[00:00] <blackflow> I know :)
[00:23] <JanC> blackflow: that's why some people insist on using different drives for a mirror/RAID (different brand, model or at least production series)
[00:24] <JanC> drives from the same production run are much more likely to die within a short time from each other
[00:24] <RoyK> I've made that failure - getting 80 WD Black drives from the same batch - a really bad one...
[00:25] <JanC> I hope they at least died while under warranty?
[00:25] <RoyK> truth to say, we didn't have time - we just ordered a new batch and returned them later
[00:25] <RoyK> some of them didn't even show smart errors
[00:26] <JanC> did they work at all?
[00:26] <RoyK> but then - there's the 'twist and shout' trick - spin up a drive, twist it  90 degrees against spinning angle and wait for it to spin up again, repeat until it dies
[00:26] <RoyK> the 'shout' part is just fun
[00:27] <RoyK> they worked, or a while
[00:27] <RoyK> some of them still work, but that's under 20%
[00:27] <JanC> SMART is only useful for detecting stuff like a degrading magnetic surface and the like
[00:28] <RoyK> this was probably mechanic
[00:28] <JanC> if the r/w heads break off, or the controller board is toast, SMART won't be useful
[00:28] <RoyK> the controller boards don't die like that for that amount of drives
[00:29] <RoyK> it was timing issues, perhaps a bad firmware
[00:29] <RoyK> something nasty
[00:29] <RoyK> so I made sure we could return some of them
[00:29] <JanC> well, in theory it's possible that the controllers die (or have bad RAM, or something like that)
[00:30] <RoyK> this was an issue of a bunch of sata drives on sas expanders that really didn't like it
[00:31] <RoyK> or the sas controllers didn't like them or whatever
[00:31] <RoyK> they didn't work well on sata either
[00:31] <JanC> oh, that's also possible, I guess
[00:31] <JanC> so much can go wrong  :)
[00:31] <RoyK> we had a tight budget, so we got some new sata drives, hitachis, worked well
[00:31] <JanC> even just a fault resistor or capacitor on the controller can make a drive useless...
[00:32] <RoyK> and then I spent some time twisting drives and returning them
[00:32] <RoyK> JanC: it wasn't that - beleive me
[00:32] <RoyK> they were fairly new and showed no issues except perhaps dying
[00:33] <JanC> I have 30yo drives which probably still work...
[00:33] <JanC> if I would try them on some old computer  :)
[00:34] <RoyK> old IDE or SCSI things?
[00:34] <RoyK> MFM?
[00:34] <JanC> old IDE
[00:34] <JanC> Quantum Bigfoot
[00:35] <RoyK> that's probably only 20YO
[00:35] <RoyK> IIRC
[00:35] <RoyK> I  remember those arriving around 1998
[00:36] <RoyK> it was amazing - 10 gigs on a drive!!!!!
[00:36] <JanC> I have some disk from the early 1990s too somewhere
[00:36] <RoyK> some 52MB disk?
[00:37]  * RoyK also remembers starting to  fiddle around with linux (slackware 2.1, kernel 1.1.59) around 1994 and found he could boost the I/O speed to the harddisk up to 1MB/s (!!!) by turning on DMA with hdparm
[00:38] <RoyK> amazing times ;)
[00:38] <JanC> this Quantum Bigfoot CY was from 1996 or so
[00:39] <RoyK> 5,25"? got a model number?
[00:39] <RoyK> iirc all the bigfoots were 5,25"
[00:39] <RoyK> although everything else by then was 3,5", but then, the bigfoots were *huge*
[00:40] <JanC> yeah, the 5.25" was what distinguished them; it allowed them to make cheaper drives with the same capacity
[00:40] <RoyK> get a time machine and show me a micro sd card of 256GB back then ;)
[00:41]  * RoyK doesn't have a DeLorian, sadly
[00:44] <JanC> that Bigfoot was 6.4 GB   :)
[00:45] <RoyK> 4k5rpm?
[00:45] <RoyK> or 3k6?
[00:45] <JanC> 3.6k
[00:45] <JanC> all Bigfoot CY were 3.6k rpm
[00:45] <RoyK> not quite an SSD, then
[00:46] <JanC> 6 MB/sec read speed  :)
[00:46] <RoyK> random iops, perhaps 50 on a good day
[00:46] <RoyK> those were the days :D
[00:46] <JanC> (and that's sequential, I assume)
[00:46] <RoyK> it was indeed
[00:47] <RoyK> probably outer rim
[00:47] <RoyK> inner rim was half the speed or less
[00:47] <JanC> :)
[00:47] <JanC> well, on floppy disks it usually was the same
[00:47] <RoyK> same rule applies to modern drives - more sectors on the outside
[00:48] <JanC> some early hard disks too maybe
[00:48] <RoyK> floppies didn't have zones
[00:48] <RoyK> neither did mfm drives
[00:48] <JanC> well, you could mess with floppies to have more data on the outside
[00:49] <JanC> if you programmed them yourself instead of using the BIOS  :)
[00:49] <RoyK> well, gotta go - it's late
[00:50] <JanC> I think that early 1990s drive I had is either at my parents or thrown away
[00:51] <JanC> but that bigfoot from the mid-1990s, I remember it still worked when I tried it about 10 years ago  :)
[01:13] <beatzz> After upgrading to Ubuntu Server 18.04 Apache2's php capabilities are messed up
[01:14] <JanC> if you want help, you probably better explain exactly what is wrong...
[03:27] <KurbuntusBain> hey
[03:27] <KurbuntusBain> i am an annoying newbie and i got dum questions
[03:28] <KurbuntusBain> do i have to instal proftp in ubuntu as a user other than 'root'? and if the anser is yes, why is that?
[04:06] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: use SFTP via SSHServer
[04:14] <KurbuntusBain> ok
[04:14] <KurbuntusBain> ill do that
[04:14] <KurbuntusBain> im getting everything setup now or at least trying to
[04:15] <KurbuntusBain> it's been a rough couple of days, i've got lemp installed and i was able to get vsftpd running now, i need to get dns and email server going what would you suggest?  I was told to use power dns and bind, i've downloaded bind aleady
[04:22] <cryptodan> I prefer keeping things simple and recommending that
[04:29] <KurbuntusBain> so i just got this new dedicated server, it's my first one, what would you say is the coolest thing i can do being new to this
[04:30] <KurbuntusBain> what was your favorite part of getting your first dedicvated server?
[04:30] <KurbuntusBain> 'dedicated'?
[04:30] <KurbuntusBain> (I got this thing just to screw around with and learn btw)
[04:33] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: getting DNS propagate
[04:34] <KurbuntusBain> lol
[04:35] <KurbuntusBain> omg, it's giving me shit just tring to instal mariadb
[04:35] <KurbuntusBain> See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[04:36] <KurbuntusBain> guess i have to install BIND first
[04:39] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: look into running tasksel
[04:40] <KurbuntusBain> Ok, cryptodan.  Ill check that out.  Now this is saying I should have TWO servers?
[04:40] <KurbuntusBain> for ns1 and ns2....for reals?
[04:40] <cryptodan> yup
[04:40] <cryptodan> preferably on separate subnets
[04:40] <KurbuntusBain> well that's expensive
[04:41] <linuxthefish> don't be silly lol
[04:41] <KurbuntusBain> im definitely silly as shit dude
[04:41] <KurbuntusBain> im like as new as trump with this stuff
[04:42] <linuxthefish> if it's just for playing around having only one nameserver is fine
[04:42] <KurbuntusBain> I have a dedicated server at psychz and a vps at vultr
[04:43] <linuxthefish> if your domain registrar requires two nameservers (ns1 and ns2), just point them to the same IP on the same server
[04:43] <linuxthefish> or use a free DNs service like cloudflare or the place you got your domain from
[04:43] <KurbuntusBain> that'll work right?  the vps is 10 bucks a month, i mean it is for experimenting but i do need to host my companies website in a month or so and eventually (six mos) I may enter email marketing and run a predictive dialer
[04:44] <linuxthefish> yes
[04:46] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: you better be on the up and up with your hosting skills or else you may end up being fired and your comapny being on several blacklists
[04:46] <KurbuntusBain> i have like 4 domains....The main thing I am really trying to accomplish is setup my company's website and have an employee portal to download documents and host a CRM
[04:46] <KurbuntusBain> I can't get fired man, I own the company, lol
[04:46] <KurbuntusBain> I am just starting out.  and I am on the up and up
[04:47] <KurbuntusBain> I am a broker in the deregulated energy market
[04:47] <KurbuntusBain> I am not a spammer
[04:47] <KurbuntusBain> it's all good no bad stuff man
[04:48] <KurbuntusBain> eveyrone is doubting me and thiunking im up to something shady it seems lol
[04:49] <KurbuntusBain> i know why ...it's because I know little and probably not saying the right words....
[04:49] <KurbuntusBain> I just prefer to do things myself rather than higher people and pay crazy rates
[04:50] <KurbuntusBain> I have 5 ip's
[04:50] <KurbuntusBain> too
[04:50] <KurbuntusBain> I just need guidance
[04:51] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain it's when you say things like "email marketing and run a predictive dialer"
[04:51] <KurbuntusBain> lol, i know
[04:52] <linuxthefish> and most people asking these questions are spammers without a budget to pay other people to set stuff up lol
[04:52] <KurbuntusBain> i completely understand, but those functionalities can be completely legitimate provided the nmbers are from opt in or dbl opt in lists
[04:52] <linuxthefish> if it's an important low traffic website just pay for some decent $5 a month hosting and be done with it
[04:52] <KurbuntusBain> and the phone numbers are scrubed to not be on the DNC
[04:53] <linuxthefish> good
[04:53] <linuxthefish> but in the long run learning how to set stuff up properly will save you a lot of time and money
[04:53] <KurbuntusBain> I am prob running ViciDialer and from what I understand that requires a dedicated
[04:54] <KurbuntusBain> plus man, i just got a dedicated for $25/month
[04:54] <KurbuntusBain> lol, it's a Atom525 but, either way, not a bad deal right?>\
[04:55] <KurbuntusBain> plus eventually i'd like to sell web design and hosting services for to small business
[04:56] <KurbuntusBain> $25/mo vs $10/mo for a shared hosting, why not just spend the extra $15 and go dedicated
[04:58] <linuxthefish> if all your call agents are in the same building, it will make more sense to run a server there locally
[04:58] <linuxthefish> for voip
[04:59] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain cPanel is the standard for selling web hosting, most clients will expect it
[05:01] <linuxthefish> but if set up properly your own web server on a VPS will be a lot better than shared hosting, and cheaper
[05:02] <linuxthefish> personally I use lighttpd and mariadb for all my sites, some larger ones but I host my DNS on Amazon Route 53
[05:05] <KurbuntusBain> that's the thing, my reps will be remote
[05:05] <KurbuntusBain> most of them at first
[05:06] <KurbuntusBain> plus, I've worked at a hosting company before that sold shared hosting and i've seen what can happen
[05:06] <linuxthefish> ah ok, yeah your way will be best then
[05:07] <KurbuntusBain> one person can bring the whole machine down
[05:07] <KurbuntusBain> it's not likeley but it could happen
[05:08] <linuxthefish> did they use cloudlinux for cpanel? it can set per user limits for CPU etc
[05:08] <KurbuntusBain> i think they used virtuozo or something?
[05:08] <KurbuntusBain> I can't remember I didn't need to know too much about the technical side
[05:08] <KurbuntusBain> just enough
[05:09] <KurbuntusBain> i've used cpanel and whm it's easy
[05:09] <linuxthefish> virtuozo is basically a VPS, so the cpanel server was running in a container
[05:09] <KurbuntusBain> on my dedicated I can't set it up as a VPS environment because it's so old huh';
[05:10] <linuxthefish> and cheaper license costs haha
[05:10] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain sure you can!
[05:10] <linuxthefish> you can make a few VPS's on your dedicated server, each with their own IP and operating system
[05:11] <linuxthefish> but for small servers it's not worth it
[05:11] <KurbuntusBain> I looked up the processor specs and saww " Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ‡
[05:11] <KurbuntusBain> No "
[05:11] <KurbuntusBain> and figured that meant to virtual privatge servesr lol
[05:12] <linuxthefish> ah, you can still run OpenVZ but not KVM
[05:13] <KurbuntusBain> I can get 300 mbs a second internet here at my house, im thinking about just running my own server here
[05:13] <linuxthefish> where did you buy your dedicated server from?
[05:13] <KurbuntusBain> i got it form psychz
[05:13] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain that's a bad idea unless it's a business connection and you have a static IP
[05:14] <KurbuntusBain> it's usually 70/mo i got a good deal i thnk
[05:14] <linuxthefish> https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml do some cheap dedicated servers also, but they only have 1 IP
[05:15] <linuxthefish> running a server at home is good for learning and messing about, but it's a bad idea for anything business related
[05:15] <linuxthefish> and with power and hardware costs you won't save much money if any at all
[05:15] <KurbuntusBain> it's got 4gb ram 500gb sata 100mpbs port 30tb/mo and 5 ips, they are going to convert it to 2 512GB SSD's next month for $20 more a monthy
[05:16] <linuxthefish> sounds perfect if you are careful with RAM
[05:16] <KurbuntusBain> I am running Windows ten on my laptop at home currently, should I convert this thing to a dual boot system  you think?
[05:17] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain don't rush head first into everything lol
[05:17] <KurbuntusBain> hahah
[05:17] <KurbuntusBain> that's always been my issue
[05:18] <linuxthefish> personally I think you should learn the terminal (command line) side of things first, and setting up a web server is the perfect way to start
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> I have  oracle vmware already so i was playing around with that
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> you are right
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> how would you sugges being careful with ram
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> because that's not upgradable on this server
[05:19] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain use lighttpd or nginx for a web server, and configure your mysel server to use less ram
[05:19] <linuxthefish> you should be fine even without changing any mysql server settings though
[05:20] <KurbuntusBain> cool im using nginx now
[05:20] <linuxthefish> perfect!
[05:20] <KurbuntusBain> im just now setting up everytihng this nameserver shit is complicatesd
[05:20] <linuxthefish> but asterisk for voip can be greedy
[05:20] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain is this nameservers for your company website?
[05:20] <KurbuntusBain> im trying to figure out how to configure the options file for bind as we speak
[05:21] <KurbuntusBain> i haven't setup the name servers yet
[05:21] <linuxthefish> I suggest using a free DNS service like cloudflare, then if your dedicated server goes down you won't lose the DNS records for all your other servers
[05:22] <KurbuntusBain> well i've already bought a few domains
[05:22] <KurbuntusBain> i got some through namecheap
[05:22] <linuxthefish> did you say you had a VPS from vultr? they have a very good free DNS service
[05:23] <KurbuntusBain> yes
[05:23] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain you can even use namecheap's DNS, but it's kinda crap
[05:24] <KurbuntusBain> my
[05:24] <linuxthefish> and in the namecheap control panel, you just set the nameservers to ns1.vultr.com and ns2.vultr.com if you are using vultr's DNS
[05:24] <KurbuntusBain> namecheap offers a premium dns supposedly ...."Enable PremiumDNS protection in order to switch your domain to our PremiumDNS platform. With our PremiumDNS platform, you get 100% DNS uptime and DDoS protection at the DNS level.
[05:24] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain don't get that, it's a waste of money and others do it for free and better
[05:25] <KurbuntusBain> I gues i did have a custom DNS setup already for klimco.group it's ns3.klimcogroup.com and ns4.klimcogroup.com
[05:25] <linuxthefish> for example vultr and cloudflare both have ddos protected DNS, and they are on anycast
[05:26] <KurbuntusBain> that's the thing that's a little confusing to me
[05:27] <KurbuntusBain> still trying to wrap my head around how dns works....
[05:27] <KurbuntusBain> supposedly I have 20mbps ddos protection on my server with psychsz
[05:28] <linuxthefish> you need to add glue records in the namecheap control panel for klimco.group
[05:31] <KurbuntusBain> gotcha, then i just point them to my ip address, so why do I need to have a DNS on my dedi?
[05:32] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain you need to set up glue records if you want to host nameserver on your dedicated server
[05:33] <linuxthefish> if you use another dns provider you don't need to set up glue records, you just set the nameservers
[05:35] <linuxthefish> it's called "personal dns server" in namecheap settings
[05:35] <KurbuntusBain> so if I use cloudfare i am not going to have to pay anything else?
[05:35] <linuxthefish> correct KurbuntusBain
[05:39] <linuxthefish> you can pay extra money for cloudflare if you want to add special rules or some other stuff, but you won't need it
[05:39] <linuxthefish> https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/
[05:43] <linuxthefish> https://i.imgur.com/eEeRW7D.png is how I have one of my test domains set up, cloudflare on the right and namecheap settings on the left
[07:42] <ShellcatZero> after upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04, it seems I cannot resolve hostnames on the local network, any ideas?
[09:02] <Skuggen> ShellcatZero: Check your /etc/resolv.conf. After installing 18.04 (I used 16.04-based Mint before), I had some trouble with it being overwritten on every boot
[10:34] <tomreyn> ShellcatZero: maybe you need to configure a search domain
[12:14] <RoyK> Skuggen: iirc it says just that in the file - do you configure the network the old way, as in the interfaces file?
[17:12] <daemon> hey all I just shot a youtube video that involved Ubuntu Server 18, I know very little about linux and it did work it jsut had a couple of weird messages: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ego4Lt_t67w the fun starts at around 8:45 with a strange message from grub, if anyone has any idea about that and the strange network config timeout about a minute later from that I would really appreciate clarrification on what it is so I can comment in my
[17:12] <daemon> videos correctly for linux installs
[17:21] <mrelcee> i have a 17.0.4 install I am trying to upgrade to 18 LTS.  i've tried 'do-release-upgrade' and it says no new versions available.  yeah I know 17.0.4 is EOL, 16 and 18 wouldn't install in my VM environment properly..    what are my options?
[17:22] <tomreyn> mrelcee: did you see what ubottu told you in #ubuntu ?
[17:22] <mrelcee> yes
[17:23] <tomreyn> and, did you try this?
[17:24] <daemon> o/ mrelcee
[17:28] <chingus> does host OS manage iptables with docker installed, or does docker manage?
[17:33] <mrelcee> tomreyn: I certainly am trying to follow it.
[17:34] <mrelcee> getting stuck at sources.list.  what is the codename i should be using, bionic?
[17:35] <tomreyn> mrelcee: the upgrade path from 17.04 to the next non EOL release (18.04 LTS) would be: 17.10 ("artful"), 18.04 LTS ("bionic").
[17:36] <mrelcee> that helps
[17:36] <tomreyn> mrelcee: i think you'll have a better result if you'll just backup and install fresh, though. (but either should work.)
[17:37] <mrelcee> fresh install with 18 results in a system i can't boot
[17:37] <tomreyn> there's no 'ubuntu 18', should i assume you're referring to ubuntu 18.04 LTS? is that 18.04.0 or 18.04.1?
[17:38] <tomreyn> how are you installing, and on what hardware? what's the actual error message when it can't boot
[17:39] <tomreyn> please also specify the architecture. is it amd64? if so, uefi or bios boot?
[17:40] <mrelcee> ye 18.0.4 LTS
[17:40] <mrelcee> yes
[17:41] <mrelcee> amd64, uefi, running under bhyve w/freebsd as the host
[17:41] <tomreyn> "ubuntu 18.0.4 LTS" does not exist either :-/
[17:42] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't know what "bhyve" is.
[17:43] <mrelcee> Please forgive my linux ignorance.   I use somethign else day in and day out.  18.4
[17:43] <mrelcee> oh excuse me. 18.04
[17:43] <mrelcee> +LTS
[17:43] <tomreyn> so is this "18.04.0 LTS" or "18.04.1 LTS"?
[17:44] <RoyK> tomreyn: lsb_release -a
[17:44] <RoyK> tomreyn: or cat /etc/os-release
[17:44] <tomreyn> RoyK: this is about a non-booting system
[17:45] <daemon> mrelcee, if your not using -l
[17:45] <RoyK> iirc lsb_release isn't that popular anymore
[17:45] <daemon> your not using UEFI mode
[17:45] <RoyK> tomreyn: then just check /etc/os-release
[17:45] <RoyK> on that system
[17:46] <RoyK> finally people have agreed on some small things across distros
[17:46] <mrelcee> ok the ISO I grabbed is ubuntu-18.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso.     I'm getting confused reading umpteen websites with umpteen versions
[17:46] <tomreyn> RoyK: i think you're meaning to address mrelcee here
[17:46] <tomreyn> mrelcee: okay, now how does the installation fail?
[17:46] <RoyK> tomreyn, sorry. mrelcee please see my comments above
[17:47] <tomreyn> mrelcee: isorry, i mean how does booting fail
[17:47] <mrelcee> the installation does not fail.  It fails to boot after.  it just boots to grub>
[17:47] <daemon> mrelcee, got teamviewer?
[17:47] <tomreyn> mrelcee: do you have multiple storages there?
[17:48] <mrelcee> just a single HD image
[17:48] <mrelcee> daemon: nope
[17:48] <daemon> mrelcee, get to the grub> prompt and type 'ls'
[17:48] <daemon> paste the resultsback if there <2 lines long
[17:49] <tomreyn> so bhye is a type 2 HV for freebsdm ok
[17:49] <tomreyn> *bhyve
[17:49] <daemon> tomreyn, if you scroll up to my question when I entered about 30 m ago
[17:49] <daemon> tomreyn, that video is ubuntu server in bhyve
[17:50] <mrelcee> daeon: I would have to reinstall 18.04.1 LTS to do this troubleshooting with you.  I currently have a working 17.04
[17:50] <daemon> mrelcee, ok dokey, well im on the freebsd virtulization mailing list if you wanna give it a try and im not around on irc ;P
[17:51] <mrelcee> curiously 16.X LTS and 18.04.1 LTS fail to boot while 17 works just fine
[17:51] <tomreyn> daemon: i'm not familiar with bhyve. a web search for "/boot/grub/x86_64-emu" returns two hits, one of which is bhyve related, both are quite old.
[17:52] <daemon> tomreyn, ahh so thatIS a bhyve problem, nice now I can ask some questions about it cheers
[17:52] <mrelcee> i'm going to back burner this to next sunday. i'm burning my sunday up on this
[17:53] <mrelcee> thanks for tryig to help
[17:53] <tomreyn> daemon: i dont *know* it's a bhyve issue, but it seems likely to me.
[17:53] <daemon> tomreyn, its something kinda odd I run quitea few vm's including gentoo, debian, arch pretty much anything you can imagine
[17:53] <daemon> and I have never seen that error before
[17:54] <daemon> I wonder if freebsd built bhyve-grub
[17:54] <daemon> is an older version and expecting it there
[17:55] <daemon> but surely gentoo would have kicked up the same warning
[17:55] <tomreyn> daemon: i'm not enough into grub to provide a more qualified response, i'm afraid. maybe come back here during the week during uk business hours if you'd like a more qualified response
[17:55] <daemon> tomreyn, any idea about the network thing about a minute after
[17:55] <daemon> thatis deffinetly in the linux setup its self
[17:57] <tomreyn> daemon: the ip address assigned to the system via dhcp is one of general electrics, that's correct?
[17:57] <daemon> tomreyn, yep
[17:58] <daemon> tomreyn, usually use the US militaries space
[17:58] <tomreyn> well you surely know what you're doing ther ;)
[17:58] <tomreyn> and this mac address is only used once?
[17:58] <daemon> yep
[17:59] <daemon> well thats a lie
[17:59] <daemon> as you can see it was assigned to the gentoo image
[17:59] <daemon> but that gentoo image is not booted when I am doing that
[17:59] <tomreyn> ok
[18:00] <daemon> all I can figure is its waiting for a SLAAC announce
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[18:00] <daemon> hehe
[18:01] <daemon> epoch or bust :)
[18:01] <tomreyn> daemon: maybe. i couldnt tell what it's doing from the output provided there. you'll have a log somewehre in /var/log post installation
[18:01] <daemon> lemme fire it up
[18:01] <tomreyn> daemon: this 'server live'  installer is still quite new, and while it's the default now, it still suffers from a few bugs
[18:01] <daemon> yeah but thats not in hte install step
[18:02] <daemon> thats it booting from the hard disk
[18:02] <tomreyn> daemon: there's an alternative installer, which is the old "debian-installer" based installer
[18:02] <RoyK> tomreyn: the fun thing about ubuntu, is that a new installer, practically a beta, is selected as the default installer for an LTS version of the OS, which intentionally, it should seem, would be stable…
[18:03] <daemon> I only picked it to help thato ther guy out earlier lol
[18:03] <tomreyn> daemon: right, i'm just guiuessing that maybe the installer didn't configure your network properly, but that's really just a wild guess.
[18:03] <daemon> net detection script is about to fail and continue booting
[18:03] <daemon> bang on 2 minutes
[18:03] <daemon> it fails over
[18:03] <tomreyn> RoyK: i'm very aware of the irony.
[18:03]  * RoyK uses debian on servers
[18:04] <daemon> ok I ahve /var/log's which file would you need
[18:04] <tomreyn> daemon: i don't rmemeber which is the exact log file. i could look it up in a VM if you can't identify it
[18:05] <daemon> grep -ri dhcp .
[18:05] <tomreyn> personally i don't *need* this file. ;)
[18:05] <daemon> shows hits on
[18:05] <daemon> ./syslog
[18:05] <daemon> ./installer/installer-journal.txt
[18:05] <daemon> ./cloud-init.log
[18:06] <daemon> its ipv6
[18:06] <daemon> its waiting for an address to be announced and neighbour discovery
[18:06] <tomreyn> it's /var/log/installer
[18:07] <tomreyn> not sure which one there exactly
[18:07] <daemon>  /var/log/installer
[18:07] <tomreyn> my limited understanding there si that subiquity is mostly the UI, curtin does the configuration stuff.
[18:07] <daemon> Sep 02 16:23:54 ubuntu-server curtin_log.1730[2087]: Running command ['sh', '-c$
[18:07] <daemon> Sep 02 16:24:30 ubuntu-server curtin_event.1730[2420]: finish: cmd-install/stag$
[18:08] <daemon> no thats not 2 minutes
[18:08] <daemon> hmm
[18:08] <tomreyn> daemon: oh that's a misunderstanding
[18:08] <daemon> ./installer-journal.txt:Sep 02 16:23:52 ubuntu-server systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2duuid-00c629d6\x2d06ab\x2d4dfd\x2db21e\x2dc3186f34105d.device: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-00c629d6\x2d06ab\x2d4dfd\x2db21e\x2dc3186f34105d.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
[18:08] <daemon> would it be that?
[18:08] <tomreyn> i'm trying to help you identify the installers' log files, to see whether something was incorrectly configured regarding networking
[18:08] <daemon> ah
[18:09] <tomreyn> daemon: the installed system boots to /var/log/syslog indeed
[18:10] <daemon> what I should do is boot it and record the exact time
[18:10] <daemon> I know it freezes two minutes
[18:10] <daemon> then I can grep the timestamp
[18:10] <tomreyn> you can also try tab completion for all of: systemctl status network
[18:10] <tomreyn> so hit double tab after typing 'network'
[18:11] <tomreyn> one of those should report an error, and if it does, it should explain how to get more logs
[18:11] <daemon> 19:11:07
[18:11] <daemon> ok lets try both :)
[18:11] <daemon> love a good mystery
[18:11] <tomreyn> you can also correclate to "dmesg -T" output
[18:12] <daemon> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkvwG6Qrk79x3EBwIhboTO6Iejoc
[18:12] <daemon> the intersting bit is
[18:12] <daemon> looking atthe messages above it
[18:12] <daemon> it reached everything it needed to
[18:14] <tomreyn> actually on your video it says how to get more information on the failed systemd target
[18:15] <tomreyn> systemctl status systemd-networkd-wait-online.service
[18:15] <daemon> See 'systemctl status systemd-networkd-wait-online.service' for details.
[18:15] <daemon>          Starting Initial cloud-init job (metadata service crawler)...
[18:15] <daemon> yep lets take a peek
[18:15] <daemon> oddly that is the EXACT service I just found a 2 minute wait in
[18:15] <daemon> looking for datasources
[18:16] <tomreyn> "systemd-analyze blame" and "systemd analyze critical-chain" would probably confirm this, too.
[18:16] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how much you're into systemd
[18:17] <daemon> never used it before
[18:17] <daemon> I have quite a few production systems but there all: FreeBSD, Slackware, Gentoo or Windows-Server
[18:17] <tomreyn> it inits services in paralellel, wherever possible
[18:17] <daemon> well skip thatthe gentoo are more for fun
[18:19] <tomreyn> also i'd do a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" to be sure you got the latest updates installed. maybe that'll help fix the issue.
[18:19] <daemon> https://paste.ee/p/42kGD
[18:21] <tomreyn> so the root cause seems to be "systemd-networkd-wait-online[688]: Event loop failed: Connection timed out" - whatever that means
[18:21] <daemon> updating did not help either issue
[18:21] <daemon> seems so odd
[18:22] <tomreyn> there are plenty of related bug reports, if you do a web search for it (omitting the pid in squre brackets, obviously)
[18:22] <daemon> yeah
[18:22] <daemon> its doing something itsexpecting a response to
[18:22] <daemon> but its not getting
[18:22] <daemon> perhaps some broadcast announce
[18:22] <tomreyn> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=869995 this would match what you suggested might be the issue
[18:23] <daemon> I should drop a rta-dvd daemon on thatvirtual network
[18:23] <daemon> see if giving it ipv6 does anything
[18:25] <daemon> can I disable this cloud thing
[18:25] <daemon> cloud-init
[18:26] <daemon> meh anyhow :) its sunday so time to actually commit the work I was meant to commit last monday
[18:26] <daemon> thanks for the help guys!
[18:27] <tomreyn> the above bug should already be fixed in the ubuntu 18.04.1 systemd version, so it'ds going to be something else.
[18:27] <tomreyn> welcome, daemon
[21:28] <uplime> hello all! I just installed ubuntu-18.04 server as a vm on my laptop, with 2 network interfaces defined: a bridged interface and a host only adapter. i can talk to the vm over the host-only interface just fine, but the primary bridged interface, which is setup to use DHCP, doesn't want to pass any traffic. Any way to fix that?