[01:00] <bonhoeffer> i’m caught in a dependency chicken or egg problem: https://gist.github.com/tbbooher/95d9ff23ce1fa771b4584198cbb2a87a
[01:00] <bonhoeffer> i purged python 3.6 but still doesn’t help
[01:02] <bonhoeffer> at a loss
[01:06] <bonhoeffer> sudo apt-get install python3.6-minimal <— fails on the dependency of python 3.6
[01:07] <bonhoeffer> thinking my only option is to build from source. i’ve tried multiple path and home names
[01:42] <madLyfe> hey tomreyn, i did a sha256sum of two dirs, src and tgt, and now i need to compare each sums output file. how would one do that?
[01:43] <madLyfe> i did `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sha256sum > ~/sha256sums`
[01:44] <pi0> libhunspell-1.4-0
[01:45] <pi0> how do i get this packaged installed on 18.04
[01:45] <pi0> says unable to locate
[01:48] <Bashing-om> !info libhunspell-1.6-0 | pi0
[01:50] <pi0> hmm
[01:50] <pi0> Bashing-om: do i need to change the version
[01:51] <Bashing-om> pi0: Yes, else you will break the system .
[01:52] <pi0> oh understood
[01:59] <pi0> shoot i installed a deb and it ws expecting an older lib
[02:16] <lotuspsychje> wich packagename has that worspaces switcher on 16.04 again?
[03:13] <awc737> If i a network bridge, br0, with a /29 subnet (5 ip), should I immediately be able to ping the additional 4 ip's from external network?
[03:13] <StupidDanbo> how do I install the previous version of Wine? the latest version broke my game.
[03:13] <StupidDanbo> I'm using this command: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic
[03:14] <StupidDanbo> and I get E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[03:14] <StupidDanbo> it didn't fix it to run sudo apt autoremove
[03:14] <StupidDanbo> I don't know what I'm doing.
[03:15] <awc737> because I can't ping the other addresses in the subnet... granted the additional IPs aren't assigned to anything but the bridge is working
[03:17] <Ben64> awc737: might want to ask in ##networking
[03:17] <Lontinue> how ubuntu18.04 can use SSR client ?
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> !latest | StupidDanbo
[03:21] <StupidDanbo> !backports | StupidDanbo
[03:22] <StupidDanbo> it's not that old. it's not a previous version of the OS.
[03:23] <StupidDanbo> well I have no idea how this helps.
[03:25] <Ben64> don't use winehq-staging if you wanted stable
[03:26] <StupidDanbo> I don't think the non-staging one works for my game
[03:26] <StupidDanbo> I just need what works
[03:27] <Ben64> i've been using wine for around 10 years, i've never seen something that works stop working after an update
[03:27] <Ben64> i'd suggest heading to #winehq and describing the issue there
[03:27] <xar-> this channel never ceases to amaze me, 2018, and there are still wine users lol
[03:27] <StupidDanbo> Stable: Wine 3.0.2 pretty sure that's way too old.
[03:27] <Ben64> steam using wine to make more games playable in linux
[03:28] <StupidDanbo> I am, but #winehq is kinda slow, so no replies yet.
[03:28] <Ben64> well that's the place for wine support
[03:28] <StupidDanbo> yeah but a more general question of how to install an older version of software would seem perfectly fine here.
[03:29] <StupidDanbo> I don't need Wine support, I need to know how to install a previous version.
[03:29] <StupidDanbo> and it's not working
[03:29] <Ben64> you're not even getting it from the ubuntu repositories though, so not on topic here
[03:30] <StupidDanbo> but I don't even know if I'm doing the right command. that's not a Wine-specific command.
[03:31] <StupidDanbo> searching for how to install older versions of Wine got me terrible results. I had to search for sudo apt-get install older version
[03:31] <StupidDanbo> I dunno
[03:31] <StupidDanbo> I'm retarded. nothing I do ever works. It takes me so long to do the simplest of things.
[03:31] <StupidDanbo> It's been an hour so far trying to do this.
[03:32] <StupidDanbo> just attempting to reverse the update that totally screwed me over.
[03:32] <Ben64> you should be looking how to make it work on the new version
[03:33] <StupidDanbo> I have no idea how to do that. It just doesn't launch. The error window never finishes loading details.
[03:33] <StupidDanbo> and of course support for specific games in Wine is really slow, so there's no mentions of problems with it yet.
[03:34] <StupidDanbo> I play this game all day every day. I can't just NOT play it for a week or two waiting for some comment on winehq's website.
[03:34] <StupidDanbo> I shouldn't be on Linux
[03:35] <Ben64> what game
[03:35] <StupidDanbo> World of Warcraft
[03:35] <Ben64> ha
[03:35] <StupidDanbo> and I suck at it
[03:35] <xar-> it told you the problem, broken package, fix that first so apt doesn't fall over
[03:35] <strive> WoW! :)
[03:36] <strive> StupidDanbo: Dualboot Windows/Linux and only use Windows for "gaming hour" and switch back.
[03:36] <StupidDanbo> I don't see where you said that. I've been trying to fix that but found no solution.
[03:37] <Ben64> there's gotta be something else going on, wow definitely still works in wine
[03:37] <strive> It does.
[03:37] <xar-> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[03:37] <StupidDanbo> in Wine 3.15?
[03:38] <StupidDanbo> this did not fix it: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[03:38] <xar-> it's data gathering, it's not meant to "fix" it
[03:39] <StupidDanbo> The following packages have unmet dependencies: winehq-staging : Depends: wine-staging (= 3.14.0~bionic)
[03:40] <xar-> and do you have wine-staging?
[03:40] <StupidDanbo> I need to install Windows first... which means I need to wipe Linux, which means I need to backup my files, which means I need to buy another HD.
[03:41] <StupidDanbo> isn't installing wine-staging without a version number just going to install 3.15?
[03:41] <Bashing-om> !info wine-staging | StupidDanbo
[03:43] <xar-> assuming the package exists in whatever repo you have setup, specify the version you want with the =<version>
[03:44] <StupidDanbo> I searched for [sudo apt-get install older version] and found apt-cache showpkg <package-name> lists all available versions.
[03:45] <StupidDanbo> so as a result I'm running: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic
[03:46] <StupidDanbo> oh... what a surprise. without a version number, it installs the latest version, 3.15. without any problems. but when I tell it to install 3.14 it fails.
[03:46] <xar-> I just added the repo and checked on my machine, plenty of packages to choose from: http://dpaste.com/236PJW7
[03:49] <xar-> StupidDanbo: what's the command you're using, and use a paste service
[03:49] <StupidDanbo> a paste service for a command?
[03:50] <StupidDanbo> oh, you mean the results?
[03:51] <StupidDanbo> https://pastebin.com/aQmzKdcX
[03:52] <StupidDanbo> I should have stopped. maybe there could have been a way to undo the update, but I uninstalled Wine before trying to install the older version manually.
[03:53] <xar-> StupidDanbo: dpkg -l '*wine*'
[03:56] <StupidDanbo> xar-, https://pastebin.com/cF7xXiKL I installed 3.15.
[03:56] <StupidDanbo> my computer needs to restart?
[03:57] <StupidDanbo> I don't remember that being there.
[03:57] <StupidDanbo> brb\
[03:57] <xar-> you don't need to restart, but you probably should remove the installed packages
[04:01] <StupidDanbo> of course restarting didn't magically make the new Wine version work. T_T
[04:02] <xar-> why would it?
[04:03] <StupidDanbo> I don't know. because it wasn't completely finished? this stuff is all magic.
[04:03] <xar-> if you truly desire an older package, remove the existing installed packages, anything with an "ii" in that list you provided
[04:05] <StupidDanbo> I don't get it. do I remove wine-staging completely or do I need to remove something else?
[04:05] <StupidDanbo> there's no "ii" in the results of dpkg -l '*wine*'
[04:05] <StupidDanbo> oh... on the left hand column
[04:06] <xar-> you said you don't want 3.15, so remove everything relating to wine, yes
[04:06] <StupidDanbo> that's what I did before. I uninstalled wine, and tried to install 3.14, and it gave me the results of that 1st pastebin.
[04:06] <xar-> not sure why you're fighting me on this, can you just do it?
[04:07] <StupidDanbo> how do I do that?
[04:07] <xar-> apt-get remove <package name>
[04:08] <xar-> confirm your progress by running another dpkg -l until it's all clear, then I recommend installing aptitude (apt-get install aptitude) which I find to be more resilient in situations like this
[04:09] <xar-> then you'll do something approximating this: aptitude install winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-amd64=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-i386=3.14.0~bionic
[04:09] <StupidDanbo> huh... that wine-staging-a and wine-staging-i are still installed after removing wine-staging
[04:10] <xar-> because your terminal is too small, the package names are wine-staging-a
[04:10] <xar-> because your terminal is too small, the package names are wine-staging-amd64 and wine-staging-i386
[04:10] <xar-> apt-get remove wine-staging-amd64 wine-staging-i386
[04:11] <StupidDanbo> there we go
[04:11] <xar-> ok so you see my recommendation on aptitude, do that next
[04:11] <StupidDanbo> oh right
[04:12] <xar-> the aptitude install will moan and complain, but it should offer the ability to proceed regardless and resolve dependencies
[04:15] <xar-> once the install completes, rerun dpkg -l, you should see the version you wanted
[04:16] <StupidDanbo> wow you're not kidding. do I need to tell it to try harder for every single time above it says "but it is not going to be installed"? it looks like there's dozens of them.
[04:16] <StupidDanbo> I hope it's not just stumbling on the same spot.
[04:16] <xar-> just mash the "Y" key, see how far you get
[04:17] <StupidDanbo> ok, thanks. I just couldn't tell what it was doing.
[04:17] <xar-> obligatory disclaimer: I know nothing about Wine, I know nothing about this third-party, non-standard repo, I can't be held liable for your box crapping itself or getting hacked
[04:18] <StupidDanbo> yeah, no problem
[04:28] <xar-> StupidDanbo: so?
[04:28] <StupidDanbo> it's still going
[04:35] <StupidDanbo> ~70 lines said "but it is not going to be installed". I dunno how many times I've hit yes so far.
[04:35] <StupidDanbo> I'm probably not even half done so far
[04:41] <xar-> I ran the same command on xenial just now, 160 packages, only prompted me twice to continue, odd
[04:46] <StupidDanbo> well my whole system ground to a halt and after a few minutes I had to hit the reset button.
[04:48] <StupidDanbo> xar-, my system froze and I had to restart.
[04:52] <StupidDanbo> do I just try again?
[04:56] <easyOnMe> hello everyone
[04:56] <easyOnMe> I just recently upgraded to Ubuntu 18.04 from 16.04
[04:56] <easyOnMe> I just completed the upgrade
[04:56] <easyOnMe> I was just a bit surprised the screen's orientation changes each time I rotate my laptop
[04:56] <easyOnMe> Is there anything I can do to lock the screen of the laptop to its normal position
[05:01] <srto> easyOnMe, are you on gnome? there should be a orientation lock in the battery status/wifi/etc dropdown in the upper right corner of your screen.
[05:02] <srto> or search for "orientation" in the gnome dash works for me too
[05:03] <easyOnMe> ok thanks
[05:18] <StupidDanbo> oh crap I think I see why my PC froze the other time. my memory usage is maxed out and my swap is at 50%. why???
[05:19] <StupidDanbo> just from running aptitude install winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-amd64=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-i386=3.14.0~bionic
[05:19] <StupidDanbo> xar-, why is my memory usage maxed out by running that?
[05:20] <StupidDanbo> I can't even see what's using it all. there's nothing in the task manager using it, but it's showing it all being used.
[05:21] <StupidDanbo> like I sort by RSS and nothing's using it. hexchat is using 53mb and mousepad 34mb and there's no huge list of small things or anything.
[05:22] <Triffid_Hunter> StupidDanbo: check top or htop
[05:23] <ryuo> StupidDanbo: some ram remains used by caches, but these are reclaimed if necessary.
[05:23] <ryuo> StupidDanbo: run free for a better understanding of current usage of overall RAM.
[05:23] <StupidDanbo> what do I do? I need to fix my game but running that aptitute install command was my only hope.
[05:24] <StupidDanbo> and it maxes out my ram and crashes my system
[05:24] <ryuo> StupidDanbo: how much ram do you have?
[05:24] <StupidDanbo> ryuo, I don't know how to check.
[05:24] <StupidDanbo> and I don't remember
[05:24] <cim209> StupidDanbo, open system monitor
[05:24] <cim209> then click system tab
[05:24] <StupidDanbo> I have a task manager. but it doesn't say what the total is
[05:25] <ryuo> I would be concerned if you have less than 4G...
[05:25] <ryuo> Hm.
[05:25] <cim209> StupidDanbo, https://i.imgur.com/Si61OBm.png
[05:26] <StupidDanbo> free -m reports I have 16056 total
[05:26] <StupidDanbo> no units shown
[05:26] <cim209> 16gb is good
[05:27] <StupidDanbo> well my graph just shot up while I was running that command.
[05:27] <ryuo> ... how can you be running out of RAM? o.O
[05:27] <ryuo> that's rather high.
[05:27] <ryuo> huh.
[05:28] <StupidDanbo> I was just running this command and hitting Yes over and over again for all ~70 {I'm guessing that amount} entries, which I've never finished. last time it crashed. this time I closed it before it could when I noticed my memory maxed out.
[05:28] <StupidDanbo> aptitude install winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-amd64=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-i386=3.14.0~bionic
[05:28] <ryuo> here's a thought... have you had your RAM tested?
[05:29] <StupidDanbo> I just want my game to work again. are you sure that's necessary?
[05:29] <ryuo> No idea, but then i've had so many strange issues over the years.
[05:29] <StupidDanbo> I broke my game over 3 hours ago and I've been working on it ever since then.
[05:29] <ryuo> I see.
[05:29] <ryuo> So then perhaps not.
[05:29] <luckywho> amixer settings as non-root user?
[05:31] <StupidDanbo> would that really indicate my RAM is bad?
[05:31] <StupidDanbo> I just need to get this working.
[05:31] <StupidDanbo> I'm a pathetic subhuman that needs to get back to his useless stupid game.
[05:31] <ryuo> No idea, but system crashes aren't always software issues
[05:32] <ryuo> Or various other glitches.
[05:32] <ryuo> I've had issues that only a BIOS update could fix.
[05:32] <StupidDanbo> can I run this command in separate parts instead of all at once? aptitude install winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-amd64=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-i386=3.14.0~bionic
[05:33] <ryuo> why are you running it with aptitude?
[05:33] <StupidDanbo> because it won't install normally.
[05:33] <ryuo> I see.
[05:33] <ryuo> I'm not a wine expert, but what game is it?
[05:33] <StupidDanbo> World of Warcraft
[05:34] <StupidDanbo> I was searching for things like how to install older versions, relative to the methods the wine website said to install.
[05:34] <StupidDanbo> so wine's website said to run: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-staging
[05:35] <ryuo> I don't know much about it, but i've used playonlinux.
[05:35] <ryuo> https://www.playonlinux.com/en/supported_apps-1-0.html
[05:35] <StupidDanbo> so I searched [apt-get install older version] or something
[05:35] <ryuo> It mentions your game, but no idea if it works.
[05:35] <StupidDanbo> the game ran fine before the update.
[05:36] <StupidDanbo> I tried to get playonlinux to work before and I think it was a headache. I dunno.
[05:36] <StupidDanbo> I don't know if that would really help. especially since I'm running WoW off my SSD and I'm not sure how I would do that for PlayOnLinux
[05:37] <StupidDanbo> so I found instructions for installing older versions: sudo apt-get install <package-name>=<package-version-number>
[05:37] <ryuo> you could try removing wine and reinstalling.
[05:37] <ryuo> with a specific version.
[05:37] <StupidDanbo> reinstalling will just give me the latest version. {no, it doesn't work}
[05:37] <ryuo> Oh.
[05:38] <StupidDanbo> I'm trying to install a specific version. it's failing.
[05:38] <ryuo> well, i don't normally need to revert packges so, no wonder...
[05:38] <StupidDanbo> so I tried: sudo apt-get install winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic
[05:39] <StupidDanbo> and I got an error, which is why someone told me to use aptitude.
[05:39] <StupidDanbo> I got: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[05:39] <StupidDanbo> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[05:39] <StupidDanbo> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[05:39] <StupidDanbo> or been moved out of Incoming.
[05:39] <ryuo> Does the regular Ubuntu wine not work for you?
[05:40] <ryuo> Those tend to stay version locked.
[05:40] <ryuo> Only seldomly upgraded.
[05:40] <StupidDanbo> "regular Ubuntu wine"? it recently updated to 3.15 and broke. yesterday it was working fine.
[05:40] <StupidDanbo> I'm pretty sure it was 3.14 yesterday.
[05:40] <StupidDanbo> The following packages have unmet dependencies: winehq-staging : Depends: wine-staging (= 3.14.0~bionic) E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[05:41] <ryuo> These
[05:41] <ryuo> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/wine-stable
[05:41] <ryuo> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/wine-development
[05:41] <StupidDanbo> when I try to run my game launcher in 3.15 it just has some critical failure or whatever window, and refuses to load the details.
[05:42] <ryuo> Not the packages from Wine HQ.
[05:42] <ryuo> The official distribution versions.
[05:42] <StupidDanbo> yes. stable is too old. staging/devel are 3.15 and won't work. unless somehow devel is different from staging. I'm not sure.
[05:42] <StupidDanbo> official?
[05:42] <ryuo> WineHQ's are not official ubuntu packages.
[05:42] <ryuo> They're a 3rd party source.
[05:43] <ryuo> Like PPAs.
[05:44] <ryuo> I don't know, but you may have to ask the wine people about it, since they maintain these builds.
[05:44] <StupidDanbo> .... Package: wine-development (3.6-1) that sounds pretty old. doesn't sound good.
[05:45] <StupidDanbo> I remember something like 3 weeks I spent trying to get my computer's software running. god that was hell. I wonder how long I'll be stuck in this hell.
[05:46] <ryuo> https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/pool/main/
[05:46] <ryuo> Hm.
[05:46] <ryuo> I suppose you could try removing wine and then installing these deb files directly.
[05:46] <ryuo> Though, i'm not an expert on something like this.
[05:47] <ryuo> StupidDanbo: for future reference, you can use /etc/apt/preferences.d to pin wine so it won't upgrade.
[05:48] <ryuo> that can be useful if your system is that delicate.
[05:48] <StupidDanbo> I manually updated. I just... god, I wish I never had to update.
[05:48] <ryuo> StupidDanbo: if you pin the packages, you can do regular system upgrades and it'll ignore these packages.
[05:48] <StupidDanbo> but WoW updates, so unlike a single player game, I can't just rely on it working forever
[05:48] <ryuo> Oh.
[05:49] <ryuo> StupidDanbo: that's how it is for many online games.
[05:49] <StupidDanbo> it's fine for this version, if I can get the old one working. if.
[05:49] <ryuo> StupidDanbo: either way, i'm out of ideas. I just thought i'd show you where to download the deb files from if you wanted to try something else using dpkg.
[05:50] <StupidDanbo> why does the official thing only have developing and stable but not staging?
[05:51] <ryuo> No idea. Ask Debian upstream. Ubuntu only inherits from them.
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> StupidDanbo: we advice not to mess with different package versions
[05:51] <StupidDanbo> I NEED MY GAME TO WORK
[05:52] <StupidDanbo> I DON'T CARE HOW
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> StupidDanbo: to keep your system sane, install 'only' the packages meant specificly for your ubuntu version to avoid dependencie nightmares
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> StupidDanbo: please tone down
[05:52] <StupidDanbo> IT WAS WORKING FINE YESTERDAY
[05:56] <StupidDanbo> is there a way to run this command in separate parts? aptitude install winehq-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-amd64=3.14.0~bionic wine-staging-i386=3.14.0~bionic
[06:00] <StupidDanbo> I don't think this is doing anything.
[06:01] <StupidDanbo> why is it not doing anything?
[06:01] <StupidDanbo> maybe I need to start at the end instead of the start.
[06:01] <StupidDanbo> ok now it's doing something
[06:02] <StupidDanbo> all this to play a game that I hate.
[06:03] <StupidDanbo> strange how smoothly it's going when I break up that command into separate lines.
[06:03] <StupidDanbo> no dozens of prompts to force it
[06:05] <StupidDanbo> ... this is ridiculous. a minute ago I'm crying and now suddenly it's all fixed. and I just guessed at how what to do and how.
[06:18] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me im using a laptop and every once in a while when i listen to the music it skips meaning that my audio is choppy can anybody help me?
[06:20] <gt8ost4l> Bashing-om: have you ever had somene with this problem?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> gt8ost4l: did you try different players?
[06:21] <gt8ost4l> lotuspsychje: its the ausio so everything is effected!
[06:22] <gt8ost4l> audo*
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> gt8ost4l: open a tail -f/var/log/syslog while you play around with your sound, perhaps we can catch errors
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol | gt8ost4l try this to compare with
[06:23] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: Nope . Audio troubleshooting is not in my experience range .
[06:23] <ryuo> in the past i've observed poor audio playback to be related to the size of the audio buffer, but that wasn't with digital music files.
[06:23] <ryuo> it was with emulator.s
[06:25] <gt8ost4l> lotuspsychje: in english?
[06:26] <Triffid_Hunter> gt8ost4l: ah my girlfriend's computer has this issue.. on my computers I solve it by removing pulse and just using alsa, but ubuntu and derivatives won't let me do that.. on hers I had to add some secret option to kernel commandline to shrink the soundcard driver's audio buffer size
[06:26] <ryuo> Ah.
[06:26] <ryuo> if the buffer is too small or too big you can get audio oddities. makes sense.
[06:27] <ryuo> I once had to disable dmix on a really slow device to get good audio playback.
[06:28] <gt8ost4l> ryuo: you mean here /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[06:28] <Triffid_Hunter> ryuo: must have been really slow, I used to play mp3s over network on a cyrix 6x86, and it would only get choppy while I was changing the volume
[06:29] <ryuo> Triffid_Hunter: it was a Marvell Dreamplug. It's ARM, so it was slow.
[06:29] <ryuo> it crackled before I disabled dmix.
[06:29] <ryuo> Too bad that only Debian still supports it.
[06:51] <nighty-> Ok recently I noticed that my Ubuntu 18.04 machine loose DNS resolution capabilities on a regular basis
[06:51] <nighty-> until I toggle my ethernet card off and on again
[06:51] <nighty-> How can I fix this ? any idea ?
[06:51] <nighty-> My machine worked flawlessly for age until then
[06:52] <TvL2386> I'd tcpdump to see what's going on while it's not working
[06:53] <tarzeau> check /etc/resolv.conf ?
[06:53] <TvL2386> while DNS is not working, can you still ping ip addresses on the internet like 8.8.8.8
[06:53] <nighty-> my /etc/resolv.conf looks ok
[06:53] <TvL2386> that too tarzeau, but likely it just says "nameserver 127.0.0.53"
[06:54] <nighty-> pointing to 127.0.0.53 as it should
[06:54] <TvL2386> ha :)
[06:54] <nevermind> heh
[06:54] <nighty-> 127.0.0.53 is the systemd-resolved stub resolver.
[06:55] <tarzeau> nighty-: not everyone wants it like that. so it shouldn't always say that
[06:55] <nighty-> ok
[06:55] <nighty-> frankly I hate systemd
[06:55] <TvL2386> so nighty- can you answer my question?
[06:55] <TvL2386> trying to help you
[06:55] <nighty-> and I would rather have a good old resolver
[06:55] <nighty-> anything but freakin' resolved
[06:56] <nighty-> TvL2386, which question was that ?
[06:56] <TvL2386> 04 08:53:22 < TvL2386> while DNS is not working, can you still ping ip addresses on the internet like 8.8.8.8
[06:56] <nighty-> TvL2386, tcpdump ?
[06:57] <nighty-> Ah can I still ping 8.8.8.8
[06:57] <nighty-> I do not know
[06:57] <nighty-> I am not using external DNS
[06:57] <nighty-> I have my own
[06:57] <nevermind> pinging an ip doesn't use dns
[06:57] <enzotib> tcpdump is a user on this channel, and get highlighted every time you refer to him
[06:57] <enzotib> :)
[06:58] <nighty-> nevermind, it does if you do not specify -n
[06:58] <TvL2386> what I'm trying to find out guys, is whether his internet is dead or DNS dead
[06:58] <nevermind> Fine, so specify -n and find out
[06:58] <nighty-> TvL2386, net is fine
[06:58] <nighty-> I am talking to you over it
[06:59] <nevermind> Ae you using Network Manager
[07:00] <TvL2386> ok: So your questions is: "I have my own DNS recursor which suddenly doesn't work anymore and if I disable/enable my NIC it's resolved again"
[07:00] <nighty-> yes on this machine I am
[07:00] <TvL2386> then I'd still tcpdump to see the normal behaviour and the failing behaviour
[07:01] <nighty-> I have got plenty other machines not running Ubuntu
[07:01] <nevermind> https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu
[07:01] <nighty-> who can still resolve fine using that DNS
[07:01] <nighty-> while the ubuntu can not
[07:01] <nighty-> my other machines are running OpenBSD NetBSD FreeBSD
[07:01] <TvL2386> `sudo tcpdump -i eth0 -nn port 53`
[07:02] <nighty-> and other machines running Ubuntu
[07:02] <TvL2386> -_-
[07:02] <nighty-> same version
[07:02] <TvL2386> nm
[07:02] <TvL2386> i'm gone
[07:02] <nighty-> who do not seen to have that problem
[07:03] <dbugger> Good morning
[07:03] <dbugger> Does anybody know if there is a way to make the transition between workspaces smoother? I have a dual system, windows and ubuntu, and in Windows changing workspaces makes a really smooth transition, but in Ubuntu it does now. Dont get me wrong, it changes without a problem, but it is not as smooth as it could be, and I was wondering if i am missing something.
[07:03] <dbugger> I already have installed the propietary drivers (Do i need to restart?)
[07:04] <nighty-> TvL2386, at the moment everything is resolving fine ( looking at the tcpdump )
[07:04] <nighty-> oh well I'll look for the solution myself
[07:04] <Ben64> dbugger: after installing gpu drivers yes you do need to reboot
[07:05] <nighty-> I just thought people here would instantly know what it was because seen before
[07:05] <nighty-> no biggy
[07:05] <nighty-> thanks guys anyway
[07:05] <nevermind> nighty-: https://blobfolio.com/2017/05/fix-linux-dns-issues-caused-by-systemd-resolved/
[07:05] <dbugger> Ben64, thanks, i will do so
[07:05] <nevermind> nighty-, see the note at the bottom for ubuntu
[07:06] <nighty-> dnssec-trigger ?
[07:06] <nighty-> I have not tried that
[07:06] <TvL2386> nighty-: I'm not here for a laid back conversation... I'm occassionally checking here to see if I can help ppl... And "looking for the solution yourself" is step 1. Step 2 is asking for help... You're wasting my time if you have not even looked for a solution yet...
[07:07] <nighty-> TvL2386, dude chill
[07:07] <nighty-> TvL2386, I am not saying you did not help
[07:07] <nighty-> TvL2386, reread what I wrote
[07:46] <ben__> hello, I've question, how to restrict folder on ubuntu so only added group that's allowed to access and show the file. Thanks
[07:47] <ryuo> ben__: you can change the owner, group, and permissions to limit access to a folder and its contents.
[07:47] <ben__> ryuo: Ok. I'm the owner, but I want my folder be accessed by www-data ony
[07:48] <Ben64> ben__: http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_lts0090.php
[07:48] <ryuo> ben__: no access for the owner?
[07:48] <Ben64> you have owner and group to play with, use that site to figure out the way you want to do it
[07:48] <ben__> ryuo: I've, I just don't want other user could read it
[07:49] <ryuo> Ok... you probably want to use chgrp and chmod.
[07:49] <ryuo> chmod 0770 <folder>
[07:49] <ryuo> chgrp www-data <folder>
[07:50] <ryuo> ben__: but for future reference, you should learn how to use these yourself.
[07:53] <ben__> ryuo: thanks, I read link that Ben64 shared. :)
[08:15] <lotus|NUC> hows the package called on 16.04 to switch workspaces?
[08:27] <leonardus> How do I go from 18.04 to 18.04.1
[08:27] <lotus|NUC> leonardus: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:28] <leonardus> Thanks
[09:30] <leonardus> How do I set a reminder?
[09:34] <tomreyn> leonardus: install some application which can handle reminders, or setup an at or cron job triggering an on-screen notification (involves some scripting).
[09:34] <leonardus> tomreyn: any recommendations for applications?
[09:35] <tomreyn> what do you use for managing e-mail currently?
[09:35] <leonardus> Just gmail web.
[09:36] <tomreyn> google calendar is somewhat integrated with gmail and can be used to set reminders.
[09:37] <tomreyn> if you'd prefer to do it locally, (optionally) not storing (sharing) the data in the cloud, you could use lightning
[09:40] <blackflow> tomreyn: Roundcube
[09:40] <tomreyn> blackflow: requires a server installation, i guess?
[09:40] <blackflow> tomreyn: oh hahaha... sorry, totally misread both your q and the chan :)
[09:41] <blackflow> tomreyn: yeah. I thought this was -discuss and you asked in general.   need moar coffee....
[09:41] <tomreyn> leonardus is asking ;)
[09:41] <AtuM> leonardus, you might want to try out kubuntu, if you're more of a windows person. there you have KAlarm which is nicely integrated into desktop
[09:42] <tomreyn> leonardus: ig uess the gnome tooling for calendaring is "evolution", providing integration into the gnome shell
[09:43] <blackflow> yeah I use android devices for that, and with that,  gmail email client (even for non-gmail addresses) and calendar.
[09:43] <blackflow> those could be used on any device via the web, afaik.
[09:43] <AtuM> tomreyn, that's a good option aswell
[09:44] <AtuM> leonardus, it's not a straight answer.. there are lots of options on linux based systems.
[09:45] <tomreyn> https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/California
[09:45] <tomreyn> This is a new calendar application for Gnome 3
[09:45] <tomreyn> so this can be a good choice for 18.04
[09:47] <tomreyn> hmm not packaged for ubuntu, though, weird
[09:47] <AtuM> tomreyn, that's all well and good.. but the version is 0.4.0 ..
[09:47] <tomreyn> well, if it works...
[09:50] <tomreyn> https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Calendar is part of 18.04
[09:50] <AtuM> true.. many programs never make it to 1.x, yet they work fine
[09:52] <tomreyn> so for s stand-alone calendar app on ubuntu 18.04, gnome calendar looks like a good choice. it provides all the basic features.
[09:54] <Taggnostr> hello
[09:55] <tomreyn> (optionally recurring) reminders, desktop integration (calendar events also show on the mini calendar when you click on the clock), synchronization against nextcloud, google, ms exchange.
[09:56] <Taggnostr> I have a machine that has 3 disks: 1 120GB ssd (partitioned in 20 for / and 100 for /home), and other 2 hdd under LVM with a number of partitions.  I want to reinstall the os on the 20GB / partition, leaving everything else as is, and I'm currently at this screen on the installer: http://linuxbsdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/kubuntu-installer-2-700x456.png
[09:57] <Taggnostr> do I have to specify again the mount points for all the partitions? if I select one and click on "change" it defaults to "do not use this partition"
[09:59] <tomreyn> !15.10 | Taggnostr
[09:59] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, I'm installing 18.04, that's just a screenshot I found on google images, the partitioning tool looks the same
[10:00] <tomreyn> ok, it's always good to know the ubuntu version you're inquiring about. ;)
[10:00] <Taggnostr> yes, I should have specified it -- it's 18.04
[10:01] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: those partitions that should be mounted automatically on the new system, or will be needed for the new system to work, must be selected again.
[10:01] <tomreyn> make sure to select to format only those you mean to replace entirely (ov3erwriting old data).
[10:02] <tomreyn> do you do uefi booting / do you have an "efi" or "esp" partition?
[10:03] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: ^
[10:03] <Taggnostr> so is it correct that I should select them all one by one, click on change, and instead of "do not use this partition" I select the same filesystem they already use (ext4), then specify the mount point (the lvm ones are all under /home/myuser/*), and leave "format partition" unchecked?
[10:03] <Taggnostr> let me check
[10:04] <tomreyn> yes, unless oyu prefer to manually configure those post installation.
[10:04] <Taggnostr> how do I see if I have an efi or esp partition?  I don't think I see them in the list
[10:04] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how well it will work to re-use lvm partitions, but give it a try as to whether it will list your existing LVs
[10:06] <Taggnostr> in that screen I have a few /dev/mapper/* partitions (the lvm ones), sda and sdb (the two hdd used by lvm), and sdc (the ssd)
[10:06] <tomreyn> efi/esp: on the screenshot you posted, a partition of type 'efi' is listed. if you don't have one like this you are probably using a classic MBR partition table (with primary + extended partitions)..
[10:07] <Taggnostr> under the "type" column I only have ext4, and one swap
[10:07] <Taggnostr> no efi or esp partitions
[10:07] <tomreyn> the /dev/mapper/* partitions are probably your LVs. maybe post a screenshot to imgur.com or a similar site.
[10:07] <Taggnostr> let me try
[10:08] <MacroMan> After performing an "apt dist-upgrade", I can no longer resolve any domain names. Even with ping I get no response.
[10:08] <Taggnostr> not sure I an take/upload a screen during installation, I guess a photo of the screen will do?
[10:09] <MacroMan> This is a server running 18.04. Strangley, web connections into the server are fine.
[10:09] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: yes, sure
[10:09] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: i mean sure, a photo will do
[10:09] <Triffid_Hunter> MacroMan: sounds like your systemd resolver has curled up and died
[10:10] <MacroMan> Here is the log from the update: https://paste.ngx.cc/77042edb0560c367
[10:10] <Triffid_Hunter> MacroMan: try ping -n 4.2.2.1, if that works your network is fine and the issue is just the DNS resolver
[10:10] <MacroMan> Triffid_Hunter: Yes, pings fine
[10:10] <tomreyn> "Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[10:11] <MacroMan> Yes, on keyboard config
[10:11] <MacroMan> It just hung while it was running /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst
[10:11] <tomreyn> that's unusual. got any errors in dmesg?
[10:12] <MacroMan> There is a lot in dmesg
[10:12] <MacroMan> What am I looking for?
[10:12] <Taggnostr> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/pH7Tm1P.jpg
[10:12] <tomreyn> MacroMan: just post the last couple of lines in dmesg: dmesg | tail | pastebinit
[10:13] <MacroMan> Nothing in dmesg apart from UFW blocks
[10:13] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, here I already specified / to be formatted, /home to be mounted but not formatted, and the mount point of the first lvm partition, still haven't specified the others
[10:13] <MacroMan> Here you go anyway: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2bygRQtw2w/
[10:14] <Taggnostr> I also specified /dev/sdc1 as device for boot loader installation at the bottom (the same partition used for /)
[10:14] <MacroMan> Can I reinstall the systemd resolver?
[10:15] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: looks good, keep adding the other mount points as needed. device for boot loader installation should probably be /dev/sda or /dev/sdc, not /dev/sdc1
[10:16] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, it was /dev/sda, but that is one of the two hdd I use with lvm, is that fine?
[10:16] <Taggnostr> I assumed the bootloader should be on the same partition where the OS is installed and changed it
[10:16] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: that's fine as long as they have MBR partition tables on them, and they apparently do.
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:17] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: the boot loader should be where the firmware looks for it, which is usually on the first drive.
[10:17] <Taggnostr> is there any difference between picking /dev/sda or /dev/sdc? sdc is the ssd with the os and it's not under lvm (not sure if it makes a difference)
[10:17] <MacroMan> I changed the nameservers in /etc/resolve.conf and no I can resolve DNS addresses. Still weird why keyboard-configuration just hangs.
[10:17] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: thougjh you may be able to (and maybe already did) select a different default boot device.
[10:18] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: if you can instruct the bios to boot off sdc rather than off sda, then i'd ask it to do so and install grub to sdc
[10:19] <Mr-Potter> Hello why is that when installing something in the software app the progress bar sometimes goes away?
[10:19] <Mr-Potter> Can I bring it back?
[10:19] <tomreyn> MacroMan: thanks for posting, but indeed this is just ufw logspam, wont help here.
[10:20] <Mr-Potter> Also is XFCE known for compatibility issues with some netbooks
[10:20] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, is there a way to check where is it currently installed? if it's on sda and I specify sdc 2 I'm afraid they might conflict
[10:21] <tomreyn> MacroMan: /etc/resolve.conf will probably get overwritten again soon, breaking name resolutionm again if systemd-resolved is not working
[10:21] <Taggnostr> s/2 //
[10:22] <MacroMan> tomreyn: I think it broke because keyboard-configuration hung during upgrade. I'm slowly tracing this, and I think it may have something to do with the plymouth package
[10:22] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: you could check which of these drives have grub installed on , but this wont tell you hich device you previously (before booting off the live cd) booted from.
[10:23] <MacroMan> Can I remove plymouth on a headless server?
[10:23] <BluesKaj> MacroMan, the file to set DNS is in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[10:23] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: you'd need to review your bios configuration. i'd just install to /dev/sda for now, you can always choose to "sudo update-grub; sudo grub-install /dev/sdc" after installation.
[10:23] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, ok
[10:24] <MacroMan> BluesKaj: Apart from a header, that file is empty.
[10:25] <BluesKaj> MacroMan, which Ubuintu are you running?
[10:25] <MacroMan> 18.04
[10:25] <BluesKaj> odd
[10:26] <MacroMan> Will it hurt my server if I remove plymouth?
[10:27] <BluesKaj> oh, you mean the server side for the DNS ?
[10:27] <Taggnostr> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/nvfIcuh.jpg
[10:28] <MacroMan> No, my DNS is working again for now.  I think plymouth is the splashscreen on boot, but I didn't know if removing it had any other side effects
[10:28] <BluesKaj> no idea
[10:28] <MacroMan> This bug report is what I'm experiencing, but it was fixed in April: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1705345
[10:28] <Taggnostr> tomreyn: I added the missing mount points and selected /dev/sda for the boot loader at the bottom, should be good to go now
[10:28] <MacroMan> Could be a bug regression
[10:29] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: yes i would think so.
[10:29] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, I'm going ahead and complete the installation then -- wish me luck!
[10:30] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: in case it will fail to boot, be sure to enter bios and set the default boot device to the be first (sda) disk, the one with 1TB capacity
[10:30] <Taggnostr> ok
[10:30] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: good luck (but should be fine)
[10:30] <Taggnostr> thanks :)
[10:43] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, it booted to a black screen, so I restarted and went into the boot menu, and the ssd was the first in the list.  I selected the hd (sda) and it booted fine, and everything seems to be ok: I can see all my home with all the lvm partitions mounted correctly
[10:44] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, should I run "sudo update-grub; sudo grub-install /dev/sdc" to fix the boot issue?
[10:44] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: so the bios will continue to try to boot off sdc. then you can juts install grub there, too.
[10:44] <tomreyn> right
[10:44] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: umm, but make sure sdc is still sdc
[10:45] <tomreyn> the bios could have reordered the disks, cuasing them to be renamed
[10:46] <Taggnostr> they look the same as before
[10:46] <tomreyn> cool
[10:46] <Taggnostr> or at least, sdc is still the one with 20+100GB, not sure about the other two hdds
[10:47] <tomreyn> they dont matter then
[10:47] <tomreyn> just install to sdc and reboot again
[10:53] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, did the command, did a reboot and it started without problems, then I did an update and another reboot and it went fine again -- looks like everything is working :)
[10:54] <Taggnostr> I've been putting this off for months because I wasn't sure how to do it and I was running a broken a 16.04 32bit, now it looks like new and I still have all my stuff in the right place
[10:54] <Taggnostr> tomreyn, thanks a lot for all the help!
[10:55] <tomreyn> Taggnostr: you're welcome, i'm glad it worked out.
[11:04] <KarlMarx> How do I install ubuntu on my iPhone
[11:07] <Mr-Potter> lol I don't think that's possible
[11:08] <KarlMarx> Never say never
[11:11] <Kingsy> does anyone know how to install speciific nvim syntax files on ubuntu?
[11:29] <guiverc> Kingsy, I've only briefly played with neovim (nvim), but https://github.com/lsdr/nvim mentions $HOME/.config, or you could look at the wiki/FAQ https://github.com/neovim/neovim/wiki/FAQ
[11:29] <x03ff4a9778> anyone using a RX560 on bionic? does display port audio work properly?
[11:29] <Mr-Potter> hello I'm running Xubuntu and can't get it to recognise any new usb devices
[11:30] <blackflow> Kingsy: I don't know neovim, but if it's anything like vim, there's ~/.vim/ and ~/.vimrc  where you can put in, or define in, any vim specific script or config.
[11:32] <Mr-Potter> seriously tempting me to give up on it:(
[11:33] <guiverc> Mr-Potter, if you remove some usb devices, do those same new devices work then?
[11:38] <Kingsy> blackflow: there just doesnt seem like a standard way of adding these.
[11:40] <blackflow> Kingsy: as far as vim goes, there are several tools/frameworks to handle vim plugins. Usually, just dropping a file or dir somewhere in ~/.vim  and adding an initialization line to ~/.vimrc suffices.
[11:41] <blackflow> Kingsy: but again, I don't know neovim, and don't know if/what it does differently.
[11:42] <Kingsy> np
[11:48] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: wich driver are you using?
[11:50] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: and your ubuntu version please
[11:54] <x03ff4a9778> lotus|NUC, actually I am planning to install ubuntu 18.04 and I was checking if my hardware would work fine. I wanted to know how AMDGPU/AMDGPU-PRO works with displayport in general
[11:54] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: could also be kernel related, wich kernel are you using right now?
[11:55] <x03ff4a9778> lotus|NUC, I am not on linux right now.
[11:55] <x03ff4a9778> I read that from kernel 4.15 they fixed some displayport audio issues
[11:56] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: to know if your hardware works nice on ubuntu, we advice to test with a liveusb when working nice=> physical install
[11:58] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: if you encounter a bug, come back here we will help you
[11:58] <x03ff4a9778> well, that's true.. but also opinions would also be good and I asked :)
[11:58] <x03ff4a9778> I will try this weekend
[11:59] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: well lets say in general most systems perform well on ubuntu, we cannote really generalize all systems
[11:59] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: some cases need specific aproaches
[12:00] <x03ff4a9778> ok thanks for advice :)
[12:01] <lotus|NUC> x03ff4a9778: no problem and welcome to the ubuntu community(soon)
[12:01] <x03ff4a9778> well, I am already using ubuntu server on my raspberry so I am not really new! :D
[12:02] <lotus|NUC> ok nice
[12:16] <lotus|NUC> im getting weird snap syslog errors on bionic: https://hastebin.com/hotiwodesu.pl
[12:25] <tommy``> guys how can i rename a list of files according the content of txt? every line of the txt have the correct name for each file
[12:26] <mgedmin> maybe do a search/replace to convert the file with filenames into a shell script that renames the files?
[12:26] <mgedmin> each line would be 'mv -i oldname.txt newname.txt'
[12:27] <tommy``> how the script knows which lines is good for N-file?
[12:28] <tommy``> lines of txt
[12:28] <ioria> lotus|NUC, idk exactly, i guess is a gnome-software issue ,today we got an update iirc
[12:29] <Paddy_NI> Hi I am suddenly having an issue with my display resolution.  I noticed that suddenly my computer would boot to a 1024x768 desktop yesterday and could not figure out why (no updates or new packages have been installed).  So after looking in the display settings dialogue (gnome shell) I noticed that 1024x768 is the highest resolution available to me (should be 1600x900).  I removed the Graphics card and tried using onboard graphics 
[12:29] <Paddy_NI> It did for a short time change to 1600x900 but today it's just staying at 1024x768
[12:29] <Paddy_NI> Odd
[12:29] <lotus|NUC> ioria: i didnt open gnome-software, weird, yeah i noticed snap update
[12:29] <mgedmin> I once had that problem; somehow the monitor fried its flash memory or something and started reporting an invalid EDID (all 0xFF bytes)
[12:29] <ioria> lotus|NUC, runs in bg
[12:30] <mgedmin> never got to the bottom of it; crafted a custom Xorg modeline temporarily, then got a new monitor and relegated this one as a spare text console in the server room
[12:30] <lotus|NUC> ioria: lemme try a reboot
[12:31] <mgedmin> once did a google and found out that in the wayland world custom modelines are not really a thing, but you can sort of override the EDID for a monitor if you do a lot of annoying steps and know what you're doing
[12:32] <Paddy_NI> mgedmin: Oh that was to me, interesting.  That actually could very well be the problem
[12:33] <Paddy_NI> I remember years ago having to do this with an unusual brand of monitor for a client
[12:33] <mgedmin> check the log files, in my case I saw entries about the invalid EDID
[12:34] <Paddy_NI> I guess we have been largely spoiled with a mostly "just works" OS
[12:34] <mgedmin> It's annoying when the monitor works one day and breaks the next; I suspected a power spike
[12:34] <mgedmin> and of course nobody thinks to make a backup of the EDID block of a working monitor just in case
[12:34] <Paddy_NI> So much so that I can barely remember how to fix things any more lol
[12:34] <Paddy_NI> mgedmin: I am most certainly going to start doing that
[12:35] <Paddy_NI> Save it to Google Drive or similar
[12:44] <raidghost> ANY Mainboards to recommand, 1151 socket Gen 2 ?
[12:45] <ikonia> try ##hardware
[12:49] <koosha01> Hi there.
[12:49] <Paddy_NI> mgedmin: Found an old ubuntugeek howto. :-)
[12:49] <Paddy_NI> mgedmin: It worked :-)
[12:49] <koosha01> I've got a problem: I can't login through my xdm un ubuntu 18.04 today. It was well working days before.
[12:50] <Paddy_NI> mgedmin: Do you think there is any downside to doing it this way?
[12:50] <Paddy_NI> mgedmin: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-change-display-resolution-settings-using-xrandr.html
[12:51] <koosha01> It says: "gnome-session-binart: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry ..."
[12:52] <koosha01> What's the problem???
[12:57] <unimatrix9> hello all
[12:58] <unimatrix9> was there a way to sync the ubuntu iso to include all update before making a usb bootable device ? 18.04LTS
[13:01] <koosha01> Solved!
[13:04] <unimatrix9> its really quiet here
[13:07] <ikonia> if you ask a question, people will respond
[13:08] <BluesKaj> unimatrix9, don't know of any direct method to do what you requested, however there is an option install updates during the actual installation procedure though.
[13:08] <unimatrix9> thats true
[13:08] <unimatrix9> looking into zsync right now
[13:09] <JanC> look for documentation about making your own Ubuntu live CD
[13:11] <unimatrix9> thanks ;)
[13:12] <JanC> from memory (I did it several years ago), basically you'd have to unpack the compressed filesystem, chroot into it, upgrade all packages with APT (and maybe install/remove extra packages if you want), recreate the compressed file system and create a new ISO
[13:12] <JanC> there are/were some tools to help with it too
[13:12] <BluesKaj> apt on cd?
[13:13] <JanC> inside the chroot into the unpacked file system
[13:14] <JanC> unimatrix9: and 18.04.1 (= the current ISOs) is already more up-to-date than 18.04, of course
[13:17] <unimatrix9> hmm , there seems to be a pogram to do it , cubic
[13:18] <JanC> https://news.softpedia.com/news/you-can-now-create-your-own-ubuntu-18-04-lts-live-system-with-pinguy-builder-520733.shtml might be useful
[13:18] <JanC> there are/were several tools, but make sure it's up-to-date itself
[13:18] <JanC> older ones might not support UEFI well, etc.
[13:19] <unimatrix9> pinguy , say's the article , is no longer active ..
[13:19] <cluelessperson> in ubuntu, I'm having multiple bugs appear
[13:19] <unimatrix9> so cubic is its replacement...
[13:19] <cluelessperson> when I restarted without completely powering off, the WIFI didn't come back
[13:19] <zjhxmjl> hey,guys!i follow this guide:https://nicktail.com/amd-vega-64-ubuntu-16-04-3-black-screen-fix,which command i should when i use Vega 56 and RX580   simultaneously
[13:19] <zjhxmjl> ./amdgpu-pro-install -y --opencl=rocm  or ./amdgpu-pro-install -y --opencl=legacy  ??
[13:19] <cluelessperson> when I open the wifi menu in settings, it takes up 100% cpu, and freezes the window
[13:20] <cluelessperson> I have to hit airplane mode key on keyboard to unfreeze and  move about
[13:20] <unimatrix9> thanks for all tips, i am good now.. ;)
[13:21] <AtuM> cluelessperson, perhaps there's an issue with wifi drivers. I've had a similar issue two releases ago. it works fine now
[13:21] <cluelessperson> AtuM: if the wifi driver hangs up, the gui shouldn't hang up waiting for it
[13:21] <cluelessperson> that's still a gui bug
[13:23] <AtuM> cluelessperson, try this: after the computer starts, unload and reload the wifi drivers and see if you can reproduce the problem then
[13:25] <AtuM> a lot got tangled between the network and gui lately. it can be a gui bug for sure.. it could just wait in the background. for such I imagine it's best to open an issue in the canonical ticketing system
[13:25] <unimatrix9> bye all
[13:34] <cluelessperson> AtuM: I mean, the gui shows wifi points
[13:34] <cluelessperson> it just freezes up
[13:53] <michagogo> o/
[13:54] <michagogo> I'm trying to migrate an Ubuntu VM from Virtualbox to Hyper-V, and in the process from legacy to UEFI. I converted the disk to GPT, created an ESP, and am now trying to run boot-repair to get that working.
[13:55] <michagogo> I'm getting this error: grub-efi-amd64-signed purge cancelled, please report this message to boot.repair@gmail.com
[13:55] <michagogo> Anyone know why this may be happening?
[13:56] <michagogo> My summary is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fyy6FrCnZW/
[13:56] <dadabidet> hello, I have ubuntu 16.04, and I want to install libsfml version 2.5, what are the steps involved?
[13:57] <dadabidet> it seems its present in a repo, how can I install it without building it?
[14:00] <michagogo> Oh, wait a second, just scrolled down to the botto
[14:00] <michagogo> m
[14:02] <gloomy> Hi :)
[14:02] <gloomy> How can I easily install a package with its full dependency tree on a computer that is not connected (nor connectable) to internet?
[14:02] <lotus|NUC> dadabidet: can you tell us what you are going to do?
[14:03] <lotus|NUC> !info apt-offline | gloomy
[14:03] <gloomy> I tried downloading the package (and dependencies) manually but quickly drove me to insanity :-)
[14:03] <dadabidet> lotus|NUC, I want to build c++ code against SFML, but I need a newer version of SFML
[14:04] <dadabidet> in 16.04 it has sfml 2.3
[14:04] <lotus|NUC> dadabidet: well we strongly advice to not mix package versions on ubuntu, and use the package versions meant for your specific ubuntu version
[14:05] <dadabidet> isnt there a repo with newer versions of that package, but with sfml 2.5?
[14:05] <gloomy> Hum. Not sure if that is installed... let me try
[14:05] <lotus|NUC> !backports | dadabidet maybe?
[14:07] <michagogo> Okay, interesting.
[14:08] <michagogo> So, a tip for anyone who happens to see this and then happens to run into this issue in the future: if apt is configured to use an apt-cacher-ng (or I'd imagine any proxy) running on localhost, boot-repair won't work
[14:09] <michagogo> It looks like it chroots into the target system and runs various apt commands, but the system isn't up so neither is the proxy
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> dadabidet: You may have seen it in a 3rd party package repository, which are not supported here. The issue with 3rd party repositories is that they may contain other packages which will contribute to system and application instability. Since SFML is a very import component for allowing applications to communicate with the system, I would not recommend installing a newer version than what is provided by default in
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> the default Ubuntu repositories.
[14:12] <dadabidet> ok, so there are no sfml25 builds for ubuntu 16.04
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> dadabidet: Not presently. It appears it will be available in the next release of Ubuntu (Cosmic Cuttlefish) support in #ubuntu+1
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> dadabidet: Is there a particular reason you need the latest version?
[14:15] <dadabidet> features not present in 2.3
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> dadabidet: That didn't answer the question. I asked particular, meaning I'm looking for a more specific reason.
[14:17] <dadabidet> text::getLineSpacing
[14:20] <dadabidet> don't bother, it's not that bad
[14:20] <dadabidet> Ill rebuild sfml if I really need it
[14:20] <dadabidet> building sfml is a little complex
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> dadabidet: I would recommend checking out one of the software development channels on freenode. I'm certain someone has run into a similar issue, and those channels would be a great resource to find a workaround. In my opinion, I would not write my programs to target the latest versions, but instead target a couple releases earlier as not all platforms will have the updated versions
[14:22] <dadabidet> sure, thanks for the advice
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> dadabidet: I would start with ##programming .. the channel will require registration of your nick to join (most channels on freenode do)
[14:24] <dadabidet> #sfml is on another server, I have it on my client
[15:02] <quiltbitch> I have a hard drive that I made mountable at /mnt/
[15:03] <quiltbitch> however it still displays on nautilus left side panel on drives, and says it is not mounted
[15:03] <quiltbitch> but I can access it if I directly go to /mnt/uid
[15:03] <quiltbitch> why is that?
[15:04] <enzotib> you should mount through nautilus, clicking on it, it is not aware of what happens under /mnt
[15:04] <quiltbitch> even under "Disks" app it says it is not mounted
[15:05] <quiltbitch> it is shown as part of my drives but I can't access it directly from the side panel
[15:05] <quiltbitch> on nautilous
[15:05] <quiltbitch> is there a way to fix that?
[15:11] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: how did you mount it exactly?
[15:12] <Ghosthree3> so im trying to install ubuntu in a libvirt vm and its freezing briefly after starting the install
[15:12] <Ghosthree3> as you can see by the clock, it froze 10 minutes ago https://a.uguu.se/gGIdRlpWWwzI_sel_2018-09-05_01-11-52_516227031.png
[15:12] <Ghosthree3> anyone experienced this before?
[15:19] <quiltbitch> leftyfb it is mounted automatically on start up
[15:19] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: by what means? Did you add it to fstab?
[15:20] <quiltbitch> nope, did it through DISKS
[15:20] <JuJUBee> How do I know if my live usb is uefi or legacy installer?
[15:20] <leftyfb> JuJUBee: it's all the same
[15:21] <quiltbitch> leftfb it is in the fstab tho
[15:21] <JuJUBee> I thought there was a difference?
[15:21] <quiltbitch> but there are two entries for it. Not sure if it makes a difference
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> JuJUBee: What is more important is that you have your BIOS/UEFI configured for EFI mode prior to installation. If EFI is not enabled in the BIOS/UEFI configuration, Ubuntu will install in legacy mode
[15:21] <leftyfb> JuJUBee: there aren't separate ISO's for EFI/BIOS installers
[15:22] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: remove one entry and change it so it mounts somewhere in /media/<YOUR USER>/<mountname>
[15:22] <JuJUBee> pragmaticenigma, leftyfb thanks.  I'm having trouble with a box.  Just replaced my HDDs and after fresh install, BIOS hung
[15:22] <quiltbitch> leftyfb I need it to mount on /mnt/
[15:23] <JuJUBee> Just wanted to make sure it wasn't related to uefi/legacy
[15:23] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: why do you think you need it mounted on /mnt
[15:23] <quiltbitch> leftyfb permission reasons, to be accessible by other users
[15:24] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: that it does not need to be mounted to /mnt. That's a permissions issue which you specify in the fstab entry and with the ACL's on the given directory structure
[15:27] <quiltbitch> leftyfb I am using an application that has pretty weird permission model and that was the only way to have it work. So I am not trying to change that right now since it took me 1 day to fix that issue
[15:28] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: what you can do is create a nautilus bookmark for each user
[15:29] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[15:31] <leftyfb> scratch that, $HOME/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks
[15:31] <quiltbitch> leftyb can you spot anything wrong with my fstab file? https://pastebin.com/ByjfzVn6
[15:31] <leftyfb> as I already told you, delete 1 of those
[15:32] <leftyfb> don't know why you've got 2 entries for the same thing
[15:32] <quiltbitch> which one?
[15:32] <quiltbitch> I think DISKS created them
[15:32] <leftyfb> I have never used that util so I don't know how it does things
[15:34] <ohms360> howdy folks, got some infrastructure running ubuntu 18.04 server and running into some DNS troubles when i'm trying to resolve a CNAME record from my DNS servers. Wanted a quick sanity check in case I'm missing a certain record
[15:35] <ohms360> systemd-resolved returns this when I try to resolve this.example.tld (CNAME'd to thisArecord.example2.dlt) Sep 04 15:31:43 ws1 systemd-resolved[671]: Server returned error NXDOMAIN, mitigating potential DNS violation DVE-2018-0001, retrying transaction with reduced feature level UDP.
[15:36] <ohms360> nslookup of this.example.tld results in an NXDOMAIN
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> ohms360: Are you obfuscuating the domains you are attempting to use as examples?
[15:37] <ohms360> yes
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> ohms360: We won't be able to help oyu
[15:38] <ohms360> they are internal records ran on RFC1918 address space
[15:38] <leftyfb> ohms360: you might try #ubuntu-server
[15:38] <ohms360> thanks I'll try there
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> ohms360: Obfuscuation of the domains isn't going to help anyone... if you do that in your examples, you must state as much.
[15:41] <quiltbitch> leftfb I did it but now I can't see any of my files on the disk :/
[15:41] <quiltbitch> after rebooting
[15:42] <quiltbitch> brb I am gonna reboot again
[15:43] <JuJUBee> For a small network (my classroom) is it bad to use desktop vs server as my "Server/Gateway"
[15:45] <quiltbitch> leftyfb Now whenever I mount the drive through nautilus the files disapear. Whenever I unmount it I can see them again
[15:46] <quiltbitch> the drive is encrypted with LUKS if that makes any difference
[15:46] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: that makes a big difference
[15:46] <leftyfb> how are you decrypting a drive on boot meant to be accessible by multiple people?
[15:47] <quiltbitch> the boot drive is different, this is external drive
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> JuJUBee: Ubuntu Server and Desktop install the same core files. The difference is that Server does not install a GUI (Desktop Environmnet) by default.
[15:47] <quiltbitch> the boot drive is also encrypted
[15:47] <leftyfb> how are you decrypting the partition/drive in question on boot meant to be accessible by multiple users?
[15:47] <quiltbitch> but different system users need access to my encrypted drive which is supposed to decrypt after start up
[15:48] <quiltbitch> to my encrypted external drive*
[15:48] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: what's the point of encrypting the drive if it gets decrypted automatically at boot?
[15:48] <quiltbitch> security, e.g. stolen PC etc
[15:49] <leftyfb> there is zero security there if it mounts on boot. You're storing the key somewhere on the non-encrypted drive/partition
[15:49] <quiltbitch> the boot drive is also encrypted
[15:49] <quiltbitch> so to decrypt the external and boot into the main drive you need a password
[15:50] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: Is the external drive the one you are trying to share with other users and are trying to get to show up in nautilus?
[15:50] <quiltbitch> yes correct
[15:50] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: Then don't bother trying to mount it with fstab
[15:51] <quiltbitch> ok then?
[15:51] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: mount it manually since you need to manually enter it's password anyway
[15:51] <quiltbitch> leftyfb the goal is to have it auto-mount and auto-decrypt on system boot. I don't want to enter the password manually
[15:53] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: I don't think I have an answer for you at the moment
[15:53] <leftyfb> quiltbitch: https://blog.tinned-software.net/automount-a-luks-encrypted-volume-on-system-start/
[15:54] <JuJUBee> pragmaticenigma, thank you for the clarification
[15:54] <quiltbitch> ok thanks leftyfb!
[16:03] <Ghosthree3> ubuntu installation keeps freezing during installation (at several different points so far) in a vm (libvirt), any ideas?
[16:08] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: insufficient RAM?
[16:10] <ryuo> Ghosthree3: did you allocate at least 2G?
[16:10] <Ghosthree3> hm, i allocated exactly 2G
[16:10] <Ghosthree3> but i can try more
[16:12] <katamo> Ghosthree3 2G should be more than plenty. from the host can you `sudo dump-xml $VM_NAME | pastebinit` and share the link?
[16:13] <Ghosthree3> katamo: host isnt ubuntu, so whatever package that is i dont have it, dump-xml is ..libvirt specific?
[16:14] <Ghosthree3> trying 4G install atm
[16:14] <katamo> Ghosthree3 what is host OS?
[16:15] <Ghosthree3> arch
[16:17] <katamo> Ghosthree3 then:
[16:17] <katamo> `sudo pacman -S pastebinit --noconfirm`
[16:17] <katamo> `virsh dumpxml $VMNAME | pastebinit`
[16:17] <katamo> You should end up with a link like this: https://pastebin.com/ps9rYV7b
[16:19] <Ghosthree3> oh virsh dumpxml, that makes more sense
[16:20] <Ghosthree3> 4G install is still running atm, if it fails ill shut it down and post the paste..
[16:22] <katamo> if it hangs again, do share  what you observe when it gets stuck. Is this Server or Desktop OS?.. If Desktop, click the drop-down carrot to show more verbose terminal info on the installer screen
[16:25] <Ghosthree3> desktop, two of the times ive had it freeze it was right after running some python script, cant remember  what. one time it froze in the screenshot i posted about 80 minutes ago, the instllation hadnt even started. once it got past where that python script was and was processing packages i believe
[16:25] <Ghosthree3> so far so good with 4G tho
[16:26] <katamo> Ghosthree3 Interesting and fingers crossed.
[16:27] <Ghosthree3> installation complete, interesting...
[16:28] <Ghosthree3> i kinda wanna do it again now to check if it was a fluke
[16:28] <katamo> snapshot & re-install for giggles lol
[16:34] <CoolerZ> i get this error on ubuntu 18.04  ERROR: JAVA_HOME is set to an invalid directory: ~/java/jdk-10.0.2:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-amd64:/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64
[16:36] <XirAurelius> I have a potentially stupid question: what is the state of zfs in Ubuntu? Can I reasonably run a system with a root zfs filesystem?
[16:36] <XirAurelius> I remember a few years ago it was only available via FUSE.
[16:36] <blackflow> XirAurelius: sure, but you'll have to install it manually
[16:37] <blackflow> it's a proper kernel module now, part of the normal kernel package
[16:37] <Ghosthree3> XirAurelius: look into ZoL?
[16:37] <XirAurelius> I hadn't looked into it. It was an idle thought. I'll do so now.
[16:37] <CoolerZ> can someone please help?
[16:37] <CoolerZ> the people in #java don't want to help as they think this is specific to ubuntu
[16:38] <CoolerZ> why do i get that error message?
[16:38] <XirAurelius> What was the error message?
[16:39] <nacc> CoolerZ: i don't think JAVA_HOME can be a set of paths
[16:39] <nacc> CoolerZ: it doesn't make sense to do that
[16:39] <CoolerZ> nacc, i think it can be
[16:39] <nacc> XirAurelius: root on zfs requires some work
[16:39] <CoolerZ> i saw it in a stackoverflow thread
[16:40] <CoolerZ> but i will try a single path
[16:40] <blackflow> and three versions no less
[16:40] <nacc> CoolerZ: it makes no sense to say your JAVA_HOME is three unrelated java versions
[16:40] <XirAurelius> Yeah, I'm thinking JAVA_HOME needs to point to a specific single JRE.
[16:41] <CoolerZ> nacc, i am still getting the same error message
[16:41] <nacc> CoolerZ: the exact same one?
[16:41] <CoolerZ> yes
[16:41] <nacc> CoolerZ: then you didn't change your JAVA_HOME correctly
[16:41] <CoolerZ> ~$ echo $JAVA_HOME
[16:41] <CoolerZ> ~/java/jdk-10.0.2
[16:42] <nacc> CoolerZ: and what command produces the error above?
[16:42] <nacc> CoolerZ: use a pastebin, if you need
[16:42] <madLyfe> so firefox and vlc got updates today, does those just auto update or does it need to be done manually?
[16:42] <madLyfe> they were installed with the default install.
[16:42] <nacc> madLyfe: updates from Ubuntu?
[16:43] <madLyfe> i didnt know if the packages updated themselves or it has to go through ubuntu?
[16:43] <nacc> ... well, the packages aren't alive or anything, so no they don't update themselves :)
[16:43] <nacc> madLyfe: a developer has to prepare updates of the package
[16:43] <CoolerZ> https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/fwNjsqEGp2hHJYNGhqym/
[16:44] <nacc> CoolerZ: that seems like an issue in the `android` application. How is it invoking java/
[16:44] <CoolerZ> i don't know, it came with android studio
[16:44] <nacc> CoolerZ: wait, taht's totally *not* the same error message.
[16:44] <madLyfe> like are those packages that are installed via the OS, are they just like me installing via a deb?
[16:44] <nacc> CoolerZ: a different path.
[16:45] <CoolerZ> when i installed this https://developer.android.com/studio/
[16:45] <nacc> madLyfe: ... what? ubuntu packages are debs, yes.
[16:45] <CoolerZ> nacc, yes i mentioned that i changed the path to have only one folder
[16:45] <CoolerZ> as you suggested
[16:45] <nacc> CoolerZ: right, and then you said it was the exact same error message :) which it isn't
[16:45] <nacc> CoolerZ: in any case
[16:45] <madLyfe> how long does it take for that to filter down?
[16:45] <madLyfe> the updates to these apps?
[16:45] <CoolerZ> it is the same error, whats different about it?
[16:46] <nacc> CoolerZ: the path that it reported, of coures
[16:46] <CoolerZ> yeah ?
[16:46] <nacc> CoolerZ: are you sure that JAVA_HOME is where `java` points?
[16:46] <blackflow> CoolerZ: no it's not the same.
[16:46] <Ghosthree3> katamo: yep, froze 5 or 6 times in a row with 2G, but just finished up for the second time without issue with 4G. not sure why it needs that much for a vm install
[16:46] <nacc> CoolerZ: as in run `java -version` what does it say?
[16:47] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: for all the gnome bling you have during the installer, it's a full gnome experience. that thing eats RAMs for breakfast.
[16:47] <CoolerZ> nacc, https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/P8S7rgGfXUxFii0Ag3uO/
[16:47] <nacc> CoolerZ: right, so you didn't update your PATH to match JAVA_HOME
[16:47] <nacc> maybe?
[16:47] <katamo> Ghosthree3 I'm gonna test again but I install Bionic in vm's on Arch with sub 2G or less RAM several times a week. Hmmmmmm, i'm curious.
[16:47] <Ghosthree3> blackflow: ubuntu system reqs only say 2G though, granted thats 2G in a standard environment, maybe the VM does need more
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: what does "whereis java" tell you
[16:48] <nacc> CoolerZ: specifically, in that shell where you ran `java -version`, did you set JAVA_HOME?
[16:48] <CoolerZ> java: /usr/bin/java /usr/share/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz
[16:48] <CoolerZ> nacc, i have set JAVA_HOME by going into ~/.bashrc and adding this line
[16:49] <Ghosthree3> katamo: ive installed other VMs without an issue, its just ubuntu.... and it seems to be frozen when booting to the system now, great.. its just purple with some broken black at the top
[16:49] <CoolerZ> export JAVA_HOME="~/java/jdk-10.0.2"
[16:49] <CoolerZ> at the very end of the file
[16:49] <Ghosthree3> CoolerZ: bashrc is only sourced by interactive shells, new ones at that, are you calling java from within those new shells or running it from gui or something
[16:49] <nacc> CoolerZ: why are you setting your JAVA_HOME to that path in the first place? That's the version Ubuntu ships with
[16:50] <CoolerZ> Ghosthree3, i am not calling java other than to just check the version
[16:50] <CoolerZ> android is calling java
[16:50] <katamo> Ghosthree3 enter your dmcrypt passwd blind at that screen or hit "esc" and enter it at console
[16:50] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: drop the "quiet" and "splash" keywords from the kernel command line. do you know how to do that? then you might see any error messages when it freezes.
[16:50] <CoolerZ> nacc, what now?
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: You followed an example where the author installed Java in their home directory, because they needed a version different than what was on their system. You don't have that requirement, therefore you do not need to set JAVA_HOME variable manually
[16:50] <Ghosthree3> blackflow: i mean ido, but not with a vm that just presents this immediately after hitting start https://a.uguu.se/AcjOyb3HyNEl_sel_2018-09-05_02-50-44_144427545.png
[16:51] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: thanks for translating.
[16:51] <CoolerZ> pragmaticenigma, okay.....
[16:51] <CoolerZ> so what now?
[16:51] <quiltbitch> trying to install ubuntu on my laptop and I get AE_NOT_FOUND
[16:51] <quiltbitch> the installer fails. Tried OEM Install and Normal Install
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: Remove it from the bash configuration... start a new session, and see if it works.
[16:51] <nacc> CoolerZ: JAVA_HOME=/some/path means *java* itself is installed there. That was not the case for your system.
[16:51] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: "you do" what? if you see purple then you haven't removed splash
[16:51] <Ghosthree3> katamo: blackflow wait nevermind, i force reset it and the second time it gave me the grub and then booted to the unlock prompt
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerZ: New session may require you logging out and back in.
[16:52] <CoolerZ> ok i guess whereis java did give a different folder
[16:52] <Ghosthree3> blackflow: i do know how to remove those kernel options, but only from actually reaching grub, which i hadnt before. but yea, rebooting it seems to have fixed it, not sure why it failed the first time only
[16:52] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: ah, k.
[16:53] <CoolerZ> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/xml/bind/annotation/XmlSchema
[16:53] <CoolerZ> well at least it works now
[16:53] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: I'd (and I do) make it permanent, esp. with LUKS prompts, that splash can interfere.
[16:53] <CoolerZ> still something missing, do i need to install the xml package?
[16:54] <Ghosthree3> blackflow: splash _and_ quiet? whats the reason anyway
[16:54] <katamo> `quiet splash` is cosmetic only. I prefer to disable them to ease troubleshooting in my vm's should anything go wrong.
[16:54] <Jordan_U> quiltbitch: What model computer? What release of Ubuntu?
[16:55] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: yeah. without "quiet", the prompt will be buried in late-init device outputs. splash is about plymouth and sometimes there are issues with plymouth and LUKS prompt, there were some bug reports, and especially if you have nvidia driver (which I suppose is not relevant for your VM, just saying)
[16:55] <quiltbitch> Jordan_U Dell G5 5587 / Ubuntu 16.04
[16:55] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: so, to correct myself, you remove splash AND quiet for debugging, but default should have at least quiet, so the prompt is not burried in the output
[16:56] <Jordan_U> quiltbitch: Why are you installing 16.04 rather than 18.04?
[16:57] <quiltbitch> Jordan_U better support and guides available for installing things like Tensorflow
[16:58] <Ghosthree3> blackflow: is it just grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg in ubuntu?
[16:59] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: update-grub
[16:59] <Ghosthree3> ah
[16:59] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: I suppose grub-mkconfig would work too yes
[16:59] <Ghosthree3> update-grub is a wrapper then? (i noticed less output)
[16:59] <blackflow> Ghosthree3: huh, in fact, that's exactly what update-grub calls :)
[17:05] <quiltbitch> any help?
[17:06] <katamo> quiltbitch "AE_NOT_FOUND" has to do with bios ACPI methods and *should not* prevent the live OS from booting. you *may* need to wait for a timeout for the boot to continue though.
[17:07] <ksbalaji> upgraded to 18.04 from 16.04 using upgrade . But, not all sessions are working. help,
[17:08] <quiltbitch> katamo is there any BIOS settings I can do to prevent this? And how long do I have to wait after these errors (I already waited a minute or so)
[17:08] <ioria> quiltbitch, AE_NOT_FOUND and ... what else ?
[17:09] <quiltbitch> 18.xx worked fine :(
[17:09] <quiltbitch> only 16.04 has problem
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> quiltbitch: Can you post the entire error message. There are so many reasons that message can be thrown, that the included information with it will help us identify the problem
[17:09] <katamo> quiltbitch be sure to disable secure boot, but other than that the media should boot without issue. At the very least try booting 18.04 for the purpose of troubleshooting. Xenial may not support that new of hardware off the bat
[17:10] <quiltbitch> acpi error ae_not_found during name lookup/catalog
[17:10] <quiltbitch> there is like 10 errors that start with AE_NOT_FOUND
[17:10] <quiltbitch> happens on Try Ubuntu, Install Ubuntu and Install OEM
[17:11] <ioria> quiltbitch,   have you tried acpi=off ?  (temporary fix)
[17:11] <katamo> quiltbitch *bionic works and xenial does not? Alright already confirmed. Then thats going to be hardware/kernel support pairing. Try adding "nomodeset" to the kernel boot parameters & ditto acpi=off as per ioria
[17:12] <quiltbitch> where do I add acpi=off in the GRUB? There is 3 lines
[17:12] <ioria> quiltbitch,  the 'linux' line
[17:13] <katamo> quiltbitch for refrence w/ pictures: https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln306327/manual-nomodeset-kernal-boot-line-option-for-linux-booting
[17:14] <katamo> do both the modeset and acpi flags in that same line
[17:14] <Jordan_U> quiltbitch: Hardware quirks like that are often fixed in newer releases. In this case it appears to have been a kernel but. Were it me, I would just use 18.04 and figure out how to get Tensorflow working there.
[17:14] <blackflow> "kernal"......
[17:14] <katamo> Jordan_U +1
[17:15] <katamo> blackflow nice catch. wow.
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: Nvidia doesn't have official support for Ubuntu 18.04 Tensorflow released yet.
[17:15] <Jordan_U> quiltbitch: After "quiet splash", on the same line. (Which is the end of the line that begins with "linux").
[17:15] <katamo> blackflow I'm emailing Dell sputnik now, bet that spelling gets fixed & pushed to public in ~2 weeks.
[17:16] <blackflow> katamo: it's embarassing for them... official docs and all :)
[17:16] <katamo> blackflow sadly the penguins dont do the final publishing. its happened before.
[17:17] <katamo> just like everyone else in FOSS the dell penguins need as much community help as everyone else
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: Also, 18.04 is the first Ubuntu release with the CUDA drivers included by default, which causes the old documentation steps to fail.
[17:17] <blackflow> katamo: sure.
[17:21] <Jordan_U> quiltbitch: Looks like pragmaticenigma knows about tensorflow and does see reason to use 16.04 over 18.04 for tensorflow. See their last few messages to me. acpi=off is likely to lead to certain functionality not working, like not being able to properly shut down and many power saving features. You can often find a more specific kernel parameter / other quirk that will eliminate your specific error
[17:21] <Jordan_U> without disabling all of acpi.
[17:23] <quiltbitch> Jordan_U my pc Crashed and missed stuff
[17:24] <katamo> Jordan_U quiltbitch the kernel params for now are just to get OS installed, then install HWE or HWE-Edge kernel if *hopefully* that does not mess with tensorflow on the finished install
[17:25] <ioria> ioria, that ^ and probably that ' ae_not_found during name lookup/catalog' it's not fatal
[17:25] <ioria> quiltbitch,   that ^ and probably that ' ae_not_found during name lookup/catalog' it's not fatal
[17:27] <ioria> quiltbitch,   from Linus Torvalds himself : https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/10/5/299
[17:27] <quiltbitch> Interesting. I am thinking it might not worth the effort to install Ubuntu 16.04 and just try to make 18.04 work with Tensorflow
[17:29] <Jordan_U> quiltbitch: Do you have an nvidia GPU that you're planning to use to get GPU acceleration for tensorflow?
[17:30] <quiltbitch> yeah I need GPU version of tensorflow
[17:30] <quiltbitch> and I have nvidia 1050ti
[17:30] <madLyfe> did anyone update to newest VLC or newest FF?
[17:31] <katamo> quiltbitch ioria there are a few moving parts to those acpi errors being displayed. 1. kernel logging policy changed so those messages are now logged at syslog level instead of being masked. 2. Dell firmware engineers have the ability to mask those tables from OS observation however the budget has never been allocated to fund that engineering effor
[17:31] <katamo> t across the entire lineup. You'll notice variances in reports online and that is due to inconsistent masking across devices.
[17:32] <ioria> i see
[17:34] <ksbalaji> I am on acer e5 573-5108.  On upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04, I cannot login using many sessions, For example, gnome session does not work. Reverts back to login screen. Only wayland works. Help.
[17:35] <quiltbitch> thanks for the input katamo!
[17:36] <katamo> :)
[17:36] <ksbalaji> gnome session doesnt work.
[17:36] <ksbalaji> I am able to use only waylan
[17:37] <ksbalaji> Also, cairodock doesnt launch properly.
[17:38] <Jordan_U> quiltbitch: I have zero experience with tensorflow, but it looks like Nvidia doesn't have officially supported drivers for tensorflow for Ubuntu 18.04. People have gotten it to work, but just something to consider.
[17:38] <ksbalaji> Its very unnaturally silent here. Am I still connected to ubuntu channel friends?
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | ksbalaji
[17:40] <ksbalaji> pragmaticenigma, thanks. So I am alive.
[17:41] <ioria> ksbalaji, so are you logged in the wayland session atm ?
[17:56] <skummer101__> Greetings
[17:56] <charlielor> I’m trying to view the apache2.conf file inside ubuntu. What command should I use to view the file? Thanks!
[18:03] <Jordan_U> charlielor: less /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[18:04] <charlielor> Jordan_U: I got this error: bash: less: command not found
[18:05] <Jordan_U> charlielor: How are you opening a terminal?
[18:06] <charlielor> I’m accessing the terminal via docker exec -it ubuntu_web bash
[18:07] <Jordan_U> charlielor: What is the output of "echo $PATH"?
[18:09] <charlielor> looks like it froze on me
[18:09] <charlielor> Here’s the output: usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[18:10] <madLyfe> does anyone in here know how long it takes to get updates for VLC and FF that were released today?
[18:11] <Jordan_U> charlielor: And that's from within the docker container?
[18:12] <TBotNik> All: Anyone know a good git based restore program that will take existing .tar.gz backup files and  do a sync based file restore, by date?
[18:12] <freeone3000_> Hi. I'd like to actually, fully, and completely disable the nouveau driver in order to install the propriatary nvidia drivers. How do I do this on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS? I've tried blacklisting nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d but it's still somehow loaded - even at a runlevel 3 boot.
[18:13] <Jordan_U> freeone3000_: It's probably being loaded in your initramfs. What happens when you use the Additional Drivers tool to install the Nvidia drivers?
[18:13] <freeone3000_> Jordan_U: How do I run the Additional Drivers tool from the command line?
[18:14] <EriC^^> freeone3000_: you can use "ubuntu-drivers" tool from the cli
[18:14] <freeone3000_> (I don't have graphics, because I'm using a Quadro P400 and the nouveau drivers issue illegal instructions to it.)
[18:14] <EriC^^> same thing as the additional drivers dialogue
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> TBotNik: That is not an Ubuntu Support question. Please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or find a "git" specific support forum
[18:15] <charlielor> Jordan_U: Yes that $PATH out is from within the container
[18:15] <EriC^^> freeone3000_: did you try using "install nouveau /bin/false" in the module files?
[18:15] <freeone3000_> EriC^^: No, just 'blacklist'.
[18:16] <EriC^^> freeone3000_: that should prevent its loading
[18:16] <freeone3000_> EriC^^: Yet modprobe still lists it as loaded.
[18:16] <charlielor> There is a slash (/) before the usr/local but I didn’t paste into here because it seemed that if I do, it does not show up in this chat thing.
[18:17] <EriC^^> freeone3000_: try with the "install" directive, something else must be loading it later
[18:17] <charlielor> I even tried vi or vim and it’s the same error
[18:18] <freeone3000_> Alright, installed nvidia-drivers-390 with ubuntu-drivers and added 'install nouveau /bin/false' to /etc/modprobe.d/disable-nouveau.conf . Trying again.
[18:18] <Jordan_U> freeone3000_: "ubuntu-drivers devices" will list devices that have proprietary drivers available, and the free and non-free driver packages that can be used for them.
[18:20] <freeone3000_> EriC^^: lsmod is still showing nouveau loaded even with that line.
[18:21] <freeone3000_> Apparently some documents are showing that these lines are ignored if I have an initramfs which is the default configuration? Trying to run `update-initramfs -u` first.
[18:22] <Jordan_U> freeone3000_: The nvidia package from the Ubuntu repositories should automatically trigger initramfs -u.
[18:22] <EriC^^> freeone3000_: what modules are causing it to be loaded?
[18:23] <EriC^^> what does "lsmod | grep nouveau" give?
[18:23] <freeone3000_> I'm unable to say. update-initramfs -u then a reboot with `install nouveau /bin/false` caused nouveau to no longer be loaded. Thanks!
[18:24] <EriC^^> freeone3000_: great! no problem
[18:27] <black_mamba> What would be a good free IDS ? I know of snort
[18:28] <EriC^^> IDS?
[18:29] <leftyfb> black_mamba: That's not an Ubuntu support question. Try #security or #linux or #hardware
[18:29] <XirAurelius> Snort is pretty good. It only costs you if you are concerned that 30 days is too long to wait for updated detections, which it may be depending on your use case.
[18:29] <leftyfb> EriC^^: Intrusion Detection System
[18:29] <EriC^^> leftyfb: i see
[18:30] <ntd> bro
[18:30] <black_mamba> leftyfb: Oh, sorry. Thanks for the correct channel
[18:33] <EriC^^> !ping
[18:34] <XirAurelius> Is there any issue with me disabling loading the rtc kernel module? I get an error during boot that complains about not being able to load it, and I'd like to address that warning.
[18:35] <ksbalaji> How do I verify correctness of upgrading to 18.04?
[18:35] <EriC^^> ksbalaji: if cat /etc/release says 18.04 and dpkg --configure -a shows no problems you should be good
[18:36] <XirAurelius> I get the following error in journalctl: "Aug 16 07:33:04 server systemd-modules-load[397]: Failed to find module 'rtc'"
[18:38] <Menzador> ksbalaji: Also, I'd tag [ sudo apt-get install -f ] at the end of that command sequence, to make sure APT doesn't have any problems
[18:39] <Menzador> So do [ cat /etc/release ], then [ sudo dpkg --configure -a ], then [ sudo apt-get install -f ] in that order ksbalaji
[18:39] <ksbalaji> EriC^^, cat: /etc/release: No such file or directory!
[18:40] <EriC^^> ksbalaji: sorry :D cat /etc/issue
[18:43] <ksbalaji> EriC^^, Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l is this supposed to be ok?
[18:44] <EriC^^> ksbalaji: looks good
[18:44] <ksbalaji> Yeah, now to my actual problem:- gnome session in login doesn't work. Only wayland login works. Also only oem login works. :(
[18:46] <ksbalaji> If I choose to login to other sessions, I quit back to login screen again
[18:47] <EriC^^> ksbalaji: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:03] <keepguessing> I have a network adapter is in NAT more in a Ubuntu 18.04 guest vm. I see that my routing table is setup for 169.254 address. Seems like this is causing problems
[19:03] <keepguessing> the adapter is in dhcp and currently has a 192 address
[19:05] <JPSman> So, i'm rocking 18.04 - but using gnome-flashback - and this very application - XCHAT - isn't showing up in my "system tray" and it seems to be a cronic issue with other programs like discord et al
[19:05] <JPSman> I guess the "system tray" is called the indicator applet now?
[19:07] <leftyfb> JPSman: you should really use hexchat over xchat(I know it's not really related to your issue)
[19:08] <JPSman> Why?  Is there much of a difference?
[19:08] <leftyfb> JPSman: xchat hasn't been updated in 8 years
[19:08] <tomreyn> JPSman: xchat hasn't seen updates for many years. i think upstream has quit development. i'd recommend against using it, switching to hexchat (an xchat fork) or some other irc client.
[19:09] <JPSman> well, thats a comprehensive answer :)
[19:09] <Ben64> I'm using hexchat in 16.04 and it shows up in the tray if i select that option
[19:09] <tomreyn> i'm not sure why it's still in bionic (but also not sure what's the process to request removal).
[19:09] <Ben64> yeah i thought it would have been gone already
[19:09] <JPSman> well, the same thing happens with Discord as well.  I found a site that says to put env XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity infront of the discord exec command - but still
[19:09] <ioria> it was on xenial
[19:10] <ioria> come back on bionic
[19:11] <leftyfb> ioria: xenial has xchat-gnome
[19:11] <ioria> leftyfb, not the same
[19:12] <leftyfb> maybe so, but it hasn't been updated in 9 years :)
[19:12] <madLyfe> i borrowed a drive from a buddy to back stuff up on temporarily and now i need to give it back. what is the best way to wipe said drive?
[19:12] <ioria> leftyfb, yeah...
[19:12] <leftyfb> ioria: both should be removed
[19:13] <XirAurelius> modLyfe: how thorough do you need to be?
[19:13] <Ben64> madLyfe: fill it with zeros, using dd
[19:13] <ioria> leftyfb, everyone say so
[19:13] <JPSman> Ben64, is there a progress bar for using dd?
[19:13] <Ben64> there can be
[19:13] <JPSman> I was trying to wipe a drive the other day using Disks and I had zero indication what progress it was at
[19:13] <leftyfb> madLyfe: https://dban.org/
[19:14] <JPSman> ^
[19:14] <Ben64> dd easier
[19:14] <leftyfb> Ben64: Not if we're comparing how they both wipe
[19:14] <JPSman> actually it was a right click, format drive - still no indication
[19:14] <XirAurelius> No joke it's easier. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<drive> bs=1m
[19:14] <leftyfb> Ben64: dban is a lost more than just writing zeros
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64: dd is easier, but DBAN and other dedicated tools verify the data is removed as well as provide much more robust RNGs that meet or exceed industry standards for secure data wiping
[19:15] <XirAurelius> modLyfe you could also just delete the partition table on the drive, create a new partition, and create a new filesystem. You might not need all of this stuff we're discussing.
[19:15] <Ben64> filling with zeros makes data unrecoverable
[19:16] <Ben64> anything else is pointless
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64: No... it can be forensically recoverable
[19:16] <XirAurelius> Ben64 not one set of zeroes. Depending on who is trying to recover the data.
[19:16] <JPSman> Ben64, thats not true
[19:16] <leftyfb> Ben64: incorrect
[19:16] <Ben64> it is true
[19:16] <XirAurelius> No, that's still recoverable.
[19:16] <Ben64> nope
[19:17] <madLyfe> dban is gui?
[19:18] <Ben64> madLyfe: just fill with zeros, don't waste your time with pointless dban
[19:18] <JPSman> its an "operating system" - like an Ubuntu live CD
[19:18] <XirAurelius> If you're suitably driven one or two write passes is still recoverable.
[19:18] <XirAurelius> But your friend isn't likely to be driven enough to spend the money necessary.
[19:18] <ioria> madLyfe, the most secure is dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=4K   but it will take days :þ
[19:19] <leftyfb> Ben64: Sorry, but you are dead wrong. YOU and most people might not be able to recover data. But just writing zero's to a drive once does not render the data forever gone. It most certainly is recoverable by professionals and people who know what they are doing
[19:19] <Ben64> leftyfb: prove it
[19:19] <XirAurelius> There are more of us that disagree with you. You prove it.
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, XirAurelius, Ben64 ::: that conversation is way offtopic... please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:19] <Ben64> more of us, ha
[19:20] <madLyfe> can dban be run from within ubuntu?
[19:20] <JPSman> madLyfe, uh, sure? maybe using a virtual machine....
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: No, DBAN is a standalone bootable interface
[19:20] <madLyfe> it doesnt have efi support
[19:21] <Ben64> "a single bit whose precise location is known can in fact be correctly reconstructed with 56 per cent probability (in one of the quoted examples). To recover a byte, however, correct head positioning would have to be precisely repeated eight times, and the probability of that is only 0.97 per cent."
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: It doesn't need it... You are wiping a drive, you can safely disable EFI if it is preventing it from booting
[19:21] <Ben64> so no, it can't be recovered after zero fill
[19:22] <madLyfe> bleachbit is not as good?
[19:22] <Ben64> bleachbit i don't think has an option to wipe a drive?
[19:23] <madLyfe> ah. i thought thats what it was for
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: bleechbit has an option to wipe freespace... which will only target areas not in use by files
[19:24] <madLyfe> how long does dban usually take on a 2TB drive?
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: All wiping techniques are going to take time... how much depends on the harddrive, CPU, and RAM
[19:25] <Ben64> if you didn't delete any files on the drive, you could fill them with zeros, and save a bunch of time
[19:25] <madLyfe> thats why i wanted to see if it would run while in the OS.
[19:26] <Ben64> dd runs in the os
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64: Assuming the targeted drive is not the one currently running the computer
[19:27] <madLyfe> its not its just a backup drive
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64: Which is as good as any reason, not to do a wipe within the OS... and use a tool such as DBAN which offers an interface to help a user make a proper selection of the drive they wish to target (as well as removing the primary drive to avoid accidental wiping) ... Also Ben64 ... DBAN offers a zero out wiping method, which is also part of the reason it is the first that comes to mind for many of us. The goal is
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> to avoid low level commands that may end up wiping the wrong drive leaving the user with a broken computer.
[19:29] <Ben64> not too hard to just choose the right drive
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64: Again, this is not a venue for opinion or debate. Please stop
[19:30] <Ben64> without physically unplugging it, the risk is still there with dban
[19:30] <ioria> heheh
[19:30] <Ben64> this is actually a venue for competing opinions
[19:31] <leftyfb> Ben64: #ubuntu-offtopic is the proper venue for competing opinions. This is a support channel.
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64: No, it is a support channel. And you're doing it again.
[19:32] <Ben64> when it's related to support, it absolutely is the place for different options
[19:34] <Joral> not sure where to start, so here it is.  I have an older dell dimension with integrated geforce 6150se, currently running 18.04.  Nouveau is causing so many screen artifacts that most programs simply crash on load.  The newest Nvidia driver to support that card is 304 and neither the nvidia-304 in the ppa nor the nvidia-304.run will install.
[19:35] <ioria> Joral, nvidia-304 is dead on bionic
[19:36] <ioria> Joral, what's your ubuntu release ?
[19:36] <ioria> ok
[19:37] <Joral> ioria, 18.04
[19:37] <ioria> yes
[19:37] <ioria> Joral, so you don't have 304 in the repo
[19:37] <Joral> ioria, correct
[19:38] <ioria> Joral, what if i suggest ypou Lubuntu or Xubuntu ?
[19:39] <Joral> ioria, open to options, but not sure I understand how they would help?
[19:40] <ioria> Joral, no 3d acceleration on few load
[19:41] <Joral> ioria, this machine is going to become the controller for a cnc router.  I don't need the fastest 3d but do want it to run freecad incase we need to recalc tool paths etc, while at the machine
[19:42] <madLyfe> what is the gui to burn iso to usb drive?
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: Which version of Ubuntu are you on?
[19:43] <madLyfe> 18.04.1
[19:43] <ioria> Joral, what's your cpu ,please ?
[19:43] <Joral> athlon x2
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#0
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: or the application you are looking for is "Startup Disk Creator"
[19:45] <ioria> Joral,  and you already tested 304 from ppa ?
[19:46] <Joral> ioria, yes it holds broken dependencies
[19:46] <Joral> ioria, i even thought about trying to make a dummy package to convince it its dependencies are met, but alas that is above my paygrade
[19:47] <ioria> Joral,  weird, but in this case you cannot use proprietary nvidia on bionic ... if you really want ubuntu-desktop (but it will be unity) then install  16.04
[19:48] <ioria> !info nvidia-304  xenial
[19:48] <Joral> ioria, guess i shouldn't have done the dist-upgrade then lol
[19:49] <ioria> probably
[19:49] <Joral> ioria, how to I tell 16.04 to never ask for the upgrade then?
[19:50] <ioria> Joral,  in system settings -> updates & software
[19:51] <Joral> ioria, uh just remembered how long it took to get grub to handle nvraid properly lol
[19:51] <Ben64> i bet you could get the ppa to work
[19:51] <ioria> or that ^
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: So the issue is the default Novaeu drivers aren't working well? Did you have the Nvidia drivers installed before?
[19:53] <Joral> pragmaticenigma no I had a radeon card that needs to go to another machine installed before.  There is nothing wrong with the integrated gpu, provided it can have drivers.
[19:54] <Joral> Ben64, how difficult do you think it would be to get the ppa working, and would it conflict with the lowlatency kernel?
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: I guess what I'm confused on is why the attempt to target *-304? Did they drop support for that GPU in later versions?
[19:54] <Ben64> Joral: 2/10
[19:55] <Ben64> although you may still have issues running things with a card that old
[19:55] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, yes 304 is last version with support for geforce 6 series gpus
[19:55] <ioria> Joral, the errors you got from ppa might be useful
[19:57] <Joral> ioria, give me a couple, i was already booted into the install media. rebooting into 18.04 now
[19:58] <ioria> Joral, sy, i'am leaving , good people will help you
[19:58] <Joral> ioria, k thanks for the help.
[19:58] <ioria> ok
[19:58] <Joral> Ben64, looks like your up lol
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: The reason I ask is because I'm using a 6 series Nvidia GPU and have the latest version installed without any issues
[20:03] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, are you using the 6 series or the 600 series?
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> 600
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> I can't tell ... it's OEM
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> GTX 645
[20:03] <Joral> yeah thats a 600 series not a 6 series
[20:03] <Joral> mine is the OLD 6150
[20:04]  * pragmaticenigma Wishes Nvidia and the rest would stick to one numbering system 
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: I have older cards, but have not attempted nvidia driver install for them. As the older ones are in machines where I don't need to leverage the extra features, just need a display
[20:05] <Joral> what is the prefered way for me to paste the output from the ppa install
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> !paste
[20:06] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, i have never once had a nouveau install that didn't have screen artifacts even without needing graphics features
[20:08] <Joral> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/svVmw4MGkn/
[20:09] <phocking> hmm
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: Does this machine have Xserver installed? or is thie a CLI only
[20:09] <phocking> hey guys i was having a hard time with a server getting its filesystem full so i nuked it and am trying to make bigger filesystems at install
[20:09] <phocking> can i not have /usr /var and all that on a lvm?
[20:10] <phocking> it seems im really mucking something up
[20:10] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, xserver is installed, its a kubuntu install. (trying to have a semi familiar interface for my step dad in his wood shop)
[20:10] <katamo> phocking, shot in the dark but can you run the command:
[20:10] <katamo> `sudo ubuntu-drivers list`
[20:10] <katamo> And share the output?
[20:11] <phocking> it dropped to initramfs
[20:11] <phocking> so i need to start the install over
[20:11] <phocking> which is no big deal i guess
[20:11] <phocking> the volume is a perc volume and i know that the os can see it because it will install with defaults on there fine
[20:12] <phocking> but when i tried to set up lvm is where i ran into problems most likely due to my own lack of experience and knowledge
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: bummer is... first result I found for that issue... is compile it yourself
[20:15] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, now given the "graphical" nature of the nvidia.run file, i have no idea how I would paste that to you and I suspect that may be pushing the scope of this channel.
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: most post screen shots to imgr (assuming they're stable again)
[20:16] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, im on cli until i get drivers installed
[20:16] <Joral> first step of installing nvidia driver is removing nouveau lol
[20:18] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, i can paste the logfiles if that would help?
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1763648
[20:18] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, so 16.04?
[20:19] <Joral> and rebuild linuxcnc a 3rd time lol
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: 16.04 or grab a cheep card from the local computer shop?
[20:19] <Ntemis> hi
[20:20] <Ntemis> need help
[20:20] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, can we confirm nvidia-304 is in 16.04?
[20:20] <Ben64> Joral: can you pastebin 'apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core'
[20:20] <Ntemis> am facing a bug in bionic
[20:21] <Ntemis> i have disks open and formatting a hdd and same time i tried to upgrade bionic through apt and for the last 30 min i am seeing this line and is stuck there "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-33-generic"
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | Ntemis
[20:21] <Ntemis> now what?
[20:21] <Ntemis> do i fc terminal?
[20:21] <Joral> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bS59SqH2Jf/
[20:22] <Ben64> Joral: install that, it provides what nvidia needs
[20:22] <Ntemis> also my hdd is been spinning since then
[20:23] <Ntemis> i need to stop the upgrade so it settles down a bit
[20:23] <Ntemis> what i do?
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> Ntemis: STOP
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | Ntemis
[20:23] <Joral> Ben64, its already installed
[20:23] <Ben64> Joral: weird
[20:24] <prawnsalad> hi, my keyboard layout does not match the input source i have configured, the image map does not match what i type. how can i change this to be correct?
[20:25] <Joral> Ben64, this is actually the same issue i found in the linuxcnc build. package names changed and while the new versions are backwards compatible, the naming conventions broke the package manager
[20:25] <Ntemis> maybe disks utility has ownership over /boot/initramfs?
[20:26] <Ben64> Joral: i don't think that's the issue here, but it's weird for sure
[20:27] <Joral> Ben64, if i try to install xorg-video-abi-23 (the newest version of the missing dependency) then apt installs xserver-xorg-core but does not mark xorg-video-abi-23 as installed
[20:27] <Ntemis> so.. i stopped disks and i close terminal and now i get this
[20:27] <Ntemis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:27] <Ntemis> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:28] <Ntemis> when i try to upgrade again
[20:28] <Ntemis> now what?
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> Joral: The majority of the web forums I've parsed through have all had their owners result in going out and getting a newer supported card. The going belief is the the newer builds of xserver don't have a supporting library the -304 requires
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> Ntemis: I asked you already to have patience. If someone is available and understands your problem... they will speak up.
[20:29] <tomreyn> Ntemis: when you said that you were 'upgrading bionic', were you installing pending updates or doing a release upgrade?
[20:29] <Joral> Ben64, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/42SsY5pg9m/
[20:29] <Ntemis> pending
[20:29] <Ben64> Joral: gonna try in a 18.04 vm
[20:29] <tomreyn> Ntemis: do you mean "i installed pending updates"?
[20:29] <Ntemis> yes
[20:30] <Ntemis> am on bionic atm
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64: How are you going to install the -304 driver in a VM?
[20:30] <tomreyn> Ntemis: thanks for clarifying, please respond in full sentence where possible.
[20:30] <Joral> pragmaticenigma, im sure a new card would render this problem irrelevent yes, but the $ renders that solution irrelevent lol
[20:30] <Ntemis> software updater tells me "waiting for apt get to exit"
[20:30] <Ben64> pragmaticenigma: apt
[20:30] <tomreyn> Ntemis: run this on a temrinal: sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:31] <Ntemis> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
[20:31] <Ntemis>       Output information may be incomplete.
[20:31] <Ntemis> COMMAND   PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF    NODE NAME
[20:31] <Ntemis> dpkg    21477 root    3uW  REG   8,67        0 4335552 /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:31] <madLyfe> so im using unetbootin to burn iso to usb, it says its going to use drive /dev/sde1, how do i verify that is the correct drive to use? what is the cli command? i thought lsusb but thats not it.
[20:32] <tomreyn> !paste | Ntemis
[20:32] <Joral> Ben64, you just love that I always bring you the most obscure issues don't you lol
[20:33] <tomreyn> Ntemis: this dpkg process is probably leftover from when you force closed the temrinal window where the update was taking place.
[20:33] <Ntemis> bash: !pastebinit: event not found
[20:33] <tomreyn> Ntemis: just read what ubottu told you
[20:34] <tomreyn> Ntemis: you can now: sudo kill 21477; sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:34] <Ntemis> tomreyn: i had to run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:34] <tomreyn> Ntemis: does this still report some command  and PID is having a lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[20:35] <Ntemis> now is stuck again at the same line
[20:35] <Ntemis> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-33-generic <-stuck!
[20:35] <tomreyn> Ntemis: "dpkg --configure -a" would have been the next step after making sure that there i no more a process running with a lock on the dpkg lock file.
[20:35] <tomreyn> Ntemis: you need more patience.
[20:36] <Ntemis> ok
[20:36] <Ntemis> i stop it again?
[20:36] <tomreyn> why?
[20:36] <Ntemis> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-33-generic <-stuck!
[20:36] <tomreyn> does it take considerably longer than usually?
[20:36] <Ntemis> yeah
[20:36] <Ntemis> like forever
[20:36] <tomreyn> open a new terminal and type: df -h | pastebinit
[20:37] <tomreyn> it's been 2 or 3 minutes, that's barely 'forever'
[20:37] <Ntemis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DXMs5Sjv3J/
[20:38] <Ntemis> how much time is forever?
[20:38] <tomreyn> Ntemis: okay, if the initrd is still waiting to be generated then ctrl-c it now, and post the entire command you were running and the output it generated
[20:38] <Ntemis> yeap still running
[20:39] <Ntemis> didnt understand what i need to do now
[20:39] <Ntemis> ctrl-c ok then what?
[20:39] <tomreyn> please copy and paste the output of the command you ran and the output returned by it. the command which resulted in the initrd generator hanging.
[20:39] <Ntemis> ctrl-c didnt stop it
[20:40] <tomreyn> press ctrl-c multiple times if needed
[20:40] <Ntemis> this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YBPDPJq25H/
[20:41] <tomreyn> right
[20:41] <tomreyn> Ntemis: so it's still running, ok. can you just press enter there 2 time
[20:41] <tomreyn> s
[20:41] <tomreyn> Ntemis: does that bring back the shell prompt?
[20:41] <Ntemis> i did nothing happenned
[20:42] <Ntemis> just moved the curson a few line down
[20:42] <tomreyn> Ntemis: in a separate terminal, run: dmesg | pastebinit
[20:42] <Ntemis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cm3x2pMWpF/
[20:43] <tomreyn> on that same temrinal, run: ps auxw | grep dpkg | pastebinit
[20:43] <A|an> ubuntu mate 18.01...when I click on the trash icon at the lower right of the screen, to open trash, vlc starts trying to open in a spasm...does anyone know how to fix this?
[20:45] <Ntemis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DYdKmYJ9dW/
[20:45] <madLyfe> DBAN is just trying aut automatic boot over and over again
[20:46] <Ntemis> terminal is still stuck at that line, do i close the terminal?
[20:46] <tomreyn> Ntemis: there are problems with the ntfs file system on sdc1. i suggest you unmount it, then run a file system check on it: umount /media/demetris/80433aeb-234a-46cd-bd78-9f5399d4a91b ; sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdc1
[20:46] <Ntemis> sure
[20:47] <Ben64> Joral: everything explodes if i install 304 on 18.04 :(
[20:47] <tomreyn> Ntemis: there's no use in closing a temrinal, it wont stop the child process, which will remain stuck. all that you loose it knoweledge on whether the child process exited and what it reported in doing so.
[20:47] <Ntemis> i see
[20:48] <Ntemis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9rjXjbjc7V/
[20:48] <Ntemis> you meant sda1?
[20:48] <tomreyn> Ntemis: ntfsfix does not a full ewuivalent of windows chkdsk, there is no proper equivalent for linux, you will need to run a fiule system check on this drive on windows before using it on linux again.
[20:49] <Ntemis> sdc1 is linux
[20:49] <Ntemis> thats why
[20:49] <tomreyn> Ntemis: according to http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DXMs5Sjv3J/ /dev/sdc1 is / was mounted at /media/demetris/80433aeb-234a-46cd-bd78-9f5399d4a91b
[20:50] <tomreyn> oh right it's ext4, sorry
[20:50] <Ntemis> np
[20:50] <Joral> Ben64, so will it work on 16.04
[20:50] <Ntemis> and now what do i do?
[20:51] <Ntemis> ah proccess stop
[20:51] <Ntemis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/73Dc3srTQK/
[20:51] <tomreyn> Ntemis: what do you mean by "process stop"?
[20:52] <Ntemis> see log ctl-c worked
[20:52] <Ntemis> and now what do i do?
[20:52] <tomreyn> i see. can you patebinit /etc/fstab
[20:52] <tomreyn> *paStebinit
[20:52] <Ntemis> sure
[20:53] <Ntemis> i have only one line: UUID=939a2b17-c580-4b60-aa24-e09bb2f9d372 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[20:53] <Joral> Ben64, also is there a way to downgrade, or do i have to do a fresh install?
[20:54] <tomreyn> Ntemis: that's probably fine. take a look at lines 864 and following of http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cm3x2pMWpF/
[20:55] <tomreyn> Ntemis: this was dmesg, which is the kernel ring buffer (kernel log)
[20:55] <tomreyn> Ntemis: these hung tasks aren't great, should not normally happen. i suggest you reboot and dont mount your ntfs devices this time
[20:56] <Ntemis> if i reboot am i bootable at this state?
[20:56] <guite> hello, could anyone help me with rsync ?
[20:56] <guite> (tell me if wrong chan :) )
[20:56] <Bashing-om> !ask | guite
[20:56] <guite> I have this error :
[20:57] <tomreyn> Ntemis: in case the boot fails, reboot again and access grub menu by holding down shift or repeatedly pressing escape during boot, then select 'advanced (options for ubuntu)' then the second newest kernel.
[20:57] <guite> guite@guite-X550LN [22:52:45] [~]
[20:57] <guite> -> % rsync -n /media/guite/Stockage/Backup/ guite@192.168.1.21:/users/guite/Backup/
[20:57] <guite> Permission denied, please try again.
[20:57] <guite> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
[20:57] <guite> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(226) [sender=3.1.1]
[20:57] <tomreyn> !paste | guite
[20:58] <guite> ooooooh… I’m so sorry :(
[20:58] <guite> I did the bad thing but anyway -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BhT2BNxX59/
[20:58] <tomreyn> Ntemis: i have no reason to assume that you cannot generally boot at this time, juts booting the latest (now default) kernel may fail.
[20:59] <Ntemis> ok
[20:59] <Ntemis> ty
[21:01] <katamo> blackflow RE: Kernel Typo on Dell Documentation. Its fixed ;)
[21:01] <katamo> blackflow https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln306327/manual-nomodeset-kernel-boot-line-option-for-linux-booting?lang=en
[21:09] <Joral> Ben64, I think im going to go for broke and install 16.04, unless your still working on a solution?
[21:12] <Ben64> Joral: i'm now working on lunch, 16.04 is probably your best bet, but i think you'll still be sad with the performance of that card
[21:33] <n-iCe> Hello, how do you guys install flash support for chromium?
[21:34] <n-iCe> found sudo apt install adobe-flashplugin browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[21:34] <n-iCe> let's try
[21:35] <n-iCe> worked
[21:44] <katamo> n-iCe +1
[21:44] <hans_> did 14.04 use grub 2.xx or 1.xx ?
[21:45] <hans_> (by default as installed by the ubuntu installer)
[21:51] <tomreyn> hans_: i think 14.04 on amd64 + i686 used grub2(-common) by default, but not certain. why do you ask?
[21:51] <phocking> hmmm
[21:51] <phocking> i added this ppa and can't install openjdk-8-jdk
[21:52] <tomreyn> phocking: which ubuntu release, which ppa?
[21:52] <phocking> 18.04 ppa:openjdk-r/ppa
[21:52] <nacc> phocking: you don't need a ppa to install openjdk-8-jdk on ubuntu 18.04
[21:53] <phocking> well it is failing after i did apt update
[21:53] <phocking> phocking@nms:/mnt$ sudo apt install openjdk-8-jdk
[21:53] <nacc> phocking: that doesn't make what i said any different
[21:53] <phocking> E: Unable to locate package openjdk-8-jdk
[21:53] <nacc> phocking: that ppa is for developers to test their uploads
[21:53] <hans_> tomreyn, making a tutorial on how to instal a clean OS from a shitty vps-provider-provided OS template.. and the first step is adding a linux kernel in /boot (the linux obtained from mini.iso) and modify grub to boot to it, i have access to a 16.04 template at the VPS provider but i believe some older customers only have access to 14.04 templates, somethingsomething
[21:53] <nacc> phocking: you understand that, right?
[21:54] <phocking> nacc: no i don't
[21:54] <phocking> a howto suggested using that ppa
[21:54] <nacc> phocking: what howto?
[21:54] <phocking> logstash won't work with java 9+
[21:54] <hans_> tomreyn, (by `shitty os template` i mean `the /boot partition is 100MB and breaks booting the first time you run `apt update; apt dist-upgrade;` because the OS template's /boot partition is 100 mb and..somethingsomething)
[21:54] <phocking> https://docs.datastax.com/en/cassandra/3.0/cassandra/install/installOpenJdkDeb.html
[21:54] <nacc> phocking: there is no openjdk-8-jdk binary for 18.04 in that ppa
[21:55] <Bashing-om> !info grub-pc trusty | hans_
[21:55] <tomreyn> hans_: do you know debootstrap?
[21:55] <nacc> phocking: that's a terrible howto
[21:55] <phocking> nacc how do i get java8 then?
[21:55] <hans_> tomreyn, barely, but that is not needed here
[21:55] <nacc> phocking: don't use a ppa and just install it.
[21:55] <nacc> phocking: any tutorial you read that doens't tell you what version of ubuntu or debian it applies to is useless.
[21:55] <phocking> i just showed you the output from trying to do that
[21:55] <foul_owl> Is there a clipboard manager like glipper but allows sticky entries?
[21:56] <nacc> phocking: with the ppa installed or without?
[21:56] <tomreyn> hans_: okay, just wondering. whether or not using grub2 is going to work can depends on the VPS type and model.
[21:56] <phocking> do i need to uninstall the ppa?
[21:56] <nacc> phocking: i have no idea currently. On my 18.04 system it works fine to install the package.
[21:56] <nacc> phocking: if you would liek to use a pastebin, please provide the output of `apt-cache policy opendjk-8-jdk` ?
[21:57] <nacc> phocking: also purge that ppa because it is 100% not what you want/need.
[21:57] <tomreyn> hans_: e.g. if it's stone age xen pv (which some sites still run) then you either need no grub at all or grub1 instead.
[21:58] <hans_> tomreyn, well i know the 16.04 vps use grub2, and the vm is VMWare-something-based, but i'm investigating now
[21:58] <tomreyn> hans_: i suspect vmware does full HV, so it should not matter what you do (TM)
[21:58] <hans_> idd
[21:59] <phocking> i don't need a pastebin if it is one line, right? N: Unable to locate package openjdk-8-jdk
[22:01] <ahi2> my isc-dhcp-server.service failed to load. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6qDygzcRyH/   any ideas?
[22:01] <Bashing-om> phocking: Is in the universe repo .. do you have that repo enabled in software sources ?
[22:01] <nacc> Bashing-om: phocking and specifically only in -security and -updates, not the release pocket.
[22:01] <nacc> oh wait, it is, just misread1
[22:01]  * tomreyn guesse son ubuntu live server installation
[22:02] <tomreyn> phocking: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo '#####'; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[22:02] <hans_> is the 14.04 repos still up?
[22:02] <nacc> hans_: yes, they are supported until 2019
[22:02] <tomreyn> hans_: sure, it's supported for a couple more months
[22:02] <hans_> thanks
[22:02] <tomreyn> !14.04
[22:02] <nacc> aisrael: it tells you why on line 1027
[22:03] <nacc> aisrael: sorry
[22:03] <nacc> ahi2: --^
[22:03] <nacc> ahi2: also, learn to truncate output to relevant lines. you have ~900 lines of junk.
[22:05] <ahi2> ok ill try to learn
[22:14] <stavros> hello
[22:14] <stavros> something strange is going on: as far as I can see, ubuntu turns off my screen if there's nothing on it
[22:15] <stavros> I have a black background, and as soon as i move the mouse off to another screen, the screen goes dark
[22:15] <stavros> it's not oled, so there's a "darker than black" dark
[22:15] <stavros> is this a thing or am i hallucinating?
[22:15] <stavros> okay yeah it's definitely off, if i move the mouse to it it takes half a second to wake up
[22:16] <stavros> this is on xfce, if it matters
[22:20] <nacc> stavros: is it possibly related to some setting? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Display_blanking ?
[22:20] <nacc> (i know for arch, but the controls may be the same)
[22:21] <stavros> nacc, my current hypothesis is that the screen assumes all-black to be "blank"
[22:21] <stavros> i haven't found a specific control, they're all time-based
[22:23] <nacc> stavros: i guess you could confirm that by changing the background?
[22:23] <nacc> stavros: i don't think DPMS cares about your background, though
[22:23] <nacc> stavros: and it would be a weird hardware design for  your monitor to care
[22:23] <nacc> (at least, IMO)
[22:24] <stavros> nacc, if i change my background, it stops blanking
[22:25] <stavros> if there's any non-black pixel on the screen, it doesn't blank
[22:25] <stavros> only one of the screens does this
[22:26] <nacc> stavros: very strane
[22:26] <stavros> yeah, super strange
[22:26] <stavros> and i can't figure out how to enable it for all screens
[22:40] <bonhoeffer> i’m stuck i can’t install python since there is a problem with python3 minimal
[22:40] <bonhoeffer> https://gist.github.com/tbbooher/95d9ff23ce1fa771b4584198cbb2a87a
[22:49] <tomreyn> i'd dpkg --purge all python3.6* packages and start fresh
[23:14] <Smeef> I'm trying to set up a lampp server to test a PHP framework I'm working on, the initial setup script for the framework needs to create a file called config.php in '/var/www/html/config/'. How do I allow apache to write files to that folder?
[23:16] <tomreyn> Smeef: why would you want to do this?
[23:17] <tomreyn> maybe the frmework should be writing elsewhere?
[23:22] <nacc> tomreyn: they had already left; i think they fubar'd their system, tbh
[23:22] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04 My numlock panel has the numlock light on and has let me log in using numbers in my password..It will now not accept any numbers to use any password in the programs or any other info
[23:23] <Smeef> tomreyn, wordpress does something similar where it creates a file with some basic information about connecting to the mysql database, which is what I'm trying to do. AFIAK, it's best practice to store that file in the config folder in the web directory for easy portability. In any case, I will probably also be uploading and creating files in the web folders using the framework's UI, for testing.
[23:24] <nacc> Smeef: that is ... not best practice, afaict. Why would you want authentication information to be available in your website? What happens when (note, not if), you get hacked?
[23:25] <nacc> texla: what is "it" in the second sentence?
[23:25] <Smeef> I suppose I'll cross that bridge when I get to it, that's another matter I can deal with, for the moment I just need a way for apache to write to that folder and its sub folders
[23:26] <nacc> Smeef: change the permission as appropriate. But I'm fairly sure you are doing something wrong (as far as that framework's installation goes) if you need to do that
[23:26] <texla> nacc None of the numbers from the keep pad can be entered on the screen
[23:27] <nacc> texla: what happens when you press the key? Is your numlock light still activated?
[23:28] <texla> nacc keypad light can be turned off but no keys are usable
[23:28] <Smeef> nacc: I already did 'chmod 777 /var/www/html' but it doesn't seem to be doing anything, I'm fairly new to ubuntu, is there something I'm missing?
[23:28] <nacc> texla: that didn't answer my first question?
[23:28] <nacc> texla: have you tried using `xev` to see if the key presses are seen?
[23:28] <nacc> Smeef: well, that only changes that directory. You would need to modify each directory along the path as well as the file in question, potentially.
[23:28] <nacc> Smeef: but 777 is not a great idea either.
[23:29] <nacc> Smeef: i thought you said you needed the setup script to write into that path? Why does apache need to be able to write there?
[23:33] <texla> nacc, https://pastebin.com/ZyraC0vc
[23:33] <Smeef> nacc, maybe I'm misunderstanding the mechanism, but apache is the web server, the php file that it is serving has a script that generates the file and puts in in the directory in question, wouldn't the server need write access to the directory in order for that process to work?
[23:34] <nacc> Smeef: oh, i read script as something you run on the system, not the php script, sorry.
[23:34] <Smeef> Ah
[23:34] <nacc> texla: it's hard for me to know when you pressed the keys. Can you tell me if xev is noticing your key presses?
[23:36] <texla> nacc, When I run xev from the terminal this is the results  should I be running as some other event
[23:38] <texla> nacc, The keyboard is dead I cannot enter any number to the screen
[23:39] <amazoniantoad> Hi I'm trying to create virtual interfaces, one that is bridged to eth0 and one that isn't bridged to anything. However when I try to bring up these interfaces they fail with return code 1: https://pastebin.com/xLwj3Vc0
[23:39] <amazoniantoad> Can someone tell me what I;m doiing wrong here?
[23:42] <texla> nacc, The keyboard will accept the numbers for my password at login but after login it goes dead
[23:44] <nacc> texla: do you know how to use xev?
[23:45] <nacc> texla: it is tracking every keystroke when the window has focus
[23:45] <amazoniantoad> Wait my file was wrongly pasted, here is the correct interfaces file: https://pastebin.com/57D21Kgm
[23:45] <nacc> texla: so you want to see if your numpad keys are even detected
[23:45] <nacc> texla: the whole keyboard is dead?
[23:45] <texla> nacc no I have never run it accept from the terminal
[23:46] <nosferatuman> I installed the nvidia drivers on my hybrid graphics laptop and after reboot, it shows my graphics driver as intel sandybride mobile, and when i run nvidia-detector it returns none, any ideas on how to troubleshoot?
[23:46] <texla> nacc, Yes after login it is all dead
[23:46] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: What release are you working with ? and desktop or server install?
[23:47] <texla> nacc, Back whenever it was set to activate numlockx
[23:51] <gbellinoz> To whole-disk encrypt an existing disk, am I looking at full-backup, wipe/format/encrypt, full-restore?
[23:51] <rarity_> Hello, I have a problem with alert sound on Ubuntu. I installed communitheme and now when I backspace when there it no text I get the regular ubuntu sound along with my new sound playing both at the same time. I only want one to play, how can I do this?
[23:52] <rarity_> I'm using 18.04LTS
[23:53] <nosferatuman> gbellinoz, there a reason not to just use a local encrypt? In my experience there are fewer issues to deal with using that method
[23:54] <gbellinoz> nosferatuman: I've been using encfs, which is known to have security issues, but it'll keep 99% out.
[23:54] <gbellinoz> Is that what you mean by 'local encrypt'?
[23:54] <nosferatuman> encrypted folder
[23:54] <nosferatuman> instead of full disk
[23:55] <gbellinoz> Yeah, problem is then I have to think about what's left unencrypted... like email, documents, photos...   .config  and caches even have sensitive things in them.
[23:56] <texla> xev
[23:59] <gbellinoz> nosferatuman: what issues have you seen with full-disk?