[00:15] <lyorian> can we change the phabricator link to not suggest weaker passwords on the reset password link.
[00:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T61: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T61#1237
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13T61: Our xscreensaver theme is too old  3]   15lynorian (Lyn Per …], The screensavers themselves, or the login box?
 @TheWendyPower [The screensavers themselves, or the login box?], Both.
[03:33] <wxl> @TheWendyPower hurry! fix them!
[04:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: 2122 [oftc] -GitHub:#lxqt-dev- [libfm-qt] tsujan created revert_fix_info_job from master (+0 new commits): 
[04:24] <wxl>           https://github.com/lxqt/libfm-qt/commits/revert_fix_info_job
[04:24] <wxl> emphasis on revert. wth
[04:29] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's official. it's reverted.
[04:29] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/libfm-qt/commit/3de8c8632e3b969902ff3b5131860a2b674e2e45
 Why?
[04:29] <wxl> from tsjan himself "
[04:29] <wxl> That method wasn't a good idea and had side effects. A real solution should be found"
 Then do the packaging work :)
[04:30] <wxl> huh?
 Remove the patch from our packaging and prepare an upload?
[04:31] <wxl> it's not there unless you added it
[04:31] <wxl> i was going to add it
[04:31] <wxl> remember?
 Ohh
[04:35] <wxl> what version and how are you trying to do it?
[04:36] <wxl> oops
 I have no idea what commands to type to get this backtrace  »>  simple user - it took me years to get to grips with xrandr type commands
[04:54] <wxl> ok where you at in the process?
 I have disabled apport
[04:55] <wxl> ok now install gdb
 done that as well sorry
[04:55] <wxl> ok
[04:56] <wxl> 1s
[04:57] <wxl> gdb lxqt-config-monitor 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-lxqt-config-monitor.txt
[04:57] <wxl> ^^ type that
 done
[04:57] <wxl> you will be put into a (gdb) prompt
 yup
[04:57] <wxl> at that prompt do this:
[04:57] <wxl> handle SIG33 pass nostop noprint
[04:58] <wxl> then this:
[04:58] <wxl> set pagination 0
[04:58] <wxl> then:
[04:58] <wxl> run
[04:58] <wxl> at that point lxqt-config-monitor will start
 yup
[04:58] <wxl> go through the steps necessary to cause a problem
 which will log me off
[04:59] <wxl> ok
[04:59] <wxl> let's get smart here then
[04:59] <wxl> install screen or tmux and we'll do it in that
 ...you're piping it to a text file anyway.
 Right?
[04:59] <wxl> yeah but it might kill the gdb process
 Hmm
[04:59] <wxl> but multiplexing would fix that
 shall we try it as I am here already
 click apply and will be back in a moment
[05:00] <wxl> sure, let's try that and we have a fall back if need be
 brb
 ok three is a txt file but I do not know if it is complete
[05:01] <wxl> probably not
[05:01] <wxl> want to pastebinit?
 yup two ticks
 https://pastebin.com/XAE6EUjA
[05:04] <wxl> yeah that didn't work
[05:04] <wxl> install tmux or screen (i like tmux)
 done tmux
[05:05] <wxl> so run it
[05:05] <wxl> `tmux`
[05:05] <wxl> and then do over what we did before
 nothing apprear to happen ? when I type tmux in a terminal ?
 ok hang on I can see the screen is diff
[05:06] <wxl> yep
 ok I am ready to hit apply in the monitor settings
[05:07] <wxl> do itttttt 
[05:07] <wxl> if you get logged out it's ok
[05:07] <wxl> just come back in and open a terminal and i'll tell you a secret
 ok here
[05:08] <wxl> ok
[05:08] <wxl> now do thi:
[05:08] <wxl> tmux -u2 attach -d
[05:08] <wxl> are you back at your (gdb) prompt?
 just a plain terminal
[05:09] <wxl> huhhhhhhhh
[05:09] <wxl> do this: pgrep gdb
[05:09] <wxl> anything?
 3697
[05:10] <wxl> ok so it's still running
[05:10] <wxl> you did run `tmux attach`????
[05:10] <wxl> in a terminal, obviously
 I did now and we are back to gdp - I read the Q about gdb before actioning command
[05:11] <wxl> ok good
[05:11] <wxl> so now do this at the (gdb) prompt:
[05:11] <wxl> backtrace full
[05:12] <wxl> then:
[05:12] <wxl> info registers
[05:12] <wxl> then:
 reply is no stack
 to backtrace command
[05:12] <wxl> that mighe be bad but we'll see
[05:12] <wxl> x/16i $pc
[05:12] <wxl> thread apply all backtrace
[05:12] <wxl> quit
 the program has no registers now
 ok back to plain terminal
[05:13] <wxl> pastebin that file up
 which file lol
[05:14] <wxl> ~/gdb-lxqt-config-monitor.txt
 https://pastebin.com/RtJYdykh
[05:15] <wxl> sighp
[05:16] <wxl> ok let me do some research
 no probs  :)
 for the record this command also boots you out back to login 'xrandr --output DP-2 --scale 0.8x0.8'
[05:18] <wxl> and any sort of scaling?
 no still on 4k
[05:19] <wxl> what i mean is, if you use different values for the scale do you still have the same problem?
 yeah 1.5 also boots you out
[05:20] <wxl> and 1x1, as weird as it sounds?
 does nothing as it is already at 1:1 scaling
[05:21] <wxl> interesting. add that as a comment to the bug
 will do
 done
[05:23] <wxl> thx
 the next one we will tackle is the failure of steam to load but that will have to be another day :P
[05:25] <wxl> that might be somethint to ask the steam folks about
 it only fails in Lubuntu LXQt though ?
 but I will keep playng  :D
[05:26] <wxl> what about in kubuntu 18.10?
 I will try that now - will dl nightly and install - back a bit later  :)
[05:30] <wxl> hey @ZebedeeBoss in `journalctl` do you find any lines referring to `systemd-coredump`?
 and where is journalctl ?
[05:32] <wxl> `something` is markdown syntax for code, which is to say, it implies you open a terminal and run: something
[05:32] <wxl> in this case i'm suggesting running: journalctl
 ok thanks I will try and remember that
[05:33] <wxl> once you're in it, you should be able to type /systemd-coredump and hit enter to search for it
 iver cdc_ether
[05:35] <wxl> oh hm
[05:35] <wxl> try something like this then:
[05:35] <wxl> journalctl | grep -A 10 systemd-coredump | pastebinit
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZGHFMQsyDd/
[05:36] <wxl> oh
[05:37] <wxl> boo
 back in a bit - have to put the rubbish out for collection :P
 Kubuntu also logs you out when changing the monitor from the Displays tool - fyi
[06:39] <wxl> OoohHH add that too!!!
[06:39] <wxl> that means it ALSO affects their tool
 ooh cancel that - it now appears to be working ok ??
 reboot needed - brb
 ok I knew something kicked you out.    It is when you try and change the screen Resolution that it kicks you out.   Moving the monitors around is fine
 interestingly the xrandr scale command works in kubuntu - so a very mixed bag of results
 but moving onto the steam Q - will install nvidia and test
 Steam installed flawlessley in Kubuntu nightly from the dl .deb file
 @q5sys Thanks for the follow from Trident!
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/76gs8OSi/file_4086.mp4
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower hurry! fix them!], Looking into it. All the documentation I'm finding is OLD... As in for versions <5.0
 I can not access the monitor setup! of the adminstrator error .. how to concert it?
 help
 @luca_aleksandr [I can not access the monitor setup! of the adminstrator error .. how to concert …], This channel is not for support.
 See https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support for that.
 @TheWendyPower [Looking into it. All the documentation I'm finding is OLD... As in for versions …], 👍👍👍👍👍
[19:04] <wxl> anyone have a cifs volume that they could try to reproduce bug 1790924?
 @wxl [<wxl> anyone have a cifs volume that they could try to reproduce bug 1790924?], What in the heck is a CIFS volume? 😆
[20:30] <wxl> @tsimonq2: smb..... 1 ewwwww
 @wxl [<wxl> anyone have a cifs volume that they could try to reproduce bug 1790924?], I can see them
[21:32] <wxl> @HMollerCl following the same procedure of manually mounting in the terminal in 16.04?
 no, wait, can't see it
 but I'm not sure if they are ment to be seen
[21:34] <wxl> sorry i meant 18.04. they claim it works with 16.04 but not 18.04
[21:35] <wxl> ooh i have a thought
 I'm not sure I saw it in 16.04
 but, I normally mount it in fstab
[21:36] <wxl> if you go to preferences  > layout and select network, do you see it?
 (wonder how layour is tranlated to spanish)
[21:37] <wxl> uhhhhhhhh
[21:37] <wxl> diseño?
 @wxl What else do you see in layout?
[21:39] <wxl> @HMollerCl https://share.riseup.net/#KqHmnxSboJZvTU0E2IyKWg
[21:39] <wxl> that's 18.04/bionic btw
 aaaaa, ok, Prefrences from pcmanfm
 nope, don't see it
[21:42] <wxl> harumph
 I don't see it in pcmanfm, I always created a "favorite" for them
[21:43] <wxl> could you leave a comment on that bug? i think if you two put your heads together you could probably get to the bottom of this. i don't have a volume really to test
 ok
 My thoghts is that they might be a flag or something, otherwise your swap partition (if you have) woul also appear there
[21:45] <wxl> i have a share at work but i think i have to do some vm networking magic to get it to behave right with it
 @TheWendyPower Do you have any experience with QML (or the willingness to learn the basics)?
 Bug 1790887.
[22:28] <tsimonq2> Bug 1790887.
[22:28] <tsimonq2> bah
[22:28] <wxl> wth
[22:28] <tsimonq2> ikr
 Anyway.
 This is an SDDM theme: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-artwork/browse/ubuntu%252Fcosmic/src/usr/share/sddm/themes/lubuntu/
 (SDDM being the login manager)
 These live in sddm-theme-lubuntu and are installed to sddm-theme-lubuntu
 grr
[22:30] <tsimonq2> uhh bad Telegram is bad
 This: /usr/share/sddm/themes/lubuntu/metadata.desktop
 @tsimonq2 [@TheWendyPower Do you have any experience with QML (or the willingness to learn …], I have no experience, but I am willing to learn.
 @TheWendyPower [I have no experience, but I am willing to learn.], Give it a shot :)
 Maybe play with the values of `/usr/share/sddm/themes/lubuntu/main.qml` in a VM?
 (i.e. log in, modify something, and log out again)
 @tsimonq2 [Give it a shot :)], Sounds good! I just got a small SSD just for this kind of stuff. I'll get Lubuntu loaded up on it.
 Awesome ;)
[23:10] <wxl> @TheWendyPower feel free to ping either one of us if you need help with that. i don't know what your level of experience is with the likes of virtualization and what have you..
[23:10] <wxl> speaking of which i think i'm going to try to figure out x in a container
[23:10] <wxl> oh and @tsimonq2 i started working on trojita
 Sweeeeeeet
 How far you get?
[23:11] <wxl> well, i've compiled it, which is to say i've got the build-depends figured out
[23:11] <wxl> there's some really skeleton packaging that's got a bunch of depends in it that i need to double check are actually necessary
[23:11] <wxl> i've got most of control otherwise sorted out
 You might want to just package the upstream snapshot
 Plus, I'll warn you now: the thing that sucks the most about new packages from scratch is the copyright review.
 You need to look at every. single. file. and note every. single. author as well as license in the debian/copyright file.
[23:13] <wxl> isn't there a tool to help with that?
[23:13] <wxl> btw http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/jkt-gentoo:/trojita/xUbuntu_16.04/
 There's licensecheck but it's super spotty and doesn't show authors iirc.
 Otherwise you still need a manual review.
 It's a waste of freaking time.
[23:13] <wxl> ok well c'est la vie
[23:13] <wxl> the big issue will be getting the technical aspects done
[23:13] <wxl> brb boba run
 boba? XD
[23:14] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_tea
 ooh
 cool
 wxl: Also don't forget to use Git.
 wxl: I just created https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/trojita/ for you.
 Make sure to point Vcs-* et. al at it.
[23:30] <wxl> ah i was using upstream's but that makes more sense