[06:29] <didrocks> good morning
[06:31] <didrocks> ok, gnome-shell .92 is now a valid candidate, pomodoro went in and glibc is ok
[06:32] <didrocks> only blocked by its extensions now:     * amd64: gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-panel, gnome-shell-extension-multi-monitors, gnome-shell-extension-taskbar
[06:32] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:33] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:34] <didrocks> none of the 3 are updated in Debian though
[06:34] <didrocks> Trevinho: when you merged with debian with those Breaks, were you involved in getting them updated?
[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:00] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[07:00] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:13] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:13] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:19] <seb128> lut oSoMoN didrocks
[07:19] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:19] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:19] <duflu> Hello seb128
[07:20] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:21] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:31] <Nafallo> morning guys :-)
[07:34] <didrocks> hey Nafallo
[07:41] <didrocks> (btw, doing gdm3 and gnome-session)
[07:42]  * didrocks still waits for anyone with debian upload rights to sponsor my mutter & gnome-shell branches (see scrollback from yesterday evening) so that we can sync mutter and I can push my gnome-shell merge
[07:44] <seb128> didrocks, speaking of those, the backlog was not clear, you mentioned salsa yesterday but you didn't push anything to it?
[07:45] <seb128> didrocks, https://salsa.debian.org/didrocks-guest has no recent activity
[07:46] <didrocks> seb128: I pushed them to launchpad, that's the link I referenced
[07:47] <didrocks> I can push them to salsa if people don't want just to pull/push
[07:47] <didrocks> (with with the finalize changelog commit that I needed for gnome-shell, having a merge is weird IMHO)
[07:48] <seb128> didrocks, well, it would increase the chance to avoid someone on the Debian side not knowing you did the work and redoing it
[07:48] <seb128> I mentioned it to jbicha yesterday, but he was busy updating the world and started arguing that you did push to Debian since you didn't push to salsa
[07:49] <didrocks> seb128: but if I propose a merge with the finalize commit that I needed to prepare the ubuntu branch, that's not giong to work
[07:49] <seb128> maybe L_aney can pick them up when he gets online
[07:49] <seb128> you mean?
[07:49] <didrocks> well, I needed to prepare ubuntu/master as well
[07:49] <didrocks> for gnome-shell
[07:49] <didrocks> to test it
[07:50] <seb128> mutter is in sync, so if you did that one it should be no issue
[07:50] <didrocks> for this, you git merge from debian
[07:50] <didrocks> but if you do a merge instead of a pull/push, the history differs
[07:50] <didrocks> (a merge in salsa)
[07:50] <seb128> and gnome-shell I would expect the update to be done in debian, including changelog/tagging
[07:50] <didrocks> so, your "rebase" is lying
[07:50] <seb128> and then we merge on top?
[07:50] <didrocks> yeah, but it means, that I have to redo it a second time
[07:50] <didrocks> once it's merged
[07:51] <didrocks> and I couldn't test on ubuntu without merging my WIP debian work
[07:51] <seb128> I see
[07:51] <didrocks> so, basically, we are doing twice the work, and adding delays
[07:52] <didrocks> this is really not motivating
[07:52] <seb128> well, hopefully Laney can review/upload/commit that when he gets online in 10 min
[07:52] <didrocks> that's why I just asked for a pull/push
[07:52] <didrocks> instead of a merge
[07:52] <didrocks> yeah, let's see
[07:52] <seb128> you could probably ask that on salsa as well if you have a merge request
[07:52] <seb128> hopefully people would read and pull instead of just pressing the merge button :p
[07:52] <seb128> but yeah, let's wait for Laney
[07:53] <didrocks> you think people are reading? I'm unsure ;)
[07:53] <didrocks> but yeah, we could try next time
[07:53] <didrocks> anyway, let's see, if we can't pull/push, that means I have to redo the work
[07:53] <didrocks> and so, that the process is even more cumbersome
[08:00] <willcooke> morning gang
[08:01] <duflu> Zoinks
[08:01] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <duflu> sup Laney?
[08:02] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, how are you today?
[08:03] <Laney> alright
[08:03] <Laney> what is the argument?
[08:04] <didrocks> I need someone to pull/push my branches for mutter/gnome-shell to salsa
[08:04] <didrocks> as I already prepared the gnome-shell branch for ubuntu, I would prefer a pull/push to not have to redo the work when remerging the debian package for ubuntu
[08:05] <didrocks> (so, the finalize commit for g-s is already in the branch)
[08:06] <Laney> some complaints about whether the eventual commits in salsa end up different?
[08:06] <Laney> in that case, what problem would another git merge be?
[08:06] <didrocks> it looks weird though via history
[08:06] <didrocks> you say "based on <…>", and then, you remerge from debian with the same version
[08:07] <Laney> right, based on proposed state in debian, that state changes, you merge in those additional changes
[08:07] <Laney> I don't think that's a problem personally
[08:07] <Laney> actually it seems like the right representation of the history
[08:07] <didrocks> sounds like a hard to read history to me
[08:07] <Laney> ok, sorry but I don't want another git argument
[08:09] <seb128> oh git, we should write songs about it ;)
[08:10] <didrocks> Laney: still able to sponsor though?
[08:10] <Laney> can look
[08:10] <didrocks> thx!
[08:11] <didrocks> the branches are on launchpad, I can push them on salsa if you prefer and copy paste what I wrote
[08:12] <Laney> I am really clear in saying that there is no 'redo the work' in case I change anything or even merge the commits with a merge commit though, you simply merge an additional time and the history is correct in describing what happened
[08:12] <Laney> this is what I advised andyrock to do actually when preparing updates on both sides
[08:12]  * Laney takes a look
[08:12] <Laney> actually let me finish gtk3 first, I started that one yesterday
[08:13] <didrocks> sure
[08:16] <andyrock> seb128: in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1786344 what's simpliefied english?
[08:16] <andyrock> *Simplified English
[08:17] <andyrock> maybe he meant Simplified Chinese?
[08:17] <seb128> yes, I think he does
[08:17] <seb128> I put the chinese description in google translator
[08:17] <seb128> "18.10 Mirror (2018.8.7) Select Simplified Chinese to boot, unable to input Chinese. "
[08:17] <seb128> so yeah, translations error :)
[08:17] <seb128> and hey andyrock!
[08:18] <andyrock> hey :D
[08:18] <andyrock> I was also taking a look to gnome-screenshot 3.30
[08:18] <andyrock> do we still need to carry out the patches for unity?
[08:18] <andyrock> *carry
[08:18] <seb128> "need"
[08:19] <seb128> if we can it's nicer to the unity users
[08:19] <seb128> but it's too much work then we can argue it's not worth the effort
[08:19] <seb128> so depends how difficult it is to rebase those
[08:19] <andyrock> should not be difficult
[08:19] <seb128> better to keep them then I would say
[08:20] <andyrock> now I need to understand which chinese is the simpliefied in the boot menu
[08:20] <andyrock> :D
[08:22] <seb128> I don't think it matter
[08:22] <seb128> the problem is probably true on any locale that requires ibus
[08:22] <seb128> or I would guess that to be the case
[08:24] <andyrock> seb128: but I'm able to type Chinese selecting Intelligent Pinyin in a live
[08:24] <andyrock> let me check how it works in Bionic
[08:24] <seb128> andyrock, well I think the bug is that you shouldn't to go select it, that should be the default
[08:24] <seb128> activated on login
[08:26] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1786344/comments/10 has a bit more details
[08:50] <willcooke> jibel, do you vnc any desktop machines?
[08:50] <willcooke> gnome shell specifcally
[08:58]  * didrocks reboots with new gnome-session & gdm
[09:09] <jibel> willcooke, I don't
[09:09] <jibel> willcooke, why this question?
[09:11] <willcooke> jibel, well...  when ever I try to VNC in to my 18.04 desktop which is running as a server, I just get a black screen.  It always "just worked" before 18.04.  I did some google and found similar problems, but no obvious solution yet
[09:12] <willcooke> jibel, when you get a sec, and you  test?  Someone said it might be caused by the video drivers
[09:12] <willcooke> oh, I might be able to test on my other laptop
[09:12] <willcooke> which is intel
[09:12] <willcooke> I'll do that
[09:13] <didrocks> hum, various imports of upstream/laste and pristine-tar then doesn't match with our launchpad branch… :/
[09:13] <didrocks> some fusion conflicts even
[09:14] <didrocks> seb128: I wonder if that's not related to your merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+git/gnome-session
[09:14] <seb128> didrocks, :-/
[09:15] <seb128> talk to Trevinho about it maybe?
[09:15] <seb128> afaik I just pushed what he had submitted
[09:15] <didrocks> yeah, but I guess the issue is that we imported the same version than debian
[09:15] <didrocks> but then moved forward
[09:15] <didrocks> before reimported
[09:15] <didrocks> so both sides have new commits (with different version), and so, different content
[09:15] <seb128> we did the update in Debian first
[09:15] <didrocks> and git can't know which side to pick
[09:15] <seb128> then merges
[09:15] <didrocks> hum
[09:15] <seb128> iirc
[09:16] <seb128> but maybe Trevinho had both side ready at the same time
[09:16] <seb128> and it got merged using the salsa web ui or something in debian and that created divergence
[09:16] <seb128> I don't remember now
[09:16] <willcooke> jibel, yeah works fine on this other machine.  So I think it could be nouveau
[09:16] <didrocks> could be, anyway, this is a real pb we can get (even if it's maybe a different one this time) ^
[09:17] <seb128> right
[09:17] <seb128> the handle of those branches is a bit tricky
[09:17] <didrocks> I'm going to do a merge --this (or whatever the syntax is) to say to prefer the current version
[09:17] <didrocks> yeah
[09:17] <seb128> unsure at this point how we could improve that though
[09:17] <didrocks> it wasn't done for having different distros using the same branch IMHO
[09:18] <didrocks> but we can't switch in and out
[09:18] <didrocks> tricky
[09:18] <willcooke> jibel, correction - it's Radeon
[09:19] <willcooke> jibel, which rather scuppers my plans to try a different driver
[09:23] <duflu> willcooke, are you using gnome-shell's native remote desktop or a legacy VNC server? If the latter then it probably won't work in (X)Wayland sessions, and will show all black
[09:25] <duflu> Because no external VNC server can read/see the desktop in Wayland, probably
[09:26] <willcooke> duflu, I tried both
[09:26] <willcooke> and I'm using the X session
[09:26] <willcooke> I now think that it's not "a black screen"
[09:26] <duflu> Very dark grey?
[09:27] <willcooke> I ran xev and moved the mouse around on the whole screen and xev saw nothing at all
[09:27] <willcooke> duflu, lol
[09:27] <willcooke> I might have to get a screen out of the loft and plug it in, maybe there is something on the screen like "do you want to allow...."
[09:29] <duflu> Actually I don't even know if gnome-shell's native remote desktop support is finished/enabled/built yet
[09:29] <duflu> When I build mutter myself it always says "no"
[09:29] <willcooke> It works using the built in one on my intel based laptop
[09:30] <duflu> Cool. I am probably just missing build-deps
[09:30] <jamesh> does VNC send mouse movement when no buttons are pressed?  It's been ages since I've looked at the protocol
[09:30] <willcooke> jamesh, erm, yes I think so, but I will confirm
[09:31] <willcooke> well, I can see the mouse moving around on the laptop when I move it via vnc, so I would assume yes
[09:31] <jamesh> that'd be client related rather than server related, either way
[09:32] <willcooke> ah right
[09:32] <duflu> I doubt it. The client would be able to detect any local errors. The client can't detect the difference between a server that's meant to be reporting a black screen and one that's not
[09:37] <Trevinho> didrocks: mhmh... Normally to avoid this I always made sure debian side merged through same thing then merging with Ubuntu... But it's possible that some diversion happens and it's why I wanted some time ago wanted to discuss how to handle it
[09:38] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, it's an annoying thing we didn't anticipate
[09:38] <didrocks> Trevinho: btw, did you see my questions about the 3 extensions, were there any coordination (apart from the bug filing) in debian side to update the extensions?
[09:39] <didrocks> as right now, .92 is stuck in proposed due to this (breaks: other-extensions)
[09:39] <didrocks> (pomodoro is synced btw, and the autopkgtest works)
[09:53] <Trevinho> didrocks: nope, I didn't do anything on extensions... Maybe I should had 😢
[09:54] <Trevinho> And that problem... I did anticipate but I was blamed for trying to handle the problems before they were a reality
[09:54] <didrocks> hum, I hope that those 3 upstreams we are blocked on released patches
[09:54] <didrocks> but we need to package it, and it's in sync in debian
[09:54] <didrocks> would be quicker for someone to do it directly in Debian and upload
[09:55] <didrocks> rather than diverging (or waiting for Debian to review the patches, waiting with gnome-shell blocked in -proposed meanwhile…)
[10:08] <Laney> it would be an option to kick them out to proposed
[10:35] <Laney> hmm, I can't type compose characters into my terminal
[10:35] <Laney> this is a problem for certain of my passphrases that I need to be able to type to upload /o\
[10:36] <Laney> ok, I can paste them, but still ;_;
[10:37] <Laney> didrocks: I think they wanted 3.30 to go to unstable, so do you want to update the branch for that or should I do it?
[10:37]  * Laney has done mutter already
[10:38] <Laney> but not gnome-shell (yet)
[10:56] <Trevinho> Laney: didier had https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/ but from what I see there was no patches refresh yet, or did I miss the commit?
[10:57] <Laney> probably no updates were needed
[10:57] <Laney> those are the best kind of updates
[10:58] <Laney> I'll just get to work on merging exp into master for debian
[11:16] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell <- that's ubuntu/master with the new debian/master merged in
[11:17] <Laney> only difference is the commit I made to update references to exp branch & watch file
[11:19] <xnox> jibel, what are the rules around utah? whoever spots a bug, gets to fix it?
[11:20] <xnox> i see this change: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~utah/utah/dev/revision/1126
[11:20] <xnox> however in https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Desktop/job/ubuntu-cosmic-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/88/console
[11:20] <xnox> I see
[11:20] <xnox> UTAH exception: initrd file does have have gz or lz extension: /var/lib/utah/vm/utah_vm_G1kh05lzIYOIe4qu/tmpf2NIif/initrd
[11:21] <xnox> i wonder if UTAH is getting confused by are multi-initrd which has initrd, intel microcode, and amd microcode archives.
[12:08] <didrocks> Laney: sounds good, thanks!
[12:08] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, no patch refresh needed
[12:14] <jibel> xnox, this one is fixed but there is another issue where the image fails to reboot after installation
[12:14] <jibel> xnox, heber is on it
[12:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah, ok... as I thought something went in, but I guess it's post .30 then
[12:42] <Trevinho> didrocks:  can you merge this in the mean time https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/354321?
[12:42] <Trevinho> I don't want to do the release now though, just leave unreleased as I prefer to wait 3.28.4
[12:43] <Trevinho> or maybe we can do  an upload just with the search fixes? seb128 mentioned that, but if we go with an official point release is quite easy to verify anyway
[12:46] <xnox> ok
[12:48] <didrocks> Trevinho: well, we need first to be released to cosmic
[12:49] <didrocks> your patch*
[12:49] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, sure but for the VCS we can still merge, then in case we change there, I mentioned just not to do back and froth with branches around, but as you prefer
[12:49] <didrocks> Trevinho: sure, I meant, in case you want to release it
[12:50] <Trevinho> sure sure... Although seb mentioned sometimes that is fine when a things i "on the way for sure", but I'm not rushing on releasing
[12:50] <didrocks> I guess there is no urgency, let me just merge it
[12:51] <Trevinho> exactly no urgency... just prefer not to loose track of things
[12:51] <Trevinho> I'm preparing other components too, while for calculator I'm also updating to .2
[12:51] <didrocks> Trevinho: done
[12:52] <Trevinho> ta
[13:17] <Laney> didrocks: do you want me to upload gnome-shell?
[13:17] <Trevinho> didrocks: for gnome-calculator, the SRU can I merge on debian 3.28.2-1 first (no feature changes https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T3wQfD7wnf/) and then apply that patch or I should just merge with updated upstream and do the versioning side alone? As since debian didn't really change anything I guess i can proceed this way, no?
[13:17] <didrocks> Laney: to debian? Please do, I can handle the mutter sync + gnome-shell upload to cosmic
[13:18] <didrocks> Trevinho: agreed, if the diff are minor and fix issues, I see no reason to separate your fix and the maintenance release upload
[13:19] <Laney> didrocks: no, to cosmic, since I re-merged, but feel free to handle
[13:19] <Laney> unstable is done done done
[13:20] <Trevinho> didrocks:  need to do the classic merged with debian line though, right?
[13:20] <didrocks> Laney: oh, feel free to upload if you prefer
[13:20] <didrocks> I have no strong opinion :)
[13:21] <didrocks> Trevinho: unsure what is the classic merged? ;)
[13:21] <Trevinho> remaining changes...
[13:22] <didrocks> Trevinho: depends on the release team, they don't really like extra diff not fixing bugs, but if you can convince them…
[13:22] <Laney> should probably wait for the accepted emails from dak
[13:23] <didrocks> Laney: still unsure, you are handling it? (I'm fine with that, you did the commits on top…)
[13:23] <didrocks> ok yaru snap "fixed" ;)
[13:23] <Laney> sure!
[13:23] <didrocks> thx ;)
[13:23] <didrocks> next upstream release -> I'll sync a cosmic upload before UIF
[13:23] <Laney> yaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuu
[13:24] <Laney> autopkgtest for autopilot-gtk/1.4+15.10.20150826-0ubuntu1: amd64: Regression ♻ , arm64: Regression ♻ , armhf: Regression ♻ , i386: Regression ♻ , ppc64el: Regression ♻ , s390x: Regression ♻
[13:24] <Laney> :<
[13:26] <didrocks> flaky tests for sure and you just got unlucky :p
[13:26] <didrocks> (or should play to $$$ game)
[13:27] <Laney> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/autopilot-gtk/cosmic/amd64
[13:27] <Laney> really unlucky!
[13:28] <didrocks> 0, 1… it's quite close still!
[13:28] <Laney> still stuck behind glibc anyway
[13:28] <didrocks> are you sure? gnome-shell doesn't show it being stuck anymore by it
[13:29] <Laney> oh no glib2.0
[13:29] <didrocks> ah ;)
[13:29] <Laney> but I didn't sync that so I'm not feeling too responsible for getting that to go in right now :-)
[13:30] <didrocks> heh
[13:30] <didrocks> wdyt we should do for gnome-shell?
[13:30] <didrocks> (regarding extensions)
[13:30] <Laney> kill them to cosmic-proposed
[13:31] <didrocks> it means that if we didn't look at it, there are some chances that dashtopanel and other aren't installable
[13:31] <Laney> they won't be in the release, that's right
[13:31] <Laney> same as what'll happen in debian
[13:31] <didrocks> (I don't know if people are using the extension websites or packages)
[13:31] <didrocks> oh, debian may remove them?
[13:31] <Laney> they'll be auto removed from testing
[13:31] <Laney> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-panel
[13:31] <Laney> see the note there
[13:32] <didrocks> interesting
[13:32] <didrocks> ok, so removing them in the release pocket (and not -proposed), yeah mean?
[13:32] <Laney> there's a script demote-to-proposed or something
[13:32] <didrocks> not in ~ubuntu-archive
[13:32] <Laney> which copies to cosmic-proposed and delete from release
[13:33] <Laney> it's in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[13:33] <didrocks> oh, I didn't add it to my $PATH one this laptop…
[13:33]  * didrocks fixes
[13:33] <Laney> should block them in proposed-migration too otherwise they might get copied straight back
[13:33] <didrocks> ok, I'll do that, makes sense
[13:33]  * Laney does
[13:33] <didrocks> oh right ;)
[13:36] <Laney> there
[13:36] <Laney> now it should pick copying gnome-shell rather than the extensions
[13:36] <didrocks> ok, I'm running demote-to-proposed now
[13:37] <Laney> winning
[13:37] <Laney> I'll push gnome-shell to git, will upload once the new one moves over
[13:37] <didrocks> and done! yeah, sounds good to wait for the new one moving now
[13:37] <didrocks> thx Laney
[13:39] <Trevinho> didrocks: spotted another small thing https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+git/gnome-calculator/+merge/354328
[13:40] <Laney> hmm there's already an ubuntu/3.30.0-1ubuntu1 tag there but that's a bit different to what I'm going to upload
[13:40] <Laney> shall I la la la and delete it?
[13:41] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, that was my thing about "need to be redone or pending review in debian", but that's fine, just delete and replace it
[13:41] <Laney> alright
[13:42] <didrocks> Trevinho: merged
[13:43] <didrocks> interesting, I didn't work on calculator, but I see that git push is failing on pristine-tar and upstream/latest and there are conflicts :p
[13:43] <didrocks> weird though, because it seems people used -f rather than merging, it's puzzling
[13:44] <Laney> O_O
[13:50] <Trevinho> didrocks: thanks, also this branch needs to be pulled to ~ubuntu-desktop as there's not a an ubuntu/bionic yet:
[13:50] <Trevinho> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+git/gnome-calculator/+ref/ubuntu/bionic
[13:52] <didrocks> Trevinho: can't we create one so that I can see the diff? ;)
[13:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: yep, just do it with `git checkout -b ubuntu/bionic ubuntu/1%3.28.1-1ubuntu1`
[13:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: so I can prepare the MP
[13:53] <Laney> Trevinho is on the path to upload rights, I like it
[13:54] <Trevinho> not sure I want them :D
[13:54] <didrocks> Trevinho: ubuntu/bionic branch create
[13:54] <didrocks> created*
[13:54] <Trevinho> cool
[13:55] <Trevinho> I could have put the gbp and control commits before the merge... but meeh, I'm lazy now to rebase :)
[13:56] <Trevinho> lots of diff, but actually debian/ diff is small
[13:57] <didrocks> Trevinho: did you have a script for generating the Yaru changelog?
[13:57] <Trevinho> didrocks: mhmhmh, wait
[13:57] <Trevinho> didrocks: `gbp dch` just that
[13:58] <didrocks> interesting ;)
[13:58] <Laney> you have to re-order the entries because it doesn't group by person
[13:58] <didrocks> works well indeed
[13:58] <Laney> bit annoying
[13:58] <didrocks> ah ok Laney
[13:58] <didrocks> thx for mentionning!
[13:58] <Laney> like if it's Laney didrocks Laney, you get two [ Laney ] bits
[13:58] <Trevinho> yep..
[13:58] <didrocks> yep, got you
[13:59] <Trevinho> I mentioned the same last day... need to fix that upstream, laney I saw you already sent a patch to Guido, so you're the good one to ask for fixing that too :)
[14:00] <Laney> nah, bus factor is bad 😌
[14:00] <Trevinho> I think I screwed things in calculator... let me redo it
[14:01] <jbicha> gbp dch --multimaint-merge   you can probably set that in debian/gbp.conf to
[14:01] <jbicha> too
[14:02] <Laney>     --multimaint-merge  Merge commits by maintainer, default is 'False'
[14:02] <Laney> yes
[14:02] <Laney> I just found that :>
[14:03] <Laney> ALSO https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=881467
[14:03] <Laney> the tip in there is going to change my life
[14:04] <Trevinho> oh, lovely... `dch dch debian` for life
[14:04] <Trevinho> s/dch/gbp/
[14:04] <Laney> I've been manually deleting those entries
[14:22] <Trevinho> didrocks: mhmh so https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+git/gnome-calculator/+merge/354330 is the merge, but... there's lot of "garbage" because i think debian introduced to the VCS pre-compiled files, so the issue... however `git diff  debian/3.28.2-1` is what you might look at or `git diff ubuntu/1%3.28.1-1ubuntu1 debian` as the rest is just garbage happened on merging with upstream that is not anymore in
[14:22] <Trevinho> debian/master but was there in debian/3.28.2-1 tree
[14:23] <Laney> ah, interesting, autopilot was relying on some defaults in ambiance
[14:23] <Trevinho> ambiance won't ever change! :)
[14:23] <didrocks> Laney: so, failing for quite a while? But I guess nothing triggered it
[14:23] <didrocks> Trevinho: ok, I'll have a look (maybe later though, testing Yaru for now)
[14:23] <Laney> it fails now that Yaru is default I guess
[14:24] <Trevinho> didrocks: sure, waiting new fresh look :)
[14:24] <Laney> but really it should be setting properties if it wants to test them, not assuming the theme is static
[14:24] <didrocks> waow, the over-amplification is interesting
[14:24]  * didrocks prefers it to default upstream one
[14:24] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, on the other side, they want to test on the default
[14:24] <Trevinho> Laney: what pkgs?
[14:25] <didrocks> what are they relying on?
[14:25] <Laney> assuming some border width is 5
[14:25] <didrocks> ah, yeah, so that's more debatable :)
[14:26] <Laney> it's like "give me all the boxes with this width" to test if selecting works
[14:26] <Laney> but the only reason they had that width was because of the theme
[14:26] <Laney> test's .ui file should set it
[14:27] <didrocks> right
[14:28] <Laney> 👍
[14:38] <Laney> SHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllllllll
[14:44] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks for the xorg minor update, I'm still going to annoy you a bit by mentioning that libxss has a minor update available (https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libxscrnsaver/tags/libXScrnSaver-1.2.3) and libinput/wayland would be nice to update :)
[15:27] <didrocks> taking gnome-getting-started-docs, brain is fried ;)
[15:35] <Laney> was waiting ages for the autopilot-gtk build to finish, turned out my ssh connection to home had frozen /o\
[15:38] <didrocks> "waow, that touch command was taking ageesssssss"
[15:39] <Laney> it was just after starting the testsuite
[15:39] <Laney> which sometimes doesn't output stuff for ages
[15:39] <didrocks> ok, easy to get missed then
[15:39] <Laney> terrible timing :P
[15:39] <didrocks> yep
[15:44] <Laney> 😸 (ok, can paste emoji, new gnome-characters works enough)
[15:52] <willcooke> :)
[15:59] <Trevinho> seb128: do you remember you should redo the upload of https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/350174 ? :)
[16:08] <seb128> Trevinho, yes, I asked you the other day if you could amend the vcs to have the right version if you remember?
[16:09] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, I forgot that bit... But release was fine with such version eventually, no?
[16:12] <seb128> no since they rejected asking to change and reupload
[16:14] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, but then sil corrected: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1782681/comments/3
[16:24] <tjaalton> seb128: the problem with libxss for instance is that it's lacking six years of janitorial pkg maintenance, and the upstream changes are worthless
[16:25] <tjaalton> one manpage typo fix, five autogen cleanup commits, one warning fix
[16:25] <tjaalton> libinput 1.12rc is in a staging ppa, final expected next week
[16:37] <tomreyn> hi, i noticed there is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/current/ - but the name seems to be misleading, it was last built in july.
[16:38] <tomreyn> was this meant to be just a temporary build, is it going to go away soon, or will there likley be dailies, and the build scripts just dont work out, yet?
[16:38] <Laney> They are promoted to that directory when they pass automated testing - I think the QA guys are looking into why it's failing
[16:38] <Laney> the raw daily images end up in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/pending/
[16:39] <tomreyn> thanks Laney!
[16:39] <Laney> no problemo 🤠
[16:46] <seb128> tjaalton, k, thanks, fair enough for libxss I'll mark to ignore for our report (and good to know for libinput)
[16:50] <seb128> Trevinho, reuploaded nautilus bionic
[16:56] <popey> willcooke: kenvandine Wimpress I added a spreadsheet link to our desktop doc we were in. It has some screenshots for some of the apps
[16:56] <kenvandine> popey, thx
[17:07] <willcooke> thanks popey
[17:09] <willcooke> popey, can we get edit rights?
[17:13] <willcooke> on that note, quittin time.  Night all
[17:56] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[17:57] <tjaalton> seb128: wayland uploaded
[18:38] <Laney> looks like my autopilot didn't work properly
[18:38] <Laney> despite having run the autopkgtests locally
[18:38] <Laney> WAH
[18:39] <Laney> oh yeah, it'll need the new gtk :/
[19:20] <seb128> tjaalton, great :)