| * slangasek waves | 15:00 | |
| sil2100 | o/ | 15:00 |
|---|---|---|
| cyphermox | o/ | 15:00 |
| rbalint | o/ | 15:00 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Sep 6 15:01:11 2018 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:01 |
| rcj | o/ | 15:01 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 15:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round | ||
| philroche | \o | 15:02 |
| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke fginther juliank cshep) | 15:03 |
| slangasek | doko tdaitx fginther infinity philroche xnox slangasek cshep juliank Odd_Bloke bdmurray mwhudson sil2100 rbalint cyphermox rcj | 15:03 |
| slangasek | doko: are you at your computer? | 15:03 |
| philroche | slangasek: We need to add tobijk & aleks_bogdanov | 15:03 |
| slangasek | philroche: I was giving them a pass for their first meeting :) | 15:03 |
| philroche | Welcome tobijk & aleks_bogdanov :) | 15:03 |
| slangasek | tdaitx: | 15:04 |
| rcj | slangasek: and cshep | 15:04 |
| slangasek | fginther: | 15:06 |
| fginther | * Out one day for national holiday | 15:06 |
| fginther | * Finished work to improve the alignment of an image | 15:06 |
| fginther | * Finished work and merged cloud-init ssh config unit tests | 15:06 |
| fginther | * Revising a specification document related to partner image publication | 15:06 |
| fginther | * Cloud image build system vanguarding | 15:06 |
| fginther | ✔ done | 15:06 |
| fginther | infi<tab> | 15:06 |
| fginther | not here I guess | 15:06 |
| fginther | philroche: | 15:06 |
| philroche | * Onboarding new team members. Welcome chep, tobijk & aleks_bogdanov :) | 15:06 |
| philroche | * Cloud image modifications | 15:06 |
| philroche | (done) | 15:06 |
| philroche | xnox: | 15:06 |
| xnox | * continued work on zkey enablement | 15:07 |
| xnox | * s390-tools fix up #1790831 | 15:07 |
| xnox | * tboot point release / fixes ftbfs / fixes stuck in proposed & | 15:07 |
| xnox | migration to ssl1.1 #1731097 | 15:07 |
| xnox | * kexec-tools migrated #1783086 as well as cryptsetup & systemd | 15:07 |
| xnox | .. | 15:07 |
| xnox | done | 15:07 |
| slangasek | * short week, Labor Day | 15:08 |
| slangasek | * SRUs (shim, grub, nvidia) | 15:08 |
| slangasek | * proposed-migration: | 15:08 |
| slangasek | * helped shepherd glibc through | 15:08 |
| slangasek | * tracing various maintenance issues with autopkgtest runners | 15:08 |
| slangasek | * misc autopkgtest fixes | 15:08 |
| slangasek | * still working to get nvidia packages for clouds into their final form | 15:08 |
| slangasek | (done) | 15:08 |
| slangasek | cshep seems to be unavailable at the moment | 15:09 |
| slangasek | juliank: | 15:09 |
| juliank | * Fixed aptitude for boost1.67 transition (multi_index_container behavior change in 1.66) | 15:09 |
| juliank | * Fixed packagekit crashing in providesCodec (LP: #1790671) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1790671 in packagekit (Ubuntu Bionic) "/usr/lib/packagekit/packagekitd:11:std::__cxx11::basic_string:AptIntf::providesCodec:backend_what_provides_thread:pk_backend_job_thread_setup:g_thread_proxy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1790671 | 15:09 |
| juliank | * Fixed PEP8 regression in yesterday's update-manager blocking transition | 15:09 |
| juliank | * Started investigating the shim loading grub via iPXE in qemu (bug 1789319) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1789319 in shim (Ubuntu) "Unable to load shimx64.efi using iPXE over UEFI" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1789319 | 15:09 |
| juliank | * Started working on manpage changes for networkctl & networkd-dispatcher to explain states (bug 1787495) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1787495 in networkd-dispatcher (Ubuntu) "no explanation for the events in the networkd-dispatcher manpage" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1787495 | 15:09 |
| juliank | * Discussed how to make less packages manually installed | 15:09 |
| juliank | * Discussed apt/security/landscape interactions | 15:09 |
| juliank | (d0n3) | 15:09 |
| slangasek | Odd_Bloke: | 15:10 |
| slangasek | Odd_Bloke may be unavailable | 15:11 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: | 15:11 |
| xnox | hey | 15:16 |
| xnox | nothing at all | 15:16 |
| xnox | just bdmurray: and then me.... | 15:16 |
| sil2100 | No Brian? | 15:16 |
| sil2100 | Should I go? | 15:16 |
| juliank | technical issues | 15:17 |
| xnox | sil2100, he is in the hangout | 15:17 |
| sil2100 | Ah, hangout! | 15:17 |
| bdmurray | worked with webops regarding transition of daisy to mojo env | 15:17 |
| bdmurray | email to juliank re: u-r-u apt error string matching | 15:17 |
| bdmurray | investigation into why team to package mapping hadn't been updated | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | discussion with jdstrand re ubuntu-security-bugs team and pkg subscriptions | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | submitted RT re daisy-app server log rotation | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | submitted RT re rabbitmq server and graphite failing again | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | duplicate bug consolidation for LP: #1789879 | 15:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1789879 in msttcorefonts (Ubuntu) "Installation error with ttf-mscorefonts-installer_3.7ubuntu3_all.deb" [Critical,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1789879 | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | testing of release upgrade failure bug reports | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | digging into getting instance count of u-u recursion error crash | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | reported appstream bug LP: #1790693 (discovered during upgrade testing) | 15:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1785498 in appstream (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1790693 g_atomic_ref_count_dec: assertion 'g_atomic_int_get (arc) > 0' failed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785498 | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | investigation into size of retrace_amd64 queue (large due accepting 1/3 of crashes but not having 1/3 of retracers) | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | also issues with delete'ing files from swift and therefore removing from the queue | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | reviewed and merged deej's nrpe changes to the daisy, retracer, and errors charms | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | modified logrotation jobs for daisy and errors app servers | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | started work on updates must be installed before release upgrade | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | ✔ done | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: there now you can go | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | - Sick for parts of Monday and Tuesday (shorter week) | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | - Regular SRU reviews and releases | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | - Fixed --extra-ppas for ubuntu-image classic builds | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | - raspi3 u-i classic: | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | * Figuring out why suddenly the local builds stopped working | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | (I missed out some fixes when pushing to the PPA that I had locally before) | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | * Iterating on the image builds until there's a proper rootfs | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | * Work on fixing the gadget bits and boot-file creation (duh, the kernel is missing right now!) | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | - core18: | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | * Some experimenting trying to build a local raspi3 core18 image for testing | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | * Fighting with core18 image builds due to breakages in snapd | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | * Minor PR reviews | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | * Adding rsync to the core18 snap for debugging | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | - Some work on the britney SRU regression notification test-suite | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | - Some canidate reviews | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | (done) | 15:19 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: o/ | 15:19 |
| xnox | sil2100, are ubuntu-image autopkgtest good? i saw them failing earlier.... | 15:19 |
| rbalint | (short week) | 15:19 |
| rbalint | * fixed rax-nova-agent regression on Xenial | 15:19 |
| rbalint | * cosmic-proposed gardening | 15:19 |
| rbalint | * WSL updates | 15:19 |
| rbalint | * working on LP: #1783023 but no fix yet | 15:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1783023 in update-manager (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Software Updater is sometimes blank when there are ONLY phased updates and auto-removable kernels" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783023 | 15:19 |
| rbalint | (done) | 15:19 |
| rcj | cyphermox: | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - shim-review: DriveLock | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - shim 15 update and SRUs | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - preparing netplan.io 0.40 release | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - optional-addresses upstream systemd work | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - gnu-efi SRU everywhere to support new shim, unbreak shim 13 in trusty. | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - test rebuilds for gnu-efi revdeps | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - grub2: sponsor add_ext_lfb_base_support.patch: Add support for ext_lfb_base. (LP: #1785033) | 15:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1785033 in HWE Next "GRUB needs to support 64-bit efi linear frame buffer address" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785033 | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | - investigating how to retrieving keys to validate kernel signatures | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | (done) | 15:20 |
| rcj | rcj: | 15:20 |
| rcj | * on-boarding a new team-mate (Welcome cshep!) | 15:20 |
| rcj | * out on Monday for federal holiday (alas not a "bank holiday" philroche) | 15:20 |
| rcj | * meeting with cloud partners | 15:20 |
| rcj | ☑ | 15:20 |
| slangasek | any questions on status? | 15:24 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Bugs | 15:25 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs | ||
| slangasek | bdmurray: | 15:25 |
| bdmurray | So there's this upgrade bug which is somehwat vague | 15:25 |
| bdmurray | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1789977 | 15:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1789977 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 crashed, required dpkg --configure -a to recover (multiple machines)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:25 |
| bdmurray | There was an lvm2-activation segfault during or after the upgrade | 15:26 |
| xnox | ouch | 15:26 |
| bdmurray | I managed to find a crash about lvm2 in LP and a bucket in the error tracker. | 15:26 |
| bdmurray | I'm not positive they are all the same issue though. | 15:27 |
| juliank | I don't see an actual upgrade bug in the log, do you? | 15:28 |
| juliank | regarding the dpkg --configure -a | 15:28 |
| bdmurray | Given the quantity of crashes about lvm2 I think that should be looked at by xnox though. | 15:28 |
| bdmurray | ;-) | 15:28 |
| juliank | I can say it's not crashing for me :) | 15:29 |
| bdmurray | juliank: maybe the screenlog would help? | 15:29 |
| juliank | I was looking at AptTermLog to see which packages remained unconfigured | 15:30 |
| slangasek | ok I think we'll take that one into trello | 15:31 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: next? | 15:31 |
| bdmurray | Bug 1767918 is a quick fix, just need to schedule it | 15:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1767918 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Login password from GDM is shown in plain text on the VT1 console" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1767918 | 15:32 |
| slangasek | +1 I'll pull it into backlog now | 15:32 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: next? | 15:33 |
| bdmurray | Maybe the desktop team should look at the comments in bug 1788220? | 15:33 |
| ubottu | bug 1788220 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[snap] Ubuntu 18.04 LTS includes gnome-calculator as a snap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1788220 | 15:33 |
| rbalint | can we as Foundations do anything regarding shipping or not shipping things as snaps? | 15:35 |
| xnox | rbalint, on cloud images yes | 15:35 |
| slangasek | well, it's not something that's going to be reverted wrt 18.04 | 15:38 |
| slangasek | if there were suggestions for concrete improvement to the implementation, that'd be one thing | 15:38 |
| bdmurray | I was surprised by files in $HOME/snap | 15:38 |
| xnox | the $HOME/snap is akward | 15:39 |
| slangasek | it is surprising if you were expecting ~/. but there are arguments and that's not a decision that's going to be reverted via a bug on gnome-calculator in launchpad | 15:39 |
| xnox | i would expect that on the server, but on desktop i would expect liek ~/.config/snap or ~/.local/snap | 15:39 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: +1 for asking the desktop team to field this, which is ultimately 'opinion' | 15:39 |
| xnox | because ~/.local/snap is ~+ /snap | 15:39 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: ack | 15:39 |
| xnox | because ~/.local/snap is ~= /snap | 15:39 |
| slangasek | (also I think that 1.6GB disk figure is incorrect) | 15:40 |
| bdmurray | bug 1754294 seems to be affecting some people when upgrading, while they are not ubuntu packages I wonder if there is anything we can do better there. | 15:40 |
| ubottu | bug 1754294 in curl (Ubuntu) "After last updated libcurl3 on libcurl4, some apps are removed." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754294 | 15:40 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: That disk estimate for upgrading would need to take into account the space in /home too | 15:41 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: sorry, is that last comment referring still to the snap thing? | 15:42 |
| slangasek | because snaps only use space in /home after they've been executed by the user, so not an upgrade thing | 15:42 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: yes, ah okay | 15:42 |
| cyphermox | 1.6Gb figure does sound rather large | 15:42 |
| cyphermox | larger even than if you also had extra bits, classic snap, etc. | 15:43 |
| xnox | cyphermox, i think the killer is three copies mounted by default. | 15:43 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: I did the math and get 262M for Ubuntu Desktop 18.04. I think the user is counting disk space under /snap improperly | 15:43 |
| cyphermox | heh | 15:44 |
| xnox | which i think makes sense on iot, but doesn't make musch sense on a desktop with always-on interent. | 15:44 |
| xnox | ogra, why is 3 copies, instead of just 2 for the desktop snapd deploys? | 15:44 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: the user is complaining that we are not shipping an ABI-compatible version of the library; the library ABI has changed because time moves forward | 15:46 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: we are not going to provide the old ABI, so those packages are going to be removed on upgrade, unless it makes the upgrade itself blow up there's nothing to do | 15:46 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: ack, that's it from me then | 15:49 |
| slangasek | ok | 15:49 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:49 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| slangasek | anything else? | 15:49 |
| xnox | slangasek, i believe it did blow up upgrade | 15:50 |
| xnox | slangasek, cause php and something rather tried to load both inside mod_php and than apache would fail | 15:50 |
| cyphermox | no aob from me | 15:50 |
| xnox | slangasek, because some niche stack was not ported, and it should be reverted to the old abi | 15:50 |
| xnox | done | 15:50 |
| rcj | no aob from me | 15:51 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | <wxl> be nice | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Sep 6 15:51:24 2018 UTC. | 15:51 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-09-06-15.01.moin.txt | 15:51 |
| slangasek | thanks, all | 15:51 |
| xnox | slangasek, ie. i believe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltooling/+bug/1776489 is valid | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1776489 in xmltooling (Ubuntu) "libxmltooling7 depends on libcurl3, which has been replaced by libcurl4 in Bionic" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:07 |
| xnox | slangasek, and we should revert that stack back to libcurl3 which we do have available in bionic | 16:07 |
| xnox | slangasek, cause it can't apache php something rather | 16:07 |
| xnox | or like make libcurl3 co-installable somehow | 16:08 |
| slangasek | xnox: "that stack" meaning what, all of apache? | 16:11 |
| xnox | slangasek, no, not all of apache, "shibboleth" packages | 16:12 |
| xnox | i believe there is exec boundary, thus it's all fine, as long as one preloads or have the old-abi libcurl3 non-conflicting, or like recompile these 5 packages against the old one. | 16:13 |
| xnox | cause in practice it is broken with the new one, as it needs ssl1.0 | 16:13 |
| xnox | behind libcurl api | 16:13 |
| slangasek | xnox: I thought the shibboleth stack /was/ left on libcurl3 | 16:14 |
| xnox | yes, but not recompiled against the new libcurl3-openssl-reintroduced hence stuck with old-deps which are conflicting with curl4 and thus not co-installable with like any ubuntu install | 16:16 |
| xnox | or possibly our libcurl3-openssl-reintroduced is itself too-conflictly, than should have been. | 16:17 |
| slangasek | xnox: it's conflicty because it's the same soname (as per upstream) but different ABI | 16:17 |
| slangasek | so yeah | 16:18 |
| xnox | so we need to introduce that old abi under a new name, to make this stack work, imho. | 16:18 |
| xnox | rpath for the win! | 16:19 |
| === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy | ||
| pleia2 | anyone here for the membership meeting? | 20:05 |
| Wild_Man | Here | 20:05 |
| tsimonq2 | Sort of, ish. | 20:11 |
| Wild_Man | Is the membership applicant here? | 20:12 |
| popey | *tumbleweed* | 20:17 |
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