[00:00] <nacc> roadkill: this works fine with Windows?
[00:00] <roadkill> yep
[00:00] <nacc> roadkill: have you tried the OSI hacks to fake Windows in Linux? TJ has an article for it, iirc
[00:00] <nacc> i wonder if it's an ACPI issue
[00:00] <roadkill> it simply doesn't show up in linux
[00:01] <roadkill> american megatrends bios. looks like the oem didn't block a single option.
[00:01] <roadkill> nacc: OSI hacks? Huh. No, haven't tried that
[00:02] <nacc> roadkill: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:03] <nacc> roadkill: i would try that, tbh; see if it makes any difference first
[00:04] <roadkill> rebooting.
[00:04] <roadkill> couldn't find a single mention of wifi in the bios before. was looking for switch to disable bluetooth there.
[00:05] <roadkill> lsusb and rfkill list all still identical. hmm.
[00:07] <roadkill> yeah. no wifi still.
[00:10] <roadkill> adding the new intel iwlwifi firmwares. there aren't identical filenames in /lib/firmware
[00:11] <nacc> roadkill: ... did you do what that page said?
[00:11] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: how are your uefi settings, fastboot & secureboot?
[00:11] <nacc> roadkill: or are you trying other things?
[00:11] <tomreyn> firmware update is here, if any http://www.teclast.com/en/firmware/
[00:11] <roadkill> nacc: I did what the page said. No difference. Already ran the osi script and rebooted twice.
[00:11] <nacc> roadkill: oh ok
[00:12] <roadkill> Can't find the relevant download for this ID number! <--- device is too new.
[00:12] <roadkill> lotuspsychje: fastboot disabled. secureboot disabled.
[00:13] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[00:14] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: still would liek to see a realtime tail please
[00:14] <roadkill> Southbridge chipset options in bios even has an OS Selection field.
[00:14] <lotuspsychje> wanna see what this device does exactly
[00:14] <roadkill> lotuspsychje: what do I do to give you that?
[00:15] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug out/plug in your device
[00:15] <roadkill> it's built into the motherboard.
[00:15] <roadkill> not a usb stick I can unplug.
[00:16] <lotuspsychje> didnt you say it was a stick?
[00:16] <roadkill> No, I said it's a usb connected device built into the motherboard.
[00:16] <roadkill> as opposed to sdio.
[00:16] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[00:17] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: then just disable wifi, and enable again please?
[00:17] <roadkill> I wish it was just a stick: I could easily find a more linux friendly one to use.
[00:17] <roadkill> wifi doesn't show up. At all. Nothing for me to click on to disable.
[00:17] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: even after a network-manager restart?
[00:17] <roadkill> Doesn't show up in the networking panel icon.
[00:17] <roadkill> i'll try that now.
[00:18] <roadkill> (I remember when having an all-intel device used to me pretty good luck in Linux distros. Heh.)
[00:20] <roadkill> since adding intel firmware, still no wifi, module doesn't show when I grep dmesg, rfkill list all still only shows bluetooth.
[00:20] <roadkill> this thread is about a lenovo device: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382682
[00:21] <roadkill> So I wouldn't even know what to try blacklisting in this case.
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> thats weird even the network/wifi icon show
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> doesnt
[00:22] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: you sure you dont have a switch to enable/disable or so?
[00:23] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: and when you installed ubuntu, did setup have an internet connection?
[00:25] <roadkill> updated dmesg
[00:25] <roadkill> https://pastebin.com/K82QuY2v
[00:25] <roadkill> lotuspsychje: Setup did not have an internet connection until I plugged in my USB Ethernet dongle.
[00:25] <roadkill> Built-in Wifi was not found/usable during setup.
[00:25] <roadkill> There is no physical switch for wifi on this system.
[00:26] <roadkill> The hardware simply does not show up. Even when you run rfkill
[00:26] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: did any ubuntu recognize your chipset before?
[00:27] <roadkill> No. I have only owned this laptop for 4 days.
[00:27] <roadkill> Wifi works in Windows10.
[00:28] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: i would go for 2 tests, that firmware tomreyn suggested and perhaps play with !mainline higher kernel?
[00:28] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: perhaps also consider a new !bug for this special case
[00:28] <roadkill> https://pastebin.com/HwK8gQre
[00:28] <roadkill> rat@Groundsel:~$ uname -a
[00:28] <roadkill> Linux Groundsel 4.15.0-33-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 15 16:00:05 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:29] <roadkill> The link that tomreyn provided has no files for this device.
[00:29] <roadkill> It's literally brand new. Released Sept 1st
[00:29] <ecormier> roadkill: what is the wifi card model?
[00:30] <roadkill> though the chipset is a bit older than that you'd think it'd be supported if the same chipset in NUCs run fine.
[00:30] <roadkill> Intel Wireless-AC 3165
[00:30] <roadkill> Gemini Lake chipset/SOC
[00:30] <roadkill> ecormier: Bluetooth and Wifi are on the same chipset, bluetooth works, wifi doesn't show up at all.
[00:31] <tomreyn> put it in a drawer, go for holidays for a month or two, get it back from the drawer -> works.
[00:31] <roadkill> tomreyn: lol... I have done that before. ;) Unfortunately Bought this thing to use for the holidays due to its size.
[00:32] <ecormier> roadkill: did you read this: https://codeyarns.com/2017/02/04/how-to-make-intel-wireless-ac-3165-work-in-ubuntu/
[00:32] <roadkill> so I guess I'll have to use Win10 with it when I'm travelling.
[00:32] <tomreyn> then attach a wireless dongle or replace the minipci card, in case it's not actually soldered on.
[00:32] <roadkill> Yep. Even manually updated the kernel to the newest. Wifi still doesn't exist.
[00:32] <roadkill> It's soldered to the motherboard I'm afraid.
[00:32] <roadkill> so I guess I'll dongle it.
[00:33] <tomreyn> did you try the acpi experiments?
[00:33] <tomreyn> maybe it's really just exposed to windows
[00:33] <roadkill> That's my fear.
[00:33] <tomreyn> then that's what you should try
[00:33] <roadkill> Bios even has a southbridge chipset OS setting though. Linux, MSDos, Windows, Android...
[00:34] <roadkill> I ran acpi_osi.sh. No changes.
[00:35] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: also weird bios doesnt show wifi settings, when its fixxed on mobo?
[00:35] <tomreyn> what did you end up with in /etc/default/grub ?
[00:35] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: mobo up to date also?
[00:36] <roadkill> lotuspsychje: there is no software available to download for this system. At all. None.
[00:37] <roadkill> tomreyn: I ended up with "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[00:37] <tomreyn> roadkill: maybe try an earlier one
[00:37] <tomreyn> sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | sort | uniq -c
[00:37] <tomreyn> | pastebinit
[00:37] <roadkill> the 2015 setting is the only thing that the script seems to offer.
[00:38] <tomreyn> roadkill: so the comand i just posted only returns a single line of output?
[00:38] <roadkill> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d6kmVzYsPZ/
[00:39] <roadkill> when I run acpi_osi.sh, it only offers to add Windows 2015 as an option
[00:39] <tomreyn> right, i twill only use the latest
[00:39] <tomreyn> you can manually try 2013, 2012
[00:39] <roadkill> ah. change the 2015 down then?
[00:39] <tomreyn> right
[00:40] <tomreyn> then update-grub
[00:40] <roadkill> rebooting.
[00:40] <tomreyn> then reboot, check whether it applied (cat /proc/cmdline)
[00:40] <roadkill> changed it to 2012
[00:40] <tomreyn> then check whether you have new devices in lspci / lsusb
[00:41] <roadkill> proc/cmdline checks out. 2012.
[00:41] <roadkill> no change in lspci and lsusb
[00:42] <tomreyn> so it says ... acp_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012"  ... , right?
[00:42] <roadkill> correct.
[00:43] <tomreyn> well, 2013 then, i guess. but that's all i can think of
[00:43] <roadkill> loading the module seems to work, hardware still seems to not be found.
[00:43] <roadkill> so weird.
[00:44] <roadkill> yeah. just gonna have to use Win10 on the trip then. blech.
[00:44] <roadkill> I think the 'put it in a drawer for a few months' might be the only way out of this. dunno if intel or the oem did something funky with old hardware in a new way to break it in linux.
[00:45] <roadkill> changing the grub line to 2013 yielded no differences.
[00:45] <tomreyn> :-/ baaad luck.
[00:46] <roadkill> yeah. it's usually a safe bet when a device is all intel but... sheesh, not seen something like this in a long time.
[00:49] <roadkill> Only other time I ran into something this unsolvable was when I bought a Sony Vaio P... Intel, Atom... but used PowerVR. The end result meant a screen with 30hz refresh and no acceleration.
[00:51] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: doesnt make sense nothing shows anywhere, did you check textboot see what happens with network?
[00:52] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: your bios hasnt got a 'last state' wifi option somewhere, i seen that block on ubuntu before and work on windows
[00:52] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: or netboot options?
[00:56] <rahulprodev> Hi if I create 3 partition on installing ubuntu, swap, / (boot partition), and home partition... If in future I have reinstall ubuntu again, Can I install it without disturbing home partition???
[00:56] <rahulprodev> I mean I don't want other partition data get deleted...
[00:59] <fltrz> would anybody outside of europe be so kind to let me ping them? Just mention IP + Continent or Nation. It's for scientific purpouses
[00:59] <fltrz> I can clarify why if necessary
[01:00] <tomreyn> why dont you just do it and skip asking? :)
[01:00] <tomreyn> it's just ping
[01:00] <tomreyn> also not related to #ubuntu support
[01:00] <fltrz> I had the impression it would be rude?
[01:01] <fltrz> tomreyn, also, I wouldn't know what continent/nation?
[01:01] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:02] <roadkill> lotuspsychje: Sadly, no, not one wifi related option I could see in the bios. And they pretty much left every option unblocked.
[01:06] <lotuspsychje> roadkill: F1 texboot see anything?
[01:14] <gbellinoz> @satrioirc am now!
[01:14] <gbellinoz> That was awhile ago.  Do you remember what was up?
[01:49] <cim209> so i upgraded from 16 to 18, no issues :D
[01:54] <IcemanV9> excellent. enjoy it. : )
[01:56] <netkam2> is it prefered to install things with snaps
[01:56] <netkam2> or use aptitiude
[01:57] <netkam2> what problem does snaps solve
[01:57] <cim209> what is the shortcut keys to open the panel that shows all the apps i installed?
[01:57] <cim209> i'm using cupertino panel
[02:17] <cim209> super + k activates some weird animation around my mouse
[02:20] <tomreyn> 'mouse finder'
[02:21] <cim209> it shows stars as it fades away lol
[02:44] <qwefytuoityty> Athlon X4 840 Quad Core, two modules 4 cores, fm2+. Need 4 or 2 control cores? https://screenshots.firefox.com/8PixeHdOSoIM3xct/null in image U-Mate. If the Intel processor with Hyper-Threading technology, it's clear to me. Control of logical cores don't need.
[04:06] <madLyfe> so i have 3 internal drives, sda(linuxOS), sdb(win10) and sdc(storage drive). my internal drives sdb and sdc were being auto mounted just fine and i was able to RW with them. today something changed and they are only mounted as RO. also weird is both of those have never shown up in fstab.
[04:06] <madLyfe> if i set the drives to RW with a remount, they go back to RO after a reboot.
[04:12] <Ruzzy> lo
[04:12] <Ruzzy> My gnome-terminal text colours are non-default and I want to delete their configs but I can't find it in the usual directories
[04:12] <Ruzzy> I'm on mint btw
[04:22] <Bashing-om> !mint | Ruzzy
[04:46] <madLyfe> turns out is was windows fast boot got enabled somehow. or it was always enabled and only now became an issue.
[04:51] <bynarie> RIP nkk71
[05:39] <wendico> Good Morning. I tried to follow a guide to make a team of network cards for faster network transfers. No i have a Bond0 named network but it doesnt work. Can someone point me to a correct guide to team network cards? i dont even have conexion on the machine i tried and i always have to "if config bond0 down" to recover my conexion (even wifi connected at the same time and not part of that team but no internet). Thank you very much
[05:40] <havenstance> wendico, which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[05:40] <wendico> last version full updated fresh install
[05:40] <wendico> and i dont mind to install again
[05:40] <havenstance> so 18.04.1?
[05:40] <wendico> yes
[05:41] <wendico> i need a team coz i only have a 100mb switch
[05:41] <wendico> i cant get a 1gb for now
[05:41] <wendico> no my NAS transfers are to slow
[05:41] <Ben64> gigabit switches can be had for $10
[05:42] <wendico> nevertheless not only the switch, my cards are also 10/100 and remember of 3rd world please
[05:42] <wendico> i promise i cant aford
[05:43] <havenstance> so your teaming multiple interfaces on internal LAN?
[05:44] <wendico> yes, i want to team 2 interfaces on 2 ubuntu fresh install machines
[05:44] <wendico> i mean 2 on each machine of course
[05:44] <wendico> english 3rd language
[05:45] <havenstance> it's no big deal, I'm pretty good at deciphering lol nothing could be worse than my grandmother trying to text lol
[05:45] <wendico> i followed a guide and resulted on having a "Bond0" network interface i can see on if config but i have not connexion, the guide must be wrong so i can start over no problem
[05:45] <havenstance> wendico, I've found a couple of guides, but keep in mind if this server is going to be serving DHCP or NAT it could cause issues having multiple interfaces trying to accomplish this at the same time
[05:45] <wendico> could you point me to the correct guide? thank you
[05:46] <havenstance> I'll paste the links I've not ever actually tried to create something like this but they look very well written and contain the steps I'd take if I were going to do this
[05:46] <havenstance> https://www.tecmint.com/configure-network-bonding-teaming-in-ubuntu/
[05:46] <wendico> havenstance, dont worry,i want to team on the 2 clients, no server functions
[05:46] <havenstance> https://cli.pignat.org/server-18.04-network-bond.html
[05:46] <wendico> Thank you very much, reading on
[05:47] <havenstance> I hope you're able to figure it out, my recommendation, when you find a guide that does work with whichever version you're using, bookmark it. Never know when you'll have to do something again lol
[05:48] <wendico> havenstance: thank you very much again. i will do bookmark if working
[05:50] <wendico> btw, so i dont need to start again on my test machine, would you mind to share a command to just delete the Bond0 not working inteface i created? Thank you, if not no problem dont worry i just plain install again and start over
[05:52] <havenstance> to be honest, that's something I'm not sure about at all.
[05:52] <wendico> thank you, starting live to start again, dont worry i apreciate the help
[05:57] <wendico> Other cuestion. i installed ubuntu 18 fresh and updated in 2 laptops of my friends, but their "righ click" on the laptop pad dont work, works also as left click like if they have only one botton. Any clue to solve that? i encounter the problem in two diferent not so old laptops
[05:57] <wendico> one of them i have with me so i could try here to solve it then repeat in my other friend. I must use the keyboard "right click key" all the time
[05:58] <wendico> plugin an external mouse works correct, the problem only with the integrated mouse pad
[05:59] <wendico> both laptops are diferent brands even one is amd other intel but same problem, no right click on integrated laptop pad
[06:00] <wendico> both integrated pad buttons works as left normal click
[06:03] <wendico> i enabled and disabled all options in mouse configuration windows to text if maybe "2 finger scroll" or any of the other options are messing with my right click but no solved, even if i set on that window my right button as primary i still have both buttons as primary click and i cant acomplish "right click" on my laptop pads
[06:04] <hateball> wendico: are you using wayland or xorg?
[06:04] <wendico> my friends are just mad of that and they are trying to get me let them go back to windows
[06:05] <wendico> not sure, reading on it, but i believe xorg
[06:05] <wendico> i am not a profesional just an ubuntu fan
[06:07] <hateball> wendico: I just googled, dunno if this is relevant https://itsfoss.com/fix-right-click-touchpad-ubuntu/
[06:07] <wendico> reading on it^^^  thank you let me see if is that
[06:07] <hateball> I don't use GNOME myself so I am not too familiar
[06:09] <hateball> also there was a switch from evdev to libinput for touchpad in 18.04 I think? I seem to recall others having troubles with their touchpads with the newer solution
[06:12] <wendico> still reading, im to old, read slow, ill share my findings asap
[06:14] <wendico> meanwhile, why not use gnome? why do u preffer and suggest another desktop enviroment? maybe i should replace gnome aswell
[06:14] <wendico> im installing gnome tewaks allready to try to solve the right click problems
[06:20] <wendico> hateball: right click problem solved with your link, bookmarked also hehe, thank you very very much
[06:20] <lotus|NUC> wendico: see also dconf-editor to tweak your things
[06:22] <wendico> lotus|NUC : installing dconf-editor anyways for more tweaks just in case. thank you for the tip
[06:24] <wendico> wow, by the way, i dindt realize is not a problem just a tweak about the right click, i did not know i could right click just by two finger tap, so im reverting the solution since i like even more to right click by two finger tap
[06:25] <wendico> awesome ubuntu!
[06:25] <wendico> thank you mates
[06:26] <someone_> Hi
[06:26] <wendico> i reverted that way so now i can even have mid click by 3 finger tap and my laptop have not mid click so it is awesome the new working mode,
[06:27] <someone_> I'm looking for replacement for redshift Is there any ?
[06:27] <wendico> maybe ubuntu should explain that in the normal mouse configuration window
[06:27] <lotus|NUC> someone_: gnome has now nightlight on 18.04
[06:28] <wendico> so everybody can notice the 2 finger and 3 finget tap without installing gnome tweaks
[06:28] <ducasse> someone_: https://alternativeto.net/software/redshift/?platform=linux
[06:29] <wendico> someone_ you can activate nightlight by default on the screen settings no installations need it
[06:29] <cim209> hi, i installed a script using the pip install command. tried to run said script but it terminal says command not found
[06:30] <cim209> i'm installing this https://github.com/kfei/slack-cleaner
[06:30] <cim209> the command "pip list" shows slack-cleaner is installed
[06:33] <blue1> .
[06:33] <mobile_c> how do i get <keystone/keystone.h
[06:35] <blue1> mobile_c: normally that is part of the package you download -- it should be in the package you downloaded
[06:36] <blue1> mobile_c: where did you get the source files -- github?
[06:39] <mohnish_> Hey guys! I want install ms word on my Ubuntu machine, how do I do that?
[06:39] <mohnish_> I already have playonlinux and wine installed
[06:40] <blue1> mohnish_: i use libreoffice -- I wouldn't know -- did you try it with wine?
[06:40] <mohnish_> blue1: It tells me that I need some sort of file for it
[06:41] <blue1> mohnish_: what file?
[06:41] <mohnish_> Some iso file to install ms office
[06:41] <blue1> mohnish_: libreoffice can import ms word files.
[06:41] <blue1> ahh
[06:42] <mohnish_> I think is files are used to install distros right?
[06:42] <blue1> mohnish_: generally
[06:43] <blue1> iso files are normally burned to a dvd or usb -- however there are ways to mount an iso under linux - but in your case -- I don't know where you would find that.
[06:43] <mohnish_> Oh
[06:44] <hateball> wendico: cool, glad you got it fixed
[06:44] <hateball> wendico: I personally use KDE Plasma, I much prefer it
[06:44] <blue1> my recommendation would be to use libreoffice - it's free -- and works on linux, mac, and windows
[06:45] <blue1> and it can import ms word files
[06:47] <blue1> you can do a sudo apt install libreoffice       if you don't like it -- just purge it.
[06:57] <wendico> hateball: thank you very much, reading on kde plasma. i owe you a beer
[06:58] <hateball> wendico: just pay it forward :)
[07:02] <rajivmars> guys, i am using xubuntu 18.04.1. I wanted to use cairo dock but whenever i am applying this dock then a horizontal transparent strip appears along the dock area. have anybody an idea what is that strip or whether its normal or not?
[07:02] <Joral> is it possible to have an ati card and an nvidia card running at the same time?
[07:09] <mobile_c> also how do i compile a source file
[07:10] <mobile_c> downloaded by dep
[07:12] <cim209> the script i downloaded via pip is in ~/.local/bin but terminal says command not found
[07:12] <cim209> what am i doing wrong?
[07:12] <mobile_c> .dsc *
[07:13] <mobile_c> cim209: look at the first line of the script
[07:13] <cim209> #!/usr/bin/python
[07:13] <mobile_c> does that path exist
[07:13] <cim209> no
[07:13] <mobile_c> then thats why
[07:14] <cim209> how do i fix this?
[07:14] <mobile_c> wich python
[07:14] <mobile_c> which python
[07:14] <cim209> regular, not 3
[07:14] <mobile_c> $ which python
[07:15] <cim209> 2.7
[07:15] <mobile_c> ._.
[07:15] <ducasse> cim209: is ~/.local/bin in your PATH?
[07:15] <cim209> yes ducasse
[07:15] <mobile_c> type "which python" in ur shell
[07:15] <cim209> mobile_c, i also have 3.6.5 installed
[07:15] <ducasse> is it set executable?
[07:15] <cim209> oh LOL mobile_c
[07:16] <cim209> it's in /usr/bin/python
[07:16] <cim209> i'll try that
[07:16] <cim209> ducasse, yes, i can run it using python script.py
[07:16] <mobile_c> how tf does that both exist and not exist
[07:16] <cim209> mobile_c, idk
[07:16] <cim209> probably the fact that i upgraded from 16 to 18
[07:16] <mobile_c> [17:13] <mobile_c> does that path exist
[07:16] <mobile_c> [17:13] <cim209> no
[07:17] <mobile_c> how is that even possible
[07:17] <mobile_c> did u actually type "#!/usr/bin/python" itself in the shell
[07:18] <cim209> yeah
[07:18] <cim209> doesn't output anything
[07:19] <mobile_c> remove the #!
[07:19] <mobile_c> aka type "/usr/bin/python"
[07:19] <cim209> i'm in the python terminal now
[07:19] <mobile_c> then it SHOULD work
[07:20] <cim209> when i typed /usr/bin/python slack-cleaner, the command works
[07:20] <cim209> but not slack-cleaner by itself
[07:20] <mobile_c> paste the output of ./local/bin/script.py
[07:21] <mobile_c> and "ls -l ./local/bin/script.py"
[07:21] <cim209> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6q26rwmmXd/
[07:21] <cim209> ls -l ~/.local/bin/slack-cleaner
[07:21] <cim209> oops sorry lol
[07:22] <cim209> -rwxrwxr-x
[07:22] <mobile_c> r u using konversation
[07:23] <mobile_c> nvm /cmd doesnt post to usr output
[07:23] <cim209> idk what konversation is
[07:24] <Aliekezhi> hi, do you know a good PDF editing software ?
[07:24] <mobile_c> cim209: type "ls -l ./local/bin/script.py"
[07:25] <mobile_c> for example
[07:25] <cim209> -rwxrwxr-x 1 cim cim 219 Sep  7 00:25 /home/cim/.local/bin/slack-cleaner
[07:25] <mobile_c> -rwxrwxr-x  1 mobile_c mobile_c      46752 Aug 27 16:49  wrap
[07:26] <mobile_c> ._.
[07:26] <mobile_c> of script.py, not of slack-cleaner
[07:26] <cim209> slack-cleaner doesn't have the .py extension
[07:29] <mobile_c> nvm -_-
[07:29] <mobile_c> just join #python
[07:29] <cim209> hopefully someone is on
[07:47] <vlt> Hello. How can I determine what components of my Ubuntu desktop are using ghostscript when dealing with PDF files?
[07:56] <obiwahn> ubuntu14.04> cat /etc/debian_version
[07:56] <obiwahn> stretch/sid
[07:56] <Silmarlion_> Can anyone recommend a better screenshoot app for Ubuntu 18.04? I would like to have the ability to select the area for which I want to make the screenshot.
[07:56] <obiwahn> #fail
[07:57] <ikonia>  Silmarlion_ scrot ?
[07:57] <obiwahn> scrot --select ++
[07:59] <cim209> Silmarlion_, ubuntu mate has a screenshot app that does that
[08:00] <cim209> though it might be a general ubuntu app
[08:01] <Silmarlion_> ok, I will check it
[08:02] <cim209> Silmarlion_, the command for mate is mate-screenshot -i
[08:15] <ne2k> xenial desktop. what's a sensible way to save different "Screen Display" settings profiles (i.e. number of monitors, relative placement) and switch between them from the CLI? is this stored in a file or is it gconf or dconf or something? (I'm a bit behind the times with how GUI stuff works under the hood)
[08:15] <ryuo> ne2k: xrandr can be used to make changes, but i belive gsettings is how settings are managed now.
[08:16] <ryuo> ne2k: that command can be used to make settings changes, such as the GTK theme.
[08:16] <cim209> Silmarlion_, i'm just finding out about https://screencloud.net
[08:17] <ne2k> ryuo, so gsettings monitor, then make the changes and see what happens, and then use gsettings set to do it programmatically?
[08:17] <ne2k> hmm. what schema to use?
[08:17] <ryuo> ne2k: i guess, if that exists. you could also try to find the correct schema and key on your own.
[08:17] <ryuo> ne2k: no idea. it varies.
[08:18] <ryuo> ne2k: each DE uses a different one.
[08:18] <Silmarlion_> cim209, hm screencloud looks promising, and has possibility to store locally store which is good
[08:19] <cim209> ya
[08:19] <cim209> multiple sources too
[08:21] <ne2k> ryuo, tried grepping gsettings list-schemas for display, monitor, screen, unity, and still not entirely sure...
[08:21] <cim209> https://imgur.com/fX8snLs
[08:22] <cim209> screenshot works like a macos
[08:22] <Silmarlion_> Downside is that it looks like it is not open source, so how can I be completely sure that it doesn't send the photos to some 3rd party site
[08:23] <ryuo> ne2k: what about xrandr?
[08:23] <cim209> Silmarlion_, i'm not concerned about where the images go
[08:24] <ne2k> ryuo, I need to move the launcher placement too, so was hoping to do it by just automating the thing I currently do manually, rather than using something entirely different. was slightly concerned (from using xrandr before) that they might not play nicely together either, i.e. that doing low level changes with xrandr will confuse the gui part
[08:25] <cim209> Silmarlion_, it is open source https://github.com/olav-st/screencloud
[08:25] <ryuo> ne2k: i'm not an expert on unity. all i know is gsettings is how changes are normally applied to GTK environments.
[08:25] <ryuo> ne2k: you'd need to explore it yourself to figure out how it ticks.
[08:25] <ne2k> ryuo, yup, I suspect it's in there, I'd just like to figure out which schema to look at
[08:25] <ne2k> suppose I could just monitor all of them... !!
[08:26] <cim209> GPL2
[08:31] <ne2k> ryuo, gsettings list-schemas |while read schema; do gsettings monitor $schema >$schema.log & done # success! it's org.gnome.desktop.interface and com.ubuntu.user-interface
[08:37] <sweb> how can i convert all output to stdout ... i need to get stdout instead of stderr of command output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nWD7kGvvcp/
[08:40] <ne2k> sweb, 2>&1
[08:40] <sweb> ne2k: did you see my pastebin ?
[08:41] <ne2k> sweb, I'm not sure what you're saying with it
[08:44] <ne2k> ryuo, hmm. I think it's not storing it all there, unfortunately, the content of those files doesn't seem to be enough to be doing all the changes
[08:45] <ne2k> sweb, are you objecting to the fact that it gives a non-zero exit code while appearing not to print anything to stderr? you'd have to take that up with npm
[08:46] <sweb> ne2k: i will try, thnks
[08:48] <ne2k> try what?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:20] <isene> After an upgrade lately, my Xmodmap setup is gone after resuming from suspend-to-RAM (well, not quite - if I wait for a long time it actually works some 90% of the time - but if I hit any key within some 30 seconds after resume, it is killed). Then running xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap it does set my keys back to what I want, but for some strange reason it will not set this line: 'keycode  105 = Pointer_Button2' How
[10:20] <isene> can I fix this? Or can I move to an alternative to Xmodmap - without changing any files outside my home directory?
[11:04] <pandaadb> Hi. I have a relatively fresh install of ubuntu 18.04 (about a 2 weeks old now). I noticed when running upgrade I am getting this: https://pastebin.com/W7grRkMB
[11:05] <pandaadb> I am not sure what it means. I found a few suggestions of commands online to run to fix this, however running blind commands have gotten me into trouble before so I figured I'd ask :)
[11:05] <pandaadb> I also found a bug report about people having similar issues. It does not seem that that problem has any implication on the system (nto as far as I can see) so I am not sure if I should maybe just ignore it for the time being
[11:17] <tomreyn> pandaadb: hi. it's good you bring it up, you shouldn't ignore such issues. these are apt dependency resolver issues, which can result in yet more packages (or package updates) becoming uninstallable and your system not getting (all) security patches.
[11:18] <pandaadb> In that case I may need help fixing them :)
[11:18] <tomreyn> pandaadb: can you run: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1; echo '*****'; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[11:19] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | pandaadb
[11:21] <pandaadb> tomreyn http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X9JxqNjjSz/
[11:22] <pandaadb> pretty much the same problem i have. I like pastbinit though - that I didn;t know
[11:24] <tomreyn> ok, i haven't seen those TCSAFLUSH errors before, need to look them up
[11:25] <tomreyn> pandaadb: can you post "dmesg | pastebinit" in the meantime?
[11:25] <pandaadb> to be honest, thouse are new i think
[11:26] <pandaadb> sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gvdYkXDRph/
[11:31]  * tomreyn looking
[11:32] <pandaadb> thanks!
[11:36] <luckywho> alsa-lib_1.1.6-1.debian.tar.xz? how to install
[11:39] <tomreyn> pandaadb: so TCSAFLUSH is about terminal functions, used when updating some of its properties. should be of no concern for now.
[11:40] <pandaadb> ah, i am using terminator and noticed that it has sometimes issues as well
[11:40] <pandaadb> but it had them from 14 to 16 to 18
[11:40] <pandaadb> so i reckon that's just a glitch that happens once a month
[11:41] <pandaadb> i could try rerunning your command on the default terminal though if that may make a difference?
[11:42] <tomreyn> pandaadb: oh that's probably the source of these then, yes. so lets focus on the package issues. can you: sudo /bin/false; pastebinit <( sudo dpkg --purge grub-efi-amd64 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo dpkg --purge grub-efi-amd64-signed 2>&1; )
[11:42] <tomreyn> 'that' -> terminator
[11:42] <pandaadb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kd2Cpzf7KG/
[11:43] <pandaadb> (on the default terminal)
[11:44] <pandaadb> Not sure if relevant: I use snap whenever I can, and apt as the second choice. I also disabled secure boot on BIOS which I think was needed for the nvidia drivers to work
[11:45] <tomreyn> pandaadb: can you: sudo /bin/false; pastebinit <( sudo dpkg --purge shim-signed grub-efi-amd64 grub-efi-amd64-signed  2>&1; )
[11:46] <pandaadb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RYQgRgq9zc/
[11:46] <tomreyn> yes, disabling secureboot would be required unless you sign the nvidia modules yourself
[11:46] <pandaadb> ooi what does `sudo /bin/false` do?
[11:47] <pandaadb> the removal seems to have worked this time
[11:48] <tomreyn> okay, this worked out for a change. /bin/false does exactly nothing. but i really meant to use /biin/(true, which does nothing and also doesn't set an error status. the idea of using sudo /bin/true there is just so you can enter your sudop password once before we redirect output to pastebinit
[11:48] <pandaadb> oh okay, makes sense :)
[11:49] <lyra2> how can i install sedutil-cli?
[11:50] <tomreyn> pandaadb: now to reinstall those packages: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt install shim-signed grub-efi-amd64-signed 2>&1; )
[11:50] <pandaadb> i think we need a -y
[11:51] <tomreyn> pandaadb: this may be true
[11:52] <lyra2> anyone?
[11:52] <pandaadb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/csWrHT5BFC/
[11:52] <tomreyn> lyra2: what do you need it for, what does it do? it doesn't seem to be available in ubuntu
[11:52] <pandaadb> interesting, the TCSAFLUSH came back. I executed this on the default terminal too
[11:53] <lyra2> tomreyn: it can list Opal compliant disks
[11:54] <pandaadb> so it seems to have reinstalled nvidia. I can confirm that nvidia is still my enabled driver
[11:54] <tomreyn> lyra2: i assume hadparm can do so, too
[11:54] <tomreyn> * hdparm
[11:55] <lyra2> as i understand it does not support nvme
[11:55] <tomreyn> pandaadb: yes, it uninstalled and resintalled the nvidia lkernel modules. and i think it signed it, too
[11:55] <tomreyn> lyra2: for nvme, try 'nvme'
[11:56] <pandaadb> cool - shall i try the ugrade to see if the error is gone?
[11:56] <pandaadb> as in sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[11:57] <markpie> I really like the console under ctrl+alt+f4.
[11:57] <tomreyn> pandaadb: i think the dependency issues were solved, too, let's verify: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; sudo apt-get -fy install 2>&1; )
[11:57] <pandaadb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qKz8TxRdkd/
[11:57] <pandaadb> yup looks good :)
[11:58] <tomreyn> pandaadb: sorry for benig so slow. ;) still waking up here.
[11:58] <pandaadb> oh no worries :) Thank you for helping
[11:58] <pandaadb> i'd give you a coffee and cookie if I could :)
[11:58] <tomreyn> pandaadb:so you can probably run: "apt full-upgrade" now
[11:58] <JimBuntu> !cookie | tomreyn
[11:58] <pandaadb> amazing :)
[11:58] <tomreyn> thanks pandaadb, JimBuntu :)
[11:59] <pandaadb> !cookie | tomreyn
[11:59] <pandaadb> frrom me too :)
[11:59] <pandaadb> i will run that after lunch - thanks! And a great morning
[11:59]  * TJ- has stolen tomreyn's cookie for his lunch :)
[11:59] <zetheroo> In Ubuntu 18.04 how do you know what graphics driver is in use?
[11:59] <tomreyn> thanks TJ-, my doc would appreciate
[11:59] <TJ-> zetheroo: for the hardware, or for X/Wayland ?
[12:00] <zetheroo> TJ-: both?
[12:00] <tomreyn> pandaadb: thank you, ttyl!
[12:00] <TJ-> tomreyn: I was literally putting a choc cookie in my mouth as that message appeared :D
[12:00] <tomreyn> :)
[12:00] <TJ-> zetheroo: for the kernel, it'll be listed via "lspci -nnk"
[12:00] <JimBuntu> lyra2, If you find yourself in the position where you *need* sedutil-cli, you can get it right from the writers - https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil/wiki/Executable-Distributions
[12:01] <TJ-> weird issue with grub-mkstandalone - no matter what I do with --install-modules=... I cannot reduce the list to apoint where it doesn't report "error: core image is too big" !
[12:01] <zetheroo> TJ-: Kernel driver in use: i915
[12:01] <TJ-> zetheroo: for X, quickest way is either 'glxinfo' or read /var/lgo/Xorg.0.log
[12:02] <zetheroo> TJ-: ok, and Wayland?
[12:02] <TJ-> errr, "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[12:02] <TJ-> zetheroo: no ^&)^(&! idea :D
[12:02] <zetheroo> ok ;)
[12:05] <jost> Hi! I had created a RAID with mdadm, but removed it again. Then I zeroed the superblocks on all devices in that array and ran update-initramfs. However, the system still tries to mount that device on boot (resulting in emergency mode)... How to debug and fix that?
[12:06] <ikonia>  what is trying to mount it ? fstab ?
[12:06] <TJ-> jost: "mdadm --zero-superblock
[12:06] <TJ-> jost: you must have left something behind.
[12:06] <jost> TJ-: already did that to both disks
[12:07] <tomreyn> jost: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.confmay still specify the array?
[12:07] <jost> tomreyn: no, it's not in there
[12:07] <jost> but it still was in fstab... though I had deleted it from there
[12:08] <jost> removed it, now trying to reboot
[12:09] <jost> Ok, machine is up... most stupid error ever :(
[12:09] <TJ-> jost:  :)
[12:09] <dreamcat4> hi there. if i'm on 18.04, then should i be using xmodmap, or xkb ?
[12:11] <TJ-> tomreyn: can you think of a way to freeze a process in-place based on trigger text seen on its stdout
[12:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: maybe with expect? i never did this.
[12:16] <tomreyn> or maybe gdb + breakpoints
[12:17] <TJ-> tomreyn: gdb possibly; I'm trying to find a way to stop grub-mkstandalone deleting its /tmp/grub.XXXX/ so I can ivnestigate why the files its collected are too large for core image
[12:21] <tomreyn> TJ-: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/265992/watch-tmp-for-file-creation-and-prevent-deletion-of-files
[12:22] <tomreyn> i've run into needing this before, too, but never knew how to solve it.
[12:23] <tomreyn> a WORM file system would also help, but i guess the inotify-wait method is actually better.
[12:24] <tomreyn> that's 'inotifywait'
[12:25] <tomreyn> oh, this is still a race condition, so not a great solution
[12:25] <tomreyn> well then i guess it's gdb
[12:28] <TJ-> tomreyn: I like the chattr +a method... but this is tmpfs!
[12:31] <tomreyn> oh, right, chattr +a is a good approach, too. if you dont like the file system you have there now, maybe put replace it?
[12:31] <tomreyn> i.e. if you mount an ext4 to /tmp then there's be no more tmpfs there.
[12:33] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'll try putting a real directory over it, but there's existing programs got things there, not sure if it'll upset them :)
[12:36] <tomreyn> you can mount --bind the tmpfs elsewhere (i think) then mount the ext4, then cp -ap from the bind mount to the new /tmp
[12:36] <tomreyn> still not ideal...
[12:39] <TJ-> tomreyn: GRrrr! chattr +a worked.... for the /tmp/grub.XXXX/ dir, but NOT the files inside :!
[12:40] <TJ-> tomreyn: i wonder if theres a library I could insert with LD_PRELOAD that does null deletes?
[12:42] <TJ-> tomreyn: I've found an example 0- going to try it
[12:43] <tomreyn> black magic! sorry, i'm really not into this
[12:43] <tomreyn> a pity about chattr +a not working recursively :-/
[12:44] <xtron> using ubuntu 16 LTS, and my notification icon in upper right corner is not available, unable to get notifications? any idea how to fix?
[12:48] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah; and it seems it's sidestepping my LD_PRELOAD so
[12:51] <TJ-> tomreyn: it worked; I had a failing match on the path to unlink
[12:54] <left_bee> hi
[12:55] <left_bee> I don't know if this is the right place, but I cannot understand what com.canonical.unity is...
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> where are you seeing that left_bee ?
[12:56] <left_bee> I was using this service to capture screenshots in a project
[12:56] <left_bee> but then I moved to xubuntu
[12:56] <left_bee> and now I cannot find the equivalent service
[12:56] <left_bee> So I want to read up on this... but I am not able to find any good explanation
[12:57] <tomreyn> TJ-: can you explain how you did it / point me to the example you found?
[12:57] <leftyfb> left_bee: https://askubuntu.com/questions/449943/unity-tweak-tool-fails-to-start-with-the-error-com-canonical-unity-webapps-sche#comment1388057_653634
[12:57] <leftyfb> left_bee: I found that by googling for "com.canonical.unity". It was the first result
[12:58] <left_bee> leftyfb: some apps fail because of com.canonical.unity, because it is the root of all operations on ubuntu
[12:58] <left_bee> it manages session and stuff, locking screen etc
[12:58] <leftyfb> left_bee: please read the link I posted at the top
[12:58] <left_bee> I'm using this npm package https://www.npmjs.com/package/dbus-native
[12:58] <left_bee> leftyfb: yes, I'm reading
[13:00] <ppf> !info llvm trusty
[13:01] <peter22222>  hi folks... if i open a shell with Ctrl+alt+f4 and start desktop with startx, how can i close that session
[13:01] <left_bee> tomreyn: this is the function I'm using https://pastebin.com/1LcqErmk
[13:01] <pragmaticenigma> peter22222: To start with, you should not be using startx ... Once you close the desktop session you should return to the tty you started from where you can log out
[13:02] <tomreyn> left_bee: ok, but i think you wanted to tell someone else about it
[13:03] <left_bee> tomreyn: oh, yeah, sorry about that
[13:04] <leftyfb> left_bee: you're specifically requesting resources from the unity-webapps-service service without having it installed
[13:04] <tomreyn> np ;)
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> left_bee: This is channel is not really intended for software development questions. You should seek out the correct channels like #programming or NodeJS channels. As for your original question, you should not be hooking directly into the desktop environment for your application. Look into using DBUS... that's what it's for.
[13:06] <left_bee> leftyfb: I have that package installed, and I think my question is, how do I make my function applicable to all linux distros, and not just ubuntu ?
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> left_bee: see my statement above
[13:07] <left_bee> pragmaticenigma: yeah okay, I understand. Thanks
[13:08] <leftyfb> left_bee: not rely on services that are only available on certain flavors of ubuntu
[13:08] <left_bee> leftyfb: yes. I should read about DBUS stuff I guess.
[13:13] <Chris56> good evening
[13:13] <smutje> hello all
[13:15] <peter22222> pragmaticenigma sorry i had network problems...
[13:16] <peter22222> does anybody know why ctrl+alt+f1-6 is working, but not f7-12..?
[13:18] <ducasse> peter22222: because only 1-6 is set up to run a getty, i suspect
[13:19] <peter22222> thank you ducasse ... i can switch to tty1-6 by ctrl+alt+f1-6, but if i want to switch back with ctrl+alt+f7 it doesnt work...
[13:19] <peter22222> so im stuck once i use tty1-6
[13:24] <Chris56> peter22222 what if you try chvt 7 or 8?
[13:25] <leftyfb> Chris56: that won't work if they haven't been setup in getty
[13:26] <Chris56> my bad
[13:27] <Chris56> I'm back for a problem from yesterday. I try to find a file and copy it to another path with no-clobber. The destination path is empty, but it is not copying anything. The file *is* found, and if the parameter no-clobber is removed it copies just fine
[13:27] <Chris56> find /mnt/s3-drive/backup/hanab1/data -type f -newermt "2018-08-31 00:00:00" ! -newermt "2018-08-31 23:59:59" -exec cp -n {} /mnt/s3-drive/backup/hanab1/monthly/ \;
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> Chris56: I believe it fails with the no clobber because of the destination path or possibly something to do with what find is passing in for a source path
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> Chris56: I'm trying to find documentation to support my hypothesis, but what I think is happening is this: No clobber is intended for a directory to directory copy. To avoid overwriting files that exist in the destination directory when doing a bulk copy.
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> Chris56: what I would recommend looking into is "rsync" which is designed for your particular need. You wouldn't need to use find, instead you can use rsync stand alone. In it's basic setup, it can take any file from a source directory and copy it to the destination if it does not already exist there.
[13:38] <peter22222> Chris56 i tried ctrl+alt+f7-12... nothing worked
[13:49] <brli_> any idea why the ubuntu patch for firefox aka. the unity-menubar.patch has never get its way into upstream?
[13:53] <adrian_1908> brli_: have you tried a websearch? look to me like it might be introduced in a coming firefox 62 update?
[13:53] <Chris56> pragmaticenigma indeed. If I write the file name it works just fine.
[13:58] <brli_> adrian_1908: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/view/head:/debian/patches/unity-menubar.patch is still applicable to firefox source tarball with only 4 failure
[13:59] <brli_> adrian_1908: if you mean the dot release later on...maybe? I haven't read such news :/
[14:02] <adrian_1908> brli_: I honestly don't know man, I just saw e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+changelog which seems to mention the patch.
[14:05] <brli_> adrian_1908: okay, thx man
[14:06] <brli_> dunnu why they release a patch without pushing it first to their vcs system...
[14:45] <s10gopal> ubuntu 18.04 is unable to search bluetooth device ( it keeps searching)
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> s10gopal: Is the device being searched for in Discoverable mode?
[14:46] <s10gopal> pragmaticenigma, yes
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> Is the device discoverable by other devices/computers?
[14:46] <s10gopal> pragmaticenigma, yes
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> what is the device?
[14:48] <s10gopal> pragmaticenigma, mobile (LG Q6) and bluetooth speaker ( boat stone 200)
[14:49] <leftyfb> s10gopal: what device is ubuntu installed on?
[14:49] <s10gopal> leftyfb, HP ay008tx
[14:51] <wr> on a ubuntu 18.04.1 to upgrade distro what would be command?
[14:52] <lotus|NUC> wr: upgrade to wich?
[14:52] <wr> lotus|NUC, lateste
[14:52] <wr> lotus|NUC, latest
[14:52] <lotus|NUC> wr: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[14:52] <wr> lotus|NUC, do release upgrade etc not anymore?
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> wr: 18.04.1 is the latest version of Ubuntu
[14:53] <s10gopal> leftyfb, pragmaticenigma output of "lshw -C network" http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rFKPQP6Ymt/
[14:54] <wr> pragmaticenigma, omg, sorry, was updating a friends pc didnt touch it long time though new version was out but guess not
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> wr: do-release-upgrade is still the valid command for jumping major versions of Ubuntu
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> but right now there isn't anything newer than 18.04. so it appears your friends machine is good to go
[15:00] <gopal__> pragmaticenigma, leftyfb , any fix?
[15:01] <lotus|NUC> !patience | gopal__
[15:19] <ne2k> s10gopal, can the ubuntu machine see any bluetooth devices at all?
[15:33] <ghostnik11> hi my lubuntu 18.04 just crashed while it was doing system updates and it got to: update-grub-efi-32ia
[15:34] <ghostnik11> how can i tell it to check and correct errors that might have been damaged during software update and fix it via terminal
[15:37] <Anthaas_> Hi, so, I am having connectivity troubles on my machine - could someone help me? It keeps saying "Connection failed - Activation of network connection failed"
[15:38] <Anthaas_> (I'm currently tethering the Wi-Fi to my computer via my mobile phone)
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: Is the machine actually able to connect despite the message?
[15:40] <Ool> Anthaas_: I tried thetering too and not working with my 18.04 laptop, with 16.04 it was working fine
[15:40] <Ool> you are not alone :P
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: Please refrain from "me too" comments.
[15:42] <Ool> not interesting to know if a bug touch a lot of people ?
[15:42] <ne2k> THETERING
[15:43] <ne2k> someone changed the entire way that networking is configured from 16.04 to 18.04. I got right confused the first time I installed a 18.04 machine. had to learn fecking YAML just to set an IP address
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: If you are experiencing an issue, then please bring it up as your own inquiry. The "me too" commentary tends to spark chat instead of productive support dialogue. The IRC chat room is not searched for bug reports. If you are experiencing a bug, then file a bug report
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> !bug
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> ne2k: Please mind your language. Obfuscations or otherwise are discouraged.
[15:45] <ne2k> pragmaticenigma, obfuscations or otherwise?
[15:45] <ne2k> what does that even mean?
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> ne2k: obfuscation is to use replacement letters or words to imply a particular word with out spelling it outright
[15:47] <Anthaas_> pragmaticenigma: I don't believe so, no.
[15:47] <Anthaas_> The weird thing is, it does connect _sometimes_.
[15:47] <Anthaas_> For only a couple of minutes.
[15:47] <ne2k> pragmaticenigma, I know what obfuscation is. I was wondering what the "or otherwise" meant.
[15:48] <ne2k> pragmaticenigma, and, FYI, it wasn't obfuscation
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> ne2k: this isn't a forum for debate.. please stop
[15:48] <ne2k> pragmaticenigma, it's Irish English
[15:48] <ne2k> now I remember why I never come on this channel
[15:49] <bieb> I know this isnt the raspberry pi channel, but hopefully someone knows a way to fix this issue:  I have an Acer UT220HQL touch monitor connected to my pi, it is recognized fine, but the settings are off, and I am not sure where to adjust them. There is about an inch border around the desktop that is not used, how do I expand the gui to use the full monitor. This may fix my second issue.. which is the calibration of where I touch on the m
[15:49] <bieb> onitor is not exact with the button or menu placement
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> bieb: You're right, this isn't the Raspberry Pi channel... it's offtopic... please seek help elsewhere
[15:50] <ne2k> bieb, are you driving it at its native resolution?
[15:50] <bieb> ne2k: yes
[15:50] <ne2k> bieb, what connection is the video using? HDMI?
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> ne2k: Do you not understand that this is an Ubuntu support channel. Please stop, they need to find the correct venue for support
[15:50] <bieb> ne2k: yes, HDMI
[15:50] <ne2k> pragmaticenigma, I'm doing it just to annoy you
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> !offtopic | bieb
[15:51] <Anthaas_> ne2k: Don't be petulant.
[15:51] <m_i_k_e> #raspberrypi
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: Even without connection to the internet does the machine report that it is actively connected
[15:52] <ne2k> bieb, do you get the same border if you drive it at different resolutions? how about text mode? how about the rainbow boot screen? and do you get a border if you drive it from a different computer?
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> as in, it sees the wifi hotspot
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | ne2k
[15:52] <Anthaas_> pragmaticenigma: Yes - "Wired - Connected"
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: You tethered via USB?
[15:52] <Anthaas_> Currently, yes.
[15:53] <ne2k> ARGH! Oh No!
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: That may be an issue with drivers for tethering via the USB. Are you able to get it to work via WiFi tethering?
[15:54] <Anthaas_> Sorry - I think I may have misconstrued my issue - that is entirely my fault, sorry.
[15:55] <Anthaas_> pragmaticenigma: My home router is in my living room, this machine is upstairs, and the two are connected via powerline adapter.
[15:55] <Anthaas_> My computer is currently connected via a USB tether to my mobile phone which is forwarding my house WiFi.
[15:56] <ne2k> wow, I haven't been called petulant for a while! gotta put that one in the diary
[15:57] <Anthaas_> Uh huh
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: I haven't heard of that setup before. When connected to the mobile, are you also connected to the connection via powerline adapter too?
[15:58] <Anthaas_> pragmaticenigma: The mobile is only connected because I can't talk to you guys otherwise - it wouldn't usually be.
[15:58] <Anthaas_> The issue is that I am getting "Wired - Connected" when using the powerline adapter, but no internet connection.
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: AH, okay... starting to get a better picture
[15:59] <Anthaas_> I'm sorry - I didn't explain myself very well.
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: That's alright
[15:59] <ne2k> Anthaas_, does the connection work if you disconnect it from the powerline adapter and plug it directly into the router?
[15:59] <Anthaas_> ne2k: The two devices are on separate floors in the house - that isn't feasible.
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: So, tricky thing with powerline, is there are lots of reasons it would have issues. Startign with whether or not the two rooms are on the same side of the distribution panel of your main breaker box
[16:00] <Anthaas_> pragmaticenigma: That I do know - they are.
[16:00] <ne2k> Anthaas_, do you have a portable device you could test first directly in to the router and then over the powerline?
[16:00] <Anthaas_> I know that on the basis that this connection _used_ to work perfectly.
[16:00] <Anthaas_> It has only recently stopped.
[16:00] <Anthaas_> I am hesitant to say the powerline adapter is faulty though on the basis that it sometimes connections for a short burst.
[16:00] <Anthaas_> connects*
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: Do the powerline adapters have any reset/sync feature? possible they need to be re-paired together?
[16:01] <Anthaas_> pragmaticenigma: I have done that, too. I do have another machine downstairs which also uses a powerline adapter, and it has a great connection.
[16:02] <Anthaas_> (They have sync buttons on the front)
[16:02] <ne2k> Anthaas_, swap the powerline boxes on the two machines and see whether the problem follows the location or the box
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: are there any fans or motors running in any of the rooms? anything new added to the house since it last worked properly?
[16:03] <Anthaas_> pragmaticenigma: The second machine was connected.
[16:03] <Anthaas_> Literally the only change.
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: If you remove that second machine does this machine start to work?
[16:04] <Anthaas_> It is currently switched off, and the answer in this case is no.
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: though the machine is switched off... is the adapter unplugged as well?
[16:05] <Anthaas_> I can do that and try now?
[16:06] <Anthaas_> I will brb - I will probably disconnect as a result of this.
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> okay
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> before you go
[16:07] <Anthaas_> Yes?
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> Other thigns to try, swap the adapters between the two machines... if the troubleshooting machine starts to work, and other stops... then it's the adapters
[16:08] <ne2k> swap the adapters between the machines
[16:08] <Anthaas_> Yup
[16:08] <Anthaas_> Ok - trying now!
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> or rather an issue with the adapters...
[16:08] <ne2k> [17:02] <ne2k> Anthaas_, swap the powerline boxes on the two machines and see whether the problem follows the location or the box
[16:08] <ne2k> but yeah
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> beyond that, I think were approaching the need to contact the manufacturer of the powerline system to see if they have more precise troubleshooting ideas Anthaas_
[16:09] <ne2k> oh, sorry, sorry, must stop being a borrowed puppy or whatever it was. cat I got given for a bit. pet-u-lent
[16:09] <ne2k> I mean, this is all entirely to do with Ubuntu, isn't it
[16:10] <ne2k> and nothing to do with ethernet over powerline hardware
[16:11] <ne2k> bieb, I have to go. hope you get your monitor thing sorted
[16:12] <bieb> ne2k: thanks! have a good day
[16:13] <ne2k> bieb, I'm hoping to, but it's going to take me a while to calm down from my petulance so, you know, it's all a bit in the balance
[16:13] <bieb> ne2k: lol
[16:14] <Anthaas_> So, the other machine is completely disconnected.
[16:15] <Anthaas_> I repaired the two powerline adapters, and reset them, and I am connected.
[16:15] <Anthaas_> If I disconnect at any point, you'll know it died.
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas_: I think the issue is within the powerline adapters then. I would get in touch with the manufacturer of those devices for further assistance
[16:16] <Anthaas_> TP-Link
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> What we've done is verified the issue isn't in the computer, so it falls outside of the channel's ability to help
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> Hopefully TP-Link reps or support forums can help you out my friend.
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> I've gotta run
[16:20] <madLyfe> should all of my internal drives be in fstab?
[16:24] <JimBuntu> madLyfe, if you want them to be mounted at boot
[16:25] <madLyfe> well they are auto mounted when i login and view them in file manager
[16:25] <madLyfe> is that what you mean by boot?
[16:26] <Anthaas_> He essentially means when your machine is turned on by "boot"
[16:29] <madLyfe> because the only thing mounted in fstab is the OS disk/partitions and a manually mounted samba network share.
[16:29] <madLyfe> found it odd my other two drives were not in there.
[16:32] <sangy> hi, my SO has issues with ubuntu 18. Firefox takes like a minute to start and sudo takes a while to authenticate. Has anyone experienced this?
[16:33] <tomreyn> sangy: there are Ubuntu 18.04.0, 18.04.1 and soon there will be 18.04.2 and 18.10. !Ubuntu 18" does not and will never exist.
[16:34] <Anthaas_> I think it is clear that they meant 18.04
[16:35] <Anthaas_> Which patch version is most likely irrelevant to this problem.
[16:35] <tomreyn> i disagree.
[16:36] <tomreyn> but more details would surely help either way.
[16:36] <tomreyn> !details
[16:39] <sangy> ugh, sorry. It's 18.04.1
[16:40] <sangy> tomreyn: ^
[16:43] <s10gopal> my machine is unable to see any bluetooth device
[16:43] <tomreyn> sangy: standard gnome desktop? X or (x)waylaynd?
[16:44] <tomreyn> sangy: can you run firefox from a terminal and post the output.
[16:48] <sangy> standard gnome desktop, X11 (as per XDG_SESSION_TYPE)
[16:49] <sangy> running firefox from the terminal, nothing shows up just takes a while to start
[16:50] <sangy> this is printed after closing it though. Not sure if it's related https://ptpb.pw/qT-o
[16:50] <sangy> kinda surprised it says "chromium" in the path. It *is* firefox though
[16:54] <sangy> firefox 61.0.1 to be precise
[17:02] <tomreyn> check the bottom of dmesg (ignoring / stripping all upper case UFW lines) for errors
[17:09] <sangy> just figured it out: after updating to 18 the hostname changed to mythinkpad, rather than the old thinkpad (probably naminng the computer was an update step?), adding 127.0.0.1 mythinkpad to /etc/hosts fixes it
[17:10] <sangy> I honestly have no idea why this happens, but saw that the strace of sudo was trying to resolve mythinkpad through the network which was rather odd...
[17:10] <sangy> thanks though!
[17:16] <cluelessperson> wtf, download dialog boxes don't show up anymore
[17:22] <moredrowsy> can i ask kvm questions here or is there a better place?
[17:23] <JimBuntu> moredrowsy, if it's related to Ubuntu, you may get support
[17:24] <moredrowsy> well...its not only on ubuntu but it's a qemu virtual machine question on ubuntu.
[17:24] <moredrowsy> just wondering when i change computers with ubuntu install, does the kvm still work on it when it does a passthrough to host
[17:25] <cluelessperson> god, ubuntu 18 is so buggy
[17:26] <cluelessperson> fatal bugs
[17:27] <compdoc> moredrowsy, if the cpu changes and you have one defined in the guest, you might have to edit that out of the xml file
[17:27] <cluelessperson> wifi gui hangs, preventing settings menu from working
[17:27] <cluelessperson> chrome downloads fail to show the download dialog, making downloads not work
[17:27] <cluelessperson> I think that happens because I setup a user mount with CIFS
[17:27] <cluelessperson> (because nautilus GVFS/samba mounts are slow/ do not work)
[17:27] <Stabington> Evenin gents
[17:28] <moredrowsy> compdoc, if i don't do host-passthrough would that increase compatability?
[17:28] <compdoc> I dont use passthrough, but if you have it working properly on the new machine, i dont see why it wouldnt work.
[17:29] <compdoc> you might have to remove it then add it back
[17:29] <Stabington> Having troubles with sound... suddenly decides to down-pitch everything, and I'm hearing occasional static noises ;_;
[17:29] <compdoc> maybe remove it before the move
[17:30] <moredrowsy> compdoc, i haven't tried to move on the new machine yet. i'm doing it today for the school computers to boot up windows on linux (cause the professor wants us on it..)
[17:30] <moredrowsy> so im running a win vm
[17:30] <moredrowsy> just wanted to make sure things work on the new machine
[17:31] <moredrowsy> compdoc, do you know how compatible with a new install on old machine without host-passthrough (or default settings)
[17:31] <moredrowsy> work when transfering to a new machine?
[17:31] <cluelessperson> restarting ubuntu doesn't fix it
[17:31] <compdoc> you can only try
[17:31] <moredrowsy> cause i just realized win10 is super picky with hardware changes
[17:32] <compdoc> copy the qcow file, or whatever, and keep the original.
[17:33] <moredrowsy> ok thanks, will try and hope for the best.
[17:34]  * katamo bionic == <3, but samba =/= <3
[17:34] <cluelessperson> katamo: is bionic the nautilus smb driver?
[17:35] <cluelessperson> because it can't even display large directories with lots of files/folders
[17:35] <katamo> cluelessperson bionic=18.04
[17:36] <cluelessperson> katamo: it looks nice, but if it continues to have these fatal bugs, I will be forced to downgrade to 16
[17:37] <katamo> cluelessperson what hardware are you on? bionic + Dell 7720 has been a dream in my experience. I have only used samba shares in VM's though so cant speak to that.
[17:38] <cluelessperson> katamo: Thinkpad Carbon X1 3rd Gen
[17:39]  * katamo hmmmmm, have seen several X1's in here for help
[17:39] <katamo> cluelessperson do any of these bugs match your issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/samba-bugs
[17:39] <cluelessperson> katamo: might've been me.  I've come in several times before reporting stuff. :P
[17:40] <cluelessperson> katamo: it's the nautilus samba extension that fails
[17:40] <katamo> :)
[17:40] <cluelessperson> samba hasn't been a problem for me
[17:40] <cluelessperson> katamo: it seems to mainly be the GUI user facing stuff.
[17:41] <cluelessperson> WIFI menu freezes up (blocking), Nautilus Samba Extension (Blocking),  Chrome Download Dialog (Blocking)
[17:41] <cluelessperson> all GUI stuff
[17:41] <katamo> Odd, i havent seen those issues but mine is a clean install too :/
[17:42] <cluelessperson> katamo: see, on 16, I occassionally had a system hang, but typically I could keep my laptop session running for weeks until something required a restart
[17:42] <katamo> I think bugs would be at this package then? maybe? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-share
[17:44] <cluelessperson> katamo: thanks for linking me the bug trackers, I really should report them in the right places.
[17:45] <cluelessperson> katamo: the big deal right now is that chrome download dialogs aren't showing up
[17:45] <cluelessperson> when I close chrome it asks if I want to halt downloads, even though none are running. :/
[17:46] <katamo> cluelessperson its recommended to look for similar reports to what you are experiencing first and the chrome / wifi / samba thing all sounding similar-ish concerns me
[17:46] <cluelessperson> katamo: they sound like different bugs to me
[17:47] <cluelessperson> wifi appears to be stuck waiting on the wifi driver to return data
[17:47] <cluelessperson> chrome seems to hang on saving to a mounted filesystem
[17:47] <cluelessperson> katamo: they do sound like similar problems sorta actually
[17:47] <katamo> so chrome & nautilus behaviors could be the same root issue
[17:48] <katamo> and then whether the wifi issue is involved in the network filesystem is plausible
[17:48] <katamo> can you test the nautilus/chrome stuff over ethernet adapter?
[17:48] <cluelessperson> katamo: the wifi settings menu unfreezes when I enable airplane mode (disabling wifi)
[17:49] <cluelessperson> So, to get it to work, I open the menu, enable airplane mode, click the button, disable airplane mode, click the next button, enter the wifi passowrd
[17:49] <cluelessperson> RE-enable airplane mode, hit okay, DISABLE airplane mode again, exit out quick before it freezes again
[17:49] <cluelessperson> then it connects in the background
[17:50] <lovepopsickle> anyone know of a reason why ubuntu has not upgraded thunderbird to 60 yet?
[17:51] <katamo> cluelessperson personally I end up doing most of my wifi mgmt in nmtui simply because of my ssh addiction & odd use case but I do use the wifi-tui to do eap-tls testing regularly so I've seen it a lot
[17:53] <s10gopal> Ubuntu 18.04 is unable to find bluetooth device
[18:02] <s10gopal> in bluetoothctl , getting error while using power on "Failed to set power on: org.bluez.Error.Blocked"
[18:04] <katamo> s10gopal shot in the dark sounds maybe like hw button/hot key/bios setting?
[18:11] <s10gopal> katamo, fixed the error by turning on bt in gui , but still not able to find bt device , it keep on searching
[18:15] <s10gopal> katamo, output of "service bluetooth status" http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/smJx6hFW87/
[18:15] <katamo> s10gopal I'm stuck on another project rn, good luck :)
[18:15] <tomreyn> s10gopal: rfkill is a command you can run
[18:16] <s10gopal> tomreyn, how to fix it?
[18:17] <tomreyn> s10gopal: have you run rfkill, yet?
[18:17] <s10gopal> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jxmq6MxftG/
[18:18] <tomreyn> s10gopal: okay, it says unblovcked, but the log you posted earlier suggested it was blocked by rfkill.
[18:19] <cluelessperson> katamo: rebooted ubuntu again after dist-upgrade, downloads work again
[18:19] <s10gopal> tomreyn, driver problem?
[18:19] <tomreyn> maybe Sep 07 23:34 is a while ago for you and you already unblocked the bluetooth device earlier.
[18:19] <katamo> cluelessperson congrats!
[18:20] <s10gopal> tomreyn, the log was around a minute old
[18:20] <cluelessperson> katamo: thank you, wizard
[18:20] <tomreyn> s10gopal: could be. this is pretty much all i know about bluetooth. never really used it. i think there are some control or  diagnostics commands for bluetooth which start with hci...
[18:21] <katamo> cluelessperson not wizard, just broken things more times than I can count lol
[18:22] <cluelessperson> katamo: call us, the JACKHAMMER
[18:22] <tomreyn> s10gopal: "one minute old" is unlikely. the paste says it was posted from gopal at Fri, 7 Sep 2018 18:14:16 +0000, and the youngest log message is Sep 07 23:34:29 (your local time), so it must have been at least 34+14=48 minutes earlier.
[18:23] <katamo> cluelessperson as a girl I'll opt out of "jackhammer" as a nick name lol
[18:23] <coz_> jillhammer? :)
[18:23] <cluelessperson> katamo: I don't understand how that's a sexist term. D:
[18:24] <katamo> coz_ alrighty lol
[18:24] <coz_> :)
[18:24] <s10gopal> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mxq4fjj8G7/
[18:24] <coz_> katamo, it flows from the lips just as well
[18:24] <cluelessperson> katamo: is there any female character in all history that was a destroyer of worlds?
[18:24] <katamo|aka_katha> coz_ cluelessperson <<newnic
[18:25] <tomreyn> s10gopal:  meaning?
[18:25] <coz_> katamo|aka_katha, got it
[18:25] <s10gopal> tomreyn, service bluetooth status
[18:25] <s10gopal> current
[18:25] <katamo|aka_katha> *kathammer :P
[18:26] <tomreyn> s10gopal: right, but the log records it outputs are not recent.
[18:26] <tomreyn> s10gopal: anyways, can't help, look into the hci... commands, good luck
[18:26] <katamo|aka_katha> coz_ guess I ran out of charachters :(
[18:26] <coz_> :)
[18:27] <s10gopal> tomreyn, Command 'hci' not found,
[18:27] <coz_> s10gopal, rfkill unblock bluetooth  systemctl enable bluetooth.service   systemctl start bluetooth.service    3 commands, was this suggested?
[18:28] <coz_> sudo^^
[18:30] <tomreyn> s10gopal doesn't have bluez installed
[18:31] <iceisfun> I have a few Ubuntu 17.10 servers with static netplan addresses configured, somehow the interface ends up with no ip on it after some time and a netplan apply corrects the issue
[18:32] <hans_> when using btrfs as / why does the installer make a subvolume for /home/ ?
[18:32] <iceisfun> All 3 of the machines that have lost their address are virtual machines on u17.10 using netplan
[18:32] <katamo|kathammer> iceisfun journalctl output during @ time of connection loss would be interesting
[18:32] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | iceisfun 17.10 is eol, please upgrade
[18:34] <iceisfun> All I have is bind errors for unreachable networks, the logs don't go back far enough
[18:34] <tomreyn> iceisfun: dont waste time on debugging issues before you upgraded to a supported release.
[18:38] <s10gopal> coz_, still same error
[18:39] <coz_> s10gopal, mmm let me check further
[18:40] <migs123> is there anyone here that can help me with broken packages
[18:40] <s10gopal> coz_, my problem is ubuntu keep on searching for bluetooth devices
[18:40] <coz_> ok
[18:40] <coz_> migs123, do you have synaptic installed? << easier solution
[18:41] <migs123> coz_, yes. I have been trying it all morning. It says that The following packages have been kept back:
[18:41] <migs123>   gir1.2-peas-1.0 libpeas-1.0-0 qml-module-io-thp-pyotherside rdnssd
[18:41] <migs123>   ruby-byebug ruby-json
[18:42] <coz_> migs123, hold on
[18:43] <tomreyn> migs123: please post the url returned by:  sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1; echo '*****'; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[18:45] <coz_> oops ^^
[18:45] <hans_> why would you sudo bin true?
[18:46] <hans_> oh right, short timespan where sudo doesn't ask for password
[18:46] <tomreyn> exactly
[18:46] <migs123> tomreyn, sorry someone was at the door
[18:46] <tomreyn> migs123: thats fine
[18:50] <migs123> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2MbkdKX8vz/
[18:51] <hans_> what does this mean? [    3.296154] print_req_error: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[18:51] <cluelessperson> katamo|kathammer: I'm getting general protection faults in ubuntu's syslog
[18:51] <cluelessperson> this laptop may have had it.
[18:52] <hans_> what is `dev fd0` ?
[18:52] <cluelessperson> hans_: floppy disk?
[18:52] <hans_> maybe VMWare is doing something weird with floppy disk emulation
[18:52] <hans_> dunno
[18:53] <tomreyn> migs123: you have mixed xenial (16.04) and bionic (18.04) apt sources. you need to clean those up.
[18:53] <migs123> how do I do that
[18:53] <migs123> tomreyn,
[18:54] <migs123> ya cause i recently upgraded
[18:54] <migs123> tomreyn, I actually went into my repository list after I got that error when upgrading and selected some of them
[18:55] <tomreyn> migs123: run "software-properties-gtk --open-tab=1" and either remove or edit those which say "xenial"
[18:56] <tomreyn> migs123: you have not yet shown an error, just an informational message about packages not getting installed (kept back)
[18:56] <tomreyn> (...as the result of an unknown command you ran there)
[18:56] <migs123> tomreyn, yes but I actually interupted an upgrade through the terminal by accicdent I am wondering if that threw the system off
[18:57] <jsievers> t/f, no way in a crontab to launch something on alternate tuesdays w/out additional tests?
[18:57] <tomreyn> migs123: i couldn't tell, yet, but we can find out. but first of all, make sure you have 'bionic' apt sources only (you can keep 'bionic' PPAs).
[18:57] <jsievers> such as having to calculate out day number since 1st tuesday of epoch and then mod 14
[18:59] <tomreyn> jsievers: how about 2/2 in the day of week field?
[19:00] <migs123> tomreyn, how do you disable the sources from 16.04?
[19:00] <tomreyn> migs123: <tomreyn> migs123: run "software-properties-gtk --open-tab=1" and either remove or edit those which say "xenial"
[19:00] <jsievers> tomreyn: but what about dsay of month field, docs say DOM and DOW are or'd
[19:01] <tomreyn> jsievers: i'm not sure i got "alternate tuesdays" corrently. does this mean every 2nd tuesday?
[19:02] <migs123> tomreyn, all of my ppa's are xenial?
[19:02] <jsievers> tomreyn: yes
[19:02] <tomreyn> jsievers: then just put * for month
[19:02] <tomreyn> and for day of month, too
[19:02] <tomreyn> migs123: some of them. see what you posted to the pastebin
[19:02] <migs123> tomreyn, handbrake, airplayer smplayer all have xenial
[19:03] <migs123> ok
[19:03] <migs123> tomreyn, I will checkagian soryr
[19:03] <jsievers> tomreyn: right but methinks cron going to launch it daily
[19:05] <tomreyn> jsievers: can you quote the manual where it says tht DOM and DOW are OR'd?
[19:05] <migs123> tomreyn, so I really cant keep the xenial ppas? brightbox is for screencasting and i love smplayer...
[19:06] <tomreyn> migs123: maybe those ppa's provide the same software for bionic. try just editing these lines, replacing 'xenial' by 'bionic'
[19:06] <JimBuntu> I think tomreyn has it with 2/2, or possibly with tue/2. That should skip every other tuesday
[19:07] <migs123> o ok
[19:09] <jsievers> tomreyn: man 5 crontab then... The  day of a command's execution...
[19:09] <jsievers> tomreyn: confusing but seems to imply there's no purely crontabish way of doing it :-(
[19:10] <JimBuntu> "Step values can be used in conjunction with ranges. Following a range with "/<number>" specifies skips of the number's value through the range."
[19:11] <JimBuntu> ^^ means you may not get away with using the tue/2 example as I was mixing names with steps
[19:11] <tomreyn> jsievers: i would think that "30 4 * * 2/2" would run it on every second tuesday at 4:30 only. but if you also explicity specify DOM or month, you'd neeed to use the additional test.
[19:12] <migs123> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vgqKjSXBGP/
[19:12] <tomreyn> jsievers: i'm not entirely certain there, though, so i'd suggest testing it (by also setting hour = * and minute = NOW +1m)
[19:12] <migs123> tomreyn, but I am still getting the The following packages have been kept back:
[19:12] <migs123>   gir1.2-peas-1.0 libpeas-1.0-0 qml-module-io-thp-pyotherside rdnssd
[19:12] <migs123>   ruby-byebug ruby-json
[19:12] <tomreyn> migs123: as a result of which command?
[19:13] <jsievers> tomreyn  and trying to say tue/2 gives an error
[19:13] <migs123> when I do the sudo-apt get upgrade
[19:13] <tomreyn> jsievers: my suggestion was 2/2
[19:15] <migs123> tomreyn, so those packages that are left back are ok? I tried to install them through synaptic but it said they are broken
[19:15] <tomreyn> migs123: what about: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:15] <migs123> tomreyn, same thing
[19:15] <JimBuntu> indeed jsievers , 2/2 isn't working in my simulations for day of the week, I use this for mins/hours frequently
[19:18] <tomreyn> migs123: please post the url returned by:  sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get -Vy dist-upgrade 2>&1 ; echo '*****'; apt-cache policy gir1.2-peas-1.0 libpeas-1.0-0 qml-module-io-thp-pyotherside rdnssd ruby-byebug ruby-json 2>&1; )
[19:19] <tomreyn> migs123: note that this command wrapped onto two lines here
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> jsievers: Looking for every other tuesday? this may work: 30 4 * * 2 [`expr \`date +\%s\` / 86400 \% 2` -eq 1] && /command
[19:20] <migs123> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q9GJjspXCY/
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> jsievers: or 30 4 1-31/2 * 2 /command
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> I have more confidence in the second one
[19:22] <tomreyn> migs123: so apparently ruby-byebug and ruby-json are no longer an issue?
[19:24] <tomreyn> migs123: please ignore this question
[19:25] <migs123> tomreyn, ok cause i wasn't sure what you meant lol
[19:25] <ioria> mispp, you still have xenial pkgs install ; try with apt install --reinstall or with   apt full-upgrade
[19:25] <ioria> *ed
[19:25] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, wouldn't that be basically every other day and every tuesday?
[19:26] <funabashi> with apt-cache search tool. how can i see which version its?
[19:26] <tomreyn> migs123: please post the output of: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt-mark showhold 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get -Vy install gir1.2-peas-1.0 libpeas-1.0-0 qml-module-io-thp-pyotherside rdnssd ruby-byebug ruby-json 2>&1; )
[19:27] <tomreyn> ioria: were you addressing migs123? they already did dist-upgrade, which i think is equivalent to full-upgrade
[19:27] <ioria> tomreyn, yep
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: No, it's every odd tuesday
[19:28] <JimBuntu> Oh, I thought any day match would trigger it.
[19:28] <tomreyn> funabashi: i don't think you can (not sure though), but you can with apt-cache policy <packegname>
[19:30] <cluelessperson> my syslog is getting "general protection fault"
[19:30] <cluelessperson> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_protection_fault
[19:30] <cluelessperson> it's unclear if this is caused by potentially malicious / broken software, or failing hardware
[19:30] <tomreyn> funabashi: apt-cache(8) states that you can: apt-cache search --full <packagename>
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: I think I have the asterisk in the right spot... I use a very similar one to trigger a download on the second wednesday of the month
[19:30] <migs123> ioria, I don't see any xenial packages
[19:31] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: show the logged message in context, also have a look at (and possibly pastebinit) the 'dmesg' command output
[19:31] <ioria> migs123, gir1.2-peas-1.0: 1.16.0-1ubuntu2 is Xenial not bionic
[19:31] <funabashi> tomreyn: i want a newer version then i have, do you know how i can add this ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/amd64/openvas/9.0.0
[19:32] <tomreyn> funabashi: artful is 17.10, end of life, no longer supported.
[19:32] <migs123> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/srDrwWqJ6V/
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | funabashi
[19:33] <tomreyn> funabashi: are you saying you are trinyg to install openvas 9? on which ubuntu version?
[19:33] <funabashi> tomreyn: 17.10
[19:33] <tomreyn> !eol | funabashi
[19:34] <tomreyn> !17.10
[19:34] <migs123> ioria, tomreyn == should I just unistall those packages via synaptic?
[19:35] <migs123> or is there a bionic equivalent
[19:36] <ioria> migs123, i'd try to reinstall     sudo apt install --reinstall gir1.2-peas-1.0 libpeas-1.0-0 qml-module-io-thp-pyotherside rdnssd ruby-byebug ruby-json
[19:36] <cluelessperson> tomreyn: https://ghostbin.com/paste/cfmhh
[19:37] <tomreyn> migs123: you will need to purge ruby (and optionally reinstall it) and install libpython3.6
[19:38] <ioria> migs123, the problem might be that libpython3.6 is not from repo but from a ppa
[19:38] <cluelessperson> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1787328
[19:38] <cluelessperson> might be that
[19:40] <migs123> tomreyn, ioria so I can't install libpyton3.6 from the terminal?
[19:41] <cim209> i got detached a channel from hexchat, how do i re-attach it?
[19:41] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: i agree, looks related. i'd subscribe to the bug and not use cifs omunts for now, if possible.
[19:41] <tomreyn> migs123: i dont see why not?
[19:42] <ioria> migs123,  that pkg is only from ppa,if you updated it should work
[19:42] <tomreyn> cim209: select from the menu of the detached window: hexchat -> attach
[19:43] <funabashi> tomreyn: if u can install it on ubuntu 16.x you must be able to do it in 17.10 but thanks anyway for help
[19:43] <migs123> tomreyn, ioria I do see libpython3.6 in synaptie
[19:43] <ioria> !info libpython3.6
[19:43] <cim209> tomreyn, oh wow i didn't see that. i'm using the cupertino mate panels and i just seen two menus that says hexchat
[19:43] <tomreyn> funabashi: end of life releases are not supported here
[19:43] <ioria> migs123,  ok
[19:44] <migs123> tomreyn, ioria I tried to install it from synaaptic and it says there are broken packages
[19:44] <tomreyn> funabashi: (and i have a feeling we told you so before?)
[19:44] <cluelessperson> tomreyn: ugh. :(  nautilus smb mounts are slow as hell
[19:44] <tomreyn> cim209: there's also #hexchat btw.
[19:44] <ioria> migs123,  probably olso ruby is outdated   - apt-cache policy ruby | pastebinit
[19:44] <cim209> tomreyn, thanks i didn't know
[19:45] <tomreyn> ioria: ruby is from xenial based on its version string
[19:45] <ioria> yes
[19:45] <tomreyn> cf. lines 27-28 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/srDrwWqJ6V/
[19:45] <migs123> ioria, yes I uninstalled and reinstalled it
[19:46] <ioria> migs123,  apt-cache policy ruby | pastebint
[19:46] <ioria> migs123,  apt-cache policy ruby | pastebinit
[19:46] <migs123> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pzB3xpYtRx/
[19:47] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: you could try using smbclient instead for now (until this apparent kernel bug has been solved)
[19:47] <ioria> migs123,  that is ok
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: I think you tagged the wrong person
[19:47] <migs123> ioria, what is ok
[19:48] <ioria> migs123,  ruby version
[19:48] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: where?
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> nm tomreyn
[19:48] <migs123> ioria, ruby 2.5.1p57 (2018-03-29 revision 63029)
[19:48] <migs123> ioria, tomreyn how can i install the libpython
[19:49] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: i tend to, though, thanks for keeping an eye on it :)
[19:49] <cluelessperson> tomreyn: I for one believe and subscribe to my ubuntu overlords.
[19:50] <ioria> migs123, wait... it's  not 2.5.1p57 it's 1:2.5.1   why you wrote that ?
[19:50] <tomreyn> ioria: this will be --version output, i yould think
[19:51] <migs123> ioria, sorry I just did ruby --version in terminal I see that it is differetn in the pastebinm
[19:51] <tomreyn> migs123: sudo apt purge libpython3.6; sudo apt install libpython3.6
[19:51] <ioria> migs123, that ^
[19:52] <migs123> tomreyn, I got "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:52] <migs123>  libpython3.6 : Depends: libpython3.6-stdlib (= 3.6.5-3) but 3.6.5-5~16.04.york1 is to be installed
[19:52] <migs123> "
[19:52] <tomreyn> migs123: use "dpkg -l <packagename> | cat" or "apt-cache policy <packagename" (and look for the version preceeding "/var/lib/dpkg/status")  to determine the package version
[19:53] <ioria> migs123, told you , you still have xenial pkgs installed
[19:53] <tomreyn> migs123: geez, your dependencies are all messaed up because you had those xenial ppas. try my script to list all those non bionic packages... https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/#foreign_packages
[19:54] <tomreyn> ...where "xenial packages" means "package versions from xenial"
[19:57] <migs123> tomreyn, what do i do after that
[19:58] <tomreyn> migs123: you either "install" (upgrade to) the proper package versions from bionic (see apt-cache policy <packagename> to get those versions), or you purge those packages which you con't actually need.
[20:00] <migs123> tomreyn, so I can just purge the gir1 and reinstall
[20:00] <migs123> ?
[20:01] <migs123> tomreyn, ioria so I tried to purge the gir1.2 pease
[20:01] <migs123> peas
[20:01] <migs123> I tried to reinstall it but I got the dependency issu
[20:04] <tomreyn> migs123: example for finding bionic version and upgrading to it: find bionic version number for bash: "apt-cache policy bash" (the 'Candidate' one is that from bionic, or from your PPA for bionic). to install (upgrade to) the proper bash version: "apt install bash=4.4.18-2ubuntu1"
[20:04] <tomreyn> so this is how it can be done without purging.
[20:06] <tomreyn> migs123: with purging, you can use "dpkg --purge <packagename>" instead of "apt purge <packagename>" since dpkg is more forgiving when you create dependency issues. and if you just purge, then install (this time using apt) a package this will resolve the dpeendency issues the purge caused.
[20:08] <migs123> tomreyn, I just purged all of those packages that were held back, is that wrong?
[20:08] <tomreyn> migs123: not if you'll reinstall them, or they're not neede3d.
[20:09] <migs123> tomreyn, are those packages important?
[20:09] <tomreyn> migs123: apt will complain if so.
[20:10] <tomreyn> migs123: can you hsow the output of the foreign_packages script?
[20:11] <tomreyn> migs123: also: apt update; apt -f install
[20:11] <tomreyn> +sudo
[20:12] <migs123> tomreyn, i will pastebin it
[20:12] <migs123> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x96fVDbWYQ/
[20:12] <tomreyn> lol, not a short list
[20:13] <migs123> haha
[20:13] <migs123> tomreyn, now I can see some of the xenial packages
[20:14] <tomreyn> yes, this is what this script helps you with
[20:14] <migs123> great
[20:14] <migs123> tomreyn, thanks it is very helpful
[20:15] <tomreyn> migs123: note that not all of these lines of output end with ": No available version in archive", some end with " newer than version in archive"
[20:16] <Ankhers> When using the zip command line utility, does anyone know if it is possible to specify a directory, but have its contents be at the top level of the archive?
[20:17] <migs123> tomreyn, so what does no available version mean in this circumstance pertaining to my issue?
[20:17] <tomreyn> migs123: what you need to do now is to purge all those which end with ": No available version in archive", and to downgrade (or dpkg --purge  and apt install) those which end in " newer than version in archive"
[20:17] <migs123> tomreyn, really? all of them?
[20:17] <tomreyn> migs123: ": No available version in archive" means that you currently have no apt source active which provides this package in any version.
[20:18] <tomreyn> i.e. it's a leftover package from some ppa you used to have, or maybe a package you manually installed, not from an apt source.
[20:18] <migs123> tomreyn, they all have "no available version" except for youtube-dl at bottom
[20:19] <migs123> So I guess I have to reinstal smplayer youtube-dl and the ruby 2.0 dev for screencasting
[20:19] <tomreyn> migs123: no, 12 of them are "newer than version in archive"
[20:20] <migs123> ok
[20:20] <tomreyn> libpython3.6-minimal:amd64 libpython3.6-stdlib:amd64 linux-generic-hwe-16.04:amd64 linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04:amd64 linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04:amd64 python3.6:amd64 python3.6-minimal:amd64 ruby-dev:amd64 smplayer:amd64 smplayer-themes:all smtube:amd64 youtube-dl:all
[20:20] <tomreyn> those
[20:22] <tomreyn> migs123: you probably dont want linux-generic-hwe-16.04 and linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04 and linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04   - those are just the packages which provide the bionic kernel on 16.04. but since you're now running bionic you dont need those.
[20:22] <ramsub07> Hi, how do i start teamviewer from SSH?
[20:23] <ramsub07> I am connected to a system through SSH but it's at my office and I need teamviewer to see terminal outputs
[20:23] <migs123> tomreyn, is there a way to just select the package and not the "no available version"
[20:24] <migs123> like a python script or something
[20:25] <tomreyn> Ankhers: you can change to the directory above the files you want to add, so that the (remaining) path to the files is the same as you want them to appear on the archive. once there, be sure to specify the path to where the zip file should be created while runnign the 'zip' command.
[20:26] <migs123> tomreyn, i am just going to purge the packages you pasted up there and then do the installing again
[20:26] <tomreyn> migs123: ./foreign_packages | grep ': No available version in archive$' | cut -d ' ' -f1 | xargs echo
[20:27] <migs123> tomreyn, I have to go for a run
[20:27] <migs123> oh ok
[20:27] <migs123> thankd
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> ramsub07: This is an old article, not sure if it will help. This channel doesn't support teamviewer, you will need to find a teamviewer specific help forum for further assistance: http://www.tonisoto.com/2013/07/launching-teamviewer-remotely-throught-ssh/
[20:28] <tomreyn> to prevent all this trouble you're in now next time you upgrade ubuntu to a new release, be sure to ppa-purge
[20:28] <tomreyn> migs123: ^
[20:28] <ramsub07> pragmaticenigma: that, I've tried. Doesn't work anymore
[20:28] <ramsub07> at least in 16.04
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> ramsub07: Then you will have to seek help in a TeamViewer support forum
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> ramsub07: Or contact your employers help desk
[20:29] <migs123> tomreyn, thanks so much
[20:29] <tomreyn> welcome
[20:30] <cognition> Hi, I have a 14.04 system and the security scan on it showed many vulnerabilities
[20:30] <migs123> wow that is a really cool tool
[20:30] <tomreyn> cognition: what is "the security scan on it"?
[20:30] <migs123> tomreyn,  thanks for all your help!
[20:30] <cognition> http://pastebin.com/vxajcJzZ
[20:30] <tomreyn> migs123: you're welcome! :)
[20:31] <tomreyn> cognition: this helps, but doesn't answer my question.
[20:31] <migs123> tomreyn, one last question is there a way to export this chat ?
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> cognition: what tool are you using and you will have to provide more details
[20:31] <cognition> I think nessus
[20:32] <tomreyn> !irclog | migs123
[20:32] <tomreyn> !irclogs | migs123
[20:32] <tomreyn> migs123: those logs are a bit delayed, by 20 or 30 minutes, i think.
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> migs123: Note that the logs are delayed by up to one hour
[20:32] <cognition> so would an os upgrade help? it is a web server, would anything break?
[20:33] <migs123> !irclog | migs123
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> cognition: if you use the official ubuntu upgrade tools, it should be fine. if this is a production environment at a company... stop... you should build a migration plan and build a new server, transfering things over
[20:34] <cognition> k, ty
[20:34] <tomreyn> cognition: most likely something related to your web applications will break when you release upgrade. and maybe other things, too. release upgrades on production systems need to be planned and tested carefully.
[20:34] <cognition> k, ty
[20:36] <tomreyn> cognition: be sure you have complete and reliably restorable backups. if you don't mind (maybe days of downtime), you can upgrade directly and fix what breaks. if downtime is an issue, then you should clone the system and test upgrading it on a the clone, and take notes of anything you needed to do to make it work. and only then apply these changes on the production system.
[20:39] <migs123> tomreyn, how do you do the grep for "new version in archive" I replaced the "no available version" but didnt work
[20:39] <tomreyn> cognition: the very most of these issues reported by your scanner can be overcome by configuration changes. but some of them do indeed require upgrading.
[20:40] <tomreyn> migs123: ./foreign_packages | grep 'newer than version in archive$' | cut -d ' ' -f1 | xargs echo
[20:41] <tomreyn> migs123: the colon (:) is only present in the other message, easy to miss
[20:41] <tomreyn> "$" means "here's the end of the line"
[20:46] <TOOG13624> I'm having a hell of a time getting samba working after a do-release-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.
[20:47] <TOOG13624> Even with an absolutely fresh configuration, as soon as I add a share I can no longer browse the server shares - it asks for a un/pw and fails even with a user set with smbpasswd
[20:51] <TOOG13624> After completely removing everything samba (apt autoremove --purge samba*) and installing fresh, I can browse the (nonexistent) shares on the server as expected
[20:51] <TOOG13624> as in, I can browse to the samba server from Windows 10, and it shows the empty list of directories
[20:55] <TOOG13624> I can then add a directory share
[20:56] <TOOG13624> but as soon as I add a user with smbpasswd, I can't authenticate as guest or as the user
[20:57] <ramsub08> is there a recommendable RDP for linux?
[20:57] <ramsub08> client*
[20:58] <RabidWeezle> I use remina
[20:58] <katamo> ramsub08 ditto RabidWeezle
[20:58] <RabidWeezle> I might have spelled that wrong
[20:58] <katamo> or use guacamole as html5 client but it takes work to build
[20:58] <RabidWeezle> works great on windows server and ssh :)
[20:58] <katamo> remmina i think
[20:59] <RabidWeezle> Found that on accident one day on like elementary's software store
[21:06] <TOOG13624> Even with a completely stock config file, the moment I add a samba user with smbpasswd, I can no longer connect in any way to the smb server. Can't list shares, can't authenticate.
[21:06] <ghostnik11> every time i run: sudo dpkg --configure -a it freezes when it gets to: installing for i386-efi platform and my lubuntu system crashes
[21:28] <funabashi> can anyone be nie and tell me why i cant be able to install this program with apt-get  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bkbYc4NGS3/
[21:29] <katamo> funabashi what distro/version?
[21:30] <katamo> funabashi did you add a repo that supplies those packages?
[21:31] <funabashi>  Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[21:31] <funabashi> yes i did add sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mrazavi/openvas
[21:32] <katamo> funabashi i'm testing it on bionic real quick for funzies
[21:33] <funabashi> ;);)
[22:03] <hggdh> funabashi: did you run apt update before trying to install?
[22:13] <funabashi> hggdh: yep
[22:18] <ablil4k> hello world
[22:31] <ablil4k> hello friend
[22:38] <katamo> funabashi sorry i fell off the radar. just did the ppa install, apt update, then apt install openvas9 and its installing now on a clean bionic lxd container
[22:43] <tomreyn> apt-cache policy openvas9 openvas9-manager openvas9-scanner openvas9-gsa openvas9-cli
[22:44] <tomreyn> note that openvas is also in bionic
[22:45] <tomreyn> !info openvas bionic
[22:48] <katamo> tomreyn fair enough
[22:48] <katamo> I hadnt come across that package before
[22:50] <EnglishInfix> I'm having an issue installing packages rpl and krb5-user on 18.04. I am following the official documentation for SSSD for 18.04 and have tested it before a few weeks ago and had it work. Now apt-get returns that the package is no longer avaliable. It worked a few weeks ago and now it doesn't, even on a fresh install. has something happened to these packages?
[22:50] <tomreyn> EnglishInfix: which package is reported to be no longer availale?
[22:51] <EnglishInfix> krb5-user and rpl
[22:51] <tomreyn> !info rpl bionic
[22:51] <tomreyn> !info krb5-user bionic
[22:51] <tomreyn> looks available to me.
[22:53] <EnglishInfix> it's strange, I was able to install it a few weeks ago and it work fine, but now whenever I try, even on a new system, but I get an error claiming that the package is "not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[22:53] <tomreyn> this can be due to bug 1783129
[22:54] <EnglishInfix> i will check sources.list and see if universe is not enabled
[23:09] <EnglishInfix> tomreyn: it does appear i was missing the default repos. what a bug. thanks for the help :)
[23:40] <pr0t> Has anyone ever used cobbler to mirror Ubuntu apt repositoiries?
[23:40] <pr0t> I'm having some difficulties myself
[23:42] <katamo> pr0t, i've only used apt-mirror personally