[00:15] <save_me1> hi
[00:15] <save_me1> need some help, is anyone around?
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | save_me1
[00:20] <compdoc> who wants to know?
[00:27] <ghostnik11> i am trying to run this step but can't seem to get it correct: for dir in /dev /dev/pts /proc /run /sys;
[00:27] <ghostnik11> do mount --bind "$dir" /target/"$dir"
[00:30] <ghostnik11> i am trying to mount my /boot/efi partition so i can correct my grub-efi-32ia in order to fix packages as my system crashed again once it was updating software. it crashed once it got to install grub-efi-32ia
[00:30] <ghostnik11> but when i run the mount command i get this: mount: /boot/efi: special device /dev/mmblk1p1 does not exist.
[00:31] <ghostnik11> even though lsblk -f shows it to me
[00:32] <ghostnik11> hold on that was an error because i forgot to include it as: mmcblk
[00:36] <ghostnik11> i need help with just this command: for dir in /dev /dev/pts /proc /run /sys; do mount --bind "$dir"  target/"$dir"; done i get a syntax error because of the $dir but the thing i don't understand is what directory does this guide want me to bind?
[00:37] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | ghostnik11
[00:38] <ghostnik11> pragmaticenigma: sorry bro but i don't feel ignored i just thought i didn't explain it well and i might have confused everyone
[00:38] <ghostnik11> pragmaticenigma: when i first did copy and past it showed up as separate lines of code
[00:45] <rfm> ghostnik11, are you typing that command in or did you put it in a script?  there needs to be a "done" to match the "do", if interactive it should give you a ">" prompt to hint it needs more
[00:46] <rfm> ghostnik11, but if in a script you'll just get a error (I think)
[00:46] <ghostnik11> rfm: no i don't have a script. the instructions just said to properly install the bootloader then i must do that
[00:47] <ghostnik11> rfm: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VTzciobFlp7nO2A_M7RNoqYajN8c9AgR/view
[00:48] <ghostnik11> i want to figure out why my system keeps breaking the grub install when it tries to install grubia32.efi
[00:50] <ghostnik11> rfm: before i was able with the help of others here and also following instructions from the google plus t100 ubuntu group able to fix it and properly install lubuntu and have grub working but just doing software update from gui broke it. i thought the system knew where to install grub properly. i feel like it doesn't know where exactly to check
[00:55] <ghostnik11> rfm: i hope this doesn't completely break the entire system but i went into /boot/efi and changed the file: "startup.nsh" by editing it and putting at the end grubia32.efi. as i noticed when i first opened it it had fs0:\EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi so i changed the ending to grubia32.efi because thats what i believe my system should be pointing to in order to work
[00:55] <ghostnik11> rfm: i did do a back up of the original file first of course
[00:55] <nsh> i bet i could startup 100 efis
[00:56] <ghostnik11> nsh: you think it will start a 100 efis!!! like its going to break the system. because i am about to run the command to clean all the packages and see if it will install to the correct place now
[00:57] <nsh> no,  i was just making a joke because you accidentally highlighted me :)
[00:58] <ghostnik11> nsh oh okay cool
[01:06] <ghostnik11> rfm: it froze when i tried to sudo dpkg -a and it got to installing grub-32ia-efi
[01:06] <ghostnik11> nsh: well it didn't break it completely but i didn't fully solve my problem
[01:08] <ghostnik11> i think the solution i didn't do was sudo update-grub
[01:13] <mobile_c> how do i compile a package downloaded with dget
[01:13] <ghostnik11> so in terminal it won't me purge grub with the following command: sudo apt-get purge grub-common grub-pc tells me i have to do: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[01:14] <mobile_c> eg "dget -u http://ppa.launchpad.net/flosoft/cross-apple/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apple-uni-boost/apple-uni-boost_1.55-0flosoft2.dsc"
[01:14] <mobile_c> ghostnik11: then do that
[01:14] <ghostnik11> but problem is when i run sudo dpkg --configure -a, the system freezes once it tries to install grub-32ia-efi
[01:15] <mobile_c> that should not happen
[01:15] <ghostnik11> mobile_c: its going to freeze, the system i am assuming can't figure out that the correct place for where grub-32ia-efi should go is at /dev/mmcblk1p1 /boot/efi
[01:15] <mobile_c> so?
[01:16] <mobile_c> the system should NOT freeze because of something that apt/dpkg cant figure out
[01:16] <ghostnik11> mobile_c: i have a 2 in 1 pc device that came with a 32bit uefi on a 64bit cpu
[01:16] <mobile_c> if it did then all applications that seg fault would instantly freeze the pc wich is stupid
[01:17] <mobile_c> unless it is a kernel module in wich case would cause a panic crash in the kernel
[01:17] <ghostnik11> mobile_c: it freezes, is there something i can do to run like a log and track when i run the command to fix the packages. to see what exactly is freezing the system. i think it has something to do with the grub-32ia-efi
[01:18] <mobile_c> starace it
[01:18] <mobile_c> strace*
[01:18] <ghostnik11> mobile_c: or its the fact that it freezes when it says: installing for i386-efi platform
[01:19] <ghostnik11> mobile_c: hey i never even knew such a thing existed like strace!! i am going to try to do it and have it check what goes on while the command runs
[01:38] <ghostnik11> mobile_c: it even froze with strace command
[01:39] <ghostnik11> mobile_c: just got chance to reboot
[01:41] <pdkl> anyone familar with UKUU ? it installs mainline kernel on ubuntu. I am running 18.04 LTS on 4.18.6
[01:41] <tomreyn> pdkl: what is your question?
[01:41] <pdkl> boots fine, does h ave a crypti error regarding nvidia tainting the kernel
[01:41] <tomreyn> nvidia does tain the kernel, since it's proprietary
[01:42] <pdkl> "PKCS#7 signature not signed with a trusted key"
[01:42] <pdkl> do i care?
[01:42] <tomreyn> that's about a secureboot signature
[01:42] <pdkl> i mean that error should i care?
[01:42] <tomreyn> if you want to do secureboot you should care, otherwise not
[01:42] <pdkl> driver works and rocketleague is accelerated
[01:42] <pdkl> ok
[01:45] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: if your system really freezes (does it really, can you not switch to a different tty, can you not use magic sysrq?) your options to log any outputs are netconsole and serial console.
[01:46] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i thought strace could follow it and would stop it before it crashed.
[01:47] <tomreyn> strace wont stop anything from happening, no, it just reports what's happening.
[01:48] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: would the system still have what last happened before i had to hard reset by turning off and on my device? like is there something that everything is monitored in the background of my system
[01:49] <tomreyn> there's /var/log/syslog which the system logging daemon writes to.
[01:50] <tomreyn> however, if the kernel locks up while the disk write buffer had not been flushed, yet, the data in there is lost
[01:51] <tomreyn> that's where magic sysrq + s (sync) can help, if the kernel hasnt actually locked up but is just hung
[01:51] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: how so i will just do a copy and past of /var/log/syslog because when it crashes as a test i have music playing and all i hear when it crashes is the repeat of the last sentence of the song
[01:52] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: meant to say i can just do a copy and paste of /var/log/syslog
[01:53] <tomreyn> i don't understand why you'd want to create a copy?
[01:53] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: so it would be useless for this. okay then i will go with the magic sysrq
[01:54] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: so once i go into that screte mode i can just run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:54] <tomreyn> are you saying that a part of the audio track you're playing keeps looping ifinitely when the kernel freezes / locks up while you're installing grub?
[01:54] <tomreyn> 'screte mode'?
[01:55] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: yeah thats what happens when i tell system to clean up the mess and it reaches the point that it has to install grub-32ia-efi
[01:56] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: yeah this magic sysrq is a secrete mode from what i read on wikipedia, its like a secrete key selection that will allow me to see whats happening once i run the command with it
[01:56] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: or within it
[01:56] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[01:57] <tomreyn> it's not secret, it's just not as widely knows as ctrl-alt-delete
[01:57] <tomreyn> *known
[01:59] <tomreyn> effectively you just need to press s (ideally two times with a few seconds pause afterwards), then u for unmount (and wait again a few seconds), the b for boot.
[01:59] <tomreyn> R E I are disabled anyways.
[01:59] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: okay i am on lbuntu 18.04 and read that it might be disabled by default
[02:00] <PLLunlock> So, my "search your computer" button is broken.  16.04.  How do I fix it?
[02:00] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: just those three characters, as far as i know
[02:02] <PLLunlock> I type disk, nothing shows up.
[02:04] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: okay that was like a fast roller coaster but i get it now, i run the command that makes the system freeze then run the magic sysrq
[02:04] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i actually just did the button combination and i was zapped out of the system like someone pulled a chair from under me and i fell through ground
[02:05] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: okay i will run the command sudo dpkg --configure -a and when it freezes i will do the magic sysrq
[02:05] <PLLunlock> searching "files and folders" works.  but when I search "applications"  nothing comes up.
[02:06] <PLLunlock> Even when i search for "all" applications (blank search), nothing shows up.
[02:07] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: you shouldnt use these buttons in normal operation. and yes, SUB still work on 18.04.1
[02:07] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: after i reboot i can then check var/log for what happens?
[02:07] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i want to know where i the log will be of what the system was last doing when it crashed?
[02:07] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: i'm not entirely convinced (rather not so much) that you'll be able to capture much more on syslog, though.
[02:08] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: lol
[02:08] <tomreyn> what makes you laugh?
[02:08] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: well its worth a try, but i must say that was pretty cool!!! the button combination because i never knew ubuntu had such things built in
[02:09] <tomreyn> if you like this, you'd love a serial console.
[02:11] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: can you post dmesg before you reboot, i could then get a better idea of the system you're working with.
[02:11] <tomreyn> dmesg | pastebinit
[02:34] <PLLunlock> why does the "search your computer" default to files and folders?  and when i click applications; it does nothing.?
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: your ubuntu version please?
[02:35] <PLLunlock> 16.04
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: up to date to latest?
[02:36] <PLLunlock> dunno.
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: lsb_release -a should show .5
[02:37] <PLLunlock> Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: ok great mate
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: so can you define what you are trying to do, you try to search files on your computer from startbutton?
[02:39] <PLLunlock> yeah the top left button.  I don't know how else i would find things like disk usage analyzer.
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: are you in the right category at the bottom of your dash? you see all small icons there
[02:41] <PLLunlock> yes, applications.
[02:41] <PLLunlock> files and folders works as expected.
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: so on applications you can unfold more apps, by clicking 'see more'
[02:42] <PLLunlock> it use to default to applications, now it comes up to files and folders.
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: i think it uses what you last chosen
[02:44] <PLLunlock> when i click "applications" i get a blank window that says "sorry, there is nothing that matches your search".
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: thats probably because you enter a keyword for search? can you erase?
[02:44] <PLLunlock> there is no "recently used", "installed", or dash plugins.  just nothing.
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: normal procedure, you click the white applications icon at bottom, then click 'see more applications' at top to view them all
[02:46] <PLLunlock> hmmm, no just zero applications.
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: https://timenews.ro/media/Unity-ubuntu.png see here, installed: see more results
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: make sure your in the right category ok
[02:47] <PLLunlock> yup, that what it looks like when it's working.  which it isn't anymore.
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: can you make a screenshot for us please
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: imgur.com or so
[02:48] <PLLunlock> how do i find the snapshot thingy without search?
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: just press prnt scr button
[02:50] <PLLunlock> cool. windows can't do that.
[02:51] <PLLunlock> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372380640357646336/487817106209898506/unknown.png
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: thats weird indeed, did you try a reboot yet?
[02:53] <PLLunlock> yeah, it's been broke for days.
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: did you try it without a search?
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: cause right now it says, no matches found
[02:54] <PLLunlock> that's witha blank search. i.e. everything.
[02:55] <PLLunlock> my other identical system still works fine.
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: did you recently uninstall things likes scopes or something?
[02:58] <PLLunlock> I don't recall.
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: what happens when you: sudo apt-get install unity-scope-home
[03:00] <PLLunlock> i removed the activity log manager.   it sounded kinda privacy leaky.
[03:01] <PLLunlock> "Zeitgeist is a service which logs the user's activities and events (files opened, websites visited, conversations held with other people, etc.) and makes the relevant information available to other applications."
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: ah that might be related, try reinstalling zeitgeist
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: that manages all the history
[03:03] <PLLunlock> I don't need history thanks.
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: zeisgeist does not leak data with external
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: you can also disable history from system settings in unity..
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: removing zeitgeist can scramble things up, like youe xperience now
[03:04] <PLLunlock> i'm seeing that.
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: here's system settings you can disable: https://i.stack.imgur.com/QOCgX.png
[03:08] <PLLunlock> THis is very reminescent of when i disabled windows search indexer.  It DISABLED all searches, indexed or not.
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: you cannot compare this the same as windows mate
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: but no problem, its your users choice to remove zeitgeist
[03:09] <PLLunlock> it seems to be a necessary but uninstallable part of the OS.
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: not really if you dont want to
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: but logical, when you remove zeitgeist you wont be able to search/find/history things properly anymore
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: you still got a terminal to find things :p
[03:12] <PLLunlock> I'm kinda new to the glorious Ubuntu world.  still feeling my way around the terminal.
[03:12] <PLLunlock> sudo apt-get install zeitgeist
[03:12] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: hey yeah it doesn't work magic sysrq!!
[03:12] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i ran the command and it froze the system and when i tried the button combination it would not restart like it did before when i ran the command
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: if you are new, and still need more GUI its advisable you reinstall zeitgeist yes
[03:14] <PLLunlock> I much prefer an application tree rather than having to search everytime i need an app.   I don't enjoy the mouse-to-keyboard-to-mouse-keyboard transitions.
[03:14] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: so the kernel really locks up there.
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> !info classicmenu-indicator xenial | PLLunlock try this
[03:16] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: yeah i guess. but i first want to know how i can purge grub without it telling me that i to do dpkg --configure -a, because the system will crash. if i can purge it then tell it where to correctly install grub then i can run dpkg --configure -a
[03:17] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: also i want to see if i can install boot-repair and try that way!! but i feel like the system is going to tell me i need to correct the mess first
[03:17] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: can i do that, or can i tell the system not to install grub?
[03:18] <PLLunlock> reinstalling zeit didn't work.
[03:20] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, maybe you have to log out and login to make it reload
[03:23] <PLLunlock> uh back again.  for some reason logging out stops all my apps.
[03:24] <PLLunlock> lotuspsychje: thanks, all my pretty icons are back.
[03:24] <PLLunlock> marcodiego: thanx logging out worked.
[03:25] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, if you don't want to stop your apps, just lock the screen instead: ctrl+alt+l
[03:25] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: with uefi booting, grub installs to /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ and (usually) loads its configuration from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[03:26] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: yeah which is normal but for some reason for these devices asus t100's there are problems with this
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: welcome
[03:26] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: but 32-bit uefi is a terrible non standard that should never have existe din the first place, and i can't help make it work.
[03:26] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i have checked the folders with efi and the stuff are there so i don't understand why it keeps crashing the system
[03:27] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: oh i know, and i agree it was designed to keep people who own a device from not putting other os, but thats just how the world works.
[03:28] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i don't understand why the regular way needed to be changed to this uefi garbage, because on devices like mine, they made sure to limit the bios to only have this uefi, i don't have a legacy mode in the bios and also can only turn off or on the uefi option
[03:30] <PLLunlock> I'm trying to leave win.  but Ubuntu is getting kinda Windowsy.
[03:32] <Kon-> I'm not sure in what way Ubuntu could be compared to Windows, but there are plenty of other distros out there. Even other flavors of Ubuntu that do things a bit differently
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> PLLunlock: you cannot generalize such statement
[03:32] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i am trying to get boot-repair and now it showing while doing just this part: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair that their is a timeout was reached error?
[03:32] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: is that because i have broken packages
[03:34] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, elaborate more
[03:34] <PLLunlock> When, over time, common tasks take more and more mouse clicks and typing.  That is a sign of an OS getting WORSE not better.
[03:34] <Kon-> Sounds like your beef is with GNOME, not Ubuntu
[03:34] <PLLunlock> could be.
[03:35] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, searching by typing is way faster using the keyboard. Searching by typing is not really good for people who overuse the mouse
[03:35] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: from grub 2.0 can i run the dpkg --configure -a like say from advance options?
[03:36] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, my recommendation is: if you over-use the mouse, lock you favourite apps to the launcher
[03:36] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: probably a network timeout, but you will need to post actual error messages and provide context (full command run, full output) if you'd like someone to comment. i'm heading to bed now. maybe have a look at this, tit describes how one can boot a system like yours: http://www.jfwhome.com/2014/03/07/perfect-ubuntu-or-other-linux-on-the-asus-transformer-book-t100/ - good luck.
[03:36] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, any specific task that you'd like to do more efficiently?
[03:37] <PLLunlock> marcodiego: I did put a few apps on the launcher, but its full now. :-(
[03:37] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: thanks bro for all the help. have a good night. and yeah that was the original, instructions but the systems have evolved since then due to the fact that these newer versions don't function well with grub
[03:38] <PLLunlock> I was very fond of [Windows][E] to bring up the file explorer.
[03:38] <Kon-> Possibly in relation to ghostnik11's issue, I also had to run "dpkg --configure -a" when attempting to install updates about 12 hours ago
[03:39] <Kon-> It prompted me to run the command, I ran the command, then tried to update again. It worked. But I'm notsure why I had to do that
[03:39] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, I don't if there is a shortcut for the file manager, but ctrl+alt+t bring the terminal
[03:39] <Kon-> It may have been related to the apport update?
[03:39] <ghostnik11> Kon-: did yours work?
[03:39] <Kon-> Yes
[03:40] <ghostnik11> Kon-: yeah mine failed during a system update with gui but it stopped and froze when it got to the part about installing grub-32ia-efi
[03:40] <PLLunlock> I use CTRL ALT T a lot.  very handy.  and I just noticed ALT tab has the same functionality. Good show!
[03:40] <Kon-> My updates didn't even initialize before the prompt to reconfigure dpkg
[03:40] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, would this work for you: https://askubuntu.com/questions/692880/keyboard-shortcut-to-open-ubuntu-file-manager ?
[03:41] <ghostnik11> Kon-: oh, yeah i think i might have just found a potential solution to my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1269190
[03:43] <PLLunlock> marcodiego: that works well!
[03:44] <ghostnik11> okay so i don't have a grub-pc on my system? because when i run the command sudo debconf -show grub-pc nothing shows up in terminal
[03:44] <ghostnik11> then where would grub be located?
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> !grub | ghostnik11
[03:45] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, my suggestion, if you're an advanced user (or willing to be one), you'll soon see that file managers are not an efficient way to manage files. I suggest you to get used to the command line if you want efficiency
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: why dont you make your life easy, reinstall fresh, ubuntu takes 30min to reinstall?
[03:45] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje: i think i know why because i changed the startup.nsh file?
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> the what
[03:46] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, eg: I plug a pendrive on my computer, just type "cp file.pdf /media/.../ && umont /media/...." and that's all
[03:47] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje: do you know many changes i made!! and also this is the device i use to study for my boards!!! which is what i am doing now, i was just updating, in like a few days i will be back at school. i don't want to reinstall from the start, i made a lot of intricate changes to customize it to be perfect device to only have one focus and thats board preparation
[03:47] <PLLunlock> marcodiego:  well i find the file manager to be a nice way to find things quickly.  especially when I don't know where they are in the file system.  I'm sure I'll migrate to command line for many tasks.  but for now I'm learning.
[03:47] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, learn to use "locate" and "find". Way faster. No need to mouse-click anything
[03:48] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, locate is particularly simple: "locate *.mp3", for example
[03:48] <PLLunlock> like my senility causes me to forget where i placed something and what I called it.  so I'll do a find and sort by time to see what i did recently.
[03:48] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje: in /boot/efi there is a file called startup.nsh i changed the ending of that file to grub-32ia-efi but i will change it back since i made a backup and see if that works when i try to run debconf -show grub-pc
[03:49] <PLLunlock> I'm sick and tired of typing ls -l every time i go up or down a dir.
[03:50] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, use tree
[03:50] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, tree|less you help a lot
[03:51] <PLLunlock> nice, but not installed by default.
[03:51] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, also if you're ls'ing all the time, that means your needing to "see" what is there. Why such a frequent need?
[03:51] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, just an apt-get away ;)
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: wait up for eric^ to wakeup, he's our uefi specialist
[03:51] <PLLunlock> the file structure confounds me.
[03:51] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, also, learn to use completion
[03:52] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, try this on the terminal: press "ctr+r" then "l" then enter
[03:53] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, your confusion probably caused by the habit of using filemanagers and always seen what is on the current directory. Once you learn more efficient ways, that habit will go away
[03:55] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje: well i will keep searching for a solution until he comes back. thats the beauty about life: learn, adapt and overcome. i will keep trying till i can't try anymore
[03:55] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, ctr+r is bash reverse search. Get used to it. It is a great productivity boost
[03:55] <PLLunlock> yes, it's that and the other problem is I'm used to programs and their support files being in one place.
[03:55] <PLLunlock> marcodiego: I'm writing all these down.
[03:57] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, also, the idea of a program with all their files in one dir is an habit. Think: not everything is exactly a program; it may libs, frameworks, resource... There are good reasons for their files to be not all in a single place. So, don't think about programs and where they are installed. Think about *packages* and that they're installed on the system
[03:58] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, by been packages, that should be managed by the *package manager*. That is why the package manager is called package manager, it manages packages
[03:58] <PLLunlock> yeah, packages are sprayed into every directory.
[03:58] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, I suggest you to install and use synaptic, to get used to the idea
[03:59] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, if you ever need to know the files a package use "dpkg -L"
[04:00] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, but remember that that is a package manager's task, not yours
[04:01] <PLLunlock> I did install synaptic.  I like it,  the ubuntu software search tool is very limited.
[04:03] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, package management is on of the strongest reasons I opted for gnu/linux in the beginning. I looked so advanced and practical. It took around 2 decades for other OS'es to develop similar features (in the form of stores)
[04:03] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, also, you're on a possible good new era: snaps and flatpacks are get more popular by the day; try them
[04:07] <PLLunlock> hmmm
[04:07] <PLLunlock> my last text got eaten by the server
[04:13] <PLLunlock> it was just a rant on how confounding bin, sbin and all the variations like the two root versions, usr, and usr-local.
[04:21] <PLLunlock> back?
[04:24] <PLLunlock> ami back?
[04:25] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, you shouldn't care much about what is out of your home directory. Leave that to the package manager and other system software
[04:27] <marcodiego> of all the dirs on my root, the only ones I regularly use are /etc/, /tmp/ and /media/
[04:27] <PLLunlock> So it it proper to do git clones to the home dir?
[04:28] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, yes. They are your files, the rest of the system shouldn't even know about them
[04:29] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, my suggestion: create a "dev" directory in your home, and git clone there. Then you will know where your cloned projects are
[04:30] <PLLunlock> how do I create icons on my desktop to launch things?
[04:31] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, if you're using the latest ubuntu version, I think you'll need an extension for that
[04:31] <PLLunlock> using 16.04 i see drag-n-drop works.
[04:32] <PLLunlock> I'm only using 16.04 because i couldn't find gnuradio in the ubuntu software tool.  i was under the impression that it was for finding software.
[04:33] <PLLunlock> in 18.04
[04:33] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, Also, consider if this (desktop icon) is really a good habit. You have the launcher, terminal, searching and probably other ways to launch your apps. Desktop icons are only visible if all windows are minimized
[04:34] <PLLunlock> there's a "show desktop" button
[04:34] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, that basically minimizes all windows: inefficient
[04:35] <PLLunlock> true.  I'use the workspace functionality more if it was one click instead of 2.
[04:38] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, that single click would probably be no faster than opening it using the command line. Specially if you can use ctr+r
[04:39] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, you can use "xdg-open file" to open a file with its associated program
[04:39] <PLLunlock> it's a graphical program I'd have to transition to mouse anyways.
[04:40] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, as an example: if I plug a pendrive and I know that it has a document.pdf in its root, I just type: "xdg-open /media/marco/[....]/document.pdf" and that's all
[04:41] <marcodiego> no need to click, no need to search, no need to use a file manager and I just press some keys since autocompletion makes most of the command and paths for me
[04:42] <PLLunlock> that is handy to know all of those incantations.
[04:43] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, once you get used to it, you will start to question why did you live so long using file managers, clicking things and with icons on the desktop
[04:43] <PLLunlock> open .pdf ext drive    would make more sense
[04:43] <PLLunlock> :-)
[04:44] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, note, filemanagers have their place and usefulness, clicking too; but I think they're much overused
[04:47] <PLLunlock> is the firewall on by default in ubuntu?
[04:54] <PLLunlock> uh no it's not
[05:03] <PLLunlock> well the common ports are closed but traffic is not dropped, it is rejected.
[05:05] <PLLunlock> any tips on avoiding "dependency hell"?
[05:11] <jellycode> Hi all... this awk adds a newline to the output.  can anyone help me get it without the newline?  svn info http://svn.mechsim.local/svn/mech-sim/trunk/VehicleSim  | grep Revision: | awk -F' ' '{print $2}'
[05:12] <ghostnik11> can anyone help with this: https://pastebin.com/38MH8JT7
[05:20] <cyclohexane_> jellycode: you could probably try cut -d' ' -f 2 instead of the awk command
[05:20] <cyclohexane_> The subversion command is throwing a name/service not known error for me so I can't test it, though
[05:22] <jellycode> sorry, that url is bad
[05:22] <jellycode> thanks
[05:26] <ghostnik11> okay so i just ran: grub-install --removable and for the first time it did this: Installing for i386-efi platform. Installation finished. No error reported. is that safe to say that i can now do sudo dpkg --configure -a and the system wont freeze or can i run a test to see if everything is working properly?
[05:27] <cyclohexane_> jellycode: or you could probably just pipe it all into head -n -1
[05:27] <cyclohexane_> which removes the last line
[05:29] <cyclohexane_> assuming there's only one newline at the end, not for every entry
[05:32] <dingir> is latest ubuntu using kernel 4.18?
[05:32] <Blade> install manuall
[05:33] <Blade> what is the problem
[05:33] <jellycode> what was that cut command again?
[05:33] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, wrt dependency hell, You won't have to care about it unless your compiling things
[05:33] <PLLunlock> much of the software i deal with doesn't have packages
[05:39] <ghostnik11> okay it seems like my grub is failing because of this from the pastebin https://pastebin.com/8kM3GdyV
[05:43] <cyclohexane_> jellycode: `cut -d' ' -f 2`
[05:43] <jellycode> thx
[05:45] <ghostnik11> when i get to installing for i386-efi platform it says could not delete variable: no space left on device then error: efibootmgr failed to register the boo=i386-efit entry:block device required. failed: grub-install --target
[05:59] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, how are you installing them?
[06:02] <PLLunlock> compiling making and installing
[06:02] <PLLunlock> hunting down dependencies when it doesn't qork.
[06:03] <PLLunlock> rinse repeat
[06:16] <lotus|NUC> PLLunlock: we dont support compiling here, instead we reccomend installing packages from the official ubuntu repos
[06:18] <ghostnik11> okay i have finally made some progress just ran this: sudo apt-get install grub-efi-ia32 grub-efi-ia32-bin
[06:19] <ghostnik11> and it shows that grub-efi-ia32-bin set to manually installed and its asking me if i should have the following packages removed: shim?
[06:22] <PLLunlock> but the "ubuntu software" button on has access to a tiny portion of the available software.
[06:22] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, that's not easy for a beginner. Can you give some examples of software you had to build yourself?
[06:22] <lotus|NUC> PLLunlock: apt-cache search your-package
[06:22] <PLLunlock> gr-ofdm
[06:23] <PLLunlock> https://github.com/rwth-ti/gr-ofdm
[06:24] <PLLunlock> rtlamr   https://github.com/bemasher/rtlamr
[06:24] <lotus|NUC> !info gr-radar | PLLunlock
[06:26] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, it may be hard to (eventually) avoid dependency hell. Only recommendation I can give you is to keep your system as close as possible to the one of the developers of the tools you need.
[06:27] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, "apt-cache search ofm" maybe your friend
[06:29] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, I mean  "apt-cache search ofdm"
[06:30] <PLLunlock> hmmm.  packaged?
[06:32] <marcodiego> PLLunlock, not sure if it is the same thing you need.
[06:33] <PLLunlock> where is it looking for these?
[06:33] <boritek> hi
[06:34] <PLLunlock> oh these are the parts that come with gnuradio.
[06:34] <cyclohexane_> boritek: hi!
[06:35] <boritek> I have tearing on video playback on Ubuntu 18.04 with dedicated nvidia card GTX 770 (no optimus, cpu i7-4820k) with nvidia closed driver
[06:36] <boritek> why is that and how can I fix it?
[06:36] <boritek> most people complaining about it are on laptops, but i am not
[06:41] <lotus|NUC> boritek: driver version please?
[06:41] <lotus|NUC> boritek: driver version please?
[06:45] <boritek> lotus|NUC: driver version is: 396.54
[06:46] <lotus|NUC> boritek: what does your system propose on: ubuntu-drivers list ?
[06:47] <boritek> nvidia-driver-390
[06:47] <boritek> nvidia-driver-396
[06:47] <boritek> nvidia-340
[06:47] <lotus|NUC> boritek: ok tnx, i would try a 390.77
[06:49] <boritek> lotus|NUC: in my repo the latest 390 is 390.87
[06:49] <ducasse> boritek: you can also try the first suggestion in this link, afaik it often fixes tearing. note the 'edit:' https://askubuntu.com/questions/760712/how-do-i-remove-screen-tearing-in-16-04-with-nvidia-gtx-960-m
[06:54] <boritek> this didnt help: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }"
[06:55] <boritek> ducasse: i guess this is also something related to optimus and laptop tearing only?
[06:55] <boritek> i have dedicated nvidia card
[06:56] <lotus|NUC> boritek: 396 is more for gtx 1050 and 1060
[06:56] <lotus|NUC> boritek: try 390.77 from the ubuntu graphics ppa
[06:57] <ducasse> boritek: no, it's for desktops as well
[06:58] <boritek> lotus|NUC: ok, i will try it again, i used 390 generally but installed the latest after Steam play / proton announced
[06:58] <lotus|NUC> boritek: so you had a working 390?
[06:58] <boritek> i dont remember how video playback was there, but will let you know
[06:59] <lotus|NUC> boritek: if something works, stay at it :p
[07:04] <boritek> installed, rebooting
[07:07] <boritek> re
[07:07] <boritek> 390 has got tearing as well :(
[07:28] <lotus|NUC> boritek: did you try what ducasse suggested?
[07:36] <boritek> lotus|NUC: sorry I guess yes, but  i cannnot read back because of my reboot
[07:36] <boritek> what was the suggestion exactly?
[07:36] <boritek> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029926/ubuntu-18-04-after-installing-nvidia-graphics-drivers-still-getting-lag
[07:37] <lotus|NUC> boritek: https://www.cmscritic.com/stop-screen-tearing-with-optimus-laptops-using-nvidia-drivers-in-linux/
[07:39] <lotus|NUC> ghostnik11: EriC^^ is in the house
[07:39] <boritek> i tried earlier something like this that didnt work, i guess because it is for optimus
[07:39] <ghostnik11> EriC^^: hey bro, i have tried everything to work!!! and defeat this messed up uefi grub. been working now for 7 hours straight
[07:39] <ghostnik11> EriC^^: here is a pastebin. i just got: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/khWXKQ7XYg/
[07:40] <lotus|NUC> boritek: are you on 390.77 right? not 390.48?
[07:41] <ghostnik11> lotus|NUC: i felt like i was in a heavy weight fight with mike tyson in his prime. this damn stupid grub-efi problem almost knocked me out and had me wanting to quit
[07:41] <boritek> lotus|NUC: im on 390.87
[07:41] <lotus|NUC> boritek: from wich ppa?
[07:42] <lotus|NUC> ghostnik11: patience EriC^^ will help when he has time
[07:43] <boritek> lotus|NUC: http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu
[07:43] <boritek> for bionic
[07:44] <ghostnik11> lotus|NUC: okay cool i think i am going to go to bed. is it okay to come check back after i get some rest?
[07:44] <lotus|NUC> boritek: ok, i see they highered the 390 version, your good
[07:45] <lotus|NUC> ghostnik11: #ubuntu is 24/7..its always good to come back
[07:45] <lotus|NUC> boritek: try the trick from options nvidia_drm modeset=1
[07:46] <ghostnik11> lotus|NUC: well yeah i know that. i am asking if he will be on when i come back!! our time zones are probably different. also i want him to explain why it keeps crashing. so that when i am back in school if it crashes again i can fix it without internet b/c back in school we don't have access to internet easily
[07:47] <ghostnik11> lotus|NUC: anyhow bro, thanks for the help i will back after getting some good rest
[07:47] <lotus|NUC> ghostnik11: not my decision mate
[07:48] <ghostnik11> lotus|NUC: lol, later bro
[07:48] <lotus|NUC> kk
[07:49] <lotus|NUC> boritek: just curious, your system up to date to latest also?
[07:49] <ducasse> boritek: which desktop is this?
[07:53] <boritek> lotus|NUC: yes i always keep my system uptodate
[07:54] <boritek> ducasse: ubuntu 18.04
[07:54] <boritek> lotus|NUC: i tried already nvidia_drm modeset=1 earlier and it didnt help :(
[07:55] <lotus|NUC> boritek: uname -a please?
[07:55] <boritek> 4.15.0-33-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 15 16:00:05 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:58] <lotus|NUC> yeah looks good boritek
[08:01] <lotus|NUC> boritek: lets make a new bug for you
[08:03] <lotus|NUC> boritek: can you test something else first, try wayland instead of xorg?
[08:04] <boritek> lotus|NUC: yes, i need to go soon though for about 1hour but i can check that later. Just write me what to test exactly
[08:04] <lotus|NUC> boritek: that done with log out, then when enter your username, click the gear icon ubuntu(on wayland)
[08:04] <lotus|NUC> and test the tearing there
[08:07] <boritek> i tested it quickly before I go, the issue is that i cannot even login on a wayland session
[08:08] <boritek> and strangely there are 2 Xorg sessions
[08:09] <lotus|NUC> boritek: hmm thats weird indeed, did you clean install or upgrade to 18.04?
[08:09] <boritek> i did upgrade
[08:10] <lotus|NUC> ah
[08:10] <lotus|NUC> boritek: this you can also try, a liveusb 18.04.1 to see
[08:11] <boritek> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1040735/duplicate-xorg-session-created-on-ubuntu-18-04-with-nvidia-drivers
[08:11] <boritek> lotus|NUC: a liveusb i guess uses an open drive instead of closed nvidia
[08:12] <boritek> and i cannot install it there, after a reboot it is gone :)
[08:13] <lotus|NUC> boritek: ok lets make a bug then mate
[08:14] <lotus|NUC> boritek: ubuntu-bug nvidia-graphics-drivers-390
[08:14] <boritek> brb
[08:15] <lotus|NUC> boritek: ubuntu-bug nvidia-driver-390
[08:16] <leosemilie> how to remove snap software
[08:17] <leosemilie> or is it nimpler to change os
[08:17] <ducasse> leosemilie: 'snap remove <nameofsnap>'
[08:17] <leosemilie> ducasse no remove the entire thing
[08:18] <ducasse> all snaps?
[08:19] <leosemilie> it puts crypto drives on thu machine
[08:19] <leosemilie> remove snap
[08:19] <ducasse> crypto drives? what do you mean?
[08:19] <lotus|NUC> he probably means /dev snaps
[08:20] <lotus|NUC> dev/loop
[08:20] <leosemilie> the snap makes a virtual encrypted drive
[08:20] <ducasse> those are squash filesystems, nothing to do with crypto
[08:21] <ducasse> leosemilie: which snap, and where?
[08:21] <leosemilie> remove snap
[08:22] <ducasse> please speak in full sentences
[08:22] <leosemilie> How to remove the entire snap system
[08:23] <ducasse> apt purge snapd
[08:23] <ducasse> but i'm curious what encrypted drive you are talking about
[08:24] <leosemilie> that is what snap does
[08:24] <ducasse> no, it's not
[08:24] <leosemilie> each app gets its own space
[08:25] <ducasse> yes, but it's not encrypted
[08:25] <leosemilie> then my system is custom
[08:26] <ducasse> i find that very unlikely, unless you've rewritten snapd
[08:27] <leosemilie> ok well when it is booted I can tell pou if it works
[08:30] <leosemilie> do you have any software developers I dont see anything new on snap
[08:31] <leosemilie> simple scan has meen around since quantal
[08:31] <leosemilie> thot is editors choice
[08:32] <ducasse> there's a ton of snap applications, new added all the time
[08:32] <ducasse> many of them are not available as debs
[08:33] <leosemilie> is there anything werth keeping snap
[08:34] <leosemilie> I did a quick search and didnt see anything needed
[08:36] <Rouner> I can not enter the desktop after I copy all files in the home DIR to a new partition and mount it at the same path what can I do
[08:37] <ducasse> leosemilie: you can look here, but if there's nothing you need then there's nothing you need. https://uappexplorer.com/snaps
[08:39] <guiverc> Rouner: I'm not 100% sure of what you mean, but I'd check you did what you intended (it's mounted as $HOME, and has correct permissions, eg. does `stat $HOME` give you as owner with rwx permissions?  ($HOME is /home/user/ where user is you)
[08:42] <Rouner> guiverc: you are right!  It works
[08:44] <Rouner> But setting all files as rwx is really not safe ! _ !
[08:45] <guiverc> no files shouldn't be rwx; the directory should be (so you can write files in it, read files in it, and execute if files are set to +x inside it!) - directories are different..
[08:46] <guiverc> Rouner: now do the same same (eg. `stat $HOME/Desktop/`) and see you are owner to Desktop/ folder, plus permissions are okay (for folder..)
[08:47] <guiverc> s/same same/same to Desktop folder/ - my mind is elsewhere osrry
[08:48] <guiverc> (ps: i'm assuming $HOME/Desktop/ is what you meant by 'can not enter desktop')
[08:49] <Rouner> Yeah, when I list the Home path , owner is root ,so it is not work before, thanks
[08:52] <guiverc> Rouner: I'd use `cp -pr`  (-p = preserve permissions, r=recursive)  you can use `chown` to change ownership, but I'd just `cp` again...
[08:55] <Rouner> Because my disk bacome full, so I cp all files to a new partition. And mount the partition to the home path when booting
[09:23] <leosemilie> ok sasl not working in pidgin used webchat instead the thing is a loopback with the .snap extension. I was building the same thing on gentoo but erased the entire reiserfs. building it with crypto though, loopback. I found it doesnt work well becauser blocksize conflicts; Not really what I had in mind.  there are a couple interesting softwares ducasse
[09:23] <leosemilie> looking at disks and see two loop devices
[09:25] <leosemilie> cryptswap is on
[09:25] <leosemilie> where is thye hibernate button?
[09:27] <leosemilie> hibernate doesnt look like an option
[09:27] <leosemilie> but there is a cryptswap
[09:27] <dka> I have two dka user (local + ldap), How can I remove the local account to prevent uid conflict in futur?
[09:28] <leosemilie> ducasse: Idon't want state farm holograms popping up recruiting police everywhere
[09:29] <lotus|NUC> leosemilie: what are you talking about?
[09:29] <leosemilie> programs
[09:29] <leosemilie> is virtualbox a snap?
[09:30] <lotus|NUC> leosemilie: stop trolling please
[09:30] <leosemilie> is it true a 64bit vm can run on a 32bit platform?
[09:30] <lotus|NUC> leosemilie: this channel focus on actual ubuntu support
[09:31] <leosemilie> hurry up there is a limited battery the androids chew up batteries
[09:31] <lotus|NUC> !ops | leosemilie random disturb
[09:31] <leosemilie> youd think they can make wireless last longer than an hour or so
[09:31] <leosemilie> is virtualbox a snap?
[09:32] <leosemilie> is it true a 64bit vm can run on a 32bit platform? ducasse that can be useful
[09:32] <SwedeMike> leosemilie: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56124/can-i-run-a-64-bit-vmware-image-on-a-32-bit-machine  if the CPU supports 64bit then you can do that, yes.
[09:33] <leosemilie> no in a virtual box SwedeMike
[09:33] <SwedeMike> leosemilie: you didn't read the text in the link, right?
[09:33] <SwedeMike> leosemilie: so let me copy/paste the relevant text "You can't run a 64-bit VM session on a 32-bit processor. However, you can run a 64-bit VM session if you have a 64-bit processor but have installed a 32-bit host OS and your processor supports the right extensions."
[09:36] <leosemilie> 32 bit cpu though Ive seen it run 64bit on another machine
[09:37] <leosemilie> thinking it was 64bit solaris
[09:37] <leosemilie> funny happening
[09:38] <leosemilie> there is a 64bit atom my guess it doesnt report to the software it can do it
[09:39] <nikolam> why for the Ubuntu's sake , gksu and gksudo got removed from Ubuntu?
[09:39] <leosemilie> I feel like neo where he hits the concrete and the state farm program continues it's accusations.
[09:40] <nikolam> there's no working GUI/GTK graphical 'sudo' now, isn't it? Shouldn't if there is some isse it should have been fixed instead of removing functionality?
[09:41] <nikolam> I don't want to install half of KDE, just to kave 'kdesu' running, to be able to run ntfs-config....
[09:41] <nikolam> have
[09:42] <leosemilie> nikolam: that is the system it does that ongoing problem
[09:42] <leosemilie> it was nearly to where the entire thing had no choice because of dependencies
[09:43] <leosemilie> I guess that is what snap is trying to improve on.
[09:45] <jack_rip_vim> hi ubuntu!
[09:46] <nikolam> leosemilie, as far as I can see, snap is a pile of s* and trpubles, pushing to Ubuntu proprietary god-knows-where compiled what
[09:47] <nikolam> it snaps is the reason I have bunch of /dev/loop nonsense in df -h now, then it is clearly a non-elegant way of doing things
[09:48] <nikolam> Isolating apps with having their libaries multiply in versions , doing just a binary distribution? Reminds me on DLL HELL on MN Windows , step backwards I think
[09:48] <leosemilie> does ubuntu use non pie compilers nikolam ?
[09:48] <nikolam> wth is "non pie" leosemilie ?
[09:49] <nikolam> Linux in general have a problem you need to recompile every app for a new kernel , mostly. Some platforms with stable ABI, like illumos don't have that problem, mostly.
[09:49] <jack_rip_vim> bye ubuntu!
[09:50] <nikolam> jack_rip_vim, whatever
[09:50] <jack_rip_vim> nikolam: hi nikolam
[09:50] <leosemilie> thats the problem your having with kde libraries
[09:51] <leosemilie> so it pulls in from other packages
[09:51] <nikolam> leosemilie, I am awaro of it. My problem is NOT with kde libraries. My rpoblem is with understanding Why gksu and gksudo were removed, without fixing it or providing valid GTK repalcement
[09:52] <lotus|NUC> nikolam: avoid him, he's trolling atm
[09:52] <jack_rip_vim> haven't used ubuntu for a long time, getting miss ubuntu
[09:52] <nikolam> leosemilie, and you don't fix dependent libraries with snap, sorry. you need to have them one way or another
[09:52] <leosemilie> pie is the position independent
[09:52] <lotus|NUC> jack_rip_vim: do you have an ubuntu question?
[09:52] <jack_rip_vim> lotus|NUC: no
[09:52] <jack_rip_vim> I am helping people
[09:53] <nikolam> jack_rip_vim, xubuntu was and is a nicer way, just sayung. :P
[09:53] <nikolam> lotus|NUC, ah I see.
[09:53] <jack_rip_vim> nikolam: yeah, it is a good disto, :)
[09:58] <leosemilie> where is the hibernate button
[10:00] <ducasse> didn't you have encypted swap?
[10:34] <cim209> nikolam, i got d/c but if you have an issue with linux kernel then get a macOS lol
[10:35] <lotus|NUC> cim209: please dont suggest mac in the #ubuntu support channel
[10:35] <cim209> lotus|NUC, roger supervisor
[10:36] <nikolam> cim209, that's fairly uneducated answer, thanks.
[10:36] <cim209> didn't think open source (FREE) software was sensitive to proprietary brand names
[10:37] <cim209> especially coming from someone who's a volunteer
[10:37] <lotus|NUC> cim209: please use #ubuntu-offtopic for discussions
[10:37] <cim209> lotus|NUC, yeah ok guy
[10:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:39] <cim209> lotus|NUC, i actually got an issue with ubuntu upgrading from 16 to 18
[10:39] <cim209> since you're acting like a mod, mind helping me out?!
[10:40] <bazhang> cim209, please state the issue to the channel
[10:40] <bazhang> if someone knows they will help
[10:40] <cim209> i want to ask lotus|NUC directly for help
[10:41] <lotus|NUC> thats not how this works cim209
[10:41] <bazhang> cim209, better to ask us all
[10:41] <cim209> but since you chimed in bazhang , my wallpaper isn't showing up
[10:41] <cim209> before i log in
[10:41] <bazhang> cim209, during the framebuffer?
[10:42] <cim209> framebuffer?
[10:42] <bazhang> cim209, when you say wallpaper, do you mean the one once you have fully gotten the desktop
[10:43] <cim209> i set the wallpaper via lightdm
[10:43] <cim209> after the upgrade
[10:44] <cim209> still nothing
[10:44] <bazhang> perhaps you mean the xdm greeter
[10:44] <cim209> yes the lightdm + greeter settings
[10:44] <cim209> here's the setting https://imgur.com/zZ3fXez
[10:45] <bazhang> that's not what we call wallpaper cim209
[10:45] <guiverc> nikolam fyi: you mentioned gksudo/gksu being removed; gksu last changed upstream in 2014 being abandoned - that's a long time ago, the discussion was all back then, being declared a 'security risk' (and wasn't wayland compatible anyway)
[10:45] <cim209> background, wallpaper, same thing
[10:45] <bazhang> not really
[10:45] <neurre> hi
[10:45] <cim209> same thing
[10:46] <bazhang> cim209, for purposes of help here, they're not the same at all
[10:46] <neurre> im looking for something to recover files from exfat formatted sdcard which has broken partition table
[10:46] <lotus|NUC> !info testdisk | neurre sudo photorec
[10:46] <cim209> semantics wise, yes two different things
[10:46] <cim209> so what am i doing wrong?
[10:47] <bazhang> cim209, you tried going back the original?
[10:47] <cim209> the original was the wallpaper i had before the upgrade
[10:47] <cim209> now it just shows black
[10:47] <cim209> no graphic, just solid color
[10:47] <bazhang> greeter screen you mean
[10:48] <cim209> no, wallpaper i had after login
[10:48] <cim209> the greeter screen is showing nothing, even though i set it to the wallpaper i had in the desktop
[10:48] <bazhang> sounds like there's an isuue with you mis-setting it with lightdm
[10:49] <bazhang> have you yet tried an alternate one to the one that is currently failing
[10:49] <cim209> did you see my screenshot? are the settings wrong/
[10:49] <cim209> no i didn't set it to a different one but the images are indeed pointing to where it should be
[10:50] <cim209> there are multiple images in that directory where the background is being set
[10:51] <guiverc> cim209: i don't know, but if you're changing your greeter background, ensure the resolution & colors aren't too high.  i recall a greeter (in the past) having a max resolution/color depth which is less than wallpapers when logged in (this could have changed, just a thought!)
[10:52] <cim209> guiverc, the resolution of my wallpapers are 1920x1080 or less
[10:52] <cim209> this is an old machine, 2007
[10:52] <guiverc> I'd suggest comparing the resolution/colors of the default image (one you replaced) and use it's resolution & colors as a guide as to what you can use
[10:53] <cim209> guiverc, didn't have this issue with 16.04
[10:53] <leosemilie> ok, what is going on ? I was reading emails.
[10:54] <cim209> if this was PHP, i could diagnose it just by reading the php error logs but the system logs of ubuntu are convoluted by other process running in the background
[10:56] <leosemilie> cim it used to print everything on screen
[10:56] <leosemilie> then they started piping things to devnull
[10:56] <hans_> it appears that /proc/[pid]/exe is a symlink to the executable binary file - is this some ubuntu extension, or is it normal in linux?
[10:56] <leosemilie> linux in general
[10:56] <hans_> neat, thanks
[10:57] <leosemilie> if you modify the settings you can reopen everything but I'm guessing like nearly everything it has been moved to kernel
[10:57] <bazhang> leosemilie, lets keep the offtopic chatter elsewhere
[10:57] <cim209> https://imgur.com/zZ3fXez
[10:57] <guiverc> cim209: the directory where you picture isn't in your $HOME (/home/user/) directory is it?  you're not logged in and that's out of reach maybe ...
[10:57] <cim209> guiverc, it's in ~/Documents/wallpaper
[10:58] <guiverc> cim209: make a copy in /home/ and try using that... or in /usr/local/share (or some other place).. and try
[11:00] <cim209> guiverc, yeah i'll try that but i don't restart the machine for long periods of time
[11:00] <cim209> usually weekly
[11:00] <cim209> usually weeks*
[11:00] <cim209> sometime months
[11:01] <guiverc> cim209: i understand...
[11:02] <cim209> i wrote a bash script that ssh to multiple servers via keyless ssh and downloads backups
[11:02] <cim209> this machine is running to execute that shell script via cron
[11:05] <cim209> well i guess i'll just try my luck tomorrow  with my issue
[11:06] <cim209> thanks for trying to help guiverc
[11:08] <guiverc> :)
[11:16] <BluesKaj> good ol' kde/plasma, no problems with login backgrounds/wallpapers, use whatever you want no matter the path
[11:20] <BluesKaj> same goes for grub
[11:41] <guest_> unable to find(search for) bluetooth device
[11:43] <guest_> output of lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net; lsusb; rfkill list all; dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm'  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wW8vGYxShq/
[11:55] <ppf> does anyone know of a logitech g19 driver/manager for bionic?
[12:01] <duoi> anyone been in a situation where you cant auth with only one particular wifi access point?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> ppf, https://github.com/koehlma/gnited
[12:04] <duoi> er, don't tell me mixed mode wireless poses issues for Ubuntu :/
[12:06] <BluesKaj> mixed mode ?
[12:06] <ppf> duoi: it doesn't
[12:07] <ppf> BluesKaj: does that work for you?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> my router runs both simultaneously
[12:07] <ppf> i meant the g19.py :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> ppf, i don't have the g19
[12:08] <ppf> ah
[12:09] <BluesKaj> nice KB ppf , assume you're a gamer :-)
[12:10] <ppf> in younger years
[12:10] <ppf> waiting for it to break so that i can get a mechanical one ...
[12:11] <BluesKaj> I just use a ms-2000 wireless KB , pretty generic
[12:12] <BluesKaj> what's the advantage of mechanical ?
[12:12] <ppf> haptics
[12:13] <ppf> you get proper click feed back, the keys don't wobble
[12:14] <BluesKaj> and feedback if you're gaming ?
[12:15] <ppf> that depends on the switches you get
[12:15] <ppf> for gaming you want fast, non-clicky switches, which aren't ideal for coding
[12:15] <BluesKaj> ahh
[12:16]  * BluesKaj isn't either
[12:16] <ppf> you aren't ideal for coding? ^^
[12:17] <BluesKaj> not a gamer or coder..just an old  home user who loves linux
[12:18] <BluesKaj> it's been one of my hobbies since retirement
[12:20] <yannf> hi
[12:25] <yannf> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a laptop with W10
[12:25] <yannf> I made a new partition
[12:26] <yannf> but I have a limited Internet connection, so I don't want to use the 1.8 GB image
[12:27] <yannf> so I got a netinstall image on a USB key
[12:27] <yannf> but it doesn't boot
[12:28] <BluesKaj> rufus?
[12:28] <yannf> yes
[12:28] <yannf> I get an error message about UEFI
[12:28] <yannf> (very fast)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> !uefi | yannf
[12:33] <dptc> Is there an easy way to switch between keyboard langauges? For example between UK English and Japanese.
[12:33]  * BluesKaj wonders if rufus  unmounts the target partition before writing to it
[12:34] <BluesKaj> on usb
[12:34] <leosemilie> where is the hibernate button?
[12:35] <leosemilie> 2.1GB cryptswap and nothing showing
[12:35] <leosemilie> heyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:36] <leosemilie> battery low
[12:36] <leosemilie> where is the hibernate button
[12:36] <lotus|NUC> leosemilie: stop that please
[12:59] <aus_mal> Hello everyone, just wondering if there's any potential harm in adding the Pop!_OS PPA, mainly just for the do-not-disturb-extension. Thanks!
[13:02] <lotus|NUC> aus_mal: we dont really support adding external ppa's here
[13:02] <lotus|NUC> aus_mal: but as its your system you can choose yourself of course
[13:02] <ducasse> aus_mal: if it's just an application that doesn't touch anything installed from the repos, then the risk is likely low. if it touches core components it's a different matter. but it's at your own risk.
[13:03] <lotus|NUC> aus_mal: created by the system76 guys, it wont harm much
[13:04] <aus_mal> @lotus|NUC, ducasse thanks for the info. I'd better try asking over on their side. Thanks again guys
[13:04] <lotus|NUC> aus_mal: if your on ubuntu, perhaps look for an alternative?
[13:04] <lotus|NUC> aus_mal: what does this extension do?
[13:05] <aus_mal> I'm pretty hopeful of even a simple command line alternative, as I think all it does is disable pop-up notifications
[13:06] <ducasse> aus_mal: which release are you on?
[13:07] <gopal__> unable to get bluetooth device list. https://imgur.com/a/lA50ZO8
[13:08] <aus_mal> ducasse: you spurred me to check the settings, which has exactly what I want, albeit a few more clicks away
[13:08] <aus_mal> ducasse: Ubuntu 18.04
[13:08] <ducasse> aus_mal: :)
[13:10] <aus_mal> thanks again, will be sure to do a bit more digging, or thinking, next time!
[13:10] <lotus|NUC> aus_mal: no problem, thats what the channel is for
[13:20] <royal_screwup21> what's the difference between <cmd> ./...  vs <cmd> ./
[13:25] <geirha> literally ./... ? with four dots?
[13:26] <royal_screwup21> geirha:  there's 3 dots inf front the slash, yeah. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35766457/godep-save-seems-not-working-for-https-github-com-hashicorp-terraform
[13:26] <royal_screwup21> anyway I guess it's accessing a folder named ...
[13:27] <geirha> I think it's just ellipsis, meaning the "..." represent "whatever path"
[13:28] <geirha> either that, or ... is just special for go and godep
[14:06] <gopal__> bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM.hcd failed with error -2[    3.587958] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Patch brcm/BCM.hcd not found, how to fix it ?
[14:22] <skinux> Anyone know a common reason why Right-alt+arrow-keys would switch between terminals and DE?
[14:27] <lapion> rigth alt == alt-gr ??
[14:27] <_KaszpiR_> alt right? :D
[14:29] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj: hiu
[14:29] <skinux> Both Alt keys when combined with left or right arrow keys, switch between terminal and DE.
[14:29] <skinux> I don't want it doing this.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> hey immu_ubuntu
[14:30] <immu_ubuntu> remember me
[14:30] <immu_ubuntu> i had to register a new nick
[14:30] <immu_ubuntu> i couldn't get the password for my old nick
[14:32] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj: how are you doing and how are others
[14:36] <BluesKaj> fine here immu_ubuntu, others are at #lotuscomputers and #ubuntu-discuss
[14:50] <skinux> I don't get it. It didn't even start doing it until yesterday
[14:54] <Rouner> skinux: just update !!
[14:56] <Rouner> immu_ubuntu: /msg NickServ HELP (cmdline)to change the passwd.
[14:57] <diverdude> hi, i made a mistake and installed 32 bit ubuntu on my 64 bit machine. Is there any way i can upgrade this without having to wipe the entire machine first?
[14:58] <ducasse> diverdude: no, you need to reinstall
[14:58] <diverdude> sigh
[14:58] <tomreyn> diverdude: but you can keep /home  if it's on a separate partition
[14:58] <diverdude> ducasse: and is there any way to do this without a usb or cd or similar?
[14:59] <diverdude> can i somehow just download iso file of 64 bit and run it or do i have to make startup disk first and all that jazz?
[14:59] <ducasse> diverdude: you can use debootstrap and install grub manually, i guess
[14:59] <diverdude> ducasse: hmm ok that sounds complicated
[15:00] <ducasse> but you can't do that on the filesystem you are booted from
[15:00] <diverdude> 2x sigh :(
[15:00] <diverdude> why must things be so complicated
[15:01] <ducasse> they aren't if you just use a usb stick :)
[15:01] <diverdude> i dont have one :/
[15:02] <ducasse> can't get one either? a small usb stick is pretty cheap now
[15:05] <tomreyn> diverdude: what *do* you have?
[15:07] <tomreyn> supposedly some optical media then? also multiple disk drives?
[15:08] <ghostnik11> lotus|NUC: hey bro, good morning!!! so i am back at it and i know eric^^ isn't back yet but i think i might have been able to find a solution to my problem. it seems to be the kernel!!! by default doesn't want to fill up the efibootmgr space on motherboard. i think the team that works on kernels did that intentionally or at least its what this article said: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/379774/grub-installation-fai
[15:11] <ghostnik11> my only question is if i add this: "efi_no_storage_paranoia" to kernel lets say from grub. will it break the system
[15:14] <CarlFK> ghostnik11: I would hope if it breaks a reboot will fix it
[15:14] <CarlFK> ghostnik11: I feel 90% confidant even though I don't know much about efi
[15:15] <ghostnik11> CarlFK: okay. i mean the other option is to delete the dump files in efivars which is what the other person in the article suggested fixed his problem
[15:15] <ghostnik11> CarlFK: but i don't want to delete b/c i am not sure about that. i can just add the efi_no_storage_paranoia at end of command line in grub
[15:22] <gopal__> i was getting  " Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM.hcd failed with error -2 " in dmesa, so i did " sudo wget -O /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM.hcd https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/blob/master/brcm/BCM43142A0-0a5c-216d.hcd " after that i am getting https://imgur.com/a/nz1vtEj. bluetoothctl -> power on says No default controller available
[15:27] <ghostnik11> CarlFK: okay so i added it and then when i ran sudo grub-install it told me: Installing for i386-efi platform. Installation finished. No error reported. so it might be fixed but i will check back with eric^^ the efi expert to see if everything is really okay with grub and efi
[15:28] <CarlFK> ghostnik11: you know how to "hit e in grub" to edit at boot time, right?
[15:28] <ghostnik11> CarlFK: yeah i added the eif_no_storage_paranoia right after quiet splash
[15:29] <CarlFK> ghostnik11: that doesnt' tell me you know what "hit e in grub" is
[15:29] <ghostnik11> CarlFK: yeah i hit e and then i can edit the grub.cfg from grub.
[15:30] <gopal__> systemctl status bluetooth  says it is running and hcitool dev return no device name
[15:30] <CarlFK> well.. no. you are not changing the file
[15:30] <CarlFK> but thats ok, as long as you know where to hit e, thats all I care about
[15:34] <arunpyas-> any idea how we decode b'\\\xc4\xedw\xf4\x02\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x92,\xf1\x01\x02\x00\xf8J`\xd2\xb9\x07\xa1\x9e\x00\x00' to string please ?
[15:36] <ioria> gopal__, please,  dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm'
[15:36] <gopal__> ioria, output of lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net; lsusb; hciconfig -a; dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm' is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YfGSrgTPBN/
[15:38] <ducasse> arunpyas-: i don't see how that's an ubuntu question, tbh
[15:38] <immu_ubuntu> ducasse: hi
[15:39] <ducasse> \o immu_ubuntu
[15:39] <immu_ubuntu> remember me
[15:39] <immu_ubuntu> ducasse: :)
[15:41] <ioria> gopal__,  what fw file did you copy from github.com/winterheart/ ? (your it's not listed)
[15:41] <ioria> *s
[15:42] <gopal__> ioria, BCM43142A0-0a5c-216d.hcd
[15:42] <ioria> gopal__,  why ? yours is 14e4:4365
[15:43] <gopal__> ioria, lsusb says Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0a5c:216d Broadcom Corp.
[15:45] <ioria> gopal__,  heve you tried 'sudo modprobe -r btusb && sudo modprobe btusb' ?
[15:47] <gopal__> ioria, tried it
[15:47] <ioria> gopal__,  any output ?
[15:48] <gopal__> ioria, no
[15:48] <ioria> gopal__,    dmesg | tail ?
[15:49] <gopal__> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y4tDFHbdhW/
[15:50] <ioria> gopal__,   can you paste  ls /lib/firmware/brcm | pastebinit ?
[15:51] <gopal__> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HdVP4kNJqn/
[15:51] <ioria> gopal__,   BCM.hcd is the github one ?
[15:52] <gopal__> ioria, yes
[15:54] <ghostnik11> okay how can i get touchscreen to work like touchscreen on a smart phone while using lubuntu. currently touchscreen works but its more like a mouse pointer
[15:54] <ghostnik11> is there something i can install to get that working?
[15:54] <ioria> gopal__,   power off the machine (not reboot)
[15:55] <gopal__> ioria, tried to do power off after downloading bcm file
[15:55] <ioria> gopal__,  no idea then,  wrong fw maybe
[15:56] <ducasse> ghostnik11: i don't think lubuntu has any extensive touchscreen support
[15:56] <ghostnik11> ducasse: oh!!! okay, well can i add it since lubuntu is using ubuntu repos?
[15:57] <ducasse> ghostnik11: i don't think you understand - there is nothing for you to add, the lubuntu devs would need to implement it
[15:58] <gopal__> ioria, a user on #linux suggested <AAA> gopal__: deregistering interface driver btusb ,<AAA> gopal__: can you try a different/newer version of that driver?  or you may be missing helper modules. or maybe you have modules blacklisted , can you please help me to check them
[15:58] <ducasse> ghostnik11: it's not as simple as installing a package
[15:59] <ghostnik11> ducasse: that sucks!!! i was so hyped!!! uh, its so fast though, thats the reason why i took off ubuntu and went wtih lubuntu b/c its lighter than ubuntu
[16:02] <gopal__> ioria, before installing that file i was able to get device list but was not able to search for bluetooth device
[16:04] <ducasse> ghostnik11: part of the reason it's so light is it doesn't include support for a lot of things (like touchscreens)
[16:05] <ioria> gopal__,  hcitool dev  what says now ?
[16:05] <gopal__> ioria, devices :
[16:06] <gopal__> but no device name
[16:08] <gopal__> ioria, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160802 , #4 , ?
[16:10] <ioria> gopal__,   a patch you mean ?
[16:11] <gopal__> ioria, no
[16:15] <gopal__> ioria, it is related to me ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1032417/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bluetooth-0cf33004-discovery-not-working
[16:18] <Helenah> Hi, what does this error mean? "Error: Could not find or load main class .usr.bin.eclipse", I am new to eclipse, java and lua from a developers level and I am trying to use luaeclipse.
[16:19] <Helenah> And how would I go about correcting this issue?
[16:20] <Helenah> I forgot to mention, I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 and I installed eclipse via APT.
[16:23] <Helenah> Maybe I need to be using Eclipse Oxygen instead?
[16:23] <gopal__> ioria, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1764645
[16:24] <Helenah> Okay, purging, and installing Eclipse Oxygen, your services are no longer required.
[16:26] <gopal__> !ping
[16:27] <SysGhost> !pang
[16:27] <MWM> Im running into permission errors with fslint.  is there a way to run as root?
[16:30] <MWM> or a different tool that *can* run as root ?
[16:30] <zunk> MWM: sudo fslint?
[16:31] <MWM> sudo: fslint: command not found
[16:31] <gopal__>  #ubuntu-linux is not working ?
[16:31] <MWM> no way to start crom cli at all  (that I can find)
[16:32] <MWM> *from
[16:32] <zunk> MWM: sudo /path/to/fslint
[16:32] <zunk> or if its local directory sudo ./fslint
[16:32] <Helenah> Is it me? Or is this channel filled up with humans?
[16:32]  * Helenah sighs
[16:33] <MWM> zunk: seems to have done the trick.  thanks :D
[16:34] <zunk> MWM: here's for a graphical sudo if you need gui https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/
[16:34] <MWM> now i see why it normally oesnt run as root... the exclude list for all the root directories is giant
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Helenah, looking for bots ? :-)
[16:34] <Helenah> "Linux for human beings", very accurate motto at that! Now for the nerds to take over the channel.
[16:35] <cluelessperson> Does #ubuntu have a policy against public logging of chats?
[16:35] <mauz555> hello, i'm trying to connect my new arty a7 (fpga board) to a thinkpad running ubuntu. I installed the drivers and everything, but dmesg give me an error message, anyone can help ?
[16:36] <cluelessperson> mauz555: pastebin the error message, pastebin how its connected and the components involved
[16:36] <gopal__>  #ubuntu-linux is invite only ?
[16:36] <Helenah> cluelessperson: Yes, unless you are the undead.
[16:36] <Helenah> The undead are allowed to log the channel.
[16:36] <cluelessperson> gopal__: some channels are marked as offlimits/private to discourage people using them
[16:36] <cluelessperson> gopal__: creating a single space
[16:36] <MWM> ha that's funny.  I always meant to remeber to use gksu :D
[16:36] <MWM> and now its gone :P
[16:37] <cluelessperson> Helenah: I was searching through github and noticed some people hosting ubuntu logs for some software projects
[16:37] <cluelessperson> "topic clasification" basically
[16:37] <Helenah> That's the undead logging the chats.
[16:37] <cluelessperson> Helenah: I'm confused what you mean by that
[16:37] <Helenah> You know, zombies, moving skeletons
[16:38] <Helenah> Dead but moving
[16:38] <cluelessperson> Helenah: I'm very confused by what you're going on about.
[16:38] <kk4ewt> cluelessperson, you can log the channel for your personal use Freenode has a policy against publishing
[16:39] <Helenah> cluelessperson: That means, if you give the log to someone else, Freenode is likely to kick your ass.
[16:41] <cluelessperson> https://github.com/suki2691/ubuntu_dialogs
[16:41] <cluelessperson> :P
[16:44] <ghostnik11> okay i am trying to download the latest bluez packages and get bluetooth working on device. how can i from terminal download the newest from git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/bluetooth/bluez.git
[16:45] <Aaron> open up firefox
[16:45] <Aaron> and download it
[16:45] <Aaron> or man git
[16:45] <Ben64> ghostnik11: i'd recommend using the packages in the default ubuntu repositories
[16:46] <ghostnik11> Ben64: yeah but they might not have the latest bluez it might be the old one. currently bluetooth is up but i can't search for devices or be found by other devices
[16:50] <gopal__> ghostnik11, i was facing the same problem
[16:51] <gopal__> ghostnik11, which device you are using ?
[16:53] <gopal__> ghostnik11,  what dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm  says?
[16:56] <mauz555> hello linux mates, anyone is free to help, I'm stuck with my new FPGA --> https://pastebin.com/fKyDfhm3
[17:02] <CarlFK> mauz555: /j #timvideos
[17:33] <kumool> when you run service daemon start, it runs the script from init.d correct?
[17:34] <_KaszpiR_> depends
[17:34] <_KaszpiR_> it can be calling wrapper script if you are on os with systemd
[17:34] <kumool> i am
[17:34] <kumool> I think...
[17:34] <_KaszpiR_> systemctl
[17:35] <_KaszpiR_> should show a list of currently running services
[17:35] <_KaszpiR_> if not, you probably are not on systemd
[17:37] <kumool> it does not show the list of currently running services, just kernel constants
[17:37] <kumool> service --status-all does though
[17:47] <bluesmonk> Hi! do you know how to show the workspace number in the workspace icon in the desktop toolbar? google is not helping much
[17:48] <bluesmonk> in 18.04
[17:55] <kumool> list-units failed though
[18:01] <blackflow> kumool: systemctl not sysctl
[18:05] <bluesmonk> replying to myself https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/21/workspace-indicator/
[18:09] <Alina-malina> hey all, wondering if it is still possible to access HDD data from ubuntu/linux if i just disable one of my HDDs from bios and boot ?
[18:09] <bluesmonk> if you mount it, yes
[18:09] <Alina-malina> hmm, then whatfor is the option in BIOS for disabling it?
[18:10] <bluesmonk> what do you mean with disabling it from the BIOS?
[18:10] <Alina-malina> there is an option in bios to disable HDD bluesmonk
[18:10] <Alina-malina> when u first boot and get into BIOS when you hit del, or f8 or w.e.
[18:10] <Alina-malina> so there is a primary disk/secondary
[18:10] <bluesmonk> you mean changing the boot order?
[18:11] <Alina-malina> no just disabling it
[18:11] <Alina-malina> there is option "Disable"
[18:11] <bluesmonk> I don't recall that option, sorry
[18:11] <bluesmonk> you are the one that asked that
[18:11] <bluesmonk> actually
[18:11] <Alina-malina> damn let me check, now u make me feeling suspicious lol
[18:12] <bluesmonk> you say there is one, but you also ask where is it
[18:12] <Alina-malina> no i am not asking where is it, wait a second please
[18:12] <Alina-malina> ok
[18:12] <bluesmonk> oh sorry, you are asking what is it for
[18:12] <Alina-malina> so there is option to Disable it
[18:13] <Alina-malina> let me take a screenshit of my bios
[18:13] <Alina-malina> just a sec
[18:13]  * bluesmonk wonders how to do that
[18:13] <Alina-malina> lol
[18:13] <bluesmonk> like with your phone
[18:13] <Alina-malina> ye
[18:14] <Alina-malina> bluesmonk, https://image.ibb.co/jePofU/image.jpg  here
[18:14] <bluesmonk> I see
[18:15] <tomreyn> this is about whether this drive will be part of your boot sequence
[18:15] <Alina-malina> so if i disable it from there and boot like from flash drive or w.e. i boot, will i still be able to Enable back that HDD from linux?
[18:15] <bluesmonk> based on my intuition, if it's worth something
[18:15] <bluesmonk> I would say it wont appear in your OS
[18:15] <bluesmonk> thus you wont be able to mount it
[18:15] <tomreyn> it doesn't affect wehether or not the drive is exposed to the OS (it still will be)
[18:15] <Alina-malina> hmm
[18:16] <bluesmonk> I say you go ahead and try it
[18:16] <Alina-malina> damn it
[18:16] <bluesmonk> if there-s no drawbacks of course
[18:16] <Alina-malina> well, rn i dont have a bootable USB, so i thought someone might know this already, i will try this definitely on the morning
[18:17] <Alina-malina> tomreyn, you think it will be mountable even if you disable it from bios? :-/
[18:18] <tomreyn> Alina-malina: "mountable" is about file systems, not about storages. the storage will continue to show up when the Os looks for available storages (SATA bus scan)
[18:19] <tomreyn> as i said, th eonly thing you're changing at theis location of the bio is the boot order and whether the bios will make an attempt to boot off a device (enabled) or not (disabled)
[18:19] <Alina-malina> tomreyn, i have an ubuntu server there, but also i have another ubuntu on other drive, which i want to mount to that computer, but i dont want that one could "see" the other when one boots up
[18:20] <tomreyn> why not, dont you trust your OS?
[18:21] <Alina-malina> i do trust, but i dont want other root priviledged users from other drive see the other and vice versa
[18:21] <ducasse> Alina-malina: if you don't want the os to see the drive then pull the cables
[18:21] <tomreyn> root is full access to everything, i don't think you have a lot of options othe rthan FDE
[18:22] <Alina-malina> ducasse, well then why the heck that option of disabling is in bios lol, i thought its nice protection feature without cable pulling etc
[18:22] <Alina-malina> eh
[18:22] <Alina-malina> not sure what is FDE tomreyn
[18:22] <Alina-malina> oh
[18:22] <Alina-malina> ok
[18:22] <Alina-malina> full disk encryption
[18:23] <Alina-malina> yes of coarse
[18:23] <Alina-malina> thanks for the idea tomreyn
[18:23] <tomreyn> FDE doesn't prevent destroying data, though.
[18:23] <bluesmonk> I think the option is there to fiddle with the boot order
[18:23] <bluesmonk> like, don't attempt to boot from this device
[18:23] <Alina-malina> well the other HDD root users come from internet, so i have a separate OS with separate HDD for them completely, but eh...
[18:24] <tomreyn> so if you don't want to trust one of the OS's then you'll need to compartmentalize it, such as by running it in a VM.
[18:24] <Alina-malina> ah VM not an option unfortunately, i also was thinking of this, but they might notice they are on virtualized envuironment and i got problems, they want bare metal access
[18:25] <tomreyn> if you're 'selling' (?) dedicated hardware, then you should also provide that
[18:26] <Alina-malina> tomreyn, i am not selling anything lol, its for learning purposes, but still i dont want other people have see "my real computer"
[18:26] <tomreyn> then have two computers.
[18:26] <ntd> who made the decision that the bionic server image should be *juuust* to large fit on a CD?
[18:26] <Alina-malina> i invite people to my box, so we share knowledges etc
[18:26] <Alina-malina> tomreyn, lol, well i only got 1
[18:26] <ntd> if the image is too large, might as well even more onto it
[18:27] <Alina-malina> anyways thanks for your time tomreyn i think FDE is the only reliable options
[18:27] <Alina-malina> option*
[18:27] <tomreyn> Alina-malina: get one from the closest city dump or buy a SOC for <50 USD/EUR
[18:28] <Alina-malina> :)
[18:28] <Alina-malina> tomreyn, i want to "feel them inside my box" lol....
[18:29] <Alina-malina> also its not a commercial purpose, its just for fun no need for VPS or w.e.
[18:30] <hggdh> ntd: it has been larger than what fits in a CD for quite some time. Nevertheless, we do not put "uncommon" packages in it
[18:39] <ntd> trusty and xenial certainly did fit
[18:41] <salamanderrake> I updated/reinstalled ubuntu to 18.04 and now I have a bunch of files named with ' in there titles, like 'Some File.txt' or 'Some Directory' and its anything with spaces in its name
[18:41] <salamanderrake> or thats how it shows in Terminal.
[18:49] <EriC^^> !ping
[19:13] <hal-mb> I am currently unable to boot my ubuntu 18.04 system after I attempted to install the proprietry nvidia drivers downloaded from the nvidia website. I blacklisted the nouveau modules and then ran update-initramfs.
[19:15] <hal-mb> When I reboot, the normal boot goes into a loop, and any of the recovery modes that work boot into read-only mode. A lot of them don't boot, and go into a loop.
[19:15] <hal-mb> can anyone tell me how I can proceed to get my system booting again, please?
[19:17] <coz_> hal-mb,  do you get to text console?
[19:19] <coz_> hal-mb, ok read only mode, you can log in there, yes?
[19:22] <coz_> hal-mb, log in try    sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade , if anything is updated  then  sudo init 6    <<reboot,
[19:24] <coz_> hal-mb, My schedule has me off and on irc,  I have to leave right now
[19:27] <hal-mb> I don't even know how to get in to read only console mode reliably.
[19:28] <ioria> why read only ???
[19:28] <ioria> hal-mb, you need to sudo sh NVIDIA* --uninstall; remove the blacklist; run again update-initramfs
[19:29] <ioria> hal-mb, alt+ctrl+fX to get a console (and it's not in ro mode)
[19:30] <hal-mb> ioria: thank you. I got to root console via the recovery mode. I'll try the steps you recommend. Give me 10
[19:30] <ioria> hal-mb, npe
[19:30] <ioria> hal-mb, in recovery you are in ro mode
[19:31] <ioria> hal-mb, you need to remount rw (read/write) : mount -o remount,rw /
[19:32] <ioria> hal-mb, the system isn't booting at all ? or you get the login screen at least ?
[19:33] <hal-mb> no login screen. I can just see the processes starting up, and then it flashes the list of that screen output, but no gui starts
[19:34] <hal-mb> going into root console mode and mount -a seems to have mounted rw
[19:35] <ioria> hal-mb, cd /home/youruser and    run 'touch pippo'
[19:37] <hal-mb> yeah, I could create files there
[19:37] <ioria> hal-mb, cd  in the nvidia installer directory
[19:37] <hal-mb> thank you - I'm back in. Still, the recovery modes dont seem very sensible. Why isnt one of them to start up using a basic display driver, as this is one of the fundamental things that can go wrong?
[19:38] <ioria> hal-mb, btw, why did you choose the nvidia website version ?
[19:38] <EriC^^> hal-mb: there is a recovery mode > then use a fail safe graphics option
[19:39] <ioria> hal-mb, you can add 'nomodeset' to the kernel  line
[19:40] <ioria> hal-mb, but it's not point
[19:40] <ioria> *the
[19:41] <hal-mb> let me try rebooting into the recovery modes to see if they work now
[19:42] <ioria> they who ?
[19:53] <hal-mb> if I boot into recovery mode and leave it for a minute, a load of messages are printed over the screen, such as "[DEPEND] Dependency failed for /boot/efi" , [DEPEND] Dependency failed for File System Check on /dev/mapper/ubuntu-data" (this is one of my custom mounts that I set up at install time) and many other messages
[19:54] <hal-mb> The Recovery menu still seems to work
[19:56] <hal-mb> if I click on dpkg, it goes through some processes and then shows "apport-autoreport.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it"
[19:56] <hal-mb> and doesn't go any further
[19:57] <karabaja4> can I run the same conky on all 3 screens using a single conky instance? or the only solution is just run 3 conkys with different xinerama_head values?
[19:59] <hal-mb> my system was only installed the other day, and was a clean install. I'm surprised these features don't work
[20:03] <hal-mb> EriC^^: how do you get into the fail safe graphics option?
[20:06] <lenny_lemon> how can i update cpu driver in ubuntu 16?
[20:08] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: you can install microcode updates, but that's it
[20:08] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: what are you trying to achieve?
[20:08] <lenny_lemon> i am not sure if my driver is up to date ...
[20:09] <lenny_lemon> and still got some issues with UEFI and somebody long ago find out that might be something to do with cpu driver and kernel driver ...
[20:09] <lenny_lemon> but is bit advanced for me ...
[20:10] <lenny_lemon> so want to update cpu at least ...
[20:10] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: the 'cpu driver' is the kernel. what are you running there, what's your hardware?
[20:11] <tomreyn> if someone told you (literally) that you "need to upgrade your linux cpu driver" then they should not be listended to.
[20:13] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, why?   64bit, intel i5-3210M CPU @ 2.50GHz, 8GB RAM ...
[20:14] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, the person did not tell me to upgrade it but upgrade might help to solve the UEFI problem ... he provided page to read where other has similar or same problem ...
[20:14] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: why what?
[20:15] <tomreyn> that's not a very recent cpu, it will work fine with all supported ubuntu releases.
[20:16] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: which ubuntu version do you run there?
[20:16] <lenny_lemon> 16.04
[20:16] <tomreyn> .5 ?
[20:17] <tomreyn> do you run the hwe kernel?
[20:17] <tomreyn> !hwe
[20:17] <lenny_lemon> 16.04.5 LTS ... sorry
[20:18] <tomreyn> with hwe, "cat /proc/version" will report 4.15.something, otherwise 4.4.something
[20:19] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: what does "apt-cache policy intel-microcode | grep Installed" return?
[20:20] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, Installed: 3.20180807a.0ubuntu0.16.04.1
[20:21] <tomreyn> so you have the latest microcode installed, and i assume also the latest (hwe) kernel available for your ubuntu release. then nothing else can be done on ubuntu. you could maybe upgrade your bios / uefi.
[20:22] <tomreyn> but then you haven't actually discussed what the 'uefi issues' are.
[20:22] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, that's the issue with UEFI ... i cannot access BIOS ... no key ... no key combination ...
[20:24] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, when I got laptop, it came with win 8 ... UEFI secure boot enabled ... I resized partitions to install ubuntu but after only win automatically starts ...
[20:24] <lenny_lemon> obviously in 2012 i did not know have to disabled secure boot ... so i cannot access it since ...
[20:26] <lenny_lemon> I installed ubuntu on usb persistent and installed it from there to laptop without win on new hdd ... every time i turn off laptop i have to plug USB with ubuntu to start it ... otherwise will have just black screen ...
[20:27] <lenny_lemon> cannot access BIOS/UEFI or boot order ...
[20:27] <wifi_sucks_anywa>  I'm having some difficulty getting my fresh Ubuntu 18.04 installation to register my Honeybull 1200 USB WiFi adapter. I've followed instructions from this github: https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux but it still does not come up. dmesg picks up the device when I plug it in but when I try to load the module I get errors about a verification signature failure
[20:29] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: which computer model is this? can you:  dmesg | pastebinit
[20:30] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, Lenovo z580
[20:34] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, dmesg has over 1500 lines ...
[20:35] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: that's not unusual. you dont have to paste it if it feeels uncomfortable, we can cheery pick informaiton we need.
[20:36] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, i fine with it ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jJR9P4NkgF/
[20:36] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: running "sudo systemctl reboot --firmware-setup" should instantly reboot your system into the uefi setup.
[20:37] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: oh, you run UFW, and the interesting dmesg is missing because ufw spams the buffer and old records have been lost, so the relevant info is missing. thanks for posting, though.
[20:38] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, UFW ?
[20:38] <tomreyn> "uncomplicated firewall"
[20:39] <tomreyn> the host based firewall you have configured on your system, probably using the 'gufw' GUI
[20:42] <tomreyn> i suspect that you have fastboot enabled and thus cannot access the uefi setup utility by keystroke after powering on. however, running "sudo systemctl reboot --firmware-setup" tells the uefi to start itself on next boot rather than booting into an OS.
[20:42] <tomreyn> so it should enable you to access and configure it (unless you also have a password set which you forgot)
[20:43] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, password for encrypting disk and i think fastboot is enabled ...
[20:44] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, but i cannot restart at the moment as i am running some unfinish work what I need to save ... will take a while ...
[20:45] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: the (OPAL) disk firmware encryption password is not required to enter the uefi configuration utility.
[20:45] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: ok, good luck later.
[20:45] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, but i saved it and will execute it straight after i finish ... if it does not help i'll let you know ...
[20:46] <TeddyMurray> im trying to configure phpmyadmin on apache and ubuntu 16.06
[20:46] <TeddyMurray> y> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-secure-phpmyadmin-on-ubuntu-16-04 im using this tutorial, but when i visit the http://ip/phpmyadmin it looks like the paths weren't set to
[20:46] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, when i install ubuntu i disabled secure boot ... so before anything will shows i got msg on top SECURE BOOT IS DISABLED
[20:46] <TeddyMurray> usr/share/phpmyadmin
[20:47] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, thanks will let you know ...
[20:49] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: i don't consider secure boot disabled to be an issue, other than it means that a malicious process with root access could factually lock your mainboard from booting your computer, and (if you really use OPAL) the data on your drives, too.
[20:51] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, what kind of malicious process you mean? like malware or something?
[20:51] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: yes. it's rather unlikely, and complex. just ignore it.
[20:52] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, I doubt it ... but anything is possible ...
[20:57] <tomreyn> TeddyMurray: did you mean ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[20:58] <TeddyMurray> yes sorry
[20:58] <TeddyMurray> found a workaround, manually installing the zip from phpmyadmin
[21:00] <tomreyn> there should have been /etc/apache2/conf.d/*phpmyadmin* which includes /usr/share/phpmyadmin on any site where /phpmyadmin is accessed
[21:01] <tomreyn> i think it is commented out by default, though
[21:01] <tomreyn> your workaround may work around needing to finish the configuration of the phpmyadmin ubuntu package, but it also means you loose the ability to track and install security patched using apt.
[21:02] <tomreyn> *patcheS
[21:02] <TeddyMurray> =[
[21:02] <nucc1> does anyone know how i can override the apache systemd unit file and not have it reset on updates?
[21:03] <EriC^^> hal-mb: in grub choose advanced, then recovery and when it loads choose fail safe graphics at the top
[21:03] <EriC^^> it's basically 'nomodeset'
[21:06] <moredrowsy> hi, i have issues with booting ubuntu on an external hd
[21:06] <moredrowsy> ubuntu boots fine when changing pc
[21:06] <moredrowsy> however, when i set up a kvm with a bridge
[21:06] <moredrowsy> sometimes it won't boot on another pc
[21:07] <moredrowsy> when i revert the changes in /etc/network/interfaces back to default, ubuntu boots fine
[21:07] <moredrowsy> this is what i changes to the network interfaces
[21:07] <moredrowsy> auto lo br0
[21:07] <moredrowsy> iface lo inet loopback
[21:07] <moredrowsy> iface enp9s0 inet manual
[21:08] <moredrowsy> iface br0 inet dhcp
[21:08] <moredrowsy>     bridge_ports enp9s0
[21:08] <moredrowsy> sometimes i have to completely remove the br0 to boot on a new computer
[21:08] <moredrowsy> or change the en9s0 to the correct one
[21:09] <moredrowsy> anyone knows of a solution to fix this without changing the network interfaces all the time on booting on a new computer?
[21:10] <_KaszpiR_> this is probably because ot udev and predictable device names
[21:10] <tomreyn> !paste | moredrowsy
[21:11] <moredrowsy> _KaszpiR_, is there any solution to this?
[21:11] <_KaszpiR_> you coud just try without udev rules for network interfaces, so first network card would always be eth0 on any modern hardware
[21:12] <moredrowsy> i'm sorry, i'm new. how do i do that?
[21:13] <_KaszpiR_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/240632/how-to-disable-udev-net-rule-generation
[21:13] <moredrowsy> ill read that. thanks!
[21:15] <_KaszpiR_> see second answer from top (tl;dr version, create empty file (or just comment only) under /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules )
[21:15] <tomreyn> i think you can also name interfaces based on the devices' mac address, this would guarantee persistent names across machines.
[21:15] <_KaszpiR_> and reboot
[21:15] <moredrowsy> would that be the network card mac?
[21:16] <tomreyn> what i suggested? yes.
[21:17] <moredrowsy> ok, ill try. thanks guys!
[21:34] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, sudo systemctl reboot --firmware-setup just restarted laptop ...
[21:34] <lenny_lemon> no BIOS/UEFI or boot order ...
[21:35] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: hmm, a pity. and F2 or Fn-F2 doesn't do it either?
[21:35] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, i tried every key and combination of keys ...
[21:36] <tomreyn> i doubt this.
[21:36] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, lenovo just replace motherboard what i heard ... but mine is out of warranty ...
[21:37] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: do you have a file /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware
[21:37] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, tried with battery out only on plug ... try to force system to go BIOS after many restarts and shutdowns ...
[21:38] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, yes
[21:39] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: where did you say grub loads from when you boot?
[21:39] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, i must have USB key with ubuntu inserted to start laptop ...
[21:40] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, do you want me to pastebinit what is in 30_uefi-firmware?
[21:41] <arsix> using ubuntu 18.04, i'm launching a different window manager (spectrwm) but i can't, for the life of me, figure out how to run a few commands whenever i log in. ~/.xinitrc certainly doesn't seem to be the answer. can anybody point me in the right direction? gdm3 seems to be my session manager
[21:41] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: no thanks. reboot again and access the grub menu, then press 'c', then type: fwsetup
[21:42] <tomreyn> that's another way to enter the uefi setup
[21:42] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, how exactly i can access grub menu?
[21:43] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: you hold down the shift key during boot
[21:43] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: alternatively, keep pressing escape until it shows up.
[21:46] <tomreyn> arsix: ~/.xinitrc should still be handled (at least if you run X, not wayland). is it chmod +x?
[21:46] <sonicwind> ooohh... just learned something... thanks tomreyn (the fwsetup from grub)
[21:47] <tomreyn> sonicwind: :) welcome. update-grub should add it to your menu by default if it can determine a compatible system.
[21:47] <arsix> i'll double check. is it "#!/bin/sh" at the top or does it need to be something else?
[21:48] <tomreyn> i guess i'd use #!/usr/bin/env bash
[21:49] <sonicwind> you'd have to reboot again then, right? to get into UEFI setup
[21:50] <arsix> just tried your line and then a simple `xsetroot -solid lightblue &` (which works when i just run it in a terminal)
[21:50] <arsix> would i need to restart gdm3 altogether for that to be consumed? i was just logging out and back in again
[21:50] <tomreyn> sonicwind: on the system i used it on, selecting thios option would reboot immediately, and enter the uefi configuration interface
[21:50] <tomreyn> *user interface
[21:51] <sonicwind> ok
[21:51] <tomreyn> arsix: you'd probably need to restart gdm, maybe X, too. is ~/.xinitrc mode +x though?
[21:52] <arsix> yeah, made sure to chmod. just restarted the system altogether to no avail, unfortunately
[21:52] <arsix> 775 permissions
[21:53] <tomreyn> arsix: and you logged on (via gdm3) to the same user whose $HOME you placed .xinitrc in?
[21:53] <tomreyn> !releasenotes
[21:53] <arsix> yeah, unless there's some weird subtlety going on with that. i only have one user on this system
[21:54] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, just restart it when i typed fwsetup ... when i tried type help shows: error: Secure Boot forbids loading module from (hd1,gpt1)/boot/grub/x86_64-efi/help.mod
[21:54] <tomreyn> arsix: X.org logs may now be found at ~/.local/share/xorg - maybe check what's going on there
[21:54] <arsix> yeah, i was just looking at that
[21:55] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: you said secureboot was on, so this comes to no surprise. the grub help is a grub module, which uefi considers to taint the secureboot process
[21:56] <tomreyn> (since the module is not signed with any of the keys it trusts, i guess)
[21:56] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, but after i typed fwsetup restarted and shows msg: Booting in insecure mode
[21:57] <arsix> nothing obviously interesting in the log. is there maybe a more basic command you can think of that i can run just to, like, prove to myself that it's actually running at all?
[21:57] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: interesting. but it still doesn't enter the setup utility?
[22:01] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, not at all ...
[22:02] <tomreyn> arsix: touch /tmp/i_was_at_xinitrc_and_all_i_got_is_this_lousy_empty_file
[22:03] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: hmm, well, that's all i can think of. i'd retry F2 and function-F2 while its 'Booting in insecure mode'. but that's up to you...
[22:04] <tomreyn> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht500216
[22:04] <arsix> yeah, the touch isn't getting executed
[22:04] <tomreyn> also check if you have a 'novo button'
[22:05] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, i'll give try ... but laptop has NOVO button what after press will show 4 options: normal start, Bios, Boot order and recovery ... no matter what i press it always just started ... recovery just works but when i had win ...
[22:11] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, nothing worked ...
[22:12] <quiltbitch> Ubuntu 18.04 is soooooooooooo great. That's it.. that's all I wanted to say :)
[22:12] <quiltbitch> I don't see any reason to ever boot up my windows machine
[22:15] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, but thanks for try ...
[22:15] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2117760&p=12532607#post12532607 might be another option. but i can't really think of more.
[22:17] <tomreyn> sudo find /boot/EFI -iname bootmgfw.efi
[22:17] <ghostnik11> EriC^^: hey don't know if your busy but i wanted to ask you some questions on efi and esp partition and all that jazz. but i am running a quick experiment to see if my system will freeze when i try to run sudo grub-install like it was doing in the past. give me a few minutes to see
[22:17] <tomreyn> whoops, i mean: sudo find /boot/efi/EFI/ -iname bootmgfw.efi
[22:18] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: ^
[22:19] <lenny_lemon> tomreyn, what it suppose to do? did nothing ...
[22:21] <tomreyn> lenny_lemon: i was hoping you'd have this efi boot code which i think also spawns the uefi configuration utility.
[22:26] <ghostnik11> okay i am back and i can confirm the system crashes when i try to run grub-install via terminal. but the system doesn't crash when i add the kernel argument from grub menu. the kernel argument is: efi_no_storage_paranoia
[22:31] <buyaka> has anyone seen a dual-boot issue where you the Windows bootloader shows up in GRUB but when you select you get a 'not found error' meanwhile you can boot into Windows directly from BIOS? Ive tried grubupdate but that hasnt fixed it
[22:34] <tomreyn> buyaka: if you had the "os-prober" package installed on ubuntu and removed it later on, this could occur, i guess.
[22:35] <buyaka> yeah Im pretty sure os-prober is still installed. GRUB detects windows it just wont boot into it from the menu
[22:36] <tomreyn> maybe purge and reinstall it just in case
[22:40] <buyaka> I found one more thing to try
[23:22] <_amine__> I'm insatlling a library package: libxxx-dev, but I cant find it in the pkg-config --list-all, is that means it's not installed correctly ?
[23:27] <ahi2> buyaka: do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[23:36] <drecondius> Do I need a different chat for help with my vulkan drivers on my system because they continually fail to initialize citing invalid driver
[23:36] <ghostnik11> hey i am trying to get bluetooth working and want to use the git.bluez 5.50 from github. how can i download the 5.50 release from github.
[23:39] <tomreyn> drecondius: which graphics hardware + driver?
[23:40] <drecondius> currently a Radeon hd 6770 with Mesa 18.3 i think
[23:43] <ghostnik11> in my synaptic it shows i have 5.48 bluez version but for some reason my bluetooth doesn't work
[23:44] <drecondius> Mesa 18.3.0-devel
[23:44] <tomreyn> drecondius: so you're using which ubuntu version and graphics drivers?
[23:44] <drecondius> Ubuntu Mate 18.04 with Mesa 18.3.0-devel with a Radeon HD 6770
[23:45] <skinux> Can anyone help with ALT keys combined with left/right arrow keys switching between shells and DE?
[23:45] <tomreyn> there's no mesa 18.3.0-devel on ubuntu 18.04, though.
[23:45] <drecondius> sec
[23:45] <drecondius> it's a ppa
[23:46] <drecondius> Vulkan hasn't worked since initial install and update however so I finally went hunting for an updated mesa ppa
[23:46] <tomreyn> the only ones which can be recommended are padoka + oibaf
[23:47] <drecondius> oibaf
[23:47] <drecondius> padoka?
[23:48] <drecondius> nvm, I had that ppa as well and my standard performance simply wasn't there. so switched to oibaf ppa
[23:49] <drecondius> this is the vulkaninfo message : ulkan Instance Version: 1.1.70
[23:49] <drecondius> errr
[23:49] <drecondius> build/vulkan-Kbdbga/vulkan-1.1.70+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:2700: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED
[23:52] <tomreyn> there are multiple PPAs by them. i guess https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa *may* work with radv on your hardware, but you'd surely have  better chances with a newer generation card.
[23:52] <tomreyn> also this stuff is still pretty young.
[23:52] <billythekido7> Hello
[23:53] <tomreyn> drecondius: maybe #ubuntu-x or #amdgpu can provide more hints, but be sure to have read all and any availabel information oinline beforehand - busy folks.
[23:53] <billythekido7> Is there any point securing GRUB (turn off recovery mode, adding password etc) when booting in legacy? It seems to me that it's pointless
[23:54] <ghostnik11> hey is it safe to download bluez-5.50.tar.xz from here: http://www.bluez.org/download/
[23:54] <tomreyn> billythekido7: what would you like to protect against?
[23:54] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: we only support the software available in ubuntu here.
[23:54] <tomreyn> !ot
[23:55] <billythekido7> tomreyn: I just try to understand why people suggest it. It seems to me with local access it's pointless
[23:56] <billythekido7> tomreyn: I was reading this: https://ip.engineering/howto-hardening-grub/ Even with all the hardening, a malicious user with local access can just overwrite the /boot and get over with it. right?
[23:57] <tomreyn> billythekido7: as long as they can boot the system or modify what's on the hdd by other means, yes.
[23:57] <billythekido7> tomreyn: I was thinking plugging a USB and overwriting the /boot
[23:58] <billythekido7> so what's the point in doing it?
[23:58] <billythekido7> does setting a password in grub protects against other non-local attacks? I can't think of any...
[23:59] <tomreyn> billythekido7: i would think this scenarios involves access restriting the bios setup utility and restricting the configuration to only carry out your standard boot routine (from first hdd), and probably chassis intrusion detection, too.