[00:00] <tomreyn> billythekido7: but if you worry about physical attacks you *really* need to go to lengths, and even secureboot wont fix it.
[00:00] <guiverc> billythekido7: some machines won't boot usb without password, others when booting usb disable the encryption keys enclosed within - it depends on hardware; on consumer grade you do have a point
[00:02] <billythekido7> I'm not worried about an attack to be frank. I was just trying to understand why one would do this if they boot on legacy
[00:04] <tomreyn> a mixture of healthy or unhealthy paranoia and lack of understanding most of the time, i would think.
[00:04] <billythekido7> Is there a reason why LVM + password encryption on the data is not enough for every case?
[00:05] <tomreyn> again, this question is pointless unless you define what you are trying to procet, and against what.
[00:05] <billythekido7> The only scenario I can think of for protecting grub is when you REALLY don't want the pc to boot with another disk or something. It's not about the data that you have on your disk...
[00:05] <billythekido7> tomreyn: I'm asking for a scenario basically because with my limited knowledge I can't think of any...
[00:07] <tomreyn> fde has a very limited use case: protecting against data exfiltration while the system is powered off
[00:07] <billythekido7> right, that I understand..
[00:08] <ghostnik11> hey get error when i try to install bluez release 5.50. this is it: libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.4.2 Debian-2.4.2-1.11, but the
[00:08] <tomreyn> and that wont even prevent againt deletion and sometimes not againt modification of data
[00:08] <billythekido7> right, I understand what you say
[00:09] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: still ot here
[00:09] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: what can i say, i am a fighter but now i am trying to fix bluetooth since the asus t100 devices have to be done manually to get it working
[00:10] <ghostnik11> tomreyn: i did figure out how to fix grub!!! but i am waiting for EriC^^ to give me a chance and see if he can clear up some stuff for me in terms of efi and esp
[00:12] <ghostnik11> when i was running automake i got this error: configure.ac:4: error: version mismatch.  This is Automake 1.15.1, configure.ac:4: but the definition used by this AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE configure.ac:4: comes from Automake 1.14.1.  You should recreate configure.ac:4: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again.
[00:12] <billythekido7> tomreyn: so in a situation where you have full disk encryption and physical access, the only reason to secure boot/grub is to avoid someone booting the machine with their own external disk or something.
[00:12] <ghostnik11> how can i remake aclocal.m4 with aclocal?
[00:12] <tomreyn> billythekido7: with secureboot, if you assume it is not broken (or this is just not relevant in your scenario), password protected bios, grub requiring a password and FDE including /boot, you can (partially, IIRC) protect against evil maid and similar attacks
[00:15] <billythekido7> tomreyn: haha, never heard of evil maid before. That's one scenario I had in mind though. The maid gets into the data center, shuts down a machine with 16 GPUs, boots it with their own disk and starts mining bitcoins or somethjing...
[00:15] <tomreyn> billythekido7: the whole encryptede boot chain is really just an attempt to prevent you booting into a compromised system, i.e. if the system was compromised, it would not boot, or not fully, or not at all.
[00:16] <billythekido7> yeap I see your point
[00:17] <tomreyn> and achieving just this little bit of attestation is really complex and can go wrong in so many ways
[00:17] <billythekido7> tomreyn: oh I just realized that if one can tamper with /boot in theory they can inject things to your OS next time you decrypt it...
[00:17] <ghostnik11> can i run this: autoreconf --force --install as they are saying it just some type of mismatch between the tools
[00:18] <ghostnik11> or should i run this first: make maintainer-clean
[00:19] <ghostnik11> to clean it first before i try and build and it from scratch again?
[00:19] <tomreyn> billythekido7: right, you can only shift the level of security to higher and higher layers by moving the decryption keys up and up on the chain. but then you ensd up with proprietary firmware running on proprietary cpu designs, and i'm not sure much is won.
[00:20] <billythekido7> tomreyn: thanks man, I learned a lot. I understand the reasons now. :)
[00:21] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[00:44] <ghostnik11> okay i just checked my system and i have no etc/rc.local folder
[00:44] <ghostnik11> or should i say i don't have a rc.local file
[00:45] <ghostnik11> should i just create one as i am trying to btattach my device's bluetooth driver
[00:49] <guiverc> ghostnik11: rc.local was used by sysvinit as i recall, modern Ubuntu uses systemd which doesn't use it by default so it'll have no effect, this may help enabling it https://askubuntu.com/questions/9853/how-can-i-make-rc-local-run-on-startup
[00:50] <ghostnik11> guiverc: thanks
[00:54] <ghostnik11> guiverc: okay i enabled it with this command: systemctl status rc-local.service but the thing is it seems the rc.local file is in systemd
[00:57] <guiverc> ghostnik11: sorry I have no experience with it  (it was the 18 upvote answer I meant, possibly also needing the comment which provides a link to more clues)
[00:59] <ghostnik11> guiverc: okay, no problem yeah well i see the file: /lib/systemd/system/rc.local.services and when i open that rc.local.service it says: # This unit gets pulled automatically into multi-user.target by # systemd-rc-local-generator if /etc/rc.local is executable
[01:01] <ghostnik11> guiverc: actually mine is inactivated
[01:12] <ghostnik11> guiverc: thanks bro i was able to get it activated rc.local
[01:47] <ule> Hey guys, I upgraded my Ubuntu from 16.04 to 18.04. Now my external monitor doesn't work.
[01:47] <ule> What's the deal to make it work? I tried every stackoverflow answers I could try. Basically everyone says: dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[01:53] <guiverc> ule:   if you click super & open 'display' (settings; i'm not using gnome and it may be different) - do both displays show? ... i assume you are on laptop (as external) - have you disabled external monitor via keystroke (I can on thinkpad, if disabled via keystroke I need to re-enable via keystroke before ubuntu recognizes it)
[02:07] <buyaka> ahi2: hey I had stepped away from my computer. You were asking if I have ntfs-3g installed?
[02:10] <ahi2> buyaka: it might help being able to boot up windows
[02:59] <Genius-> Hello
[03:07] <Genius-> Anybody helping ?
[03:14] <guiverc> Genius-: if you have a Ubuntu support question, please just ask it.  If someone knows the answer, or can help you, they will   Patience is useful here... (people do other things too)
[03:15] <Genius-> Im having problem with partitioning
[03:16] <Genius-> I download ubuntu and made USB bootable but im stuck on partitioning
[03:16] <Genius-> I wanna make dual boot
[03:17] <Genius-> You recommend any tools ?
[03:18] <guiverc> Genius-: I find using `gparted` easier to use, to use 'try ubuntu', load and partition my disk(s) with `gparted` writing down the details on a scrap envelope, then start the installer & use 'something else' & make it use the partitions I've already setup.  Most important - backup your data/system first (before installing Ubuntu)
[03:18] <Genius-> Thank you brother I will try that :) Thanks for ur time and effort
[03:31] <lapion> guiverc, the best kernel boot option to use when using gparted from a live installation system is "toram"
[03:33] <lapion> guiverc,  the boot takes longer but the whole system is run from ram so you remove the installation medium from points of failure
[03:34] <guiverc> lapion: i dont' specify a boot option to use gparted when using a live (ubuntu install media), i just select 'try ubuntu' & use it once loaded (some flavors may require me to add it first - if so I just apt install it)
[03:36] <lapion> guiverc, while in grub loader or syslinux edit the boot options and add toram to the kernel start options and the whole "live" system will get loaded from memory
[03:55] <hiimjosh> is this thing on?
[04:17] <gagan662_> Hi, Why SSH agent variables are not there when ssh to my system?
[04:17] <gagan662_> It works when i log into my system directly.
[04:46] <roadkill> gagan662_: try adding them to .bashrc?
[04:47] <gagan662_> Thanks it got resolved.
[04:58] <ilias_gr> hi all. i read about this option https://askubuntu.com/questions/285212/keeping-the-same-home-partition-after-a-clean-install. how can i check if my system has a separate partition for /home. I checked gparted and i saw only an /dev/sda1=/boot and /devsda2=extended. i don't see any other mount point.
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | ilias_gr start here mate
[05:00] <guiverc> ilias_gr: there are many ways, you could look in /etc/fstab, use `lsblk` (looking for mount points)..
[05:03] <ilias_gr> guiverc: no mount point for /home
[05:05] <guiverc> no mount point, means it will go onto /  (the catch all partition).  If you re-install Ubuntu, you can always use 'something else' & select partition, picking no-format and it will erase system dirs, but not touch /home - but I always opt for /home in a seperate partition if I can..
[05:08] <ilias_gr> guiverc: ok. i see. So no separate patrition for /home. If i update ubuntu without format / is in't possible to old files conflict with new ones?
[05:08] <guiverc> ilias_gr: out of interest, what partition in /  (sda3?) -- if you have lots of free space, you could shrink it, make another partition within the extended (assuming it's within extended sda2) and then `cp` or copy files to it.. but a lot of work...
[05:09] <Kon_> Yeah, creating a new /home partition after the fact is a bit of work
[05:09] <guiverc> ilias_gr: if you re-install Ubuntu (newer version, even same version) selecting something-else & no format, it erases only program/system directories, then does install of programs & system - not touching any of /home.  at conclusion of install, it re-installs the programs you already had installed (ie. it performs the upgrade pretty well, only exception is 3rd party programs you may have added)
[05:10] <ilias_gr> guiverc: sure a lot of work. i can use grsync or similar to backup and do i real clean installation to update my distro but i was wondering if i could avoid this hard procedure to re-configure my system.
[05:11] <Kon_> guiverc, are you sure about that? In that case, it would mean a /home partition is a moot point unless it's on another physical disk
[05:12] <Kon_> Because the only reason to have one would be in case of disk failure
[05:16] <guiverc> Kon_: it's still worthwhile in my opinion, but  the install I mentioned is via something-else.. i've yet to install 18.04/18.10 (only upgrades) but my statement has applied to prior versions.  seperate /home makes switching between OSes easier, and installs safer in my opinion..
[05:16] <cfhowlett> +1!
[05:17] <Kon_> I agree, but I'm surprised to learn the installer is smarter than I gave it credit for
[05:20] <ilias_gr> guiverc: i agree too that is a smart option a separate /home. but unfortunately i haven't it.
[05:22] <guiverc> ilias_gr: to make one, I'd backup data, validate-backup, shrink partition (live system using gparted), make new partition in space, then copy your /home data to new partition, modify /etc/fstab to mount that partition as /home - and should be done... the amount of space you have, will probably dictate the ease of this...
[05:22] <cfhowlett> !home | ilias_gr
[05:24] <ilias_gr> ok. i understand. thank you for your advises. is it a problem that /home is encrypted?
[05:26] <guiverc> problem no, more difficult yes.... (in my opinion, but I'm no expert in encryption - my /home is encrypted, I've performed upgrades & used it, no data loss, but had issues once too)
[05:27] <superdreamkilla> i just installed lubuntu on an old macbook pro with a Radeon Mobility x1600 graphics card. I can't boot without disabling it with nomodeset. What should I do?
[05:27] <guiverc> ilias_gr: fyi: i've re-installed since encryption; had to add a package was the issue as I recall, then reboot
[05:32] <guiverc> superdreamkilla: this link contains a 'how to permanently set kernel boot options' to make nomodeset permanent..
[05:32] <guiverc> oops - forgot link .. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[05:34] <superdreamkilla> i've already done that, but the problem is the system is unusable and slow without a video driver
[05:37] <guiverc> superdreamkilla: i'm not skilled with graphics, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto provides some clues that may help... including lspci & lshw commands to detect your gpu etc..
[05:37] <Kon_> superdreamkilla, that GPU is from 2005. It may be extremely difficult to find a driver for it which will run even in 14.04
[05:37] <cfhowlett> this ...
[05:38] <superdreamkilla> the proprietary drivers are supposed to work up through 14.04.
[05:39] <superdreamkilla> ubuntu specifically says this card is supported by their open source radeon driver
[05:39] <Kon_> Just out of curiosity, which drivers are those? and version
[05:39] <Kon_> Could you link the page with that info?
[05:41] <superdreamkilla> the driver simply called radeon. one moment ill find the page
[05:42] <superdreamkilla> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[05:44] <Kon_> superdreamkilla, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: if you have Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with Linux kernel 4.4.0 (HWE stack Xenial), you can't install the proprietary fglrx/Catalyst driver.
[05:44] <Kon_> So that list of supported cards is irrelevant to you
[05:44] <Kon_> You need to find out if amdgpu supports it
[05:46] <Kon_> I guess the easy way to find out would be to install package xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu superdreamkilla
[05:53] <Kon_> superdreamkilla, your other option is to try installing 14.04.1 and trying the old proprietary driver again. But on 14.04.5, it's not supported
[05:54] <Aph3x-WL> can they not just use the xf86-video-ati driver? i'm pretty sure amdgpu only supports cards from the past couple of years
[05:54] <guiverc> superdreamkilla: if you installed the original 14.04 LTS (or 14.04.1 LTS) you get the 3.13 kernel which will use fglrx, if you use 14.04.2 LTS or later to install, they default to HWE kernel which is incompatible as the driver was depreciated.  when you upgrade either you get the same upgraded system, but the kernels used differ
[05:56] <Kon_> The other thing, is Lubuntu still getting updates for 14.04? I thought flavors only lasted 3 years
[05:58] <guiverc> Kon_: good point.  it's possible some packages still are, but they're past they're supported life (for 'universe' packages; you need to check on a per-package basis, as we're beyond 3 years)
[06:04] <superdreamkilla> im trying to run lubuntu 18.04
[06:05] <Kon_> On 18.04 there's no chance of your GPU being supported
[06:05] <Kon_> As said above, the old driver doesn't run on 16.04 or later
[06:05] <Kon_> Or 14.04.5, which is running the same kernel as 16.04
[06:05] <superdreamkilla> any reason? any alternative?
[06:06] <Kon_> Yes, as we both said, try Lubuntu 14.04.1
[06:06] <Kon_> But be aware that it's not still supported with updates
[06:06] <superdreamkilla> thats ridiculous
[06:06] <Kon_> Your GPU is approaching 14 years old
[06:06] <superdreamkilla> so?
[06:07] <guiverc> superdreamkilla: what was the default driver?  radeon  (`sudo lshw -C video`  where the driver= will tell you what you were using)
[06:07] <superdreamkilla> it's blank, because I have nomodeset
[06:08] <Kon_> You could try the Unity desktop version of 14.04.1 which is still getting updates until next April
[06:08] <Kon_> If you think the GPU can handle Unity
[06:08] <superdreamkilla> the gpu can handle lubuntu 18.04
[06:09] <superdreamkilla> lubuntu 18.04 cant handle it
[06:10] <superdreamkilla> i dont want an ugly resource hog log unity on an old unsupported version of linux which is probably broken in many others yet to be discover after I go through more tedious installs
[06:10] <Kon_> btw is this a 2006 Macbook Pro, by any chance?
[06:10] <superdreamkilla> yes
[06:11] <superdreamkilla> apple exiled it on snow leopard, which would have been fine if firefox didn't cut support too
[06:12] <superdreamkilla> windows xp even got more support
[06:13] <Kon_> Windows XP still has something like 4.5% global marketshare today. The Mobility X1600 has rather less
[06:14] <Kon_> We're trying to help you find a solution, but I'm just saying, when your GPU was released, Ubuntu was on its second ever release
[06:14] <superdreamkilla> i would use windows xp if firefox support wasnt cut on that now too
[06:16] <superdreamkilla> so there are no other possible drivers, and no tweaks to the ubuntu open source radeon driver to get it to work?
[06:19] <Kon_> "Mainline" Ubuntu 14.04.1 will get you updates, but running Unity on 2GB RAM might not be the best experience
[06:19] <cfhowlett> superdreamkilla, assuming you still have OSX installed, why not OSX + virtubalb0x + lubuntu?
[06:20] <Kon_> Lubuntu 14.04.1 will support your driver, but you won't get updates anymore. And I think he said he's switching off OSX due to lack of updates
[06:20] <Kon_> Apple is no longer supporting his machine
[06:20] <superdreamkilla> tried virtualbox, way too slow on an old computer
[06:22] <superdreamkilla> i had netbsd on virtualbox, even they've got a video driver that supports legacy
[06:30] <Kon_> superdreamkilla, do you have 18.04 installed and running currently?
[06:30] <Kon_> It seems xserver-xorg-video-radeon is still in the repos
[06:30] <superdreamkilla> yes
[06:31] <Kon_> Do you have that package installed?
[06:31] <superdreamkilla> how do I check?
[06:32] <Kon_> sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-radeon and it will grab it if you don't, or tell you if you do
[06:37] <superdreamkilla> yes it was installed
[06:37] <Kon_> You said you had nomodeset. What happens if you don't do that?
[06:45] <nikolam> This gparted is on drugs. While fdisk -l give this for SSD drive (one small partition, one Windows NTFS partition and one ZFS partition, gparted sees 2 zfs partitions, including non-existing "test" zfs pool instead, and no NTFS at all: https://bpaste.net/show/6b3a373b26c9 , https://mega.nz/#!0J1HESQD!ZN2vx6kd1NIWfHHI8_kvXn1v6tSliImah_tPPxbGJLU
[06:46] <nikolam> since gparted is GUI for parted, parted is on drugs, probably. When it's the party, don't blame the driver. :P
[06:47] <nikolam> uh , actually it shows ntfs partitoin, my mistake, but it shopws also non-existing ZFS pool
[06:48] <nikolam> Maybe parted-gparted is reading some old state of MBR?
[06:49] <nikolam> since there is no 'test' zfs pool available when running 'zpool import' by itself
[06:51] <nikolam> Also I failed to boot yesterday, after ntfs-config started scalpeling my /etc/fstab. Someohow instead of nice UUID= lines, I ended up with pointing to /dev/sdb instead (as second device in BTRFS RAID1), while creatin permanent lines for inserted NTFS drive in /etc/fstab.
[06:52] <nikolam> After removal of drive, system failed to boot. I needed to go single-user and manually edit /etc/fstab to point to proper UUID (/dev/sda1) device in RAID1 and remove nasty lines for missing ntfs drives
[06:52] <nikolam> needless to say I have doubts about using ntfs-config again.
[06:55] <superdreamkilla> if i boot without nomodeset, it hangs with the message "fb: switching to radeondrmfb from EFI VGA"
[07:12] <leosemilie> hello it looks like using pm-hibernate accepted with cryptswap but did not reboot into the session after powerdown is there any way to check the disk or the cryptswap of the session which accepted pm-hibernate?
[07:12] <leosemilie> I'd rather not have an old session sitting on disk.
[07:13] <leosemilie> After figuring that part out having pm-hibernate to work it'd be great.
[07:14] <skinnymg1> if I'm not mistaken, a reboot dumps previous sessions
[07:15] <skinnymg1> could be wrong though
[07:54] <Boyette> omg im in
[07:55] <Boyette> is there someone who can help me with my ubuntu 18 total failure problem?
[07:56] <Boyette> my ubuntu mate 18 doenst boot anymore.. i get stuck at blincking cursor black screen
[07:56] <Boyette> however i can access the terminal
[07:56] <guiverc> Boyette: ask your Ubuntu Support question, if someone can help you with your problem, they will.  Also be precise please, there is no Ubuntu 18 release, 18.04 = 2018.April release
[07:56] <EriC^^> Boyette: can you boot if you add "nomodeset" to the kernel line in grub?
[07:57] <Boyette> well it does boot actualy
[07:57] <Boyette> because i can access the terminal with CTRL - ALT F1
[07:57] <Boyette> but i cant get normal desktop
[07:57] <EriC^^> if you put nomodeset does it enter the normal desktop?
[07:57] <Boyette> can you help me how to do that?
[07:57] <Boyette> im actually not so experienced
[07:58] <Boyette> i was already happy to be able to access this irc now with some windows box
[07:58] <EriC^^> Boyette: hold shift to get grub when the pc restarts, then press "e" over ubuntu, go to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ....quiet splash and remove "quiet splash" and replace it with "nomodeset" then press F10 to boot
[07:58] <Boyette> im logged in now as root using the tty1
[08:02] <Boyette> ok done
[08:02] <Boyette> now i get login screen
[08:02] <Boyette> i use ubuntu mate but it shows the original screen
[08:02] <EriC^^> aha you didn't before?
[08:02] <Boyette> at least im in now
[08:02] <Boyette> with a very fucked up resolution
[08:03] <Boyette> and get error now
[08:03] <Boyette> executable path
[08:03] <Boyette> .
[08:03] <EriC^^> what error?
[08:03] <Boyette> "/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg"
[08:04] <Boyette> xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.6-1ubuntu4 package crash
[08:04] <Boyette> Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in InitOutput
[08:05] <EriC^^> Boyette: try an older kernel from grub, hold shift > advanced> choose an older kernel version
[08:05] <Boyette> but
[08:05] <Boyette> im on desktop
[08:05] <Boyette> its just as a message of internal error
[08:06] <Boyette> so maybe it can just be fixed from here?
[08:06] <EriC^^> i see, try an older kernel, maybe an update happened and that's why it started
[08:06] <Boyette> ok how do we do that sir?
[08:06] <EriC^^> restart hold shift > advanced > choose older kernel
[08:09] <Boyette> ok
[08:10] <Boyette> ok trying now
[08:11] <Boyette> just 1 option
[08:11] <Boyette> besides the actual kernel
[08:11] <Boyette> it performs the same
[08:11] <EriC^^> ok
[08:11] <Boyette> i see the mate environment pop up
[08:11] <Boyette> then when the login screen is supposed to appear
[08:11] <Boyette> the screen turns black and a blinking cursor appears
[08:11] <Boyette> only thing what i can do is to go to tty1
[08:11] <Boyette> or reboot
[08:12] <Boyette> and use ur quietsplash trick which gets around it
[08:12] <Boyette> so it seems somehow the login screen doesnt load
[08:12] <Boyette> but its not a kernel problem ?
[08:13] <EriC^^> doesnt seem so, maybe some graphics related packages got updated
[08:13] <EriC^^> Boyette: try from the tty1 "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:14] <Boyette> actually when i press the powerbutton
[08:14] <Boyette> the mate logo appears to shut it down
[08:14] <Boyette> its funny
[08:16] <EriC^^> what DM does it use? gdm? lightm?
[08:16] <Boyette> output for that:
[08:16] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/mxp6
[08:16] <Boyette> how do i determine that eric?
[08:20] <Boyette> if i type : echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[08:20] <Boyette> it just goes to the next line without telling me anything
[08:20] <Boyette> does that mean there is no DM ?
[08:21] <EriC^^> Boyette: no, try "dpkg -l | grep dm"
[08:21] <Boyette> now it gives a lot of info
[08:22] <EriC^^> or this "dpkg -l | awk '$2 ~ /dm$/ {print $2}'"
[08:22] <Boyette> LightDM is all over the place
[08:22] <EriC^^> try the 2nd command, and look at the first column if it says "ii" it means its installed
[08:23] <Boyette> yes now it says
[08:23] <Boyette> lightdm
[08:23] <Boyette> just in one line thats it
[08:24] <Boyette> a clear answer :)
[08:24] <EriC^^> Boyette: aha, try "sudo mv /var/log/Xorg.0.log{,.backup}"
[08:24] <EriC^^> actually nevermind, i wanted to see if that log was from the last try we made, but i think it is cause there's no nomodeset there
[08:25] <Boyette> if i do that
[08:25] <Boyette> it says mv: unkown destination after  /var/log/Xorg.0.log{,.backup}
[08:26] <EriC^^> nevermind :)
[08:26] <Boyette> ok
[08:26] <EriC^^> in the last lines here http://termbin.com/mxp6 it says the problem, some segmentation fault
[08:26] <Boyette> [    12.834] (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0
[08:27] <Boyette> yes i noticed
[08:27] <EriC^^> i dont know what we could do right now except for making a bug report on the xorg package
[08:27] <EriC^^> sorry :/
[08:27] <Boyette> cant we reinstall org or light dm
[08:27] <Boyette> or that has nothing to do with it?
[08:27] <Boyette> xorg i mean
[08:28] <EriC^^> i dont think it would matter
[08:28] <EriC^^> we could try, why not
[08:29] <EriC^^> try "dpkg -l | grep xorg | wc -l" just to see how many packages there are
[08:29] <Boyette> 20
[08:30] <EriC^^> ok, nothing too crazy
[08:30] <EriC^^> run "dpkg -l | awk '/xorg/ {print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall
[08:30] <EriC^^> "
[08:31] <EriC^^> also sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[08:32] <Boyette> done
[08:32] <Boyette> reboot?
[08:32] <EriC^^> Boyette: did you try the wayland session? maybe you could use it temporarily until they fix the xorg stuff?
[08:32] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:32] <Boyette> uhm.. dont know what that is all about :P
[08:32] <Boyette> but certainly im interested :)
[08:33] <EriC^^> :)
[08:33] <Boyette> still the same now
[08:33] <Boyette> boot to blinking cursor
[08:33] <EriC^^> if you go to the tty1 and login and type "DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm"
[08:33] <EriC^^> what happens?
[08:36] <Boyette> uhm
[08:37] <Boyette> lots of errors
[08:37] <Boyette> eventually she says: i give up
[08:37] <EriC^^> :D
[08:37] <Boyette> using system config directoy /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[08:38] <Boyette> xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (operation not permitted)
[08:38] <Boyette> thats what is the first thing what is causing the rest
[08:38] <Boyette> can we delete or reset that xorg.conf.d
[08:39] <EriC^^> Boyette: can you run "cat ~/.local/share/Xorg/Xorg.1.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:39] <EriC^^> that should have the log there
[08:40] <EriC^^> sorry it's cat ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:40] <Boyette> doesnt exist
[08:41] <Boyette> xorg.0
[08:41] <Boyette> does work
[08:41] <Boyette> xorg.1 doesnt
[08:41] <EriC^^> aha try with xorg.0
[08:42] <Boyette> done
[08:42] <EriC^^> link please?
[08:42] <Boyette> ah
[08:42] <Boyette> m6em
[08:42] <EriC^^> thanks
[08:42] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/m6em
[08:43] <EriC^^> same segfault
[08:44] <Boyette> indeed
[08:44] <Boyette> if this is a new log
[08:44] <EriC^^> i wonder what packages it updated so the error started, can you take a look at "less /var/log/apt/history.log" at what it installed prior to restarting and the problem started
[08:44] <EriC^^> yup it is, the time stamp is newer
[08:45] <Boyette> ah ok
[08:45] <Boyette> well this is a big file
[08:45] <EriC^^> so i guess it's an xorg problem, older kernel doesnt work, and it's not lightdm related
[08:45] <Boyette> is there any way i can also send that to termbin?
[08:46] <EriC^^> Boyette: press "g" to go down to the very bottom and scroll up a little til you see the update
[08:46] <EriC^^> sure, but it contains info like packages you've installed manually and stuff
[08:46] <Boyette> i see
[08:46] <Boyette> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau:amd64
[08:46] <Boyette> that seems to be related
[08:47] <leosemilie> hello it looks like using pm-hibernate accepted with cryptswap but did not reboot into the session after powerdown is there any way to check the disk or the cryptswap of the session which accepted pm-hibernate?
[08:47] <EriC^^> i dont think so, i think that's the nvidia driver
[08:47] <EriC^^> anything else it updated?
[08:47] <Boyette> i dont have nvidia
[08:47] <Boyette> i have AMD APU
[08:47] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:47] <Boyette> RADEON
[08:47] <Boyette> can you tell me how to send publish this log
[08:47] <Boyette> so you can maybe review
[08:48] <EriC^^> Boyette: cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:48] <Boyette> how do i get out :P
[08:48] <Boyette> ah
[08:48] <Boyette> found it
[08:49] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/424f
[08:51] <Boyette> when i started to remove the mesa drivers the problem already occured
[08:51] <Boyette> because i was thinking it had something to do with that
[08:52] <EriC^^> Boyette: do you have any ppa's installed?
[08:53] <Boyette> for sure
[08:53] <EriC^^> might be the problem i think
[08:53] <EriC^^> try to purge the graphics/mesa related stuff
[08:53] <Boyette> can we fix that?
[08:53] <Boyette> i already tried that
[08:53] <Boyette> but we can try again
[08:54] <EriC^^> tomreyn: you there? what was the link to the foreign packages script you made again? thanks
[08:55] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and "tail -v -n+1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:56] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/5m8p
[08:56] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/cww9h
[08:57] <EriC^^> Boyette: lets start with removing this "eb http://ppa.launchpad.net/samoilov-lex/aftl-stable/ubuntu artful main"
[08:58] <Boyette> ok how do we do that
[08:58] <EriC^^> purge it, then add it again using the bionic ppa if you want
[08:58] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[08:58] <Boyette> done
[08:59] <Boyette> ppa purge and then i type?
[08:59] <EriC^^> Boyette: sudo ppa-purge ppa:samoilov-lex/aftl-stable
[09:00] <EriC^^> give that a shot
[09:00] <EriC^^> ah wait
[09:00] <EriC^^> nevermind, continue ;)
[09:01] <Boyette> updated package lists
[09:01] <Boyette> but also gives error about ubuntu-x-swat
[09:01] <Boyette> not having a release file
[09:01] <Boyette> apt-get update failed for some reason
[09:03] <EriC^^> hmm no problem
[09:03] <EriC^^> Boyette: i think this is the ppa we need to work on "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu bionic main"
[09:03] <EriC^^> try "sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers"
[09:04] <Boyette> well
[09:04] <Boyette> same
[09:04] <Boyette> updating packages lists
[09:04] <Boyette> then giveing the ubuntu x swat ppa has no release file
[09:04] <Boyette> apt get update failed for some reason
[09:04] <EriC^^> Boyette: it doesn't say "ppa to be removed ...oibaf" ?
[09:04] <Boyette> no
[09:05] <EriC^^> Boyette: try "sudo ppa-purge http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu bionic main"
[09:06] <Boyette> still the same
[09:07] <EriC^^> Boyette: what about "sudo ppa-purge -p graphics-drivers -d oibaf" ?
[09:08] <Boyette> required ppa -name argument was not specified
[09:08] <EriC^^> Boyette: could you run "sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:08] <lotus|NUC> EriC^^ Boyette on bionic you can do this now: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-list-and-remove-ppa-repository-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[09:09] <EriC^^> lotus|NUC: remove aka purge using ppa-purge or just remoe?
[09:09] <EriC^^> *remove
[09:09] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/j7fxp
[09:11] <lotus|NUC> EriC^^: thin it will do the same as ppapurge
[09:11] <EriC^^> lotus|NUC: it doesn't, it's just a normal removal of ppa
[09:12] <Boyette> so its removed then
[09:15] <EriC^^> Boyette: nah, type "wget -O /tmp/ppa-tool.sh https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ericj112/ppa-tool/master/ppa-tool.sh"
[09:15] <EriC^^> Boyette: then type "sudo /tmp/ppa-tool.sh -r"
[09:16] <Boyette> ok
[09:17] <Boyette> bad request why
[09:17] <Boyette> connection refused
[09:18] <Boyette> error 400 bad request
[09:18] <EriC^^> Boyette: this ppa is very old, it doesn't have the bionic at all btw, http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/ppa/ubuntu/
[09:19] <EriC^^> try again i think github had an issue
[09:19] <EriC^^> seems to be working now
[09:20] <Boyette> still 400 bad request
[09:20] <EriC^^> odd, try "wget -O /tmp/ppa-tool.sh http://termbin.com/fxjb"
[09:20] <EriC^^> Boyette: then "sudo /tmp/ppa-tool.sh -r"
[09:21] <Boyette> that worked
[09:21] <Boyette> command not found
[09:22] <EriC^^> Boyette: ah sorry, type "chmod +x /tmp/ppa-tool.sh"
[09:22] <EriC^^> then run the sudo command
[09:22] <Boyette> done
[09:23] <EriC^^> ok choose the number of the oibraf ppa to remove it
[09:23] <Boyette> ok moment
[09:23] <Boyette> oibaf removed
[09:23] <Boyette> disabling ppa successful
[09:23] <EriC^^> great
[09:23] <Boyette> how about smoilov lex
[09:24] <EriC^^> Boyette: now run it again, this time remove the ubuntu-x-swat "ppa" not the updates one
[09:24] <EriC^^> there are 2 ubuntu-x-swat , ppa and updates, ppa is old updates is still good
[09:24] <Boyette> xswat ppa
[09:24] <Boyette> hmm
[09:25] <Boyette> ppa list file doesnt exit try apt-get update first
[09:25] <EriC^^> Boyette: right, also remove the samoilov-lex, but also there's 2 of them, one is ubuntu artful one is bionic
[09:25] <EriC^^> i'm confused, did it show it in the list?
[09:26] <Boyette> xswat is showing in the list
[09:26] <Boyette> but still giving the error
[09:26] <Boyette> also samoilov i only see aftl-stable/ubuntu bionic main
[09:26] <Boyette> but also giving the error
[09:26] <Boyette> ERROR: Ppa list file doesnt' exist , try apt-get update first
[09:26] <EriC^^> which xswat is showing?
[09:27] <Boyette> both
[09:27] <Boyette> number 9 and 10
[09:27] <Boyette> ppa/
[09:27] <Boyette> update/
[09:27] <Boyette> but cant be removed
[09:27] <Boyette> also if i call the list again its still there
[09:27] <EriC^^> ah that makes sense, the program uses the list file to make the ppa name to give to ppa-purge
[09:28] <EriC^^> and cause there's no release file it's not making any list file
[09:28] <EriC^^> Boyette: we'll have to manually pass it to ppa-purge, 1 moment
[09:30] <Boyette> ok
[09:37] <EriC^^> Boyette: try "sudo ppa-purge -p ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-x-swat_ppa_ubuntu -o dists_bionic -s main"
[09:37] <Boyette> k
[09:37] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[09:37] <EriC^^> typo
[09:37] <EriC^^> nevermind, continue :)
[09:38] <Boyette> executed
[09:38] <Boyette> with same output again
[09:38] <Boyette> updating package lists
[09:38] <Boyette> warning apt get update failed blablabla
[09:38] <EriC^^> ah
[09:39] <EriC^^> nevermind then, try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then try rebooting to see if it'll log in
[09:41] <Boyette> ok
[09:41] <Boyette> i think it wont
[09:41] <Boyette> because actually it didnt update or change anything
[09:42] <EriC^^> why not
[09:42] <Boyette> it was all up to date
[09:42] <EriC^^> we removed the oibraf graphics drivers ppa
[09:42] <Boyette> yes still booting with black screen blinking cursor
[09:42] <Boyette> the ppa was removed
[09:42] <Boyette> but there were no drivers in use of that probably
[09:42] <Boyette> so that wont change anything
[09:43] <EriC^^> Boyette: 90% of the packages updated before it broke had "oibraf" in their version naming :)
[09:43] <Boyette> hmm
[09:43] <Boyette> i dont know
[09:43] <Boyette> really
[09:43] <Boyette> but it didnt update anything
[09:43] <Boyette> i dont know why
[09:43] <kristenbb> hello, when I select two video files and open them through the Files manager, it opens two files, even though I have /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file %U in /usr/share/applications/vlc.desktop. Is this a known bug in 18.04 ? (it worked in 16.04)
[09:44] <EriC^^> Boyette: what does "dpkg -l | grep oibaf | nc termbin.com 9999" give? just to see if any are still there
[09:44] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/2t25
[09:45] <Boyette> yes they are there
[09:45] <Boyette> shit ur right
[09:45] <Boyette> but how do we remove that
[09:46] <EriC^^> Boyette: ppa-purge supposedly should have reverted back to repo packages, hmm
[09:46] <Boyette> but it didnt or the system think its a newer version so it wont go back ?
[09:47] <EriC^^> nah it should be able to go back
[09:47] <Boyette> hmm
[09:47] <Boyette> but why then
[09:47] <Boyette> it doesnt
[09:47] <EriC^^> type "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu"
[09:47] <Boyette> k
[09:47] <EriC^^> let's see exactly from which ppa it was installed and stuff
[09:48] <Boyette> installed: 18.0.99+git1809071934.ca5eb9~oibaf~b
[09:48] <Boyette> candidate: 18.0.99+git1809071934.ca5eb9~oibaf~b
[09:49] <Boyette> versiontable: 18.0.99+git1809071934.ca5eb9~oibaf~b 100
[09:49] <Boyette> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[09:49] <Boyette> 18.0.1-1 500
[09:49] <Boyette> 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 packages
[09:50] <Boyette> that was a lot of typing
[09:51] <EriC^^> Boyette: for the future you can use  "| nc termbin.com 9999" after any command to send the output to the pastebin
[09:52] <Boyette> lol
[09:52] <Boyette> yes i was thinking about that :)
[09:52] <EriC^^> i think the ppa is still there, cause it says candidate that i dunno
[09:52] <EriC^^> :D
[09:52] <Boyette> i think so too
[09:52] <Boyette> but why
[09:52] <Boyette> :P
[09:52] <EriC^^> Boyette: indeed :D
[09:54] <Boyette> this xserver-xorg is really the cause for sure
[09:54] <Boyette> you found it
[09:54] <Boyette> only how do we reverse it
[09:55] <EriC^^> Boyette: let's see if the ppa is still there in the list, and see if we can give ppa-purge a new shot or something
[09:55] <EriC^^> or maybe we missed a ppa or something
[09:56] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "tail -v -n+1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:57] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/cf9io
[09:57] <EriC^^> Boyette: the xserver-nouveau one is still there, and it just recently got updated, so it makes me think that the packages arent left over from an older graphics ppa or something
[09:58] <EriC^^> Boyette: it looks commented out in the sources
[09:58] <EriC^^> i guess ppa-purge didnt revert stuff that well
[09:58] <EriC^^> maybe we give it another shot?
[09:58] <Boyette> hmm
[09:58] <Boyette> sure!
[09:59] <EriC^^> try "sudo sed -i 's/#deb/deb/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oibaf-ubuntu-graphics-drivers-bionic.list"
[09:59] <EriC^^> Boyette: then sudo apt-get update
[09:59] <EriC^^> actually lets also remove temporarily the xswat and other ppa so apt-get doesnt whine about the updating process
[10:00] <Boyette> sure
[10:00] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "sudo sed -i 's/^deb/#deb/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-x-swat-ubuntu-ppa-bionic.list
[10:01] <EriC^^> "
[10:01] <EriC^^> then try "sudo apt-get update" again and see how it goes
[10:02] <Boyette> k
[10:03] <Boyette> first command executed
[10:03] <Boyette> update doesnt change anything
[10:03] <Boyette> finished without making any changes
[10:04] <EriC^^> Boyette: you ran both "sudo sed commands" ?
[10:04] <Boyette> shit
[10:04] <Boyette> sorry
[10:04] <Boyette> missed the first
[10:04] <Boyette> it fell of my screen
[10:05] <Boyette> but
[10:05] <Boyette> now  i did both
[10:05] <Boyette> and still the same
[10:05] <Boyette> no changes
[10:06] <EriC^^> Boyette: did you run apt-get update?
[10:06] <EriC^^> what do you mean no changes?
[10:09] <Boyette> yes apt-get update
[10:09] <Boyette> its just reading package lists
[10:09] <Boyette> then its ready
[10:09] <Boyette> finished
[10:11] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/t064
[10:11] <oznt> hi guys, I am having trouble blocking traffic to docker containers using UFW. I have tried this solution https://svenv.nl/unixandlinux/dockerufw/, but I am still seeing attempts to login on my server. Can someone offer an advice?
[10:14] <mtc> regarding audacity, where is the plugin folder in the version for ubuntu 18.04 ?  I am having trouble adding a new plugin, by adding it to the plugin folder
[10:14] <EriC^^> Boyette: sorry i got d/c, so you ran update, did it still complain about xswat?
[10:14] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/bcbf3
[10:14] <Boyette> its not complaining
[10:15] <Boyette> but not changing anything either aswell
[10:15] <EriC^^> i notice oibaf isnt in there
[10:15] <lotus|NUC> mtc: the #audacity channel might know that perhaps
[10:15] <mtc> lotus|NUC: thanks but pretty quiet in there right now..
[10:15] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oibaf-ubuntu-graphics-drivers-bionic.list | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:16] <lotus|NUC> mtc: what about 'whereis audacity' from terminal?
[10:16] <mtc> lotus|NUC: ubuntu 1804 installs audacity as a snap (!?)
[10:16] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/jspd
[10:16] <mtc> lotus|NUC: audacity: /snap/bin/audacity
[10:17] <lotus|NUC> mtc: ah you installed the snap one, not the one from apt
[10:17] <mtc> lotus|NUC: oh okay, I will just uninstall it and reinstall it from apt
[10:18] <EriC^^> Boyette: yup it's commented out
[10:18] <lotus|NUC> mtc: check also your /home folder for hidden folders
[10:18] <Boyette> so we need to delete this oibaf shit?
[10:18] <lotus|NUC> oznt: perhaps #ubuntu-server or #netfilter might suit you better mate
[10:19] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "sudo sed -i 's/#deb/deb/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oibaf-ubuntu-graphics-drivers-bionic.list"
[10:20] <Boyette> done
[10:20] <Boyette> i added termbin but it didnt come back
[10:20] <Boyette> just empty execution
[10:22] <mtc> lotus|NUC: it is working as expected now... thank you for your help
[10:23] <lotus|NUC> mtc: welcome
[10:23] <EriC^^> Boyette: that's normal
[10:23] <Boyette> k
[10:23] <EriC^^> Boyette: try again "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oibaf-ubuntu-graphics-drivers-bionic.list | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:24] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/yjg9t
[10:25] <EriC^^> Boyette: great, now run "sudo apt-get update"
[10:26] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/acfc
[10:26] <Boyette> i think the problem is like this:
[10:26] <Boyette> https://askubuntu.com/questions/914487/is-it-possible-to-downgrade-ppa-for-a-few-days
[10:28] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/pmd0o
[10:29] <EriC^^> Boyette: ok, try now "wget -O /tmp/ppa-tool.sh http://termbin.com/fxjb"
[10:30] <EriC^^> Boyette: then "chmod +x /tmp/ppa-tool.sh"
[10:30] <Boyette> done
[10:32] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "sudo /tmp/ppa-tool.sh -r | tee /tmp/ppalog"
[10:32] <EriC^^> then remove the oibaf ppa
[10:32] <EriC^^> actually 1 sec
[10:32] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "sudo /tmp/ppa-tool.sh -r |& tee /tmp/ppalog"
[10:32] <tolland> I installed zabbix-server-mysql from the deb from the vendor, and when I installed it on an ubuntu18 box, some files were missing under the /usr/share/doc in particular /usr/share/doc/zabbix-server-mysql/create.sql.gz
[10:33] <tolland> I download and untarred the deb, and the file is there alright
[10:33] <Boyette> gives a list
[10:33] <ppf> i want to stream sound output between two devices
[10:33] <ppf> what are my options?
[10:34] <lotus|NUC> tolland: ask the maintainer please
[10:35] <lotus|NUC> tolland: this also looks usefull: https://computingforgeeks.com/install-zabbix-server-ubuntu-18-04/
[10:36] <EriC^^> Boyette: type "cat /tmp/ppalog | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:36] <lotus|NUC> !info paprefs | ppf
[10:36] <Boyette> wait
[10:36] <Boyette> line 105: integer expression expected
[10:37] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/cxgs
[10:37] <ppf> lotus|NUC: elaborate?
[10:38] <lotus|NUC> ppf: https://askubuntu.com/questions/78174/play-sound-through-two-or-more-outputs-devices
[10:39] <ppf> lotus|NUC: okay. how do i do this without a gui? :)
[10:39] <lotus|NUC> ppf: try papref, see if it has a manpage perhaps
[10:40] <ppf> lotus|NUC: that's just a config ui for pa
[10:40] <lotus|NUC> ppf: right, then im out of ideas, cause you need to actually split settings from pulse
[10:41] <EriC^> Boyette: sorry dc again
[10:41] <Boyette> ok
[10:41] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/cxgs
[10:41] <EriC^> thanks
[10:41] <ppf> lotus|NUC: split settings?
[10:41] <EriC^> Boyette: i meant to remove the oibraf one
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:42] <EriC^> Boyette: run it again, and choose to remove the oibaf one and leave the terminal open to see what ppa-purge did and stuff
[10:43] <Boyette> yes
[10:43] <Boyette> now it removed a lot
[10:43] <Boyette> or
[10:43] <Boyette> wait
[10:44] <Boyette> showing mesa-common-dev is already the newest version
[10:44] <Boyette> and all xserver-xorg is already the newest version
[10:44] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/9pzjo
[10:45] <Boyette> all are set now to manually installed
[10:45] <EriC^> Boyette: can you pastebin the output of ppa-tool.sh -r > oibaf removal?
[10:46] <EriC^> select the stuff in the terminal then press ctrl+shift+c to copy then paste usual in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:47] <Boyette> how can i select that
[10:48] <Boyette> was that not loggee
[10:48] <EriC^> Boyette: in the terminal left click and drag it over the text
[10:48] <Boyette> i dont have a mouse
[10:48] <Boyette> now
[10:48] <Boyette> im in tty1
[10:48] <EriC^> ah right
[10:49] <Boyette> was that not logged
[10:49] <Boyette> cant i upload the log file?
[10:49] <EriC^> the log file just had the last run
[10:49] <EriC^> it doesnt mention oibaf at all
[10:49] <Boyette> what about tmp/ppalog
[10:50] <EriC^> Boyette: anyways, maybe we got lucky, does "dpkg -l | grep oibaf" give anything this time?
[10:50] <EriC^> Boyette: that's the log file i menat
[10:50] <EriC^> *meant
[10:50] <Boyette> let me check
[10:50] <Boyette> yes
[10:50] <Boyette> still a big list
[10:51] <Boyette> http://termbin.com/ixlr
[10:53] <EriC^> hmm ok last time
[10:53] <EriC^> type "sudo sed -i 's/#deb/deb/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oibaf-ubuntu-graphics-drivers-bionic.list"
[10:53] <EriC^> then "sudo apt-get update"
[10:54] <EriC^> then "sudo /tmp/ppa-tool.sh -r |& tee -a /tmp/ppatool"
[10:54] <EriC^> Boyette: actually 1 second
[10:54] <EriC^> after you run "apt-get update" please let me know to give a command
[11:03] <EriC^> Boyette: ?
[11:04] <Boyette> sorry
[11:04] <Boyette> im here
[11:05] <Boyette> done
[11:05] <Boyette> command
[11:19] <gpunk> hi is bumblebee broken ? it doesnt work for me
[11:21] <gpunk> primus: fatal: failed to load any of the libraries: /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.1:/usr/lib32/nvidia-current/libGL.so.1
[11:22] <ppf> can i select PA sinks per application?
[11:23] <ppf> can an application select its own sink?
[11:23] <JimBuntu> "PA sinks" ?
[11:23] <ppf> pulseaudio
[11:24] <JimBuntu> Depends on the application
[11:24] <ppf> how
[11:24] <JimBuntu> It's up to the developer to enable such customization
[11:24] <yannf> hi
[11:24] <ppf> for the sake of argument, i'm the developer
[11:25] <JimBuntu> ppf,  Then, yes, you can allow the end user to select from all available inputs
[11:25] <yannf> yesterday,  I came for help for UEFI
[11:25] <ppf> JimBuntu: how
[11:26] <JimBuntu> ppf, That is way outside the scope of this channel, but I can give you an example to check out... Simple Screen Recorder
[11:26] <yannf> I got my laptop installed, but I have a network issue now
[11:28] <yannf> log says the problem comes from rfkill
[11:28] <yannf> but rfkill is not installed
[11:29] <ppf> JimBuntu: but i can only select a PA server, not a sink
[11:29] <JimBuntu> You can select either, if they are available.
[11:29] <yannf> lshw says the network is "DISABLED"
[11:30] <yannf> it is Atheros card using module ath9k
[11:31] <ppf> JimBuntu: right!
[11:31] <yannf> what should I do now?
[11:32] <yannf> (posting from my phone)
[11:41] <Hanumaan> upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 is not working properly see the error : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vzw56NrYfB/
[11:47] <billythekido7> Hello. I'm trying to extend the Logical Volume Group to use the free entire disk. I have some space left since I moved /boot in the encrypted /.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hanumaan, sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:48] <billythekido7> every guide I read, insists on recreating the /dev/sda2 with fdisk but starting it where it used to.
[11:48] <billythekido7> since the "free space" is at the beginning of the disk, I can't do that. Anyone can help out?
[11:50] <billythekido7> Example guide: http://ryandoyle.net/posts/expanding-a-lvm-partition-to-fill-remaining-drive-space/
[11:53] <yannf> hello, any idea about my problem?
[11:59] <gpunk> bumblebee doesnt work for mz
[11:59] <gpunk> any help?
[12:01] <gpunk> Sep  9 14:00:45 laptoptwo bumblebeed[6025]: [ 1820.328607] [ERROR][XORG] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Device or resource busy
[12:19] <ppf> i've tried to use a remote PA sink to stream audio between devices, but there is basicly a single sound frame and then silence
[12:19] <ppf> any suggestions?
[12:26] <ule> guiverc: It doesn't show up the secondary monitor on my settings
[12:26] <ule> Basically, after Ubuntu 18.04, my external monitor just doesn't work
[12:26] <ule> Looks to be related with the GDM3 or Lighdm
[12:27] <ule> I tried switching them but still doesn't work
[12:27] <ule> ANyone had the same issue? External monitor died on Ubuntu 18.04?
[12:29] <deskwizard> Howdy!
[12:32] <deskwizard> I was wondering if any of you might give me a little hand here, long story short, X11 is totally ignoring my calibration configuration file ... anything obvious I'm missing ? Here's the config file https://gist.github.com/deskwizard/864ba26fbc720fcba4f100b92ddf3374
[12:33] <deskwizard> (calibration for the touchscreen that is)
[12:37] <ioria> deskwizard, if you move it in  /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
[12:39] <deskwizard> ioria: let me give that a try
[12:44] <skinux> ALT+arrow keys keep switching between shells and DE. What can I do about this?
[12:45] <deskwizard> ioria: no cigar
[12:46] <ioria> deskwizard, what has generated 99- calibration ? xinput-calibrator ?
[12:47] <deskwizard> ioria: yes the content was generated with xinput-calibrator indeed
[12:48] <ioria> deskwizard, did you rebooted ? (you're not using wayland, right ?)
[12:51] <deskwizard> ioria: nah not wayland. and yes I'm rebooting between each try just to make sure
[12:52] <ioria> deskwizard, no idea then; check some logs (gdm, Xorg.0.log, rtc etc)
[12:52] <deskwizard> ioria: alright, I'll go through them again, thanks!
[12:52] <ioria> np
[12:54] <Hanumaan> BluesKaj: says no new release found and when I login via ssh it shows as "Welcome to Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.15.0-33-generic x86_64)"
[13:04] <deskwizard> ioria: seems like the cal config file isn't the only one not working, at least that gives me a starting point
[13:06] <de-facto> Having serious trouble with chromium-browser: have not changed anything, when i try to start it it just silently crashes: https://pastebin.com/0TZVDzP6
[13:06] <de-facto> Any ideas how to find out why?
[13:07] <deskwizard> nvm... hehe
[13:12] <skinux> What is the tool for setting keyboard hotkeys?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hanumaan, make sure you have the LTS flag enabled in your package manager, and if that doesn't work run sudo do-release-upgrade -d...seems your sources.list could be out of date
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hanumaan, or you may already have it installed
[13:20] <yannf> NVM got it
[13:21] <kristenbb> hello, when I select two video files and open them through the Files manager, it opens two vlc instances, even though I have /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file %U in /usr/share/applications/vlc.desktop. Is this a known bug in 18.04 ? (it worked in 16.04)
[13:22] <ausjke> is there a config for me to stop ubuntu to send out any egress packets at idle? including ntp packets
[13:22] <ausjke> for some clean testing purposes, my tcpdump capture is always mixed with ubuntu's own heartbeat packets of some sort
[13:23] <ausjke> i closed all browsers, and run a curl http get, but my tcpdump is filled with ubuntu's own traffice in the background
[13:23] <ausjke> s/traffice/traffic/
[14:02] <deskwizard> ioria: figured it out, I had to edit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf and set the driver for the touchscreen to evdev instead of xinput, re-did the cal and all is well, thanks again
[14:03] <luda420> Hey. I'm running ubuntu 18.04, and my audio isn't working. I've been using 18.04 for at least 3 months, but I hadn't faced the issue until the last week.
[14:06] <luda420> Force reloading alsa works, but I have to do it everytime I turn my laptop on.
[14:12] <arcvdn> Hello, I have an issue related to my ssd overheating when using ubuntu. I installed ubuntu to my hdd but it seems like my whenever im in ubuntu my ssd is also being used. I think this may have something to do with the bootloader being installed there? Is there anyway I can move it to the hdd so that the ssd is not used at all when I use ubuntu?
[14:16] <arcvdn> anyone?
[14:16] <juh> Hi there, i need a help. i am trying to install something using apt-get
[14:16] <juh> https://pastebin.com/nzwaU4NM
[14:17] <juh> but im not able to install. pasted the error above
[14:17] <blackflow> arcvdn: how do you know it's overheating? that doesn't sound right. If there's no activity on it, the only heat comes from it being powered on, in which case there could be a hardware issue.
[14:19] <blackflow> juh: did you actually read that output? the packages are already installed. and there's pending updates for the kernel, you need dist-upgrade or do as the message instructed with apt-get -f install
[14:19] <blackflow> juh: Ideally don't use apt-get but apt.
[14:20] <juh> blackflow: we did apt-get -f install, but we still got the same error
[14:20] <arcvdn> blackflow: thanks for replying! I opened the disks app and its shows the disk is currently running at 149F, while the HDD is running at 117F. I installed Ubuntu on the HDD so I'm not even sure why the SSD is being used at all :(
[14:21] <blackflow> arcvdn: _used_ or just powered on (because it's connected to power) and detected and listed?
[14:21] <blackflow> so again, if there's no activity on it and it's overheating, there's a hardware issue with it.
[14:21] <arcvdn> blackflow: I'm not sure, is there a way I can check its activity?
[14:22] <blackflow> or maybe it's in an unfortunate location in the chassis and it's being additionally warmed up by the cpu?
[14:22] <arcvdn> that could be it too
[14:23] <blackflow> arcvdn: pastebin the output of    iostat | grep -P "^sd"    please
[14:23] <arcvdn> the thing is last night it peaked at 198F so I'm not sure if it could be the CPU overheating it
[14:23] <blackflow> could be wrong/faulty temp sensor too
[14:24] <blackflow> 198F is way excessive, and only possible if the sensor is faulty, or there's some serious trouble with the SSD and it's overheating like that
[14:24] <arcvdn> this is the output I get:
[14:24] <blackflow> juh: try dist-upgrade    or with apt,    apt upgrade
[14:24] <arcvdn> sda               0.55         5.34         0.00      14909          1
[14:24] <arcvdn> sdb              13.16       327.93       209.99     915673     586332
[14:24] <blackflow> !paste | arcvdn
[14:24] <blackflow> arcvdn: so which one is ssd? I'm guessing sda
[14:24] <arcvdn> yes
[14:25] <blackflow> right so no activity there
[14:25] <arcvdn> so it's a hardware issue then?
[14:26] <blackflow> arcvdn: you can do iostat 10   and observe stats per 10 second intervals. actually grep's not needed.    iostat sda sdb 10    will show activity per 10s intervals for sda and sdb
[14:26] <blackflow> arcvdn: yes, either faulty sensor, wrong readings by whatever kernel module is reading that, or indeed faulty drive...    install smartmontools and run    smartctl -a /dev/sda    and pastebin that please
[14:27] <blackflow> mind the above message about pasting
[14:27] <arcvdn> sorry im new to this, how would I pastebin that?
[14:28] <blackflow> arcvdn: for example like this       smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:28] <blackflow> arcvdn: that will output to termbin.com and you'll get an URL in return. paste the URL here please.
[14:28] <blackflow> !pastebinit | there are also dedicated tools:
[14:32] <arcvdn> blackflow: here it is- http://termbin.com/c1w6
[14:33] <blackflow> arcvdn: huh, it seems those temps are right. so either hardware failure in it, or it's being heated up by surroundings. you say that's a laptop? sounds plausible.
[14:34] <blackflow> arcvdn: how about the other one? same command but for sdb
[14:35] <arcvdn> blackflow: http://termbin.com/aky0
[14:36] <arcvdn> funnily the hdd peaked at a lower temperature than the ssd
[14:36] <kumool> apparmor fails to start, should I be worried?
[14:37] <kumool> never heard of this service before, which is why i'm asking
[14:38] <ledeni> arcvdn:  1) sudo apt install hddtemp & 2) sudo watch hddtemp /dev/sda ---> watch temperature every 2 sec
[14:38] <rudolpg-r> I've seen Apparmor complain before, but I have no true idea what it is. I think its kinda like SELinux for sandboxing apps?
[14:38] <blackflow> arcvdn: that's a bit on the warmer side, but I suppose not impossible for a laptop. so that ssd, I'd bet it's faulty.  sorry, can't help you more, I have to flee. good luck!
[14:39] <arcvdn> blackflow: thanks for your help, I'll try to figure something out :)
[14:41] <kumool> rudolpg-r, alright
[14:42] <rudolpg-r> I have a really dumb question if anyone has a minute and needs a laugh. I'm an administrator for a college's CS Department network and trying to implement a way for students to communicate with each other, and with the admins seamlessly and quickly... So naturally I thought about making a local only IRC network.. However I can't seem to get it to do ANY of what I want it to do, and I've tried both ircd and inspircd. Is there a bette
[14:42] <rudolpg-r> am I just that dumb?
[14:42] <kumool> another problem i've found is that bitlbee autostarts in port 6667 which is the default, even though I've configured it (in its configuration file) to autostart in 6668
[14:43] <kumool> rudolpg-r, I just installed ngircd and it just works
[14:43] <kumool> if its a problem with configuring it and so on
[14:43] <rudolpg-r> kumool, can I set a default channel, and disable nick changing with that? That's the main functionality I'm missing. I want users to be forced to use their LDAP names, and to be dropped into a support channel at join
[14:46] <kumool> rudolpg-r, you can set a persistent channel, but I don't think you can do any of the other stuff
[14:46] <kumool> I do remember configuring inspircd to be a pain which is why i suggested
[14:47] <rudolpg-r> I will give ngircd a chance- so far there's only a few students using it because we're still 'testing' it
[14:47] <rudolpg-r> Thank you kumool :)
[14:55] <dreamon> Hello. having 2 monitors and I want to know the working area of each one. this mean each height without upper and lower toolbars I have in xubuntu
[15:02] <ikonia> dreamon: do you mean you want to know the resolution ?
[15:03] <kitsunenokenja> (server 18.04LTS) I'm working on removing an old PPA and it's gone, but I got a few pkgs installed that I want to replace with the ones provided by bionic. I can't simply remove them, I need to overwrite the installation. -t lets me pick bionic explicitly, but how can I tell apt to overwrite the currently installed version?
[15:04] <dreamon> ikonia, no xrandr | grep connected shows me resolution. I want to now workingarea thats the area in pixel a window would use if its been maximized. but for each monitor I want to know
[15:05] <ikonia> dreamon: if you maximise a window - it's the size / resolution of the monitor
[15:05] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: you need o remove them
[15:05] <ikonia> "to" remove them
[15:06] <kitsunenokenja> I will probably break this server if I try that, that's the problem. one of the pkgs is openssl
[15:06] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: why will you break the server removing them
[15:07] <ikonia> what are the packages ?
[15:07] <kitsunenokenja> worst case is I wait for bionic to provide a newer version and it will naturally flush out these PPA-provided versions
[15:07] <de-facto> Can I install chromium-browser and google chrome alongside on the same machine or do they share common config/files and collide therefore?
[15:07] <dreamon> ikonia, no, cause I have two toolbars in xubuntu upper and lower. so I have to subtract. But this toolbars are different from pc to pc. therefore I want to know this area.
[15:07] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: it may not do that if the packages do not have conflicting names
[15:07] <kitsunenokenja> libgd3 libjbig0 libpcre3 libsodium23 libssl1.1 openssl
[15:07] <kitsunenokenja> the names should align
[15:07] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: wow - you upgraded SSL !
[15:07] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: that's a bad bad move
[15:08] <kitsunenokenja> probably wasn't me, someone else services this thing
[15:08] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: what does the apt-policy for those packages show ?
[15:08] <ikonia> (libssl1.1 isn't a package)
[15:09] <kitsunenokenja> sorry, how do I check that, that's not a part of ubuntu/debian I've learned yet :^)
[15:09] <dreamon> ikonia, wmctrl -d shows me this "WE (workarea) but not for each monitor.
[15:09] <ikonia> apt-cache policy
[15:09] <ikonia> dreamon: no idea, never been asked or had to work out the pixel area of the tool bars
[15:10] <kitsunenokenja> everything here looks like stock priority settings from bionic, no pinned packages or manual overrides
[15:10] <nomic> i amend .bashrc to add a line on then i start getting this message -bash: /home/user/.profile: line 28: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[15:10] <nomic> dunno why
[15:10] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: what do you mean "looks stock"
[15:10] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: if they are coming from a PPA they are not "stock"
[15:10] <kitsunenokenja> whatever the .deb's normally put into /etc/apt from bionic, no manual intervention is what I'm saying
[15:11] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja: I didn't ask what was in /etc/apt
[15:11] <kitsunenokenja> I removed the source for the PPA already. Oh.
[15:11] <ikonia> I asked what the policy was
[15:11] <ikonia> nomic: the changes you make have a syntax error in them
[15:11] <kitsunenokenja> here's my output then, https://ptpb.pw/wOE-
[15:12] <nomic> yeah but the change is in .bashrc
[15:12] <nomic> its saying '.profile'
[15:12] <ikonia> kitsunenokenja:for the packages in question
[15:12] <kitsunenokenja> ah, policy can take a pkg name as an argument
[15:12] <ioria> kitsunenokenja, apt-cache policy libgd3 libjbig0 libpcre3 libsodium23 libssl1.1 openssl
[15:12] <ikonia> nomic: it sources that file
[15:12] <kitsunenokenja> thanks, didn't think it would take a series as input in one shot
[15:13] <kitsunenokenja> yeah this makes more sense now, https://ptpb.pw/Bp78
[15:14] <ioria> deskwizard, maybe ppa-purge might help you
[15:14] <kitsunenokenja> given this perhaps I can run install commands explictly requesting version numbers even if it appears to be a downgrade, just to switch to what bionic is providing
[15:14] <ikonia> it's going to be really unhappy with SSL
[15:15] <ioria> kitsunenokenja, if the sury source is gone, (apt update after)  ppa-purge should replace the original pkgs
[15:16] <kitsunenokenja> yeah, I ended up doing some "--remove" myself before I noticed there is a ppa-purge tool. it has nothing to report now and I'm where I am now
[15:17] <ioria> !info ppa-purge | kitsunenokenja
[15:17] <ikonia> it should still try to purge
[15:17] <kitsunenokenja> I don't mind picking up the pieces myself
[15:17] <ikonia> I suspect it will fail/refuse SSL
[15:17] <kitsunenokenja> hmm, ok I'll have a look
[15:18] <kitsunenokenja> could not find package list for PPA, not terribly surprising since it really is gone
[15:18] <ioria> kitsunenokenja, yep, you need to renable it
[15:19] <kitsunenokenja> tried explict version install for libpcre3, apt will do it
[15:19] <kitsunenokenja> it thinks it's a downgrade (it is) and that's fine
[15:20] <nomic> theres no error in .bashrc though, ikonia, the line i added (an alias), works
[15:20] <ikonia> nomic: then look in profile
[15:20] <nomic> profile hasn't been touched
[15:20] <ikonia> still look
[15:20] <ikonia> it's got an error....look at the file
[15:25] <kitsunenokenja> everything is good now, thank you two for the help :)
[15:26] <ioria> kitsunenokenja, good, your wlcm
[15:33] <nomic> wow .. the obscurity ... something stupid .. I had made "alias fi" .. and im pretty sure it overrode "fi" in bash = finish or something
[15:34] <nomic> ikonia
[15:34] <nomic> fixed it
[15:34] <nomic> alias fi wasn't a problem on xubuntu but was a problem on mate
[15:35] <nomic> thats always one of the wors things .. you name a variable a debugger command or something
[15:37] <kumool> Is there an implicit inetd on ubuntu that's running or can be configured anywhere?
[15:37] <ikonia> xubuntu and ubuntu are the same thing
[15:37] <ikonia> mate is just the desktop
[15:37] <ikonia> "fi" is normally the end of an "if" statement
[15:38] <ikonia> and any desktop will not care about that as it's the part of "bash" which both systems use
[15:47] <ausjke> looks like gnome-panel establishes connection to some deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com on 443 port
[15:48] <ausjke> i already stopped statistics report so this is odd
[16:15] <Drecondius> Ok, I have a curious problem here, I have a "broken" raid mapper on 2 of my drives where neither of them show up in file manager but are listed in gparted. Catch, they are both separate functional drives in windows.
[16:16] <Drecondius> How can I remove the mapper and save the data if possible. if not I don't mind a low level format just not very thrilled with the idea of the amount of time it will take.
[16:17] <ikonia> what is a raid mapper ?
[16:19] <Drecondius> It's a marker that the raid controller uses to tell the drives how they are arrayed (afaict)
[16:19] <ikonia> what type of raid is this, I assume fakeraid and not software or hardware raid
[16:19] <Drecondius> hardware, hence the issue
[16:20] <ikonia> are you sure it's hardware and not fakeraid (motherboard raid)
[16:20] <Drecondius> this is a "new" raid controller and they were broken off into individual drives years ago
[16:20] <ikonia> Drecondius: if it's hardware raid none of the metadata will be on the disk
[16:21] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking if this is actually fakeraid
[16:21] <Drecondius> I am absolutely positive, the only raid controller they've been squashed together with was on my old Gigabyte mobo
[16:21] <Drecondius> Never did a fakeraid in windows
[16:21] <ikonia> so it has been part of a fakeraid then ?
[16:21] <Drecondius> No
[16:21] <ikonia> on your old gigabye motheroard ?
[16:22] <ikonia> ok - so what raid controller are you using ?
[16:22] <Drecondius> this one is an sas controller, one moment and I'll give ya the name.
[16:23] <Drecondius> well, it's a dell precision t7500
[16:23] <Drecondius> I'd have to reboot to tell ya exact name.
[16:23] <ikonia> that's a workstation model
[16:23] <Drecondius> Yup
[16:23] <ikonia> ....and the spec doesn't show it containers a hardware raid controller
[16:23] <ikonia> it looks like a cheap as chips desktop
[16:23] <Drecondius> it's an SAS controller
[16:24] <ikonia> so ?
[16:24] <ikonia> that doesn't mean it's a hardware raid controller
[16:24] <immu> ducasse, hi
[16:24] <Drecondius> so the controller on the motherboard isn't hardware?
[16:24] <ikonia> Drecondius: no
[16:24] <Drecondius> moment
[16:25] <deadrom> hi, 18.04.1 live 64 in vbox5: screen all garbled. anything I can do about it?
[16:33] <anjovis> I'm striving for a minimalist setup and have uninstalled netplan and am using systemd-networkd for network config. Works great! Now, I'd like to make a nat rule persistent, without messing up what libvirt is maintaining. What's the best way to do this?
[16:33] <Drecondius> onboard LSI 1068e Raid Controller
[16:34] <Drecondius> and the raid was originally on a gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 v4
[16:35] <Drecondius> I seperated them after killing the raid in bios a couple years ago
[16:35] <Drecondius> that board has since died
[16:36] <ikonia> Drecondius: so that LSI is a different type of fakeraid reading the spec on it
[16:37] <ikonia> Drecondius: so if you've seperated the disks, can you not just mount them as seperate disks manually ?
[16:39] <Drecondius> according to gparted they are both locked into /dev/mapper/pdc_chefjhbea a 1.82 tb raid
[16:39] <ikonia> can you actually mount them manually ?
[16:39] <Drecondius> no
[16:39] <ikonia> what happens if you try to mount them manually ?
[16:39] <Drecondius> "gpt table is corrupt
[16:39] <Drecondius> "gpt table is corrupt" *
[16:39] <ikonia> how are you trying to mount them ?
[16:40] <ikonia> how did you "split them" when you took them off your old fakeraid controller ?
[16:40] <ikonia> did you zero the private region ?
[16:40] <ikonia> or just start using them as seperate disks ?
[16:41] <Drecondius> disabled the raid array in bios, seperating them and formatting them to ntfs (were windows boot for long time)
[16:41] <ikonia> I guess no way to tell what that "disable in fake raid bios" actually does
[16:42] <ikonia> Drecondius: what happens if you manually try to mount one ?
[16:42] <Drecondius> sec let me find the logs
[16:42] <ikonia> don't use logs now, just type the mount command
[16:42] <ikonia> show me the mount command you used, and show me the error
[16:44] <Drecondius> unknown filesystem type 'promise_fasttrack_raid_member'
[16:44] <Drecondius> I was trying all of this last night when i gave up and went to bed
[16:46] <Drecondius> mount /dev/sdx /media/tester
[16:46] <Drecondius> and the error was unknown filesystem type 'promise_fasttrack_raid_member'
[16:46] <Drecondius> please bear with me I'm still scatterbrained from lack of coffee
[16:47] <Drecondius> and feeling used due to learning something new about raid vs fakeraid. I always thought fakeraid was a software raid not one generated by a controller in the system.
[16:55] <Drecondius> I'm just gonna llf them both
[17:46] <uplime> Hello! I've got a fresh ubuntu 17.10 vm, and whenever I specify multiple interfaces, one never comes up. for example, if I just have the bridged interface enabled, it always works fine, and I can use it as expected. but if I enable a host-only interface, only that one works consistently. the other interface is still configured, but I can't do anything with it. Is there any way to use both interfaces?
[17:47] <tomreyn> !17.10 | uplime
[17:47] <uplime> I have the same problem with 18 as well
[17:49] <tomreyn> check the system logs to find out why the extra interface is not coming up
[17:50] <tomreyn> (on the 18.04 system, that is)
[17:51] <uplime> it comes up. it has an ip address and everything. I just can't send traffic over it
[17:52] <uplime> oh, i accidentally wrote it never comes up. that was a mistake on my part
[17:52] <uplime> it does (i can see it in `ip addr`), it just acts like its down
[17:59] <tomreyn> uplime: might be an issue with the virtualization then, or with your routing.
[18:00] <uplime> ok
[18:04] <uplime> tomreyn: good call. it was the routing (specifically the default gateway)
[18:06] <uplime> ah, guess it helps to read the netplan docs properly
[18:07] <tomreyn> glad you  found it :)
[18:09] <Ghosthree3> if running ubuntu 16.04, can you install a single package from 18.04's repos or is it likely to not work
[18:09] <ikonia> Ghosthree3: do not mix repos
[18:09] <Ghosthree3> ok
[18:13] <tomreyn> Ghosthree3: is it about getting a newer verison of a software, or a software at all? which one?
[18:13] <Ghosthree3> newer
[18:13] <Ghosthree3> as a dependency for compiling something else. i guess ill just compile it as well though
[18:14] <billythekido7> Hey guys. Anyone knows if it's possible on Grub to specify which LUKS key-slot to use? I'm experiencing slow boots and I know it's because I have multiple slots.
[18:14] <ikonia> I'd strongly suggest that few people actually "need" newer versions, and just want to chase the version number
[18:14] <ikonia> you may not be in that camp of course, but I'd ask yourself do you actually NEED a later version, or do you want a later version
[18:15] <tomreyn> Ghosthree3: i'd compile agains tthe version in ubuntu unless it lacks features your software depends on (in which case i'd do what you're saying).
[18:15] <Ghosthree3> ikonia: compiling x264 from master will fail without a later version of nasm, unfortunately, and yes, its a non standard build
[18:18] <tomreyn> billythekido7: i very much doubt that your system boots slow because you have multiple luks key slots in use.+
[18:19] <tomreyn> billythekido7: also, you dont need to specify which key slot to use, you can enter the passphrase of any key slot.
[18:20]  * tomreyn got to go now, back in ~ an hour 
[18:20] <billythekido7> tomreyn: Here is what happens. The iter-time estimated by the OS is not the same spent on GRUB (I'm reading the lib used is shit). So if you say iter-time 1 sec, it's 10 in GRUB.
[18:21] <billythekido7> tomreyn: I am aware it tries every slot, that's why it's slower. I wanted to hint to it which slot to look first for the password and which for unlocking the disks with the file
[18:48] <dka> I want to update the cinnamon splash background from a bash script. How can I do ? (for an user, for all users, for login screen)
[18:58] <ducasse> dka: you should probably find a cinnamon forum to ask that, and there isn't one on freenode
[19:01] <kk4ewt> dka and sorry to say this but what does google says ( i suspect this is a homework question)
[19:13] <dka> ducasse, where can I find a cinnamon chatroom?
[19:14] <dka> kk4ewt, I only see linuxmint result
[19:14] <dka> Just a few cinnamon and the few I tried did leave me the login screen with the default debian splash
[19:15] <ducasse> i don't know, ask in one of the mint channels on spotchat, maybe, since they are the devs
[19:16] <ducasse> i don't know if there is a website for cinnamon, check that as well
[19:18] <coz_> dka,  you can try #fedora-cinnamon maybe
[19:18] <coz_> dka, they could probably answer any cinnamon related questions
[19:20] <ikonia> pretty sure fedora channels won't be happy to support ubuntu cinnamon installs
[19:20] <coz_> probably not :) cant hurt to try
[19:21] <coz_> dka, is this about cinnamon install problems?
[19:21] <ikonia> yeah it can
[19:21] <ikonia> it presents this channel badly and may get the user banned
[19:21] <coz_> ikonia, absolutely right
[19:21] <coz_> dka, ignore my first suggestion
[19:22] <coz_> well he's not on that channel
[19:24] <dka> I am
[19:24] <dka> coz_, it is not cinnamon install problem
[19:24] <dka> I have a fresh debian install with cinnamon
[19:24] <dka> I want to know the step to replace all the splash for login and default backgrounds for all users, with the organization background
[19:25] <dka> Using a scripts
[19:25] <coz_> dka, ah ok and i see you are already on the debian channel
[19:25] <coz_> dka did you google the issue?
[19:25] <dka> I did
[19:25] <dka> I have seen two video
[19:25] <dka> and found a cmd with  gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background
[19:25] <dka> which sometimes work, sometimes does not
[19:26] <dka> And it only change the bg
[19:26] <dka> not the splash
[19:26] <coz_> dka,  right that;s what the cod is for
[19:26] <coz_> cmd
[19:26] <coz_> dka,  hold on
[19:29] <coz_> dka,  have you looked here?   https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM
[19:30] <dka> I did
[19:30] <dka> Are you familiar with it ?
[19:30] <dka> https://paste.gnome.org/p3omxqkvf
[19:32] <ducasse> dka: if you are on debian, you should not be seeking support here
[19:33] <coz_> dka, has no one in debian channel talked with you? ask several times there, someone should get to you
[19:33] <coz_> patience
[19:34] <coz_> better leave before I get myself and others in trouble
[20:25] <YellowDrink> Hi, which music player does Ubuntu use by default, to play a CD or a music library? e.g. like itunes on mac
[20:32] <moredrowsy> Rhythmbox?
[21:00] <jluc> hello
[21:00] <jluc> i've a keyboard shortcut issue :
[21:01] <jluc> <ALT+arrow left> launches a terminal, and i have to <ALT+arrow right> to recover window session
[21:02] <jluc> it looks like the keyboard settings pane doesnt enable to change that (because typing the selected key launches the terminal...)
[21:02] <jluc> how can I un-attribute these shortcuts ?
[21:11] <moses> I am trying to practice building software from source code and I am using tcpdump as my practice, I have installed libpcap and when I do sudo make install for tcpdump it doesnt run the program after i try to, it sites -bash /usr/sbin/tcpdump: no such file or directory and I checked there and theres nothing there :/
[21:13] <moredrowsy> got a question, in ubuntu, i created a partition with a filesystem as ext4
[21:13] <tomreyn> moses: better use checkinstall so that you can later clean things up easily. also, it's more likely that the tcpdump binary ended up in /usr/local/bin
[21:13] <moredrowsy> and then i ran kvm with a direct disk pass to that partition to install windows
[21:13] <tomreyn> ( or /usr/local/sbin )
[21:13] <moredrowsy> and that partition is now unrecognize file system but the windows still works
[21:13] <moredrowsy> when i decided to reformat that partition
[21:13] <moredrowsy> as ext4
[21:14] <moredrowsy> ubuntu still list it was a windows ntfs
[21:14] <moredrowsy> um, how do i fix this?
[21:14] <hyskaru> moredrowsy: gparted
[21:14] <moredrowsy> i tried that
[21:14] <moredrowsy> reformated it to ntfs, to ext4, ext3, and etc
[21:14] <moredrowsy> still list it as a basic data
[21:15] <tomreyn> moredrowsy: so you want to stop using this partition with the windows kvm guest but want to format it as ext4?
[21:15] <moredrowsy> yes, i dont need the windows on that partition anymore
[21:16] <moredrowsy> and so i just reformatted it
[21:16] <moredrowsy> to ext4
[21:16] <moredrowsy> several times
[21:16] <moredrowsy> and ubuntu still list it not as 'linux file system'
[21:16] <moredrowsy> but as 'basic data'
[21:16] <tomreyn> where does it say 'basic data'?
[21:16] <moredrowsy> the Disk app?
[21:17] <tomreyn> gnome disks?
[21:17] <moredrowsy> yes
[21:17] <moredrowsy> i find this very odd and not sure if its safe to store files on that partition
[21:17] <tomreyn> do you know which partition it is?
[21:18] <moredrowsy> dev/sdc10
[21:19] <tomreyn> so if you run "lsblk /dev/sdc10; file -s /dev/sdc10", what does it report?
[21:19] <hyskaru> moredrowsy: with sudo fdisk -l, what is say under "system" for that partition ?
[21:20] <moredrowsy> tomreyn, it says 'sdc10   8:42   0  50G  0 part /mnt/share_vm4'
[21:20] <moredrowsy> '/dev/sdc10: no read permission'
[21:20] <hyskaru> sudo
[21:21] <moredrowsy> hmm same thing, actually im running dd zero on the drive at the moment
[21:21] <moredrowsy> maybe that's why
[21:21] <moses> IT WORKED
[21:21] <hyskaru> the partition is already mounted you can't format
[21:21] <moredrowsy> hyskaru,
[21:21] <moredrowsy> it says
[21:21] <moredrowsy> '/dev/sdc10 738203648  843061247 104857600  50G Microsoft basic data'
[21:21] <moses> tomreyn: <3 so typically files that are made are made in usr/local and need to be migrated?
[21:21] <hyskaru> moredrowsy: change to linux filesystem
[21:22] <moredrowsy> how do i do that?
[21:22] <moredrowsy> shouldnt gparted reformat change the type?
[21:22] <hyskaru> yes format with gparted change the type
[21:22] <moredrowsy> well, yes, i tried that.
[21:23] <hyskaru> if you use ext4
[21:23] <moredrowsy> that's the problem
[21:23] <moredrowsy> i used gparted to reformat it to ext4
[21:23] <hyskaru> do you format the partition already mounted ?
[21:23] <moredrowsy> several times
[21:23] <moredrowsy> when i reformatted it, it was unmounted
[21:23] <tomreyn> moses: no, you'd usually pass options during the buildoncfiguration step to define the installation directory. /usr/local/(s)bin is just a sane default.
[21:23] <moredrowsy> but im mounting it at the moment to dd the entire partition to zero
[21:24] <tomreyn> gparted is a partitioning tool, it doesn't format.
[21:24] <hyskaru> moredrowsy: it's a gpt or mbr table ?
[21:24] <moredrowsy> gpt
[21:24] <tomreyn> also you don't mount before you dd, you unmount
[21:24] <hyskaru> use cgdisk to change the partition type to linux filesystem
[21:24] <hyskaru> 8200
[21:25] <hyskaru> if i rememer correctly
[21:25] <moredrowsy> ok, ill try that. thanks
[21:25] <hyskaru> no 8300
[21:32] <Boyette> hi
[21:32] <Boyette> i need help fixing my display
[21:39] <Boyette> does someone here know EriC^
[21:39] <Boyette> he helped me a lot
[21:39] <Boyette> and i managed now to fix all i broke
[21:39] <Boyette> and i want to thank him
[21:43] <ducasse> Boyette: he's not around now, probably won't be back until the morning
[21:44] <Boyette> hi
[21:45] <ducasse> in case you missed it - Boyette: he's not around now, probably won't be back until the morning
[21:47] <Boyette> ah yes i missed it
[21:47] <Boyette> european time?
[21:47] <Boyette> i will check tomorrow then
[21:47] <Boyette> he really needs my greetings
[21:47] <Boyette> he helped me almost all the way
[21:47] <ducasse> european time, yes
[21:47] <Boyette> perfect
[21:47] <Boyette> ill hang out here tomorrow to find him
[21:51] <moredrowsy> hyskaru, that works! thanks.
[21:51] <hyskaru> moredrowsy: of perfect
[21:51] <moredrowsy> hyskaru, can you please explain to me why the type code changes when using kvm to directly access the partition?
[21:52] <moredrowsy> for win 10?
[21:52] <moredrowsy> normally, i just use gparted and everything works.
[21:52] <moredrowsy> i even made sure before i install windows, i formatted it to ntfs.
[21:53] <moredrowsy> but why does it have issues when converting it to ext4?
[21:53] <hyskaru> moredrowsy: sorry but i don't know why, if you format with gparted, in ext4, the type of partition would be linux filesystem
[21:58] <Sheilong> I moved from gnome desktop to i3 today. When I run emacs , it cannot load the configs I've had already, it seems something due permission of emacs init file. Someone has experienced it anytime?
[22:01] <hyskaru> Sheilong: where is your init file, ~/.emacs ?
[22:02] <Sheilong> hyskaru: In my home directory
[22:03] <Sheilong>  /home/user/.emacs
[22:06] <kristenbb> hello, when I select two video files and open them through the Files manager, it opens two vlc instances, even though I have /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file %U in /usr/share/applications/vlc.desktop. Is this a known bug in 18.04 ? (it worked in 16.04)
[22:25] <energizer> Is there a tool that will look at my installed packages and check for CVEs on them?
[23:05] <IntelCore> Main menu menu item won't get off the
[23:05] <IntelCore> menu
[23:07] <IntelCore> oh wait.. It removed
[23:07] <IntelCore> ty vm never mind
[23:11] <ausjke> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3766282/fill-database-tables-with-a-large-amount-of-test-data  I used the simple code to write 10K lines of mysql with a decent PC(8-core,8GB), after 20 minutes it's still inserting?
[23:12] <ausjke> just insert 10K rows, each row has two columns(two integers), one is id, another is a random value, new to mysql, is this normal, i mean it's really slow
[23:12] <ausjke> oops wrong channel, sorry
[23:35] <Avion> i can ask, anything of the quality of garageband for ubuntu?
[23:49] <craigbass76> Is there some trick to the CUPS web interface (http://localhost:631) admin area? I get a message about needing the proper username and pass, but I'm never prompted for one
[23:51] <Vic2> what is the end of support date for 14.04 LTS?
[23:52] <hyskaru> Vic2: april 2019
[23:52] <guiverc> Vic2: 14.04 was released in 2014.april - so +5 years for 'main' software..  https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[23:52] <mzaza> I have a server with a full hard-disk, that happened suddenly. How can I know what is eating up my space?
[23:53] <hyskaru> mzaza: df -h
[23:53] <guiverc> mzaza: `du`  or disk usage is what I use...
[23:55] <mzaza> hyskaru: guiverc Thanks apparently mongodb has 4.2G logs!
[23:56] <DoggySnoop> mzaza: you can also use this command to see top 5 biggest files
[23:56] <hyskaru> omg xD
[23:57] <DoggySnoop> mzaza: du -hs * | sort -rh | head -5
[23:57] <DoggySnoop> I think that would do