| erle- | why is a script/jar launched from caja not in the launch directory as current directory? | 07:06 |
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| m4t | erle-: has to do with the cwd of the main caja process | 08:15 |
| m4t | erle-: see the 'cwd' line in lsof: https://paste.ee/p/wOvDZ#uxvyQzKnrwaLO5VBD9dK5XKOL5OstuAL | 08:16 |
| m4t | though it kinda makes sense that it should execute in the context of the directory it's clicked on from | 08:16 |
| m4t | cwd = current working directory | 08:16 |
| erle- | m4t, I think Nautilus always did that, that's why I am surprised | 08:19 |
| stevenm | i take it if a use wants a UI way of changing their 'whole disk'/luks/crypt password on startup - they're stuck with needing to install GNOME Dicks ? | 14:46 |
| stevenm | s/Dicks/Disks/ :) | 14:46 |
| stevenm | essentially my question is... is there no MATE-ier way of doing that? I don't even see 'GNOME Disks' (got it right that time) in the Software Boutique | 14:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't believe there is a MATE equivalent no | 14:49 |
| stevenm | ok luckily it only draws itself in as a package anyway | 14:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have had it for a long while | 15:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | probably was included as a default package at some point | 15:02 |
| alkisg | gnome-disks is preinstalled in 18.04 as well | 15:03 |
| alkisg | (in mate 18.04) | 15:03 |
| stevenm | nuh uh - at least not on minimal mode | 15:03 |
| alkisg | Well, duh, minimal :) | 15:03 |
| stevenm | which btw is terrible... | 15:04 |
| alkisg | Hehe you want minimal but maximal? | 15:04 |
| stevenm | it's crazy to have the whole lot copied over to then clearly see it --remove/--purge all the other packages afterwards :S | 15:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't expect minimal to offer packages like that. | 15:04 |
| alkisg | The ubuntu installer, ubiquity, always copies everything and then removes packages | 15:05 |
| stevenm | sixwheeledbeast, yeah i would... someone sets an encryption password during installation - they expect to be able to change passwords they've previously set | 15:05 |
| alkisg | There are no .debs in the live cd, so it has to work that way | 15:05 |
| stevenm | doesn't matter if it is a user password or a system one | 15:05 |
| stevenm | alkisg, yeah i figured thats the reason why | 15:05 |
| stevenm | still daft | 15:05 |
| alkisg | You can use debian installer if you prefer .debs | 15:05 |
| alkisg | But in that case, you have a live image AND all the .debs | 15:05 |
| alkisg | Which means double the cd size | 15:05 |
| stevenm | still it beats me having to remove it all manually (like i normally would - well maybe 90% of it) | 15:06 |
| alkisg | Which for me is more of a downsize | 15:06 |
| alkisg | *side | 15:06 |
| stevenm | everything but I guess thunderbird, libreoffice and now gnome-disks :) | 15:06 |
| alkisg | Well fortunately installing/uninstalling packages in ubuntu is just one command | 15:06 |
| stevenm | you can't have firefox as part of minimal (what if they're a die hard fan of telnet eh?! :P) but a needed system tool for dealing with the users choice of encryption they set up with the install - is missing :P | 15:07 |
| stevenm | presumably anything that the 'minimal' mode uninstalls - is also listed on the software boutique? | 15:07 |
| alkisg | I always use firefox and never luks encryption | 15:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | software boutique in minimal install? | 15:08 |
| stevenm | yeah you get that with minimal | 15:08 |
| * alkisg doesn't really understand the concept of minimal mode... when it's only missing a couple of packages | 15:10 | |
| stevenm | alkisg, it's not about what you use :P it's about an expectation to be able to continue to configure/reconfigure something you set up during the install | 15:10 |
| stevenm | it's be like asking them to set up a user in the install... then not giving the needed UI to edit and change users :P | 15:10 |
| alkisg | stevenm: I expect to be able to use the internet during the installation :) | 15:10 |
| alkisg | I see your point, but I don't really share it. You can always install whatever you like | 15:10 |
| alkisg | E.g. i install dm at the live cd when i need it even if it's not there | 15:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | its a snap now AFAIK. I expect a minimal installation to be not much more than the basic DE and a few daily tools that you can add your stuff on top of. | 15:11 |
| stevenm | sixwheeledbeast, SB is a snap? ew | 15:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so you have snapd and all those dependencies I imagine. | 15:12 |
| stevenm | yup | 15:12 |
| stevenm | and a silly 'snap' directory in my $HOME | 15:12 |
| stevenm | looking all stupid and lowercase | 15:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have the full version but without snapd so it didn't install boutique and the other packages. | 15:13 |
| stevenm | sixwheeledbeast, how've you managed that!? | 15:14 |
| stevenm | minimal and no downloads - https://pastebin.com/eP8GtYsJ | 15:14 |
| stevenm | normal and downloads - https://pastebin.com/z59S94qV | 15:14 |
| stevenm | minimal and downloads - https://pastebin.com/qHy6eDRh | 15:14 |
| stevenm | by 'downloads' i mean the 3rd party updates | 15:14 |
| stevenm | all have snap | 15:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I upgraded from 17.10 without letting it install, you can probably just remove snapd and it's dependencies if you want. | 15:16 |
| stevenm | tbh i like the software boutique | 15:17 |
| stevenm | kinda just wish i could use it command line though :) | 15:17 |
| stevenm | e.g. | 15:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I did but I dont really want snaps so it want bye bye | 15:18 |
| stevenm | sb install 'GIMP' | 15:18 |
| stevenm | so you don't have to remember all the right package names (plus that one, GIMP, installs lots of other handy packages by default if using the software boutique) | 15:18 |
| stevenm | plus it takes care of PPA's and such | 15:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hack your bash with apt aliases. | 15:29 |
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