[07:06] <erle-> why is a script/jar launched from caja not in the launch directory as current directory?
[08:15] <m4t> erle-: has to do with the cwd of the main caja process
[08:16] <m4t> erle-: see the 'cwd' line in lsof: https://paste.ee/p/wOvDZ#uxvyQzKnrwaLO5VBD9dK5XKOL5OstuAL
[08:16] <m4t> though it kinda makes sense that it should execute in the context of the directory it's clicked on from
[08:16] <m4t> cwd = current working directory
[08:19] <erle-> m4t, I think Nautilus always did that, that's why I am surprised
[14:46] <stevenm> i take it if a use wants a UI way of changing their 'whole disk'/luks/crypt password on startup - they're stuck with needing to install GNOME Dicks ?
[14:46] <stevenm> s/Dicks/Disks/  :)
[14:46] <stevenm> essentially my question is... is there no MATE-ier way of doing that?  I don't even see 'GNOME Disks' (got it right that time) in the Software Boutique
[14:49] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't believe there is a MATE equivalent no
[14:50] <stevenm> ok luckily it only draws itself in as a package anyway
[15:02] <sixwheeledbeast> I have had it for a long while
[15:02] <sixwheeledbeast> probably was included as a default package at some point
[15:03] <alkisg> gnome-disks is preinstalled in 18.04 as well
[15:03] <alkisg> (in mate 18.04)
[15:03] <stevenm> nuh uh - at least not on minimal mode
[15:03] <alkisg> Well, duh, minimal :)
[15:04] <stevenm> which btw is terrible...
[15:04] <alkisg> Hehe you want minimal but maximal?
[15:04] <stevenm> it's crazy to have the whole lot copied over to then clearly see it --remove/--purge all the other packages afterwards :S
[15:04] <sixwheeledbeast> I wouldn't expect minimal to offer packages like that.
[15:05] <alkisg> The ubuntu installer, ubiquity, always copies everything and then removes packages
[15:05] <stevenm> sixwheeledbeast, yeah i would... someone sets an encryption password during installation - they expect to be able to change passwords they've previously set
[15:05] <alkisg> There are no .debs in the live cd, so it has to work that way
[15:05] <stevenm> doesn't matter if it is a user password or a system one
[15:05] <stevenm> alkisg, yeah i figured thats the reason why
[15:05] <stevenm> still daft
[15:05] <alkisg> You can use debian installer if you prefer .debs
[15:05] <alkisg> But in that case, you have a live image AND all the .debs
[15:05] <alkisg> Which means double the cd size
[15:06] <stevenm> still it beats me having to remove it all manually (like i normally would - well maybe 90% of it)
[15:06] <alkisg> Which for me is more of a downsize
[15:06] <alkisg> *side
[15:06] <stevenm> everything but I guess thunderbird, libreoffice and now gnome-disks :)
[15:06] <alkisg> Well fortunately installing/uninstalling packages in ubuntu is just one command
[15:07] <stevenm> you can't have firefox as part of minimal (what if they're a die hard fan of telnet eh?! :P) but a needed system tool for dealing with the users choice of encryption they set up with the install - is missing :P
[15:07] <stevenm> presumably anything that the 'minimal' mode uninstalls - is also listed on the software boutique?
[15:08] <alkisg> I always use firefox and never luks encryption
[15:08] <sixwheeledbeast> software boutique in minimal install?
[15:08] <stevenm> yeah you get that with minimal
[15:10]  * alkisg doesn't really understand the concept of minimal mode... when it's only missing a couple of packages
[15:10] <stevenm> alkisg, it's not about what you use :P it's about an expectation to be able to continue to configure/reconfigure something you set up during the install
[15:10] <stevenm> it's be like asking them to set up a user in the install... then not giving the needed UI to edit and change users :P
[15:10] <alkisg> stevenm: I expect to be able to use the internet during the installation :)
[15:10] <alkisg> I see your point, but I don't really share it. You can always install whatever you like
[15:11] <alkisg> E.g. i install dm at the live cd when i need it even if it's not there
[15:11] <sixwheeledbeast> its a snap now AFAIK. I expect a minimal installation to be not much more than the basic DE and a few daily tools that you can add your stuff on top of.
[15:11] <stevenm> sixwheeledbeast, SB is a snap?  ew
[15:12] <sixwheeledbeast> so you have snapd and all those dependencies I imagine.
[15:12] <stevenm> yup
[15:12] <stevenm> and a silly 'snap' directory in my $HOME
[15:12] <stevenm> looking all stupid and lowercase
[15:13] <sixwheeledbeast> I have the full version but without snapd so it didn't install boutique and the other packages.
[15:14] <stevenm> sixwheeledbeast, how've you managed that!?
[15:14] <stevenm> minimal and no downloads - https://pastebin.com/eP8GtYsJ
[15:14] <stevenm> normal and downloads - https://pastebin.com/z59S94qV
[15:14] <stevenm> minimal and downloads - https://pastebin.com/qHy6eDRh
[15:14] <stevenm> by 'downloads' i mean the 3rd party updates
[15:15] <stevenm> all have snap
[15:16] <sixwheeledbeast> I upgraded from 17.10 without letting it install, you can probably just remove snapd and it's dependencies if you want.
[15:17] <stevenm> tbh i like the software boutique
[15:17] <stevenm> kinda just wish i could use it command line though :)
[15:18] <stevenm> e.g.
[15:18] <sixwheeledbeast> I did but I dont really want snaps so it want bye bye
[15:18] <stevenm> sb install 'GIMP'
[15:18] <stevenm> so you don't have to remember all the right package names (plus that one, GIMP, installs lots of other handy packages by default if using the software boutique)
[15:19] <stevenm> plus it takes care of PPA's and such
[15:29] <sixwheeledbeast> Hack your bash with apt aliases.
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