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| alkisg | chrisccoulson: hi, with firefox 62.0+build2-0ubuntu0.18.04.3 I don't see a greek spell checker, while with by downgrading to 59.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1 which is still in bionic repositories I do see the greek spell checker. | 05:07 |
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| alkisg | I wonder if the ubuntu-specific packaging patch was dropped again, similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/770719 ? | 05:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 770719 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) "Dutch localization doesn't include Firefox Dutch spell checker add-on" [High,Fix released] | 05:07 |
| alkisg | "Look in /usr/share/hunspell for the system dictionaries on maverick and later, rather than /usr/share/myspell/dicts. This got dropped somehow in natty" | 05:08 |
| alkisg | Manually installing firefox deb = 61.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 from bionic/launchpad also works... | 05:28 |
| alkisg | So to sum up, 59 and 61 have both greek/english spell checkers, while 62 regressed and only has english spell checker. | 05:43 |
| LocutusOfBorg | cpaelzer, do you have any plan for libvirt? | 08:24 |
| LocutusOfBorg | there is a new bugfix release, I don't know if it is on your list or not... | 08:24 |
| cpaelzer | LocutusOfBorg: there is a release every 4 weeks | 08:26 |
| cpaelzer | this is not different to other ubuntu cycles | 08:26 |
| cpaelzer | we usually pick the qemu we want/need and the libvirt at least one after that (as libvirt contains cleanups/handling of that qmeu then) | 08:27 |
| cpaelzer | in some cases I stabilize the libvirt we have by selectively backporting from the newer releases in the following month | 08:27 |
| cpaelzer | but we don't go forward to e.g. 4.7 in this case | 08:27 |
| cpaelzer | as it would just as much introduce new issues/features | 08:28 |
| cpaelzer | and the effort for the selective backport I usually only do for LTS releases | 08:28 |
| cpaelzer | from there it depends on bug reports to backport one or the other fix as usual | 08:28 |
| cpaelzer | LocutusOfBorg: or is there a 4.6.1 or such that I totally missed | 08:29 |
| cpaelzer | hmm, no I only see 4.7 that I know | 08:29 |
| LocutusOfBorg | cpaelzer, I was interested in the kernel fixes | 08:31 |
| LocutusOfBorg | but as you wish, I get your point, better merge on next archive open? | 08:31 |
| cpaelzer | LocutusOfBorg: I do so every cycle anyway with plenty of regression tests as we have so much things depending on it | 08:31 |
| cpaelzer | LocutusOfBorg: if you have anything in particular open a bug and I can consider backporting the commit | 08:31 |
| cpaelzer | LocutusOfBorg: now I'm curious anyway, what kernel fixes are you referring to? | 08:32 |
| LocutusOfBorg | 4.18 fixes, but I see you probably have already backported them | 08:33 |
| cpaelzer | hehe | 08:33 |
| cpaelzer | I'm actually the upstream Author of them as well | 08:33 |
| cpaelzer | so yeah, that is already in Cosmic and on its SRU way to Bionic (so that the HWE will not cause trouble) | 08:34 |
| LocutusOfBorg | nice! thanks! | 08:34 |
| cpaelzer | never a fix is so easy as those that are already done :-) | 08:34 |
| cpaelzer | you are welcome | 08:34 |
| chrisccoulson | alkisg, yes, I'm aware of that | 08:42 |
| alkisg | chrisccoulson: thank you | 08:42 |
| chrisccoulson | just another thing to add to the long list of disasters for this update :/ | 08:42 |
| alkisg | :D | 08:43 |
| alkisg | Yeah schools started and I'm having 10 issues per hour :D | 08:43 |
| cking | hi, the xenial version of zfsutils-linux for bug 1781364 was verified several weeks ago but the package is still in -proposed, can that be released sometime soon? | 12:22 |
| ubottu | bug 1781364 in zfs-linux (Ubuntu Xenial) "Kernel error "task zfs:pid blocked for more than 120 seconds"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1781364 | 12:22 |
| rbasak | Hmm. zfs-linux doesn't appear in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html | 12:37 |
| rbasak | cking: zfs-linux has nothing in xenial-propsed. xenial-updates shows 0.6.5.6-0ubuntu24 published on 2018-08-23. Is what you need already done with an incorrect status? | 12:38 |
| cking | rbasak, I think I figured it out, I tested it against the kernel that was in -proposed and the zfsutils in my PPA, I forgot to upload it, stupid me | 12:39 |
| rbasak | np | 12:40 |
| * cking slaps himself | 12:41 | |
| Yimo_ | hey there! I know this is not the right channel but I figured the devs of ubuntu can help me with my case. You see, I have two linux distros on dualboot. That is fine. However ubuntu's grub installation causes my other OS to have a kernel panic, while the other distro's os keeps both working fine for me. What I want to do is ignore/disable grub in ubuntu and make sure that it doesn't reinstall itself after an update of whatnot, | 13:54 |
| Yimo_ | Does anyone know how I can do this? all my search only lead me to removing ubuntu itself and not this | 13:54 |
| Yimo_ | As I expected, silence :/ | 13:59 |
| Faux | Ask in #ubuntu. This is never the right channel. | 14:00 |
| cjwatson | Geez, a five-minute delay isn't silence | 14:00 |
| Yimo_ | alright | 14:00 |
| cjwatson | The preferred approach is to remove the GRUB packages that are defined as owning the system's boot process (normally grub-pc and grub-efi-amd64), but using dpkg-divert on grub-install would work too | 14:01 |
| Yimo_ | what is the difference between the two approaches? | 14:01 |
| Yimo_ | (trying the preferred method and hoping ubuntu won't reinstall grub) | 14:04 |
| cjwatson | While I'd prefer the former, it's possible that it will cause some other packages (beyond grub-*) to be removed and that you might determine that this is unacceptable for you (try it and see); in that case dpkg-divert is a fairly general "I want to put my own thing in place of this system-provided file and have it persist across upgrades" | 14:04 |
| cjwatson | I think the first approach should work though | 14:04 |
| Yimo_ | Ah I get what you mean | 14:05 |
| Yimo_ | generally any grub requiring package won't go too far beyond boot, I'm fine by first approach | 14:05 |
| Yimo_ | thanks for the clarification though | 14:05 |
| cjwatson | np. Faux is right that #ubuntu is really a better place for support, in general. I just happened to be watching | 14:06 |
| Yimo_ | well, in general yeah. However sometimes in extreme cases though I prefer digging closer to devs | 14:06 |
| Yimo_ | thanks anyway and cya | 14:07 |
| doko | tumbleweed, cyphermox: any idea about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pkginfo/1.4.2-1 ? | 14:09 |
| msalvatore | Hey, doko. Will you still have time today to take a peek at that armhf build failure? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/15336959 | 14:32 |
| tumbleweed | doko: simple enough. I'll poke it | 14:34 |
| doko | msalvatore: not a priority for me | 14:46 |
| tumbleweed | doko: uploaded to unstable | 14:46 |
| msalvatore | doko: ok. thanks anyway | 14:53 |
| sil2100 | rbasak: hey! Are you done with your SRU shift for today? Since I wanted to review ipxe from the bionic queue and don't want to step on your toes | 15:27 |
| rbasak | sil2100: go ahead. I'm looking at gnome-software but won't look at any after that. Thank you for syncing. | 15:30 |
| BenderRodriguez | so, who's the person here who proposed that it would be a good idea to advertise bit.ly links in motd banners for Ubuntu *Server* | 15:39 |
| BenderRodriguez | like, what thought process went through to come to the conclusion that pushing this into a clearly enterprise centric version of the distro was a good idea | 15:39 |
| BenderRodriguez | like seriously, who was it -- I am both astounded and intrigued by either the madness or genius of this person | 15:39 |
| BenderRodriguez | any explainations? | 15:39 |
| dpb1 | nice tone | 16:40 |
| dpb1 | here's more info if you want it | 16:40 |
| dpb1 | https://meet.google.com/linkredirect?authuser=0&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bsource%2Fbase-files%2F%2Bbug%2F1701068%2Fcomments%2F11 | 16:40 |
| dpb1 | lol | 16:40 |
| dpb1 | here | 16:40 |
| dpb1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068/comments/11 | 16:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1701068 in base-files (Ubuntu) "motd.ubuntu.com currently shows media item (HBO's Silicon Valley using Ubuntu)" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 16:40 |
| dpb1 | (comment 11) | 16:41 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: "cleary enterprise centric" version implies a rather large misundrestanding of the difference between server and desktop, IMO. | 17:27 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: let's not divert from the issue here | 17:27 |
| BenderRodriguez | call it what you please | 17:27 |
| BenderRodriguez | but it doesn't belong on this variant of the distro | 17:27 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: "doesn't belong" is an opinion. | 17:27 |
| nacc | I don't defend it myself, but you sound rather FUD-y right now | 17:28 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: so you think there's objective benefits in pushing potentially unwanted, potentially malicious, unknown links to operating systems that may be part of critical infrastructure? | 17:28 |
| jbicha | BenderRodriguez: the LP bug comment explains how to disable it if you want for your enterprise | 17:28 |
| jbicha | unknown to who? malicious how? | 17:28 |
| BenderRodriguez | jbicha: oh I'm sure there are various way to thrwart the functionality, but it should never even be introduced for someone to have to work to disable it | 17:29 |
| BenderRodriguez | jbicha: I don't know what theit bit.ly link is for | 17:29 |
| BenderRodriguez | i don't know where it would take me | 17:29 |
| BenderRodriguez | so i have to believe that there's a non-zero chance that it's a malicious link | 17:29 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: ... "unwanted", "unknown", etc. | 17:29 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: total FUD. | 17:29 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: unknown to *you* | 17:29 |
| BenderRodriguez | right | 17:29 |
| BenderRodriguez | exactly | 17:29 |
| BenderRodriguez | unknown to the user | 17:30 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: also, critical infrastructure ... why is the motd relevant? | 17:30 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: don't use the internet, btw, if you're worried about potential unwanted, malicious links | 17:30 |
| jbicha | enterprises pay their sysadmins to disable unwanted functionality. Hire me if you want me to disable it for your enterprise | 17:30 |
| BenderRodriguez | Again, there will be a scenario where the OS *has* to have internet connectivity | 17:30 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: basically, you have an opinion, that's great. Your opinion wasn't shared by someone who works on the product. That's how it goes sometimes. | 17:31 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: I'm saying, not about this specific case. | 17:31 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: if you are worried about URLs, don't use the internet ever | 17:31 |
| nacc | I'm pretty sure that's the only solution to your concern about them | 17:31 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: but given the vocal outrage from the linux community, the only thing that should have been done was a well written apology and a patch swiftly distirbuted to excise this feature | 17:32 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: "linux community"? | 17:32 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: ubuntu != linux. | 17:32 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: yes, you don't have to quote it | 17:32 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: again, uneeded pendantry | 17:32 |
| BenderRodriguez | the open source community, linux, GNU/Linux, Ubuntu, call it what you want -- people aren't happy about this | 17:33 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: so you now speak for millions of people? | 17:33 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: and all of those people are now unanimous in this opinion? | 17:33 |
| BenderRodriguez | I speak based on a tally of the negative criticisms on the various launchpad bugs on this | 17:33 |
| BenderRodriguez | so there is quantitative data to show that yes | 17:33 |
| BenderRodriguez | people aren't happy | 17:34 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: what's the count there, then? | 17:34 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: you have access -- you wanted this info? then go look for it yourself | 17:34 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: no, you are asserting there is some great outrage. Prove it to me. | 17:34 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: look at all the closed/open launchpad bugs on this | 17:34 |
| BenderRodriguez | there's your proof | 17:34 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: that's 1) not proof that the entire "open source community, linux, GNU/linux, Ubuntu" care at all about this and 2) no, you seem unwilling to try and actually prove your point. I refer you back to FUD. And will now move on to something useful in my day. | 17:36 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: again, I don't disagree with your sentiment. But I don't think it's the scary thing you are trying to make it out to be. | 17:47 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: it is a major breach in trust and a potential security hazard | 17:52 |
| BenderRodriguez | these aren't opinions | 17:52 |
| BenderRodriguez | this is an objective statement | 17:52 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: how is it either? | 17:53 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: 1) This feature was implemented without ample warning or discussion with the community at large 2) This feature can easily be commandeered in various way to supply potentially malicious content | 17:54 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: 1) I can understand that perspective. Canonical made a choice here. You trust Canonical, by using their software (IMO). As to 2) I don't see what obvious commandeering you are implying. | 17:57 |
| StevenK | nacc: Set http_proxy to something that can rewrite bit.ly URLs, boom, malicious content | 17:59 |
| nacc | StevenK: for the root user. | 18:00 |
| nacc | StevenK: which implies your root user is compromised? | 18:00 |
| StevenK | nacc: Setting environment variables does not require special privledges | 18:01 |
| nacc | StevenK: setting environment variables that are read by the update-motd process would, though? | 18:01 |
| StevenK | nacc: update-motd is not involved here, it's the process of *following* the links | 18:01 |
| nacc | StevenK: err, sorry the systemd timer, i think | 18:02 |
| nacc | StevenK: oh, you are saying, you as the user click on a link with a compromised http_proxy? | 18:06 |
| nacc | StevenK: ... so the issue is you have a compromised system, and you are complaining about the MOTD? | 18:06 |
| StevenK | nacc: I wasn't complaining, I was just pointing out how easy it is | 18:08 |
| nacc | StevenK: how easy it is to have a compromised system? ... I don't see what having a URL in motd has to do with your system being compromised. | 18:10 |
| nacc | StevenK: and it also means you shouldn't open *any* URLs on said system, not just MOTD. | 18:10 |
| nacc | again, don't use the internet if you can't trust your system | 18:11 |
| nacc | it seems like blatant FUD | 18:11 |
| StevenK | How easy it is subvert bit.ly URLs, but I have more important things to do | 18:11 |
| nacc | me too! :) | 18:11 |
| BenderRodriguez | nacc: and if motd.ubuntu.com is compromised? | 18:13 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: then probably a lot more of ubuntu.com is too | 18:14 |
| BenderRodriguez | right but you see where I'm getting at right? | 18:15 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: yes, you trust ubuntu.com to be what it is supposed to be. | 18:15 |
| BenderRodriguez | it's an uncessary vector of attack being introduced | 18:15 |
| nacc | BenderRodriguez: I don't see it as a breach of trust, to use that trust in a URL. | 18:15 |
| BenderRodriguez | for a server operating system... | 18:15 |
| nacc | whatever, I'm done talking about this | 18:15 |
| * sladen tries to read the scrollback | 18:20 | |
| sladen | is there a bug report? | 18:21 |
| nacc | sladen: LP: #1701068 | 18:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1701068 in base-files (Ubuntu) "motd.ubuntu.com currently shows media item (HBO's Silicon Valley using Ubuntu)" [Wishlist,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701068 | 18:21 |
| nacc | sladen: and others, iirc | 18:21 |
| sladen | nacc: this bug report is from over one year ago? (June 2017) Is it still current? | 18:26 |
| nacc | sladen: dunno :) | 18:26 |
| hggdh | well, it is sort-of current. It has been set as Opinion, which is a terminal state (meaning somebody decided this will not be looked at further), but is basically a difference of opinions | 18:30 |
| desti | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1740517 anyone here responsible for libsdl2 can look at this? | 23:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1740517 in libsdl2 (Ubuntu) "SDL2 2.0.6 isn't compiled with Vulkan support" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:21 |
| nacc | desti: is it still broken on 18.10? it will need to be fixed there before 18.04 can be SRU'd | 23:39 |
| desti | i guess so | 23:40 |
| nacc | desti: that's not exactly good enough, and is information that's needed in the bug. LocutusOfBorg, i think you TIL? | 23:42 |
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