| cim209 | anyone getting issues of software updater disappearing? or when you open it up, it fails to load? | 00:58 |
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| cim209 | here's the pastebin https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xqsZZ5WydW/ | 01:02 |
| stevenm | is there any issues with indicator icons being too big/oversized so that their top/bottom bits get cut off? | 06:15 |
| stevenm | https://i.snag.gy/3S5V0I.jpg | 06:15 |
| stevenm | e.g. if the program (in this case the nextcloud client) is is proving an image file larger than the area,... is the indicator applet meant to size it down - or is the thing that's trying to use the applet meant to do that?! is this is a bug with the indicator applet basically or the thing using it? | 06:16 |
| === Scytale90 is now known as Scytale89 | ||
| stevenm | hey so I've got a new laptop here which has a stupidly big resolution of 3200x1800 | 16:43 |
| stevenm | so some in-built thing must realise this because it doubles the size of all the programs showing | 16:43 |
| stevenm | some programs don't like this so look like big windows with tiny objects/text in them - but whatever i can live with that | 16:44 |
| stevenm | i'm not sure what the technical term for this process is though | 16:44 |
| stevenm | but what I have realised - is when i connect 2 x 1080p monitors (it's a thunderbolt 3 port that supports 2 monitors) - all the apps stay *double* sized - on the external monitors | 16:44 |
| vkareh | stevenm: it's HiDPI, so this is GTK scaling | 16:44 |
| stevenm | which looks crazy | 16:45 |
| stevenm | ok so is there a way to say don't scale on the external monitors when a window is dragged over or opens on them? | 16:45 |
| vkareh | stevenm: so, your monitors are _not_ HiDPI, but your laptop is. Scaling only works on the entire display, not on a per-monitor basis | 16:45 |
| stevenm | sigh | 16:46 |
| vkareh | stevenm: your options are: disable HiDPI when you connect the monitors, or use xrandr to scale the monitors down | 16:46 |
| stevenm | right so when my boss is opposite me with his stupid surface book pro 2 and windows 10 - and i see it change the scale of the windows as he moves stuff around... | 16:46 |
| stevenm | ... basically that's not doable in linux land yet? | 16:46 |
| vkareh | stevenm: correct | 16:47 |
| stevenm | so essentially make my laptop use 1600x900 (half the res) and disable hidpi and everything on all monitors will look normal? | 16:47 |
| vkareh | stevenm: I have a HiDPI laptop and a single monitor attached to it, using xrandr to down-scale the monitor works for me - that way I get a HiDPI laptop display, and a normal monitor | 16:47 |
| vkareh | stevenm: yes, that's option 1 | 16:48 |
| stevenm | ok confused you just said you couldn't do it on a per monitor basis | 16:48 |
| vkareh | stevenm: not from the GTK scaling itself, no - but you can trick the monitor into scaling itself down directly on X11 | 16:48 |
| vkareh | I don't know if it will work on two monitors, though... | 16:49 |
| stevenm | down scale the external monitor? | 16:49 |
| vkareh | it should, but you would have issues with the position | 16:49 |
| vkareh | yep | 16:49 |
| stevenm | but it doesn't need down scaling - it's already at the right res of 1080p | 16:49 |
| stevenm | just what is showing on it is double sized | 16:49 |
| stevenm | i feel like i'm missing something here | 16:49 |
| vkareh | stevenm: do something like `xrandr --output HDMI1 --scale 2x2` in your terminal (change the HDMI1 part with whatever device name your monitor is) and it will scale just that monitor | 16:50 |
| vkareh | the problem is that when you do that, the position of the monitor gets all messed up, so you would need to do something like `xrandr --output eDP1 --pos 3840x1080` or something like that to get your laptop monitor to be in the "right" position | 16:51 |
| stevenm | ok so that looks confusing | 16:52 |
| vkareh | stevenm: really, it's a pain, unfortunately :/ | 16:52 |
| stevenm | one monitor looks right now - and the other looks like it shows a section of the first at bad scaling | 16:52 |
| vkareh | most people end up just lowering the laptop resolution to 1600x900 and be done with it :/ | 16:52 |
| stevenm | original output from xrandr... https://pastebin.com/raw/Mvhszzf6 | 16:52 |
| vkareh | stevenm: yeah, now try the same command but on the other monitor | 16:53 |
| stevenm | so i ran... xrandr --output DP-2-1 --scale 2x2 | 16:53 |
| stevenm | but if i run... xrandr --output DP-1-3 --scale 2x2 | 16:53 |
| stevenm | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 8192x8192 (desired size 8960x2160) | 16:53 |
| vkareh | oh wow, okay that's unexpected | 16:53 |
| stevenm | i could try other ports though - basically this laptop has a thunderbolt 3 40gbps connection to a dell dock | 16:54 |
| vkareh | sorry I've never done two monitors at once, I'm wondering if it has to do with the position (notice how i'ts 5120x0 on DP-1-3, maybe it thinks it's off bounds or something | 16:54 |
| stevenm | and the dock has like 1 hdmi, 2 dp's (one mini one not) and 1 hdmi | 16:54 |
| stevenm | oh and a vga | 16:55 |
| stevenm | lol | 16:55 |
| vkareh | nice | 16:55 |
| vkareh | that vga sounds kinda useless there! ;) | 16:55 |
| vkareh | I guess for office projectors :P | 16:55 |
| stevenm | yeah but i'm using it - it's what DP-1-3 is | 16:55 |
| vkareh | hah, crazy okay | 16:55 |
| stevenm | tbh the monitor does hdmi too - but i cba find a cable yet | 16:55 |
| stevenm | i will when i can | 16:56 |
| stevenm | so what does this option do? does it compress a 3200x1800 image into the space of a 1600x900 ? | 16:56 |
| vkareh | ah, yeah my external is on HDMI, works fine with this script: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R9RPBmqyPD/ | 16:57 |
| vkareh | stevenm: yeah, pretty much | 16:57 |
| stevenm | and that is meant to look ok? | 16:57 |
| vkareh | that script works for a single monitor on top of the laptop | 16:57 |
| vkareh | stevenm: not really, if you compare before/after, the down-scaled monitor will look a bit off - different monitors look different, based on its tolerance (and yours, really). I'd say try it and see if it looks bad for you | 16:58 |
| vkareh | stevenm: for me, my external looks slightly less crisp than if it were just all non-HiDPI, but it's minor enough that having the HiDPI laptop makes up for it | 16:59 |
| stevenm | oh yeah when i move the cursor really slowly - you can see it blurring | 16:59 |
| vkareh | but again, ymmv | 16:59 |
| stevenm | that's what i've have expected | 16:59 |
| stevenm | so the GTK scaling... does that mean stuff which isn't written with GTK+ won't look right? | 17:00 |
| stevenm | and is that scaling done in the window manager (in my case, marco i think) | 17:00 |
| vkareh | this is one of the issues of using X11, which is a 30+ year-old display server... Wayland _should_ give us all the nice things and then some, when it works, but MATE is way too integrated with X11, so that'll be a while | 17:00 |
| vkareh | stevenm: not necessarily - GTK2 things will look bad, GTK3 things will look good, but there's a flag in gsettings to synchronize the settings with QT apps so that they scale along with GTK | 17:01 |
| stevenm | ok this sounds horrible already :) | 17:01 |
| stevenm | but i guess none of these gtk2/3/qt workarounds will be needed with wayland? | 17:01 |
| vkareh | stevenm: no, the scaling is done directly in GTK... marco scales itself based on the GTK scaling, as well as all GTK apps | 17:01 |
| vkareh | stevenm: not quite, Wayland only means that scaling can be done at the monitor level... the toolkit still needs to support HiDPI (which gtk2 does not) | 17:02 |
| stevenm | ok - i think i'm gonna opt for disabling hidpi | 17:03 |
| stevenm | i'm (hopefully) barely ever going to be looking at the laptop screen anyway | 17:03 |
| stevenm | my boss wants me on a laptop - but i hate laptops - which is why i have the dock so i can forget it is one | 17:03 |
| stevenm | i don't need 3 screens :P | 17:03 |
| vkareh | stevenm: yeah if you expect to use the monitors more than the laptop, that's probably the best idea... unfortunately | 17:03 |
| vkareh | hah | 17:03 |
| stevenm | whats the official way to turn off hidpi then? | 17:03 |
| vkareh | go to MATE Tweak and in the Windows section, set the HiDPI to "Regular" | 17:04 |
| stevenm | how do i undo this scaling xrandr first - just reset it as 1x2 ? | 17:04 |
| vkareh | stevenm: or run this in your terminal: `gsettings set org.mate.interface window-scaling-factor 1` (it's the same as the tweak window) | 17:05 |
| stevenm | *1x1 | 17:05 |
| vkareh | xrandr --output blah --auto (I think) | 17:05 |
| vkareh | or xrandr --output blah --scale 1x1 | 17:05 |
| stevenm | ok think that has worked | 17:07 |
| stevenm | hexchat looks bizzare with lots of gaps -but i'm guessing it'd need relaunching anyway | 17:08 |
| vkareh | stevenm: yeah, restarting hexchat usually fixes it for me :) | 17:08 |
| vkareh | stevenm: oooor.... tell your boss to get you two new shiny HiDPI monitors ;) | 17:12 |
| stevenm | vkareh, yeah i thought that too :) very tempted to just use the company ebay account | 17:30 |
| stevenm | anyway off home now | 17:30 |
| stevenm | thanks for the help vkareh :) | 17:30 |
| vkareh | stevenm: you're welcome! good luck :) | 17:33 |
| kriebz | I don't get tooltips (mouse over summary) on my System Monitor panel applet, and I don't know why | 20:24 |
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