[00:58] anyone getting issues of software updater disappearing? or when you open it up, it fails to load? [01:02] here's the pastebin https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xqsZZ5WydW/ [06:15] is there any issues with indicator icons being too big/oversized so that their top/bottom bits get cut off? [06:15] https://i.snag.gy/3S5V0I.jpg [06:16] e.g. if the program (in this case the nextcloud client) is is proving an image file larger than the area,... is the indicator applet meant to size it down - or is the thing that's trying to use the applet meant to do that?! is this is a bug with the indicator applet basically or the thing using it? === Scytale90 is now known as Scytale89 [16:43] hey so I've got a new laptop here which has a stupidly big resolution of 3200x1800 [16:43] so some in-built thing must realise this because it doubles the size of all the programs showing [16:44] some programs don't like this so look like big windows with tiny objects/text in them - but whatever i can live with that [16:44] i'm not sure what the technical term for this process is though [16:44] but what I have realised - is when i connect 2 x 1080p monitors (it's a thunderbolt 3 port that supports 2 monitors) - all the apps stay *double* sized - on the external monitors [16:44] stevenm: it's HiDPI, so this is GTK scaling [16:45] which looks crazy [16:45] ok so is there a way to say don't scale on the external monitors when a window is dragged over or opens on them? [16:45] stevenm: so, your monitors are _not_ HiDPI, but your laptop is. Scaling only works on the entire display, not on a per-monitor basis [16:46] sigh [16:46] stevenm: your options are: disable HiDPI when you connect the monitors, or use xrandr to scale the monitors down [16:46] right so when my boss is opposite me with his stupid surface book pro 2 and windows 10 - and i see it change the scale of the windows as he moves stuff around... [16:46] ... basically that's not doable in linux land yet? [16:47] stevenm: correct [16:47] so essentially make my laptop use 1600x900 (half the res) and disable hidpi and everything on all monitors will look normal? [16:47] stevenm: I have a HiDPI laptop and a single monitor attached to it, using xrandr to down-scale the monitor works for me - that way I get a HiDPI laptop display, and a normal monitor [16:48] stevenm: yes, that's option 1 [16:48] ok confused you just said you couldn't do it on a per monitor basis [16:48] stevenm: not from the GTK scaling itself, no - but you can trick the monitor into scaling itself down directly on X11 [16:49] I don't know if it will work on two monitors, though... [16:49] down scale the external monitor? [16:49] it should, but you would have issues with the position [16:49] yep [16:49] but it doesn't need down scaling - it's already at the right res of 1080p [16:49] just what is showing on it is double sized [16:49] i feel like i'm missing something here [16:50] stevenm: do something like `xrandr --output HDMI1 --scale 2x2` in your terminal (change the HDMI1 part with whatever device name your monitor is) and it will scale just that monitor [16:51] the problem is that when you do that, the position of the monitor gets all messed up, so you would need to do something like `xrandr --output eDP1 --pos 3840x1080` or something like that to get your laptop monitor to be in the "right" position [16:52] ok so that looks confusing [16:52] stevenm: really, it's a pain, unfortunately :/ [16:52] one monitor looks right now - and the other looks like it shows a section of the first at bad scaling [16:52] most people end up just lowering the laptop resolution to 1600x900 and be done with it :/ [16:52] original output from xrandr... https://pastebin.com/raw/Mvhszzf6 [16:53] stevenm: yeah, now try the same command but on the other monitor [16:53] so i ran... xrandr --output DP-2-1 --scale 2x2 [16:53] but if i run... xrandr --output DP-1-3 --scale 2x2 [16:53] xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 8192x8192 (desired size 8960x2160) [16:53] oh wow, okay that's unexpected [16:54] i could try other ports though - basically this laptop has a thunderbolt 3 40gbps connection to a dell dock [16:54] sorry I've never done two monitors at once, I'm wondering if it has to do with the position (notice how i'ts 5120x0 on DP-1-3, maybe it thinks it's off bounds or something [16:54] and the dock has like 1 hdmi, 2 dp's (one mini one not) and 1 hdmi [16:55] oh and a vga [16:55] lol [16:55] nice [16:55] that vga sounds kinda useless there! ;) [16:55] I guess for office projectors :P [16:55] yeah but i'm using it - it's what DP-1-3 is [16:55] hah, crazy okay [16:55] tbh the monitor does hdmi too - but i cba find a cable yet [16:56] i will when i can [16:56] so what does this option do? does it compress a 3200x1800 image into the space of a 1600x900 ? [16:57] ah, yeah my external is on HDMI, works fine with this script: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R9RPBmqyPD/ [16:57] stevenm: yeah, pretty much [16:57] and that is meant to look ok? [16:57] that script works for a single monitor on top of the laptop [16:58] stevenm: not really, if you compare before/after, the down-scaled monitor will look a bit off - different monitors look different, based on its tolerance (and yours, really). I'd say try it and see if it looks bad for you [16:59] stevenm: for me, my external looks slightly less crisp than if it were just all non-HiDPI, but it's minor enough that having the HiDPI laptop makes up for it [16:59] oh yeah when i move the cursor really slowly - you can see it blurring [16:59] but again, ymmv [16:59] that's what i've have expected [17:00] so the GTK scaling... does that mean stuff which isn't written with GTK+ won't look right? [17:00] and is that scaling done in the window manager (in my case, marco i think) [17:00] this is one of the issues of using X11, which is a 30+ year-old display server... Wayland _should_ give us all the nice things and then some, when it works, but MATE is way too integrated with X11, so that'll be a while [17:01] stevenm: not necessarily - GTK2 things will look bad, GTK3 things will look good, but there's a flag in gsettings to synchronize the settings with QT apps so that they scale along with GTK [17:01] ok this sounds horrible already :) [17:01] but i guess none of these gtk2/3/qt workarounds will be needed with wayland? [17:01] stevenm: no, the scaling is done directly in GTK... marco scales itself based on the GTK scaling, as well as all GTK apps [17:02] stevenm: not quite, Wayland only means that scaling can be done at the monitor level... the toolkit still needs to support HiDPI (which gtk2 does not) [17:03] ok - i think i'm gonna opt for disabling hidpi [17:03] i'm (hopefully) barely ever going to be looking at the laptop screen anyway [17:03] my boss wants me on a laptop - but i hate laptops - which is why i have the dock so i can forget it is one [17:03] i don't need 3 screens :P [17:03] stevenm: yeah if you expect to use the monitors more than the laptop, that's probably the best idea... unfortunately [17:03] hah [17:03] whats the official way to turn off hidpi then? [17:04] go to MATE Tweak and in the Windows section, set the HiDPI to "Regular" [17:04] how do i undo this scaling xrandr first - just reset it as 1x2 ? [17:05] stevenm: or run this in your terminal: `gsettings set org.mate.interface window-scaling-factor 1` (it's the same as the tweak window) [17:05] *1x1 [17:05] xrandr --output blah --auto (I think) [17:05] or xrandr --output blah --scale 1x1 [17:07] ok think that has worked [17:08] hexchat looks bizzare with lots of gaps -but i'm guessing it'd need relaunching anyway [17:08] stevenm: yeah, restarting hexchat usually fixes it for me :) [17:12] stevenm: oooor.... tell your boss to get you two new shiny HiDPI monitors ;) [17:30] vkareh, yeah i thought that too :) very tempted to just use the company ebay account [17:30] anyway off home now [17:30] thanks for the help vkareh :) [17:33] stevenm: you're welcome! good luck :) [20:24] I don't get tooltips (mouse over summary) on my System Monitor panel applet, and I don't know why