[11:02] <whiteboardfan> how do I contribute to xubuntu?
[11:04] <brainwash> this site explains how https://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[11:28] <whiteboardfan> hi, I read the xubuntu.com/contrib page and registed on the mailing list and lunchpad.  Now how do I get assigned something to do?  Just send an email to the mailing list?
[11:31] <whiteboardfan> I would like to help in the Documentation area for now
[11:33] <pmjdebruijn> whiteboardfan: usually people contribute changes they find useful themselves
[11:33] <pmjdebruijn> usually starting out with trivial stuff
[11:33] <pmjdebruijn> and building up from there
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> so if you think some of the documentation is lacking or has errors, you can correct or ammend that
[11:36] <pmjdebruijn> and again, start small, build up a working relationship with the core team, before chewing off something big
[11:37] <whiteboardfan> can you suggest something small that I might start at?
[11:38] <pmjdebruijn> no particularly
[11:38] <pmjdebruijn> participating in an open source project really isn't about getting assigned stuff
[11:38] <pmjdebruijn> this isn't school or business :)
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> just try to find something that you think is worth your time and attension
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> and/or stick around, maybe someone else has a suggestion
[11:40] <bluesabre> if you're interested in documentation, maybe review the existing docs and see if there is any outdated info, or something not documented well enough
[11:40] <bluesabre> there's plenty to do, and none of our stuff is really "complete" :)
[11:42] <bluesabre> and definitely stick around on the channel... our team is small but international. Some are asleep, at work, or going to bed. :)
[11:43] <bluesabre> so folks will be around with more info and suggestions
[11:44] <whiteboardfan> ok
[12:12] <brainwash> bluesabre: is this correct? I don't recall the panel icons being so faint https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=7f1ecefa802f073880024a57e9f440037123b368
[12:13] <brainwash> they used to be white (100%) and not greyish (80%)
[12:37] <TJ-> Grrr; xfce4-terminal ignores the --display= option
[13:05] <brainwash> ali1234: can you confirm that this one is actually a bug or limitation in xfwm? bug 1422626
[13:05] <brainwash> see the last comment
[13:09] <brainwash> just noticed that 18.10 does not have xfwm4 4.13 yet
[16:57] <ali1234> brainwash: i remember that bug but i don't remember what the problem was. we thought it was the terminal grid at first but it was demonstrated that wasn't the problem
[17:02] <brainwash> ali1234: a quick google search gives https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751368
[17:03] <brainwash> "This is admittedly a violation of the size increments, but something done for years by most window managers under X11.."
[17:04] <brainwash> well, not by his own xfwm
[17:44] <ali1234> the problem is that tiled wwindows are not maximized
[17:57] <brainwash> half-maximized then? :)
[21:47] <bluesabre> brainwash: yeah, that adapts for the panel's loss of transparency option, speaking of...
[21:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: is that intentional (removing panel transparency), or should greybird theme the panel to 80% opacity by default?
[21:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: the background-alpha setting was removed in the 4.13 panel in favor of gdkrgba colors (previously gdkcolor)
[21:49] <ochosi> greybird never did anything about panel transparency
[21:50] <ochosi> so the expectation with 4.13 is that themes set a default transparency and if the user wants to override that, he/she has to take the panel color with the color picker and make it transparent in the color selector
[21:51] <ochosi> (would have been a bit complicated to keep the opacity setting around while still switching to gdkrgba)
[21:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: alrighty, so to keep a transparent panel, should we make it 80% opaque at all times, or set the rgba?
[21:54] <bluesabre> the first option means everything is 80%, including icons and text
[21:54] <bluesabre> the second means that swapping themes doesn't change the panel
[21:57] <ochosi> enter/leave opacity is a bad idea
[21:57] <ochosi> that way the panel will just have low contrast
[21:57] <ochosi> hardcoding the rgba in our settings package might also not be great, because it would stick if people switch themes...
[21:58] <ochosi> so the best way is probably to set the opacity in greybird
[21:58] <ochosi> that way other themes will still look ok
[22:03] <ochosi> personally i'm not sure if it's a big loss not to have the 80% transparency by default anymore
[22:03] <ochosi> haven't had this setting myself in a long tim
[22:03] <ochosi> e
[22:03] <ochosi> knome: thoughts? ^
[22:03] <ochosi> in any case, the enter/leave stuff should be reverted imo: https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=7f1ecefa802f073880024a57e9f440037123b368
[22:04] <bluesabre> alrighty, np
[22:05] <ochosi> however now is a good time to decide
[22:05] <ochosi> UIF is only two days away if i'm not mistaken
[22:05] <ochosi> tomorrow in (or after) the meeting i'll tag elementary-xfce and greybird for upload
[22:05] <bluesabre> great :)
[22:05] <ochosi> got a last-minute fix from a contributor for pavucontrol
[22:05] <ochosi> finally it looks normal again...
[22:13] <bluesabre> woohoo