=== kostkon__ is now known as kostkon === yunhao94_ is now known as yunhao94 === mkv is now known as m4v === Tin^man is now known as Tin_man [01:03] when cupsd is running what sort of network printer does it discover is it only those configured behind another cupsd? === mkv is now known as m4v === mkv is now known as m4v [02:52] hello. is there a channel for linux steam users? [02:53] #gamingonlinux [02:53] dllbrt: ^ [02:53] ok, thanks [03:35] for apache2, what's the difference between /var/www/ and /var/www/html/ ? [03:40] "/var/www/html/" is default location for apache's single site [03:41] you can change setting set multiple site too like "/var/www/yoursite1" or "/var/www/yoursite2", but beware of correct permission [03:46] okay so if I'm installing multiples sites just stick to /var/www/ [03:46] if I delete /var/www/html does it break anything? [03:49] no [03:50] "/var/www/" is more conventional way and make sense to it, it linux you can do whatever you want [03:53] abdulhakeem_, http://localhost or 127.0.0.1 will probably error but unless you're developing a web app, i wouldn't worry about it [03:53] Why you want to delete it? [03:55] maybe he just want to do some experiment [03:56] it is a good practices [03:59] abdulhakeem_: right - 'www' is just the default apache 2 site, you can add more or delete them as you see fit. [04:01] Is there anyway to have more control on the emails? (something stronger than filers in thunderbird) e.g. print to pdf all emails from a specific sender. [04:28] I'm bad at reading bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644 [04:28] Launchpad bug 1624644 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Artful) "By default settings unattended-upgrade does not automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software" [High,In progress] [04:28] It says fixed in update-manager in xenial, but only fixed in unattended-upgrades in artful [04:29] I'm not sure what the difference is between those two things, all I know is that all of my 16.04 LTS installs fill their /boot partitions after a few months and it can be really annoying to try and fix [04:29] (since if you try to do apt-get autoremove manually it first tries to complete installation of the package that ran out of disk space, which fails because the volume is still full) === pav is now known as phd [04:57] is there a gnome version of kdenlive? === tarator85 is now known as tarator === yunhao94_ is now known as yunhao94 [06:19] i'm guessing the "recovery" parameter as given to the kernel when booting in recovery mode from grub boot options isn't really for the kernel, but for some script that runs during/right after boot? [06:25] is there some correct-ish way to make a new boot option? (18.04) === Scytale89_ is now known as Scytale89 [06:28] while editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg does *work*, it starts with "# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" and how it's auto generated from `grub-mkconfig`, so i guess that's not the correct-ish way [06:58] morning [07:05] hans_: correct way is to edit /etc/default/grub, or one of the files in /etc/grub.d/ [07:06] and then run sudo update-grub to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg === juboxi is now known as jubo2 [07:29] is there some way to tell apt-get that /var/lib/dpkg/lock is locked, because it's *my lock* ? [07:30] got a script that want to invoke apt-get, and that script needs to make sure nothing else is running apt-get at the same time [07:31] hans_, there is no need, apt-get use the lock just for that, to be sure only one instance is accessing and modifying the packages database [07:32] enzotib, well i suppose i could invoke apt-get, then parse the output of apt-get, and if the output includes the phrase "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) [07:32] " , then just re-invoke apt-get until it stops outputting that phrase? [07:32] because if i just invoke it normally without checking, and unattended-upgrades happens to run at that time, the script will fail [07:33] apt-get doesn't *wait for the lock to be freed*, it just exits with an error if it can't get the lock [07:33] hans_, I suppose it is a method [07:37] oh, apparently i can use aptdcon --install instead of apt-get install, aptdcon will wait until it can get the lock (unlike apt-get) [07:38] (according to https://askubuntu.com/a/231859/462413 ) === Richard is now known as Guest89543 [07:51] handbrake is a bit outdated on ubuntu [07:51] !latest | Tecan [07:51] Tecan: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [07:52] there are a few options that make the new gui better to use with presets [07:52] Tecan: there is also a hanbrake snap 1.1.1 if you want [07:52] like disabling subtitle check and encoding speed [07:53] what is hanbrake snap ? [07:54] ssssss [07:54] ddddd [07:54] !snap | Tecan [07:54] Tecan: Snaps are containerised software packages similar to flatpaks or appimage. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io [07:54] lynnzh: can we help you? [07:54] oh4, 1.1.2 is the latest 1.1.0 is what ubuntu has currently [08:03] !backports [08:03] If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging [08:20] sed: -e expression #1, char 60: unknown option to `s' [08:20] i get that error when i run the code `sed -ie "s/#c.NotebookApp.ip = 'localhost'/#c.NotebookApp.ip = '*'/g"~/.jupyter/jupyter_notebook_config.py` === beaver|jail is now known as beaver [08:50] add a space between the script and the file [09:01] Heloo [09:01] Hello === Krisostoomus is now known as KribuRoobom [09:09] Yo KribuRoobom [09:21] bitches, please e-mail me: kristjanrobam@hotmail.com. I am looking for an adventure. Am interested in licking your cunts. Please do it as soon as possible. Waiting for your letters. [09:23] HEllo [09:23] Is there anybody? [09:24] !ot | Kristjan121314 [09:24] Kristjan121314: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [09:31] bitches, please e-mail me: kristjanrobam@hotmail.com. I am looking for an adventure. Am interested in fucking and licking your cunts. Please do it as soon as possible. Waiting for your letters. [09:36] I'm on a intel nuc and the screen in inkscape doesn't redraw properly. Someone told me to change to modesetting-driver to solve it. How can I do this? [09:37] what precisely did they tell you empedokles78 ? [09:37] did they say to use nomodeset? [09:38] rory, only that he changed "intel" to modesetting-driver. [09:49] hi,If I want to move the sort of small icon in the ubuntu18.04 top bar, what should I modify? [09:51] switch edit mode of the panel and drag it I think Boxer-d [09:55] SimonNL: where can I find the "edit mode"? [09:56] right click your panel does that show a switch ? [09:56] does so on mint [09:57] https://imgur.com/a/LOrtFxx for example Boxer-d [09:58] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vSO071Jb/1.png [10:00] should right click on some spot on the panel that not taken yet [10:00] SimonNL: i means this ICON [10:01] you could try right clicking on the icon and see if it show something for moving [10:02] I tried. There was no menu. [10:02] Hey folks [10:05] Boxer-d: you might find the panel edit mode switch in the system settings, panel. I don't know how it exactly works in pure ubuntu [10:08] SimonNL: Okay, thank you. I'll try again later. [10:14] Hi, how can I get apt command ? [10:15] /bin/bash: apt: command not found === remy_ is now known as remy^ [10:23] amosbird: what Ubuntu version are you running? [10:24] rory: how can I find out ? [10:25] a few ways. tell me the output of this command: cat /etc/issue [10:25] sorry /etc/issue.net [10:25] I think the "apt" command was introduced in Ubuntu 16.04 [10:26] you can use "apt-get" on all versions anyway. you might not need the "apt" command [10:27] [root@chuhuangVM ~]# cat /etc/issue.net [10:27] \S [10:27] Kernel \r on an \m [10:27] [root@chuhuangVM ~]# [10:28] are you sure you're even on Ubuntu? [10:28] azure ubuntu [10:28] check this command: lsb_release -a [10:29] Description: Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS [10:29] command not found [10:29] tell me the Description line [10:29] what [10:29] I don't think you're on Ubuntu [10:29] do you have "apt-get" command? [10:29] yup === akem__ is now known as akem [10:29] use that instead of "apt" [10:29] or you might be able to "apt-get install apt" [10:31] can I just link apt-get to apt ? [10:31] are they equal ? [10:32] they are not equal. they do the same thing but the commands are different [10:32] why do you feel you need to use "apt" specifically? [10:32] does "apt-get install apt" work? [10:33] apt is already the newest version (1.3.5). [10:33] /usr/bin/apt [10:33] does that command work? [10:33] azure ubuntu server on microsoft [10:34] install Wine on it, we need to go deeper [10:34] https://azuremarketplace.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/apps/Canonical.UbuntuServer [10:35] rory, ^ don't know if that qualifies for support here [10:35] hmm [10:35] you know damn well #azure would send them here :P [10:35] amosbird: does the command work /usr/bin/apt [10:35] yup [10:36] no i don't [10:36] ok can you share the output of this command: echo $PATH [10:36] Are there any official plans for Ubuntu to abandon the whole Unity thing [10:36] and go back to a normal DE [10:36] no. [10:36] akin to Cinnamon [10:36] rory: thanks. I know what's wrong now [10:36] yep me too :) [10:36] Was that a no to my question [10:36] yes. [10:37] Aight. [10:37] Take a look at Ubuntu MATE [10:37] It's an official flavour now. [10:37] ya but I like to use the main flavor whenever possible [10:37] so I was hoping they'd abandon it [10:37] but I'll settle for a diff flavor for now [10:37] thanks for the info [10:37] kde/plasma ... [10:37] quxgyver, mate is cool and menu driven [10:38] that's my point, you aren't "settling" [10:38] coz_: That's fine. I just prefer to use whatever has the most community support. [10:38] Ubuntu MATE is a first-class citizen alongside Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu [10:38] ^^^^ [10:39] That still doesn't change the fact that you get the most and best support if you use the main flavor [10:39] hmm, what package should I install to get protoc-c ? [10:39] because there are obscure differences sometimes [10:39] bugs and such. [10:39] But I'm not complaining. Just saying. [10:39] quxgyver, you have , on mate, the added advantahe of using compiz-reloaded [10:39] advantage [10:40] Quick question, when using ctrl+r in a terminal to perform a back search, how do I move to the next/prev match? [10:40] That's cool. [10:41] Anthaas, ^R will jump to next (backwards) item (as I recall) [10:41] Anthaas: heh I always just set pgup/pgdn for history search in /etc/inputrc [10:42] I use zsh :) [10:43] Awesomely, you can also do the same in weechat! [10:44] guiverc_w: Thanks - is there anything to move in the opposite direction? [10:44] forward? [10:45] Sure, but I didn't use that term because he used the word next :) [10:45] :) [10:45] Anthaas, can't think of it at present.. (I rarely use it... i'm precise in search term usually) [10:47] Is there anyway to have more control on the emails? (something stronger than filers in thunderbird) e.g. print to pdf all emails from a specific sender. [10:49] mojtaba, glad to see you back,,I haven;t done anymore research on that, I am sure someone here might know at some point [10:50] never had the need... [10:50] coz_: hello [10:51] mojtaba, hey guy << assumtion :) [10:51] assumption [10:51] coz_: I took a look at mutt, but I am not sure if it is as flexible as thunderbird. (for sure it has more control over emails.) [10:51] mojtaba, i don't use thunderbird, but emails are really just text files, so you can script it (I've done it before & not to pdf; perl being my choice, but use whatever you like/know..) - sorry all i can think of (never tried anything else) [10:52] guiverc_w: Thunderbird has created a text file containing all emails for each folder. (e.g. inbox) [10:52] guiverc_w: I am not sure how to specify the beginning and end of the email addresses. [10:53] guiverc_w: What are you using for emails? (mutt, alphine, ..?) [10:53] yeah there are two major types of mail databases (single file per email, or combined) - but it's still text, a quick examination should give you clues (it's all I ever did, and I use evolution) [10:54] guiverc_w: thanks for the input. [10:54] mojtaba, yeah, it is definitely an interesting issue, If I find a solution, I will let you know, I am hoping someone here has a solution [10:54] coz_: yeah. thanks bro. [10:55] mojtaba, do you come by here often? [10:55] coz_: Yeah, I try to be connected. [10:55] excellent, I'll make a point of researching this [11:00] mojtaba, which email accounts, gmail? [11:03] Sometimes my gnome 3 freezing https://pastebin.com/XhPVELJd can you help me? [11:06] have to go.... === TheBloke- is now known as TheBloke [11:31] hmm does ubuntu have packages for protobuf ? [11:33] amosbird: 'apt search --names-only protobuf' [12:06] hi, I have a new VM with plain ubuntu 16.04. for some reason apt search libpam_cracklib shows me that there is a package with that name available. apt install libpam_cracklib fails because the packet can not be found. any idea how this happens and how to solve it? apt caches are up to date [12:08] it's reproducable on VMs at digital ocean as well.. [12:13] because it's libpam-cracklib with a - not a _ [12:13] I don't think _ is in any of the official package names [12:13] wtf.. [12:13] sorry. you are right. I just don't get how I could even make this mistake when I tested it manually [12:14] it's all good, I get to feel like I helped someone today without actually any effort [12:14] the real question is why does it show in the results when we search for libpam_cracklib [12:15] oh, you are right [12:15] it also comes up when you search for "libpam.cracklib" but not "libpamacracklib" [12:15] thought I ran the manual search commands with - instead of the _ and I just copied the _ from my ansible playbook and error message. but it shows the package even if I search for libpam_cracklib [12:15] Hi, question about package policy. If I have two servers with ubuntu 14 but one of them has been installed two years ago and the second one two days ago (so packages version can differ a lot) then I wanted to upgrade both of them, so upgrade should be the same? [12:15] it must be doing a slightly smart search [12:16] abyss: by "upgrade" do you just mean to install package updates? Or you mean to upgrade to a later Ubuntu version like 18.04 ? [12:17] What I mean is backward compatibility ;) during all lifecycle (lts) packages are backward compatibilites and such an upgrade should not break anything for both version or I can expect that the older ubuntu could brings some problems (for example needs to upgrade some sys configs)? [12:17] abyss: then yes, the two systems will have the same package versions. The point-releases of ubuntu such as 16.04.3, which you probably used to install the 2nd machine, just includes package updates in the iso [12:17] to save downloads later [12:17] oh [12:17] rory: just upgrade packages no upgrade to newer ubuntu or so:) [12:17] you will be fine to upgrade your super old system with a normal "apt-get upgrade" [12:18] so during all lifecycle I can assume all packages and minor version should be compatibile, right? [12:21] rory: I guess yes ;) Thank you for you answer. [12:24] I managed to install ubuntu manually as per this tutorial https://askubuntu.com/questions/616811/gnu-grub-terminal-instead-of-ubuntu-login-screen [12:24] But now when I boot to grub, I just get a command line interface [12:24] and if I want to boot, I have to do it manually, which results in a freeze when the kernel is loading [12:25] firelegend: do you have a live usb? [12:25] Yes [12:25] My goal is to Dual boot with Windows 10 on my laptop [12:25] boot it please [12:25] I am currently booted in the live usb environment [12:25] ok, right now you get grub> or grub rescue> ? [12:25] right now I am at the gui in the live cd [12:25] firelegend: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" [12:26] alright [12:26] paste the link it gives you here [12:26] Sorry, it seems I have to reboot again [12:26] I can't paste unfortunately [12:26] why's that? [12:26] if the output will be very big [12:26] I need to reboot because 18.04 seems to freeze [12:27] if I do not set acpi=off in the livecd [12:27] ok [12:28] Just waiting for it to boot. [12:28] Seems like whatever kernel 18.04 runs is outdated for my machine [12:29] maybe thats why it freezes without acpi=off [12:30] did you try any acpi_osi="Windows " trickery? [12:31] No, I have not. [12:31] Also with acpi=off the touchpad on the laptop does not work [12:31] without it, it works but the OS freezes [12:31] http://termbin.com/8wc2 [12:33] I've partitioned it as such, sda6 is ubuntu root, sda7 is swap and sda8 efi boot for ubuntu [12:33] firelegend: type "sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt" [12:33] alright [12:33] Done. [12:34] firelegend: "cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999" [12:35] http://termbin.com/8p3e [12:36] firelegend: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done" [12:36] alright [12:37] firelegend: then "sudo chroot /mnt" [12:37] Done [12:37] firelegend: "mount -a" [12:38] ok [12:38] Done [12:41] firelegend: ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999 [12:41] !ping [12:41] pong! [12:41] link? [12:41] firelegend: ? [12:45] Sorry was afk for a bit [12:45] going to run that command now [12:47] EriC^^: The nc command fails in the chroot environment [12:47] getaddrinfo specifically [12:48] hmm [12:48] but /boot/efi is total: 0 [12:50] firelegend: exit the chroot and type "sudo blkid /dev/sda*" [12:50] firelegend: exit the chroot and type "sudo blkid /dev/sda* | nc termbin.com 9999" [12:51] http://termbin.com/tnwj [12:51] oops, I didnt see the asterisk [12:51] http://termbin.com/njoh [12:53] firelegend: i got dc [12:53] there's a "*" at the end of sda [12:54] I managed to fix it [12:54] http://termbin.com/njoh [12:55] ok, fstab is using the sda3 as the efi partition [12:55] that is probably windows [12:55] windows efi [12:55] firelegend: yeah [12:56] firelegend: what does "ls -l /mnt/dev" give? [12:56] @leftyfb yes, i'm on vps (scaleway) sorry for very late reply. I just couldn't figure out why, I've tried with virtualbox, geoip in iptables works fine [12:56] http://termbin.com/obzh [12:58] firelegend: that looks good, what about "ls -l /mnt/run/resolvconf" [12:58] No such file [12:58] it says [12:59] try again "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done" [13:00] ok [13:00] No luck [13:01] still no such file [13:01] odd [13:01] maybe it's a version difference from mine [13:01] Thank you for your help. [13:01] is "ls -l /run/resolvconf" also no such dir? [13:01] I will actually be afk for a while [13:01] Maybe we could continue later on? [13:01] ok sure no problem [13:02] Thank you. [13:35] hi guys I am getting "Segmentation fault [13:35] " and was wondering how to check for it [13:41] baako: where are you getting that? [13:41] console [13:41] after what? [13:41] php artisan db:seed [13:42] php laravel artisan command [13:42] oh [13:42] if nobody knows here might be worth it to ask in #php as well [13:43] I want to know where the core dump is and how to read it [13:43] What kind of tests are done to certify a laptop? https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201803-26136/ [13:44] EriC^, the php guys point me here === MechWarrior234 is now known as WesleyJackson [14:17] why is the wx_baseu_core library not included in the ubuntu package? [14:17] or in other words where can i find it? [14:20] ppf: apt-cache search libwxbase [14:20] none of those results contain what you need? [14:21] no === WesleyJackson is now known as MechWarrior234 === MechWarrior234 is now known as WesleyJackson [14:21] there's a _net and an _xml library, but not _core or _aui that are searched for by cmake [14:22] hi, which version of ubuntu comes with gnome desktop environment? [14:22] lolcat-007: it's installable on all of them === BrAsS_mOnKeY is now known as g2` [14:24] ppf, i mean by default [14:35] i found a version of ubuntu with gnome but it is supported until april 2019 [14:36] "but"? [14:36] lolcat-007: Ubuntu 18.04 that you get from going to ubuntu.com is supported till 2023 [14:37] leftyfb, that one comes with gnome [14:37] ? [14:38] lolcat-007: yes. 2nd result on google for "ubuntu 18.04" https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/ubuntu-18-04-the-return-of-a-familiar-interface-marks-the-best-ubuntu-in-years/ [14:38] sorry, 3rd result [14:39] leftyfb, ok great [14:39] :) [14:42] leftyfb, do you know how to make xt_geoip works with iptables in vps setting? i've tried changing the vps bootscript still the same outcome [14:43] complib2891: I answered you yesterday when you asked but you left [14:44] complib2891: you're running an outdated kernel on your VPS with no option to run anything else. Contact your VPS for support with their shared kernel. You're not running a supported version of ubuntu. [14:49] yes, i'm terribly sorry for leaving yesterday. I'll contact their support and proceed from there. Thank you for your input. Appreciate it a lot. xt_geoip just works so well on supported kernel... thanks again. === gr33n7007h is now known as al2o3-cr === Guest92704 is now known as LeoR [15:13] .buffer 2 [15:13] sorry, mt [15:19] what package replaces gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 in ubuntu cosmic? [15:19] https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 [15:19] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gstreamer&searchon=names&suite=cosmic§ion=all [15:24] bencc, ubuntu-restricted-addons but just guessing [15:24] ioria: I think mp3 is included in gstreamer1.0-plugins-good package in 18.10 [15:24] thanks [15:32] alright guys, I am completely stumped. I have an ubuntu machine joined to a domain using sssd. If i browser \\to\the\path through dolphin, I can access the share fine. But when i attempt to add it to fstab, I just get errors. The fstab entry looks like this: \\path.org\folder\to\share /mount/point/on/machine cifs user,domain=contoso.com,username=username,password=password,sec=krb5,vers=3.0 00 === WesleyJackson is now known as MechWarrior234 [15:33] @samba [15:33] #samba [15:34] bane500: I've never tried, but does Ubuntu have a package named 'authconfig-tui' in the repos? [15:35] hmmm not sure [15:35] What does this authconfig-tui package do? :O [15:36] Woops, my mistake. [15:36] I'll bring it over to samba [15:36] strive: i don't think it does. [15:45] How can i make dkms not ask me to disable secureboot? [15:45] Basically: if module isn't signed -> screw the module [15:49] Because every time i update and get a kernel now I end up with this non-killable UI which demands that i set a password to fiddle with my bios on next boot, if i force-kill it dpkg fails configuration.. I don't want to disable secureboot because of a kernel-module, I want secureboot to always be enabled and then fix the module's signature if i feel like it's worth trusting it. [15:49] cetex, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS [15:51] alright. so there is no option to not allow it to sign stuff arbitrarily? [15:52] either you give it access to enroll a new key, or you give it a key, or you're screwed? === akem__ is now known as akem [15:57] cetex: why not just disable secureboot? You know it doesn't actually provide much in the way of security [15:58] I need to have it enabled because company policy. [15:58] bad policy [15:58] And what is it that it doesn't help against? [15:58] cetex: that ui doesn't actually disable secure boot, it just disables module verification [15:59] (software can't disable secure boot) [15:59] Sure. I still don't want it to touch it. [16:03] cetex: secureboot only prevents installing an OS without a signed key as well as prevents anything in the running OS from modifying boot loaders and such. Mainly with Windows OS's. Not much in the way of linux based OS's. [16:04] alright. so then i should probably drop the default key and just setup my own. [16:04] and it's already been breached a couple years ago [16:18] my ubuntu freezes randomly [16:18] how to troubleshoot it? [16:18] freezes and doesn't unfreeze, so I have to restart [16:18] happens once a day on average. [16:19] can you do ctrl-alt-f3 ? [16:19] when it freezes? [16:24] never tried but good idea [16:25] from there try to log in, then look at "xorg" log and dmesg [16:27] quiltbitch: another option is to SSH to the machine and leave "top" running... when the machine freezes, you can check the other machine to see what process is spiking [16:30] maybe another one with tailf /var/log/syslog ... [16:36] I have heard that it is wrong to defrag ssd disks manually. Is this correct? And why it does not go wrong when partitioning? [16:38] coconut: Linux file systems (Ext2, Ext3, Ext4, ZFS, JFS, etc) do not require defraging. Defragmenting a disk is a Windows specific problem. [16:38] coconut: Defragmenting a drive is not the same as partitioning a drive [16:39] coconut: There is no need to defrag SSDs. To defrag make sense on HDDs where you can minimize the distance the write head has to travel. No moving parts - no need to defrag. If you defrag you wear it down a litte cause of unnecessary read/write actions [16:42] pragmaticenigma: i know the difference, but i installed a defrag app once and this crashed my os, which made me to think that is wrong to do this on ssd's. (this was on macos though) [16:42] coconut: SSDs do not store data in the same manner as a spinning platter style disk. [16:43] SSDs store their information in electronic cells. Spinning paltter disks store their data using special magnetically sensitve material. So one uses physical means to store data, The other (SSD) is purely digital using electricity to store data. [16:45] Defragging an SSD is bad, because all it does is force the "bits" of the data to be moved around. SSDs do not store data contiguously, they purposefully store their data "sparsely" so that all cells of the drive get used in fairly even way to prevent early failure of the drive. [16:46] SSDs are efficient enough that defragging only causes extra wear on the drive and significantly shortens their life span [16:52] coconut: Here's a really good article that explains why defragging a SSD is bad: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2047513/fragging-wonderful-the-truth-about-defragging-your-ssd.html [16:53] coconut: but the short of it is... don't defrag a SSD... it's only going to shorten its life [16:56] pragmaticenigma: it goes a little far for me... but what is the difference between partitioning and defragmenting? It doesn't both move files the same way i guess? [16:56] coconut: they're not even comparable [16:57] i see [16:57] coconut: deframenting is moving bytes within your filesystem around in a certain order [16:57] partitioning is creating sections of your drive to be formatted .. literally the definition of partition [16:59] hi [16:59] I am trying to access my Google Accounts on newly installed Ubuntu [17:01] All is fine until I reach the screen "Make sure you trust GNOME", I click "Allow", and then the screen is blocked [17:01] leftyfb: and... with partitioning moving the files are moved just like they are normally moved? [17:02] any idea what to do? [17:02] coconut: Partitioning is something you typically do before you add files to a drive. [17:03] pragmaticenigma: for file system, [17:03] actually the whole control center is blocked [17:03] coconut: So files are not moved during partitioning. If you are patitioning a live disk, files aren't moved in the conventional sense. The partitioning software tells the drive controller to reallocate space, first by shrinking the existing partition, and then creating the new partition in the newly unallocated space. [17:05] ok, thank you all three. :) [17:05] trying to run openvpn in lxc on ubuntu bionic on pve 5.2. I've added lxc.cgroup.devices.allow: c 10:200 rwm to the config but I can't work out how to make it automatically create /dev/net/tun at startup. it works if I create it manually. results on google talk about using autodev hook, but ubuntu mount /dev as tmpfs so that doesn't work. so I guess I probably need an ubuntuish solution. I@ve also found stuff suggesting using rc.local, but [17:05] that seems... a bit last century [17:05]