[00:21] <flocculant> ochosi: seen 2 people complaining about that so far
[06:03] <ochosi> flocculant: about the lack of transparency in the panel you mean?
[07:11] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[07:45] <knome> hmm.
[07:46] <knome> ochosi, will that mean there is no possibility to get transparency on panel?
[07:46] <knome> i'm a bit lost on what this whole discussion even relates to
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[13:15] <ochosi> knome: no, the mechanism changed from 4.12 to 4.13
[13:17] <ochosi> previously it was a setting, now you have to either set a custom background color or define it in the theme
[13:18] <ochosi> setting a custom background color is not good for distributors, as it will have effect with any theme
[13:19] <ochosi> so we can only define this mraningfully in greybird
[13:52] <knome> right...
[13:52] <knome> and the user can't change that setting?
[13:52] <knome> i mean, without changing the theme or custom bg color?
[13:52] <knome> which requires, i assume, editing a file?
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[18:15] <brainwash> just noticed this new bug in 18.10 https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14685
[18:16] <brainwash> also in xfdesktop's context menu
[20:44] <ochosi> knome: the user can change the bg with the panel dialog still
[20:44] <ochosi> but yes, there is no global transparency setting anymore that is isolated from the custom color selection
[21:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: just tagged a new greybird release for you: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.22.9
[21:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: and a new elementary-xfce release: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/v0.13
[21:36] <ochosi> all just in time for UIF
[21:37] <ochosi> sorry that i won't make it to the meeting tonight
[21:37] <ochosi> i know it starts soon but i direly need the sleep
[21:37] <ochosi> tried to take care of the basics for the next release, let's see if we can still squeeze a xfce4-settings release in
[21:37] <ochosi> other than that i don't have many updates
[21:38] <ochosi> (btw, the greybird release includes an 80% transparent panel)
[21:39] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, annoying, i also noticed https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14685
[21:39] <ochosi> i guess we can only hope the glib patch makes it into 18.10
[21:39] <ochosi> (or we have to poke ubuntu devs to include/cherrypick it)
[21:40] <ochosi> night everyone!
[21:42] <ochosi> oh, and one thing i haven't pulled into elementary-xfce is the new thunderbird icon
[21:42] <ochosi> please lemme know if we want/need that
[21:44] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:45] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks for the releases
[21:51] <Spass> just a user's opinion - new Thunderbird icon is too flat and IMHO the current one fits elementary better :)
[22:00] <bluesabre> but it does match firefox better :)
[22:00] <bluesabre> !team | Starting the meeting in a few
[22:01] <bluesabre> (running a bit behind, getting notes together)
[22:02] <bluesabre> Suppose I can go ahead and kick it off
[22:02] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[22:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 13 22:02:08 2018 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[22:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[22:02] <bluesabre> Who's here? :)
[22:02] <krytarik> o/
[22:03] <slickymaster> hey you two
[22:04] <bluesabre> hey krytarik, slickymaster 
[22:04] <bluesabre> welcome :)
[22:04] <bluesabre> #chair krytarik
[22:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik
[22:04] <bluesabre> #chair slickymaster
[22:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik slickymaster
[22:05] <bluesabre> Might be a quiet meeting
[22:06] <slickymaster> yep
[22:06] <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
[22:06] <slickymaster> we're the only ones around, apparently
[22:06] <bluesabre> #subtopic bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged
[22:07] <slickymaster> your floor bluesabre, go for it
[22:07] <bluesabre> Sadly, no updates here at this point. There's one person who handles these patches... and he hasn't been interested in doing them. We might look at the minimal ubiquity option that the other flavors adopted in 18.04.
[22:07] <bluesabre> #info No progress on merging Xubuntu Core at this time
[22:07] <slickymaster> sad news
[22:07] <bluesabre> #action xubuntu-team to discuss minimal ubiquity install option
[22:07] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-team to discuss minimal ubiquity install option
[22:08] <bluesabre> Might be all we can do for this at this time
[22:08] <slickymaster> are you thinking in taking this to the m/l?
[22:08] <bluesabre> Yeah, going to have to
[22:08] <slickymaster> right
[22:08] <bluesabre> Hard to herd the whole team at once :)
[22:08] <krytarik> #nick xubuntu-team
[22:09] <bluesabre> ... And that's it for open action items.
[22:09] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:09] <bluesabre> Hope you are all ready to start wrapping up this cycle...
[22:09] <bluesabre> #info Feature Freeze was on August 23rd
[22:09] <bluesabre> #info User Interface Freeze is today
[22:09] <bluesabre> #info Documentation String Freeze is September 20th
[22:09] <bluesabre> #info Beta Freeze is September 24th
[22:09] <bluesabre> :D
[22:10] <bluesabre> #info In case you want to see updates from August, I documented quite a few on my blog, https://bluesabre.org/2018/09/07/xubuntu-development-update-september-2018/
[22:10] <bluesabre> (not intentionally a plug)
[22:10] <bluesabre> Anybody else have any updates or announcements?
[22:11] <slickymaster> nothing here
[22:11] <bluesabre> krytarik: ?
[22:11] <bluesabre> lurkers?
[22:11] <krytarik> Nööö!
[22:11] <bluesabre> :D
[22:11] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[22:11] <bluesabre> #subtopic Update on Xfce 4.13 plans
[22:12] <bluesabre> #info So far, we've added the following Xfce 4.13 components to Cosmic: thunar, xfdesktop4, xfce4-panel, xfce4-screenshooter, xfce4-settings, xfconf, xfce4-taskmanager, xfce4-terminal
[22:12] <bluesabre> (thanks Unit193 for all the work)
[22:12] <bluesabre> There's probably more, but that's a good list to work from for testing
[22:12] <slickymaster> yes, a handful :)
[22:13] <Spass> bluesabre, one question - any news about the GTK3 bug with scrolling lists in new xfce4-settings?
[22:14] <bluesabre> Spass: nothing yet. I still need to get that forwarded to the GTK bug tracker.
[22:14] <bluesabre> It's annoying, so I am totally ready to get it fixed
[22:14] <bluesabre> :D
[22:15] <bluesabre> #subtopic QA Plans for Cosmic and DD (flocculant)
[22:15] <bluesabre> flocculant isn't around... so I'll leave this to him to get this communication out one way or another :)
[22:15] <bluesabre> #nick flocculant
[22:16] <bluesabre> #action flocculant to communicate QA Plans for Cosmic and DD
[22:16] <meetingology> ACTION: flocculant to communicate QA Plans for Cosmic and DD
[22:16] <slickymaster> yep, better postpone this one
[22:16] <bluesabre> #subtopic Open discussion
[22:16] <bluesabre> Anything folks want to discuss or questions need asked?
[22:19] <bluesabre> Easy meeting :D
[22:19] <slickymaster> you got lucky bluesabre :P
[22:19] <bluesabre> #topic AOB
[22:19] <Spass> probably too late to add it to cosmic, but I think that reconfiguring Atril's Toolbar would be a good thing, like adding some additional elements to it, like Search
[22:19] <bluesabre> (what's AOB mean?)
[22:20] <bluesabre> Spass: it's not too late. Feel free to submit a bug report on LP and link it here so we can consider it
[22:20] <bluesabre> :)
[22:20] <Spass> ok, great
[22:20] <bluesabre> (doesn't have to be squeezed into this meeting)
[22:20] <bluesabre> "AOB" means "Any other business"
[22:20] <bluesabre> educational meeting :)
[22:20] <slickymaster> lol
[22:21] <bluesabre> So, anything else?
[22:21] <slickymaster> nothing from mr
[22:21] <slickymaster> me even
[22:21] <ondondil> Is there a possibility for change in default custom commands in whisker menu? I think adding something like catfish --path=~ --start %s would be nice because whisker menu lacks file search functionality
[22:21] <bluesabre> ondondil: certainly :)
[22:22] <bluesabre> same thing I said for Spass, feel free to file a bug report against xubuntu-default-settings so we can consider it
[22:22] <Spass> will do
[22:22] <ondondil> Okay, thanks
[22:22] <bluesabre> :)
[22:22] <bluesabre> anything else?
[22:24] <bluesabre> alllllrighty :)
[22:24] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[22:24] <bluesabre> slickymaster: I actually stole this meeting slot from you... would you like to schedule a docs meeting soonish?
[22:24] <slickymaster> sure thing, bluesabre 
[22:25] <bluesabre> excellent
[22:25] <bluesabre> #action slickymaster to schedule next meeting
[22:25] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster to schedule next meeting
[22:25] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[22:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 13 22:25:16 2018 UTC.  
[22:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-09-13-22.02.moin.txt
[22:25] <bluesabre> Thanks everyone who joined in :)
[22:25] <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre 
[22:27] <Spass> thanks blue, btw, great job with your dev blog posts lately, very informative for a curious user like me
[22:30] <bluesabre> Spass: sure thing... they're fun to write and help me remember what we've done :)
[22:30] <bluesabre> Minutes updated at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:33] <bluesabre> Gotta push out package updates for elementary-xfce, greybird-gtk-theme, xubuntu-artwork, and xubuntu-default-settings tonight for UIF, fun stuff
[22:36] <Spass> is the new wallpaper for cosmic ready?
[22:37] <bluesabre> don't think so
[22:37] <bluesabre> so UIFe on that if we'er doing one (knome?)
[22:38] <Unit193> Well, here now.
[22:40] <bluesabre> hi Unit193 
[22:40] <bluesabre> Welcome to the after-meeting
[22:40] <bluesabre> :D
[22:41] <bluesabre> Getting ready to run out now... do you have the updated packaging for elementary-xfce?
[22:41] <bluesabre> bbabl
[22:45] <Unit193> Yeah, pretty simple though.
[22:57] <knome> bluesabre, yeah, i can do the UIFe paperwork
[22:57] <knome> i have something drafted, but not good to go yet..
[22:57] <knome> and with that, good night!
[22:58] <krytarik> G'night!