=== pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [09:25] Allаһ iѕ ԁoinɡ [10:02] Ꭺⅼlаh iѕ doinɡ [10:41] Allaһ is doiᥒg [10:41] sᥙn іѕ ᥒot doiᥒg Aⅼⅼɑh is ⅾoing [11:11] Allɑh іѕ dοіnɡ [11:23] Allah iѕ dоіᥒg [11:23] sᥙᥒ ⅰs ᥒot ԁоiᥒɡ Αⅼlaһ ⅰѕ dοing [11:45] Ꭺⅼlah is dഠⅰᥒg [12:29] Aⅼlah іs ⅾoіng === mkv is now known as m4v === Fuchs_ is now known as Guest2197 [14:01] Aⅼⅼaһ is ⅾഠing [14:01] ѕ∪n is ᥒot dⲟinɡ Aⅼⅼah ⅰѕ doiᥒg [14:01] mഠon ⅰs ᥒοt ⅾοіnɡ Alⅼah ⅰs ԁoing [15:08] Aⅼⅼаһ is dഠinɡ [15:16] Allah is ԁοiᥒɡ [15:16] ѕ∪ᥒ is nഠt ԁοіng Αllɑh is ԁoiᥒɡ [15:16] moon is nഠt doiᥒg Ꭺⅼⅼah ⅰs doing [15:30] Alⅼaһ іs dⲟing [15:30] suᥒ iѕ ᥒоt ԁoіng Аⅼⅼаh iѕ dഠiᥒɡ [18:55] Alⅼaһ is ⅾoiᥒg [21:14] is this the place where we report ubuntu ops abuse? [21:20] I guess you could [21:22] one of a ops in #ubuntu-ops told me to contact to irc council to report issue [21:22] this this the place [21:27] murthy: The more appropriate channel would be #ubuntu-irc-council as described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess which was linked from the topic of #ubuntu-ops ( and which was suggested to you) [21:27] Try emailing them at ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com [21:27] thank you [21:28] actually irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com [21:28] ok I will contact them [21:33] genii: can you change the name of the bot in ubuntu-unregged? [21:34] murthy: No, I can only edit it's factoids. [21:34] ( if it has any ) [21:35] genii: can you check the factoids of the bot and tell me if it is appropriate? [21:35] Your question is badly formed [21:36] Factoids are what the bot responds with when you query it with ! [21:36] genii: sorry, i thought it as description [21:38] genii: can you check the bot's name and description and tell me if its appropriate? [21:39] what is wrong with ubot93 [21:39] murthy: Bot names are at the discretion of the moderator who operates the bot. [21:39] jeremy31: Its named "Drone" [21:40] genii: Is there any guide lines to name a bot? [21:40] That is a good bot, spam killer [21:40] jeremy31: have you checked the description ? [21:41] murthy: The guideline is the same as what names we would allow or not allow in any of our channels, eg: family friendly [21:41] psychotic killer robot? [21:41] jeremy31: ya [21:41] is that family friendly? [21:42] Since it kills spam, seems appropriate [21:42] omg [21:42] everyone is ok will the word killer robot [21:42] How many people are going to go through and look at all that [21:43] murthy: i'm not ok with the word killer robot [21:43] Also a nick such as PsychoticKillerRobot for a user would be allowed in the #ubuntu spaces. [21:43] I feel the word Drone itself is not welcoming [21:43] murthy: ..because it's two words, actually [21:43] :) [21:43] [21:43] wxl: ya [21:43] wxl: thank you [21:43] murthy: other than that, i'm indifferent [21:44] they certainly don't call the executioner "mr. happy man" [21:45] genii: a user can have a name as that, but not for official purposes [21:45] wxl: :'D [21:45] "Drone" is also appropriate as it's name twofold, since it operates autonomously, plus it tends to drone on about registering to be able to join the main channels [21:46] genii: be honest, what comes to your mind when you think of drones [21:46] i think of bees [21:46] bees [21:46] flying things that take photos [21:47] I think bees are winning [21:48] hobbyist aviation is the other thing i tend to think of [21:48] along with the idea, as aforementioned, of "droning on" [21:49] I just played the word association game with my wife. Asked her what she thought of when you say "drone" [21:49] "Those flying tings that people use to take photos of buildings" [21:49] So bees aren't winning anymore! hah! [21:49] merriam-webster says bee https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone [21:50] oxford says sound https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/drone [21:50] oxford says noise, and bees come third for nouns.. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/drone [21:50] cambridge agrees https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/drone [21:51] wait, there's a cambridge dictionary!? [21:51] I am not sure what a bot has listed for a real name has to do with op abuse [21:52] the faa certainly doesn't imply any particularly nefarious behavior even when we are talking about unmanned aircraft systems https://www.faa.gov/uas/ [21:54] I know people with Drone for a last name [21:55] is this channel logged? [21:55] maybe they should change it [21:55] see topic murthy [21:59] this is part of the growing trend, people have run out of superlatives, now they have started using the words like nuke eg.,"nuke initramfs" cutting edge has become bleeding edge then it will become oozing edge [22:00] that seems reasonably true, murthy, but has nothing to do with "drone" [22:01] they haven't run out of superlatives, someone else just registered them all first [22:01] Also, cultural references. "nuke it from orbit" is a common phrase among fans of a particular film series. [22:02] and actually cultural references can be problematic. i intentionally will not say "drink the kool-aid" [22:02] I won't say that either, but that's because I don't know what it is :) [22:03] well, in general it refers to the idea of following along with the lead [22:03] being a sheep, in other words [22:03] I know what it means I've just never seen "kool aid", it's not a thing here [22:03] but it's actually a reference to the jonestown massacre. jim jones, a cult leader, in desperation because everyone was coming down on him, had all his followers drink kool-aid with poison in it [22:04] including children, the elderly. it was terrible. [22:04] but also a long time ago, as genii said. [22:06] Not here, but yes. I'm ancient enough to remember it. [22:09] i am thinking of writing a letter to mark shuttleworth asking about some clarification regarding bot naming [22:10] So Drone is bad? [22:10] it might be more appropriate to contact the community council, murthy [22:10] not appropriate [22:11] I'll see him on Monday, I'll ask him myself. [22:11] wxl: one of the accused is member of the council, i dont think the hearing will be fair [22:12] popey: thanks [22:12] murthy: one of the bots is a member of the council? you're aware that there's more than one member? and that mark's part of it? [22:12] murthy Just a member of the council? [22:12] While I wouldn't put words in his mouth, I can guess what he will say. [22:13] wxl: its not the bot, its the creator [22:13] The CC has delegated responsibility to the IRC Council for these issues, and the process starts there. [22:13] murthy: i'm pretty sure the creator of drone is not on the community council [22:13] If you're not happy with the results of discussion with the IRC Council, then the Community Council is the next step. [22:14] murthy and the creator of that bot has done a lot lately to keep the spam here to a minimum, if you want to volunteer your time, feel free [22:16] jeremy31: i understand his contribution to the community and appreciate that, but the naming, i cant accept [22:16] popey: thanks for the info [22:38] I just spoke to one of the council member, I asked for his personal opinion of the matter, he says he is also about the photography and bees. I am dismayed. [22:43] murthy should I ban this guy because of his name? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2401195 [22:44] jeremy31: no [22:44] jeremy31: he is an individual not a bot [22:47] So how is that any different than an individual that names a bot? [22:49] imagine how it would seem if a person sitting in helpdesk or a reception in a place named Drone(Psychotic killer robot) [22:50] what if the bot is named like Helperbot [22:50] but drone is in either position [22:50] s/is/is not/ [22:50] And if you are the only one to report it, it will likely be ignored [22:51] jeremy31: yes that correct [22:55] again, i bring up the executioner [22:55] they call them..... the executioner [22:56] capital punishment is getting abolished throughout the wold [22:57] that's beside the point [22:57] *world [22:57] still called execution where it exists [22:57] including in the US [22:57] and they're not getting rid of it because they don't like what it's called [22:57] it's not that they're renaming it [23:00] but he is named the executioner not executioner(Psychotic killer person) [23:00] If is named like that then there will be descent [23:01] And the only people that will see Psychotic killer robot are the ones seeing joins/parts or snooping [23:01] but you've been arguing about drone [23:01] not so much about the realname [23:01] * wxl pretty much ignores joins/parts as a rule [23:05] I saw the name Drone first, asked about it in ubuntu channel, a person told that "Drone is also the term used for autonomous worker, and is used in all #ubuntu channels. offense to others was never the intention", then I did whois on the bot name and I saw the description of the name and it clearly displays violence . [23:05] i'm pretty sure drone was born back in the days before military drones were even a thing [23:06] you're assuming too much [23:08] why not use the word bee instead of drone then? [23:09] it's meant to refer to autonomy [23:09] why not use psycho spam killing robot [23:10] why not just spam blocker or spam shield ? [23:12] murthy it likely does more than spam, only the creator knows for sure and I don't want to bother him as long as I don't have to see that stupid allah is doing spam [23:14] jeremy31: what? [23:14] murthy, you haven't seen the spam lately? [23:15] jeremy31: just saw once, what happened? [23:16] murthy, I know it has happened here at least 3 times today [23:16] murthy: earlier you said that if an executioner was called "psychotic killer robot," there would be complaints. you realize that no one else has complained about this besides you? [23:16] wxl: yes I am aware of that [23:16] jeremy31: oh [23:16] Actually 7 times on this channel alone [23:17] jeremy31: So those name and words are some kind of a scare crow? [23:17] murthy It is still an experiment, as the end result is a K-Line for the spammer [23:23] jeremy31: that spammer had his nick as allah? [23:28] murthy the spammers use different nicks and IP addresses [23:28] From just a minute ago on another channel- SunTsu20 has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) [23:29] murthy look at https://botbot.me/freenode/reddit-dev/2018-08-01/?tz=America/Chicago [23:39] Aⅼⅼah is dοіᥒɡ [23:41] murthy see that? [23:44] Can you guess who created Sigyn? === murthy is now known as phoenix_firebrd_ === phoenix_firebrd_ is now known as murthy