[00:20] <SnoopyDoggy> I'm back
[00:21] <pragmaticenigma> SnoopyDoggy: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[00:31] <leosemilie> How to turn on hibernate option with cryptswap?
[00:34] <SnoopyDoggy> pragmaticenigma, nope,
[00:34] <Tin_man> SnoopyDoggy, you might be back, but from when?
[00:34] <SnoopyDoggy> just a hello to the chat
[00:34] <SnoopyDoggy> Tin_man, from biking lol
[00:34] <pragmaticenigma> SnoopyDoggy: this isn't a chat channel. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic for discussion and general chat
[00:35] <SnoopyDoggy> pragmaticenigma, i know relax
[01:28] <Something1> Happy Saturday and Sunday everyone! I was wondering if it´s possible to have the installer install an additional package during installation of the Ubuntu 18.04 desktop. Is that possible?
[02:20] <magic_ninja> what is the default x session in ubuntu, I'm trying to vnc into a raspberry pi
[02:24] <guiverc> Something1, to include an additional package, or script to download it would cause checksums to be invalid, so you'd be spinning your own ISO and no longer be using an official Ubuntu.  I'm aware of lots of scripts that do this (created by distros based on Ubuntu usually) - but I suspect it's not what you are after...
[02:34] <Something1> guiverc, ah not what I am after no. Thanks for the information though. I was looking to include zstd into the installed system so I could use it right away with the btrfs compression. Now I have to reboot first
[02:58] <JPSman> howdy ho
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning JPSman
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you?
[03:05] <JPSman> Do you happen to know the packing efficiency of hyperspheres in 9 dimensions? :OP
[03:05] <JPSman> Nothing :)
[03:06] <Kwizats> A hypersphere is a 4D object, so in any dimension higher than that, packing efficiency is 100%
[03:07]  * Kwizats shuts up and returns to the topic at hand - silence
[03:10] <JPSman> Kwizats, :OP
[03:11] <JPSman> Kwizats, hyperspheres also refer to spheres in higher dimensions :OP
[03:15] <Lord_British> i'm tryng create a bootable usb uefi but my bios don't recognize it
[03:15] <Lord_British> dd just write and ignore efi partitition
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> Lord_British: are you trying to singleboot or dualboot ubuntu?
[03:18] <Lord_British> singleboot live ubuntu
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> Lord_British: did you disable fastboot & secureboot?
[03:19] <Lord_British> yes
[04:15] <bane500> Has anyone here ever used autofs
[05:07] <madLyfe> if i delete something from a drive that is not the OS drive, either a share or other internal(mounted) drive, does it like copy over to my OS drives trash?
[05:38] <R13ose> How come I am not able to play some html5 or flash videos in opera?
[05:45] <guiverc> madLyfe, i think it depends on how deleted; as I'm usually at bash/cli, I have no safety net beyond my backups (where applicable).  if using gui file manager, some of my shares have trash, yet other file.managers do not use trash (which could be my config/setup; I've never explored as I prefer term anyway)
[05:47] <madLyfe> ya it seems like the deleted items are sent to trash on my OS drive. at least its shows them there and they appear to take up 'space'. there is a total space of all of the files and where they originated from listed in the file manager.
[06:22] <JimBuntu> R13ose, maybe try #opera
[06:23] <JimBuntu> R13ose, sorry, it's ##opera, but unofficial and about nobody there
[06:24] <R13ose> I will
[06:25] <JimBuntu> R13ose, FWIW, flash in 2018 is not a good idea... in general
[06:30] <R13ose> JimBuntu: yes I know
[07:14] <tomreyn> madLyfe: i dont think files you 'trash' are moved around to other file systems. instead, they're placed in /.Trash-$UID on the file system they originate from. what you see on the GUI when you access the trash can is a summary of all accessible file systems and their .Trash's for your uid.
[07:16] <tomreyn> ("uid" means user id, i.e. what is returned by the "id -u" command)
[07:22] <madLyfe> tomreyn: that makes sense but it says it's taking up space? it says it's of 'X' size.
[07:23] <JimBuntu> madLyfe, it's taking space 'somewhere'
[07:23] <tomreyn> madLyfe: the data is still there (where it originated from),so it's still taking up space (there). do you see something which suggests that the space is taken up on the / file system insteat?
[07:24] <tomreyn> *instead
[07:46] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me every 30 mintues i hear stratching while listening to music can anybody help me im using ubuntu 18.04 and am using clementine i checked the logs ans it said QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread?
[07:49] <voltagex> how/where do I report this error - I've got the live server installer booted now but it should not be going anywhere near my zpool https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2iT7u9al/2018-09-16%20(2).png
[07:51] <voltagex> sshd
[07:51] <voltagex> oops, you're not a shell
[08:01] <tomreyn> voltagex: what was the initial error, when did it occur?
[08:02] <tomreyn> is this ubuntu live server  installer 18.04.0 or 18.04.1?
[08:03] <voltagex> 18.04.1
[08:03] <voltagex> tomreyn: after confirming disk partitioning and explicitly setting NOT to touch any zfs related disk
[08:03] <tomreyn> voltagex: report the bug here ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+filebug
[08:04] <voltagex> what logs do I need to pull?
[08:04] <voltagex> and how terrified should I be of it saying "wipe superblock" somewhere in that log?
[08:06] <tomreyn> voltagex: i dont see this message in the partial log you made available so far. depending on how far the installation got, you have the logs either just on the running installer system in /var/logs or also on the installed system at the same location
[08:06] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: have you ever had someone who had scratching noises on ubuntu 18.04?
[08:10] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: do you think it's a sound issue, a hdd issue, or something else?
[08:11] <gt8ost4l> i checked th elogs
[08:11] <gt8ost4l> it says QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread
[08:11] <gt8ost4l> is that it?
[08:11] <gt8ost4l> its the software
[08:12] <gt8ost4l> or operating system
[08:13] <tomreyn> voltagex: the actual software showing this error log is probably 'curtin', so you may need to look for a log file which is named liek this.
[08:15] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: no idea. this is so vague, it could be anything. does the sound seem to vcome from the sound hip, do you hear it when not playing music, do you hear it when no audio output device is connected?
[08:15] <tomreyn> do you have other moving parts on this computer?
[08:15] <tomreyn> hip, -> chip(set)
[08:16] <gt8ost4l> like mouse and keyboard?
[08:16] <gt8ost4l> sometimes they disconnect if tats qhat you mean
[08:17] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: its a sounds issue i read online with people having problems with alsa
[08:17] <voltagex> tomreyn: error happened in "curtin" not "subiquity"
[08:18] <sentiment> I'm sorry... is strong language allowed here?
[08:18] <voltagex> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/39kshcwsdb/
[08:18] <tomreyn> voltagex: right. i'd still file it against subiquity, which is the installer itself, curtin is a subsystem to it. but it's up to you.
[08:18] <sentiment> I mean F Linux, serious F it
[08:18] <voltagex> sentiment: probably not, what's up?
[08:18] <voltagex> sentiment: deep breath and describe your issue, someone may be able to help
[08:19] <sentiment> after one week of wondering what the heck is wrong with some sites, and calling the ISP now it became apparent that this messy OS is at fault
[08:19] <tomreyn> !sound | gt8ost4l
[08:19] <sentiment> some sites refuse to open , unless I turn on the VPN
[08:19] <sentiment> !!!
[08:20] <sentiment> I mean it's an online learning site, and this is my exam day and I have been fooled for days thinking the issue is on the ISP side
[08:20] <sentiment> and guesswhat? it's a LPIC course!!!
[08:20] <sentiment> I can't open it. it's exam day, I have Windows though. If this can't be fixed in an hour I will boot up to Windows
[08:21] <sentiment> and this is not the first time I have beeb having issues with Ubuntu 16.04 (all linux I suppose)
[08:21] <sentiment> how can I tell what the F is wrong with it?
[08:21] <sentiment> is it because of IPv6?
[08:21] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: the scretching noises happen after 30 minutes on my hwadphones all the work arounds online didnt help me !
[08:22] <tomreyn> sentiment: take the exam now you have a workaround (the VPN), and come back here later when you're more relaxed, please. i'm not yet convinced this is a linux issue, and we could then diagnose it. but this is not the right time.
[08:22] <sentiment> this freaking OS has had all sorts of issues with networks from the moment I installed it
[08:22] <sentiment> DNS, Ethernetcard, IPv6 whatever
[08:23] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: sorry, i wouldn't know how to debug this. make sure you keep watching dmesg (dmesg -w) while it happens and note down the time it occurs and check what's on /var/log/syslog at the time, too.
[08:23] <sentiment> tomreyn: I will boot using Windows then.
[08:23] <sentiment> I can access the site using my phone (Windows <3 Phone)
[08:23] <tomreyn> sentiment: whatever works for you. ttyl.
[08:24] <sentiment> ok
[08:25] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: what do you mean you cant debug this its a qt script casing this!
[08:25] <gt8ost4l> isnt that log example a clue!
[08:29] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: can i pm you i want to send you something for you could get a idea?
[08:30] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: no PM please. use a pastebin. i don't see how "QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread" is related to audio issues.
[08:30] <gt8ost4l> its all that showed up in the log
[08:30] <gt8ost4l> it happened at 3:35am
[08:31] <gt8ost4l> that was when the scratching began
[08:32] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: you will need to provide more context if you are hoping to get help here. which "qt script" are you referring to, which log files were you looking at, are the other indications that there is a correlation between this log message and the sound issue other than this message got logged during the same minute the sound issue occurred? which hardware is this? which ubuntu version areoyu running= which kernel?
[08:33] <tomreyn> typo: "are the other indications" ->  "are there other indications"
[08:33] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: bingo you read my mind
[08:34] <gt8ost4l> i told everybody it was 18.04.1
[08:35] <gt8ost4l> i checked the log at 335am and thats what it said
[08:39] <gt8ost4l> oh yeah the kernel is 4.15.0-34-generic
[08:42] <tomreyn> not enough info. see if it happens when you don't play music. see if it happens when you play music using a differnt software, such as the default music player in this ubuntu version (i think that's rhythmbox, but i suggest you try to verify this).
[08:42] <tomreyn> good luck, i'll be back later.
[08:44] <Sentiment> Who I was talking to?
[08:45] <Sentiment> I was ranting on about network issues like 15 mins ago
[08:46] <Borw3> Hello
[08:46] <Sentiment> I'm on Winows now, watching the course at the same time.
[08:46] <Borw3> Sentiment: What course?
[08:47] <Sentiment> Just wanted to say now I remember that the issue happened after I apt-get upgraded Ubuntu 16.04
[08:47] <Borw3> Anybody here using Ralink RT3290 wifi card in Ubuntu or any other linux?
[08:47] <Sentiment> Borw3 Some other guy was answering me.
[08:48] <Sentiment> Borw3 those cards are ridden with issues, I have another model and had to tinker with configs to get it working smoothly
[08:49] <Sentiment> tomreyn was it you?
[08:49] <voltagex> thanks for your help tomreyn, I'm outta here, IRC hasn't changed in 15 years
[08:50] <Borw3> Sentiment: Wow, how did yu tinker? I left Ubuntu after Kernel 4.15.x The wifi strength just  dropped heavily, I even tried new Kernel 4.18.x, no avail :(...
[08:50] <Sentiment> sorry Can't help atm
[08:50] <Borw3> Sentiment: Just give me hint bro
[08:51] <Sentiment> I'm in Windows right now and taking on online course. Can't focus... but what is your problem?
[08:52] <Borw3> Sentiment: Ralink rt3290 wifi signal is quite weak in Ubuntu, and the drivers that used to work back in 16.04 won't compile on 18.04 :(
[08:53] <Sentiment> I think my problem was with my ethernet card, not wifi
[08:53] <marika-alicja> Hi, would someone help me with custom keyboard in 18.04? I created my layout, added it in /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml, it is visiable and chosen i settings. I'm stuck on getting the Compose button to work.
[08:53] <Borw3> Sentiment: Okay man, thanks :D, might I ask what's the course about? I like to learn new staff too :D
[08:53] <Sentiment> Borw3 nothing else changed? are other devices alright?
[08:54] <Sentiment> Borw3 it's about administrating Linux.
[08:54] <Borw3> Sentiment: Every other thing is okay, but the wifi strength.
[08:54] <Sentiment> I think there are some courses available on Udemy
[08:55] <Jonii> Hello. I updated my computer. Got an error message indicating problem with hard disk(something like, initramfs tried to find swap partition, couldn't find it, then halted startup)
[08:55] <Jonii> I fixed this by telling initramfs to not look for swap
[08:55] <Jonii> the computer seems to work, but now Dota 2, a video game, runs as if it's not using GPU at all
[08:55] <marika-alicja> In Tweaks, is Compose key = Key to choose the 3rd level? I'm confused if they are to be used in conjunction or if this is one and the same key.
[08:56] <Jonii> Also I had to reset some other settings, like, displays were reset
[08:56] <Jonii> So basically, to me it seems there are various settings that have been changed as a result of that update, and one of them seems to have to do with GPU not functioning correctly
[08:56] <d2r2> Hii
[08:57] <Sentiment> Borw3 can you move the device near the router?
[08:58] <Sentiment> see if the signal gets better
[08:58] <Borw3> Sentiment: Yeah, it's Laptop, but man, It used to be stronger before :D, works better near the wifi.
[08:58] <Sentiment> Do you have Windows installed?
[08:58] <d2r2> I recently installed Win10 and removed Ubuntu. Now i can't access my remaining two 200gb drives from windows. I can see the partitions in disk check utility. I thinkk the problem has something to do with partition type.
[08:58] <Sentiment> can you try on Windows?
[08:59] <Borw3> Sentiment: Now yes, I am on windows, signal seems better than Ubuntu post 4.4.x kernel :(
[08:59] <d2r2> What should i do to bring them back without loosing data and without backing up i.e. I can't delete them which is the only option the disk utility is providing
[09:00] <Sentiment> Borw3 how much better it is in Windows? look at the %
[09:00] <Borw3> Sentiment: 50% better
[09:00] <Sentiment> oh
[09:01] <Sentiment> what does iwconfig say?
[09:01] <Borw3> But Windows strength use to suck compared to Ubuntu back when it was shipping with 3.x kernel, the wifi drivers then used to compile on it.
[09:02] <Jonii> d2r2, i'm assuming partition type is ext4 which you are trying to access?
[09:02] <Jonii> If that's the case, then you could just try something like this, right? https://www.howtogeek.com/112888/3-ways-to-access-your-linux-partitions-from-windows/
[09:02] <Sentiment> Borw3 try iwconfig command and paste the output
[09:02] <Borw3> Sentiment: On Ubuntu: -81db, while before it used to be around -50db which means stronger, back in 3.x kernel days :(
[09:03] <d2r2> Jonii yes i think that too. But i am not sure as it is showing blank in partition type column
[09:03] <Sentiment> aha
[09:04] <Sentiment> Borw3 tbh, I may have the same issue too. I haven't quite paid attention to the signal strength difference between Ubuntu and Windows
[09:04] <Sentiment> and it's a Ralink card as well
[09:05] <Sentiment> I hate it that Linux programs aren't consistent in their usdage of parameters format
[09:05] <Borw3> Sentiment: It has become worse with the stock kernel, and the wifi drivers no longer compile on any kernel above 4.4.x.... They comple in 4.4.x but with random kernel panics
[09:05] <Sentiment> some -- , some -, some nothing
[09:06] <Jonii> Basically I believe I'm asking is, if by some weird reset, my computer had its GPU MASSIVELY underclocked or otherwise gimped through some setting change...
[09:06] <Jonii> What to do to check if this is the case, and change it back to normal?
[09:07] <Borw3> Sentiment: LOL, normally -- is for when you want to type the full word, and - is for short form, then nothing, well those are special cases.
[09:07] <Sentiment> find is different eg
[09:07] <Jonii> GTX Ti 1050 graphics card
[09:07] <Borw3> Jonii: Are you playing the game via wine?
[09:07] <Sentiment> ip to
[09:07] <Jonii> I'd need nominal/typical values and ways to check them, and change them
[09:07] <Jonii> Borw3: Nope, natively
[09:08] <Jonii> I had my FPS go from 120 to 8
[09:08] <Sentiment> too*
[09:08] <Borw3> Linux needs to standardise their things. :(... A kernel update can brake alot of things.
[09:08] <Borw3> break*
[09:09] <Sentiment> yeah, same problem here
[09:09] <Jonii> But I'm pretty sure it's just that I've managed to underclock my computer and I need to fix it
[09:09] <Sentiment> I updated Ubuntu 16.04 and it fucked up my internet access with some sites
[09:09] <Jonii> Like, this seems really likely, but I need help in confirming this diagnosis, and fixing it
[09:10] <Sentiment> just a simple upgrade, not a version change
[09:10] <Sentiment> wasted a few days thinking it was the ISP
[09:10] <Borw3> Sentiment: :( and Ubuntu is the stable side of linux, what of Arch users xD
[09:10] <Sentiment> :/
[09:11] <Sentiment> Borw3 haha exactly my thoughts
[09:11] <Borw3> Jonii: Maybe try choosing a previous kernel, before boot and see if problem still exists
[09:12] <Sentiment> freedom is a double-edged sword
[09:12] <Sentiment> Windows isn't open source and free, but it is consistent mostly and supported well.
[09:15] <Borw3> Sentiment: There is closed and paid to use Linux OS which still suck even more than Ubuntu, and people pay to use xD....AKA Suse Enterprise Desktop
[09:15] <d2r2> Jonii, I followed the tutorial u provided and found that file system for drives is ext3. Now how can I convert it to NTFS as I won't be using Ubuntu anymore
[09:16] <Ben64> d2r2: you can't
[09:17] <Ben64> you'd have to get the files off, format ntfs, then put them back on
[09:17] <Borw3> d2r2: You can't without formatting xD...... You just have to boot Ubuntu from usb/cd then open that partition and copy/paste things back to a windows partition or any thats atleast FAT32 or NTFS
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[09:33] <fath0m> Hello. Can somebody explain me why does Ubuntu 18.04.1 perform so bad on my new laptop? I'm running default ubuntu (gnome) and it is kinda sloppy. My hardware is new, i5-8250U laptop with Radeon 530 graphics.
[09:34] <fath0m> Still runs sloppy, what is going on?
[09:35] <fath0m> as far as i am aware, there is no need to install any amd drivers as they come out of the box since ubuntu 17.04, so what should i do?
[09:38] <JimBuntu> fath0m, define "sloppy"... any benchmark differences? Have you confirmed the GPU driver is loaded?
[09:41] <fath0m> JimBuntu, slow fps, slow animations
[09:41] <fath0m> JimBuntu, low* fps, well in hardware listing, TOPAZ gpu is there, which is my amd gpu
[09:42] <JimBuntu> fath0m, what about lsmod, does it list the amd module?
[09:42] <fath0m> JimBuntu, amdkfd, amd_iommu_v2, amdgpu
[09:43] <JimBuntu> Ok, that looks right. Thinking... as I don't use 18.04.x
[09:43] <fath0m> JimBuntu, which do you use?
[09:43] <JimBuntu> 16.04
[09:43] <JimBuntu> fath0m, glxinfo | grep evice
[09:44] <fath0m> JimBuntu, well it's a dual gpu setup so I gues it might be the problem, but with other distros it seems to be better, I used to use Manjaro, it was quite fast, but I need Ubuntu for development :/
[09:44] <fath0m> JimBuntu, only lists 'Device: Mesa DRI Intel(R) UHD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2)  (0x5917)'
[09:44] <JimBuntu> fath0m, try with 16.04.x live USB
[09:44] <JimBuntu> fath0m, ruh roh, there is a problem then
[09:44] <fath0m> JimBuntu, amd does not seem to be there
[09:44] <fath0m> JimBuntu, any ideas? :D
[09:45] <JimBuntu> I'm running multi-gpu, but 16.04... this is yet another reason I refuse to upgrade at the moment... one of about 12
[09:45] <fath0m> JimBuntu, ohh, okay, I might get 16.04 then.. Did it work out of the box?
[09:46] <JimBuntu> fath0m, use 16.04 if you can, still has a couple years of support, more than enough for a dev environment
[09:46] <fath0m> JimBuntu, and are you running Intel/Amd
[09:46] <fath0m> JimBuntu, I loved unity aswell, so I might use it haha
[09:46] <JimBuntu> fath0m, I had to install the amd drivers, otherwise, yeah
[09:46] <JimBuntu> I am running both Intel + AMD
[09:46] <fath0m> JimBuntu, from website or where?
[09:46] <JimBuntu> I installed the AMD drivers from their website... trash, went back and used the official Ubuntu ones, nice now
[09:47] <fath0m> JimBuntu, so from repos?
[09:47] <JimBuntu> from apt
[09:47] <fath0m> what is the package called?
[09:47] <fath0m> I will write it down, so I wouldn't forget, I'll do it today, when I'll have some time :D
[09:47] <JimBuntu> fath0m, You need to determine which package you need... then a simple apt-get install, roughly, there was an added step. I'll see if I can find the instructions, one moment
[09:48] <fath0m> JimBuntu, thank you :)
[09:48] <JimBuntu> fath0m, I think these are the official instructions... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[09:49] <JimBuntu> That doesn't look familiar though, lemme keep looking
[09:49] <fath0m> JimBuntu, yeah, this is old i think :D
[09:49] <fath0m> JimBuntu, yeah, 14.04
[09:50] <JimBuntu> Hmmm. Having trouble finding the exact page I used... this should be a great start though, even references your topaz - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver
[09:51] <fath0m> JimBuntu, alright, thank you very much m8 :)
[09:51] <fath0m> JimBuntu, I'm really thankful :) Will try this tonight :)
[09:51] <JimBuntu> You are welcome fath0m , keep on keeping on :)
[09:52] <Borw3> WHY UBUNTU HATES RALINK 3290 CARDS?
[09:52] <Borw3> WHY U HAVE LOW WIFI STRENGTH WITH RT3290??
[09:53] <JimBuntu> 3290 trash?
[09:54] <Borw3> 3290 is trash?
[09:54] <JimBuntu> Borw3, That's what I am wondering... I mean, it is RALINK after all. However, you should be able to get the same level of quality via Ubuntu that you would otherwise get.
[09:55] <JimBuntu> Borw3, Sorry to say, I have no direct experience with this card. A quick google shows that model has had issues for several years though... depending on the computer it came pre-installed in... at one point, someone even made a patch - https://github.com/akshaim/RT3290-BT-Patch
[09:57] <Borw3> JimBuntu: For some reason Windows 10 has better support :(
[09:58] <JimBuntu> Borw3, I'm not surprised by Win10 having better hardware support... Ralink really doesn't care very much for the linux community. :-(
[09:58] <JimBuntu> Ralink is from MS's back yard too.
[09:59] <JimBuntu> To be fair, Ralink only makes chipsets... how, exactly, those chipsets are used and abused is up to the board manufacturer.
[10:01] <Borw3> Didn't Ralink get baught by Mediatek, and now Mediatek owns about 60% of middle range smart phone chips in market, and they using tech from Ralink, and Android is Linux...So why Linux has shitty support?
[10:01] <JimBuntu> They did get bought by MediaTek nearly 10 years ago
[10:02] <JimBuntu> Android uses the Linux kernel, yes. Android isn't mainline Linux though, lots of changes/customizations. I can't say why the mainline kernel (which Ubuntu uses a modified/approved version of) doesn't support the specific model you have though... that's outside the topic for this channel. You may have more luck in ##linux though
[10:02] <Borw3> Or maybe their cards are so proprietary that even the people who buy their chips for their boards are not given the source code to adopt? :(
[10:03] <JimBuntu> Borw3, It's also a bit early for the normal support people in this channel, you may do better in a couple of hours
[10:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:03] <JimBuntu> Borw3, it's up to the people who write the module to decide if they will fully share it :-(
[10:04] <furaidi> Hi there, I have a question about Eclipse IDE. It crashes right after starting with "java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter" errors, there is a bug at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=891956 . What can I do at this point? Maybe downgrade Eclipse to some version somehow?
[10:06] <JimBuntu> Borw3, https://askubuntu.com/questions/778553/ralink-rt3290-driver-module-not-launching-and-i-cant-figure-out-why    ?
[10:10] <tomreyn> furaidi: which ubuntu version are you running, which JRE?
[10:11] <tomreyn> and how did you install eclipse
[10:14] <funabashi> Hi i have a old laptop, what is a nice ubuntu disto with leighwith version ? GUI needed
[10:14] <QBRT> funabashi - describe "old", like spec-wise
[10:15] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: i copied /etc/pulse/default.pa to config/pulse and the result was that it didnt work since it didnt show the scroller!
[10:15] <JimBuntu> QBRT, Qbert, now THAT is old. Good on you for the name!
[10:16] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: i dont know why you're telling me this?
[10:17] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1017529/etc-pulse-default-pa-permbashission-denied
[10:17] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: this doesn't answer my question.
[10:18] <gt8ost4l> look at it throughroly
[10:18] <gt8ost4l> what do you see
[10:19] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: i can't help you right now, good luck.
[10:19] <firelegend> Odd
[10:19] <firelegend> yesterday ubuntu booted just fine from recovery mode into normal mode
[10:19] <firelegend> now it doesnt
[10:20] <firelegend> stuck on Starting Manager, install and Generate Color Profiles.
[10:20] <funabashi> QBRT: HP Compaq Business Notebook nx7010 - 15.4" - Pentium M 725 - Win XP Pro - 512 MB RAM - 4
[10:21] <firelegend> However the kernel works
[10:21] <firelegend> as soon as I press the power button in this stuck state
[10:21] <firelegend> it initiates a shutdown and I can see the messages in the output
[10:23] <Fudge> anyone tried building bionic with vmbuilder?
[10:24] <BluesKaj> ghost64, mucking about with pulseaudio conf file isn't necessary, usually alsamixer and pavucontrol settings are all that's needed
[10:25] <QBRT> JimBuntu, thanks I guess^^
[10:25] <QBRT> funabashi - ever tried Xubuntu?
[10:27] <archhere1ic> I've followed a guide to set up ftp, however when I try to add a newly created user to the user list I fail to log into ftp with this user. This is the guide except that i hardcoded this line local_root=/home/viktor/ftp because i want them both to use same root folder https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-vsftpd-for-a-user-s-directory-on-ubuntu-16-04
[10:27] <archhere1ic> Any ideas what might have gone wrong?
[10:28] <QBRT> archhere1ic do you get any error messages upon login
[10:28] <archhere1ic> The second user doesnt have its own home dir so I havent tested to remove the hard coding
[10:28] <archhere1ic> 331 Please specify the password.
[10:28] <archhere1ic> Password:
[10:28] <archhere1ic> 530 Login incorrect.
[10:29] <tomreyn> archhere1ic: have you considered a different protocol than ftp? a secure / current one?
[10:29] <archhere1ic> yes normally Id prefer something else, but im helpin someone with a wordpress site
[10:29] <QBRT> check if the users are allowed to access the local_root directory
[10:29] <archhere1ic> if I use a random username I will never be prompted for a åasword
[10:30] <QBRT> maybe try logging on in the shell with that user first to see if the user is properly set up
[10:30] <archhere1ic> dr-xr-xr-x  3 nobody nogroup     4096 Sep 16 06:57 ftp
[10:31] <archhere1ic> ftp here is /home/viktor/ftp
[10:31] <QBRT> so ls -la only gives back "nobody"?
[10:33] <archhere1ic> dr-xr-xr-x  3 nobody nogroup     4096 Sep 16 06:57 ftp
[10:33] <archhere1ic> this was run from the second user
[10:33] <QBRT> try again chown
[10:39] <archhere1ic> I have a usergroup called wordpress that both are in, tried setting sudo chown andre:wordpress /home/viktor/ftp
[10:40] <furaidi> tomreyn - Eclipse installed thry Synaptic (as usual for me), Ubuntu 18.04, default-jre-1.10-63
[10:40] <archhere1ic> andre is the second user. I can still ftp in with viktor, but i get the same password error with andre, and yes I just tested sudo wit
[10:40] <archhere1ic> i just tested sudo with andre,and the password works there
[10:42] <archhere1ic> made andre sudo to be sure that he didnt miss system priveleges, so this feels weird indeed
[10:42] <archhere1ic> andre@ubuntu-2gb-fra1-01:/home/viktor$ cat /etc/vsftpd.userlist
[10:42] <archhere1ic> viktor
[10:42] <archhere1ic> andre
[10:43] <archhere1ic> restarted the service multiple times
[10:44] <tomreyn> furaidi: make sure you use an older JRE, try openjdk-8-jre
[10:45] <firelegend> Very odd
[10:46] <furaidi> tomreyn: is that mean, that Eclipse is not comportable with openjdk-11?
[10:46] <firelegend> it just simply refuses to boot now
[10:46] <ppf> can anyone recommend a passwordmanager?
[10:46] <tomreyn> furaidi: i doubt it is.
[10:47] <furaidi> tomreyn: ok, thanks
[10:47] <furaidi> I'll try
[10:48] <tomreyn> ppf: keepassxc
[10:49] <ppf> tomreyn: i find the keepass/keepassx/keepassxc bit quite confusing
[10:49] <ppf> doesn't build trust
[10:49] <Borw3> furaidi: JDK 11 is not even officially out yet, best stick with 8, or go to 10, if you want to be on edge.
[10:49] <tomreyn> ppf: you mean the fact that there are different variants of it?
[10:50] <ppf> forks maintained by different people, yeah
[10:50] <tomreyn> ppf: to me, it suggests a certain popularity.
[10:50] <ppf> best way to kill a project is to fork it
[10:51] <furaidi> I have another question. I noticed that fglrx is not present in new ubuntu distros, how can I increase performance like before, cause radeon drivers still sucks (fglrx ~360fps/radeon ~59fps)
[10:52] <furaidi> And I can't use amdgpu-pro
[10:52] <tomreyn> ppf: other times it's a good way to keep it going. in the past, different variants of the software were developed for different platforms (read operating systems) which had to be maintained seperately. now there's a cross platform one, to me this seems more manageable and more maintainable. obviously there are other options if you prefer those.
[10:52] <furaidi> AMD APU A-8 4500M with Radeon HD 7640G
[10:53] <tomreyn> furaidi: 59 fps suggests vsync is in effect.
[10:53] <furaidi> how can I turn it off?
[10:54] <ppf> tomreyn: so which one should i pick? XC? why this one specifically?
[10:54] <firelegend> I should check the smart data
[10:54] <firelegend> see if the HDD might be failing
[10:55] <tomreyn> vblank_mode=0 glxgears
[10:55] <tomreyn> furaidi: ^
[10:55] <tomreyn> https://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ConfigurationOptions/
[10:56] <furaidi> that was useful, man. Thanks a lot)
[10:56] <tomreyn> ppf: because it's cross platform, active development, has the best chances of survival IMO. but dont trust me, instead you should compare the source code repositories of the various packages.
[10:58] <tomreyn> furaidi: welcome. check also this, there are some great features hidden on this page: https://www.mesa3d.org/envvars.html
[10:58] <tomreyn> e.g. GALLIUM_HUD
[10:58] <tomreyn> MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE
[10:59] <furaidi> ok
[10:59] <tomreyn> LIBGL_SHOW_FPS
[10:59] <tomreyn> ...and a couple more
[11:00] <boritek> hi
[11:00] <boritek> hi
[11:00] <tomreyn> boritek: siza
[11:00] <tomreyn> i mean szia
[11:00] <furaidi> tomreyn: where can I do changes constantly, from starting system?
[11:01] <boritek> I have tearing in Ubuntu 18.04 while video playback, I tried everything i found on the net to fix this, but nothing worked. (i do not have any optimus gfx, but a dedicated GTX 770). However I have just found out that that is no tearing in Ubuntu session only in gnome-session
[11:01] <tomreyn> furaidi: system wide: /etc/environment  or within your user scope: ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc (read the comments on top of these files)
[11:02] <boritek> tomreyn: szia :)
[11:02] <boritek> sry in ubuntu session I meant: Unity session
[11:02] <boritek> it works there fine
[11:03] <boritek> why is there a different with gnome-session?
[11:03] <Welastevil> hi ubuntu people!
[11:03] <boritek> i guess it is a vsync problem, but vblanc is set in nvidia-settings
[11:03] <Welastevil> does anyone know how to create a compiz-like 3k cube effect on ubuntu 18.04?
[11:03] <boritek> but somehow maybe ignored
[11:04] <boritek> Welastevil: i guess it is not possible
[11:04] <Welastevil> oh no...
[11:04] <Welastevil> it was my favori feature!
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Welastevil, yeah use kde/plasma
[11:04] <boritek> Welastevil: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/09/wobbly-windows-new-libanimation-linux-library
[11:04] <boritek> somefeatures gonna come back from compiz effects
[11:05] <Welastevil> really??? let me try!
[11:05] <boritek> but I am  also missing the cube :D
[11:05] <furaidi> tomreyn: thank a lot, man)
[11:05] <tomreyn> furaidi: you're welcome.
[11:05] <boritek> Welastevil: it is still under development you better wait a bit until libanimation matures
[11:06] <Welastevil> ok
[11:08] <boritek> u guys do not have tearing with video playback?
[11:08] <boritek> especially with nvidia binary driver
[11:09] <boritek> it is really frustrating
[11:09] <boritek> watching a movie stuttering every second
[11:10] <boritek> the funny thing i do not see tearing so much in Steam videos...
[11:10] <boritek> and it is also fine in Unity session as described earlier
[11:14] <Welastevil> I see....
[11:14] <Welastevil> its not done yet
[11:17] <QBRT> best way to fix the tearing with nvidia in 18.04: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/8fb9oj/how_to_fix_screen_tearing_ubuntu_1804_nvidia_390/
[11:21] <boritek> QBRT: thank you, but the problem is that i do not have optimus but dedicated nvidia card, i tried settings like that, but do not work unfortunately :(
[11:24] <boritek> another funny thing: it happens with almost all video player, smplayer, vlc, totem, but MPV player has no tearing though but only in full screen. Without full screen it has also tearing :D
[11:24] <boritek> wtf?
[11:25] <QBRT> did you follow the full guide?
[11:27] <chaosfisch> Can someone tell me how / why ubuntu boots so slowly? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R9qH5KGKs3/
[11:30] <boritek> QBRT: yes
[11:32] <QBRT> boritek: what version of nvidia are you running?
[11:33] <boritek> i have tried 2 versions as well: the latest 396.54 and also 390
[11:33] <boritek> neither of them solved the issue
[11:34] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: this doesn't answer your question, just a side note: swapaccount defaults to 1 according to https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[11:34] <QBRT> boritek: oh, sorry to hear. for me 396 solved any tearing issues on my system
[11:34] <chaosfisch> tomreyn: it did not, so I had to set it to 1.
[11:35] <tomreyn> interesting, maybe ubuntu changes the default.
[11:35] <boritek> chaosfisch: you can see why it is slow by: systemd-analyze blame
[11:35] <boritek> QBRT: are you using Unity or gnome-session?
[11:36] <boritek> 18.04?
[11:36] <QBRT> gnome-session on 18.04
[11:36] <boritek> but I guess you are on a laptop?
[11:36] <QBRT> using 396 for the drivers ppa
[11:36] <QBRT> yep on dell xps 15 9570
[11:36] <boritek> yeaha that is the problem
[11:36] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: secureboot is off, right?
[11:36] <boritek> laptop has the optimus thingy
[11:36] <chaosfisch> tomreyn: it's on
[11:37] <boritek> but i have dedicated card on a desktop PC
[11:37] <QBRT> I see...
[11:37] <boritek> and all solutions are talking only for laptops that does not help on desktop
[11:38] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: this can reduce available entropy, resulting in slow boots. but i'm not saying this is the case here (still reading your paste).
[11:42] <chaosfisch> maybe its this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1767782
[11:43] <tomreyn> looks like it, see the time jump in lines 971 to 972
[11:44] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: the above is a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1685794
[11:45] <chaosfisch> okay but that currently has no solution, I'll try the one from the duplicate. Be back in a few minutes.
[11:48] <chaosfisch> tomreyn: yes this is a lot better now
[11:48] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: what did you do?
[11:48] <tomreyn> 1685794 is the bug report i had in mind when i suggested that secureboot could drain on entropy
[11:49] <chaosfisch> I changed /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[11:49] <chaosfisch> such that RESUME=none
[11:51] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: what was your resume device then?
[11:51] <chaosfisch> some other UUID that was in there.
[11:52] <chaosfisch> based on what I see it didnt match any of my disks.
[11:52] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: i'm not certain, but i think linux nowdays waits there on purpose, not just for the / device to become ready, but also for sufficient entropy to be available to do a safe boot.
[11:53] <tomreyn> oh, okay, if the resume device did not exist, systemd would wait there for a while hoping it woul dbecome available, this would also explain it.
[11:54] <tomreyn> chaosfisch: do you still have the id that was listed there and can see if it matches anything in "blkid"?
[11:55] <chaosfisch> blkid output doesn't match either.
[11:55] <tomreyn> actually i was wrong about the resume device being /     - on my system it points to the swap partition
[11:56] <chaosfisch> -  got a second problem :D, grub. I cant get it to recognize my dual boot windows 10 which is on a nvme ssd.
[11:56] <tomreyn> oh it's the suspend / resume device
[11:56] <tomreyn> so swap makes esne
[11:56] <chaosfisch> os-prober does not find it too
[11:56] <chaosfisch> windows partition is mounted
[11:57] <tomreyn> does one of them boot via uefi, the other via legacy bios?
[11:57] <chaosfisch> both boot via uefi
[11:57] <chaosfisch> ubuntu and windows
[11:57] <tomreyn> i don't know then, sorry
[11:58] <chaosfisch> efibootmgr outputs "	BBS(HD,,0x0)..BO" for the windows drive.
[11:58] <chaosfisch> so I guess there seems to be a problem here.
[11:59] <tomreyn> bbs is a bios module, so legacy bios
[11:59] <tomreyn> uefi can handle those via CSM
[11:59] <chaosfisch> ah okay, that might explain it then, good to know.
[12:00] <chaosfisch> seems I failed the windows install some time ago then. this should've been uefi.
[12:00] <chaosfisch> thanks for the help
[12:00] <tomreyn> welcome
[12:01] <funabashi> anyone know a bootable usb solution for remove virus/spywares?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> funabashi, from ?
[12:02] <tomreyn> funabashi: several AV vendors offer some, most are based on either linux or windows PE
[12:02] <ikonia> not really an ubuntu problem funabashi
[12:02] <ikonia> however you could use an ubuntu install to scan your non-booted windows partition
[12:14] <sayo-> my package manager says there's some trouble with unmet dependencies. it looks like my nvidia drivers where somehow installed without two dependencies, and now they cannot be installed even if I force with apt-get install -f
[12:14] <sayo-> here's what I get when I run apt-get install -f https://pastebin.com/TUvFaRn2
[12:14] <sayo-> weird o.O
[12:17] <ioria> sayo-, maybe you need first to remove -340
[12:20] <BluesKaj> sayo-, is dkms installed ?
[12:22] <sayo-> ioria: that would an undeed side effect I think, because I always has installed nvidia 390, nvidia 340 and nouveau... why did it suddently start complaining?
[12:22] <sayo-> BluesKaj: it is yup
[12:23] <ioria> sayo-, afaik, you cannot install multiple versions (safely)
[12:23] <ioria> sayo-, btw,  dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit  might help
[12:24] <sayo-> ioria: okay, weird because I always had these three options in Software & Updates but I see your point
[12:25] <sayo-> ioria: https://pastebin.com/J5GSPL3k there seems to be only one package for nvidia 340
[12:26] <BluesKaj> sayo-, then your nvidia driver should build using dkms by default, and the 340 is known to be replaced by the 390 in some cases
[12:26] <sayo-> I may try to remove that one and see what happens: otherwise, I could just remove nvidia* and install the lastest drivers from scratch
[12:27] <ioria> sayo-,  sudo apt purge nvidia-opencl-icd-340
[12:28] <sayo-> ioria: that wont work, I can't get apt to work since it complains about unmet dependencies
[12:28] <sayo-> just a second I'll show ya
[12:28] <sayo-> ioria: https://pastebin.com/Z4gNiAm0
[12:29] <ioria> sayo-,  you see that  nvidia-driver-390  is broken ?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> sayo-, sudo dpkg --configure -a then try the  -f install
[12:29] <ioria> sayo-,  and 'f' it's not 'force' but 'fix'
[12:29] <sayo-> do I just purge everything nvidia and install again then?
[12:30] <sayo-> oh I thought it was force ;_; how lame sorry
[12:30] <ioria> sayo-,  according to you, apt is broken too
[12:31] <ioria> sayo-,  so you cannot purge anything
[12:31] <sayo-> BluesKaj: same error
[12:31] <sayo-> ioria: uhmm you're right
[12:32] <firelegend> Any idea how to fix the ubuntu login loop?
[12:32] <ioria> sayo-,  try to purge directly nvidia-driver-390  ; if it fails   use   sudo dpkg -P  <packages>
[12:32] <alterjsive> I'm having trouble installing grub on my system, can anyone help me?
[12:32] <firelegend> I tried chown of /.xauthority and when it didnt work, even deleting it
[12:32] <firelegend> but...no dice
[12:33] <firelegend> Damn
[12:33] <firelegend> I think I have to reinstall Ubuntu
[12:34] <sayo-> ioria: okay, sudo dpkg removed nvidia-driver-390 at least
[12:34] <firelegend> These things usually never happen but....
[12:34] <sayo-> let me try to purge everything
[12:34] <ioria> sayo-,  purge not remove
[12:34] <alterjsive> grub efi amd64 failed to install to target
[12:34] <firelegend> alterjsive: You wont be able to continue the normal way
[12:34] <sayo-> got it ioria
[12:34] <firelegend> The only way to get past that error is
[12:34] <ioria> ok
[12:35] <firelegend> is to use livecd
[12:35] <firelegend> Like boot into livecd mode
[12:35] <firelegend> and install from there.
[12:35] <firelegend> I got the same error on my lenovo y530
[12:35] <alterjsive> firelegend, I am on a livecd
[12:35] <ioria> sayo-,  also these: libnvidia-ifr1-390  libnvidia-ifr1-390:i386
[12:35] <alterjsive> it's after my kubuntu 18.04 instlal
[12:36] <alterjsive> I didn't reboot yet
[12:36] <firelegend> What is your laptop?
[12:37] <alterjsive> firelegend, i'm doing a raid 5 install on my msi gs70
[12:37] <firelegend> Just saying if you manage to install it
[12:38] <firelegend> you will have many headaches
[12:38] <firelegend> probably related to ACPI
[12:38] <firelegend> I am currently going to be reinstalling ubuntu on my laptop as it simply broke down
[12:39] <ioria> sayo-,  if apt is back to life (use also  dpkg --configure -a and   -f install  if needed), the other deps could be removed with sudo apt autoremove --purge
[12:39] <tomreyn> alterjsive: raid-5 is not great, better do raid-6
[12:39] <sayo-> ioria: I purged everything, now dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia is empty ^_^
[12:39] <alterjsive> tomaw
[12:39] <ioria> sayo-,  apt restored ?
[12:39] <alterjsive> I only have ssd slots
[12:39] <alterjsive> 3
[12:39] <tomreyn> alterjsive: meaning?
[12:40] <alterjsive> tomreyn, you need 4 disks for raid 6 r
[12:40] <sayo-> ioria: looks like it YAY!
[12:40] <sayo-> ioria master of the purgatory
[12:41] <ioria> sayo-,  can you paste /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers please ?
[12:41] <sayo-> ioria: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers: No such file or directory
[12:41] <ioria> good
[12:42] <ioria> sayo-,  sudo apt autoremove --purge   again to be sure
[12:42] <tomreyn> alterjsive: true, then i'd rather buy another disk or do raid-1 with a spare.
[12:42] <sayo-> ioria: done
[12:42] <sayo-> do I just install nvidia drivers now? or need I to reload/reboot something before?
[12:42] <ioria> sayo-,  you still need to reboot i'am afraid
[12:43] <sayo-> yeah I thought so
[12:43] <sayo-> I'm probably still using nvidia drivers right now
[12:43] <ioria> sayo-,  check in lspci
[12:43] <BluesKaj> qdefaults to nouveau
[12:43] <ioria> sayo-,  lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[12:44] <sayo-> ioria: yeah still driver=nvidia
[12:45] <ioria> sayo-,  lsmod | grep -i nvidia
[12:45] <sayo-> nvidia              14340096  126 nvidia_modeset,nvidia_uvm plus many others
[12:45] <sayo-> drivers still in memory probably
[12:45] <ioria> sayo-, reboot
[12:45] <sayo-> after reboot this should fall back to nouveau as suggested by BluesKaj
[12:45] <tomreyn> alterjsive: how did you partition, what'S the error message or situation you encounter?
[12:46] <ioria> yep
[12:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:46] <sayo-> okay thank you both for troubleshooting me thru this
[12:46] <sayo-> I'll rebot later (woke up at 6am to study and got sidetracked by this silly error here)
[12:46] <sayo-> reboot even
[12:47] <ioria> ok
[12:49] <BluesKaj> sayo-, I ran the nouveau driver a for 2 weeks, without any issues, before realizing i forgot to install the nvidia proprietary recommended driver
[12:49] <firelegend> I also tried installing the driver
[12:49] <firelegend> for nvidia
[12:49] <firelegend> but it failed
[12:49] <firelegend> Once for adding it to DKMS
[12:50] <firelegend> and twice for the compiler version being different
[12:50] <BluesKaj> dkms builds the driver
[12:50] <firelegend> And it failed
[12:50] <alterjsive> tomreyn, goo.gl/K4t3gd
[12:50] <BluesKaj> then you have some other issue that's affecting your driver
[12:51] <firelegend> Honestly, many
[12:51] <firelegend> I just had to reinstall Ubuntu as it started failing to boot
[12:51] <firelegend> I also get weird ACPI incompatability
[12:51] <jonquest> where can i customize the "Open in ...." options in Nautilus?
[12:52] <jonquest> (in the context menus on folders, files, etc...)
[12:52] <firelegend> Basically it has been hell to get 18.04 working
[12:52] <firelegend> and once I did, after a while I started getting the infamous ubuntu login loop
[12:53] <alterjsive> tomreyn, maybe I should try ubuntu server and install kubuntu-desktop :)))
[12:53] <firelegend> Once I exhausted all options at saving the install, I chose to reinsall it
[12:53] <firelegend> hopefully I can...salvage the next one
[12:55] <firelegend> I don't blame linux or ubuntu, but the laptop manufacturer
[12:56] <firelegend> Very dumbed down BIOS, broken ACPI OSI likely
[12:56] <oerheks> jonquest, i think with nautilus-actions, or manually https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/353610/add-a-new-nautilus-context-menu-action-without-using-nautilus-actions
[12:56] <BluesKaj> firelegend, is your gpu suystem a hybrid like Optimus
[12:57] <alterjsive> I've been trying to install kubuntu 18.04 on raid 5 for days urg
[12:57] <firelegend> I am unsure? I have an integrated and dedicated GPU
[12:57] <oerheks> firelegend, yesterday i told you about i915.alpha_support=1 for that machine
[12:57] <oerheks> https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Gaming-Laptops-Knowledge-Base/Installing-Ubuntu-18-04-on-the-Legion-Y530/ta-p/4187251
[12:57] <BluesKaj> intel and nvidia?
[12:57] <firelegend> oerheks: Yes.
[12:57] <firelegend> But the issues drastically increased
[12:58] <oerheks> and did you update the bios, like tomreyn suggested?
[12:58] <firelegend> Like all of a sudden. Inability to boot from recovery mode, ubuntu login loop
[12:58] <firelegend> I did.
[12:58] <firelegend> I am currently reinstalling ubuntu.
[12:59] <tomreyn> alterjsive: you seem to have posted a link to cooking recipes there
[12:59] <firelegend> oerheks: The major issues are acpi incompatability, which that tutorial seems to not experience.
[13:00] <firelegend> Like I managed to get it to boot once without acpi=off, and that was from recovery. And the next day...it failed to.
[13:00] <alterjsive> tomreyn, yeah sorry I mean i'm creating 1 efi partition of 512M and use the rest as a linux raid partition
[13:00] <alterjsive> copy to all disks
[13:01] <alterjsive> create an raid 5 array, then install kubuntu
[13:01] <tomreyn> alterjsive: grub can boot off mdadm raid-0 and -1, i'm not sure it can boot off other raid levels.
[13:01] <alterjsive> tomreyn, I see
[13:02] <alterjsive> I have an extra hdd next to my 3 ssd's
[13:04] <alterjsive> I will try to use it as an EFI boot partion instead
[13:05] <tomreyn> alterjsive: i guess it doesn't matter too much where you put the separate /boot partition (can be a small raid-1), i just think you're going to need one.
[13:06] <alterjsive> does it need to be a raid partition?
[13:06] <alterjsive> ah understand
[13:06] <tomreyn> alterjsive: no, and i take this back, apparently grub2 can boot off mdadm raid-5
[13:08] <tomreyn> alterjsive: it's possible that the installer will not allow this configuration, though
[13:12] <tomreyn> alterjsive: so if you're uefi booting, you want a gpt on all disks, an ESP on one highly reliable disk, and maybe, to make the installer happy, you need a raid-1 (or non-raid) /boot, and finally you'll have your raid-5 (which is a raid level which i still dont recommend)
[13:14] <alterjsive> i could add another ssd, replace the 2.5 hdd
[13:14] <firelegend> Does anyone know how to clear old efi entries?
[13:14] <firelegend> In BIOS, I can see several similar efi entries that are no longer valid
[13:14] <alterjsive> but I would like to get this raid setup working
[13:15] <alterjsive> a successfull install would be nice
[13:15] <firelegend> alterjsive: Do you still get the efi error?
[13:15] <alterjsive> I'm not sure what to try anymore, bit exhousted
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> clearing EFI entries would be specific to your BIOS... you'd have to find documentation specific to your computer/motherboard
[13:18] <alterjsive> tomreyn, should I create 3 raid devices? 2 raid 0 with efi and boot  and 1 ext4 for the  root?
[13:18] <alterjsive> raid 1*
[13:19] <alterjsive> 2 x raid 1
[13:19] <tomreyn> alterjsive: the ESP needs to be readable by your mainboard firmware, can't reside on a mdadm raid.
[13:19] <alterjsive> EFI = ESP?
[13:20] <alterjsive> yes
[13:20] <alterjsive> ok
[13:20] <tomreyn> ESP=efi system partition, (incorrectly) indicated as 'efi' on the installer
[13:21] <tomreyn> on a side note, you can migrate from raid-5 to raid-6 later
[13:21] <alterjsive> okk great
[13:22] <alterjsive> so 1 ESP partition on each drive
[13:23] <tomreyn> alterjsive: only one will be handled by your firmware, the one it finds first. probably the one on the lowest SATA port #
[13:24] <tomreyn> the same goes for grub
[13:25] <FortKnight> alterjsive: are you chatting from the system right now?
[13:25] <alterjsive> FortKnight, android, why?
[13:26] <alterjsive> I just want to be available during reboots
[13:26] <FortKnight> alterjsive: because i was going to get some more detailed info if you were
[13:26] <alterjsive> I can copy paste using google docs
[13:27] <FortKnight> alterjsive: i'll assume you know how to install things...would that be a safe assumption?
[13:27] <FortKnight> alterjsive: like software
[13:27] <FortKnight> alterjsive: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[13:27] <FortKnight> alterjsive: let me know when done
[13:27] <alterjsive> sure
[13:28] <FortKnight> alterjsive: you can let me know when you've completed the step by simply saying "done"
[13:28] <alterjsive> done
[13:28] <FortKnight> alterjsive: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[13:29] <FortKnight> alterjsive: share url/link here
[13:29] <FortKnight> alterjsive: if you do not get a url/link ...say so
[13:31] <alterjsive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/WhJ5Vs4XcC/
[13:32] <alterjsive> didn't work
[13:32] <FortKnight> alterjsive: inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:33] <FortKnight> alterjsive: try that...it'll make a shorter url/link...less chance for typo
[13:34] <alterjsive> termbin.com/ujtdterm
[13:35] <alterjsive> termbin.com/ujtd
[13:35] <alterjsive> that worked
[13:35] <FortKnight> alterjsive: GS70 2QE gaming laptop?
[13:35] <alterjsive> my partitions are not setup right, one sec
[13:35] <alterjsive> yes
[13:36] <FortKnight> alterjsive: ok listen
[13:36] <FortKnight> alterjsive: have you ever heard of fake raid or software raid or win raid?
[13:36] <alterjsive> i5wq
[13:36] <alterjsive> is the setup i';m trying
[13:36] <alterjsive> termbin.com/i5wq
[13:36] <FortKnight> alterjsive: you will have to use fake raid aka mdadm
[13:37] <alterjsive> yes I did that
[13:37] <alterjsive> almost
[13:38] <alterjsive> termbin.com/6zl6
[13:39] <FortKnight> alterjsive: you have NOT configured a raid using mdadm as per your http://termbin.com/ujtd shows no sign of RAID being configured
[13:39] <firelegend> Ok everything seems to
[13:39] <FortKnight> alterjsive: when you setup a raid successfully it will look like this
[13:39] <firelegend> falling in place
[13:39] <firelegend> ACPI managed to get it to work
[13:39] <firelegend> managed to clear invalid efi entries with efibootmgr
[13:40] <Something1> The Ubuntu hardware survey thing at the first boot, can I cancel that and run it again later? I install virtually, then transfer the drive to the laptops from the workstation
[13:40] <alterjsive> FortKnight, will my last paste do?
[13:41] <FortKnight> alterjsive: http://termbin.com/w7t1
[13:42] <FortKnight> alterjsive: as you can see in the RAID section
[13:43] <FortKnight> alterjsive: a raid has been "successfully" configured on the system compared to your http://termbin.com/ujtd raid section
[13:44] <alterjsive> what about 6zl6
[13:45] <FortKnight> alterjsive: it is % 0.7 built
[13:45] <FortKnight> alterjsive: now just sit and wait until %100
[13:45] <alterjsive> 32 min
[13:45] <FortKnight> give or take a few minutes
[13:46] <FortKnight> make a sandwich and some tea
[13:46] <alterjsive> but I noticed that my efi partition is missing on /dev/sda1
[13:46] <alterjsive> after I created the md0 raid device
[13:46] <MAGIC> any eta for openssl 1.1.1 on 18.04?
[13:48] <sentiment> hello
[13:48] <FortKnight> alterjsive: lsblk|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:49] <alterjsive> FortKnight, is this an issue? fdisk still shows my efi partitions but /dev/sda1 is gone for exmple
[13:49] <ducasse> MAGIC: a finished ubuntu release generally does not receive later package versions
[13:49] <FortKnight> alterjsive: share url/link here
[13:50] <alterjsive> k is illigal
[13:50] <MAGIC> ducasse: so i need to wait for 18.10 or install it on my own
[13:50] <tomreyn> !latest | MAGIC
[13:51] <alterjsive> te
[13:51] <ducasse> MAGIC: or ask for an sru
[13:51] <alterjsive> http://termbin.com/79kp
[13:51] <ducasse> !sru
[13:51] <ducasse> MAGIC: (or backport)
[13:52] <FortKnight> alterjsive: no that's now what i asked to see...try that again
[13:52] <FortKnight> alterjsive: lsblk|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:53] <FortKnight> alterjsive: that's "not"
[13:53] <alterjsive> illigal option -k
[13:53] <FortKnight> alterjsive:  whereis lsblk|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:54] <oerheks> MAGIC, i have no info, it is available  as openssl-1.1.1 on https://www.openssl.org , perhaps add yourself to this bugreport? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1780807
[13:55] <sentiment> I have a question.
[13:55] <sentiment> a generic Linux question.
[13:55] <MAGIC> ye will subscribe to this issue
[13:55] <sentiment> Does Linux tend to fuck up internet connection will nilly?
[13:55] <FortKnight> alterjsive: no "-k" or "k" "option" is being used, i have to assume you are making a typographical error
[13:56] <alterjsive> http://termbin.com/pr39
[13:56] <sentiment> or after some update?
[13:56] <oerheks> sentiment, noneed for that language, keep this channel family friendly, thanks
[13:56] <sentiment> because I fuckin can't access certain sites
[13:56] <sentiment> oerheks: ok
[13:56] <sentiment> I think it happened after I updated the 16.04
[13:57] <FortKnight> alterjsive: just wait until raid it %100 complete before any further discussion
[13:57] <alterjsive> ok
[13:57] <sentiment> this is the problem
[13:57] <sentiment> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1548801
[13:57] <ducasse> sentiment: watch your language, please
[13:57] <sentiment> wget not working either
[13:58] <sentiment> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received.
[13:58] <sentiment> wget ^
[13:58] <sentiment> connection established and then it times out I guess
[13:58] <sentiment> just some sites
[13:59] <sentiment> interesting that I can access those same sites using a proxy (VPN)
[13:59] <sentiment> could it be an IP version issue?
[13:59] <sentiment> wget is showing an IPv4 address though.
[14:00] <sentiment> can I trust this OS to do my work and stuff without it making a mess of my internet conenction every now and then?
[14:00] <sentiment> like, a problem with drivers or after an update
[14:01] <tomreyn> sentiment: this is usually a result of one of (a) an unreliable network (up)link, (b) bad middle boxes, such as CPE, (c) misconfigurations at the target site (e.g. IPv4 addressing works, IPv6 addressing fails, but both are in DNS), (d) unsuitable network configuration (e.g. MTU 1500 on a pppoe initiated DSL link)
[14:01] <sentiment> tomreyn: oh please! I can access those sites perfectly fine on my phone and Windows;
[14:02] <sentiment> tomreyn: MTU? I did try that. Read the link I sent above.
[14:02] <sentiment> didn't work
[14:02] <tomreyn> sentiment: windows running on the same computer, using the same network connection?
[14:02] <sentiment> Also I'm pretty sure it was workig before updating 16.04 to the latest version.
[14:02] <sentiment> tomreyn: yes
[14:02] <tomreyn> sentiment: the link you posted above is a discussion from 2010
[14:02] <sentiment> yes, but it is very similar
[14:02] <tomreyn> currently, it's 2018, a lot has changed in tech since
[14:03] <sentiment> because one of the guys said he can access websites using a proxy
[14:03] <sentiment> same as me
[14:03] <sentiment> that is the weird thing
[14:03] <sentiment> where does Linux mess up IPs? at which layer?
[14:03] <sentiment> that is what I don't understand
[14:04] <tomreyn> you seem to assume that linux does something wrong. i don't understadn what makes you think so.
[14:04] <sentiment> wget shows an IPv4 address
[14:04] <sentiment> and it is failing too
[14:04] <sentiment> tomreyn: it happened after the update. and all my other devices are working .
[14:04] <sentiment> I tried other browsers, wget... all fail.
[14:04] <tomreyn> upgrade of what from what to what?
[14:05] <sentiment> 16.04.0 to 16.04.1
[14:05] <tomreyn> so ubuntu 16.04.1 is what you run now?
[14:05] <sentiment> and I was really hesitant to update that minor version! let alone a whole upgrade
[14:05] <sentiment> yes
[14:06] <tomreyn> you should update to 16.04.5
[14:06] <sentiment> 4.15.0-33-generic
[14:06] <tomreyn> you are missing a lot of bug fixes
[14:06] <sentiment> I updated wednesday though!
[14:07] <tomreyn> what's special about wednesday?
[14:07] <sentiment> did it update in between?
[14:07] <tomreyn> i'm not watching your system remotely
[14:08] <sentiment> well I am sorry
[14:08] <tomreyn> ubuntu 16.04.5 has been out for months, i think, at least weeks.
[14:08] <sentiment> it is actually version 05
[14:08] <sentiment> I issued uname -a
[14:08] <sentiment> just ran lsb_release -a
[14:09] <sentiment> so that rules out that then
[14:09] <tomreyn> uname -a returns the kernel version, not the ubuntu version.
[14:09] <sentiment> #36~16.04.1-Ubuntu
[14:09] <tomreyn> "lsb_release -ds" (-a works, too) returns the version you are currently at.
[14:09] <sentiment> ^ from uname -a
[14:10] <tomreyn> right, this is not your ubuntu version
[14:10] <sentiment> anyhow, what could be wrong?
[14:10] <sentiment> so what is that then?
[14:10] <sentiment> looks like Ubuntu version to me
[14:10] <sentiment> it is package version?
[14:10] <tomreyn> can you name a site you are unable to access and discuss the internet access technology you use?
[14:11] <Something1> It could just be that the certificates are so old that https won´t work?
[14:11] <tomreyn> sentiment: "16.04.1-Ubuntu" indicates the first build of this HWE package version for ubuntu 16.04
[14:12] <sentiment> tomreyn: thanks for the info.
[14:12] <sentiment> for example this http://get.faradars.org/dl/tutorials/fvnet9407/fvnet940706_vh19kz8cdos7_www.faradars.org.rar
[14:13] <sentiment> it's an educational video
[14:13] <sentiment> not in English...whatever
[14:13] <sentiment> the domain try that domain name
[14:14] <sentiment> get.faradars.org
[14:14] <sentiment> it returns an error on my side, timeout perhaps
[14:14] <sentiment> unless I connect using a proxy
[14:14] <sentiment> Something1: could be. But then I can access other SSL sites
[14:15] <tomreyn> ping -c3 get.faradars.org | pastebinit
[14:15] <sentiment> I am not sure if this is related, but so far the problematic sites have been those hosted in my country
[14:15] <sentiment> could be bychance though, since I use those.
[14:15] <sentiment> tomreyn: as I said wget connects to the site
[14:15] <sentiment> Connecting to get.faradars.org (get.faradars.org)|185.8.172.31|:80... connected.
[14:15] <sentiment> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received.
[14:16] <sentiment> Retrying.
[14:16] <sentiment> ^ that is the message from wget
[14:16] <sentiment> btw I just tested its IP (185.8.172.31) in FF and it worked
[14:17] <sentiment> meaning no errors
[14:17] <sentiment> DNS issue?
[14:18] <tomreyn> sentiment: it resolves correctly for you.
[14:18] <sentiment> yes , it seems
[14:18] <tomreyn> mtr -wnc5 185.8.172.31 | pastebinit
[14:18] <tomreyn> you may need to install mtr
[14:18] <sentiment> when I dig@get.faradars.org it says REFUSED though
[14:19] <tomreyn> "dig@get.faradars.org" is not a command that i know
[14:19] <sentiment> my bad
[14:20] <sentiment> can I ask what does mtr do?
[14:20] <tomreyn> combined traceroute and ping to all nodes of the trace
[14:22] <tomreyn> please also: pastebin /etc/resolv.conf
[14:22] <sentiment> I tracepath'd , isn't it enough?
[14:22] <sentiment> no errors
[14:22] <sentiment> it seems like a transport issue
[14:22] <sentiment> because it can reach the network fine, as far as I can see
[14:23] <sentiment> tomreyn: the machine uses NetworkManager, is resolv.conf pertinent?
[14:23] <sentiment> because I remember from another guy here that NetworkManager overrides it or something
[14:24] <tomreyn> resolv.conf is still relevant. it may point to 127.0.0.1, but that's not yet been discussed,
[14:24] <sentiment> again, other devices can connect to the host, so it should not be a problem with the path right?
[14:24] <sentiment> ok
[14:24] <tomreyn> tracepath works as an alternative to mtr, but it does only one ping to each node by default
[14:25] <tomreyn> either way, i haven't seen the output
[14:25] <tomreyn> it's not just about hwether ir reports an error
[14:25] <sentiment> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w6Frf6HY7b/
[14:26] <tomreyn> sentiment: so you have 3 resolvers configured, do all of those resolve get.faradars.org to 185.8.172.31 ?
[14:26] <sentiment> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p5VQgxNtQg/ tomreyn
[14:27] <sentiment> using dig?
[14:27] <sentiment> dig -b ?
[14:27] <alterjsive> FortKnight ok, it's done
[14:28] <tomreyn> sentiment: dig -t ANY get.faradars.org @RESOLVER
[14:28] <alterjsive> FortKnight, should I try to install ubuntu now?
[14:30] <tomreyn> sentiment: actually it'd be better to do two requests per resolver, -t A and -t AAAA
[14:31] <tomreyn> sentiment: your route is weird, loads of 10.x.x.x nodes, then you end up on the target. who is your isp?
[14:31] <sentiment> tomreyn: it says ANY obsolete
[14:31] <tomreyn> sentiment: see 2 lines above
[14:31] <sentiment> ok
[14:32] <sentiment> tomreyn: I don't know why we are investigating DNS since wget can resolve to the IP and even establish the connection, but for what it's worth all nameservers returned the same address.
[14:33] <sentiment> tomreyn: shouldn't matter really. I mean the path is SAME for Windows and Windows has no problem :/
[14:33] <tomreyn> sentiment: you have 3 resolvers configured. when you ran wget, it will have queried one of them, and we don't know which, that is why,
[14:33] <sentiment> they are for the government firewalls I think
[14:33] <sentiment> tomreyn: ok thanks
[14:34] <tomreyn> sentiment: i just noticed your public ip address is one fro iran.
[14:34] <sentiment> true
[14:34] <tomreyn> sentiment: iran is known for traffic manipulation.
[14:34] <sentiment> government firewall filters
[14:34] <sentiment> yes
[14:34] <sentiment> but that doesn't pertain to the issue
[14:35] <sentiment> and the site is hosted in Iran too
[14:36] <sentiment> omg I can't believe I am wasting this much time because something went wrong on my machine on its own
[14:36] <sentiment> and just to access a site!
[14:36] <tomreyn> so it's a waste of time to you. then have a nice life.
[14:37] <sentiment> tomreyn: no, I no disrespect to you.
[14:37] <sentiment> just the whole situation
[14:37] <sentiment> I mean it was working past week
[14:37] <sentiment> then suddenly it went crazy
[14:38] <sentiment> tomreyn: do you still think it's an issue with the route? wget can establish a connection and send a request
[14:38] <sentiment> but can't get the response
[14:38] <sentiment> again, the clue lies in the proxy, I can access it usinga proxy
[14:38] <tomreyn> sentiment: once you ruled out that dns is an issue, i suggest you record a packet dump and anylyze it, maybe with supprt from the folks in ##networking
[14:38] <sentiment> though on Windows it has no problem
[14:39] <tomreyn> chances are some middleware box is eating the packets your liunux system sends, but not those those windows sends, since they tested it against windows (only)
[14:40] <sentiment> tomreyn: just to make sure I understand it all, when wget can access the site using the same IP as dig, does it not mean that DNS is working correctly?
[14:40] <sentiment> hmm ok thank you
[14:40] <sentiment> I can use WireShark for that too right? I have it installed already
[14:42] <tomreyn> yes, normally you'd record using tcpdump, then import and review it as a restricted user using wireshark
[14:42] <sentiment> wait
[14:42] <sentiment> it suddenly worked
[14:42] <sentiment> but I am sure this will be temporary
[14:42] <lavinho> good afternoon
[14:42] <Blankspace> my jupyter notebook keeps dying
[14:43] <sentiment> tomreyn: what do you think?! I am really confused
[14:43] <lavinho> my ubuntu not detect wireless card
[14:43] <tomreyn> it is common for network issues to occur intermittently.
[14:43] <FortKnight> alterjsive: it's done
[14:43] <Blankspace> kernel keeps dying
[14:43] <sentiment> tomreyn: does that signify that the prolem lies on the path or this machine?
[14:44] <sentiment> oh shit my bad
[14:44] <sentiment> the proxy is on
[14:44] <FortKnight> alterjsive: ?
[14:44] <sentiment> wait I may have found something tomreyn
[14:44] <sentiment> first, the download it progressing even though I turned off the VPN
[14:45] <alterjsive> FortKnight, my raid array is assabled
[14:45] <sentiment> secondly, the link I pasted here was not https
[14:46] <sentiment> but that works using VON
[14:46] <sentiment> VPN
[14:46] <sentiment> here the most curious thing:
[14:46] <sentiment> https in wget works!
[14:46] <FortKnight> alterjsive: lets see it > inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:46] <sentiment> what do you think tomreyn ?
[14:47] <alterjsive> http://termbin.com/2w40
[14:47] <tomreyn> sentiment: based on the incomplete information you provided so far, i assume (guess) it is an issue with a system on your route to the target. the wget message you posted suggested that the tcp ack package was not returned to your system, and so the tcp connection could not be established. you can try to get help with recording and interpreting your packet dump in ##networking
[14:48] <alterjsive> FortKnight, I still don't see my /dev/sda1 block device. Only /dev/sda
[14:48] <sentiment> ok thanks
[14:48] <alterjsive> don't we need that for the ESP partition?
[14:49] <FortKnight> alterjsive: are you running kubuntu off that 32GB usb flash drive right now? yes or no
[14:49] <tomreyn> !details | Blankspace: if you were looking for assistence with this, you'll need to provide more information
[14:49] <alterjsive> yes
[14:49] <sentiment> one last question, tomreyn, could you access the site yourself using the same link?
[14:50] <FortKnight> alterjsive: and what device did you imagine you'd be installing ubuntu onto?
[14:50] <tomreyn> sentiment: wget worked from here when i tried. but obivously i take a very different route than you do.
[14:50] <sentiment> ok, so it was not https then. thanks
[14:50] <FortKnight> alterjsive: if you're thinking that raid array....it ain't gonna happen
[14:50] <alterjsive> FortKnight, /dev/md0
[14:51] <FortKnight> alterjsive: erase that idea from your mind
[14:51] <alterjsive> FortKnight, really ? :)
[14:51] <FortKnight> alterjsive: /md0 only exists while you are booting the OS from that 32GB usb drive
[14:52] <FortKnight> alterjsive: when that changes...it's N/A
[14:52] <alterjsive> ok, so it's not possible to install (k)ubuntu on raid?
[14:52] <alterjsive> software  raid
[14:52] <jcdutton> alterjsive, is this hardware or software raid?
[14:53] <alterjsive> software mdadm'
[14:53] <jcdutton> alterjsive, the /boot partition must be somewhere that is not software raided
[14:53] <FortKnight> alterjsive: the think about fake raid/software win raid is that it's only applicable "after" the OS is loaded..unlike real true hardware raid controllers
[14:54] <FortKnight> alterjsive: /dev/md0 only exists when you're booted to that 32GB usb
[14:54] <alterjsive> ok
[14:54] <tomreyn> jcdutton: depends on the installer, i think. with 18.04.1, all installers should accept /boot on raid-1 (IIRC)
[14:54] <FortKnight> alterjsive: the moment you boot something else....it's bye bye
[14:56] <jcdutton> tomreyn, yes, it depends on a combination of BIOS and grub understanding it so that they can get as far as reading /boot
[14:56] <alterjsive> my bios has raid 0 support but not raid  5
[14:56] <alterjsive> in bios software raid that is
[14:57] <tomreyn> jcdutton: grub2 can boot off mdadm raid levels 0,1,5,6 etc.
[14:57] <alterjsive> every 2 years I lose everything
[14:57] <alterjsive> and I was tired of reinstalling
[14:57] <regedit> hello. hoping to get my touchpad to function normally. Issues: 1) some taps are missed altogether (even xev shows nothing on those missed taps. sensitivity issue?) 2) touchpad corner buttons are not distinct; they always do LMB
[14:57] <tomreyn> alterjsive: dont use the raid options on your bios.
[14:58] <alterjsive> tomreyn, yes I wanted to try raid 5
[14:58] <FortKnight> alterjsive: consider a complete system backup
[14:58] <alterjsive> with mdadm
[14:58] <FortKnight> alterjsive: make a image of your system
[14:58] <alterjsive> I did a dd but I still couldn't restore
[14:58] <FortKnight> alterjsive: for disaster recovery purposes
[14:59] <FortKnight> alterjsive: i wouldn't use "dd"
[14:59] <tomreyn> alterjsive: i suggested a partitioning scheme earlier, which should work. i can repeat it if needed.
[14:59] <FortKnight> alterjsive: dd works but is for advanced users IMO
[14:59] <FortKnight> alterjsive: clonezilla or G4L/ghost for linux
[15:00] <jcdutton> tomreyn, but most of grub has to be able to load before it can boot off mdraid. /boot/grub/i386-pc contains the grub modules that are needed to be loaded in order to understand md raid
[15:00] <FortKnight> alterjsive: the potential for human error is high with dd if you're not super experienced
[15:01] <alterjsive> FortKnight, I noticed
[15:02] <FortKnight> alterjsive: clonezilla or G4L you could watch a few youtube videos and have a successful backup soon after
[15:02] <tomreyn> jcdutton: so how does grub boot off a /boot file system which is on top of raid-1 then?
[15:02] <alterjsive> I'm just to lazy to backup, this is why I was trying mdadm raid 5. I want a balance between speed, space and redundancy
[15:02] <alterjsive> I will switch to raid 6 later
[15:02] <tomreyn> jcdutton: mdadm raid-1 that is
[15:03] <FortKnight> alterjsive: on consumer laptops/desktops all you get is cheap fake / software / windows raid...linux ain't cool with fake raid for the purpose of installing the OS onto a OS dependent raid array...keyword being "OS dependent"
[15:04] <alterjsive> anyway, without an non raid efi block device, i can't install grub right? fdisk still the EFI partition is there but the block device is gone
[15:05] <FortKnight> alterjsive: so for the most part you can remove raid from your brain unless you're just storing "files" and "folders" of data on a fake raid for just generic storage....not to boot from
[15:06] <FortKnight> alterjsive: it's different for enterprise class systems like a HP Proliant / Dell PowerEdge server with true raid controllers
[15:06] <alterjsive> FortKnight, i've seen people do it on youtube with ubuntu server 18.04
[15:06] <alterjsive> FortKnight, is this fake?
[15:06] <sentiment> tomreyn: noone from ##networking answered so far, but I logged using wireshark and I can see a problem with 504 gateway timeout
[15:07] <sentiment> from another IP than the target
[15:07] <alterjsive> Is there a laptop raid controller?
[15:07] <FortKnight> alterjsive: realize if the raid is created "in" the OS the OS is already active and in use
[15:07] <sentiment> why it works in Windows or https, is beyond me
[15:07] <FortKnight> alterjsive: horse before the buggy...you can't put the buggy in front of the horse
[15:08] <tomreyn> sentiment: maybe it's as simple as this middlebox inspecting the user agent of the http request,a nd branching on windows vs. 'something else'
[15:08] <sentiment> tomreyn: 'and https'...
[15:08] <sentiment> https works too
[15:09] <sentiment> because they can't inspect?
[15:09] <sentiment> but user agent is not encrypted
[15:09] <FortKnight> alterjsive: there are PCI /PCI-x/PCI Express add in cards that are true raid controllers...but you need a physical "slot" to put the card into..
[15:10] <FortKnight> alterjsive: Dell had some high end "workstation" laptops called Precision workstations that had true raid but those are not designed for gaming those are real mobile "workstations" with Xeon CPU's
[15:10] <tomreyn> sentiment: iran uses those very ugly blue coats for traffic inspection and manipulation, acquired from nokia siemens networks (amongst others) in the past decade.
[15:11] <tomreyn> sentiment: they dont handle ssl.
[15:11] <sentiment> dunno
[15:11] <alterjsive> FortKnight, sounds awesome, will look into it
[15:12] <lavinho> help me please
[15:16] <FortKnight> lavinho: 1st step is you helping yourself by elaborating on what you need help with specifically
[15:17] <sentiment> can't access http://my.gotoclass.ir either
[15:18] <sentiment> and this one doesn't have ssl
[15:18] <sentiment> and again it opens on my phone
[15:20] <FortKnight> sentiment: does your browser show an error? chrome or firefox?
[15:20] <jcdutton> tomreyn, Just read the grub2 man page. grub2 can be configured to understand almost any partition type for /boot, but configuring what goes in the core.img file.
[15:21] <sentiment> FortKnight: both disconnect because they can't get the response
[15:21] <sentiment> and wireshark shows an error in the response
[15:21] <sentiment> (504 bad gateway in a middle router)
[15:22] <sentiment> both sites open on my phone
[15:23] <sentiment> I feel horrible for wasting my over this for hours. :( and I don't want to sound naggy sorry
[15:23] <lavinho> my wireless network card is not detected in ubuntu 18.04 with the lspci command. What do I do ?
[15:23] <FortKnight> sentiment: phone is using cellular data?
[15:23] <sentiment> but this is really a waste of time when my other devices work. please tell me this is not normal with Linux
[15:23] <sentiment> FortKnight: same network
[15:24] <sentiment> FortKnight: same setup everywhere, no doubt about that.
[15:24] <sentiment> just a few sites refuse to work
[15:24] <sentiment> no issues with SSL either
[15:24] <sentiment> DNS working fine
[15:24] <sentiment> (connection establishes, but response fails)
[15:25] <FortKnight> sentiment: browser error 504= gateway timeout
[15:25] <sentiment> no browser error
[15:25] <sentiment> that was from Wireshark
[15:26] <FortKnight> sentiment: do you have control over the gateway or is it controlled by someone else?
[15:26] <sentiment> a middle router returns that error
[15:26] <FortKnight> sentiment: sounds like something you have ZERO control over
[15:26] <sentiment> the related router IP is: 93.184.220.29
[15:27] <FortKnight> sentiment: all you have control over is your local router, have you power cycled it recently?
[15:27] <sentiment> FortKnight: but how come it works on my phone? and how come it was working last week? I did an update to 16.04.05 and I guess that is the point it began to fail
[15:28] <sentiment> FortKnight: I restart it every night
[15:28] <FortKnight> sentiment: you can't do anything about a remote router you have no control over
[15:28] <sentiment> turn off at night / turn on at morning
[15:29] <sentiment> FortKnight: why Linux then? can you explain ?
[15:31] <tomreyn> jcdutton: thanks for looking this up, i wasn't aware of how it works exactly. which man page was this specifically?
[15:31] <jcdutton> tomreyn, https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Images
[15:32] <alterjsive> with mdadm raid ubuntu tries to install grub on my usb drive
[15:33] <jcdutton> alterjsive, what partition type are you using, GPT partition?
[15:33] <tomreyn> jcdutton: thank you, i just found it on 'info grub', too
[15:33] <alterjsive> jcdutton, yes
[15:34] <jcdutton> Does it have an GPT partition?
[15:34] <alterjsive> yes
[15:34] <jcdutton> Have you created a "BIOS Boot parition" ?
[15:35] <alterjsive> jcdutton, no, only efi
[15:35] <jcdutton> alterjsive, as explained here: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#BIOS-installation
[15:37] <jcdutton> alterjsive, but when partitioning, you have to be really careful, because it can wipe all your data, so backup first.
[15:41] <FortKnight> alterjsive: /dev/sde and /dev/sdf are both USB as per http://termbin.com/2w40 so you might clarify which usb it tried to install to
[15:41] <FortKnight> alterjsive: for clarification purposes
[15:42] <tomreyn> jcdutton: with efi, the grub core image is placed on the ESP: "diff /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/core.efi /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi" shows that both files are identical.
[15:42] <FortKnight> alterjsive: you created an software/fake raid array while using kubuntu on /dev/sdf 32GB USB so...
[15:43] <tomreyn> jcdutton: note that i don't do secureboot, otherwise they'd probably differ
[15:43] <FortKnight> alterjsive: what were you expecting?
[15:43] <tomreyn> jcdutton: actually no, wouldnt differ, secureboot is applied on shimx64.efi
[15:44] <alterjsive> FortKnight, sorry I've seen it work on youtube so I didn't want to give up yet
[15:45] <FortKnight> alterjsive: post the link to this youtube video you speak of
[15:46] <FortKnight> alterjsive: I wanna see it
[15:47] <alterjsive> I've made a document on goo.gl/rB6w8P
[15:47] <tomreyn> jcdutton: my point there is you dont need a bios_grub partition on systems which will exclusively uefi boot. and you can still boot off advanced raid levels thanks to this core.efi which should contain the grub modules. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28443/does-grub2-support-putting-boot-on-a-raid5-partition also claims that grub2 can boot off those.
[15:47] <alterjsive> with my setup
[15:48] <FortKnight> alterjsive: so you do not have the youtube video you speak of?
[15:48] <FortKnight> alterjsive: then i'd have to assume there's something you didn't factor in due to inexperience
[15:49] <alterjsive> I included a link, still searching for 18.04 specificly
[15:49] <FortKnight> alterjsive: like the youtube video creator having a hw controller vs your win raid/bios raid
[15:50] <alterjsive> FortKnight, I see
[15:51] <sentiment> tomreyn: changed the user agent using wget, no avail
[15:51] <sentiment> the ##networking is idle :/
[15:51] <tomreyn> sentiment: so it's one of the many other fingerprintable properties of the packets you send.
[15:51] <jcdutton> tomreyn, so alterjsive just needs to build their own core.efi module that can read raid5, because the default one cannot
[15:52] <sentiment> that identify Linux?
[15:52] <tomreyn> jcdutton: oh, i wasn't aware it can't
[15:52] <tomreyn> jcdutton: i guess the easier route then is to have /boot, and have it on raid1, as the installer would also allow.
[15:55] <sentiment> tomreyn: on the 7th try with wget, it finally returned a response: 301!!
[15:55] <sentiment> what does that mean?
[15:55] <tomreyn> sentiment: i dont know
[15:55] <sentiment> I know the 301, what's the overall meaning?
[15:56] <sentiment> 301= moved permanently
[15:56] <jcdutton> alterjsive, you need to use grub-mkimage  to make a core image that supports raid5
[15:57] <tomreyn> sentiment: i dont manage these systems, can't tell how they decide how to handle which TCP packets and HTTP requests. you'd need to talk to whoever manages them, but i assume they wont talk to you.
[15:58] <sentiment> ok
[15:58] <FortKnight> alterjsive: i watched the vid
[16:00] <FortKnight> alterjsive: if you pause it at 3:58 or 3minutes and 58 seconds there's a warning he quickly tries to skip past
[16:01] <FortKnight> alterjsive: also note the 2GB primaries he's creating on each virtual disk of the virtual machine
[16:02] <tomreyn> alterjsive: the youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5dbOLmHd4A shows a BIOS (not UEFI) booting virtualbox VM. it boots ubuntu server 16.04 (based on debian-installer), which is a different installer than the default installer of 18.04 (based on subiquity). your textual recipe seems to install using ubiquity, the ubuntu desktop (not server) installer.
[16:02] <tomreyn> also, you still seemto try to place the ESP on a raid array, which is probably why grub fails to install.
[16:04] <tomreyn> you may also need to mount -t efivars efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
[16:04] <alterjsive> tomreyn, if this fails I would try ubuntu server 18.04 alternative installer. I tried the normal installer already
[16:04] <tomreyn> makes sense
[16:08] <kajzer> kajzer
[16:08] <jcdutton> alterjsive, I simple way I would have done this is reserve about 1GB for a /boot at the beginning of each disk in the array, and then raid /dev/sda2, sdb2 etc. instead of the whole disk
[16:09] <alterjsive> brb
[16:10] <lolcat-007> hello, i just install a new ubuntu 18.04 and i notice that i have some partition like /dev/loop with 100% of used is that ok
[16:10] <lolcat-007> ?
[16:10] <tomreyn> lolcat-007: yes, this is going to be a snap
[16:11] <FortKnight> alterjsive: https://imgur.com/CM6mzeY
[16:11] <alterjsive> jcdutton, I did that
[16:12] <lolcat-007> tomreyn, ok
[16:12] <FortKnight> alterjsive: the installer even knows this makes no sense https://imgur.com/CM6mzeY
[16:13] <jcdutton> alterjsive, what is the link to the pastebin output showing your partitions etc.?
[16:13] <FortKnight> alterjsive: i'd copy cat that guy on a virtualbox VM just like he's doing "verbatim"
[16:14] <FortKnight> alterjsive: instead of trying it on your lappy you got there...guaranteed FAIL
[16:14] <alterjsive> ok
[16:15] <alterjsive> I've added a gist of raid 0, where it succieeded
[16:16] <FortKnight> alterjsive: i screen shot the video because it seems like he tried to quickly skip paste that little warning there
[16:16] <FortKnight> past
[16:16] <Dice>   teamviewer : Depends: lib32asound2 but it is not installable               Depends: ia32-libs but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:16] <alterjsive> ok :)
[16:16] <Dice> How do I solve this issue?
[16:16] <FortKnight> the whole bootable logical partition thing
[16:16] <Dice> This happened after I was instructed to use a certain command to uninstall the current teamviewer installation which apparently uninstalled those other thigns as well
[16:17] <Dice> Now I get this error when installing a new version
[16:18] <alterjsive> FortKnight, it
[16:18] <alterjsive> its a bit low res
[16:18] <oerheks> Dice, there *is* a 64 bit teamviewer, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[16:19] <Dice> oerheks: I have to downgrade according to a forum post where someone had the same problem as me
[16:19] <Dice> although it's impossible to know for sure with this OS apparently
[16:19] <alterjsive> FortKnight, sorry my bad, I should request desktop site
[16:19] <Dice> oerheks: it's because I have to use the terminal, no gui
[16:20] <oerheks> teamviewer, no gui, interesting
[16:21] <Dice> oerheks: yes, I need to be able to connect to teamviewer so I can use the gui on the computer
[16:21] <alterjsive> jcdutton, I mounted sys, isn't that recursive ?
[16:21] <Dice> x11 does not work
[16:21] <Dice> I currently only have ssh access and I need teamviewer to be able to use a screen
[16:21] <kyoei> Anyone have opinion best way to install Steam, repo or snap?
[16:22] <Dice> now every install I try has dependency problems
[16:22] <alterjsive> FortKnight, I added a gist to the document, it says kubuntu is too buggy
[16:24] <Dice> how do I solve the dependency problem?
[16:46] <regedit> please help with touchpad 1) 50% or more of taps are ignored, even xev sometimes shows nothing upon some tapping 2) touchpad corner/bottom button only functions as Mouse Button 1 or LMB, it should usually detect LMB on left corner and RMB on right corner
[16:51] <Dice> "grub2-mkconfig: command not found" How do I solve this problem? Google gives almost no results, and the results I get I do not understand
[16:52] <tomreyn> regedit: if no ones' available to help with this, you can search launchpad.net for a bug report, or file a new one using "ubuntu-bug"
[16:53] <tomreyn> !details | Dice
[16:53] <Dice> tomreyn: I am having an issue with Teamviewer, and the solution according to a forum is to edit a file, which I've done, and then run this: "sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg"
[16:54] <Dice> However, when I run this I get the error that the command is not found
[16:54] <tomreyn> Dice: i don'T see how grub is related to teamviewer
[16:55] <ioria> Dice, can you show us the source of that info ?
[16:55] <Dice> ioria: tomreyn https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/Linux/Teamviewer-Host-EC2-Ubuntu-Server-The-framebuffer-console-seems/td-p/9964
[16:56] <tomreyn> Dice: which ubuntu release (lsb_release -ds) is this, which architecture (dpkg --print-architecture), how was teamviewer installed?
[16:56] <ioria> Dice, and you have that specific issue ?
[16:56] <Dice> That link may not be correct though, the google result shows the error I googled, but I cannot find it in the post itself
[16:57] <Dice> In that case, Google gives me zero answers to this
[16:58] <ioria> Dice, see what tomreyn asked; (btw, you  run   sudo update-grub after editing  /etc/default/grub)
[16:58] <tomreyn> Dice: you're not answering ioria's or my questions.
[16:58] <Dice> tomreyn: installed using gdebi, downloaded the .deb and ran dgebi [deb file]
[16:59] <Dice> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[16:59] <tomreyn> there is not a single .deb, which one exactly?
[16:59] <Dice> the newest one tomreyn teamviewer_amd64.deb
[16:59] <Dice> architechture amd64
[17:00] <ioria> Dice, and it got installed correctly ?
[17:00] <tomreyn> Dice: so what is the issue you were trying to solve when you ended up on this forum post?
[17:01] <Dice> ioria: yes, I can get the ID and almost connect to it (even though connection gets refused), this is why I have to do the setup: https://pastebin.com/mWJAcSxb
[17:01] <Dice> Which returns that error
[17:01] <Dice> I don't know why it says this
[17:02] <ioria> Dice, maybe this then: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/Linux/Trying-to-launch-teamviewer-from-SSH/td-p/8325
[17:03] <Dice> ioria: looks like the same problem, there's no answer though
[17:03] <Dice> that page does not show up in my google results by the way
[17:04] <madLyfe> tomreyn: you remember my question earlier this morning about trash taking up space locally even when things were sent to trash from remote shares or other internal drives? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Kz0Ti8V9/image.png
[17:04] <tomreyn> Dice: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/Knowledge-Base/How-to-install-TeamViewer-on-Linux-without-graphical-user/ta-p/4352
[17:04] <Dice> tomreyn: I've followed these steps and they work
[17:05] <ioria> Dice, i don't use TV... can you start it from a textual console  or is a gui app ?
[17:05] <Dice> ioria: I can start it from the terminal and connect to it if I'm able to use the setup command
[17:05] <Dice> tomreyn: I get an error that's not addressed in that link though
[17:05] <rexwin_> I just installed minimal ubuntu and cannot putty into it
[17:06] <ioria> Dice, no idea... switch to tty, stop lightdm/gdm3 and run TV again
[17:06] <rexwin_> ufw disable already run
[17:06] <tomreyn> madLyfe: yes i do
[17:07] <tomreyn> rexwin_: did you install an openssh server?
[17:08] <rexwin_> i am doing that
[17:08] <madLyfe> tomreyn: so if i empty the trash, the stuff that came from remote/other drives will still be on those locations?
[17:08] <tomreyn> rexwin_: i'm not certain that mini.iso would do this by default
[17:09] <rexwin_> all good
[17:09] <tomreyn> madLyfe: unless they're mounted and the data can be removed off them, i'd say.
[17:10] <madLyfe> all locations are mounted, one is a smd share and other is internal drives.
[17:11] <tomreyn> madLyfe: i'm not into "smd share" but, if those locations are writable, i'd expect the data to be removed off your UIDs .Trash directories on those storages.
[17:13] <tomreyn> madLyfe: take it with a grain of salt, though, since i have not used the 'Trash' functionality in a long time, try to delete instantly whenever possible.
[17:14] <madLyfe> tyvm
[17:14] <tomreyn> Dice: i don't know then. it's a GUI application, you should probably have a GUI to install and configure it.
[17:15] <tomreyn> Dice: you can try reaching out to their support...
[17:15] <tomreyn> madLyfe: yw
[17:29] <Dice> ioria: do you know how to stop any "X servers" from the terminal
[17:29] <Dice> ?
[17:29] <Edico> Hi! Is there an equivalent program for ck-list-sessions in ubuntu 18.04? It seems consolekit has been removed.
[17:30] <ioria> Dice, not a good idead, if a X session is running
[17:30] <Dice> ioria: it isn't or shouldn't
[17:30] <Dice> I've never started an x server or used anything like that
[17:30] <ioria> Dice, it's not not
[17:31] <ioria> Dice, maybe the problem is that you're using tv via ssh ....
[17:32] <Dice> ioria: how?
[17:32] <ioria> Dice, how what , sy ?
[17:32] <Dice> I have to install it using ssh so I can connect to it with teamviewer
[17:32] <ioria> nope, afaik
[17:32] <Dice> ioria: what do you mean?
[17:33] <ioria> Dice, 2013 post but check the 9th point : http://www.tonisoto.com/2013/07/launching-teamviewer-remotely-throught-ssh/
[17:34] <Dice> ioria: I've tried it, and it doesn't work
[17:34] <Dice> connecting using ID and password just gives "connection refused", that's why I'm trying to do "teamviewer setup" to setup an account and connect that way to see if that makes a difference
[17:35] <ioria> Dice, please, that 9th point tells you can't use ssh
[17:35] <energizer> how do i find out which packages ship installed on 18.04
[17:35] <Dice> ioria: no, it says I have to close it before connecting
[17:35] <Dice> installing it worked no problem
[17:35] <ioria> Dice, and use anothe tool
[17:36] <ioria> *another
[17:36] <Dice> I need to have it running on the computer and connect to it using teamviewer, I don't use ssh for that
[17:36] <Dice> ioria: the thing you linked me says it should work
[17:36] <Dice> I don't know if you're understanding the problem
[17:36] <ioria> Dice, maybe not
[17:37] <Dice> the only thing I need to do is *set up* teamviewer through ssh
[17:37] <Dice> so that I can connect to it later, using only teamviewer
[17:39] <Dice> I don't understand how installing a simple program can have so many errors
[17:45] <Dice> if I have to contact teamviewer because of some bizarre nonsensical error message when trying to install a simple program, then it's better to just delete the entire OS and install something better
[17:49] <FortKnight> Dice: why can't you sit in front of the machine locally and install teamviweer?
[17:49] <Dice> FortKnight: because it's very far away
[17:49] <FortKnight> Dice: oh i see
[17:49] <Dice> and now it's telling me something about an X server, I've never started an "x server"
[17:50] <Dice> I don't know why I'm getting this nonsensical error message, it's impossible for me to find out where it comes from
[17:50] <Dice> meanwhile on Windows, it took 3 clicks to install the entire thing no problem
[17:50] <FortKnight> Dice: teamviewer sessions are graphical / xserver
[17:50] <FortKnight> Dice: so if your system doesn't run Xserver/GUI teamviewer isn't going to be of much use
[17:50] <Dice> then I don't know why it wants me to close a non-existing x server
[17:51] <Dice> none of it makes sense whatsoever
[17:51] <tonyt> x server is started when you boot into ubuntu, unless that has changed
[17:51] <Dice> then I need to somehow close that
[17:51] <tonyt> dice you kill x server you will lose you GUI. unless ubuntu uses some else now
[17:51] <FortKnight> Dice: you can't install it remotely over ssh, the install will fail to pass all the checks
[17:52] <Dice> then this server is not configured to be usable remotely
[17:52] <FortKnight> Dice: you'll need to have a "local" administrator install it
[17:53] <Dice> FortKnight: I don't know what that is
[17:53] <Dice> oh I get what you mean
[17:53] <Dice> I read a non-existing comma
[17:53] <Dice> FortKnight: yes, but that's impossible
[17:53] <FortKnight> Dice: a guy that can physically put his hands on the box/system
[17:53] <Dice> yes
[17:53] <Dice> such a guy does not exist
[17:53] <Dice> this server is clearly not configured to be usable remotely
[17:54] <FortKnight> Dice: then i think you are SOL
[17:54] <FortKnight> Dice: is it one of those hosted VPS systems?
[17:54] <Dice> it's a server that my computer setup in his Swedish home before moving to South Korea
[17:54] <Dice> my friend* not my computer lol
[17:54] <Dice> although my computer is my only friend after he moved
[17:55] <FortKnight> Dice: lol
[17:55] <FortKnight> Dice: at least you can ssh into it for administrative tasks
[17:56] <Dice> yes, it's only half usable
[17:57] <ioria> Dice, sudo teamviewer license     you got a response ?
[17:58] <Dice> ioria: yes, this:
[17:58] <Dice>  1 An X server is currently running on the active VT (virtual console). Please shut down your X session or display manager.
[17:58] <ioria> ah
[18:52] <lolcat-007> hello, how can i control the bandwidth of my local network in ubuntu
[18:52] <lolcat-007> ?
[18:53] <totallyserious> I have a bunch of tests that I want to perform on a given payload. Can you think of a software pattern useful for me?
[19:02] <tomreyn> lolcat-007: normally, that's a task you'd run on a switch, router or firewall, called 'bandwidth shaping', you can also do this on a single computer, but it's a bit complex. what you can do easily is limiting the bandwidth a certain application can use, using the 'trickle' software.
[19:07] <lolcat-007> tomreyn, in my case my router doesnt have that restriction so what i looking for is something like selfishnet so i can control my entire local network
[19:07] <lolcat-007> anyhelp
[19:07] <lolcat-007> ?
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | lolcat-007
[19:07] <tomreyn> lolcat-007: what is your goal there?
[19:09] <lolcat-007> tomreyn, for example my dad watch netflix all the time with a roku device so when i try to download something the speed is very low so how can i control my local network from my ubuntu machine
[19:11] <oerheks> upgrade your ISP connection? there is no fix when your dad is consuming bandwidth
[19:11] <tomreyn> lolcat-007: if the "ubuntu machine" is just another client on the same LAN as the "roku device" then you should either reconfigure the roku device to not use so much bandwidth generally or do bandwidth shaping on the gateway (router) which both computers go through to access th einternet
[19:12] <tomreyn> https://www.howtogeek.com/289289/how-to-limit-bandwidth-usage-on-your-roku/
[19:14] <lolcat-007> tomreyn, ok but what happen if my router doesnt support bandwidth shaping cause i cant find that
[19:16] <alterjsive> do you guys like lvm luks encryption?
[19:17] <oerheks> that fix on the Roku will decrease performance/screen resolution
[19:17] <alterjsive> or is kubuntu vault more practical?
[19:17] <tomreyn> lolcat-007: as i explained, you can either do bandwidth shaping on the router (but in your case that's not an option) or limiting the bandwidth the clients consume (which the abive link helps with). we're way outside of the domain of ubuntu support here.
[19:17] <FortKnight> lolcat-007: on your home network...you need to understand that every device is merely a "peer"
[19:18] <FortKnight> lolcat-007: meaning your box has no greater privileges than any other box from the LAN/network perspective
[19:18] <alterjsive> tomreyn, I switched to bios software raid 1 instead.
[19:18] <FortKnight> lolcat-007: so you got no power to enforce anything from your little box..it's a "peer" to every other box on the LAN
[19:19] <oerheks> alterjsive, kubuntu vault  is just an encrypted folder, LVM/Luks gives a whole encrypted installation
[19:19] <tomreyn> alterjsive: i see
[19:19] <oerheks> which will be slower than non encrypted Kubuntu
[19:19] <lolcat-007> ok
[19:19] <lolcat-007> i got you
[19:19] <alterjsive> FortKnight, tomreyn, thx for the help today
[19:20] <FortKnight> lolcat-007: you probably thought linux gave you magical powers.....it does NOT
[19:20] <alterjsive> FortKnight, your right raid 5 is not possible on my system
[19:20] <alterjsive> oerheks, would you use both?
[19:23] <kyoei> repost: Anyone have opinion best way to install Steam, repo or snap?
[19:24] <pinkyboo> Hi I am using the latest Ubuntu version. How can I install Wine to my OS?
[19:25] <oerheks> alterjsive, well, you can, and put password encrypted files in that folder, tripple encryption.
[19:25] <kyoei> pinkyboo, https://linuxconfig.org/install-wine-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[19:25] <lolcat-007> FortKnight, yes, gnu/linux is powerfull
[19:25] <oerheks> kyoei, snaps will be faster with updates.
[19:25]  * enyc meows
[19:29] <bray90820> Is a 2gb flash drive big enough to make an ubuntu install disk?
[19:30] <pinkyboo> kyoei: thanks for the link. This wine thing looks a big one
[19:30] <oerheks> bray90820, sure, http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.1/
[19:33] <kyoei> oerheks, yeah, just looks like it's packaged by the Solus people, who are undergoing some turmoil currently, so wondered about stability/continued updates, etc
[19:33] <oerheks> or an 128 mb flashdrive, but then you would need wired networking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:33] <oerheks> solus?
[19:33] <kyoei> oerheks, it's a distro
[19:33] <oerheks> no, our iso's are done by ubuntu/canonical
[19:34] <kyoei> oerheks, the snap is packaged by the solus maintainers, no?
[19:34] <kyoei> oerheks, not an iso
[19:34] <FortKnight> alterjsive: your GS70 2QE bios "raid" mode is dependent on a Intel RapidStorage Technology "windows" driver. aka win raid/fake raid
[19:34] <oerheks> kyoei, oops, i misread
[19:35] <kyoei> I'll give the snap a go, why not
[19:35] <oerheks> kyoei, i see no official steam in the list https://snapcraft.io/search?category=&q=steam
[19:35] <FortKnight> alterjsive: windows wouldn't even install to it without the windows raid driver
[19:36] <kyoei> oerheks, "solus-runtime-gaming
[19:37] <pinkyboo> kyoei: http://prntscr.com/kv46yc I installed that tool at https://app.prntscr.com/tr/wine-lightshot.html by wine
[19:38] <pinkyboo> kyoei: it showed some error while install (I pasted a link with screenshot) but the tool works... I mean I took the screenshot with that installed tool. It was showing error on terminal but On the side it opened an install window like you do on windows machines and installed like that.
[19:39] <pinkyboo> kyoei: is it done right or shall I care about erorr messages and reinstall it?
[19:40] <nisankhindia> install play in linux with wine
[19:40] <kyoei> I think you should install it from the wineHQ, but I'm not wine expert...
[19:40] <nisankhindia> two package: play on linux , wine
[19:40] <pinkyboo> what is wine anyway?
[19:41] <oerheks> !wine
[19:41] <nisankhindia> and if looking for steam than add multiverse repo
[19:41] <pinkyboo> kyoei: I mean do I need that Wine thing working all the time to use that screenshot tool that I installed?
[19:42] <nisankhindia> steam can be installed via ubuntu repository .. Multiverse repo of ubuntu
[19:42] <pinkyboo> I want to uninstall that Wine and that screenshot tool from my ubuntu.
[19:44] <pinkyboo> Will this uninstall the Wİne from my unbutu with all its files sudo apt --purge remove wine
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: not entirely
[19:45] <oerheks> you will need to remove the ~/.wine folders too
[19:45] <nisankhindia> use command apt search wine , it will show you the exact name of the package , wine32 , wine64 etc etc )
[19:45] <pinkyboo> sudo apt autoremove wine either?
[19:46] <nisankhindia> use dpkg or apt with purge
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: --purge will remove all known (through the package installer) configuration files and application. Items created in your home directory or other parts of the file system (created by applications within Wine) will remain.
[19:46] <kyoei> pinkyboo, find the .wine folder and rm -r .wine/
[19:46] <kittykitty> got uswsusp configured and working with encrypted swap but after resuming from hibernate some data is still left in swap and doing a swapoff does not grow the ram footprint by the size of the swap usage. If it hibernates enough then the resume becomes slow but the swap usage never grows too much. There is exactly the same amount of ram as swap. I cant find anything online other than an unanswered old forum post.
[19:46] <kittykitty> Any ideas?
[19:46] <pinkyboo> i did apt search wine | pastebinit and here is the result http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kRsN6YtngY/
[19:47] <oerheks> hybernate and swap, an issue for years, as the key is stored in swap, which your system cannot access
[19:47] <nisankhindia> now do sudo apt purge --auto-remove wine-stable
[19:48] <kittykitty> oerheks: my resume works. It's just that the swap isn't cleared on resume
[19:50] <nisankhindia> if not an advanced user use stacer to clean up remainings of any une=used package tmp files , logs etc
[19:50] <nisankhindia> stacer is safer than bleechit
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> kittykitty: standard practice is that if you are intended to encrypt your data at rest, you should never use stand-by or hibernate features. Always power off the machine.
[19:51] <pinkyboo> It removed Wine I guess but there are still files... Here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hnS62mSDt2/
[19:51] <nisankhindia> use stacer now
[19:51] <nisankhindia> you are seems to be not a adavanced user
[19:51] <nisankhindia> so keep it simple and go simple
[19:51] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: me?
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: what command did you use to generate that list?
[19:52] <nisankhindia> look for wine related packages
[19:53] <nisankhindia> and the tag [installed] or [installed , automatically]
[19:53] <nisankhindia> than remove them
[19:53] <nisankhindia> carefull some lib packages related to other package or app
[19:53] <kittykitty> pragmaticenigma: any reason? It's FDE with LVM containing a swap so the partition is definitely encrypted. Hibernate works on my setup. Just need some help with some specifics of the uswsusp package and not the standard hibernate
[19:53] <nisankhindia> apt autoremove should be used
[19:54] <nisankhindia> for future use install stacer
[19:54] <nisankhindia> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oguzhaninan/stacer
[19:55] <nisankhindia> sudo apt install stacer
[19:55] <pinkyboo> pragmaticenigma: apt search wine | pastebinit
[19:55] <nisankhindia> than after installation run
[19:55] <nisankhindia> sudo stacer
[19:55] <oerheks> carefull with PPAs ..
[19:56] <nisankhindia> dont worry about this PPA https://github.com/oguzhaninan/Stacer
[19:56] <nisankhindia> this developer is reputed one
[19:57] <nisankhindia> specially in RPM and DEB based distros
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> kittykitty: because stand-by and hibernate are both functions that will write the key to disk... that's why. There is no guarantee that the data written into the swap files or hibernation files is properly encrypted.
[19:58] <oerheks> nisankhindia, still it is a PPA, we don't support those packages officially
[19:58] <regedit> nisankhindia: because he works for the NSA
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> kittykitty: If you're serious about protecting data, you don't want the key to ever be saved to the disk, no matter what
[19:58] <nisankhindia> than why ubuntu officially supports PPA to lauch , make me understand that
[19:59] <nisankhindia> like My PPA or This developer PPA
[19:59] <oerheks> !ppa
[19:59] <oerheks> we have no control over them
[19:59] <nisankhindia> nop
[19:59] <nisankhindia> wrong
[20:00] <nisankhindia> PPA concept is different
[20:00] <nisankhindia> read ubuntu docs
[20:00] <kittykitty> pragmaticenigma: if they wern't properly encrypted then the data on the root partition would also not be secure, the resume still needs the encryption password to actually start the machine
[20:00] <oerheks> nisankhindia, please, i know what i am talking about.
[20:00] <tomreyn> ^ he does
[20:02] <nisankhindia> apart from 4 available repo in ubuntu e.f main , multiverse , restricted and universe , why ubuntu uses partner and PPA , you will see the answer thank you
[20:02] <pinkyboo> How can I make sure that I completely deleted all Wine files from my ubuntu?
[20:02] <oerheks> ubuntu does not review the sourcecode on launchpad PPAs, volunteers do.
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> kittykitty: at this point, your support question is out of scope for this channel (and I suspect you've been told that before). Please seek out a channel dedicated to encryption, or the developer of the software you are using.
[20:03] <nisankhindia> and about this PPA , all others verified the package
[20:03] <kittykitty> pragmaticenigma: alright, np
[20:04] <pinkyboo> kyoei:  still around?
[20:04] <nisankhindia> wine files wait
[20:04] <kyoei> pinkyboo, yes, sorry
[20:04] <nisankhindia> what ubuntu release you are using
[20:04] <nisankhindia> recent one or older releae
[20:05] <nisankhindia> release *
[20:05] <nisankhindia> use command
[20:05] <nisankhindia> sudo rm -fR $HOME/.wine
[20:05] <djangoboss> is there anyway to know what path an external HDD was mounted yesterday? the server was restarted without the external HDD but I want to mount it to same path.
[20:07] <pinkyboo> kyoei: How can I make sure that I completely deleted all Wine files from my ubuntu?
[20:08] <pinkyboo> kyoei: Here is result of "apt search wine | pastebinit" : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fS7B3nx9Xp/
[20:08] <pragmaticenigma> djangoboss: Do you mean the path to access the data or the path to device from which you mount?
[20:08] <nisankhindia> if you have used purge while removing wine using package manager than your all configuration files along with package will be removed , rest you need to remove the dot folder
[20:08] <nisankhindia> thats it
[20:09] <kyoei> pinkyboo, "find / -name wine"
[20:10] <kyoei> pinkyboo, but I agree with nisankhindia you should just have to rm -R ~/.wine
[20:10] <kyoei> pinkyboo, got to run, good luck
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> djangoboss: In either case, not really. If you are talking about the /dev/sd@# path, you should use the alternative UUID method. mounting a drive via it's listing in "/dev/disk/by-uuid/" ... this value is unique to each drive attached to the computer
[20:11] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: Any other tool installed by/with/via Wine will be deleted too when I uninstall Wine?
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> djangoboss: If you are thinking about the path "/media/{user}/device_folder" that is generated when a drive is plugged in while a user is logged in. And the path generated us usually "/media/{user}/{drive_partition_label}"
[20:12] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  here is the result of find / -name wine | pastebinit
[20:12] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo when one use the purge with apt or dpkg it will automatically remove almost everything
[20:13] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  here is the result of find / -name wine | pastebinit : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3FpY4R4Tq8/
[20:13] <nisankhindia> try this whereis wine
[20:14] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  result of "rm -R ~/.wine" :  rm: cannot remove '/home/db/.wine': No such file or directory
[20:14] <nisankhindia> # whereis wine
[20:14] <pinkyboo> wine: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/wine /usr/lib/wine /usr/share/wine
[20:14] <nisankhindia> check whether the folder exist or not
[20:15] <nisankhindia> first open the file manager/explorer , than from the home directory press Ctrl + H
[20:15] <nisankhindia> it will show you all hidden folders and files
[20:15] <nisankhindia> than look for .wine folder
[20:18] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: folder is not there... Is it because I used your command and these here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/WscJT2jMJG/
[20:18] <nisankhindia> ok than dot folder is deleted
[20:18] <nisankhindia> now check other folders
[20:18] <nisankhindia> like cd /usr/lib/
[20:18] <nisankhindia> than look for wine
[20:20] <nisankhindia> do check these all
[20:21] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  db@linuxbox:/usr/lib$ whereis wine wine: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/wine /usr/lib/wine /usr/share/wine
[20:21] <nisankhindia> run command ls win*
[20:21] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: inside home or usr/lib ?
[20:22] <nisankhindia> no as you can see when you do execute command whereis wine , follow the output and the directories
[20:22] <nisankhindia> than inside them do double check using ls win*
[20:23] <pinkyboo> wine  wine64  wineserver32  wineserver64
[20:23] <nisankhindia> do you have any pcakage manager GUI app
[20:24] <sentiment> can anyone answer this question? https://askubuntu.com/q/1075844/844667
[20:24] <nisankhindia> like synaptic or muon
[20:24] <sentiment> or this one? https://askubuntu.com/q/845990/844667
[20:24] <sentiment> (same)
[20:25] <nisankhindia> if you are using Muon Package manager than just open it and in search box type wine , than select the all wine related apps one by one
[20:26] <nisankhindia> if it is not removed
 do you have any pcakage manager GUI app I dont know. I am using the latest Ubuntu (bionic)
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: If the first link is your question, please refrain from cross posting. once you have submitted your question to the community, you need to be patient. posting in multiple locations is frowned upon in the community.
[20:27] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  db@linuxbox:/usr/lib$ ls win* >>>> wine  wine64  wineserver32  wineserver64
[20:27] <nisankhindia> from the application you will get Muon if you are using KDE
[20:27] <pinkyboo> these are the files left from wine too?
[20:27] <sentiment> pragmaticenigma: the second one isn't mine.
[20:27] <nisankhindia> remove them one by one
[20:27] <oerheks> sentiment, both are http sites, maybe your proxy does not accept that?
[20:27] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: like rm -R ~/.wineserver32
[20:28] <pinkyboo> ?
[20:28] <sentiment> oerheks: re-read the question please
[20:28] <Benzelio> I just installed ubuntu 8.04 hardy alongside win7 on my old asus laptop. But I cant get the wireless working, suspecting lack of drivers? How can I find drivers for my network card in linux?
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: the proxy enables their access... not restrict it
[20:28] <sentiment> that's not what I said
[20:28] <nisankhindia> example if you want to remove a folder than sudo -fR <folder> and if thats a file sudo rm -f <filename>
[20:28] <sentiment> I said I can access it ONLY through a proxy
[20:28] <oerheks> sentiment, if you use squid for a proxy, http_access deny would cause this
[20:29] <nisankhindia> rm with R and f mean force remove recursively
[20:29] <sentiment> am I not clear? O_o
[20:29] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: I am not sure if they are a file or folder. I am seeing them by terminal. File manager won't let me go in to home > usr > lib
[20:29] <sentiment> in other words, if I don't use a proxy it should work, like in Windows, but it doesn't.
[20:30] <sentiment> was that not clear enough already?
[20:30] <sentiment> do I need to edit my quesiton?
[20:30] <sentiment> question*
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: when speaking or replying to someone, please prefix your statement with their screenname or nick
[20:30] <sentiment> pragmaticenigma: I usually do , OK
[20:30] <sentiment> oerheks: ^
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: seeing as one domain is located in middle east... are you in a location that may have a conflict with that site's origins?
[20:32] <sentiment> I am also in Iran
[20:32] <sentiment> where the site is.
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: what happens if you perform a trace route to the site?
[20:33] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  ush! /usr/lib$ rm -R ~/ wine64 rm: remove write-protected regular file '/home/db/veracrypt/veracrypt-1.21-setup-gui-x64'?
[20:33] <pinkyboo> what it wine to do with veracrypt anyway! ???
[20:34] <oerheks> i see a space there > " rm -R ~/ wine64 "
[20:35] <sentiment> pragmaticenigma: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xXNH98mp9D/
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: What I suspect it might be is a DNS caching issue, or routing issue.
[20:36] <sentiment> why DNS?
[20:36] <sentiment> pragmaticenigma: should I edit my question with tracepath result?
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: Depending on where your DNS is setup to make requests, the DNS servers may have stale information or bad information (hacked)
[20:37] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  here https://prnt.sc/kv4tz9
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: no, the trace route is inconclusive
[20:37] <nisankhindia> just do sudo rm -fR /usr/lib/wine
[20:39] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: oh I made a big mistake I typed sudo rm -fR /usr/lib/win insted of wine ... was there a folder called win ? if so I DELETED IT.
[20:39] <pinkyboo> btw I deleted Wine folder
[20:39] <nisankhindia> if user facing issue with viewing some particular websites than try command systemd -i <your interface> --set-dnssec=yes --set-dns=9.9.9.9 than try to view the websites .. than tell use the response
[20:40] <nisankhindia> sorry the wrong command
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: You can try "dig my.gotoclass.ir" and then try "dig @1.1.1.1 my.gotoclass.ir" and see if the results are different. The first will use your machine's current setup, the second command will force a lookup and 1.1.1.1 DNS from cloudflare. You can also try "dig @9.9.9.9 my.gotoclass.ir" as well and see if that differs in anyway
[20:40] <nisankhindia> commadn will be
[20:40] <nisankhindia> systemd-resolve -i < YOUR INTERFACE> --set-dnssec=yes --set-dns=9.9.9.9
[20:40] <nisankhindia> and try to view the site
[20:41] <sentiment> pragmaticenigma: just what I was doing :)
[20:41] <sentiment> pragmaticenigma: also "Same issue accessing this domain: http://get.faradars.org ,though as this domain allows SSL too, I can access it through https."
[20:41] <nisankhindia> and if you are using the firefox browser
[20:41] <nisankhindia> type in address : about:config
[20:41] <nisankhindia> than search for trr
[20:42] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  Is there a folder called "win" inside usr/lib/? cause I mistakely typed win insted of wine when "sudo rm -fR /usr/lib/win"
[20:42] <nisankhindia> @pinkboo no
[20:42] <pinkyboo> Oh goood !
[20:42] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  Is wine completely deleted now? Anywhere else to look ?
[20:42] <nisankhindia> after the trr search change two values
[20:42] <nisankhindia> network.trr.mode , network.trr.uri;https://mozilla.cloudflare-dns.com/dns-query
[20:43] <nisankhindia> network.trr.mode value will be 2
[20:43] <sentiment> pragmaticenigma: seeing that it can establish a connection to the server fine, so you still think this might be a DNS issue? and @1.1.1.1 returns same result as default.
[20:43] <Zexaron> Hello
[20:43] <pinkyboo> whereis wine wine: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/wine /usr/share/wine
[20:43] <Zexaron> I'm using ubuntu server and was trying to mount a USB HDD thas uses XFS
[20:44] <pinkyboo> these are releted to wine too?
[20:44] <Zexaron> I'm new to linux in general so I was looking how to mount
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> sentiment: the https difference kind of indicates there is something happening between you and the website. If those are working, I'd stick to making sure to always opt for the https versions of the sites.
[20:44] <nisankhindia> yes @pinkyboo
[20:44] <nisankhindia> do the same as you have done to remove othe wine folders
[20:44] <pinkyboo> ok
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> Zexaron: If you are logged into the machine, usually you will see a popup, or the drive will be listed in the file manager
[20:46] <Zexaron> pragmaticenigma: server doesn't have GUI
[20:46] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: DONE. now db@linuxbox:~$ "whereis wine" returned with: "wine:" is that mean it's all gone?
[20:46] <sentiment> thanks anyhow, sleep time.
[20:46] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo yes all gone now
[20:46] <billythekido7> Hello
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> Zexaron: I would start reading up on the mount and umount commands. See "man mount" for more information
[20:47] <Zexaron> i am, not that straightforward
[20:47] <billythekido7> I'm trying to compile a custom kernel (applied patches on the ubuntu repo) but I can't figure out how I can bump the version to avoid conflicts
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> !mount | Zexaron
[20:47] <pinkyboo> Result of "apt search wine | pastebinit" : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5SRPm2ysjg/
[20:47] <Zexaron> oh I have to use /dev/sda ... forgot
[20:47] <pinkyboo> these are nothing to do with wine http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5SRPm2ysjg/
[20:47] <pinkyboo> ?
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> billythekido7: That is not a supported topic on this channel.
[20:48] <nisankhindia> @billythekido7 read LFS , ALFS etc
[20:48] <billythekido7> the documentation says to change the "debian.master/changelog" but that does not work:
[20:48] <billythekido7> dpkg: error processing archive ./linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-34-generic_4.15.0-34.37~touchpadfix_amd64.deb (--install):  conflicting packages - not installing linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-34-generic
[20:48] <billythekido7> dpkg: error processing archive ./linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-34-generic_4.15.0-34.37~touchpadfix_amd64.deb (--install):  conflicting packages - not installing linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-34-generic
[20:48] <billythekido7> the documentation says to change the "debian.master/changelog" but that does not work:
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> billythekido7: NOT SUPPORTED, please find the appropriate channel
[20:49] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | billythekido7
[20:50] <billythekido7> pragmaticenigma: is a taboo topic? :P
[20:50] <billythekido7> any way if someone know the magic file, please ping me
[20:51] <pragmaticenigma> billythekido7: This channel only supports software and kernels provided through Ubuntu's release iamges and official software repositories. Customer kernels is not supported.
[20:51] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | billythekido7
[20:51] <pragmaticenigma> billythekido7: PMs are not recommended
[20:51] <billythekido7> pragmaticenigma: you are really pationate about it
[20:51] <billythekido7> *passionate
[20:51] <billythekido7> I like it
[20:52] <orhanenginokay> Hello everyone
[20:52] <nisankhindia> @billythekido7 we will discuss that but you need to send me mails , this will need more explaination and qeuries will be large
[20:52] <nisankhindia> *queries
[20:53] <pragmaticenigma> billythekido7: You can try the #ubuntu-kernel channel, though they may tell you the same thing.
[20:53] <pinkyboo> these are nothing to do with wine http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5SRPm2ysjg/ ?
[20:53] <nisankhindia> @billythe kido7 lets talk this over kernel.org IRC we are waiting
[20:54] <billythekido7> cool on my way
[20:54] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo you can ignore these packages
[20:55] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  thank you for everything!
[20:56] <billythekido7> nisankhindia: is it a separate irc server?
[20:56] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: as last can you recommend me a screenshot tool that will work with "Prt Sc" key and able to upload what I capture?
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: If you are using Ubuntu with Gnome or Unity, it's already built in. While it doesn't have a built in upload feature, you can easily save the file and upload it yourself.
[20:57] <nisankhindia> @billythekido7 yes it's #kernel.org ( a separate one )
[20:59] <pinkyboo> pragmaticenigma: these screenshoot tools are makes it so easy to upload right after you take the screenshot... thats why I asked..
[20:59] <pinkyboo> If there was a known scrn shoot tool that everyone uses..
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: where are you trying to upload to
[21:01] <pinkyboo> pragmaticenigma: for now I am using https://prnt.sc/
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: doubt there is anything for that specific site. you might find a program that can monitor a folder, where the default screenshot tool save it's images, and from there the tool uploads to a specific site.
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: Or another option is to install google chrome on linux, and use "lightshot" extension
[21:04] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo are you using KDE desktop environment ???
[21:06] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: $DESKTOP_SESSION says command not found
[21:07] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  ls /usr/bin/*session /usr/bin/dbus-run-session  /usr/bin/gnome-session-custom-session
[21:07] <pinkyboo> Gnome right
[21:09] <pinkyboo> I found that one "Shutter" http://shutter-project.org/wp-content/uploads/key_feature_057.png
[21:09] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo haha its ok , use the simple one for screenshot feature , you dont need to go here and there for looking this and that ... but if you want to use something to upload than first choice is your own google account or similar , so that you can have multiple device connected to sync the data from PC to mobile devices
[21:09] <Zexaron> Hey
[21:09] <Zexaron> How do I check speed of ethernet controller ?
[21:09] <Zexaron> the hardware stuff
[21:10] <Zexaron> and the config
[21:10] <Zexaron> trying to check if this laptop has 1 gigabit or not
[21:11] <pinkyboo> Btw my laptops Fan works much faster when I am on Ubuntu than it is on Windows... I thought ubuntu would need much less power to run..
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> Zexaron: You can try something like this: https://askubuntu.com/a/7977 : or trust that your card was correctly identified and is working properly if it has a connection.
[21:12] <orhanenginokay> maybe u must reduce virtual machine settings
[21:13] <compdoc> linux often has problems with power saving stuff, but i think theres a program or something you can install
[21:13] <nisankhindia> @Zexaron do understand this
[21:13] <nisankhindia> inside the folder cd /sys/class/net you will see all your active and vaialble intefaces and than cd into any one of the interface
[21:13] <nisankhindia> than cat speed
[21:14] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: Btw my laptops Fan works much faster when I am on Ubuntu than it is on Windows... I thought ubuntu would need much less power to run..
[21:14] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: Would you rather your laptop burn up from overheating? Fan speed isn't indicative of anything other than the controllers are attempting to keep the CPU properly cooled.
[21:14] <orhanenginokay> @pinkyboo whats your pc hardware info
[21:14] <pinkyboo> do you have any idea? am I doing something wrong pragmaticenigma  ??
[21:15] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: you just spent the last few hours working with the package manager and trying to uninstall a bunch of files. that is CPU intensive. give the machine sometime to stabalize and it should spin down
[21:15] <pinkyboo> pragmaticenigma:  I mean windows does not make my fan do noise before 2 or 3 video running same together. But ubuntu does with even 1
[21:16] <pragmaticenigma> pinkyboo: You are comparing apples and oranges. there is nothing meaningful in that statement
[21:16] <orhanenginokay> I back to ubuntu for 3 days ago, I delete windows, I dont use anymore, and my fans cant run or much lower rpm..
[21:16] <pragmaticenigma> orhanenginokay: Do you have an Ubuntu related support question?
[21:16] <Kon-> Linux has different CPU governor settings, which also effects your fan profile, even if the workload may be the same
[21:17] <nisankhindia> @pragmaticenigma anyone who ask whatever , ANSWER OR SUGGESTION SHOULD NOT LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED
[21:17] <orhanenginokay> @pragmaticenigma oh,no, thank you. I am a bit good at Ubuntu. Im ok for a now ^^
[21:18] <billythekido7> pragmaticenigma: what exactly is your problem mate?
[21:18] <billythekido7> pragmaticenigma: I've never seen someone responding like that to questions. You are not the police here. take a chill pill
[21:19] <billythekido7> pragmaticenigma: if you don't know the answer don't answer it. What you are doing is neither productive nor helpful
[21:19] <pragmaticenigma> billythekido7: and neither are you. so practice what you preach
[21:19] <Zexaron> nisankhindia it says "100"
[21:19] <Zexaron> meh that's not gigabit right, it would be 1000 then right?
[21:20] <nisankhindia> @Zaxaron you are correct
[21:20] <billythekido7> pragmaticenigma: I have every right because you gave me the same treatment earlier. chill pill now :)
[21:23] <pavlos> Zexaron: sudo lshw -c network | grep speed
[21:35] <nisankhindia> @Zexaron use to check your card maximum speed capacity
[21:35] <nisankhindia> sudo lshw -c network | grep 'capacity' ( not the speed )
[21:35] <Zexaron> oh
[21:35] <Zexaron> well yes, maximum i need,
[21:35] <Zexaron> it may be downgraded now that not tranferring much
[21:36] <Zexaron> however it says full duplex
[21:36] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: is there page that shows some possible simple trics to make my ubuntu bionic faster/lighter ?
[21:36] <Zexaron> bah it's also 100 Mbit/s
[21:36] <Zexaron> oh well
[21:37] <FortKnight> pinkyboo: isn't "minimal" install an option during 18.04 setup?
[21:37] <FortKnight> pinkyboo: I believe 18.04 has a "minimal" install option...did you NOT select that during installation?
[21:37] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo is the curious panda for the day i have ever meet , good for the community someone want to know and learn things more
[21:39] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo do one thing read some online books related to linux , how to deal with linux , how linux works etc , than gradually you will get idea about more things , just remember do not try to experiment things on your own system which may break your system ( OS )
[21:39] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: Oh sorry for so many quesitons! I am just so new with linux and trying to ask many as possible with out being rude :p
[21:39] <nisankhindia> books like Linux bible
[21:40] <YADW> Hello! I'm doing an install on a new PC with an SSD+HDD configuration (I'd like to keep home, programs and other stuff on the HDD, leaving system, possibly boot and other "dynamic" stuff on the SSD for speed). What would be an optimal partition scheme?
[21:40] <pinkyboo> FortKnight: No I guess I did not...
[21:40] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: Lubuntu looks a good one but it's ugly :p
[21:40] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo it's ok for the questions , but you need to learn things from books or some online materials , too fast is dangerous
[21:41] <frdmn> hello
[21:42] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  yeah I like to read things.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x93w7bhZyp/
[21:42] <frdmn> can someone help me out with an issue on my 18.04 installation? whenever I try to resolve one of my LAN (.local) hostnames, I get a "Temporary failure in name resolution" error
[21:43] <nisankhindia> @frdmn can you resolve it by using IP address
[21:45] <FortKnight> frdmn: you could just use the "numerical" IP, instead of trying to have perfect forward/reverse  name resolution as that could be rather complex
[21:46] <frdmn> @nisankhindia no, but I think that's because of it's a zeroconf address
[21:47] <frdmn> do I need some kind of client installed to support this?
[21:48] <nisankhindia> @frdmn can you please infrom us about your environment details like server platform , apache , ngnix , DNS , DHCP etc etc
[21:48] <nisankhindia> we dont know anything about your configurations
[21:49] <pinkyboo> last question before I go :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RpyM6qnX56/ these comes when I do " sudo apt update "
[21:51] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo simply You can ignore them ..
[21:53] <Bashing-om> oijeeboo: That PPA is not supported in 18.04: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu .
[21:54] <Bashing-om> pinkyboo: Sorry oijeeboo - fat finggering .. not paying attention . pinkyboo see above that the PPA is not supported.
[21:55] <pinkyboo> oh still this wine thing! I hate it!
[21:56] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: helped me to get ride of it but it don't know what that is left there Bashing-om
[21:56] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo as i see you are curious to know things more , so better take rest and https://doc.lagout.org/operating%20system%20/linux/ view these all so that you can practice things and learn by yourself before goint to commit some works o=with UNIX alike systems
[21:57] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: I noted that link and will read it everyday! so curious abuout the linux.. thank you for your patient help!
[21:58] <Bashing-om> pinkyboo: Chances are the source is in that 3rd party directory " tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* " to know .
[22:00] <pinkyboo> Bashing-om:  I don't know what to do with them or get ride of them. You may have being tired while you try to help me. I can just ignore it as nisankhindia  says as I do not know what to do or even worth to do anything...
[22:02] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo simply run command sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[22:02] <Bashing-om> pinkyboo: nothing hurt to ignore, as nothing is done - but if ya want to address the situation -- well we can :)
[22:03] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo you need to remove that PPA use the command ::
[22:03] <nisankhindia> sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[22:04] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia: DONE
[22:04] <pinkyboo> Bashing-om: You see, nisankhindia  just saved an hour of yours :p
[22:04] <Bashing-om> pinkyboo: nisankhindia If ya want to keep wine (updated ) why not ppa-purge instead ?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> !ppa-purge
[22:05] <pinkyboo> Bashing-om: no no. I want Wine go to *ell.. nisankhindia spend 15 minutes with me to get ride of those files/folders left after I uninstall it...
[22:06] <Bashing-om> pinkyboo: :) .. then Yeah .. follow his direction :) me late to the discussion .
[22:06] <nisankhindia> @pinkyboo ignore , answer and suggestion is target oriented , you have removed the pacakage so you dont need the updates , i know that
[22:07] <pinkyboo> Responde of sudo apt update | pastebinit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sqvvxs5Yd7/
[22:07] <pinkyboo> nisankhindia:  yes I follow u :p
[22:10] <nisankhindia> and ppa-purge need to be installed before it is used , by default ubuntu do not comes with this package installed
[22:10] <pinkyboo> My fan might use the fan more than Windows OS does when I am on ubuntu cause of these update maybe https://prnt.sc/kv5p8r
[22:11] <pinkyboo> I am not even sure if that is an graphic card update that I should run!
[22:13] <nisankhindia> signing off now
[22:13] <pinkyboo> Good night everyone. Thanks billion times nisankhindia
[22:13] <nisankhindia> time for work now
[22:13] <binaryhermit> that is possible, you could have more cpu load or heat released by the gpu because of either unimplemented or poorly implemented features
[22:14] <pinkyboo> binaryhermit: How would I make sure?
[22:14] <binaryhermit> No clue
[22:14] <pinkyboo> :)
[22:34] <firelegend> Must say
[22:34] <firelegend> After fixing all issuesd
[22:34] <firelegend> ubuntu works splendidly on my laptop
[22:35] <firelegend> I only wonder if I update the kernel, whether modules will be rebuilt with dkms, such as those for graphics drivers and various others
[22:39] <firelegend> Other than that, I installed hundreds of packages
[22:39] <firelegend> for development and many others
[22:40] <firelegend> Anything I could think of, docker, wine, steam(proton), aircrack
[22:40] <firelegend> radare
[22:44] <pragmaticenigma> firelegend: what graphics card?
[22:45] <firelegend> gtx 1050
[22:45] <pragmaticenigma> firelegend: What source did you use for installation?
[22:45] <pragmaticenigma> of the graphics drivers
[22:46] <firelegend> The nvidia ppa and nvidia-390 drivers
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> firelegend: Do you mean the graphics team ppa?
[22:46] <firelegend> ppa:graphics-drivers
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> firelegend: I use the same one, haven't experienced any issues with upgrades. So far, it appears on kernel updates trigger a rebuild. and haven't had any issues so far
[22:49] <firelegend> I guess I'll experiment tomorrow
[22:50] <firelegend> How does ubuntu handle
[22:50] <firelegend> multiple gpus?
[22:51] <firelegend> Dedicated and integrated?
[22:52] <firelegend> I did a test and the dedicated one is used, the gtx 1050, the glxgears demo runs at 22k frames
[23:03] <hans_> to whoever thought it was a good idea to make the default behaviour: "hide the grub bootloader menu while waiting for the timeout and give no indication whatsoever as to why bootup is so slow" - that was a bloddy stupid idea. someone should undo that
[23:04] <hans_> (Ubuntu 18.04 does that by default, apparently. 16.04 doesn't)
[23:05] <hans_> (the problem is how /etc/default/grub is set up, at least if using the netinst installer)
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> what specifically is wrong?
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> the timeout is set for 10 seconds, the menu is hidden. if you hold shift during boot it overrides the hidden and grub displays
[23:07] <hans_> pragmaticenigma, specifically the netinst installer set up GRUB_TIMEOUT=10  and GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden in /etc/default/grub, those are bad defaults.
[23:08] <FortKnight> of course a end user could simply change them and move on with life
[23:08] <hans_> then people who don't know it's waiting for a timeout wonders why it's so slow at booting up..  the default should be GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu - this will show the menu and the counter, and will make it easy to see why the bootup is so slow
[23:10] <hans_> FortKnight, sure, but that doesn't help solve https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1  when people go `windows 10 is much faster at booting up than ~~`
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> hans_: while apples to oranges... Microsoft Windows wait 5 seconds silently before booting
[23:11] <hans_> pragmaticenigma, no it doesn't
[23:11] <hans_> well, at least windows 7 doesn't do that, idk about win10 really
[23:18] <pragmaticenigma> hans_: I agree though, I never liked that the decision was made to hide grub boot
[23:21] <hans_> i guess the reasoning was "my mom thought the grub boot menu looked scary, so i thought it was a good idea to hide it" .. but does anyone know?
[23:22] <esotericnonsense> hm, is there any reason debootstrap might be ridiculously slow?
[23:22] <jcdutton> What is wrong with hiding grub menu ?  Just press SHIFT during boot and it appears again
[23:23] <hans_> jcdutton, makes it difficult to debug why the bootup is so slow, maybe not for you or me but for most non-tech-savvy users at least
[23:24] <hans_> while the old menu with timeout made it obvious
[23:25] <jcdutton> hans_, with the shift option, you normally also set the menu timeout to 0
[23:25] <hans_> jcdutton, the netinst installer sets it to 10 seconds..
[23:25] <hans_> ( http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso )
[23:28] <hans_> if the default timeout was 0 (or 1? or 2?) seconds, i wouldn't be complaining  tho
[23:33] <Benzelio> Hi. Are there any software like GProFTPD for ubuntu 18.04? I'm looking to run a server on my laptop in order to access it's files from other devices in my studio.
[23:37] <s0x> hey guys, does anyone have experience with socat and named pipes? I'm just playing around with it trying to make use of a remote device (i.e. /dev/urandom). Doing socat PIPE:mypipe SYSTEM:"ssh remote socat - /dev/urandom". Pipe is created but reading the pipe blocks until socat is closed and then printing about 2000 bytes. Seems to me a bit like an buffering issue :-/
[23:40] <hans_> Benzelio, a FTP file server?
[23:42] <hans_> > GPROFTPD is an excellent GUI FTP server for people who want an easy to use and easy to configure FTP server.
[23:43] <hans_> Benzelio, only GUI ftp server i can think of atm is FileZilla, but idk if that's `easy to use` or not.
[23:46] <hans_> Benzelio, probably not supported here but hfs+wine is a very easy to use file server, but it uses http for serving files, not ftp
[23:46] <A|an> Is there no 32 bit Virtualbox package available now?
[23:47] <hans_> Benzelio, ( http://www.rejetto.com/hfs/ )
[23:47] <hans_> A|an, x86?
[23:48] <A|an> Is there any downside to installing a 32 bit Virtualbox deb intended for 17.04, but I'm running 18.04?
[23:48] <A|an> yes
[23:48] <A|an> It's intended for an old Dell laptop, 32 bit
[23:48] <A|an> I'm running Mate on it
[23:49] <hans_> actually seems like 18.04 doesn't have a 32bit virtualbox package - but you *might* be able to run the 17.10 32bit virtualbox, if you're lucky. https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.2.18/virtualbox-5.2_5.2.18-124319~Ubuntu~zesty_i386.deb
[23:49] <A|an> I had it installed and I don't know what happened exactly, I think bleachbit whacked it, mistakenly
[23:49] <hans_> bleachbit?
[23:49] <A|an> yes, I suspected that...is it "okay" to run the previous version?
[23:50] <A|an> yes, it's a tool that goes through your system and removes extraneous stuff...
[23:50] <hans_> A|an, if you're lucky, the 17.10 package will work. if not, you'll probably get some `dependency not satisfiable` error during installation
[23:50] <A|an> recovers disc space
[23:50] <hans_> kk
[23:51] <A|an> okay
[23:51] <A|an> thanks
[23:51] <A|an> it's all I can do...it must;ve been *that* version I had installed...
[23:53] <Bashing-om> A|an: xubuntu still maintains a 32 bit install: http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
[23:53] <A|an> ah! thanks
[23:55] <hans_> if the question is how to install a 32bit ubuntu, the netinstaller (but on old hardware you probably want xubuntu instead of ubuntu anyway) - but the question is how to install a 32bit VirtualBox
[23:55] <folorn> hello folks i had a quick question in regards to is there any way for people who use this distro to get a .deb or from cache dsd 1.7.0?
[23:55] <folorn> and if so how a person go about doing it ...if anybody can help it be huge :)
[23:57] <hans_> dsd?
[23:57] <folorn> yep hans
[23:58] <folorn> digital speech decoder for gqrx
[23:58] <hans_> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=dsd g2g
[23:58] <folorn> g2g is the package ?
[23:58] <kus_ubuntui686> hi guys, df -h shows loop 1 through 6 is 100% use is this normal? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nkZscXN9FJ/
[23:58] <folorn> one sec hans