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[00:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVE456ff692b671: Import patches-unapplied version 1.7 to ubuntu/cosmic-proposed] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVE456ff692b671
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[00:04] <wxl> back
[00:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T70: Evaluate BlueMoon] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T70#1362
[00:29] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm inclined to close this. i'd like to keep phab for sort of high level development discussion rather than just bug reporting, which i'd rather leave at launchpad. thoughs?
[00:29] <wxl> @tsimonq2: link https://phab.lubuntu.me/T69
[00:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Fcitx Mozc Freezes the Entire System When Clicking On Fcitx Icon In the Notification Area While Text Field is Selected: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T69
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm inclined to close this. i'd like to keep phab for sort of h …], Ack, do it.
[00:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T69: Fcitx Mozc Freezes the Entire System When Clicking On Fcitx Icon In the Notification Area While Text Field is Selected] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T69#1365
[00:52] <wxl> oh for pete's sake how can i not edit it?!
[00:53] <wxl> where's the sudo on phabricator @tsimonq2 ? :)
 @wxl [<wxl> where's the sudo on phabricator @tsimonq2 ? :)], CLI, like all good systems :P
 You can force remove it.
 Something like `./bin/destroy TWHATEVER`
[00:54] <wxl> yeah i don't exactly want to do that
 Same command you did for repos.
 Hmm. I dunno man.
 SUPER weird that both of us administrators can't do anything to it.
[00:55] <wxl> it's by design apparently
[00:55] <wxl> https://secure.phabricator.com/T8272
[00:57] <wxl> @tsimonq2: also `df -h /` would ya? 926M
[01:00] <wxl> well you can ./policy unlock T69
[01:02] <wxl> also even when talking about how to deal with people's concerns about their jokey behavior phabricator is funny https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/tone/
[01:05] <lyorian> wxl: well at least it is memorable
[01:05] <wxl> XD
[01:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T6: Telegram everywhere] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T6#1368
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Thanks to Altispeed for providing infrastructure for Lubuntu! ... https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1041434422036377600
[02:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T71: Re-evaluate Tips N' Tricks on the website] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T71#1370
[02:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T71: Re-evaluate Tips N' Tricks on the website] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T71#1371
[02:22] <wxl> @tsimonq2: can you tell me exactly what the goal here is? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/133
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: can you tell me exactly what the goal here is? https://github.c …], Create a panel plugin that moves menus to an upper panel like Unity.
 We could do it in LXDE, but can't in LXQt anymore.
[02:23] <wxl> uh
[02:23] <wxl> then why is it on our 19.04 list?
 Because it's a nice to have feature.
 Too complicated to have done in time.
[02:24] <wxl> oh i misunderstood your "can't"
[02:24] <wxl> i don't use unity much. you got a pic?
 It's on Tips N' Tricks XD
[02:25] <wxl> oh heh
[02:25] <wxl> oic. that's kind of cool
 One other thing I want to do for 19.04...
 Have you ever heard of the HUD?
[02:26] <wxl> i'm not sure i think that effectively adding another panel maximizes workspace
[02:27] <wxl> heads up display?
 It's a cool feature though. We should keep it optional but a lot of people like it.
 Yeah, that.
 Where you can press a key combo and search the menus of an application super easily.
 Now THAT is something I'd use regularly.
 Anyway, before I go down the rabbit hole I should close my eyes and try to sleep...
 So nai
[02:28] <wxl> k's launcher is something really nice
 Fo sho
[02:37] <lyorian> lxqt-runner is really nice
[02:38] <lyorian> I found the hud and whole thing a bit distracting with how many pixels change on the screen while lxqt-runner is just what you need
[02:51] <wxl> @ctisme i mean you can use that. basically you use some matrix app to join #freenode_#ubuntu:matrix.org
[02:52] <wxl> using matrix.to it would be https://matrix.to/#/#freenode_#ubuntu:matrix.org … but you still need to have a matrix app installed
[02:58] <krytarik> wxl: Wrong chaaan.
[02:58] <wxl> aw jeez
[02:58] <wxl> i tried
[02:58] <lyorian> is next-lubuntu-manaul a bad name for the repository for the next manual?
[03:02] <wxl> well we could keep it in the same repo
[03:03] <wxl> just make a new branch
[03:25] <lyorian> wxl ok 
[03:25] <lyorian> wxl what to call the branch?
[03:25] <lyorian> lxqt?
[03:26] <lyorian> It should be LXQt right?
[03:26] <wxl> i think so yes
[03:26] <lyorian> ok
[03:26] <wxl> or maybe better yet
[03:26] <wxl> make the old one lxde and the new one can just be the master branch
[03:36] <lyorian> awww yeah that is a good idea 
[04:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73
[04:25] <lyorian> ok new branch is on launchpad and added a note in the branch that it is the legacy LXDE branch
[04:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T67: Repository for manual for lxqt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67#1384
[04:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T67: Repository for manual for lxqt] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T67#1386
[04:53]  * lyorian hopes that the manual autobuild system is not still pointed at github 
[04:57] <lyorian> my best guess would be a cronjob that clones the manual source && make html but to put the results on the folder served by the webpage
 Right.
 wxl: Check the internal server setup guide for the prod crontab.
 It's in there.
[04:59] <wxl> is now?
[04:59] <wxl> cuz i looked and didn't see it
 Bottom of the page
[05:00] <wxl> last thing is the phab daemons
 Oh so you DO see the cron
[05:01] <wxl> yup
 Hm, maybe I did remove it.
 Dunno.
 This setup guide sucks tho XD
 I'll revise it tomorrow.
[05:02] <lyorian> That might be why it stopped updating and working on it became frustrating
[05:03] <wxl> you never had it in there
 If I did it was accidental, sorry.
 @wxl [<wxl> you never had it in there], I did at one point.
 I swear :)
[05:03] <wxl> no
[05:03] <wxl> i just went through the history
 The crontab wasn't in the doc the whole time
 I just put it in there recently.
[05:04] <wxl> yep version 8/9
[05:04] <wxl> and it wasn't there
 Dude, I had a crontab going already :)
 I probably started putting it on there after I removed it.
 Because I would curse myself for accidentally typing `crontab -r`
 >_<
[05:06] <wxl> the crontab matches the docs
[05:06] <wxl> like, the actual crontab
 Right. It was only recently added to the docs because I kept accidentally removing it.
[05:08] <wxl> good lord man. what do you think crontab -r does???? XD
 @wxl [<wxl> good lord man. what do you think crontab -r does???? XD], It's a typo 😂
 I type one key off.
 Damn cron developers putting the edit argument and the remove argument next to each other... :P
[05:11] <wxl> holy hell you need help
 XD
[05:11] <wxl> i have literally never made that mistake
[05:11] <wxl> anyways you know how the manual is supposed to get built?
 NEVER?
 Seriously
[05:11] <wxl> hell no
 NEVER?
 Wow
 @wxl [<wxl> anyways you know how the manual is supposed to get built?], Yeah, make html something or other. Read the NGINX config file for where it looks and figure out how to get there; sorry, I don't remember. :)
[05:12] <wxl> cuuuuhrist
 Love you too XD
[05:13] <lyorian> yes make html is how to get the manual built
 I think I had some weird 100 character one-liner
 It felt gross.
[05:14] <wxl> ew wth
[05:15] <wxl> where's the code, @lyorian ?
[05:17] <lyorian> git clone https://git.launchpad.net/lubuntu-manual 
[05:17] <lyorian>  is to pull down the whole thing
[05:18] <lyorian> then git checkout LXDE
[05:18] <lyorian> for the current one
[05:19] <lyorian> make clean && make html 
[05:22] <lyorian> plus the stuff to get nginx to serve it
[05:27] <wxl> well if it makes html i kind of doubt anything else needs to happen but i'll have to build it and see
[05:28] <lyorian> wxl yes that is what is so nice about sphinx
[05:28] <wxl> what i don't understand is how someone switches to polish
[05:28] <wxl> we serve it, but it seems you have to manually select it https://manual.lubuntu.me/pl/
[05:29] <wxl> err, manually edit the uri
[05:30] <lyorian> not sure if there is a sphinx plugin or something that makes something based on keyboard layout but that sounds like something for sphinx upstream to add support for
[05:31] <lyorian> or do you just mean something like have links for different languages on the main one
[05:32] <wxl> the latter
[05:34] <lyorian> you want to put that on the phab I agree it is a good idea
[05:35] <lyorian> not quite sure how to get it list them all 
[19:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T74: Make lugito also do social media] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T74
[19:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: Lugito doesn't publish new posts] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75
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[19:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: Must haves for 18.10 release] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53#1436
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[20:22] <lyorian> Gah did xfsprogs fall off the seed again?
[20:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T74: Make lugito also do social media] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T74#1442
[21:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T77: teleirc doesn't dtrt with colors] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T77#1443
[21:04] <wxl> yes it looks like it has lyorian. why is xfsprogs gone, @tsimonq2 ? :(
[21:06] <wxl> doesn't look like it changed https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-seed/browse/cosmic/live$32
[21:08] <lyorian> wxl good news is with adding xfsprogs it shows xfs on the menu and starts installing
[21:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's pretty darn confusing then.
[21:11] <tsimonq2> There's no reason why it shouldn't be there.
[22:09]  * lyorian wonders what else needs to be done to get the calamares manual partition testcase on the tracker
[22:16] <wxl> one thing that would be super nice, @tsimonq2, is some clear instruction on how to debug seed issues.
[22:16] <wxl> @lyorian: is it already accepted?
[22:17] <lyorian> it got merged
 @wxl [<wxl> one thing that would be super nice, @tsimonq2, is some clear instruction o …], Maybe if I could figure it out :P
[22:18] <wxl> hahahah
[22:18] <wxl> well let's work on that
[22:18] <wxl> lyorian: that's something that @tsimonq2 and i should be able to take care of
[22:19] <wxl> *ahem* release manager *ahem*
[22:20] <tsimonq2> This is one of the bits of black magic that I have to defer to the people who wrote it in 2005. :P
 @HMollerCl [### WINDOW ... border.width: 1 ... window.client.padding.width: 0 ... window.client.padding …], Did you start with Arc or Arc Dark?
 @TheWendyPower [Did you start with Arc or Arc Dark?], Arc darker
 In openbox Lubuntu arc
 Arc darker is gtk override
 @HMollerCl Awesome! Thanks. I will start playing with that setup too.
 And fusion as theme
[23:24] <Wafficus> hey guys im free for the night so I'm ready to help out with open source stuff
[23:25] <Wafficus> what are some good newbie Python cases I can help with in terms of Lubuntu?
[23:25] <Wafficus> I saw the different sites you guys have 
[23:25] <Wafficus> including phab and launchpad
[23:26] <Wafficus> which one would you guys say has more entry level cases I can help any Lubuntu users with?
[23:28] <Wafficus> hey there
[23:28] <Wafficus> quick question about irc, is there any way to copy and paste in weechat? stupid question
[23:28] <Wafficus> I was trying to copy your link in cool retro term but it just wasn't happening for some reason
[23:28] <wxl> if you're interested in helping and maybe not interested only in writing python, there's things on there that could use some help
[23:28] <wxl> in particular i'm curious about the state of bluetooth in 18.10. haven't had a chance to test yet
[23:29] <Wafficus> I only have two laptops with Lubuntu on it tbh
[23:29] <Wafficus> this one aka an Asus K50AB, and an HP DM1
[23:29] <wxl> irc: your terminal should provide this capacity. in {lx,q}terminal, ctrl-shift-c/v should do the trick
[23:29] <wxl> you could probably dig into some of those other tasks, too
[23:31] <wxl> honestly we need all the help we can get
[23:32] <Wafficus> yeah im looking at it right now
[23:32] <Wafficus> I see the about page bug opened
[23:32] <Wafficus> thats using qt5 right
[23:32] <Wafficus> I know about PyQT but didn't know that was a general framework for GUIS and the like
[23:32] <wxl> there's a LOT to do and really there is just @tsimonq2 and i doing most of the heavy lifting. don't get me wrong, we have lots of great contributors doing testing and manual stuff (e.g. lyorian) and others doing translations (e.g. m4sk1n) and others doing art (@TheWendyPower) etc., but for packaging, infrastructure, bug hunting, release management, etc. it's alllllllllllllll us
[23:33] <Wafficus> gotcha
[23:33] <Wafficus> well guide me by spoonfeeding a bit
[23:33] <wxl> so ANY help ANYWHERE is greatly appreciated
[23:33] <Wafficus> because at work I only help with auditing ads, and doing quality control
[23:33] <Wafficus> however, I do answer Manuscript cases at work from Development regarding Snapchat ads
[23:33] <Wafficus> how about this
[23:33] <wxl> well one thing you can do is help with the simple stuff for sure
[23:33] <Wafficus> look at my LinkedIn, and see what I could apply
[23:33] <Wafficus> one sec
[23:34] <wxl> for example see https://phab.lubuntu.me/T32
[23:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Calamares should let the user pick what applications they WANT to use: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T32
[23:34] <lyorian> bluetooth is not something I have acessories for to test
[23:34] <wxl> it seems that the installer already has what we need to do it, but it needs testing. you could boot up a live cd and do it with it. 
[23:35] <wxl> and see above re: bluetooth :) i have the gear but there's like a huge pile on top of it XD
[23:35] <Wafficus> https://www.linkedin.com/in/samuelbanya/
[23:35] <Wafficus> wxl check that out either way, just to let you know where I'm coming from
[23:35] <wxl> my #1 goal is to get trojita packaging finished...... after i fix whatever is wrong with our seeds again sigh
[23:35] <Wafficus> since I do this dev stuff on the side
[23:35] <wxl> that leads me to https://www.linkedin.com/authwall/blahblahblah
[23:35] <wxl> point being, i don't have a linkedin account
[23:36] <wxl> or rather i do but i don't use it and really need to delete the stupid thing
[23:37] <Wafficus> gotcha
[23:37] <Wafficus> no worries i'll show you in some other way later
[23:38] <Wafficus> anyway I saw that calamares bug
[23:39] <Wafficus> so the main problem is that Lubuntu ships with too many applications. understandable point
[23:39] <Wafficus> so this "Calamares" module will help only do the minimal install?
[23:39] <wxl> well we want to give people choice
[23:39] <wxl> there's a "minimal install" that the other flavors have now. well, some of them.
[23:39] <wxl> we're trying to mimic that, while offering even more flexibility
[23:40] <wxl> the module should allow there to be sets of packages that can be installed
[23:40] <wxl> Calamares is our installer, btw
[23:40] <wxl> it's a modular system
[23:41] <Wafficus> back
[23:41] <Wafficus> my tmux was acting up
[23:41] <Wafficus> gotcha, so where would someone like me step in?
[23:41] <Wafficus> is it like you need someone to learn this Calamares module and implement it?
[23:42] <Wafficus> like if you give me the resources, I'm willing to learn tbh
 What sort of testing did you need done with Bluetooth? I may be able to do some.
 @wxl my machine also has Bluetooth.
[23:51] <wxl[m]> It's simply a matter of looking at the basic configuration in the source code and trying it out. Again in a live system, you can edit the calamares config and then start calamares and there you go
[23:51] <wxl[m]> Bluetooth needs to be checked for functionality. We have had some reports it's not working
[23:52] <wxl[m]> So we should check pairing, input devices, audio devices, file sharing, etc.
[23:54] <Wafficus> gotcha
[23:55] <Wafficus> so where could I find calamares in particular?
[23:55] <Wafficus> like is the source code housed on the github distro?
[23:56] <wxl> https://github.com/calamares/calamares