[00:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1459
[00:10] <wxl> 🌟 for @kc2bez
 Thanks.
[00:11]  * wxl wonders if bluetooth passthrough is even a thing in virtual machines
 I know it is with QEMU. :P
[00:14] <wxl> fair enough
[00:15] <wxl> so go test the bluetooth
[00:15] <lyorian> well can you get a usb or pcie bluetooth card?
[00:15] <wxl>  /kick * tsimonq2
[00:15] <wxl> oops
 I don't have physical access to my device with Bluetooth at the moment.
 I feel a little like an idiot. A restart of pulseaudio (or the computer) is needed after installing the pulseaudio-module. All 3 of my BT devices are paired now. Still need a management interface.  My headset is paired but not a a2dp device so audio is tinny. I will update the phab.
[01:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1460
[02:00] <wxl> good job @kc2bez !!! so now there's two things left: 1. get the right menu options (want to write the desktop files?) 2. figure out the systray
 I might need some help but I am willing to learn.
 If you point me to guide or a doc, I will do some research.
 @wxl I found a desktop file already for the wizrd.
[03:26] <wxl> @kc2bez where's it at?
 '/usr/share/applications/'
[03:29] <wxl> that's a good canonical place to be
[03:31] <wxl> i wonder if the issue isn't somewhat related to me explicitly creating an lxqt-applications.menu to get rid of nm-tray. https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS9e192e55224221d4d01b0ceeb9575699d54c0d5a
 That would make some sense due to the fact bluetooth is considered networking too. FWIW nm-tray is still in the menu when I just looked.
[03:39] <wxl> ugh that certainly indicates what i did didn't do the trick
 sorry for the bad news.
[03:41] <wxl> it's ok
[05:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T80: document building and publishing the Lubuntu Manual] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T80
[05:46] <wxl> @kc2bez turns out RTFM is always a good idea. my methodology there sucked. adding NoDisplay=true to /usr/share/applications/nm-tray.desktop removes it. incientially the bluedevil-wizard.desktop file also has a NoDisplay. remove it and it appears
[05:51] <wxl> and it seems the applet is a plasmoid, so kubuntu-specific
[05:58] <wxl> oh i can do an OnlyShowIn=LXQt yay
[06:27] <wxl> ^ the bot didn't ping about https://phab.lubuntu.me/D14
[06:27] <wxl> and it seems dead..
[06:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1471
 @wxl the org.kde.bledevilsendfile.desktop will need to be edited as well. I don't have any experience sending files over bluetooth but can give it a poke later.
[14:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1472
[15:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1473
 Went through and unassigned a bunch of tasks from myself. wxl assigns tasks to me liberally. :P
 Haven't both of you been the default for each other. 😉
 True. Heh.
 We've played tag before.
 LOL
 "Your task! No, your task!"
 😆
[15:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1478
[15:18] <wxl> i'm sad the bot doesn't show differential activity
 @TheWendyPower [LOL], Wow 100 % linux workflow ,is it real ?😳
[15:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1480
 @Slider1 [Wow 100 % linux workflow ,is it real ?😳], Yes! It is 100% Linux. ☺️
[15:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: Investigate Bluetooth Fun] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1481
 @TheWendyPower [Yes! It is 100% Linux. ☺️], Compliment !!!
 @Slider1 [Compliment !!!], Thank you!
[15:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1482
[15:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1484
[15:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1485
[15:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1486
[15:40] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you have compton experience? i turn it on, then adjust opacity in window settings and hit apply and no change. i open a new window in case it only applies to new ones. no change. is something broken or am i confused? also we should have it on by default and hide it from the menus, i think. qlipper should also be hidden from the menus, no?
[15:40] <wxl> inspiration is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1793234
 @wxl in the terminal and didn't get any opacity, even when it should have been full opacity.
[15:55] <wxl> this is not good :(
 I need to get to PT, but I can help you look when I get home. (I've spent all morning on html)
[15:59] <wxl> np
[15:59] <wxl> i have to go to work soon
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: you have compton experience? i turn it on, then adjust opacity …], This sounds like a joke but it isn't. Try turning it off (the session) and back on again.
[16:10] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you're on the right track. a compton.conf needs to exist first
 Use the autostart function in the LXQt settings.
[16:11] <wxl> well we need to add a default conf to default-settings, i think
[16:11] <wxl> then if we add it to autostart it should just work
[16:12] <wxl> something is weird about the preference dialogs.. they seem to be opaque when inactive when other windows aren't https://share.riseup.net/#n6GWZgwsReFZDpuJWRZ0Dg
[16:13] <wxl> jesus 217 issues and last commit in 2017 :'''''(
[16:17] <wxl> @TheWendyPower knowing that starting compton, stopping it, then starting it again will get it working, could you play around with the window settings until we get some reasonable defaults given the rest of the themes and defaults we have?
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower knowing that starting compton, stopping it, then starting i …], Compton works ok with taskbar opacity.
[16:19] <wxl> @TheWendyPower you can put that in /etc/xdg/compton.conf in lubuntu-default-settings
[16:19] <wxl> gosh i wish people would stop finding bugs so i could get all the other stuff done XD
 @wxl when will be put Gtk overvriten and fusion qt style as default? In daily of 17sept there are not
[16:21] <wxl> @HMollerCl i don't think @TheWendyPower has submitted those yet.
 @wxl I thought Nomacs would be the oficial image viewer, LXImage is the one in the menu for 17sept daily
[16:23] <wxl> @TheWendyPower see the comment above but if you could ensure that Fusion is at least taken care of that would be great. Windows theme sucks. OR convince @HMollerCl to do it himself :)
[16:24] <wxl> @HMollerCl no lximage is meant to be our default https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED5ef782259f8bc6623a19479bb9a0ed2927e2673a
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl no lximage is meant to be our default https://phab.lubuntu.me/r …], Newsletter 11 from 13sept says the opposite
 Sorry
 I misunderstood
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower see the comment above but if you could ensure that Fusion i …], I will happy do it if you tell me how
 @wxl in the installation slidesow, there is sitill mentioned "smplayer" instead of vlc
 So we are keeping lximage as default or that is being changed to Fusion? I know we (as in @HMollerCl had a good idea for active windows) were doing some window border tweaking. I thought that was an alternative theme option.  ... Speaking on that topic I like the active window with the blue border and the having the inactive win
 I'm away from home for a few hours.
 sorry, I spoke of different things. LXImage is the utility to see images, has nothing to do with theming.
 In Qt Style currently is windows the default, we wan to make Fusion the default. Also set the default for GTK Override and the Theme Arc Darker.
 I will take a look at the compton thing, I have used xcompmgr in the past, might ot be that different.
[16:44] <wxl> @HMollerCl yeah we need to fix the slideshow. has @tsimonq2 discussed that with you @TheWendyPower?
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl yeah we need to fix the slideshow. has @tsimonq2 discussed that …], It's in QML so probably up her alley
 @wxl we did talk about it a little. @tsimonq2 was going to get me a list of applications that he wanted in the screenshots. But I think things have gotten a little busy! We had not talked about me doing anything else with the slideshow, but I can.
 @TheWendyPower PM 😉
[18:08] <wxl> @TheWendyPower do what i do and make a task and assign it to him XD
[18:09] <Wafficus> hey im back, did you guys figure out where the radio buttons were?
[18:09] <Wafficus> sorry for d/cing before
[18:09] <Wafficus> I tried looking earlier, couldn't find anything in the "netinstall" section
[18:10] <wxl> Wafficus: naw, we've had a whole pile of stuff we've been working on
[18:10] <Wafficus> gotcha
[18:10] <Wafficus> i'll keep looking later then cool
[18:10] <Wafficus> like later after work
[18:10] <wxl> Wafficus: might be worth asking the calamares folks (#calamares here). maybe tell them you're new to qt but that you want to add checkboxes in lieu of radio buttons and need a little direction
[18:11] <Wafficus> will do
[18:35] <wxl> has anyone tried kmenuedit? i'm curious if it would work right out of the box. it doesn't seem based on its depends that it's too firmly kde-specific. it might be a good addition
 I will boot into my Lubuntu drive.
[18:49] <wxl> please spread https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/100753924520902692 it should post to twitter soon enough
[18:55] <wxl> https://mobile.twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1042486049560190976?p=p
 (Photo, 493x533) https://i.imgur.com/rG002qi.jpg @wxl is this what you are talkign about, or something else.
 I have changed the keyboard shortcut to the super key.
[19:13] <wxl> @TheWendyPower no. i want something that can actually edit the entries in the menu. install menulibre if you want to see a really good option, but it's not qt. the thing i want to test is if kmenuedit will work well.
 I just installed Kmenuedit, I'll play with it. While on the topic of the menu. Someone was asking if there was a way to keep the menu from changing size while searching.
[20:19] <wxl> @TheWendyPower i mean, there could be but i think that's part of its features
 That is what I thought. I changed a few settings and it was not such a large change in size. I shared them with him and he was going to try it.
[20:21] <wxl> the search is basically a list.. so if the list is smaller, the container for the list is smaller.. that kind of thing
 👍👍👍 It makes sense.
 (Photo, 1280x721) https://i.imgur.com/sLZEUUD.jpg This is what it looks like after. Though it still grows and shrinks with the search options.
[20:23] <wxl> right
[20:24] <wxl> you can change the max items, as you can seee
 Ya, there are some nice ways to
 customize it. It was a question I was asked, so I thought I would share.
[20:29] <wxl> it's pretty cool that it's so customizable
[20:30] <wxl> lxde didn't have anything like that
 The transition from LXDE to LXQt might be a bit stressful, but it looks like it has some really great advantages.
 @TheWendyPower [The transition from LXDE to LXQt might be a bit stressful, but it looks like it …], +1
[20:35] <wxl> i agree
[20:35] <wxl> i am SO THANKFUL for all your help
[20:35] <wxl> i know i can speak for @tsimonq2 on that one
 @wxl [<wxl> it's pretty cool that it's so customizable], One of the first things I do is to empty search after close (or something like that(
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower no. i want something that can actually edit the entries in …], Alacarte is in python, could be easy to port
[20:39] <wxl> got a link @HMollerCl ?
 @wxl [<wxl> i am SO THANKFUL for all your help], Happy to help and learning a lot while doing so!
 @wxl [<wxl> i know i can speak for @tsimonq2 on that one], For sure.
 @wxl [<wxl> got a link @HMollerCl ?], https://code.launchpad.net/alacarte
[20:50] <wxl> uh
[20:50] <wxl> the home page doesn't go anywhere
[20:50] <wxl> and gnome? that's a no :)
 The home page for Falcon?
 @wxl [<wxl> and gnome? that's a no :)], why? I thought python was easy to port
[20:51] <wxl> relatively speaking but if something already exists in qt.....
[20:51] <wxl> and if not i'd rather go with menulibre as it's better sup[ported it seems
 I like better menulibre.
[20:54] <wxl> last upstream release of menulibre: this year and alacarte: 2014 :O
[20:56] <wxl> oh and their website has been taken over by spam http://www.realistanew.com/
 Looks very trustworthy. :P
[20:57] <wxl> right
[20:57] <wxl> file under bluemoon\
[20:57]  * wxl ducks
 Going back to compton, in CMakeList.txt says this: ... install(FILES compton.conf.example DESTINATION ${CMAKE_INSTALL_DATADIR}/compton-conf)
 I installed compton in lxde and couldn't find the compton.conf either
 yo can run compton without config file, only giving parameters in the commandline, and this is how it might be run now. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/compton
 but since there is a configuration utility, it's better to run with a file that is modified with the config utility
 and from what I read in maindialog.cpp where the file should lies is $HOME/.config/compton.conf
 (lines 43 to 51)   ... if(userConfigFile.isEmpty()) { ...     userConfigFile_ = qgetenv("XDG_CONFIG_HOME"); ...     if(userConfigFile_.isEmpty()) { ...       userConfigFile_ = QDir::homePath(); ...       userConfigFile_ += "/.config"; ...     } ...     // QDir configDir = QDir(userConfigFile); ...     // if(!configDir.exists()) ... 
[21:31] <wxl> @HMollerCl i think it would be best if we just made our own configuration tweaked to our particular preferences. could probably go in lubuntu-artwork, actually.
 @wxl [<wxl> i am SO THANKFUL for all your help], I am just hopeful that I am providing more help than extra work. Sorry I am late to the game.
[21:36] <wxl> @kc2bez ANYTHING helps, really
 @wxl I was able to get my phone paired via bluetooth but I received an error stating it failed. I restarted my session and it was actually paired. I sent a file from my lubuntu laptop to my phone via the bluedevil-sendfile app.
 Still some weirdness and we really need the plasmoid panel replacement to get it to work 100%.
[21:39] <wxl> @kc2bez well, the backend should be the same, but bluetooth can be particular at times..
 Agreed. Not sure why it says it failed when it really didn't.
 I can re-run in the terminal in a bit to see what it spits out.
[21:42] <wxl> good idea
 @wxl @TheWendyPower  I run compton-conf in terminal an after close the compton.conf file was created and everything works ok
 (I move some parameters before close)
[21:49] <wxl> right. if it's there it works
 From my personal point of view, compton should run in the less resource hungry mode (only allow panel transparency) but let the users add more efects if they want.
 @HMollerCl I made some changes, now I'm rebooting.
[21:54] <wxl> does compton really use that much in the way of resources?
[21:54] <wxl> i mean i know kubuntu can get kind of crazy but it's got wobbly windows and other stupid stuff :)
[21:54] <wxl> also i think using gl is slower than not
 @TheWendyPower At least for me there was no reboot needed, if you run it from the command line
[21:56] <wxl> compton stuff should be picked up right away....... assuming compton was run with a config file already in place
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/4iPQydK.jpg What am I doing wrong?
[21:59] <wxl> oh jeez i guess i need to undo my transparency to see this right XD
[21:59] <wxl> or is this just theming stuff you're playing with?
 @wxl [<wxl> i mean i know kubuntu can get kind of crazy but it's got wobbly windows an …], It depends on how much effects you use. But since people go to lubuntu for less resourde hungry, everythings counts IMHO.
 @TheWendyPower type compton-conf in terminal
[22:00] <wxl> @HMollerCl maybe it would be wise to trim it down then
 I did, made changes there, and rebooted.
 Not working for me....
[22:02] <wxl> so the deal is:
[22:02] <wxl> 1. run compton
[22:02] <wxl> 2. stop compton
[22:02] <wxl> 3. run compton
[22:02] <wxl> 3. edit compton configuration to your liking
[22:02] <wxl> 4 that is
 @TheWendyPower [I did, made changes there, and rebooted.], is compton runninng? does the file $HOME/.config/compton.conf exist?
[22:06] <wxl> this does NOT work (out of the box):
[22:06] <wxl> 1. run compton
[22:06] <wxl> 2. edit compton config
 And now I can't read anything!
[22:07] <wxl> hahahahaha
[22:07] <wxl> Transparency: 0.1? XD
 (Photo, 1280x729) https://i.imgur.com/x4U1vOA.jpg So after I ran compton I got this.... The issue was me.
 YA!!!!
[22:08] <wxl> good stuff!
[22:08] <wxl> you could always manually edit $HOME/.config/compton.conf
[22:08] <wxl> or is it $HOME/.config/compton/compton.conf? one of the two
 the first one in my case
 but the utility works for the basic
[22:09] <wxl> right
[22:10] <wxl> oh i know one way to see again
 You could make program specific configurations, that can't be managed with compton-conf
 killall compton
[22:10] <wxl> @TheWendyPower open a virtual terminal (e.g. CTRL-ALT-F1) and login and edit the above file from there
[22:10] <wxl> ^^ or do that
[22:11] <wxl> actuallyt hat's a better suggestion
 If I closed ther terminal compton was in I lost all the changes.
 I need to mess witt it some more...
 @TheWendyPower [If I closed ther terminal compton was in I lost all the changes.], Because you don't run it as a daemon. I'm not in my PC now, but you can easily make it run as daemon on login
 I saw something about auto start on the arch wiki. I'll definitely play with it some more!
 @TheWendyPower do this, in the Menu->Prefernces-> LXQt configuration -> Sesion configuration
 There in basic configuration Compton shoudl appear. If it is ticked it will autostart with the session
 and you can start and stop from tehre too.
 @HMollerCl [@TheWendyPower do this, in the Menu->Prefernces-> LXQt configuration -> Sesion c …], It will take me a bit, I'm booted into my Kubuntu ssd right now (steam). But I will definitely get that a try!
 (names may vary because I'm in spanish)
 Awesome! I should be able to find it.
 @wxl I have a pastebin output if you want. not sure what to make of it. My phone appears to be paired. I can send files to it so I thnk it is working but error messages are never good. I guess it could be my device, never really tried this before.
[23:29] <wxl> @kc2bez go ahead and post it up
 https://pastebin.com/au6SPANj
[23:31] <wxl> OH
[23:31] <wxl> i bet that's kdeconnect
[23:31] <wxl> !info kdeconnect
[23:32] <wxl> it should naturally error out
 Maybe. never really thought about that one. I guess I always think about kdeconnect as wifi not bluetooth.
[23:34] <wxl> i've never thought about it as anything but confusing XD
 LoL
 Not sure what more to do with this.
[23:36] <wxl> i think you did it
[23:36] <wxl> good job!
[23:37] <wxl> 🌟 
 Thanks. Did you get my message about the bluedevil-sendfile.desktop as well?
[23:38] <wxl> yeah
 ok cool. happy to help.
[23:40] <wxl> someone with interest in cutting their teeth on qt might find this an interesting project to finish https://phab.lubuntu.me/T16
[23:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] "About" menu: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T16
[23:40] <wxl> none of the other things are particularly "easy"
[23:41] <wxl> one that might be kind of easy would be tracking down cjwatson (on irc) to ask him about why our logo doesn't appear on the boot menu (isolinux). apparently no one else seems to understand it
[23:44] <wxl> another thing might be trying to talk to the lxqt folks and/or research whether or not metadata has been added in pcmanfm-qt to allow one to set per-application settings to quickly execute
[23:44] <wxl> if you hit the installer, it asks you if you want to open or execute. that's a good thing. except we don't want it to ask that.
[23:45] <wxl> we can set QuickExec but then EVERY app will automatically execute and that's not necessarily a plus
 Is there a list with all the todos? I guess it is in phab but I couldn't see the whole list, only the task you have posted
[23:50] <wxl> anyone with an nvidia chip should look here https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] NVIDIA drivers don't like SDDM: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[23:50] <wxl> @HMollerCl here's the urgent stuff https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Must haves for 18.10 release: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53
[23:51] <wxl> stuff for later is kicked here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu_2/
[23:51] <wxl> i think some of that stuff (documentation for dealing with upgrades) is stuff we should probably make sure we have now
[23:53] <wxl> the welcome center would be a nice one too and should be fairly simple, i think, given mate already has one https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-welcome-screen/1616/20
 @wxl [<wxl> the welcome center would be a nice one too and should be fairly simple, i …], I have been looking at Welcome Centers this week. After I get the Lubuntu-Devel site up to date I'll get started on that.
[23:57] <wxl> @TheWendyPower you're the woman!
[23:57] <wxl> 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 
 @wxl [<wxl> anyone with an nvidia chip should look here https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56], Problem here should be nouveau? I will try to get a PC with nvidia
[23:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: T56],is an invalid task reference.
[23:57] <wxl> hahahhaha
[23:57] <wxl> not sure @HMollerCl, thus the need for further research
 @wxl [<wxl> not sure @HMollerCl, thus the need for further research], I mean with noveau driver, the PC with Nvidia I can get is old, proprietary driver work until Kernel 4.13 only
[23:59] <wxl> oh hm
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower you're the woman!], 👍👍👍
[23:59]  * wxl still uses nouveau and hasn't had an issue.....