| donofrio | where is the powerpc channel for lubuntu? | 00:57 |
|---|---|---|
| tsimonq2 | There isn't one. | 00:57 |
| wxl | there's a powerpc channel for ubuntu but it's a ghost town as pretty much no one uses it (except for newer ppc64el for e.g. servers) | 00:58 |
| donofrio | yah my install https://photos.app.goo.gl/PqnEfDA38gg45j4c9 I'm sitting at now is http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CjHqWN3Zqb/ - | 01:01 |
| wxl | xfce tho :( | 01:02 |
| donofrio | yah I figured with 256mb of ram I'd keep the DE light | 01:02 |
| donofrio | or is it WM? | 01:03 |
| wxl | my general impression is lubuntu is lighter but ymmbv | 01:03 |
| donofrio | plus I use xfce4 at work - http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk ;) | 01:04 |
| wxl | well you might have better luck at #xubuntu then donofrio :) | 01:08 |
| lubot | <ctisme> @wxl [<wxl> using matrix.to it would be https://matrix.to/#/#freenode_#ubuntu:matrix.o …], thanks for the pointer | 01:10 |
| wxl | @ctisme np | 01:10 |
| lubot | <ctisme> (Sticker, 360x512) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/06W26561/file_4126.png | 01:10 |
| donofrio | lol k I'll keep on lurking | 01:11 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> my general impression is lubuntu is lighter but ymmbv], All the benchmark that I have read point that Lubuntu is lighter than Xubuntu. And after plasma kubuntu is lighter than Xubuntu too | 02:49 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> https://youtu.be/dyNVpWyVP-M | 03:20 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Lubuntu (lxde) 260M ram, Kubuntu 460M y Xubuntu 515M | 03:21 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Is anybody here that might be able to guide me in the direction of fixing my slight graphics issue? | 03:29 |
| wxl | GeekyGirl36: chances are it's not specific to lubuntu so #ubuntu can help, too but give it a go | 03:31 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Which problem? | 03:31 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Which issue? | 03:31 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I am running an Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Graphics Controller and it is mostly fine. Small visual issues. | 03:32 |
| GeekyGirl36 | It was nothing like my WiFi, which didn't work at all. | 03:32 |
| wxl | did you fix your wifi? | 03:33 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yes I did! :) | 03:33 |
| wxl | good | 03:33 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Thank you. | 03:33 |
| GeekyGirl36 | My co-worker said that the small imperfections I am noticing with LXTerminal was due to the OS running a . . . basic(?) graphics driver. I think. | 03:34 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> And what are your graphic issues? | 03:34 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Little things like the "FileEditTabsHelp" on my LXTerminal tabs. | 03:35 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Or imperfections | 03:35 |
| GeekyGirl36 | FireFox looking off . . . although I need to remove it. (My system can't handle it.) | 03:35 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Can you show a picture? | 03:36 |
| GeekyGirl36 | They are really just imperfections. | 03:36 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I can, if you give me time to figure out how to print screen and then Insert it here . . . | 03:36 |
| wxl | you can use share.riseup.net e.g. to post a screenshot and include a link here | 03:37 |
| GeekyGirl36 | https://share.riseup.net/#h0lCKd2-ak1Re9ULxgiGXQ | 03:40 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I hope that is it. lol | 03:40 |
| wxl | oooh pink and green | 03:41 |
| wxl | we're instant bffs | 03:41 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yes I learned how to change the colors in the terminal! :) | 03:41 |
| GeekyGirl36 | LOL! | 03:41 |
| wxl | anyways where exactly am i to be seeing the isue? | 03:41 |
| GeekyGirl36 | See the top of the lxterminal where the tabs are? | 03:42 |
| GeekyGirl36 | "FileEditTabsHelp" | 03:42 |
| GeekyGirl36 | They look just like ^ | 03:42 |
| wxl | oh | 03:42 |
| wxl | brb | 03:43 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Okay. | 03:43 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> What about the issue you see in firefox? | 03:43 |
| GeekyGirl36 | https://share.riseup.net/#QLliUC-FWGM4QdKWlO0O6A | 03:45 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I haven't used FireFox a whole lot, but it just seems off . . . | 03:46 |
| GeekyGirl36 | It could be that my system can not handle it. | 03:47 |
| wxl | i don't see anything weird about firefox per se | 03:56 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Firefox looks fine to me | 03:57 |
| GeekyGirl36 | That is just me then. I could be over thinking everything. | 03:57 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> The fileedittabshelp could bee an issue | 03:57 |
| wxl | wonder if it's some kind of font theme issue | 03:58 |
| wxl | do you have a custom theme? | 03:58 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I just know that it took me several days to get my WiFi up and running with just three lines in the terminal and I might be able to fix the terminal with roughly the same amount of work. | 03:59 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I do, but it has been the same from the initial install. | 03:59 |
| wxl | wait, you do or you don't? | 03:59 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I did change the font within the terminal. | 04:00 |
| GeekyGirl36 | But the FileEditTabsHelp has been the same from when I first installed. | 04:00 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> But the theme? Appearance or openbox | 04:01 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Right click of the mouse on the terminal background and Preferences. | 04:02 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Or lxde preferences | 04:02 |
| wxl | i think she's saying it's always been there | 04:02 |
| wxl | which suggests a graphics issue to me | 04:02 |
| wxl | this is 18.04 right? | 04:02 |
| GeekyGirl36 | So it should only change the text I enter and what the system prints. | 04:02 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yes, 18.04. | 04:02 |
| wxl | and here i am on 18.04 and lxterminal looks fine | 04:03 |
| wxl | so yeah i'm thinking graphics issues | 04:03 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> It only happens in lxterminal? | 04:04 |
| GeekyGirl36 | It is the only terminal I am using. | 04:04 |
| wxl | does it happen in pcmanfm? | 04:04 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I installed Terminator, but it was too beefy for little 'O me. | 04:04 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> But other programs with toolbar | 04:04 |
| wxl | or leafpad | 04:04 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Leafpad is fine. | 04:05 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Pidgin is fine as well. LOL! | 04:05 |
| wxl | pcmanfm? | 04:05 |
| GeekyGirl36 | AbiWord is all like lxterminal. | 04:06 |
| wxl | oh curious | 04:06 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I don't see pcmanfm. | 04:06 |
| wxl | it's the filemanager | 04:06 |
| wxl | just run it in the terminal | 04:06 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Oh. lol The file manager looks fine with the GUI. | 04:07 |
| wxl | whyyyyyyy | 04:07 |
| wxl | so let's get some more info on your video set up | 04:08 |
| GeekyGirl36 | galculater is all funny as well. | 04:08 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Is it a "G" thing? ;-P | 04:08 |
| wxl | first, let's install pastebinit (this will help us): `sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit` | 04:08 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Running . . . | 04:09 |
| GeekyGirl36 | 0 Upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded | 04:09 |
| GeekyGirl36 | pastebinit is at v1.5-2 | 04:10 |
| wxl | then when you have that done, do this: `lspci -nnk | grep -A 5 VGA` | 04:10 |
| wxl | take the resulting url and paste it here | 04:10 |
| wxl | weird https://askubuntu.com/questions/1074927/lubuntu-18-04-1-lts-broken-menus | 04:11 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Okay I did the last terminal command, but I don't have an output of a url . . . | 04:12 |
| wxl | oh hahha because i screwed up | 04:12 |
| wxl | `lspci -nnk | grep -A 5 VGA | pastebinit` | 04:12 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I will forgive you this time BFF. ;) | 04:13 |
| GeekyGirl36 | LOL! I see what you did there! That is why Linux is SO cool!!! | 04:14 |
| GeekyGirl36 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/59npdHcZYV/ | 04:14 |
| wxl | hm i don't think there's proprietary drivers for that | 04:16 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Hay, that person that post on askubuntu has tabs that look like mine! lol | 04:16 |
| wxl | go run Preferences → Additional Drivers and see if anything comes up | 04:17 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Since this laptop is SO old, I doubt there would be proprietary drivers. | 04:17 |
| wxl | not necessarily true | 04:17 |
| wxl | old broadcom wifi chips are a pain, regardless of age | 04:17 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I think I did that Additional Drivers program after I updated everthing. | 04:19 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yep, No additional drivers are available and No proprietary drivers are in use. | 04:19 |
| wxl | i suspected as such | 04:19 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I didn't know about broadcom wifi chips. Thank you. | 04:20 |
| wxl | if you change the font in Preferences → Openbox Configuration Manager → Appearance → Fonts for menu header or menu item does that change anything? | 04:22 |
| wxl | i'm trying to understand what this person is saying about the "window border theme." i assume they mean openbox configuration manager | 04:22 |
| GeekyGirl36 | All fonts are Ubuntu Medium or Regular. | 04:23 |
| wxl | i get you. but does changing them make any difference? | 04:23 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Nope, just changed it and it looks the same. | 04:24 |
| wxl | ok let's get crazy | 04:25 |
| GeekyGirl36 | WooHoo! I like crazy. | 04:25 |
| wxl | `cd ~/.config/openbox && cp rc.xml rc.xml.old && cp /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml . && openbox --reconfigure` | 04:26 |
| GeekyGirl36 | "cp: cannot stat 'rc.xml': No such file or directory. | 04:29 |
| wxl | uh that's weird | 04:29 |
| wxl | `ls -l ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml` shows what? | 04:30 |
| GeekyGirl36 | If it helps, the reason why I came to the Lubuntu chat is because I had found a few commands that worked in Ubuntu (YouTuber), but didn't work for me. | 04:30 |
| wxl | what were those? | 04:31 |
| GeekyGirl36 | ls: cannot access '/home/geekygirl36/.config/openbox/rc.xml': No such file or directory. | 04:32 |
| GeekyGirl36 | "/ home" doesn't work. | 04:33 |
| GeekyGirl36 | If I want to use the absolute path, I use the "cd Documents/blah/blah/blah" | 04:33 |
| wxl | ok that's really weird | 04:33 |
| wxl | you do have a ~/.config right? | 04:34 |
| GeekyGirl36 | That I do! | 04:34 |
| wxl | and you do have a ~/.config/openbox, right? | 04:34 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yes. | 04:34 |
| wxl | and there's nothing in it? | 04:35 |
| GeekyGirl36 | The GUI tells me so. | 04:35 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I have "lubuntu-rc.xml" in it as you requested earlier from the terminal. | 04:35 |
| wxl | ah ok | 04:36 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I am guessing you are going to have me change the previous command to include lubuntu-rc.xml. Yes? | 04:37 |
| wxl | wait whaaaaat hold on | 04:37 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I haven't done anything yet. | 04:37 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I was just guessing. lol | 04:38 |
| wxl | ok i don't understand why on my machine i have an rc.xml in addition to lubuntu-rc.xml. whatever | 04:38 |
| wxl | luckily i have virtual machine laying around | 04:38 |
| wxl | and it does indeed update lubuntu-rc.xml | 04:38 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Well that is funny, a virtual machine laying around. | 04:38 |
| wxl | so let's do this, and maybe we'll do it one step at a time to be sure: | 04:40 |
| wxl | cd ~/.config/openbox | 04:40 |
| GeekyGirl36 | No problem, step one. | 04:40 |
| wxl | cp lubuntu-rc.xml lubuntu-rc.xml.old | 04:40 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Done and Done. | 04:41 |
| wxl | cp /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml lubuntu-rc.xml | 04:41 |
| wxl | openbox --reconfigure | 04:41 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Done and Done. | 04:42 |
| wxl | no change? | 04:43 |
| GeekyGirl36 | There is a change, but not one we were hoping for. | 04:44 |
| wxl | probably throttled over your changes | 04:44 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Now my active windows are blue. | 04:44 |
| wxl | fix that with: | 04:44 |
| GeekyGirl36 | That is fine, I can fix those. | 04:44 |
| wxl | mv lubuntu-rc.xml.old lubuntu-rc.xml | 04:45 |
| wxl | openbox --reconfigure | 04:45 |
| GeekyGirl36 | No such file again. | 04:46 |
| wxl | uh you are in ~/.config/openbox? | 04:46 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Meh, it is fine. I can GUI it or hunt down the terminal stuff later. | 04:46 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Nope. | 04:46 |
| wxl | because the 2nd step i gave was the creation of lubuntu-rc.xml.old from a copy of lubuntu-rc.xml | 04:47 |
| wxl | well that's why silly :) | 04:47 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yes, I understand now. lol | 04:47 |
| wxl | well i'm stumped | 04:48 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I have searched all over Google and I only have two options I see. | 04:48 |
| wxl | i want two more pieces of information | 04:48 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Download the driver from FireFox or some terminal commands I haven't tried yet as you were helping me. | 04:49 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Sure, ask away. :) | 04:49 |
| wxl | cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit | 04:49 |
| wxl | dmesg | pastebinit | 04:49 |
| wxl | oh one more: | 04:49 |
| wxl | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit | 04:49 |
| GeekyGirl36 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g5398H4DTG/ | 04:51 |
| wxl | aw jeez your syslog rolled over | 04:51 |
| wxl | cat /var/log/syslog.1 | pastebinit | 04:52 |
| GeekyGirl36 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y3S2dZdZ5q/ | 04:52 |
| GeekyGirl36 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xzgMy9ZqmY/ | 04:52 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Well my BIOS can't even keep the system time for some reason. | 04:53 |
| GeekyGirl36 | The last one timed out. (syslog.1) | 04:53 |
| wxl | what does `ls /var/log/syslog*` yield? | 04:54 |
| GeekyGirl36 | "/ var/log/syslog" | 04:55 |
| wxl | that's it? weiiiiird | 04:55 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I am starting to think my computer likes me so much that it is trying to be as weird as I am. :-D | 04:56 |
| wxl | i'm not finding any clear errors | 04:56 |
| wxl | i think what we should do is create a bug report | 04:56 |
| wxl | i'm inclined to call it a problem with openbox, the window manager | 04:57 |
| wxl | and to be clear you're saying it started out like this for you right from the beginning, right? what about whwen you were instlaling? did you see it in the livecd? | 04:57 |
| GeekyGirl36 | That works as it seems to be a GUI thing. | 04:57 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yes, it has always been this way with LXTerminal. | 04:58 |
| wxl | did you look in the live system? | 04:58 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I don't remember when I installed, but I also do not remember anything abnormal ether as Lubuntu was my fourth install within 24 hours. | 04:59 |
| wxl | do you still have the installation media? maybe you could try booting it up and seeing if you see it there? | 04:59 |
| GeekyGirl36 | (Trying to find a distro that would work with this machine was a pain!) | 04:59 |
| wxl | i bet. lubuntu is usually what ou want :) | 04:59 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I do have the boot files. | 04:59 |
| GeekyGirl36 | If this didn't work, I had two more before I started another search. LOL! (And I really didn't want puppy . . .) | 05:00 |
| wxl | no, you don't | 05:00 |
| wxl | my boss loves puppy. i think he's nuts. | 05:00 |
| GeekyGirl36 | LOL! I was told Mint and it installed . . . until I couldn't move the cursor for like a minute or three. | 05:02 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Two distros wouldn't even install and then Lubuntu saved me. <3 | 05:02 |
| wxl | every distro has its quirks, issues, and bugs, but puppy is just weird | 05:03 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I can not say from experience, but puppy just reminds me of the 90's and I rather not go back to dial-up. | 05:04 |
| wxl | i miss the sound of a modem, but i'm old | 05:05 |
| wxl | (and i like noise, but that's another story) | 05:05 |
| krytarik | This appears to be a theme issue between GTK+ 3 (LXTerminal) and 2 (e.g. Pidgin) though. | 05:05 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Oh the sound is cool now, but back then . . . waiting for the little man to make it to the world . . . it was torture! | 05:05 |
| wxl | totally | 05:06 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Out of the blue krytarik knows the answer!?! | 05:06 |
| wxl | the worst was when the rainstorm cut out your connection | 05:06 |
| wxl | krytarik: so what do you propose as the ultimate solution.. and why am i struggling to reporudce it? | 05:07 |
| GeekyGirl36 | (Oh and don't be talking about old wxl; I remember those days still.) | 05:07 |
| wxl | GeekyGirl36: ok, WE'RE old then :) | 05:07 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Oh no the worst was when somebody picked up the phone while you were in the middle of a heavy IM chat debating on the best web browser. | 05:08 |
| krytarik | wxl: They appear to be using a different GTK+ theme?.. | 05:08 |
| GeekyGirl36 | LOL! Yes we seem to be getting wiser by the day wxl. ;) | 05:08 |
| wxl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZT-1y4eeY | 05:08 |
| wxl | oh so maybe it's gtk itself hmmmm | 05:10 |
| GeekyGirl36 | gtk? | 05:10 |
| wxl | GeekyGirl36: the GUI toolkit | 05:11 |
| wxl | afaik changing the "theme" in openbox is equivalent to changing the gtk theme, no, krytarik ? | 05:11 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I think they left wxl. | 05:12 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I know I have messed with openbox a couple of times. | 05:13 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I also changed things within the Customize Look and Feel. | 05:14 |
| wxl | but that's all irrelevant really | 05:14 |
| wxl | you had the problem from the beginning | 05:14 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Yes. | 05:14 |
| GeekyGirl36 | First thing I did when Lubuntu was installed was open the terminal all giddy like. | 05:15 |
| wxl | so let's do a bug report | 05:15 |
| GeekyGirl36 | That sounds good. | 05:16 |
| wxl | `ubuntu-bug openbox` and explain everything you did to me. include the pic. also a link to the askubuntu report. | 05:16 |
| wxl | you'll need a launchpad account, but that's free and easy | 05:16 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Sounds good . . . | 05:17 |
| GeekyGirl36 | I had an account. :) | 05:21 |
| wxl | good | 05:21 |
| GeekyGirl36 | "LXTerminal, Abi Word, Galculator all have menu tabs that look like "FileEditTabsHelp" and it has been like this from the initial install." Good enough? | 05:24 |
| GeekyGirl36 | It says "in a few words" . . . | 05:25 |
| wxl | yep. just include that picture and a link to the askubuntu thingy | 05:25 |
| GeekyGirl36 | That should be after when I select "Next" right? | 05:25 |
| wxl | and then sometime when you have time, please check it out with the live system and report whether or not you still see the problem in that | 05:25 |
| wxl | yep | 05:25 |
| wxl | you can always add/edit | 05:25 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Sweet, I will check out the live system. | 05:26 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Tomorrow night tho. lol | 05:26 |
| wxl | np | 05:26 |
| wxl | i'll go back to working on the next release :) | 05:26 |
| wxl | feel free to hang out. we're friendly and you can learn a lot trying to help others | 05:27 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Ohh, nice! Have fun. I will for the limited time I have left before heading to dreamland. :) | 05:27 |
| wxl | if you want to argue about the best web browser (it's w3m-img), #lubuntu-offtopic is nice :) | 05:27 |
| GeekyGirl36 | LOL! Sounds fun. | 05:28 |
| wxl | yeah i'm almost there myself tbh | 05:28 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Adulting is so NOT fun. LOL! | 05:28 |
| wxl | hahhaha yeahh work tomorrow bahhh | 05:28 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Same. | 05:29 |
| GeekyGirl36 | Have a great night all. :) | 06:06 |
| ubone | does the alternate iso have live cd session? | 19:01 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @ubone [<ubone> does the alternate iso have live cd session?], No. | 19:01 |
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