[17:26] <Kilos> hi guys, 
[18:18] <inetpro> good evening
[18:18] <pavlushka> inetpro: good evening :)
[18:18] <inetpro> oh wow, pavlushka is still alive even :-)
[18:19] <inetpro> how are you doing?
[18:19] <pavlushka> inetpro:  even there was an earthquake?
[18:19] <inetpro> nope, you have just been very quiet
[18:19] <pavlushka> inetpro: I stopped shaking long before, now I am still.
[18:24] <pavlushka> inetpro: https://twitter.com/kokrajhar_town/status/1039782105398427648
[18:26] <pavlushka> happens in every 18 years
[18:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: I miss you literally, on irc lately
[18:27] <pavlushka> and the people become rare on irc, there must be some explanation, may be chesedo can explain it.
[18:28] <pavlushka> If I am not wrong, he published a statistical study in Ubuntu may be?
[18:31] <inetpro> I guess it's partly due to extra functionality that is offered by other clients like slack, mattermost and such
[18:34] <inetpro> simple things like responding to a conversation so you can see the thread in full context
[18:34] <pavlushka> inetpro: you worked with mattermost server?
[18:36] <inetpro> I have a local gitlab installation at the office with mattermost for real-time chat
[18:40] <inetpro> I'm also on the ZATech team on slack, though not always very active there
[18:41] <inetpro> another small nicety with both slack and mattermost is that you simply press the up key to edit and correct your last posting
[18:50] <inetpro> I still wish we could do that with twitter, even if the edit function is only available for a few minutes after a posting
[18:55] <pavlushka> cool
[18:58] <pavlushka> inetpro: seen maaz or QA?
[18:58] <inetpro> oh my, no
[18:59] <inetpro> not sure whether we still need those anymore
[19:00] <pavlushka> inetpro: why? are those resource heavy? or the meeting thing is over?
[19:01] <pavlushka> inetpro: not attacking, not personal, so it appears like no community, no new peeps, no passing on!
[19:01] <inetpro> exactly, we simply don't have the users coming here these days
[19:02] <inetpro> sad but true
[19:02] <pavlushka> inetpro: I recollect your taking a meeting chair silently and later I missed almost every meetings miraculously
[19:03] <inetpro> way too many distractions
[19:05] <inetpro> maybe superfly's fault as well :-)
[19:06] <inetpro> him and other peeps now using debian more than ubuntu
[19:07] <inetpro> I should perhaps also migrate to debian
[19:10] <pavlushka> power cut
[19:11] <pavlushka> So the user cacooncrunch is gone with his bot, that is maaz.
[19:24] <inetpro> pavlushka: yep, I guess he gave up on irc
[19:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: that was supposed to happen someday but there is no replacement, that's the feature deprecation.
[19:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: but hey, its not over yet :)
[19:27] <pavlushka> may be someday someone will provide one. You never know and me too.
[19:27] <pavlushka> again
[19:28] <pavlushka> may be irc is just on low tide.
[19:36] <inetpro> maybe
[19:54] <superfly> inetpro: it's always my fault
[19:55] <inetpro> haha :-)
[19:56] <inetpro> superfly: glad that you are still lurking here at least 
[19:56] <superfly> folks tend to be on here during my work hours, so I don't get to chat
[19:58] <inetpro> you mean on other freenode channels?
[20:01] <inetpro> superfly: while you are here, you mind explaining something for me
[20:01] <inetpro> how do packages from repositories in debian eventually land on debian?
[20:02] <inetpro> I'm specifically looking at something like ovirt-guest-agent at the moment
[20:02] <inetpro> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=ovirt-guest-agent
[20:03] <inetpro> with our recent upgrade of ovirt to v4.2 the guest agent is no longer working
[20:03] <superfly> Packages get built and then uploaded, usually to unstable. After 10 days or 2 weeks of no issues, those packages get automatically migrated to testing. Once every two years, all the packages in testing are migrated into stable and a release is made.
[20:04] <inetpro> using it as was explained at https://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2016-May/039736.html
[20:04] <superfly> The maintainers of the package will do the building and uploading
[20:04]  * inetpro should perhaps have a chat with Vinzenz Feenstra
[20:05] <superfly> Totally. Send him an e-mail, I'm pretty sure he'll be happy to help out. I'd say a good 90% of Red Hatters are very friendly and helpful. Probably more, but I gotta be conservative ;-)
[20:05] <superfly> inetpro: that post is from 2016 though
[20:06] <superfly> inetpro: so things could have changed since then
[20:06] <inetpro> the version on his repo is at 1.0.11.3
[20:06] <superfly> right, I see.
[20:06] <superfly> inetpro: what is the problem you're having?
[20:06] <inetpro> see: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/evilissimo:/ubuntu:/16.04/xUbuntu_16.04/
[20:07] <inetpro> superfly: I see the version on the debain repositories goes up to 1.0.13
[20:07] <inetpro> debian*
[20:08] <superfly> yep, in unstrable and testing
[20:08] <superfly> s/unstrable/unstable/
[20:09] <inetpro> I'm assuming that even v1.0.12.2 would perhaps work better for us
[20:09] <superfly> inetpro: what are you running it on?
[20:10] <inetpro> we're still running Ubuntu 16.04 server 
[20:11] <superfly> inetpro: The package doesn't seem to depend on particular versions of anything, you can try downloading it and installing it. https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/ovirt-guest-agent/download
[20:11] <inetpro> will have to start testing 18.04 asap
[20:12] <superfly> It's always a good idea to start testing as soon as the first point release comes out.
[20:13] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that asap in the morning
[20:13] <superfly> inetpro: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[20:13] <inetpro> yeah that makes sense
[20:13] <superfly> then run sudo apt -f install afterward to make sure it has everything
[20:14] <inetpro> good point, thanks for that as well
[20:18] <inetpro> info about the guest agent (just FYI): https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/internal/guest-agent/understanding-guest-agents-and-other-tools/
[20:21] <inetpro> documentation needs a bit of updating as well, as usual 
[20:21] <inetpro> How to install the guest agent in Ubuntu: https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/guest-agent/install-the-guest-agent-in-ubuntu/
[20:21] <pavlushka> Good night Za
[20:22] <inetpro> good night pav[tab]... oops, too late
[20:59] <inetpro> superfly: the new version doesn't actually fix the issues I'm having 
[20:59] <superfly> inetpro: perhaps the more pertinent question to ask then is, "what issues are you having?"
[21:00] <inetpro> well, a little research takes me to the heart of it with the following reference 
[21:00] <inetpro> https://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2018-January/086101.html
[21:05] <superfly> inetpro: are you seeing the same issues?
[21:06] <superfly> inetpro: and did you look at the bug in Red Hat's bugzilla?
[21:07] <inetpro> by the looks the message above basically summarises the fix, but I just did that and the service is still not starting... but I'm still trying to figure out why
[21:09] <inetpro> got it running now
[21:10] <inetpro> after doing apt install ovirt-guest-agent --reinstall
[21:10] <superfly> hrm, perhaps it was a config problem
[21:11] <inetpro> thanks for the help
[21:12] <inetpro> will have to check it out on a clean install and then figure how I can automate the base install going forward