[00:00] Wayward_Vagabond: that nomodsetting thing you did might need to get the axe...fbdev is being used..and that isn't good [00:01] When you say direct rendering, you mean "hardware accelerated" right? :s [00:01] Yeah, it refuses to boot at all without the nomodeset [00:02] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> journalctl -p 4|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:02] it just hangs up after the fsck finishes, with a terminal cursor in the upper left corner [00:02] Wayward_Vagabond: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link...say so [00:03] http://termbin.com/1fu3 [00:03] I did a boot without nomodeset right before the one with it, that I'm currently using [00:04] Wayward_Vagabond: did you attempt to install amdgpu? [00:04] It was already installed, but I attempted a reinstall of it [00:04] and such had no effect [00:05] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> journalctl -p 3|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:05] Wayward_Vagabond: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link...say so [00:06] http://termbin.com/dafn [00:07] Wayward_Sep 16 18:59:39 Cooper-Dell kernel: [drm:amdgpu_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting. [00:08] Wayward_Vagabond: uninstall amdgpu that you say you reinstalled [00:09] just get rid of it entirely, then try to boot with default flags? [00:09] yep [00:09] K, will report back [00:10] k [00:20] No change after removing xserver-xorg-video-[amdgpu, ati, radeon] [00:20] -complete remove option on each [00:21] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> journalctl -p 3|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:23] I'm currently booted with nomodeset [00:23] http://termbin.com/77u1 [00:23] k [00:23] after a failed boot without [00:26] ok I didn't see a lightdm failure this time [00:26] previously you had Sep 18 20:15:20 Cooper-Dell systemd[1]: Failed to start Light Display Manager. [00:27] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:27] http://termbin.com/014c [00:29] you have two graphics cards [00:30] have you gone in to bios to declare PCI-E / PCI-X or add in graphics [00:30] Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Carrizo bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:9874 [00:30] Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M440/M445] [00:31] I've not touched bios options besides switching to legacy boot and shuffling boot order around [00:32] If I'm not mistaken, the former card is an embedded/low power one that should never be used [00:33] and the latter is the actual gpu [00:33] and HDMI output that I never use or plan on using [00:33] go in bios and look for a setting to declare Topaz XT as the "dedicated" [00:33] kk [00:33] or "primary" === Tara_t is now known as Tara [00:40] no sort of graphics options in bios [00:40] hmm [00:40] I can enable/disable some power save thing related to cpu, and it's off [00:41] it does report the cpu as R7 12 cores 4C+8G [00:41] manlxc [00:41] hggdh: @me? [00:41] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> ls /etc/modprobe|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:42] HalfEatenPie: nope, wrong window, sorry [00:42] ls: cannot access '/etc/modprobe': No such file or directory [00:42] oh boy [00:42] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> ls /etc/modprobe.d|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:42] i made a typo [00:42] sorry [00:43] Wayward_Vagabond: sorry, not for you (and I pinged another user by mistake as well) [00:43] http://termbin.com/ihc9 [00:45] Wayward_Vagabond: radeon is blacklisted [00:45] Wayward_Vagabond: i'm going to get more detail [00:45] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> ls -alh /etc/modprobe.d|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:45] I'm sorry, what's it blacklisted from exactly? [00:46] from loading [00:46] http://termbin.com/agzh [00:46] Ah, that sounds.. counterproductive [00:48] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-radeon.conf|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:48] http://termbin.com/h40r [00:51] Wayward_Vagabond: let's un blacklist the radeon driver [00:51] Wayward_Vagabond: so it can load [00:52] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-radeon.conf [00:52] Wayward_Vagabond: then confirm it no longer exists by doing this [00:52] Wayward_Vagabond: in terminal> ls -alh /etc/modprobe.d|nc termbin.com 9999 [00:53] Wayward_Vagabond: you don't have to show me the link just eye ball it and make sure it's gone [00:53] http://termbin.com/nfbi [00:53] yep, it's gone [00:53] Wayward_Vagabond: reboot [00:53] try rebooting with normal options? [00:54] Wayward_Vagabond: yes [01:02] Nothing :( [01:04] Wayward_Vagabond: i'm going to summarize a few details for you so we are on the same page when i elaborate my hypothesis [01:04] Wayward_Vagabond: your first inxi showed [01:04] Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) drivers: fbdev,ati (unloaded: modesetting,vesa,radeon) [01:05] where "radeon" was obviously "unloaded" due to it being blacklisted [01:05] your second inxi [01:05] Hybrid card? [01:06] Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) drivers: fbdev (unloaded: modesetting,vesa) [01:06] xamithan: laptop [01:06] where nothing amd/ati/radeon attempted to load AT ALL [01:06] oddly it also does not show as "unloaded" [01:07] maybe try reinstalling the drivers I had, that seem to have been blacklisted the entire time? [01:07] did you get the driver from AMD's website? [01:07] No, just from synaptic [01:08] first [01:09] check for your card on the "compatibility" list here https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx [01:10] R7 M445 [01:10] yes [01:12] sorry that is for Ubuntu 16.04 i have a new link for you to check for 18.04 [01:12] https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-for-Linux-18.20-Early-Preview-Release-Notes.aspx [01:14] my bad [01:14] make sure your card is still listed as "compatible" [01:14] things change [01:14] the link to download it for 18.04 is on the same page [01:14] download it from there [01:14] IF your card is still "compatible" [01:15] it's a compressed tarball (or like a zip file) [01:15] so you will need to unzip/extract it [01:16] FortKnight: I don't think I see it on that page [01:16] Wayward_Vagabond: if you run into issue downloading and or installing i'm here [01:17] FortKnight: I mean, I don't see my card listed on the 18.04 page- but I do on the 16.04 [01:17] Wayward_Vagabond: it's possible your card is covered under a "series" [01:17] Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M440/M445] [01:18] M260/M265 [01:19] meh, worth a shot then [01:19] it's already broke [01:20] i'd give it a shot if i was in your shoes [01:20] sucks AMD seems to be supporting less cards with the newer version [01:20] ...huh, in my downloads folder, I see a downloaded file with a similar name, but different numbers [01:20] but that's their corporate decision to make [01:21] I know at some point in the past, when it was 16.04lts the graphics worked, so I likely had AMD's proprietary drivers installed [01:21] probably so [01:21] but /something/ borked the drivers before I upgraded, as they were already broken [01:22] then [01:22] now that you're on 18.04 you'll probably have to use the newer [01:23] you're lucky you had/have a "supported" GPU ...lots of AMD owners don't [01:24] worse case your card is no longer supported .....on the other hand..it might be just what the Dr/doctor ordered :) [01:27] there's a good chance your card is still supported...AMD likes to rebrand their GPU sku #'s [01:28] It's doing it's thing [01:28] My prior machines have all been intel x nvidia, so it was easy to tell which chip was being used [01:29] Errors were encountered while processing: [01:29] /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-V8t3S8/01-amdgpu-dkms_18.20-579836_all.deb [01:29] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [01:29] op [01:29] K, I'll try the other option [01:31] E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [01:31] :| [01:35] Hmm, I think I have some garbage from the old ones left confounding this [01:36] what happens if you try the older for 16.04 [01:36] ugh, apt doesn't want to fix it [01:37] and I was on 16.04 when I installed them to start with, upgrading threw a monkey wrench in it- the uninstall programs wants conflicting versions of stuff to run [01:38] oh you upgraded to 18.....hmmm i wonder if things would fair differently on a fresh 18.04 install [01:39] heh, tried switching over to the old one, it's busted too [01:40] ohh, synaptic founf the broken one and is removing it, I was gonna try reinstalling the 3 packages I removed myself [01:41] cool [01:41] K, clearing the broken package with synpatic is letting amd's uninstaller work [01:41] noww I'm getting somewhere [01:42] that's a good sign [01:45] hi still i am looking for pdf editor for my ubuntu 18.04 [01:50] any active here? [01:51] Rockwood: Hm, a pdf editor would be quite handy, but never had that pressing of a need to find one [01:52] So far my workaround has been make stuff in libreoffice and export pdfs, keeping and odt or some such to edit [01:53] but i am unable to write in libreoffice that why looking for there [01:56] I wouldn't be surprised if "adobe" has a "premium" on the royalties they want for "editing" PDF's [01:56] while read only and create might come FREE or at a lower sticker price [01:57] wouldn't surprise me at all [01:58] Adobe's licensing fees are at least partially the reason the video distribution industry wants to move away from FLASH [01:59] Steve Jobs didn't want to give them one dime [02:01] PDF is also a charliefoxtrot of a format, from what I understand- it's easy to render one, or make one that doesn't need editing [02:01] and flash is a huge security hole [02:01] but editing one, deterministicly, that was not made with such in mind can be a very big headache [02:22] pdf is read only in okular [02:26] it's unlikely you'll find a PDF editing solution that works natively on %100 of PDF files [02:26] https://askubuntu.com/questions/162037/how-to-edit-pdfs [02:27] use what's mentioned in the above article and if you really want it bad enough run Windows in a virtual machine or something for PDF editing [02:28] else you'll just be chasing your own tail for months [02:30] Wayward_Vagabond: I assume charliefoxtrot approximately means mess? === kallesbar__ is now known as kallesbar === BgLamersTeam is now known as Dreaman [03:17] I'm back! [03:17] got it all sorted then?? [03:17] Though strangely, even though I did a complete reinstall from the boot disc it remembered my Pidgin handle... [03:17] so I dunno... and no, still getting the no disk space [03:18] I think I figured out why I'm having a buggy startup because it blackscreens when it autoruns the default Ubuntu option but if I manually select the LTR (which for some reason is an option further down) it does load [03:18] had ended up cleaning out some dust from the motherboard and waiting for the night to cool down in case overheating was the issue with the lack of startup but I think it's just the strange booting default [03:19] it's suggesting I run sudo apt clean but still not understanding why it's only partitioned around 3 gigs when there's 300 to work with [03:20] did you let ubuntu automagic the partitions or did you do manual? [03:21] I didn't do anything manually. I wrote down a thing I checked... "Logical Volume Management" [03:21] it sounded like someting which would take care of it for me === kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar [03:22] now I'm not seeing the old drive so I think it did an overwrite but somehow retained the info I put into pidgin [03:23] I opened LXTerminal prompt but forget that command you type to bring up the "/" directory and similar, if pidgin automatically logs convos I think it did at least delete that [03:27] entered sudo apt clean into LXTerminal and it requested a password and displayed some kinda square, not sure if that means it's running something [03:32] if you are showing 100% full or no space available on a fresh install, then you did something wrong. I'd suspect the LVM. If you don't know what that is, then you probably don't need it. [03:34] I'll boot from the disk and not check it this time... that it remembered the pidgin is conspicuous like it didn't remove Lubuntu even though I asked it too... [03:34] it did rename it though, hm... [03:35] JW if there are mirrors for https://partner-images.canonical.com/hyper-v/desktop/bionic/ -- that appears to be what's advertised at https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/09/17/optimised-ubuntu-desktop-images-available-in-microsoft-hyper-v-gallery but I suspect it's under heavy load as it's only providing ~200KB/s currently... [03:37] wow, my system really didn't like those amd drivers [03:37] now I can't get get any sort of graphical boot [03:38] Wayward_Vagabond: your ubuntu version please? [03:39] default hangs, nomodeset hanga veey slightly differently in the same spot, recovery mode > continue boot acts really weird [03:39] it rapidly cycles betweem a few screens with broken graphics [03:40] lotuspsychje: xubuntu 18.04.1lts [03:40] Wayward_Vagabond: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux [03:41] just installed amdgpu-pro drivers, so those are obviously not something it liked- itoffered the choice of a normal or legacy, and i picked normal [03:41] is there a known problem with 18.04.1 and xubuntu desktop? [03:42] nope [03:42] more likely the amd is causing issues [03:43] hard part is going to be getting them back out now.. [03:46] are snap apps breaking on 18.04? [03:46] having issues with mailspring [03:46] Wayward_Vagabond: you didn't get apt dpkg error this time? [03:47] Wayward_Vagabond: it actually installed successfully without error about dependencies ? [03:47] duoi: if you find a bug in a snap, contact the right maintainer [03:48] no errors that i recall [03:48] duoi: in your case that would be foundry376 [03:49] lotuspsychje, others are claiming its a snap issue [03:50] on the foundry376 repo [03:50] so curious if anybody else is experiencing anything similar [03:52] Wayward_Vagabond: you installed the ones for 18.04? [03:52] Wayward_Vagabond: did you already remove? [03:54] duoi: before volunteers can share their ideas, you will have to define whats happening exactly, with 'having issues' we cant do much [03:59] yeah, removed old stuff first, then installed 18.04 ones [03:59] thanks a lot for the help,but nearly midnight here now [04:01] no prob === Dreaman is now known as BgLamersTeam [04:03] I have some unused os partitions, might just throw a fresh install on one tomorrow if i remember to pick upsome mefia... [04:03] *media [04:10] Wayward_Vagabond: gparted to the rescue [05:01] Where should I put stuff that I compile from source? For example there is Language Server Protocol I am using for vim, vim starts it automatically when I open a certain filetype, I never run it manually. Where should it be it's place? [05:05] za1b1tsu: different things have different places, look at the documentation for vim extentions or whatever the vim term for those are to find out the places for that one [05:06] TimeDoctor: it's not a vim extension [05:07] it can be used for other editors as well. I'm trying to find it a place in the unix file system [05:07] okay I'm convinced that I have installed Lubuntu twice, somehow, as I now appear to have 2 usernames [05:07] despite overwriting [05:07] and any time I restart it's a cosmic pain to actually get into the OS due to weird black screens or eventually somehow dying from overheating [05:07] In general where I should put the programs I download and compile from source. [05:08] it appears to be letting me install software now though so I think reinstalling fixed the size issue [05:09] I think the problem was that I reinstalled but was still logging in under the old account which hadn't been removed despite instructions [05:09] I was doing research earlier on this graphics black screen bug though, I heard going into screensaver and shaking out could fix it so if I could set screensaver time very low in case it happens on startup that would be great [05:10] za1b1tsu: well, whatever it is it should have a place in the file system somewhere [05:10] "core temp above threshold, throttled" has me very worried so I think I need to monitor it somehow, was reading on borrowed laptop that "lm-sensors" and "hdd temp" help there [05:13] Accessories > Disks is giving me 34 celsius / 93 fahrenheit for my hard disks which I hope is okay but doesn't really help me with knowing CPU temp [05:24] closing buddy list never used to close rooms in windows... something to remember I guess [05:24] I thought I was locked on a black screen this restart but walked away and came back and it was up... maybe just a slow loading time? [05:25] suffered a bit of a white screen of death , kinda stucco like the wall Kingpin looks in during Netflix' Daredevil [05:26] would anyone know a way to customize the thickness of window borders to make it easier to enable the stretching options via hover? [05:26] it appears to work as I move from inside the window to the edge but not if I touch the edge from outside the window, and it's a very narrow margin [05:29] how do I CD? [05:31] conmanworknor42 cd as in change directory ? === cpaelzer_ is now known as cpaelzer [05:53] Two day ago I upgraded from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS on my laptop. [05:53] If I close the laptop the system goes to stand by, when I reopen the laptop and it ask me to unlock, the keyboard is not active. I can unlock using the display virtual keyboard. But also when then I'm logged in the keyboard is disabled. [05:53] How can I recover the use of the keyboard? [05:53] would anyone know if https://askubuntu.com/questions/149651/how-do-i-setup-pointer-keys-mouse-keys-in-lubuntu-move-cursor-with-num-pad-key is good advice? MouseKeys are important for me, buttons stick on my mouse or just the motion causes me pain to do [05:53] I don't need to move the cursor just need a keyboard alternative for left and right click [06:22] one question , I'm using webchat.freenode client , why some of my channels have ## and some have # ?? [06:24] humblewolf: # are official ubuntu channels, ## are other user created channels [06:25] okay thanks lotus [06:26] humblewolf: or ask in #freenode [06:39] hey guys [06:41] when i try to use apt upgrade on ubuntu 16.04 i see this https://www.paste.org/95185 [06:41] what should i do ? [06:45] linuxlove: "Try using -f." [06:46] that's: apt -f install [06:46] tomreyn, same error [06:46] i dont know what is wrong here [06:47] linuxlove: can you install pastebinit? [06:47] Greetings, I recently upgraded to 18.04, and hibernation has stopped working. I have a swap partition, double the size of my RAM. First of all, how do I know what the error is? [06:48] tomreyn, i can install nothing at moment i see that dependency issue [06:49] linuxlove: then run: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo; echo '*****'; echo; sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1; echo; echo '*****'; echo; apt-cache policy 2>&1 ) [06:49] maybe it's already installed [06:49] if not, we can try this: [06:49] linuxlove: then run: sudo /bin/true; nc termbin.com 9999 <( sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo; echo '*****'; echo; sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1; echo; echo '*****'; echo; apt-cache policy 2>&1 ) [06:50] tomreyn, nc: getaddrinfo: Servname not supported for ai_socktype [06:51] linuxlove: so pastebinit is not installed? pastebinit -v [06:52] tomreyn, command not found: pastebinit [06:53] tomreyn, i think i got this problem when i installed this libgssapi-krb5-2_1.15.1-2_amd64.deb [06:53] linuxlove: how did you instlal it? [06:53] linuxlove, are you actually using kerberos? [06:53] with dpkg -i [06:53] rfm, no [06:54] i just wanted to install postgresql 9.6 [06:54] and i got this problems [06:54] linuxlove: that's usually not a good idea unless you have verified it's the right package version to use for your ubuntu release, and it comes from a trusted source. [06:54] tomreyn, what should i do now to fix and remove that [06:55] check the package versions listed on your error message at https://www.paste.org/95185 against https://packages.ubutnu.com [06:56] make sure these are all package versions of ubuntu xenial. [06:56] if they aren't, downgrade them. [06:56] tomreyn, how can i remove that completely ? [06:58] linuxlove: so installing a version of libgssapi-krb5-2 manually, whiuch is not for ubuntu 16.04, is indeed the problem [06:59] linuxlove: you need to downgrade it: sudo apt-get install libgssapi-krb5-2=1.13.2+dfsg-5 [07:00] i cant install that [07:00] linuxlove: whats the error message? [07:00] because i get that dependency error [07:00] https://www.paste.org/95185 [07:01] linuxlove: that'S the same paste as previously [07:01] yesss [07:01] hi all [07:01] linuxlove: i doubt the output is identical for the above command [07:01] i get this for everything that i wanna install [07:02] did you actually run the command i posted? sudo apt-get install libgssapi-krb5-2=1.13.2+dfsg-5 [07:02] tomreyn, let me see you [07:03] tomreyn, https://www.paste.org/95186 [07:03] ANAND: have a look at /var/log/syslog* (there are multiple files. the one without a number is the latest, thse .1 is the last but one. the higher the number the older it is) [07:04] ANAND: i dont think there's any situation where you need twice as much swap storage as you have ram [07:04] Will do [07:04] Hmm... I've seen a couple of websites suggesting that [07:04] the double the RAM for swap thing... [07:05] linuxlove: sudo apt-get install libgssapi-krb5-2=1.13.2+dfsg-5ubuntu2 [07:05] ANAND: do they explain why? [07:06] tomreyn, it is in process [07:06] anand, the 2x ram was an old guideline for Solaris. for some reason people cling to it... [07:07] ANAND, even on solaris it was just to make sure there was enough room to store a kernel panic dump.... [07:07] Ah I see [07:07] tomreyn, https://www.paste.org/95187 [07:09] linuxlove: this is a network issue now. your computer failed to connect to 91.189.91.26. can you reach it at all? ping -c 5 91.189.91.26 [07:10] tomreyn, i can download with browser [07:10] and i have ping [07:10] can i install it with dpkg -i ? [07:11] linuxlove: yes, but you need to make apt work, too [07:11] how can i make it to work while i have ping [07:12] if you cant install updates through apt then we have not achieved much. also downloading packages manually and instaling them via dpkg makes you loose the ability to verify their authenticity. === Half-Word is now known as HalfWord [07:13] maybe just retry the latest apt command a few times. [07:13] do you have a proxy server there which may get in the way? [07:14] tomreyn: Here's a paste https://pastebin.com/MUjQ07h4. [07:14] Hope it's the right one. Would you be able to take a look? [07:15] ANAND: i think a swap partition the size of your ram (maybe slightly larger, in case your RAM is all full by the time you suspend) is sufficient. and if you dont suspend to disk you actually need much less than that. [07:16] Hibernation is my issue [07:16] tomreyn, there??? [07:17] i could solve network problem [07:17] tomreyn, https://www.paste.org/95188 [07:18] what should i do now ? [07:21] ANAND: it looks like it returns from suspend before it actually reaches it. but i'm not good atz diagnosing suspend, i'm afraid. i never use it. [07:21] Hi, I'm working with a headless remote box and I would like to start X(xfce) via systemd as a specific user. Please advise. :) [07:21] tomreyn, did you see that error i sent ? [07:23] linuxlove: yes. let's try this: sudo purge libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64 libgssapi-krb5-2:i386; sudo apt-get install libgssapi-krb5-2=1.13.2+dfsg-5ubuntu2 [07:23] linuxlove: yes. let's try this: sudo dpkg --purge libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64 libgssapi-krb5-2:i386; sudo apt-get install libgssapi-krb5-2=1.13.2+dfsg-5ubuntu2 [07:23] the latter [07:24] tomreyn, https://www.paste.org/95188 [07:25] tomreyn, sorry [07:25] linuxlovethat's not the series of commands i asked you to run last. [07:26] tomreyn, https://www.paste.org/95189 === spiritwalker_ is now known as spiritwalker [07:29] tomreyn, [07:29] there [07:29] !patience | linuxlove [07:29] linuxlove: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ [07:29] linuxlove: i'm not sure this works but it's worth a try and does no real harm: sudo rm /usr/share/doc/libgssapi-krb5-2/copyright; sudo apt-get install libgssapi-krb5-2=1.13.2+dfsg-5ubuntu2 [07:30] tomreyn, solved [07:30] linuxlove: can you show the output [07:32] tomreyn, i did apt upgrade after that [07:32] and it is in process [07:32] yes you lack patience [07:34] tomreyn, https://www.paste.org/95190 [07:35] tomreyn, should i cancel upgrade i let it to continue ? [07:35] or^^ [07:35] linuxlove: keep it going [07:35] tomreyn, okay [07:36] tomreyn, it is fixed now? [07:36] linuxlove: if apt was happy before you manually installed an unsuitable package, then it should be. [07:37] !latest | some general recommendation, since you wanted the latest postgresql version [07:37] some general recommendation, since you wanted the latest postgresql version: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [07:37] tomreyn, :-) === capella is now known as capella|away [07:38] tomreyn, and while i need to postgres 9.6 [07:38] what should i do ? [07:38] i can have it after upgrade ? [07:39] 1 [07:39] linuxlove: why do you need the latest? [07:39] :1 [07:40] aeolyus: keyboard issues? [07:40] tomreyn, i need connectivity from my web application and i got an error when i search for that i found out it is because i dont have latest [07:40] tomreyn: yeah sorry accidental presses [07:41] aeolyus: np ;) [07:41] linuxlove: which web application is this? [07:42] tomreyn, vapor [07:42] swift [07:43] linuxlove: postgresql 10 is the latest stable and it's better than 9.6. Why do you want to install 9.6? [07:44] zfer, im okay with 10 [07:44] zfer, do you have any reference for installing that stability [07:44] ? [07:44] I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 dekstop. I'd like to get completely rid of snap. Can I safely uninstall snapd (sudo apt purge snapd ; sudo apt autormove)? I can see (snap list) that a few apps are installed, including gnome-3-26-1604 which seems pretty important. Can these be installed as traditional deb packages? [07:44] linuxlove: i'd double check you really need such recent postgresql versions. if you do, you can use this apt reporsitory instead: https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/ubuntu/ [07:46] Zta77: i don't know, but suspect not. removing this snap without a replacement is indeed not a good idea, i gave that a try and parts of the ubuntu desktop did not appreciate it. [07:46] linuxlove: I'm using it since about 1 year and I'ven't any stabily or reability issues. [07:46] I'm using PostgreSQL since when its name was "Postgres", more than 20 years ago. [07:47] zfer, oh [07:47] Server apps , database apps don't need to be upgraded untill the package meet some critical issue , as of now postgresql 9.x has not meet any critical issue [07:47] thanks [07:49] zfer: while i don'T doubt what you're saying, postgresql 10 working fine for you, we usually recommend to use ubuntu packages around here primarily (not the !latest factoid above). [07:49] You can choose any one of these 9.3, 9.4, 9.5, 9.6, 10, 11devel ( 11 devel build is not for production ) for postgreSQL [07:51] especially for people not so much into ubuntu, yet, sticking to the versions (and the security support policies) within ubuntu can make a lot of sense. [07:53] . [07:54] i have a program, WriteMonkey3, and it has no installer it's just a zipped folder you put where you want. it has an executable 'nw' and icons for it. how do i make a shortcut? that uses their icon... thanks [07:57] jk_a: https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en [07:57] tomreyn: many thanks! [07:59] tomreyn: I also suspect that removing snap will be a bumpy road. But I really hate it, so I might take that route. [08:01] Zta77: not a good idea while you run gnome. if you dont, it's probably not a problem - i guess(!) [08:05] ubuntu = gnome, isn't it? I could kill X and perhaps do my surgery in the terminal. [08:08] tomreyn: worked perfect, thanks again. [08:11] jk_a: you're welcome [08:12] Zta77: by default, ubuntu uses gnome, yes. the other common desktops are available, too, though. [08:13] ^ the above statement refers to ubuntu 18.04, 14.04 and 16.04 use the unity dekstop by default. [08:33] hey guys [08:33] can i reconfirm my understanding of permissions and ownership? [08:35] if a directory has 777 permissions set, belongs to userA:userA, userB who belongs to userA group would also be able to rwx the directory right? [08:35] !permissions [08:35] An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions [08:36] i mean.. ive read it, and this is my understanding. Did i get it right? [08:38] 777 means that anyone can do whatever they want, they dont need to be the owner or group [08:44] Hi, I'm working with a headless remote box and I would like to start X(xfce) via systemd as a specific user. Help? [08:45] is it is headless why you want a gui on it ? [08:46] remote desktop [08:47] piousminion: you'll only be greeted with error(s) [08:48] piousminion: GUI was a afterthought and ideally you should have configured it from the beginning or initially [08:51] I'm unsure how to debug this. https://ghostbin.com/paste/cmhyp could someone shed some light? [08:52] to whom belongs jetpack_debug.log ? [08:52] the log file has 666 permissions by default.. [08:52]