[00:10] <moredrowsy> hey, can someone please tell me how to reset the network when I've got a bridge set up?
[00:10] <moredrowsy> sometimes when i boot up linux on an external hd with various computers, the internet won't connect 50% of the time. it has the circular arrow at gnome.
[00:11] <moredrowsy> i tried doing this command "/etc/init.d/network-manager restart" but no luck. only a full restart works 50% of the time.
[00:13] <moredrowsy> here's a pastebin of my network interfaces: https://pastebin.com/8ckuqKjk
[00:13] <[n0mad]> moredrowsy: this page seems to give a plethora of ways to restart the network https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-restart-network-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[00:14] <FortKnight> moredrowsy: you insist on keeping that "bridge"?
[00:14] <moredrowsy> i need to use it for the kvm
[00:15] <moredrowsy> well, let's disregard the kvm at the moment, how would you suggest to fix it?
[00:16] <moredrowsy> [n0mad], i tried all those. unforunately, it didn't work.
[00:17] <FortKnight> moredrowsy: it's working right now though correct?
[00:18] <moredrowsy> yes, sometimes it would work and sometimes it won't
[00:18] <moredrowsy> and when it won't work, i tried all those nework restarts and etc and it's still dead until restart and then i just pray it'll work the next startup
[00:18] <FortKnight> moredrowsy: have you looked at the logs when the symptom occurs??...intermittent issue..so the logs at present aren't going to reveal much
[00:19] <moredrowsy> hmm, which log should i look at next time when it happens?
[00:20] <FortKnight> moredrowsy: the system log or syslog or journalctl
[00:20] <moredrowsy> ok, i'll look at those next time it doesn't work. thanks for the help!
[00:22] <ryuo> moredrowsy: shouldn't you be using systemctl? Ubuntu has pretty much moved away from init and upstart.
[00:26] <moredrowsy> yes, i tried that too, unfortunately. =/
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: what version of ubuntu?
[00:33] <moredrowsy> 18.04
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: ah... you've got issues then... i can see why a bridge would give you issues. they're normally setup on a single device... portable installs will have varying network devices.
[00:33] <moredrowsy> to be more precise, the problem happens A LOT more often at school's computer than at my home. Only happened twice at home but at school, it like a flip of the coin
[00:33] <foureight84> @nacc that's the problem since the software updater didn't give me any errors
[00:33] <ryuo> i'm not sure how you should handle that honestly. I normally configure for specific devices.
[00:33] <ryuo> but why do you need a bridge?
[00:33] <ryuo> Oh. KVM.
[00:33] <moredrowsy> @ryuo, i need it for kvm to run windows 10
[00:33] <foureight84> i didn't even know there are broken packages
[00:33] <foureight84> i didn't reboot for the sake of rebooting. "i rebooted" was turning off the computer before going to bed and on a cold boot i saw the issue
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: all i can suggest is try setting them up with virtual interfaces and use NAT or something to put them on the regular network.
[00:33] <moredrowsy> @ryuo, do you know if getting rid of the bridge still have fileshare functionality?
[00:33] <ryuo> if they don't need to act as servers, that may be enough.
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: with what? just the host?
[00:33] <roguegeek> Hello. Is there a way to enable natural scrolling on 16.04?
[00:33] <moredrowsy> yes, just the host. the onlyreason i need bridge is to get on win 10 to download project files but if i can file share then i dont need the net on kvm
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: well, if you can setup an NAT bridge for your VMs... that could be a viable workaround.
[00:33] <ryuo> It would only have direct network access to the host.
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: then network connectivity for the VMs will be more dynamic, not dependent on the underlying networking hardware variants.
[00:33] <moredrowsy> ok, ill read up on how to set up a ANT bridge. thanks for the idea.
[00:33] <moredrowsy> NAT*
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: it's basically a bridge that has an IP for the host and each container adds their own virtual interface to it.
[00:33] <ryuo> all network access outside is through iptables NAT.
[00:33] <ryuo> the host will act as a router of sorts for them.
[00:33] <ryuo> moredrowsy: this is very common with systemd containers or LXD.
[00:33] <moredrowsy> ok, i'm confused but ill research it. thanks
[00:34] <ryuo> moredrowsy: not really that bad if you understand switches and routers.
[00:34] <ryuo> this doesn't use advanced features like VLAN.
[00:35] <ryuo> if you've ever configured a gateway router for your home, it's not much different.
[00:36] <moredrowsy> i haven't touched any router except what the router automatically does it me but i think i understand the underlying concept that you explained.
[00:36] <starfyter> Darn.  Missed a good question. :(
[00:38] <moredrowsy> brb. i'm going to rid of all the bridge stuff and try your suggestion.
[00:57] <moredrowsy> ryuo, NAT works. thanks!
[01:00] <texla> ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$ ps x | grep -i wayland
[01:00] <texla>  2773 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep -i wayland
[01:01] <texla> What is this telling me ?
[01:06] <FortKnight> texla: are you still trying to figure out what you're running?
[01:07] <texla> FortKnight, yes am I running wayland or Ubuntu I have logged in to Ubuntu
[01:07] <FortKnight> texla: open terminal>   sudo apt install inxi
[01:07] <FortKnight> texla: let me know when done...you can do this by simply saying "done"
[01:08] <Bashing-om> texla: ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' .
[01:10] <texla> FortKnight, done
[01:11] <FortKnight> texla: open terminal>   inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[01:11] <FortKnight> texla: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link...say so
[01:11] <texla> Bashing-om, ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$ echo $XDG_SESSTON_TYPE
[01:11] <texla> ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$
[01:14] <texla> FortKnight, ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$   inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[01:14] <texla> http://termbin.com/qrxn
[01:15] <FortKnight> texla: gnome gdm3 xorg
[01:15] <FortKnight> texla: you are NOT using wayland
[01:16] <FortKnight> you are NOT the father lol
[01:16] <texla> FortKnight, I am logged in to Ubuntu 18.04.1
[01:16] <FortKnight> texla: yes you are.... Distro: Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[01:17] <texla> FortKnight, Thanks that answered my question
[01:18] <johnjay> texla: how did you get that readout?
[01:18] <johnjay> inxi?
[01:18] <FortKnight> texla: Desktop: Gnome 3.28.3 (Gtk 3.22.30-1ubuntu1) dm: gdm3
[01:18] <FortKnight> texla: Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) driver: i915
[01:18] <FortKnight> texla: gnome gdm3 xorg
[01:22] <texla> johnjay, sudo apt install inxi then follow fortknights instructions
[01:23] <johnjay> that nc command is uploading it to termbin??
[02:03] <appa> Any advice on a good method for managing permissions on a network drive (NFS or something) with multiple users and machines on the network?
[02:06] <FortKnight> a system administrator
[02:07] <kk4ewt> appa groups make it easier
[02:08] <appa> they would but users are identified by UID on the NFS server and they vary from machine to machine
[02:08] <appa> lol I suppose I should mention it's a home network and I'm dealing with family members
[02:09] <kk4ewt> appa make all the users the same gid on all the machines
[02:09] <kk4ewt> excuse me uid
[02:10] <FortKnight> LDAP
[02:10] <FortKnight> why not centrally manage with LDAP...make your life easier
[02:10] <appa> I was looking into LDAP, but I'm missing something in the setup, it never seems to work.  I'm comfy in linux but not sys admin
[02:11] <appa> the uid might be a good temporary fix, just assign each kid a uid on their system
[02:11] <appa> FortKnight: if you can recommend a good newb's guide to LDAP I'd appreciate it.
[02:14] <FortKnight> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openldap-server.html.en
[02:14] <FortKnight> that's a LDAP doc sanctioned by ubuntu
[02:14] <appa> thanks!
[02:18] <pi0> running ubuntu, codeblocks is not loading
[02:19] <pi0> just appears to load executable but does not load
[02:48] <Goop> Is libre office the best there is for open source alternatives to Microsoft Office?
[02:59] <NewToLubuntu> can't get out of that windows habit of wanting to just close the pidgin buddy list and keep only the room open, wish I could launch it by default with the X scrolled offscreen to right so it's unclickable, did that now to prevent it
[03:00] <NewToLubuntu> upon automated startup I've been stalled on a black screen that doesn't reach login, I seem to get through when I select the Advanced option, choose Recovery Mode, and then "resume boot" without actually using any of the recovery options
[03:00] <NewToLubuntu> I'm wondering if I could figure out why that happens though and solve it so I can simply start it up and not need to do that
[03:00] <NewToLubuntu> or else, at least have it default to Recovery Mode every time I start the computer so that I can run that process
[03:01] <NewToLubuntu> and strangely, the Advanced options now give me 4 options instead of the usual 2, the normal and advanced for 2 versions, 4.15.0-34 and 4.15-029. I chose the 1st, not sure the why 2nd shows up if there was an update
[03:04] <NewToLubuntu> if it's not opssible to close the Pidgin buddy list I'm hoping to split it into a separate bar on the bottom so I can single click to return to this room
[03:35] <tucemiux> anyone can recommend a virtualization app? I'm going to install win10
[03:35] <tucemiux> !virtual
[03:46] <brandonkal> Hello, is it possible to use netplan to set dhcp to register the hostname with the dhcp server? My Ubuntu VM is getting a lease from pfsense but it is not registering the hostname
[04:45] <Voziv> Hello. Is there a way to point a domain name (for example voziv.test) to be resolved by a specific IP? On my macbook I'm able to set a file under /etc/resolver/squadley.test and specify the nameserver to contact.
[04:46] <Voziv> My main goal is to be able to redirect *.voziv.test and similar domains to query dnsmasq which is running in a docker container on my machine (dinghy-http-proxy to be exact)
[04:47] <Voziv> I'm running 18.04 and as far as I can tell there's no /etc/resolver like on mac
[04:52] <Goop> Voziv, so the question is do you want this domain to public point to an IP address?
[04:53] <Voziv> Goop: No, just on my machine. I'd just like my machine to use a specific nameserver when it queries voziv.test
[04:54] <Goop> Oh okay, you have a local copy of DNS records.
[04:54] <Voziv> yeah. dnsmasq is running in a docker container, which is exposed on port 19322
[04:55] <Goop> I have a tutorial that was easy as hell to do what you're talking about.
[04:55] <Goop> https://blog.heckel.xyz/2013/07/18/how-to-dns-spoofing-with-a-simple-dns-server-using-dnsmasq/
[04:56] <Goop> I know almost nothing about DNS, and that is the tutorial I used.
[04:56] <LTorvalds> Hey everyone, it's me!
[04:57] <Goop> LTorvalds, heyyyy!
[04:58] <LTorvalds> Goop: How's the fam?
[04:58] <Goop> I saw on my chrome browser that you had stepped down a little bit. Unless of your this is not the real Linus Tarvolds. Lol
[04:58] <Goop> Eh, I'm doing alright, how about yourself?
[04:59] <LTorvalds> no i am Lenny Torvalds (No Relation)
[04:59] <Goop> Oh lol.
[04:59] <Goop> Yeah, I thought that was weird.
[04:59] <LTorvalds> i agree, so strange
[05:00] <NewToLubuntu> would anyone know how to set a keyboard key to function as right mouse click? my button isn't working
[05:01] <Goop> NewToLubuntu, interesting question. I am running Ubuntu LTS 16.04, so my question is which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[05:06] <Triffid_Hunter> NewToLubuntu: mouse keys perhaps.. turns your numpad into a crude mouse input
[05:08] <NewToLubuntu> I'm using Lubuntu, maybe this wasn't an included feature?
[05:08] <NewToLubuntu> I think the latest one I'm using is based on 16.04
[05:08] <NewToLubuntu> I used to use MouseKeys back on Windows Vista, getting that back would be great
[05:08] <NewToLubuntu> I had considered the standard Ubuntu but had heard 4 GB of RAM was optimal and this desktop only had 3 GB
[05:17] <Voziv> Goop: I followed this to setup dns masq: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029882/how-can-i-set-up-local-wildcard-127-0-0-1-domain-resolution-on-18-04
[05:18] <Voziv> Instead of putting address=/.example.com I put server= to point it to the other dns masq server
[05:18] <Goop> Voziv, did you have a problem with the tutorial?
[05:31] <NewToLubuntu> I just xkilled my OS bottom menu... does anyone know how to bring it back
[05:31] <NewToLubuntu> I thought I should click on the program in the task bar but it vanished the taskbar instead
[06:33] <Furai> How to disable ubuntu server MOTD?
[06:34] <lotus|NUC> Furai: join #ubuntu-server mate
[06:38] <Furai> Not the answer I was looking for but I will. I think I'm hitting around 50 channels on Freenode about now. Thanks. :)
[06:40] <lotus|NUC> Furai: we seperate channels with experts of knowledge, i try to widen your options
[06:40] <Furai> Yeah, I understand. Sorry if it sounded like I got annoyed. :P
[06:40] <Furai> It's all good.
[06:56] <MonsieurBon> After upgrading to 18.04.1 I cannot login anymore. The graphical login screen just returns to the login screen and the command line login sais "Login incorrect". What can I do about that?
[07:05] <vlt> MonsieurBon: You can check a non-graphical login (ctrl-alt-f1).
[07:05] <vlt> Sorry, I misread that.
[07:06] <vlt> MonsieurBon: You can boot to "recovery mode" from GRUB and try there.
[07:07] <vlt> MonsieurBon: If that fails as well you could boot from a USB drive and try to reset the password.
[07:45] <zzarr> Hello!
[07:47] <akkonrad> in ubuntu 16.04 I launch my Postman app and icon is visible, but when I pick "lock to launcher" option the icon is missing and generic question mark is displayed instead.
[07:47] <akkonrad> in corresponding .desktop file there is path to icon: Icon=/opt/Postman/resources/app/assets/icon.png
[07:48] <zzarr> I have a problem with a server, let me explain. I had a Debian server running xen with an Ubuntu guest, the server ran in to hw issues so I moved the guest to an machine with a Ubuntu Desktop install, got it running and everything was fine.
[07:49] <zzarr> I can ssh in to the host, but it can't reach out
[07:49] <zzarr> both the guest and the host is running 18.04
[07:51] <zzarr> the host have had docker installed and I plan on installing it again
[07:53] <zzarr> here's the output from ip addr https://pastebin.com/mFYt4HCX
[08:44] <Kingsy> can someone help. I am always having problems with this and I would love to get a handle on it once and for all. My heads are not working. Tbh neither are my speakers but the headphonesa re the things I care about
[08:45] <Kingsy> ironically bluetooth headphones DO work. but connecting directly to the minijack they dont
[08:45] <Kingsy> What should I be checking first? I have checked they are not muted in alsamixer, however once plugged in they don't appear as a device in pauvcontrol
[08:47] <zzarr> Kingsy, what hardware do you have?
[08:58] <Something1> What happens if I close the laptop lid during apt upgrade?
[08:58] <Kingsy> zzarr: can I finsd more information about that? its an hpzbook
[08:59] <ledeni> Kingsy: 'lspci | grep Audio'
[08:59] <Kingsy> ledeni: 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21)
[09:02] <ledeni> Kingsy:  can you check pavucontrol -- configuration -- profile
[09:03] <Kingsy> ledeni: what am I looking for? it just shows the itnerface on "output devices" HDMI / Displayport is selected. and is the only device in the list
[09:05] <ledeni> Kingsy: check configuration profile options
[09:07] <Kingsy> ledeni: sorry I don't see a whole lot here. Under "configuration" there is "built in Audio" with again various HDMI options and also "Analogue Stereo Input"
[09:07] <ledeni> Kingsy: just try build in Audio
[09:08] <Kingsy> ledeni: yes but the dropdown options (profile) for built in audio are HDMI only.
[09:09] <ledeni> Kingsy: ok
[09:09] <Kingsy> Disital Stereo HDMI  output for example. Digital surround HDMI loads of HDMI options the only one that isnt HDMI in the list is "Analogue Stereo Input" those are all profiles of "built-in audio"
[09:10] <muhaha> How to get a gpg key from PPA ? I dont want to use apt-key to download one. I need to wget (with http proxy) it and add manualy with apt-key. Thanks
[09:11] <muhaha> like wget https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x93C4A3FD7BB9C367 -o key ?
[09:11] <ledeni> Kingsy: you connected with this lappy to tv?
[09:11] <Kingsy> ledeni: no. just two monitors
[09:11] <zzarr> Kingsy, I found this https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=267963
[09:12] <Kingsy> so the hdmi is in use.
[09:12] <zzarr> It's for mint but it could work
[09:13] <Kingsy> hm I don't want to delete the config. There is some custom stuff in there for my pulseaudio server.
[09:14] <zzarr> Kingsy, do "sudo modprobe -v snd-hda-intel" return anything?
[09:14] <Kingsy> zzarr: no! it doesnt
[09:14] <Kingsy> should it?
[09:14] <zzarr> yes
[09:14] <Kingsy> oh...
[09:14] <Kingsy> well I guess this is the issue.
[09:15] <zzarr> you're missing a driver
[09:15] <Kingsy> boom. Any idea how to add the driver I need?
[09:15] <zzarr> you could try "sudo apt install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` linux-generic"
[09:16] <Kingsy> E: Unable to locate package linux-restricted-modules-4.15.0-33-generic
[09:17] <zzarr> try "apt search linux-restricted-modules"
[09:18] <Kingsy> no results just Full Text Search... Done
[09:19] <zzarr> try and see what "apt search linux-restricted-modules" yields
[09:20] <zzarr> just realized, are you sure the sound card is enabled in BIOS?
[09:21] <Kingsy> zzarr: it has to be because bluetooth headphones work
[09:21] <Kingsy> right?
[09:21] <Kingsy> apt search linux-restricted-modules doesnt return anything either.
[09:22] <zzarr> Kingsy, no, a bluetooth headset is a separate audio device
[09:23] <zzarr> I have to go soon
[09:24] <Kingsy> oh well I could check the bios!!
[09:24] <Kingsy> 100%
[09:25] <zzarr> yea, good luck
[09:25] <zzarr> bbl
[09:26] <aLeSD> someone know how could I access the files of a docker ?
[09:30] <drager> aLeSD: docker exec -it running_container_id /bin/bash
[09:30] <drager> aLeSD: Then you can `ls` in there
[09:32] <aLeSD> drager, repository does not exist or may require 'docker login'.
[09:33] <drager> aLeSD: What? It needs to be running. `docker ps` then grab the CONTAINER ID and the run the command
[09:33] <drager> and then*
[09:34] <aLeSD> drager, this is the output of docker ps:
[09:34] <aLeSD> 2cf7f6d494fc        eosio/eos-dev:v1.2.5   "/bin/bash -c ./scri…"   17 hours ago        Up 17 hours         0.0.0.0:8888->8888/tcp, 0.0.0.0:9876->9876/tcp   eosio_notechain_container
[09:36] <aLeSD> drager, ok .. done .. I was using the name instead of image
[09:36] <aLeSD> thnaks
[09:36] <drager> aLeSD: Yeah, do `docker exec -it 2cf7f6d494fc /bin/bash`
[09:36] <drager> Yeah, name works as well.
[09:36] <drager> Np
[09:44] <muhaha> Is possible to download this key sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 93C4A3FD7BB9C367 with curl ?
[09:47] <jil> hello
[09:47] <jil> how do I purge and reinstall my window manager xfce ?
[09:48] <jil> It hangs at startup and I have to start by hand xfwm4 --replace; xfdesktop-start..
[09:48] <imsurit1> jil: by window manager xfce you mean thunar??
[09:49] <jil> isn't thunar the file manager ?
[09:49] <SimonNL> xfwm ?
[09:49] <jil> I mean the software handling the x-windows
[09:49] <jil> yes xfwm probably.
[09:49] <SimonNL> no idea what xf stands for but wm = window manager
[09:50] <jil> x (stand for itself I gess)
[09:50] <jil> well at startup juste after logging I have only see a terminal partly drawn.
[09:51] <jil> I can enter commands.  I use it to enter xfdestop-start and xfwm4 --replace
[09:51] <Something1> Try removing ~/.config jil
[09:52] <jil> hum.. sounds like a good idea.  Thankyou Something1 didn't think about that.  (didn't know where the conf file was..)
[09:52] <Something1> (I don´t ever use XFCE so don´t know where the config files for it are, but that *should* be the place)
[09:52] <jil> it is
[09:53] <Something1> Yay! Lemme know if it works please
[09:53] <jil> coming back (I hope)
[10:00] <jil> well nope.  Did not work... I logged out, logged in but here was my screen https://www.imgpaste.net/image/wfhpE
[10:01] <Something1> Bah! That happened after an update?
[10:02] <jil> I don't recall... when exactly it started.. a few months.
[10:04] <imsurit1> jil: https://askubuntu.com/questions/143376/how-to-change-xfce4-default-window-manager
[10:08] <Something1> jil, I don´t know how to solve this.. maybe a sudo apt update && sudo apt-full upgrade, just to make sure about that. And then sudo apt --reinstall install xfwm4?
[10:08] <Something1> sudo apt full-upgrade*
[10:08] <jil> ok.. I'll try.. thank you
[10:11] <SimonNL> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfwm4     jil no idea waht that exactly does but worth checking out on the web
[10:11] <SimonNL> sounds promising to me
[10:21] <jil> YES !
[10:21] <jil> yes ! yes !
[10:22] <jil> all set back on track...
[10:22] <jil> Thank you
[10:29] <SimonNL> jil: what ?
[10:29] <SimonNL> update, upgrade
[10:33] <Something1> yay jil :D
[10:45] <Kremator> guys, as 16.04 canonical has swapped completelly upstart for systemd right?
[10:45] <FortKnight> 16.x is using systemd yes
[10:46] <Something1> I thought in 16.04 there were some upstart hooks still
[10:47] <FortKnight> 16.x is systemd.
[10:49] <Kremator> Something1, FortKnight, well it appears, i was just watching everything running on my system
[10:49] <Kremator> and still got 2 "upstart" processes
[10:50] <Something1> Yeah that´s what I mean! I don´t know what it´s used for but I thought it was still in small places there
[10:50] <Kremator> although i think it is only the subdirectory, but whoever its calling must be systemd (but what i know, im just guessing)
[10:51] <Something1> https://askubuntu.com/questions/867843/sysv-upstart-and-systemd-init-script-coexistence found this
[10:51] <FortKnight> there's a #ubuntu-dev or #ubuntu-developer channel if you want to chat with devs about how/why ubuntu is the way it is
[10:52] <lotus|NUC> FortKnight: best not forward users over there without a specific reason
[10:53] <Kremator> FortKnight, dont worry, my knowledge doesn go that deep and also i guess the hybridation comes as the pay for the transicion
[10:53] <Kremator> you know, they cant jsut trow years of code already made to work with upstart just because lol new init system
[10:54] <lotus|NUC> Kremator: you dont need to use systemd if you dont like, there's 12.04 ESM too and 14.04 ESM soon
[10:54] <Kremator> ESM?
[10:54] <lotus|NUC> !esm | Kremator
[10:54] <FortKnight> lotus|NUC: i'm sure mods can "police" themselves and the rooms they mod
[10:55] <FortKnight> lotus|NUC: that's kinda what they do
[10:55] <lotus|NUC> FortKnight: im just saying, dont disturb devs when there's no actual need to
[10:55] <Kremator> lotus|NUC, lol no, im just an individual, i just asked by curiosity and if it was for "removing the systemDevil" i would just go with void linux or smth like that
[10:56] <Kremator> just asked because reading some old tutorials o had downloaded and notice they mention upstart
[10:56] <lotus|NUC> Kremator: systemd is not that evil, feel free to discuss it over #ubuntu-discuss
[10:56] <Something1> Hehe only slightly evil?
[10:56] <FortKnight> lotus|NUC: and i'm sure the room would be "invite only" or have some other mechanism to keep regular users out if it was of importance...like #linux NOT ##linux which is open to any and everybody
[10:58] <FortKnight> lotus|NUC: disturb?...worst case is nobody responds for hours.
[10:58] <lotus|NUC> feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss if you like FortKnight
[11:28] <dchapman> So. Attemping an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 and this is the result: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hky2J2MbvV/
[11:28] <dchapman> I'm a little concerned and not sure what to do next. Just rebooting seems like it could result in a no boot situation.
[11:31] <mmkumr_> After executive 'sudo iw wlp2s0 del' I am unable to turn on my wifi
[11:32] <mmkumr_> how to fix it?
[11:38] <ioria> mmkumr_, shouldnot be persistent
[11:38] <yeats> dchapman: you might try /var/log/dpkg.log to see if there's anything of interest
[11:39] <yeats> dchapman: you could also try 'sudo apt -f install' to see what happens
[11:40] <dchapman> yeats: Ok, the log file is long and I have no idea what I should be looking for. I'll try the -f install.
[11:43] <dchapman> Looks like it's running to dep issues, and "no such file or directory" errors. It's processing a ton of packages though, apparently.
[11:44] <yeats> dchapman: if you can record any errors you see (copy/paste them into a file somewhere) that will be helpful
[11:45] <dchapman> Well, I'm not sure if I have the scrollback to catch them. Eesh.
[11:47] <yeats> dchapman: you can use the 'script' command (either type 'script' [Enter] and it will create a file in the current directory called 'typescript' - after you're done, Ctrl-D will exit script)
[11:48] <yeats> s/either//
[11:48] <JimBuntu> dchapman, you should be able to append '|& tee -a output.log' to your command... then you can see it, and capture everything to a log file as well
[11:48] <yeats> yeah, more than one way to do it ;-)
[11:48] <dchapman> Neat, didn't know about either!
[11:49] <yeats> the errors you're seeing *should* end up in /var/log/dpkg.log though
[11:50] <dchapman> It completed with 2384 not upgraded. What a headache.
[11:50] <yeats> yeah :-/
[11:51] <yeats> dchapman: you should see something like "Errors were encountered while processing:" with a list of packages - if you can pastebin that somewhere, it might help
[11:56] <dchapman> I opened dpkg.log in vim and "while processing" didn't match anything. Hm.
[11:57] <yeats> dchapman: no - not in the log - on the screen after running 'apt -f install'
[11:58] <yeats> dchapman: and you can re-run 'sudo apt -f install' command too - it won't hurt anything
[11:59] <dchapman> Sure. Well, re-running it gives: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2384 not upgraded.
[11:59] <dchapman> Scolling up as far as I can, I don't see any "while processing" messages.
[11:59] <dchapman> I didn't know about capturing that output to a log until after I'd already run it. Heh.
[12:02] <yeats> dchapman: try 'sudo apt full-upgrade' while capturing the output
[12:03] <dchapman> yeats: Sounds good, I'll give it a shot.
[12:13] <cognition> pastebin.com
[12:15] <cognition> https://pastebin.com/D5crt77i
[12:16] <cognition> ntp is not starting, I pasted the output of strace ntpq -p
[12:16] <cognition> 16.04
[12:16] <cognition> seems like a well known issue but not able to find the fix
[12:16] <dchapman> yeats: Still processing, but this time it appears to be unpacking things without too many errors.
[12:17] <yeats> dchapman: good - if you're saving the output, finding the errors should be possible
[12:17] <dchapman> yeats: Yessir, I used the method by JimBuntu, assuming I didn't mistype something. ;)
[12:19] <yeats> cognition: "Connection refused" may mean a blocked port or that there's a networking misconfiguration somewhere
[12:20] <dchapman> Made more sense to me, I've used tee before to do some file cloning a while back.
[12:20] <dchapman> Script looks interesting though I'll have to look at it too.
[12:21] <yeats> cognition: looks like it's trying to connect to NTP running on localhost, is that what you're trying to do?
[12:22] <yeats> dchapman: script is handy if you want to record a terminal session where you're running more than just a single command
[12:23] <dchapman> yeats: neat, that's super useful.
[12:23] <cognition> yeats: np. not to localhost
[12:26] <cognition> https://pastebin.com/aUbNBLhz
[12:29] <dchapman> Just curious, what's "De-configuring" mean in a line. Is that dpkg setting up the configs?
[12:32] <Korbin> hello
[12:39] <haroldv22> good morning I have the same problem with my wireless card I have ubuntu 18.04 and kernel 4.15.0-34-generic
[12:40] <haroldv22> the wireless card is disabled
[12:40] <FortKnight> haroldv22: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[12:40] <haroldv22> yes but I am connect by ethernet
[12:41] <FortKnight> haroldv22: open terminal>   sudo apt install inxi
[12:41] <FortKnight> haroldv22: let me know when done..you can do this by simply saying "done"
[12:42] <haroldv22> FortKnight, done
[12:42] <FortKnight> haroldv22: open terminal>   inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[12:42] <FortKnight> haroldv22: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[12:42] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/2tb3
[12:43] <FortKnight> haroldv22: open terminal>   rfkill list|nc termbin.com 9999
[12:43] <FortKnight> haroldv22: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[12:44] <haroldv22> FortKnight,  http://termbin.com/2tb3
[12:45] <FortKnight> haroldv22: try again..you posted the exact same url/link twice
[12:45] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/nnoh
[12:46] <yeats> dchapman: proabably running a post-removal script for the old package
[12:46] <FortKnight> haroldv22: i think you're missing something here....one last time
[12:46] <FortKnight> haroldv22: open terminal>   rfkill list|nc termbin.com 9999
[12:46] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/5z85
[12:50] <haroldv22> FortKnight, can you see it ?
[12:50] <FortKnight> haroldv22: yep good
[12:50] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli dev wifi list|nc termbin.com 9999
[12:51] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/41e5
[12:53] <FortKnight> haroldv22: sudo ip link set wlo1 up
[12:54] <haroldv22> FortKnight, done
[12:54] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli dev wifi list|nc termbin.com 9999
[12:55] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/jj3p
[12:56] <FortKnight> haroldv22: sudo iw dev wlo1 scan|nc termbin.com 9999
[12:56] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/ia8u
[12:58] <FortKnight> haroldv22: http://termbin.com/znc6 which one do you want to use
[12:58] <FortKnight> haroldv22: ?
[12:59] <haroldv22> FortKnight, SitiVe
[12:59] <FortKnight> haroldv22: your wifi is working..just pick one from the list http://termbin.com/znc6
[13:00] <FortKnight> haroldv22: you should be able to use the GUI to select it and enter any password authentication now
[13:01] <FortKnight> haroldv22: give it a try now
[13:01] <FortKnight> haroldv22: all good?
[13:01] <dchapman> yeats: So full upgrade completed, I searched the log and didn't find any "Errors were encountered" anythings else I should look for, or do you suppose it's safe to reboot? No packages remain to be upgraded except one, called mp3splt
[13:02] <haroldv22> FortKnight, but http://termbin.com/8zby
[13:02] <haroldv22> FortKnight, in the network-manager GUI this appaers disabled the option to select the wifi
[13:03] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli dev wifi list|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:04] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/l2kle
[13:04] <FortKnight> haroldv22: net man still not showing anything like http://termbin.com/znc6
[13:05] <FortKnight> haroldv22: sure isn't
[13:06] <haroldv22> FortKnight, no
[13:06] <FortKnight> haroldv22: the problem appears to be with your network manager since the wlan is successfully scanning and picking up wireless access points in the area, proved by http://termbin.com/znc6
[13:07] <haroldv22> FortKnight, ok, what do you recommen ?
[13:07] <haroldv22> FortKnight, reinstall network-manager ?
[13:07] <FortKnight> haroldv22: yeah i'd reinstall net manager
[13:08] <ledeni> FortKnight: who you sort out from http://termbin.com/ia8u to http://termbin.com/znc6 ssid
[13:09] <FortKnight> ledeni: who?
[13:09] <FortKnight> how?
[13:09] <ledeni> how
[13:09] <ledeni> sorry
[13:09] <FortKnight> ledeni: idk..i guess i've been doing this so long it comes from muscle memory or something
[13:10] <ledeni> lol
[13:10] <ledeni> you use some command
[13:11] <FortKnight> ledeni: yeah grep
[13:11] <FortKnight> ledeni: i just grep'd out what was important
[13:12] <haroldv22> FortKnight, I need reboot my system ?
[13:12] <FortKnight> ledeni: trim the fat off
[13:12] <FortKnight> haroldv22: yes reboot..meet me back here
[13:12] <haroldv22> Ok
[13:34] <FortKnight> I sit alone in my 4 cornered room, staring at candles....
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:41] <ledeni> FortKnight:  i  find out ---> check  http://termbin.com/c9wv
[13:42] <FortKnight> ledeni: yep looks like you got it
[13:43] <ledeni> FortKnight: 💪🏼
[13:44] <haroldv22> FortKnight, nothing I reinstall network-manager but this install how basic version
[13:47] <pluma> I have a bluetooth headset that (to my amazement) works fine but when I open a new session for a different user (via Ctrl+Alt+F1) the headset doesn't show up for that user. Is there any way to share the headset between both sessions the same way the normal output device is shared?
[13:49] <pluma> AFAICT the difference is that when switching sessions via Ctrl+Alt+F# the speakers are reassigned but the headset is not, so the headset keeps playing audio whereas audio playback is blocked for the speakers (and thus videos tend to pause when switching with speakers but not with the headset)
[13:55] <Younder> Yes ALSA is a bit twitchy.
[13:56] <ledeni> haroldv22:  can you give us 'systemctl status NetworkManager.service | nc termbin.com 9999'
[13:56] <Younder> nc?
[13:57] <kernel-3xp> nc -h
[13:58] <rdg> appstreamcli is bombing all over the place and it's caused one machine to fail to update properly and is now borderline bricked.. this machine now can't update because of it
[13:58] <rdg> ubuntu update is telling me to recheck my internet but obviously it works because here I am but the error message is actually appstream exitting early/crashing
[13:59] <rdg> E:Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'if /usr/bin/test -w /var/cache/app-info -a -e /usr/bin/appstreamcli; then appstreamcli refresh-cache > /dev/null; fi', E:Sub-process returned an error code
[14:00] <rdg> if i run apt update from a terminal i get a glib-criticial error which kills appstream
[14:02] <rdg> hm. for whatever reason, reinstalling libappstream4 solved it
[14:02] <rdg> except when I try to do an update now it's telling me I can only do a partial update
[14:03] <rdg> i did that on the other machine (that's now sort of bricked) and it failed when trying to do anything with virtualbox
[14:04] <doubtful_> hi
[14:04] <doubtful_> I want to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04
[14:04] <doubtful_> when I run sudo apt update  && sudo apt dist-upgrade -y it does nothing
[14:05] <shadow98> hey guys how do you add a shortcut key for more than 4 virtual desktops.  I was able to configure shortcut keys for 1-4 but adding a 5th is not available.
[14:05] <lotus|NUC> doubtful_: update-manager -c
[14:05] <doubtful_> Linux neon 4.15.0-34-generic #37~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
[14:05] <doubtful_> lotus|NUC, I am using kde neon
[14:05] <lotus|NUC> doubtful_: yes?
[14:06] <shadow98> This in gnome desktop btw.
[14:06] <doubtful_> lotus|NUC, I am installing update-manager, not sure if it is different for kde-neon. Don't want to mix up stuff
[14:07] <doubtful_> shadow98, the update manager?
[14:07] <shadow98> no my above question?
[14:07] <FortKnight> haroldv22: hello
[14:08] <haroldv22> FortKnight, I reinstalled network-manager but I have the same problem
[14:08] <haroldv22> FortKnight, the network-manager show me disabled wifi option
[14:08] <doubtful_> $ sudo do-release-upgrade Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found.
[14:09] <FortKnight> haroldv22: give me a second, i got an idea
[14:09] <doubtful_> apt list I need to change?
[14:09] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli d s|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:10] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/i005
[14:14] <ledeni> haroldv22:  just open 'nm-connection-editor'  in terminal and make new wifi connection from there
[14:15] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli d set wlo1 managed
[14:16] <FortKnight> haroldv22: i'm a english only speaker but i think "sin gestión" means unmanaged/not managed.
[14:17] <FortKnight> haroldv22: not my native tongue so i'm not %100 certain that's what sin gestión means
[14:17] <FortKnight> haroldv22: correct me if i am wrong
[14:18] <haroldv22> FortKnight, I created the new wifi connection
[14:18] <haroldv22> FortKnight, yes  "sin gestion" is do not administrated
[14:18] <FortKnight> haroldv22: so net manager set wlo1 managed worked for you?
[14:19] <haroldv22> FortKnight, no
[14:19] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli d s|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:19] <haroldv22> http://termbin.com/2hny
[14:19] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/2hny
[14:20] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli d set wlo1 managed yes
[14:21] <FortKnight> haroldv22: i made a typographical error before ...use the instruction above
[14:21] <rdg> anyone running the latest VS Code in 18.04?
[14:21] <rdg> i'm getting segfaults after a dist-upgrade
[14:22] <haroldv22> FortKnight, 'nmcli d set wlo1 managed yes' ?
[14:22] <haroldv22> FortKnight, 'nmcli d set wlo1 managed yes' Done
[14:23] <FortKnight> haroldv22: lets see if it's still "sin gestión"
[14:23] <FortKnight> haroldv22: nmcli d s|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:23] <haroldv22> FortKnight, http://termbin.com/yb21
[14:29] <FortKnight> haroldv22: brb
[14:30] <FortKnight> ok
[14:31] <haroldv22> FortKnight, what is brb ?
[14:31] <FortKnight> be right back
[14:33] <haroldv22> FortKnight, i am installing wicd to tes
[14:33] <haroldv22> FortKnight, i am installing wicd to test
[14:35] <FortKnight> haroldv22: okay...if that doesn't work remove it, then use this link to try to connect to the network https://askubuntu.com/questions/461825/how-to-connect-to-wifi-from-the-command-line
[14:36] <doublehp> how to dig this ? Setting up policykit-1 (0.105-14.1ubuntu0.1) ... Segmentation fault
[14:41] <rory> doublehp: can you run this: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/policykit-1*
[14:42] <rory> doublehp: does it give any more info
[14:42] <doublehp> No such file or directory
[14:42] <rory> doublehp: what were you doing to get that error?
[14:42] <doublehp> http://paste.debian.net/1043590/
[14:42] <doublehp> all apt dpkg and aptitude commands give segfault
[14:43] <rory> what ubuntu version?
[14:43] <doublehp> xenial
[14:45] <jelly> doublehp: what was the initial command you ran?
[14:46] <doublehp> aptitude install munin-node
[14:46] <jelly> can you pastebin the whole output of that?
[14:46] <jelly> you wouldn't be mixing different ubuntu releases would you?
[14:47] <doublehp> in 5mn
[14:47] <doublehp> no
[14:48] <dbff2> I have a problem with my ubuntu 18.04
[14:49] <doublehp> jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1043592/
[14:49] <dbff2> Every time I put the computer to sleep my background changes to: https://image.ibb.co/jKk0Pz/Screenshot_from_2018_09_21_07_47_16.png
[14:49] <dbff2> same for my lock screen
[14:49] <dbff2> super weird issue
[14:49] <doublehp> dbff2: not surprising
[14:49] <dbff2> why?
[14:50] <doublehp> configuration issue in your BIOS, or faulty video driver, or design issue in your motherboard.
[14:50] <dbff2> doublehp my laptop is Dell g5 series
[14:51] <doublehp> this kind of issue heavily depends on the level of sleep mode, but is quiet frequent on home made machines, usually rare on prebuild systems
[14:51] <doublehp> dbff2: it's harmless, and I never tried to fix it
[14:52] <dbff2> problem is I have to use my laptop for presentations and people wonder wtf is wrong with me for using such a background lol
[14:52] <dbff2> I am using Nvidia-driver-390
[14:52] <doublehp> tell them it's an animated random number generator which takes it's seed in the SETI program
[14:53] <dbff2> for gtx 1050 ti
[14:53] <dbff2> :)
[14:56] <rory> dbff2: you could modify the file /etc/default/grub - find the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and append "nomodeset" to the list of parameters already there
[14:56] <rory> dbff2: e.g. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[14:56] <rory> dbff2: and then run "sudo update-grub"
[14:56] <rory> dbff2: and then reboot
[15:05] <doublehp> jelly: going to reinstall in 25s
[15:08] <haroldv22> FortKnight, thank you very much
[15:09] <FortKnight> haroldv22: no prob
[15:09] <FortKnight> haroldv22: how did wicd go?
[15:09] <haroldv22> FortKnight, excellent
[15:11] <dbff2> rory just modified grub and my laptop wouldnt boot up
[15:11] <dbff2> changed it back
[15:13] <rdg> trying to install ubuntu.. dual boot.. windows already installed and was bootable.. do I select the windows disk for grub or the linux disk
[15:13] <rdg> looks like it tried by default on the linux hd and failed.. now no matter what drive I select it keeps failing
[15:14] <pnwise> Why isn't chomium updates work in 16.04?
[15:14] <pnwise> I have security updates enabled
[15:14] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: chromium is being tested for snap
[15:15] <pnwise> But it is still on chromium 64
[15:15] <pnwise> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/chromium-browser
[15:15] <lotus|NUC> !info chromium-browser xenial
[15:15] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: is your system up to date?
[15:16] <pnwise> yeah it is
[15:16] <pnwise> it shows I have to update only vim because I sue repo for it
[15:16] <pnwise> *use
[15:16] <pnwise> And also cuda
[15:17] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: uname -a please?
[15:17] <pnwise> Linux desktop-pc 4.4.0-116-generic #140-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 12 21:23:04 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:17] <pnwise> Maybe you mean lsb_release -a ?
[15:18] <pnwise> No LSB modules are available.
[15:18] <pnwise> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[15:18] <pnwise> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[15:18] <pnwise> Release:	16.04
[15:18] <pnwise> Codename:	xenial
[15:18] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: .5 is out mate, update to latest
[15:18] <dchapman> yeats: Just wanted to say thanks, everything worked out. Running 18.04 without too many problems (a few xfce issues notwithstanding)
[15:18] <lotus|NUC> !cookie | yeats
[15:19] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:19] <pnwise> No it is not
[15:19] <pnwise> there is .4
[15:19] <pnwise> Also I want just to upgrade chromium
[15:20] <pnwise> Which should work
[15:20] <pnwise> But it does not
[15:20] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: thats not how it works, to update packages you need to update your system
[15:20] <pnwise> I am going to install 18.04
[15:20] <pnwise> When I get the time, but I have too much work
[15:21] <dchapman> Also you can use a PPA to install new releases of software, just be aware that these don't go through the ubuntu testing cycle (afaik)
[15:22] <pnwise> Yeah the problem here is the official package don't get updated
[15:23] <pnwise> Also apt full-upgrade doesn't do waht you think you do
[15:23] <pnwise> Whatever
[15:23] <pnwise> I will just intall 18.04
[15:23] <pnwise> When I get the chance
[15:23] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: pastebin to prove whats happening when you update please
[15:24] <dchapman> I see, in that case you have two options. Look for someone maintaining a.. Ok. 18.04 may get you the latest version, but then again, it may not. You may need to use a PPA, or, build the package yourself if you really need it (and can't find a PPA maintained)
[15:26] <dchapman> In most cases I don't recommend it though, as it may involve dependencies which may conflict with packages you already have installed.
[15:26] <dchapman> Only in critical ops do I consider going outside the official repos. :)
[15:26] <pnwise> That is not critical
[15:26] <pnwise> Actually it is
[15:26] <pnwise> There is security updates between 64 and 69
[15:27] <pnwise> https://pastebin.com/37VYbsWL - lotus|NUC
[15:27] <pnwise> I am not really interested to fix it
[15:27] <pnwise> was just wondering
[15:27] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: sudo apt full-upgrade now
[15:27] <pnwise> It is the same
[15:28] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: apt update and upgrades are not the same
[15:28] <tgm4883> pnwise: chromium-browser is not a supported package. It won't get updates.
[15:28] <dchapman> Well, there you go. Updating to 18.04 won't matter then.
[15:29] <pnwise> Actually I found the problem
[15:29] <tgm4883> Updating to 18.04 will get you version 69. But it won't get you version 70 (when that exists)
[15:29] <pnwise> Mirrors are fuck*ed
[15:30] <pnwise> tgm4883, I am talking in the official repo there is 69 while my local is 64
[15:30] <tgm4883> actually yea, it does look like security backported that, never mind me
[15:30]  * tgm4883 goes back to the shadows
[15:30] <pnwise> That have nothing to do with future dev
[15:30] <pnwise> Just switched to main server and now have 400+ packages to update....
[15:33] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: your system is full of external ppa's wich we cant support
[15:34] <pnwise> lotus|NUC, Do you even comprehend what I what wrote? And that I already found the problem?
[15:34] <lotus|NUC> pnwise: yeah i read you, im just pointing we normally we dont support external ppa's due to security risks
[15:34] <tgm4883> Let's all stay civil now
[15:37] <pnwise> Well I didn't ask for external ppa's. I asked why I wouldn't receive the official update. And when you made me add to pastebin  I saw I am querying mirrors and not the main repos, so that made me test with the official ones. So there was something wrong with the mirrors.
[15:37] <pnwise> Now I have 400+ packages to update
[15:37] <pnwise> And chromium is one of them with version 69.something
[15:37] <pnwise> So all is cool
[15:40]  * yeats keeps missing dchapman but is glad the issues were fixed
[15:58] <Lost_Goat> Ive got a question regarding trying to update my ubuntu box, everytime i use apt update i am running into a 500 error when trying to update, is ubuntu having problems ?
[15:59] <madghost> hello, how I can change driver for network card ?
[16:01] <FortKnight> madghost: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[16:01] <madghost> my current card driver is r8169
[16:01] <madghost> and I need to change it to r8168-dkms
[16:02] <madghost> I donwloaded it, yesterday worked, but today again low speed (((((
[16:02] <madghost> FortKnight> yes, I have low speed ( 15mb
[16:05] <Lost_Goat> Any ideas?
[16:09] <pnwise> Lost_Goat, you get 500 in the terminal?
[16:09] <pnwise> Try go to software and updates
[16:10] <pnwise> And use main server for updates not a mirror
[16:10] <pnwise> Or paste the output from sudo apt update on patebin
[16:27] <L72g5sSq> i have 14.04 lts. i want to *upgrade* to 16.04 or 17.04. how risk is this?
[16:27] <L72g5sSq> risky*
[16:28] <Richard_Cavell> I think you mean you want to upgrade to 16.04 or 18.04
[16:29] <L72g5sSq> Richard_Cavell: sure
[16:33] <nacc> kus: sorry, i misspoke yesterday, the pkg list is /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs
[16:39] <nacc> L72g5sSq: you will need to upgrade soon anyways (next year is eol for 14.04)
[16:44] <L72g5sSq> darn it
[16:46] <L72g5sSq> i've already documented most of the steps for setting up my development environment but bleh...
[17:00] <leonardus> when will the latest version of youtube-dl be in the repository?
[17:00] <leonardus> the current version is broken
[17:00] <leonardus> https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/issues/17457
[17:01] <teward> leonardus: in which repository?
[17:01] <leonardus> default bionic repos
[17:01] <NightMonkey> Hi, all. Is there a process by which I can test an LTS Linux kernel package before it is released to an LTS version? Is there some "testing" repo or such that I can use, or are they released directly to stable?
[17:02] <NightMonkey> Or a 'testing' PPA I can use that is the pipeline to LTS stable?
[17:02] <teward> leonardus: probably isn't going to get the version bump unless someone backports it.  you might need to open a package against the version in Bionic explaining why it's broken and then wait for a solution.
[17:02] <teward> it's atypical for version(s) to update frequently within a repository
[17:07] <nacc> NightMonkey: i guess in theory you could run with -proposed for just the kernel packages.
[17:07] <NightMonkey> nacc: Ah, there's a '-proposed' ! Didn't know about that.
[17:08] <nacc> !proposed | NightMonkey
[17:08] <nacc> NightMonkey: but keep in mind, you need to be cautious, it's easy to break your system with it
[17:08] <nacc> hrm, that faq isn't the one i wanted
[17:09] <NightMonkey> nacc: I'm actually trying to help our "antivirus" vendor (yes, I know) to have kernel testing and module recompilling done by the time a new kernel package is released to 'stable'.
[17:09] <NightMonkey> nacc: I don't think they know about '-poroposed'...
[17:09] <NightMonkey> * "-proposed", rather.
[17:10] <nacc> NightMonkey: to be clear 'stable' is the wrong term. You mean <release>-updates or <release>-security, i think
[17:10] <NightMonkey> nacc: Thank you. Yes.
[17:11] <NightMonkey> nacc: So, do LTS kernel releases go through <release>-proposed to <release>-security? Do they ever go through <release>-updates, too?
[17:13] <NightMonkey> I just want to show them a predictable path for their testing.
[17:14] <nacc> NightMonkey: i suppose it depends. embargoed changes may not go into -proposed.
[17:14] <nacc> NightMonkey: if someting is a bugfix only, it will only be in -updates, not -security.
[17:14] <nacc> (at least, not necessarily)
[17:14] <nacc> kernel changes tend to be a combination of things, though
[17:15] <nacc> NightMonkey: you may want your vendor to ask in #ubuntu-kernel, or work with canonical directly
[17:17] <NightMonkey> Hey, #ubuntu-kernel. Thanks.
[17:20] <nacc> NightMonkey: yw
[17:23] <NightMonkey> nacc: Thanks for the background, too. :)
[17:23] <jcdutton> NightMonkey, Which antivirus vendor is that? and which kernel module is it?
[17:25] <yokowka>  heavenO everysoul!!!! Who can help with system via TeamViewer??
[17:25] <teward> yokowka: nobody.  better for you to ask about the actual issue you're having and let us help you through here, rather than directly helping your system
[17:26] <teward> because we are all volunteers and for all you know we could destroy your system with that.
[17:26] <yokowka> warning then))
[17:29] <yokowka> who had installed duke nukem 3d 20th anniversary from .iso to linux system????
[17:49] <YellowSharpie> I'm trying to get Overwatch to run decently under wine version 3.16-x86_64 with DXVK. Details are: i7 7700 and nvidia 1060 on a ASUS H110M-E with ubuntu 18.04.
[17:56] <leftyfb> YellowSharpie: try #winehq
[17:58] <YellowSharpie> thanking you
[18:16] <JaydeepGo> hi
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> Hello JaydeepGo ... what can we help you with?
[18:25] <hdon> hi all :) i'm new to wayland. please tell me, what is the replacement for xrandr(1)? using gnome-control-center to set up my display resolution and orientation every time i plug my laptop into my two desktops displays is a real struggle. surely there is a command-line interface or something that i can use to set this up? then i could create a script to automatically set it up for me :D
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> hdon: Wayland is still under active development and features found in X11 have not been ported or replicated in the new environment. The recommendation is to us X11
[18:27] <Accord> hey, vim starts slow because it takes 1 sec to connect to the x server, how can I fix this?
[18:27] <madLyfe> changing the name of a filesystem won't hard the data will it?
[18:27] <madLyfe> harm*
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: what are you talking about?
[18:28] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: changing the LABEL will not harm the filesystem, no
[18:28] <leftyfb> Accord: vim has nothing to do with connecting to an X server
[18:28] <madLyfe> I named a disk 'staging storage' and I want to remove the space
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: vim is not an X application... how are you starting vim?
[18:29] <madLyfe> change it to just 'staging'
[18:29] <Accord> vim connects to X for clipboard
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: as long as you haven't configured anything to look for that particular value, I don't believe it will harm anything.
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: No, it doesn't
[18:30] <Accord> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14635295/vim-takes-a-very-long-time-to-start-up
[18:30] <YellowSharpie> what is an equivalent package to windows 10 performance monitor?
[18:30] <Accord> pragmaticenigma: if I run vim with -X ( which is the option to *not* connect to X) it starts instantly
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: Looks like you answered your own question then
[18:30] <Accord> YellowSharpie: top / htop
[18:30] <Accord> pragmaticenigma: no, the solution suggested there is to disable clipboard
[18:31] <Accord> I have clipboard set to on on my debian and there's no delay
[18:31] <YellowSharpie> I dont find it as useful by the gui
[18:31] <Accord> I don't use the gui but I want clipboard
[18:32] <leftyfb> YellowSharpie: system monitory if you insist on a GUI
[18:32] <YellowSharpie> I want God to fix all problems
[18:32] <leftyfb> YellowSharpie: please don't
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> YellowSharpie: Please stay on topic, this is a support channel, nothing more
[18:33] <Accord> in the vim startup log this takes 1000ms : xsmp init
[18:33] <Accord> oddly I don't have this step on debian
[18:34] <leftyfb> Accord: then use debian
[18:35] <leftyfb> Accord: I have zero delay in using vim on ubuntu 16.04
[18:36] <YellowSharpie> installing htop, again. Will stop whinging like there is a universal language
[18:36] <Accord> leftyfb: do you have clipboard enabled? vim --version | grep clipboard
[18:37] <leftyfb> Accord: negative
[18:37] <leftyfb> Accord: what's the purpose of that? I can select text in vim and copy and paste it
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: I just installed vim in 18.04, comes up instantly
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: clipboard enabled
[18:37] <Accord> leftyfb: when I yank in vim it goes to clipboard
[18:38] <leftyfb> ah, that is nice
[18:38] <leftyfb> think i'll turn that on to play with it
[18:38] <Accord> pragmaticenigma: which version? vim-gtk?
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: vim-gtk is not the same as vim... they run different environments... you asked about vim... I gave you the answer
[18:44] <Accord> pragmaticenigma: I just removed all my vim packages, did apt-get install vim and it doesn't have clipboard
[18:44] <leftyfb> Accord: do you have vim-gtk installed?
[18:44] <Accord> I just said I removed all of them
[18:45] <leftyfb> vim-gtk I think is what enables clipboard
[18:45] <Accord> sure but pragmaticenigma said he had no vim-gtk and also had clipboard
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> I just installed vim-gtk ... clipboard enabled... instant launch
[18:46] <leftyfb> I just installed vim+gtk, confirmed +clipboard, but it doesn't seem to be working for me :/
[18:46] <leftyfb> it also does open up instantly
[18:48] <nacc> are you all testing the same version of vim, ubuntu, etc.?
[18:49] <Accord> i'm on 18.04
[18:50] <cristian_c> hello
[18:50] <noway96> When I suspend my computer, power to my external drives gets cut. How does that happen exactly?
[18:51] <nacc> noway96: how are they powered?
[18:51] <cristian_c> I've got rtl8188etv wifi card (using r8188eu driver). I've made several trsts but when I try it on an amd ryzen machine, system freezes/crashes
[18:51] <noway96> nacc SATA power
[18:51] <Jordan_U> noway96: Most laptops won't supply power to USB when suspended. (Some will IFF the laptop is plugged into AC, many not even then).
[18:51] <nacc> noway96: meaning, via the machine you are suspending?
[18:51] <noway96> nacc yes
[18:51] <nacc> Jordan_U: or specific port, that are always on, i guess?
[18:51] <cristian_c> 18.04
[18:52] <Accord> this is my vim version : http://codepad.org/qqcnzIHv
[18:52] <nacc> noway96: depends on what Jordan_U said, i think
[18:52] <noway96> nacc, my question is more like this: how does my linux machine turn off power supplied by SATA power cable
[18:52] <cristian_c> I've tried alao on different machines/OSes and it never makes system freezing/crashing (intel platforms)
[18:53] <nacc> noway96: that is probably what your SATA controller does when the hardware is suspended.
[18:54] <noway96> nacc, is there a folder/file corresponding to my SATA controller in sys?
[18:54] <cristian_c> I've tried also an old kubuntu 17.04 with kernel 4.11 on ryzen machine and it doesn't crashes when I try to use that wifi card, but if I inatall the recent kerbel, it doesn't appear in grub
[18:54] <nacc> noway96: yes? I don't know
[18:55] <noway96> nacc, I'm going to try to find it and see if I can echo some value to a file in there that will suspend just that SATA controller
[18:55] <cristian_c> so, I've tried to re-install 18.04 in ryzen. The machine doesn't freezes using that wifi card in live mode (dvd), with kerbel 4.15.0
[18:55] <cristian_c> but if, after installed, I upgrade to a recebt kerbel, system freezes when trying ti mske connection
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: You have a large number of additional plugins... anyone of those could be the culprit... process of elimination, disable all of them, then enable one-by-one ... you will find what is really slowing down vim... that was also discussed in the article you posted.
[18:57] <leftyfb> Accord: are you just trying to disable clipboard in vim?
[18:57] <cristian_c> older kernels don't make to crash system when wifi card is initiakizing connection but they don't boot (if I don't use nokodeset)
[18:58] <cristian_c> if I install 4.19 kernel, system boots but wifi card makes system freezing/crashing (similar freeze with 4.18.8 kerbel)
[18:58] <cristian_c> *kernel
[18:59] <hdon> pragmaticenigma: oh :(
[18:59] <cristian_c> How could I solve this rough issue?
[18:59] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> hdon: Is there something I can help you with? Or did you accidentally ping my nick?
[19:00] <hdon> pragmaticenigma: was responding to you from earlier. 11:26 < pragmaticenigma> hdon: Wayland is still under active development and features found in X11 have not been ported or replicated in the new environment. The recommendation is to us X11
[19:00] <hdon> sorry :(
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> that's okay hdon ... just appeared random
[19:01] <NewToLubuntu> any recommendations on how to run games which only say designed for a windows platform?
[19:01] <kumool> NewToLubuntu, #gamingonlinux
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> NewToLubuntu: Run them on Windows... or ask in #winehq
[19:02] <kumool> but i second pragmaticenigma on the run them on windows, you're always going to run into unnecessary problems
[19:02] <kumool> hell, I stopped trying after my latest "problem" of blackening out the screen with no way of recovering Xorg
[19:08] <ketchup> is there diagramming software for linux where I can expand and collapse connectors
[19:08] <ketchup> im using kunbntu
[19:08] <ketchup> kubuntu
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> ketchup: Can you give an example of a program that you have used in the past to accomplish that goal?
[19:09] <leftyfb> ketchup: in what context? what type of connectors?
[19:09] <ketchup> edraw max probably
[19:09] <ketchup> its a line which connects two textboxes
[19:09] <ketchup> two or more
[19:09] <ketchup> kinda like a tree
[19:10] <ketchup> but not exactually
[19:10] <ketchup> edraw cant export the functionality into any file type however, so it can only be done within the editor
[19:11] <ketchup> and besides, it has other issues as well
[19:11] <ketchup> I used windows prior to now
[19:11] <ketchup> I must have tried every single windows/web app of this sort
[19:12] <granttrec> ketchup: libre draw
[19:12] <ketchup> im using that now but cant figure out how to collapse them
[19:13] <ketchup> there is normally a little + and - button beside each connector which you can click
[19:13] <Accord> did a reboot now it's fine lol
[19:13] <granttrec> ketchup: you want that in the editor or when its finished?
[19:14] <ketchup> both
[19:14] <ketchup> preferably a web page
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> Accord: That would sound like you had a large amount of data in your clipboard if you did nothing else beyond a reboot
[19:15] <granttrec> ketchup: sorry but thats not gonna happen in an vector graphics editor
[19:16] <ketchup> ok how about just in the editor
[19:18] <granttrec>  ketchup: I don't think it would be in an editor, but there are some digram web apps that might let you do it
[19:18] <ketchup> web apps will just crash
[19:19] <granttrec> unless its not a vector graphics editor but just a program to make flowcharts or mind maps
[19:19] <granttrec> ketchup: yeah that makes sense, bad idea for a webapp tbh
[19:19] <ketchup> im not bothered if its svg or not as long as it isnt blurry
[19:20] <ketchup> but even some apps with anti aliasing disabled and saving as uncompressed raster format still is blurry
[19:22] <JimBuntu> ketchup, I presume you checked out these - https://alternativeto.net/software/edraw-max/?license=opensource&platform=linux
[19:23] <ketchup> looks like some I havn't tried yet so ill try them
[19:25] <granttrec> ketchup: the only thing I can recommend is getting good with a vector graphics editor, you can make really impressive things with some practice
[19:25] <granttrec> kinda irrelevant comparison but its like when you find out draftsight has 3d
[19:27] <ketchup> I need to be able to drag and resize stuff after clicking away from it
[19:27] <ketchup> also be able to snap connectors to objects
[19:28] <nacc> there's very little gimp can't do
[19:28] <ketchup> I couldnt get freemind to install
[19:28] <nacc> ketchup: this seems like a better topic to ask about in #linux, tbh; not really specific to ubuntu
[19:28] <nacc> and you might get more help there, anyways
[19:30] <noraatepernos> I’m wondering if anyone knows of a package that will plot out disk io.  I’ve tried iotop and htop (with write/read cols) but I’m wondering if I can see more like a tally of i/o operations per process.  More like start recording/stop recording and show me a chart?
[19:34] <hellhound> ndera kore chera'a
[19:40] <Ellusion> Hello guys I'm looking for a good music player, which one is your favorite?
[19:40] <uebera||> Hi. Is there a setting to ensure that neither grub nor any other kernel.deb pre/post install script will *ever* create "linux/initrd" entries instead of "linuxefi/initrdefi"? Because my NUC requires [U]EFI mode.
[19:41] <uebera||> Ellusion: I use 'mpv' for nearly everything.
[19:43] <Ellusion> uebera||, i use that too just for videos :P
[19:44] <Ellusion> i'm lloking something that organize your music with modern interface
[19:48] <leftyfb> Ellusion: try #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for support. Not opinions on applications.
[19:48] <Ellusion> oh sorry, thanks!
[20:20] <qwebirc66213> how do i disable touchpad acceleration? i tried: use flat profile on tweak, edit the xorg conf file, and finally i checked the acceleration profile in dconf and there i see that theres a accel-profile for mouse but none for touchpad
[20:20] <qwebirc66213> (on ubuntu 18.04)
[20:21] <ntd> terminal, "gnome-tweaks"
[20:21] <ntd> at least i have the option here
[20:22] <qwebirc66213> ntd: yes, but it doesnt work; seems like it changes the mouse accel-profile but not the touchpad
[20:46] <scoffin> anyone know how to make firefox open in a "regular" window and not maximized ??   [ubuntu 18.4]
[20:48] <Tin_man> close it in a smaller window then re-open it.
[20:48] <scoffin> thanks, but that does not work :-(
[20:49] <Tin_man> if you adjust it to the size you want it, (manually) it will re-open at that size..
[20:49] <nacc> scoffin: works fine here
[20:49] <scoffin> does not do so for me
[20:49] <doublehp> jelly: after reinstall, problem did not come back
[20:49] <Tin_man> are you adjusting it manually or just using the button to size it?
[20:50] <scoffin> pull corners with mouse after leave maximized
[20:50] <scoffin> plus drag window around with mouse
[20:51] <scoffin> all re-open maximized next time ???
[20:52] <nacc> scoffin: how are you opening firefox?
[20:52] <scoffin> activites icon
[20:52] <scoffin> or command-line
[20:52] <nacc> scoffin: do you have 'restore previous session' enabled?
[20:53] <scoffin> where is that setting?
[20:53] <nacc> scoffin: about:preferences
[20:53] <nacc> scoffin: not sure if it's related, but both my systems have that enabled and both do what you are asking for
[20:54] <scoffin> huh...  ok, if I increase the screen size [or reduce font size], then it seems to work as you describe
[21:03] <ledeni>  scoffin: twaek --windows-- titlebar buttons turn on max and min buttons
[21:05] <YellowSharpie> suck many bang of largem  bendy penis
[21:08] <scoffin> thanks, the problem only appears when the gnome screen size is too small - either horizontal or vertical size
[21:10] <nacc> YellowSharpie: please don't do that in this channel.
[21:15] <hongo2536> hi, just upgraded ubuntu from 16.04 to 18.04, and windows can't move now. Eg, i fire up a terminal window, and there's no area to grab and move it
[21:16] <hongo2536> is there some window manager thing i need to do? wmctrl says i'm running gnome
[21:19] <nacc> hongo2536: have you rebooted since the upgrade?
[21:19] <nacc> hongo2536: and how did you upgrade?
[21:20] <hongo2536> oh yeah, several times i've rebooted
[21:20] <nacc> hongo2536: and finally, did the release upgrade complete without errors?
[21:21] <hongo2536> Open the "Software & Updates" Setting in System Settings.  Select the 3rd Tab called "Updates". Set the "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version" drop down menu to "For any new version" if you are using 16.04 LTS; set it to "For long-term support versions" if you are using 17.10. Press Alt+F2 and type  update-manager -c   into the command box.  Update Manager should open up and tell you that Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is now available.
[21:21] <hongo2536> that's from the ubuntu wiki
[21:21] <hongo2536> and it did complete w/o errors
[21:21] <nacc> hongo2536: you can just say `update-manager -c` :)
[21:22] <nacc> hongo2536: can you type in the terminal you can't open? if so `ps aux | grep gnome-shell`, does it return any processes?
[21:22] <hongo2536> initially i was getting errors, but i wasn't updating all of the other software. So i first updated all the software, then when it asked me if i wanted to upgrade to 18.04, i said yes and it completed w/o error
[21:22] <hongo2536> oh yeah, i can work in the terminal no problem
[21:23] <nacc> (sorry can't move, not can't open above)
[21:23] <hongo2536> yeah, i get 4 or so gnome-shell processes
[21:24] <nacc> strange, i think that should be managing your windows
[21:24] <hongo2536> yeah, it's like i'm missing some setting that enables the window decoration
[21:24] <hongo2536> it's the same for other procs, like firefox
[21:25] <nacc> might be missing a theme or something? https://askubuntu.com/questions/877270/gnome3-window-decorations-disappeared-on-ubuntu-16-04
[21:34] <hongo2536> @nacc so i installed that gnome tweak tool, ran it, and it just looks really strange. The UI for the dropdowns for applications/cursor/icons is all messed up.
[21:34] <hongo2536> Interestingly, this window does have a bar i can grab and move the window with
[21:34] <nacc> hongo2536: hrm, i'm not sure. You could try and create a dummy user, and then login as that user
[21:35] <hongo2536> oh that's a good idea
[21:35] <nacc> hongo2536: see if it's normal, it might be something from your 16.04 ~/.config or ~/.local directories
[21:36] <nacc> hongo2536: it's one of my long-standing open-source complaints that per-user config files aren't tracked the same as the system ones, even though they are at well-defined paths.
[21:42] <TomyLobo> hi
[21:42] <TomyLobo> is 14.04 still supported?
[21:44] <hongo2536> @nacc oh yeah, the new user looks fine
[21:44] <nacc> TomyLobo: yes, until next year
[21:44] <TomyLobo> rhetorical question, the answer is yes, but i'm wondering why there's no openjdk 8 in it
[21:44] <hongo2536> i have to run now, i'll get back to this later, but thanks a bunch for the help!
[21:44] <nacc> hongo2536: interesting. it can be a pain to debug, but you can backup those dirs in your user and see if it fixes it
[21:45] <nacc> TomyLobo: why would there be?
[21:45] <TomyLobo> now i dont know about openjdk, but oracle jdk 7 is EOL
[21:45] <TomyLobo> software is starting to require 8
[21:45] <nacc> TomyLobo: openjdk 8 didn't come out until march 2014
[21:45] <TomyLobo> that's 4 years in the past
[21:46] <nacc> TomyLobo: so is when your OS came out.
[21:46] <TomyLobo> and i suppose the same policy applies to, for instance, firefox?
[21:47] <nacc> TomyLobo: firefox has a a different policy, aiui
[21:48] <nacc> TomyLobo: rh has said openjdk-7 will go until 2020
[21:48] <nacc> TomyLobo: if your software needs openjdk 8, go to a modern OS (14.04 is not considered modern, imo)
[21:49] <nacc> !latest | TomyLobo: pretty sure this is just another way of asking about this
[21:49] <TomyLobo> imo, complex software like that should be updated if upstream declares it EOL
[21:49] <nacc> TomyLobo: and upstream has not.
[21:53] <TomyLobo> nacc, who is the upstream for openjdk?
[21:53] <nacc> TomyLobo: what? openjdk is an upstream project.
[21:53] <TomyLobo> who maintains it?
[21:53] <TomyLobo> as far as i can tell, it's maintained by oracle
[21:54] <nacc> without being too snarky (it's friday, admittedly), not knowing that means maybe you shouldn't use that software
[21:55] <nacc> TomyLobo: rh maintains oracle's eol releases when they have given them up in the past
[21:56] <TomyLobo> alright, then i guess there is an upstream
[21:59] <Stabington> gnome-shell is using > 10% CPU o.o
[21:59] <Kremator> Stabington, >GNOME
[22:00] <Kremator> there's your problem
[22:00] <Stabington> you don't say
[22:00] <nacc> Stabington: gnome-shell is a bit of a cpu hog, admittedly, is it sustained?
[22:00] <Stabington> Yep, hovering at around 10%
[22:00] <Stabington> 319 MB memory...
[22:01] <Stabington> wtf it's just a desktop >.<
[22:01] <Kremator> Stabington, just go to a TTY and use your pc from there
[22:02] <nacc> Kremator: please either provide actual support
[22:02] <nacc> s/either/
[22:03] <Stabington> Seems like it's happening when I got a video playing in the browser
[22:05] <Kremator> Stabington, depending on your CPU architecture (and therefore it's instruction set) and the video format, video playback can be very CPU consuming}
[22:05] <Kremator> also, the video resolution does affect aswell
[22:05] <Kremator> try using MPV with that video and check if the CPU % usage is the same
[22:05] <Stabington> I get that, but... why is gnome-shell using more CPU
[22:06] <Stabington> That has nothing to do with video encoding
[22:06] <Stabington> decoding*
[22:06] <TomyLobo> Stabington, does gnome-shell use more cpu only while a video is playing?
[22:06] <Stabington> Seems like it
[22:07] <TomyLobo> no idea what gnome-shell is or does (i'm more of a kde user), but is it possible that playback is piped through that?
[22:07] <nacc> Stabington: do you hvae multiple displays?
[22:07] <Stabington> It's only when I have the tab open as well
[22:07] <nacc> Stabington: and of course your window manager has something to do with displaying the video...
[22:07] <Stabington> nacc, I do indeed
[22:07] <Kremator> and you didnt use that gnome-shell to call firefox/chromium right?
[22:08] <TomyLobo> ah video in a browser... hardware-accelerated or not?
[22:08] <Stabington> Should be HW accelerated
[22:08] <TomyLobo> odd... i wouldnt expect the window manager to be involved in that much in that case
[22:11] <Avion> hi where do i paste a screenshot image to use to ask a question?
[22:11] <Kremator> Avion, imgur?
[22:12] <onio>  I am having problem starting eclipse can anyone here please help. See output of log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J5GFXYZRmx/
[22:12] <TomyLobo> first google suggestion for "gnome-shell" is "gnome-shell high cpu" :D
[22:13] <TomyLobo> Stabington, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1773959 your bug
[22:18] <Avion> Krenair: i am on an android phone and the imgur app ruinsy experience of viewing a particular image page by insettinhnits recommendayltions into my life. I had to remove it. I had a minimal Imgir Android but it no longer works on newer Android. So I was hoping for a pastebin link. i tried searching and got non relevant sites, changing terms to get ubuntu pastbin the "type of file" didnt include jpg.  (proving I did some work on this be
[22:19] <Avion> To anyone kremator left  ^^°
[22:20] <Stabington> interesting. Checking "disable desktop effects" in Lutris when launching a game causes CPU usage to drop significantly
[22:20]  * eelstrebor guesses he'll have to spend a LOT of time figuring out what all these messages are that appear in the syslog so that he's not inundated with a kazillion messages from logcheck
[22:21] <nacc> Avion: pastebin is for text generally not images.
[22:21] <Avion> i am failing for over a week to install ubuntu dual boot on a win10 machine.  i have a screenshot of a bios screen where I want to ask what to do. there are various choices re secure boot and various screens to change UEFI. The helpful websites dont address these things.
[22:21] <nacc> Stabington: i mean, that makes sense.
[22:22] <Avion> nacc yes that is why there was an image pastebin
[22:22] <nacc> Avion: just take a photo and upload to imgur? why do you need an app?
[22:22] <Avion> nacc i will finf a way. better to ask my real question, how to dual boot
[22:22] <Avion> nacc i am on a phone.
[22:23] <qwefytuoityty> btrfs fstab compress= for 100% hdd need only for / or and /home, /boot. / btrfs compress= ,defaults,subvol=@ 0 1
[22:23] <nacc> qwefytuoityty: wow, that wasn't even close to being a parseable question.
[22:23] <Avion> nacc i will look again. i could have missed aomething
[22:23] <nacc> Avion: i imagine you could worst case open the 'desktop version' of the page, and upload it like usual, even from your phone's browser
[22:24] <Avion> i will try nacc wiyh the desktop version of imgur
[22:25] <Stabington> Can I disable compositing effects in gnome-shell to make it less... fancy?
[22:26] <Avion> nacc got it. https://imgur.com/a/xqv1w2h
[22:26] <Avion> thanks
[22:27] <nacc> Avion: that appears to be about secure boot. Do you want it on or not?
[22:27]  * Avion could havr haf a v8. Would anyone like to lead me on how to dual boot ubuntu with windows 10 on an HP laptop
[22:28] <Avion> i want it off nacc so the webpages say.
[22:28] <nacc> Stabington: maybe something in gnome tweaks?
[22:29] <Avion> bit they dont mention legacy boot (will search re that again nacc)
[22:29] <nacc> Avion: ok, so you're asking about the 1st or 3rd option?
[22:29] <help_ubuntu> Hey there, I just upgraded to the new LTS version (18.04), but after restarting it doesn't boot again. I get a flashing warning 'failed to connect to lvmetad. falling back to device scanning volume group ubuntu-vg not found
[22:30] <nacc> Avion: my intuition would be to enable legacy support, but you'd need to refer to hp as to what setting configures
[22:30] <help_ubuntu> I googled a bit and found threads with similar warning, but haven't found solution
[22:30] <help_ubuntu> I really have to use my laptop tomorrow : (
[22:30] <help_ubuntu> I tried starting with another kernel, but doesn't work either
[22:31] <Stabington> Can't find any compositing options. Maybe gnome-shell is just shit?
[22:31] <nacc> Stabington: dunno, are you seeing actual issues, or just not liking that it is taking cpu?
[22:32] <Stabington> Naw dude, the desktop is freezing and lagging & shit
[22:32] <qwefytuoityty> 1 or 2 ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r3QkvBzvxK/
[22:32] <nacc> Stabington: please watch your language in the channel. Ok, that seems like a totally different problem than just gnome-shell taking cpu (imo)
[22:33] <Stabington> It's only an issue when I'm running a game in one window while watching a video on the other
[22:33] <help_ubuntu> can somebody help me please?
[22:33] <nacc> help_ubuntu: hrm, it might be related to this bug: LP: #1768230. HOw are you noticing that the system doesn't boot?
[22:33] <help_ubuntu> yeah I found that as well, but no solution :(
[22:34] <help_ubuntu> nacc: it just keeps flashing that warning, the only thing that happens
[22:34] <help_ubuntu> I can go to the root terminal though, but can't access my personal data
[22:34] <nacc> help_ubuntu: can you try booting in recovery mode, or edit the grub menu and remove the entries for 'quiet splash' ?
[22:35] <nacc> help_ubuntu: that message does not necessarily indicate what the actual problem is
[22:36] <help_ubuntu> ok, so I'm now in grub menu I think, I will choose the new kernel (4.15.0.34-generic) in recovery mode
[22:36] <help_ubuntu> I know have to unlock sda3_crypt
[22:38] <help_ubuntu> nacc: so I get same warning in terminal screen now (failed to connect to lvmetad..)
[22:38] <help_ubuntu> nacc: now I'm in recovery menu
[22:38] <nacc> help_ubuntu: ok, for some people, they are able to boot successfully from there, which you could try (worst case, reboot it again)
[22:38] <nacc> help_ubuntu: i think you just exit the shell to boot normally
[22:38] <help_ubuntu> nacc: so just click 'resume' ?
[22:38] <nacc> or that, yeah :)
[22:39] <nacc> i haven't used recovery in a while, sorry
[22:39] <help_ubuntu> nacc: just goes back to recovery menu
[22:40] <nacc> help_ubuntu: i'm sorry, if you hit enter on 'resume', it just goes back to the same menu?
[22:40] <help_ubuntu> yeah, but now I did it again and it's flashing some terminal screen
[22:40] <help_ubuntu> can't do anything atm
[22:41] <help_ubuntu> I should probably force shut my laptop
[22:41] <help_ubuntu> or should I wait?
[22:41] <nacc> help_ubuntu: what does the flashing say?
[22:42] <nacc> help_ubuntu: it's hard to debug things this way :)
[22:42] <help_ubuntu> well yeah, it flashes too fast so I can't read it, will try to take pic at right moment
[22:43] <nacc> help_ubuntu: ok ... how long did you leave your normal boot for?
[22:43] <help_ubuntu> few minutes
[22:43] <nacc> help_ubuntu: if you can go to a 'root terminal' (I htink you mean ctrl+alt+f1 ?)
[22:43] <nacc> help_ubuntu: then your system isn't frozen and it's possibly not done booting, you might need to give it longer
[22:46] <help_ubuntu> nacc: https://i.imgur.com/DxP9ki0.jpg
[22:47] <help_ubuntu> it's what's flashing
[22:47] <help_ubuntu> doesn't change
[22:47] <help_ubuntu> same screen always
[22:47] <nacc> help_ubuntu: oh ok, it actually got quite far in the boot then
[22:48] <nacc> help_ubuntu: if you cycle through the ctrl+alt+f<1...8> tty's, do any of them show a graphical display?
[22:48] <help_ubuntu> right now?
[22:48] <nacc> yeah
[22:49] <help_ubuntu> no, nothing happens
[22:50] <help_ubuntu> so now it's 10 minutes, should I still wait? or force kill laptop?
[22:50] <nacc> help_ubuntu: hrm, i really don't know. the other thing you can try and do is boot to recovery and pick 'root' (to drop to a shell) and try to debug from there
[22:50] <nacc> help_ubuntu: e.g., seeing if your disks are present, etc.
[22:51] <nacc> help_ubuntu: you probably don't need to keep waiting
[22:51] <nacc> help_ubuntu: canyou see if it responds to alt+sysrq+reiusb ?
[22:53] <help_ubuntu> nacc: when should I try that? I'm now back in grub menu
[22:54] <nacc> help_ubuntu: oh that was as opposed to the force kill of your laptop
[22:56] <help_ubuntu> nacc: so now I'm in the root terminal, what should I do here?
[22:56] <nacc> help_ubuntu: check `dmesg` for errors
[22:56] <nacc> help_ubuntu: otherwise, you can see if you can mount your disks, etc.
[22:57] <nacc> help_ubuntu: sorry, i need to step away
[22:57] <nacc> help_ubuntu: someone else hopefully can help out
[22:57] <help_ubuntu> : (
[22:57] <nacc> help_ubuntu: worst-case boot into a 18.04 live usb and you can get to your disk from there
[22:57] <help_ubuntu> nacc: one quick question, how can I see my private files
[22:57] <help_ubuntu> my home file is encrypted
[22:57] <nacc> help_ubuntu: what do you mean by private files?
[22:58] <help_ubuntu> it says run ecryptfs-mount-private
[22:58] <help_ubuntu> but I get encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[22:58] <help_ubuntu> nacc: my home directory
[22:59] <help_ubuntu> I have the codes, that's not the issue
[22:59] <nacc> https://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/ ?
[22:59] <nacc> help_ubuntu: i really don't know, though
[23:00] <help_ubuntu> damn why did I upgrade..
[23:01] <help_ubuntu> Somebody else willing to help me?
[23:01] <granttrec> help_ubuntu: whats up
[23:02] <help_ubuntu> I just upgraded to the new LTS version (18.04), but after restarting it doesn't boot again. I get a flashing warning 'failed to connect to lvmetad. falling back to device scanning volume group ubuntu-vg not found
[23:02] <help_ubuntu> and I really need this laptop tomorrow : (
[23:03] <help_ubuntu> granttrec:
[23:04] <granttrec> help_ubuntu: I guess you clicked ok at the upgrade prompt? how did you upgrade?
[23:05] <help_ubuntu> granttrec: do-release-upgrade in terminal
[23:07] <granttrec> help_ubuntu: can you boot a live cd/usb?
[23:07] <help_ubuntu> don't have any usb here
[23:10] <granttrec> help_ubuntu: sadly I can only recommend power cycling at this point tbh, i've seen that message before but it went away by itself
[23:11] <help_ubuntu> already did that multiple times now : ( granttrec
[23:17] <granttrec> help_ubuntu: well u can pray :), try to get a usb if you can tho
[23:17] <help_ubuntu> :(
[23:21] <help_ubuntu> can somebody else help me please?
[23:29] <help_ubuntu> Is there another ubuntu support channel?
[23:32] <igoryonya> a
[23:43] <igoryonya> Hello I've tried to install Unity on Ubuntu 18.04, but it warns me, that upstart will be removed. That's strange, because 16.04 was using upstart and it had Unity. How to install Unity on 18.04 without removing upstart
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