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| mborzecki | morning | 05:16 |
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| zyga | good morning | 05:53 |
| zyga | o/ mvo | 06:12 |
| zyga | how are you feeling? | 06:12 |
| mvo | zyga: good morning! much better, thank you | 06:13 |
| mborzecki | zyga: mvo: hey | 06:16 |
| zyga | hmm | 06:19 |
| zyga | on cosmic snaps seem to be broken? | 06:19 |
| zyga | zyga@fyke:~$ canonical-livepatch | 06:19 |
| zyga | 2018/09/25 08:19:08 error executing : open /var/snap/canonical-livepatch/42/livepatchd.err: permission denied | 06:19 |
| mvo | mborzecki: hey | 06:20 |
| mvo | zyga: all snaps? | 06:20 |
| zyga | ah, no it's just. a bug in canonical-livepatch | 06:20 |
| mvo | zyga: this sounds like its time for 18.10 in CI now that we are in beta freeze | 06:20 |
| mvo | zyga: aha, just c-l ok | 06:20 |
| zyga | canonical-livepatch uses wrong permission for status file https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/asnxhatD/ | 06:20 |
| * zyga wonders where to report bug on canonical-livepatch | 06:23 | |
| zyga | ok, bug reported | 06:26 |
| mup | PR snapd#5858 opened: Skip unsupported architectures for fedora-base-smoke test <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5858> | 06:27 |
| zyga | mvo: review on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5845 | 06:35 |
| mup | PR #5845: interface: add new dotfiles interface <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5845> | 06:35 |
| zyga | brb, too cold, need more clothing | 06:37 |
| zyga | re | 06:44 |
| mvo | zyga: cool, thank you, I have a look | 06:51 |
| === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski | ||
| pstolowski | mornings | 07:03 |
| mborzecki | pstolowski: heya | 07:07 |
| mup | PR snapd#5832 closed: [RFC] overlord/{snapstate,assertstate}: parallel instances and refresh validation <Parallel installs> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5832> | 07:08 |
| zyga | hey pawel | 07:11 |
| kyrofa | zyga, those chilly mornings are the best | 07:20 |
| zyga | kyrofa: best to get ill? :-) | 07:20 |
| zyga | or are you serious | 07:20 |
| zyga | my hands are freezing | 07:20 |
| kyrofa | Hahaha, I'm serious, I love it when it's cold and I need to bundle up all cozy | 07:20 |
| zyga | kyrofa: do you type with your gloves on or do you just have warm hands anyway? | 07:20 |
| zyga | kyrofa: it's not freezing yet | 07:21 |
| zyga | it just feels like proper autumn already | 07:21 |
| kyrofa | zyga, yeah not gonna lie, it's probably 60-something here and I'm working outside | 07:21 |
| kyrofa | So not the same situation :P | 07:21 |
| pstolowski | kyrofa: hey! how is the place? | 07:21 |
| zyga | 6C in the morning (42F) | 07:21 |
| zyga | kyrofa: tonight we will have 3C | 07:22 |
| pstolowski | kyrofa: also, unusual to see you online that early ;) | 07:22 |
| kyrofa | pstolowski, man, I couldn't ask for better. It's so quiet, and I have this courtyard to myself | 07:22 |
| kyrofa | pstolowski, haha, yeah I'm not used to you guys being around either! | 07:22 |
| zyga | kyrofa: beware of the squirrels ;) | 07:22 |
| zyga | mborzecki: partial review on 5857 | 07:22 |
| zyga | I'll make warm tea and be back for more | 07:23 |
| kyrofa | zyga, there are some massive bees here, that's about all I've noticed so far | 07:23 |
| zyga | kyrofa: bees or wasps? | 07:23 |
| mborzecki | zyga: thanks | 07:23 |
| zyga | kyrofa: as in, do you get genuinely larger bees? | 07:23 |
| zyga | kyrofa: or is "bee" a word for anything bee-like | 07:23 |
| * zyga loves bees | 07:23 | |
| kyrofa | I'd say they are bees, but they may completely different. They're like half the size of my fist, and black | 07:24 |
| kyrofa | But they're fat like a bee | 07:24 |
| zyga | kyrofa: did I tell you I want to have bee hives? | 07:24 |
| zyga | !!!! | 07:24 |
| zyga | that's some bee :D | 07:24 |
| kyrofa | I'm too busy flailing them away from me to look very closely | 07:24 |
| mborzecki | bumblebees? | 07:24 |
| zyga | if you can snatch a photo I would love to see those | 07:24 |
| kyrofa | mborzecki, it's a little bigger than that, and black | 07:24 |
| kyrofa | zyga, haha, I'll try, they tend to come out when it gets warmer | 07:25 |
| kyrofa | zyga, actually I've always been curious about bee hives as well. Do you have room for them? | 07:25 |
| pstolowski | kyrofa: i envy you! | 07:26 |
| zyga | kyrofa: no, but I would like to buy some land | 07:26 |
| zyga | kyrofa: and get properly trained to handle bees | 07:26 |
| zyga | kyrofa: my dad and granddad had honeybees :) | 07:26 |
| zyga | kyrofa: supposedly the best moment to start learning about them is early summer, the season ends in august and then pretty much nothing happens | 07:27 |
| zyga | kyrofa: I subscribed to a periodical about bees; so far I know very little though | 07:28 |
| mup | PR snapd#5858 closed: Skip unsupported architectures for fedora-base-smoke test <Simple> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5858> | 07:34 |
| mvo | zyga: thanks for your review on the dotfiles interface - the missing check for "." is intentional - I was thinking we could use this for non dotfiles as well at least potentially. if something neeeds access to a specific non-dotfile in home we could use the interfaces to give it without giving the full home away | 07:36 |
| zyga | hmmm, I would give the interface a different name then | 07:37 |
| zyga | like file-access or folder-access? | 07:37 |
| zyga | or user-data-access | 07:37 |
| zyga | actually | 07:39 |
| zyga | eyah | 07:39 |
| zyga | user data access feels like the right name | 07:40 |
| zyga | but I'll defer to the naming overlords ;-) | 07:40 |
| mvo | zyga: my thinking exactly :) | 07:52 |
| * mborzecki wonders what happens if one has networkd and NM managing different interfaces and competing for the default route | 08:14 | |
| mvo | mborzecki: good question, when NM is in charge it will setup the default routes just with different metrics | 08:17 |
| mborzecki | mvo: yeah, would you need to manually tweak those or are the deafults non conflicting? i see the default route is using 600 here, but no clue whether that's dhcpclient's or nm's doing | 08:19 |
| mvo | mborzecki: I have 100 for eth and 600 for wlan but my two interfaces are both managed via NM :/ | 08:20 |
| mborzecki | iirc a default 1000 if you add it by hand right? | 08:20 |
| mvo | mborzecki: just tried with "route" and got metric:0 | 08:21 |
| mborzecki | hmm | 08:21 |
| mborzecki | well, i guess if one has a device which uses both netword and NM you craft the setup carefully enough so that it does what your requirements say | 08:22 |
| Chipaca | mvo: mborzecki: should I mention classic devices? | 08:27 |
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| mvo | zyga: quick brainstorm: should the dotfiles interface infere if its a file or dir from the trailing "/" ? i.e. .foo is a file and .foo/ is a dir? or too magic? | 08:56 |
| mvo | zyga: this way I can get rid of the files/dirs attr and just use paths or something | 08:57 |
| zyga | mvo: I strongly think this is too magic | 09:03 |
| mvo | zyga: ok | 09:03 |
| zyga | So either allow both or make it explicit | 09:03 |
| mvo | zyga: in this case the validation needs to reject "foo/" for files | 09:03 |
| mvo | zyga: but allow "foo/" for dirs | 09:03 |
| zyga | Yes | 09:03 |
| zyga | Well | 09:03 |
| zyga | You kind of do clean on it already | 09:03 |
| zyga | So either allow trailing / on dirs | 09:04 |
| mvo | zyga: I do but you pointed out it might be confusing to disallow "foo/" on a dir | 09:04 |
| zyga | Or always reject it and add it internally like you do now | 09:04 |
| zyga | Right | 09:04 |
| zyga | Because the reason for that is unclear IMO | 09:05 |
| mvo | zyga: I will look into it but my gut feeling is to reject it because the alternative is more code | 09:05 |
| zyga | We routinely refer to directories with / | 09:05 |
| zyga | Ok | 09:05 |
| zyga | As long as it is documented | 09:05 |
| zyga | Files and directories explicitly have | 09:05 |
| zyga | one more advantage | 09:05 |
| zyga | If somebody uses a symlink it is not going to work | 09:06 |
| zyga | But perhaps rightfully so | 09:06 |
| mvo | zyga: yeah, I think thats ok, symlinks & apparmor are tricky | 09:06 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#2291 opened: meta: put environment into runner instead of app wrapper <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2291> | 09:18 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#2292 opened: sources: properly handle pull failures <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2292> | 10:22 |
| mup | PR snapd#5825 closed: tests: add snap install hook with base: core18 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5825> | 10:41 |
| mvo | niemeyer: when you have a moment, a high level review of 5717 would be great. I reworked it based on your input and it will auto-retry to get out of degraded mode now | 10:42 |
| mvo | niemeyer: this will unblock two more PRs :) | 10:42 |
| niemeyer | mvo: Heya, looking | 10:43 |
| mvo | niemeyer: also 5583 (without snaps stop and wait for socket) would be great but that might be more work :/ | 10:43 |
| mvo | niemeyer: (but I also addressed your input there) | 10:43 |
| mvo | niemeyer: thanks! | 10:43 |
| zyga | brb | 11:00 |
| niemeyer | mvo: Sent a couple of notes on the first one | 11:00 |
| niemeyer | mvo: Second one reviewed | 11:14 |
| niemeyer | mvo, zyga, everyone: I'm taking the afternoon off today to recharge batteries a bit | 11:17 |
| Chipaca | niemeyer: I was just thinking of doing the same | 11:19 |
| Chipaca | finding it hard(er) to concentrate | 11:20 |
| zyga | niemeyer: yeah, I needed that yesterday | 11:20 |
| zyga | niemeyer: enjoy the remains of autumn :) | 11:20 |
| mup | PR snapd#5859 opened: many: introduce facts, export experimental features as facts <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5859> | 11:27 |
| ogra | ppisati, poke ... | 11:46 |
| Chipaca | mborzecki: yesterday I saw code of yours where you took a string like "a:b::c:d" and return []string{"a", "b", "c", "d"}; where was that? | 11:46 |
| ppisati | ogra: poke back | 11:47 |
| ogra | ppisati, would you be able to include the bvc4 libs in the pi2-kernel initrd ? | 11:47 |
| ogra | *vc4 | 11:47 |
| mborzecki | Chipaca: #5857? | 11:47 |
| mup | PR #5857: userd: extend the list of supported XDG Desktop properties when autostarting user applications <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5857> | 11:47 |
| ogra | ppisati, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v4qCGjTNrz/ would be the list | 11:47 |
| ogra | ppisati, that makes psplash work even with the vc4-kms-v3d overlay (else it only work with vc4-fkms-v3d, but that is completely unaccelerated) | 11:49 |
| ogra | when using vc4-kms-v3d /dev/fb0 is only created by the vc4 module ... while vc4-fkms-v3d gives you a kernel /dev/fb0 but without any acceleration | 11:50 |
| ogra | so to have fb0 in the initrd i'd need the modules available there (and i doubt we should compile vc4 into the kernel since many headless use casess wont want it) | 11:51 |
| ppisati | ogra: xenial or bionic? i guess both | 11:51 |
| ogra | ppisati, yeah., likely both, i have only worked with xeinal yet though | 11:52 |
| ppisati | ogra: if you open me an LP with the list of modules to include, i'll start working on it | 11:52 |
| ogra | \o/ | 11:52 |
| * ogra hugs ppisati | 11:52 | |
| ogra | ppisati, hmm, LP just against linux-raspi2 ? (since i want it in the snap)# | 11:53 |
| ppisati | ogra: yep | 11:53 |
| ogra | on it | 11:53 |
| mborzecki | Chipaca: thanks for the tip | 11:58 |
| ogra | ppisati, Bug #1794279 | 11:59 |
| mup | Bug #1794279: please include vc4 modules in pi2-kernel snap initrd <linux-raspi2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1794279> | 11:59 |
| Chipaca | mborzecki: note you can get megabytes into the environment before it starts to fall apart | 12:01 |
| Chipaca | I seem to recall that 8MB in an env block was enough for execve to fail, but that might be old (32 bits?), i haven't tested the limits in this way in ages | 12:01 |
| Chipaca | you can easily creae an env var that'll make bash crawl: FOO=$(yes) | 12:02 |
| zyga | some of those used to be limited to ~~~ 32KB but that was long ago | 12:02 |
| Chipaca | (killall yes when you get bored; then 'echo "$FOO"' to be more bored | 12:02 |
| zyga | AFAIK there's no limit now | 12:02 |
| Chipaca | zyga: xargs --show-limits thinks still thinks there is a limit | 12:03 |
| Chipaca | ~2MB? | 12:03 |
| Chipaca | but that's mostly for execve (which applies in this case, but the other is fun) | 12:03 |
| ppisati | ogra: ack | 12:07 |
| mborzecki | zyga: i wonder, when doing mount mappings for parallel installs under /var/snap/<snap>, would people expect this to have shared propagation | 12:08 |
| Chipaca | mborzecki: note also there's bytes.FieldsFunc which would save you the conversion (but then you want a []string, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 12:09 |
| Chipaca | ) | 12:09 |
| * Chipaca ~> lunch, and then probably nothing but probably guitar playing and maybe minecraft with the boys and dog walking and some more guitar and early bed | 12:09 | |
| zyga | mborzecki: shared propagation is actually established as a default by snapd, we only get slave propagation though, right (because snap-confine) | 12:09 |
| Chipaca | but, hey, maybe some irc too. ttfn. | 12:09 |
| zyga | mborzecki: btw, I found a bug in propagation setting, something I need to investigate and fix ASAP | 12:09 |
| zyga | mborzecki: I have a test that shows htis | 12:09 |
| zyga | *this | 12:09 |
| zyga | mborzecki: we can sync after standup | 12:10 |
| mborzecki | zyga: i've extended fuse-support spread test a bit and obviously the mount point is only under the mapped hierarchy, now we've said (have we?) that _foo will be mapped under snap name, but i guess we did not promise anything about propagating mounts | 12:11 |
| zyga | yeah | 12:11 |
| zyga | I think that is the same bug | 12:11 |
| mborzecki | ok, let's talk after standup | 12:12 |
| zyga | mborzecki: https://github.com/zyga/broken-layout-migration | 12:19 |
| zyga | mborzecki: that shows this and one more issue found last week | 12:20 |
| mup | PR snapd#5860 opened: interfaces/houtplug: helpers and struct updates <Hotplug> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5860> | 12:37 |
| sil2100 | mvo: hey! Today I quickly sat down to finally see what's up with my raspi3 when running core18 on it, since I wasn't able to reproduce your original problem (the one with the invalid netplan config) | 12:55 |
| sil2100 | mvo: I wasn't able to reproduce it as console-conf was segfaulting | 12:55 |
| sil2100 | mvo: I did some debugging and ugh, it's segfaulting on probert when trying to probe for wifi | 12:55 |
| sil2100 | With the wifi module unloaded console-conf and probert all work fine | 12:55 |
| sil2100 | mvo: so apparently my raspi3 is suffering from probably the same (or very similar) issue as the dragonboard | 12:55 |
| sil2100 | mvo: so generally I'll poke mwhudson that probert seems to segfault on two different boards, I guess on two different architectures as well | 12:57 |
| mvo | sil2100: yeah, that sounds a lot like the segfault we had on the dragon | 12:57 |
| mvo | sil2100: did you push a debug build of probert into the image ppa? | 12:58 |
| mborzecki | zyga: pstolowski: standup? | 13:01 |
| joelkraehemann | hi all | 13:11 |
| joelkraehemann | https://snapcraft.io/nongnu-gsequencer/listing | 13:11 |
| joelkraehemann | ^^ please, do the review. | 13:11 |
| ogra | mvo, sil2100, note that we had the same issue with core16, caused by netplan (not probert) forcefully un/reloading the wlan drivers when probing | 13:14 |
| ogra | mvo, sil2100 there was a blacklist in netplan to avoid unloading most sdio based wlan drivers due to exactly that reason ... perhaps thats gone in 18.04 ? | 13:15 |
| mborzecki | zyga: snappy-devel? | 13:21 |
| zyga | mborzecki: actually, can we postpone for a sec, I need to see the stuff that my daughter asked about | 13:22 |
| mborzecki | zyga: ok | 13:22 |
| sil2100 | ogra: oh! Good to know! I'll investigate that after lunch | 13:29 |
| ogra | sil2100, here is an example bug (there were three or four like this) https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1741910 | 13:30 |
| mup | Bug #1741910: ath6kl_sdio does not support unbinding <verification-done-xenial> <netplan:Fix Released by cyphermox> <nplan (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <nplan (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741910> | 13:30 |
| ogra | that black/whitelist was extremely ugly, i can imagine that cyphermox tried to replace it with some more intelligent code (which has perhaps bugs) | 13:31 |
| zyga | mvo: no c18 meeting? | 14:05 |
| mvo | zyga: we can have one if you want | 14:07 |
| mvo | zyga: but I think its fine to skip given that gustavo and samuele are not around | 14:07 |
| zyga | yeah | 14:07 |
| zyga | let's skip | 14:07 |
| mborzecki | 2018-09-25 13:32:01 Cannot allocate google:arch-linux-64: cannot allocate new Google server google:arch-linux-64 (sep251328-278432): cannot find ready marker in console output for google:arch-linux-64 (sep251328-278432) | 14:13 |
| mborzecki | cachio: have you seen something like this ^^ | 14:13 |
| cachio | mborzecki, when did you get that? | 14:15 |
| cachio | 45 minutes ago? | 14:15 |
| mborzecki | cachio: yes | 14:15 |
| cachio | could you please try again? | 14:15 |
| mborzecki | ok | 14:15 |
| cachio | otherwise I'll revert last image which I manually updated today | 14:15 |
| cachio | mborzecki, seems to be failling in many branches | 14:32 |
| cachio | I'll revert it | 14:32 |
| mborzecki | ok | 14:36 |
| mborzecki | cachio: can you debug what's wrong with the image? | 14:37 |
| cachio | mborzecki, yes | 14:37 |
| cachio | I'm on that | 14:37 |
| cachio | this is already deprecated | 14:38 |
| cachio | so arch should be up again | 14:38 |
| cachio | mborzecki, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XD87JBKzxs/ | 14:44 |
| cachio | have you seen that? | 14:44 |
| cachio | zyga, ~ | 14:45 |
| zyga | nope | 14:45 |
| sil2100 | ogra: I doubt that's it as it's segfaulting earlier, but who knows - thanks for the context o/ | 14:56 |
| ogra | sil2100, good luck anyway :) | 15:01 |
| diddledan | random thought for the day: make snaps able to tell APT/DPKG that they "supply" the same as a debian package - the specific example I came across that would benefit me personally, a deb package depends on docker-ce deb package but I had the docker snap installed so it refused to install this other package because it thought I didn't already have docker-ce | 15:11 |
| diddledan | obviously that only benefits debian-based distributions so we'd need an abstraction to allow the same function on rpm or other distros | 15:12 |
| mup | PR snapd#5811 closed: tests: add test that runs snapctl with a core18 snap <Created by mvo5> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5811> | 15:13 |
| * zyga returns for evening work | 16:18 | |
| halfbit | hi, so it seems like all of the snappy desktop applications on my system tend to hang/crash | 16:32 |
| halfbit | like I get a window for libreoffice, but nothing is drawn in it, I can't close it, and I can't start a new one | 16:32 |
| halfbit | same thing with the spotify snap | 16:32 |
| zyga | halfbit: hello, that's unfortunate, sorry about that - can you tell me more about your system (output of "snap version" helps) | 16:33 |
| halfbit | this is on a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04 | 16:33 |
| halfbit | tburdick@jupiter ~ snap version ✔ 8627 11:31:33 | 16:33 |
| halfbit | snap 2.35 | 16:33 |
| halfbit | snapd 2.35 | 16:33 |
| halfbit | series 16 | 16:33 |
| halfbit | ubuntu 18.04 | 16:33 |
| halfbit | kernel 4.15.0-34-generic | 16:33 |
| zyga | what does snap changes say? | 16:34 |
| zyga | "snap changes" | 16:35 |
| halfbit | error: no changes found | 16:37 |
| zyga | hmm, ok | 16:37 |
| zyga | what happens when you run "snap run spotify" from command line? | 16:37 |
| halfbit | I re-installed spotify with the deb which works perfectly, let me try with libreoffice | 16:38 |
| zyga | ok | 16:38 |
| halfbit | ok now I'm confused | 16:40 |
| halfbit | yeah its just working now | 16:41 |
| halfbit | of course | 16:41 |
| halfbit | infuriating | 16:41 |
| zyga | perhaps it was the one-time setup that some apps are doing? | 16:41 |
| halfbit | I have no idea | 16:41 |
| halfbit | but its beyond frustrating to go from a working system to something where I'm mucking around with this :( | 16:42 |
| zyga | if you want you can "snap install spotify" and see if that starts | 16:42 |
| halfbit | yeah it started spotify and its working | 16:43 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#2292 closed: sources: properly handle pull failures <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2292> | 16:43 |
| halfbit | well I guess its good for now | 16:44 |
| halfbit | I'll be back if it stops working again | 16:44 |
| zyga | good luck | 16:44 |
| mup | PR snapd#5717 closed: snapd: go into degraded mode when the selftest fails <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5717> | 17:46 |
| diddledan | https://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagen | 19:16 |
| === epod is now known as luk3yx | ||
| === epod is now known as luk3yx | ||
| * ogra hopes thats not a diesel | 19:32 | |
| diddledan | :-) that repo is full of win | 19:33 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#2293 opened: build providers: use the new snapcraft: remote for multipass <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2293> | 20:23 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#2294 opened: snap: workaround the dirty tree <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2294> | 20:38 |
| mup | PR snapd#5861 opened: cmd/libsnap: add functions for handling facts <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5861> | 20:40 |
| mup | PR snapd#5862 opened: cmd: fix C formatting <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5862> | 20:40 |
| mup | PR snapcraft#2295 opened: tests: use SNAPCRAFT_PACKAGE_TYPE everywhere <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2295> | 21:50 |
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