[04:58] morning [04:58] Good morning [04:59] Cold night [05:06] zyga: yeah, and hoar frost everywhere :/ [05:55] hm guess the store is offline atm [05:55] hope it's not as bad as it sounds [05:56] mborzecki: yeah, the store is offline right now, and we're working to get it back online [05:56] as always, status.snapcraft.io [05:58] sparkiegeek: yeah, read the note about hardware failure, ouch [06:29] good luck sparkiegeek [06:30] zyga: thanks! [06:33] mborzecki: I sent some patches about facts API yesterday [06:34] zyga: ack, i'm looking at libsnap-confine-private parts PR [06:34] thanks! [06:56] hey mvo [07:00] zyga: hey, good morning [07:06] morning! [07:12] pstolowski: mvo: hey [07:14] hey pstolowski and mborzecki [07:26] silly question, but how do you revert a revert? [07:28] mborzecki: refresh? [07:29] pstolowski: that would poke the store which is currently down :) [07:30] mborzecki: we're now stumbling back to life; trying to fend off the advances from all the snapds in the world :) [07:52] * zyga does reviews [07:52] mborzecki: you can refresh to a revision you have [07:52] I think that is even offline [07:53] pstolowski: doing hot plug helpers now [07:54] zyga: awesome, thanks! [08:05] Dang, store is dooown [08:12] uh indeed [08:18] Store read operations are on their way back up [08:18] PR snapcraft#2296 opened: part grammar processor: lazily capture attributes from plugin [08:18] Just will be sluggish for a while as all the snapds retry. [08:18] Write operations are a while off yet [08:19] wgrant, that's alright, read ops will get my tests passing again [08:19] wgrant, sounds like you had a fun night [08:19] Er. Day. Never can tell with you [08:19] :P [08:19] For once something actually went wrong during my day [08:19] I think it's the first time I've ever woken someone up rather than being woken up [08:19] Oh how lovely that must have been! [08:20] * sparkiegeek is now a full pot of tea in to his woken-from-slumber [08:20] kyrofa: woah, you're up early [08:20] zyga, I'm in spain for a week [08:20] .... [08:20] zyga.eyesfulloftears [08:21] have fun :) [08:21] in BCN? [08:22] zyga, a bit outside of madrid, a village called manzanares el real. I think I may come back next year with the family for a few months. I love this place [08:22] zyga, roscon is in madrid this weekend, so it didn't make sense for me to fly over the atlantic multiple times [08:23] woah, even smaller than the town I was in [08:23] lovely :) [08:23] zyga, yeah I was specifically looking for that [08:23] specifically looking to find where zyga was? [08:23] zyga: I think you might have a stalker [08:23] Yes. Don't be jealous [08:23] that's all right, I love kyrofa :) [08:23] Yeah, see? [08:23] Back at you zyga [08:24] No I just wanted to experience small town spain, grocery shopping, actually living here for a little while. It's been lovely [08:24] kyrofa: careful [08:25] the next thing you say is "oh my god, how many years has it been already?" - except you say that in Spanish to your little Spanish speaking kids :D [08:25] (but then it's all right because it's the best place to live) [08:25] Hahahaha [08:26] zyga, yeah if we come here for-- I dunno, three months-- maybe my spanish will flourish [08:26] kyrofa: when I stayed for 6 years I was only planning on ... max ... 6 months [08:26] Ha! [08:26] zyga, explain something to me though, I feel rude asking anyone here [08:27] Let me upload a picture first to help my question [08:28] ruh-roh [08:28] haha :-) [08:28] right? [08:30] PR snapcraft#2297 opened: [legacy] part grammar processor: lazily capture attributes from plugin [08:31] zyga, alright, got it. This town is small, quiet, and seemingly perfectly safe. Kids out on the street, etc. However, I swear every property resembles this one: https://pasteboard.co/HFEc6pt.jpg [08:31] hmmm [08:31] as in $$$ or as in fort knox? [08:31] Everyone's yard is behind a serious wall with a gate [08:32] not sure if that's the same reason [08:32] Nah, not all the properties look quite as nice [08:32] on costa brava there were lots of multi-million apartments and houses [08:32] for rich sport stars, actors and business men [08:32] typically behind a tall fence [08:32] so maybe that's that [08:32] just real madrid [08:33] but I don't know for sure [08:33] just ask though [08:33] I'm sure all the locals know [08:33] ask in a grocery store [08:33] I dunno, I need to take a pic of the neighborhood I'm in. It really just feels architectural, but there must be some interesting history behind it [08:33] kyrofa: one thing to note is that Spain forgot how to make houses [08:34] kyrofa: during franco, everything was apartments [08:34] kyrofa: do you speak Spanish? [08:34] * zyga realised his earlier question about $$$ _or_ Fort Knox was a bit silly [08:34] zyga, I speak enough spanish to explain that I don't speak it [08:34] haha [08:34] well, I hope you do better than I did [08:34] yeah, I'd really just ask [08:34] then translate the answer back [08:35] (tip: kids help) [08:38] hmm, new Vmware ! [08:39] shiny goodies [08:42] zyga: looking forward to a deal/sale (black friday maybe), let me know if you spot any [08:42] sergiusens: hey, but snapcraft changed the default pwd when at build stage? [08:42] pstolowski: yeah, same here [08:42] workstation 15 feels like the bigger win now [08:42] highdpi fixes and what not [08:43] fusion 11 is just "keep on rolling" from what it seems [08:43] but I haven't played with either [08:43] pstolowski: I _barely_ missed the free month update :/ [08:43] I got workstation 14 recently [08:43] er [08:43] zyga: ouch... [08:43] not barely missed but barely got :/ [08:43] (ie. no update) [08:43] very solid product still [08:45] pstolowski: typically Vmware desktop products are 25-30% off nearly all year [08:45] with peak around Black Friday [08:45] Store read APIs should be stable now [08:46] thank you wgrant! must have been a busy morning [08:46] pstolowski: so my best advice is to just wait [08:46] Trevinho, what do you mean? [08:47] zyga: yep. the standard price doesn't justify moving away from virtualbox for me, to steep [08:47] *too [08:47] pstolowski: yeah, that's understandable [08:47] pstolowski: once you buy it once you can refresh it every few releases [08:48] you can get the lower cost update to 15 from all the way back to 12 [08:50] pstolowski: you can also buy it without VAT [08:50] so that's a nice change [08:53] zyga: do you remember the kernel selftest? we have a bit of a challenge to make it work with our testsuite [08:53] yes [08:53] oh? tell me more please [08:53] zyga: when enabling snapd will go into read-only mode on trusty [08:53] zyga: until we reboot [08:53] mmm, yeah [08:53] zyga: we can not reboot in prepare [08:53] zyga: if vmware products are 25-30% off all year, why don't they just drop the price? :) [08:53] zyga: but we do install some snaps in prepare [08:54] zyga: so its a bit of a catch-22 [08:54] mborzecki: marketing, magic [08:54] zyga: :/ [08:54] mvo: can we just make the 14.04 machine prepared with the right kernel? [08:54] zyga: also "funny" because while we need a newer kernel apparently things worked just fine with the stock 14.04 for most of our tests [08:54] mvo: or is that unreasonable for testing? [08:54] zyga: yeah, I think we need to do that [08:54] stock 14.04 kernel doesn't work at all [08:54] zyga: its slightly annoying for people who want to run local spread tests [08:54] are you sure? [08:54] zyga: it does not? [08:55] I'm pretty sure not much works on 3.10 there [08:55] zyga: let me dive deeper, so far I only looked at logs, let me login [08:55] last time I tried apparmor was not playing [08:55] and you would get issues on any operation [08:55] maybe mounting worked but not much more [08:55] mvo: also complex, maybe we should allow re-exec at least [08:55] but ... not sure [08:55] k [08:55] zyga: looking now [08:56] zyga: maybe our version check is just busted [08:56] zyga: anyway, another fun morning puzzle [09:03] Trevinho: when in pull, to changes to the part's source, when in build to the part's build dir, when in stage to the stage dir and when in prime to the prime dir. It has always been like this since introducing the override- directive [09:04] sergiusens: weird since the tdesktop stopped building for some weeks now as it wasn't find a file it was before in build (with a cp) [09:06] Trevinho can I see the snapcraft.yaml? [09:06] And how did it break? [09:07] sergiusens: failing here https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L97 [09:07] sergiusens: log with some more debugging https://launchpadlibrarian.net/390331135/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_tdesktop_BUILDING.txt.gz [09:07] (for sure it has always been building) [09:07] but I'm fixing the path, it's indeed better to point to the actual src, but... [09:08] just curious if something changed [09:09] mborzecki: updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5805 [09:09] PR #5805: cmd/snap-update-ns: enforce trespassing checks [09:09] Trevinho, are you sure there's a snap/gui? https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/tree/dev/snap [09:09] Trevinho your problem lies two lines above.. That relative path worked through an implementation detail [09:10] Oh, you make it [09:10] Blech [09:10] yeah, that's why I whished for years to do a SNAPCRAFT_PART_SOURCE env :) [09:11] but too in hurry to do a pr for it [09:11] zyga: lgtm, thanks! [09:12] zyga: ok, fun - the kernel test is busted, debugging now [09:13] zyga: so all good, much less of an issue than I expected [09:14] Trevinho, SNAPCRAFT_PART_SRC is a thing, but it wouldn't help you in this case, the snap/ dir isn't considered part of the src [09:15] yeah sure, but to pull from lib/xdg/* [09:16] sergiusens: another thing i wanted to ask, is there something going on for some caching of parts? As in the past I was trying to use travis cache for parts which didn't change, and would be nice to have a mode where snapcraft tries to reuse the parts if they're updates, otherwise it auto-cleans and pull/build/stage the ones which need to. As right now it gives an error message about what to do, but having something that forces it to clean... [09:17] mvo: oh, version compare wrong? [09:18] zyga: yeah, kernel version is "4.4.0-112-generic" - two "-" are illegal [09:19] oh [09:19] zyga: anyway, fix is easy [09:19] this upsets the compare logic? [09:19] zyga: yeah, its using the debian version compare rules [09:19] zyga: which give "-" a strict meaning [09:19] zyga: but no worries, fix is simple [09:22] Mornings [09:22] hey hey [09:22] feeling better? [09:22] niemeyer: good morning! [09:23] niemeyer: oh, I missed that you felt unwell? a cold as well? it seems to be going around :( [09:24] niemeyer: o/ [09:24] Trevinho, not completely clear what you're asking, but perhaps you'd be interested in the "lifecycle" section of these release notes? https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/releases/tag/2.43 [09:26] brb, getting more warm tea [09:38] kyrofa: oh, yes, that's the one! [09:38] kyrofa: that works also when doing `snapcraft prime ` and then if some dep on that needs cleanup does it? [09:40] * zyga shivers [09:41] Trevinho, yes, but it's not magic. It will catch changes made to the files for local parts, but not remote parts. It will clean/re-run steps that you change (e.g. if you alter override-build it knows build needs to run again) [09:41] It's also pretty new, we're still tweaking it, but would love for you to give it some mileage [09:42] zyga: I updated 5768, it needs a second review but that should be trivial :) [09:42] ack, I'll look in a sec [09:43] zyga: thanks and no rush, still need to wait for tests [09:46] mvo: Sorry, missed your question [09:47] mvo: No, I just felt a bit brainwashed after last week :) [09:57] mborzecki: updated, thanks [09:57] mvo: looking now [09:58] mvo: whee, [09:58] something for 2.36? [10:07] unexpected benefit from having macOS tests in travis [10:07] no stupid log by default [10:08] (the one that is super slow to load) [10:11] jdstrand: hey, could you please look at 5395 again? [10:21] if a configure hook fiddles with socket serviec files, is there a way to have snapctl trigger systemd reload? [10:21] fiddle? [10:22] zyga: yes, say i have socket activated serice and i change the port it listens on [10:22] how can you do that? [10:23] zyga: sed -e with socket unit file? i guess it onl works here becase i have no apparmor to stop me [10:23] yeah. [10:24] exactly that [10:24] but yeah, say i have socket activated service and want to change something there, there is no way to do that, is there? [10:24] that's correct [10:30] PR snapd#5863 opened: overlord/ifacestate: add hotplug slots with implicit slots [10:34] niemeyer: would be great to land the oldest hotplug PRs that need your re-review when you've a moment. stacking up these hotplug PRs is becoming painful [10:39] when is https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/ supposed to get back up ? [10:39] https://status.snapcraft.io/ [10:39] it doesn't say [10:41] No ETA at present, but we're working on it. [10:42] pstolowski: Ack [10:43] niemeyer: sorry for pushing, let me know when i become annoying ;} [10:43] pstolowski: No worries, thanks for pinging [10:44] zyga: we don't use glib in snap confine, only in its tests right? [10:44] pstolowski: correct [10:45] zyga: allright then :). for a moment i was wondering why did you implement key=val parser if glib has one; makes sense, thanks [10:45] yeah :-) [10:59] brb [11:05] hmm tests/main/login failing? i guess the store is not fully up yet [11:05] yeah [11:06] the developer bits are still down, and login touches those [11:06] * zyga dives into propagation settings [11:09] mvo: Q: should I just bump the revno of go-flags in vendor? [11:09] or however that particular dance went :-) [11:11] bah, maybe when the store is happy again :) [11:13] Chipaca: please do and we just try it [11:14] zyga: commented on 5861 [11:14] looking [11:15] mvo: looks like something big breaks; need to dig [11:15] mvo: $ snap help [11:15] error: unknown command "help", see 'snap help' [11:15] :-) [11:17] pstolowski: replied to all, updating [11:18] PR snapcraft#2298 opened: requirements.txt: pin click to v6.7 [11:19] apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.pi-kiosk.hook.prepare-device" name="/etc/writable/hostname" pid=1942 comm="prepare-device" requested_mask="wc" denied_mask="wc" fsuid=0 ouid=0 [11:19] mborzecki: FWIW, https://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s03.html says Environments (OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn) are case-sensitive, and https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s03.html says case is significant "everywhere in the file" [11:21] jdstrand, is hostname_control missing write permission to /etc/writable/hostname ? (i have a gadget that tries to set the hostanme in prepare-device but even thgouh the interface is connected i get the above error) [11:21] Chipaca: hmm menu spec [11:21] mborzecki: that's where OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn are defined (the second is the desktop spec) [11:22] second link* [11:34] mvo, hey [11:35] yesterday I saw this with the lxd snap https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XD87JBKzxs/ [11:35] if I install/remove lxd snap in beta or stable many times it works properly === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [11:36] but when I install/remove it with core snap in one channel and then refresh to another channel and install/remove lxd snap it fails removing [11:36] mvo, and it can't be installed anymore [11:38] git bisect is awesome sauce [11:39] heading for lunch and also need to take my daughter to the dentist for a small but urgent correction of her braces. hope to make it back for standup [11:51] zyga: ok [11:53] pstolowski|lunch: ttyl [11:53] jdstrand: thanks! [11:54] PR snapcraft#2299 opened: [legacy] requirements.txt: pin click to v6 [11:56] Chipaca, git bisect is one of the best git features [11:57] Especially when it points to someone ELSE's commit [12:00] well, in this case I think it points to something that worked for us by accident, but it might indeed be a bug [12:00] I need to dig a little more [12:00] (the fix if it's on our end is very simple) [12:10] * zyga feels like he has fever :/ [12:11] I need to put a heater in this room [12:15] mvo: hey there, question for you, is core18 production ready to use as a base? [12:21] niemeyer, any chance you've done anything about enabling nested kvm on gce for spread? [12:21] kyrofa: No, haven't touched htat [12:21] niemeyer, we're to the point where we could use it [12:25] niemeyer, and when I say "could use" I mean "kinda need" === pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski [12:36] PR snapd#5680 closed: [RFC] hotplug: handling of simple add/remove scenario [12:41] PR snapd#5864 opened: make sure hostnamectl can be used on core too [12:45] sergiusens: in a meeting, I will get back to you [12:46] kyrofa: I don't recall where the conversation stands.. do we have a PR already? [12:47] niemeyer, you just need to enable it on gce, it's not spread-specific [12:47] kyrofa: Where? [12:47] niemeyer, https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/enable-nested-virtualization-vm-instances [12:48] niemeyer, mvo: I'll skip standup [12:48] I feel so-so [12:48] but the real reason is that there's a 20+ movie crew in my house [12:48] shooting an episode of some police para-documentary now [12:48] heh [12:48] so... [12:48] yeah [12:49] things that happen when you live with parents ;-) [12:49] zyga: whaat? [12:49] there's fake police [12:49] and fake gangster [12:49] and fake hostage [12:49] and lights and lots of staff [12:49] and people with makeup [12:49] did you take a wrong turn on the way home from the sprint... are you actually in LA? [12:49] and I learned that my dog can bark [12:49] call the real police ... tell them the fake ones hold you back from attenting an important meeting !!! [12:49] he was so stressed about all the people he started barking at them [12:49] kyrofa: "You can enable nested virtualization using the API or gcloud component. To enable nested virtualization, you must create a custom image with a special license key that enables VMX in the L1 or host VM instance and then use that image on an instance that meets the restrictions for nested virtualization. The license key does not incur additional charges." [12:50] (normally he doesn't because his jaw was damaged) [12:50] kyrofa: I suggest working with cachio on that [12:50] anyway [12:50] zyga, do we hav to call you zygmunt kardashian soon ? [12:50] "action" [12:50] they are shooting now [12:50] well [12:50] the film [12:50] no shots in the scene [12:50] ogra: we didn't, but now we do. [12:50] haha [12:51] he'll be rich and famous soon ... and give us all his makeup tips ! [12:51] tomwardill: in autocratic Poland, movie shoots you ;-) [12:51] niemeyer, alright. cachio are you around? [12:51] ogra: as long as we can skip the semi-nude photos on Instagram, I'm not sure the world is ready for zygdashian [12:51] sparkiegeek: my ass is ready for the photo op [12:52] \o/ [12:52] and here I was thinking that getting fever would mean the day is bad [12:52] uhh ooh ... there can be mind-pics that cant be unseen !!! [12:52] http://www.eyebleach.me/ [12:52] Well that's enough internet for today [12:52] kyrofa: You (or someone) will need to understand how those images are really different [12:52] I can also not leave my room now as the door is blocked by their filming equipment [12:53] kyrofa: As apparently the magic is in the image contnet, not in the project [12:53] sparkiegeek: I don't think zyga needs to skimp on clothes to break the internet [12:53] ogra, zyga this is all it takes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35mQ29Cj-og [12:53] Chipaca: right? have you seen my patches? :-) [12:53] zyga: Ack.. I suggest actually taking the day off if you're not feeling well [12:53] niemeyer: I plan to, as soon as those ... people leave [12:53] and I can actually go upstairs [12:54] zyga: Otherwise it's neither here not there and the recovery doesn't work so well [12:54] I need to type more quietly [12:54] kyrofa, lol ! [12:54] they are shooting right next to my keyboard [12:54] * zyga breaks [12:54] the re-takes are fun to watch [12:54] PR snapcraft#2294 closed: snap: workaround the dirty tree [12:55] kyrofa: once you know how those magic images work I'd love to know [12:55] zyga, haha, I know zero about gce so hopefully cachio does [12:55] kyrofa: (in Yoda's voice) but you will (be) [12:56] ;-) [12:56] ok quiet now [12:56] authentic spanish chorizo... ah. Almost as good as mine [12:56] kyrofa: tell them the one from a town over is better [12:56] kyrofa: that'll go down well [12:57] Hahaha [12:57] my daughter will have a surprise once she returns home [12:57] police, cameras, tons of people [12:57] that won't be intimidating [12:58] I'll tell her that *next* time she needs to do homework! [12:58] login test fails [12:58] another take [12:58] zyga, convince them to put fake blood on you and lay on the floor for when she walks in. Too much? [12:58] kyrofa: you'll be a great parent [12:58] ;D [12:58] zyga, I dunno, how old is she... maybe she'll be happy? [12:59] :P [12:59] 10 [12:59] Ah, not old enough [12:59] "whee, someone killed daddy" [12:59] :D [12:59] * zyga must stop laughing [12:59] yeah, it'd have to be on the dog, not the zyga, for it to be bad at that age [12:59] you should a will right next to you when you do that [12:59] Hahahaha [12:59] I hear handcuffs [12:59] and fighting [12:59] "I leave everything to my son" [13:00] (it's a scene where a guy tries to feel the cops) [13:00] don't forget to add "but please leave the lab running for Chipaca" to your will [13:00] hahahaha [13:00] :D [13:00] I meant to say flee [13:01] gee, spell checkers are so awkward sometimes [13:01]