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didrocksgood morning06:22
jibelSalut didrocks06:45
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:48
didrockssalut jibel, hey oSoMoN06:49
oSoMoNsalut didrocks, ça va mieux?06:49
oSoMoNsalut jibel06:49
didrocksun peu mieux oSoMoN, merci :) déjà, plus de fièvre aujourd'hui, mais encore bien pris par une rhino06:50
jibelBonjour oSoMoN06:50
didrocksça passera doucement :p06:50
oSoMoNdidrocks, take it easy, faut être en forme pour le week-end :)06:51
willcookebonjour madame07:02
willcookeGood timing, looks like the images are just popping out07:05
oSoMoNbien le bonjour willcooke07:05
willcookeMy youngest wants peanut butter on a croissant for breakfast.07:10
willcookeIs that allowed?07:10
oSoMoNwillcooke, in France this was subject to death penalty before it was abolished07:14
willcookeI made it for him anyway, but he decided he didnt like it.07:15
willcookeNow I have to eat it07:16
RAOFThe sacrifices we make.07:16
didrocksoSoMoN: merci ;)07:18
willcookejibel, I'm downloading xubuntu now07:48
willcookejibel, still getting a black screen on Xubuntu07:54
didrocksandyrock: hey! Mind updating https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+bug/1790146 description to state that we wanting completely to drop that page? Nothing is telling that in the bug itself and the release team will likely review this07:55
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1790146 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Update Welcome page for Ubuntu 18.10" [High,In progress]07:55
didrocksandyrock: Otheriwse, I'm sponsoring07:55
willcookejibel, removing quiet and nosplash at least gets to a login screen08:01
tkamppeterLaney, I have tried the patch for libnma and now I can set up Canonical's VPNs again, the "CA Private Key" field simply went away after applying the patch. Thank you very much.08:01
tkamppeterLaney, so please let this patch go into Cosmic.08:02
tkamppeterLaney, only the DNS problem is not solved. I cannot connect to rugby.internal.08:02
Laneytkamppeter: Can't help you with the last thing, but good for the first08:03
didrocksmorning Laney08:03
Laneytkamppeter: also, I got that last night when you sent it.08:03
Laneyhey didrocks08:04
Laneywhat's up08:05
didrocksnothing special, what about you?08:07
Laneybit of a sore throat today08:09
Laneywas a small group at folk club so we ended up doing 5 songs /o\08:09
Laneynormal is more like 208:09
tkamppeterLaney, what do you mean, you also got the problem with the grayed "Apply" button and the extra fields or the DNS problem?08:25
LaneyI mean that you sent those three messages last night when I was connected to IRC, and so there wasn't any need to do it again this morning08:28
willcookedidrocks, yaru looks nice in the installer08:42
willcooke(but the virtualbox situation is still FUBAR)08:42
jibelwillcooke, with build 2018092708:43
didrockswillcooke: yeah, quite some work on the installer theming, but I agree, it looks good ;)08:44
willcookejibel, hm, lemme check.  Maybe I did something stupid08:45
* willcooke crosses his fingers08:45
willcookeI'm going to clear out all my old ISOs and start again, this is getting confusing08:46
jibeljust check the md508:46
willcookejibel, so xubuntu, from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/pending/08:52
willcookeis stil broken08:52
willcookethe md5sums match that file and the one I downloaded08:52
willcookejibel, trying Ubuntu Desktop now08:54
willcookesame, broken08:55
willcookeremove "quiet" & "splash" and I can get to a live session with a login prompt08:56
willcookeand from there I can start the install08:57
jibelwillcooke, what if you keep quiet splash and add nomodeset08:57
willcookegot a pointer08:58
willcookeIn to a live session08:58
willcookeinstall running09:00
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Trevinhowillcooke, popey, Wimpress: could you check if the telegram-snap in edge correclty auto-connects to content interfaces and use them?10:57
willcookeTrevinho, "telegram-desktop" right?10:58
willcooketjaalton, hey!  There is a common problem in the beta images that some flavours (xubuntu eg) and the main desktop image won't boot to a working live session from the ISO in Virtualbox.  Adding nomodeset to the boot options for the live session makes it work.  Once it's installed, you don't need the nomodset.  Odd.  Wimpress caught this which showed xorg crashing: telegram-desktop10:59
willcookeany ideas?10:59
tjaaltonwillcooke: sounds like the image does not have new mesa yet11:00
Laneyit does11:01
tjaaltonthen I have no idea11:01
Trevinhowillcooke: yep, doing manual refresh from edge might always work though11:02
willcookeTrevinho, fresh install, looks OK; https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3fV6NRwvmb/11:05
Trevinhowillcooke: yeah, that always was there, but might happen that actually the mount points were not there11:05
Trevinhowillcooke: like this should have values11:06
Trevinho`snap run --shell telegram-desktop -c 'find $SNAP/usr/share/themes'`11:06
willcookeTrevinho, I get the adwaita theme on File -> Open FYI11:07
Trevinhowhile `/snap/telegram-desktop/current/usr/share/themes` should not exist when poked from host11:07
willcookeTrevinho, snap run --shell telegram-desktop -c 'find $SNAP/usr/share/themes'11:08
willcookefind: '/snap/telegram-desktop/281/usr/share/themes': No such file or directory11:08
Trevinhowillcooke: yah, so that's the bug11:08
Trevinhowillcooke: like I've this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yT8gj7zTbs/11:10
Trevinhowillcooke: this is what I submitted long time ago https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/178190611:12
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1781906 in Snappy "Content provider interfaces introduced to snaps aren't correctly set up" [High,Triaged]11:12
Trevinhowillcooke: also what's yours `cat /run/snapd/ns/snap.telegram-desktop.fstab|grep gtk-common-themes`11:13
Trevinhowillcooke: maybe you can poke zyga about that since your system can be checked better (maybe you still have logs stating more what happened)11:17
Trevinhoso, mh I don't know what's better honestly...11:22
willcookeTrevinho, that grep returns nothing11:27
willcookeCan you sync with kenvandine and see if he has any clues11:28
Trevinhowillcooke: yeah, expected and that's the issue which prevented me to make this default11:28
Trevinhowillcooke: it seems it's not much related to our stuff, it happened also with the desktop interface (the one providing fonts and such)11:28
Trevinhowillcooke: it's probably better if you can provide snapd logs for installing the snap to zyga11:29
Trevinhoas it's something lower level11:29
willcookezyga, what logs do you need? ^11:31
willcooke(TL;DR: content interfaces not connecting when I install the telegram snap)11:31
Trevinhojibel: what was the full kvm config for that gdm issue?11:32
Trevinhojibel: also for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1794280 you had  nothing in /var/crash?11:32
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1794280 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Cosmic) "gdm doesn't start on a fresh installation of Cosmic Desktop" [Critical,Confirmed]11:32
jibelTrevinho, there is a plymouth crash. Nothing special about the VM, 2G of RAM, 1CPU and qxl video driver11:34
jibelTrevinho, you can try with vmware easyinstall too11:34
jibelsame problem11:34
jibelah no11:34
jibelit took a while but it eventually started11:35
Trevinhojibel: can you share the jouralctl of that machine too? As might have crashed anyway11:35
Trevinhobut just restarted11:35
jibelTrevinho, it's attached to the bug report11:36
Trevinhojibel: I meant the vmware one that you just got starting11:36
Trevinhobut after a while11:36
jibelsure 1sec11:36
jibelnothing in /var/crash11:37
jibelTrevinho, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dZ3fC9fNY9/11:40
Trevinhojibel: ok, my easyinstallation test still has a black image11:47
Trevinhocan't switch tty though11:47
Trevinhoto get infos11:47
Trevinhomouse moves but nothing more, not sure it's the same11:48
zygawillcooke, Trevinho: reading backlog11:50
zygasnap changes would be lovely11:51
zygaalso journald logs for snapd please11:51
zygalastly the /var/lib/snapd/mount/*.fstab file for the affected snap11:51
zygaas well as the /run/snapd/ns/*.fstab counterpart (clearly labelled please)11:51
zygathe revision of the snap (but it should be in the logs)11:51
zygaand that should be it11:51
willcookeace, thanks zyga - I'm on it11:52
willcookeTrevinho, please could you open a LP bug and I will gather the logs and attach them to it11:53
zygayes, that would be best11:54
zygaI'm debugging something in that area now so perhaps related11:54
willcookeTrevinho, ignore, I've done11:55
Trevinhowillcooke: oh, sorry I thought I already linked it... https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/178190611:56
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1781906 in Snappy "Content provider interfaces introduced to snaps aren't correctly set up" [High,Triaged]11:56
Trevinhozyga: ^^^11:56
Trevinhothat was already there for some time11:56
zygayeah, I got the email now11:56
zygaTrevinho: do you have the logs from snapd for this revision?11:56
Trevinhozyga: mine worked fine, willcooke one should be the best to poke11:57
zygawe had bugs before where part of logging was broken11:57
zygaand some fixes went into the mount system as well11:57
zygawillcooke: did that just happen on your system?11:58
willcookezyga, yeah11:58
zygacan you paste the logs please, that's most interesting to me11:58
willcookezyga, will do11:58
willcookezyga, on the bug, or pastebin, or both, or ???11:59
Trevinhowillcooke: both I guess :)11:59
willcooke$ snap changes11:59
willcookeID   Status  Spawn               Ready               Summary11:59
willcooke385  Done    today at 12:03 BST  today at 12:04 BST  Install "telegram-desktop" snap from "edge" channel11:59
zygaso just one snap, that's good12:00
zygawas that a fresh install or a refresh from edge?12:00
zygacan you please show the associated tasks as well (snap tasks 385)12:00
zygaok, nothing erring here12:02
zygahow about in the journal?12:02
willcookeman journalctl12:02
willcookestand by12:02
zygajounrnalctl -u snapd.service12:03
zygaor AFAIR12:03
* willcooke hugs zyga 12:03
willcooke(I'm adding thiese to the bug)12:04
zygano mention of telegram there :/12:05
willcookefstab: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Fdr9nfJYm/12:05
zygaok, that's the "what we want stab"12:06
zygathat's the what we _have_ one12:08
zygathat's great12:08
zygacan you please run now:12:08
zygasudo /usr/lib/snapd/snap-update-ns telegram-desktop12:08
willcookezyga, while the snap is running?12:08
zygayou can set SNAPD_DEBUG=1 too12:08
zygayes, it's always running live12:08
zygathis is what happens when you connect content interfaces12:08
zyga(or was that SNAP_DEBUG, I never remember)12:09
willcooke$ sudo /usr/lib/snapd/snap-update-ns telegram-desktop12:09
willcooke2018/09/27 13:08:53.110962 main.go:192: cannot change mount namespace of snap "telegram-desktop" according to change mount (/snap/gtk-common-themes/701/share/icons/Suru /snap/telegram-desktop/281/usr/share/icons/Suru none bind,ro 0 0): cannot use "/snap/gtk-common-themes/701/share/icons/Suru" as bind-mount source: not a directory12:09
zygathank you!12:09
willcookeoh, I didnt set that12:09
willcookelemme redo12:09
* zyga is proud of _that_ error message12:09
zygawhat is the source exactly? is it a symlink?12:09
willcooke$ ls -l /snap/gtk-common-themes/701/share/icons/Suru12:10
willcookelrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 11 16:56 /snap/gtk-common-themes/701/share/icons/Suru -> communitheme12:10
zygawhat does the content interface connection request?12:10
zygawhat is the actual target and source part?12:11
willcookekenvandine, buzzzzzzzzzz ^12:11
zygawillcooke: in the next next release (2.37) this will be a warning12:11
zygaI'll make sure of that12:11
willcookethanks zyga12:11
zyga2.36 is almost out now (out of master) and it's too late12:11
zygawillcooke: I think this particular issue is more about discoverability of the problem12:12
willcookezyga, we need to wait for kenvandine to come online now, that'll be around 1hr.  Sorry12:12
willcookeyeah, I agree12:13
zygathan snapd not doing mounts correctly12:13
zygacool, I've made notes that we should warn about such problems12:13
willcookethanks zyga.  So we need to change the common-themes to not use symlinks right?12:14
zygawell, mount source and target cannot be a symlink12:14
zygaso some crafting required12:14
willcookeawesome stuff, thank you very much12:14
zygaI canna change the laws of linux # with scotty's voice12:14
* willcooke talks in to his mouse 12:14
Trevinhozyga: interesting finding... why this randomly works though?12:18
zygaTrevinho: I _suspect_ that unless you reboot and the layout of the older revisions was different (correct) you just don't notice because the old mount namespace is used12:19
zygaor maybe edge vs stable12:19
TrevinhoI see12:19
willcookecan anyone remember how to comment out text in moin wiki?>12:26
zygacomment out? hmm nope12:26
zygaI only remember {{{ }}}12:27
zygamaybe something akin to {! ... } ?12:27
willcookeit was "##"12:29
willcookeand, incidently, an example was right at the top of the page.  le sigh12:30
jibelwillcooke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax#Comments12:30
willcookeyeah I saw that, but it's not what I wanted12:31
willcookeI want to hide a whole load of content from the page, but leave it there so that we can edit it later12:31
kenvandinezyga willcooke, yes we know.  jamesh was going to fix that.12:35
willcookeTrevinho, there we go ^12:36
willcooketold you he'd know12:36
kenvandineWe debugged that last week, I think that's why he bumped the meson version in Yaru12:36
kenvandineYaru is creating the symlink12:36
* zyga promises to call the next build system "build-system-from-zyga"12:37
zyganot random-word < /usr/share/dict12:37
zyga(I'll call it zbs for short)12:37
Trevinhowillcooke, kenvandine. Good. However i'm pretty sure snapd should be more clear about this with proper failures probably.13:14
willcookeTrevinho, that's what z_yga said he would do for next release of snapd13:29
TrevinhoI've opened a bug for the provider too13:29
Trevinhojibel: weird thing... https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/E7gnaVb8/Screencast%202018-09-27%2015%3A40%3A28.mp413:41
jibelTrevinho, in qemu?13:43
jibelremove splash from the boot cmdline13:43
Trevinhojibel: yeah, just starting it without doing anything else (like I didn't select the language)13:45
TrevinhoI can use the mouse there, but not keyboard13:46
jibelor if you select cirrus or vga it should work but then there are other limitations13:47
Trevinhoit's weird also that if I select not to download updates, it still installs stuff14:25
Trevinhofrom the net14:25
jibellanguages packs?14:31
k_alamTrevinho: Hi, I filed the bug about ccsm here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/179476514:57
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1794765 in compiz (Ubuntu) "CCSM has no icon, Gtk.Button.do_draw (self, cr), TypeError: Expected cairo.Context (Ubuntu 18.10)" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:57
k_alammay be compiz requires a rebuild14:57
willcookeLaney, thanks for the ping.  Working on the screenshots15:34
Laneyjust wanted it on The List :-)15:34
willcookeI still need the mascot, but I can get everything else done today I think15:34
willcookeLaney, yeah, I appreciate it, I would have been next week before I knew it15:34
Laneyah there's a screenshot of libreoffice which talks about bionic, guess that needs updating15:35
Laneyactually they probably all do for yaru don't they15:35
didrocksthink so15:35
* Laney senses a highlight15:36
willcookeI'll redo them all15:36
willcookeLaney, you know the beta still has beaver right/15:36
Laneythat's in the unapproved queue15:37
didrocks(not even any highlight, just reading IRC ;))15:37
willcookeI have a mascot!15:46
Laneythink I have a cold15:47
* Laney is sniffling15:47
* willcooke consides the healing powers of the cuttlefish 15:47
* Laney pouts, not even been around any freshers15:47
Laney(what are out in force this week)15:48
willcookeThat feels like a long time ago15:49
willcookeHooch was cool in those days15:49
Laneythat's back in production you know15:49
* willcooke googles15:50
willcookemy god15:50
Laneywhen the pub was closing down and they had to sell all their stock I had one15:50
LaneyF M L15:50
willcookeThat explains the Viz "reverse shandy" tweet the other day15:50
willcookeWhich is of course, made with Hooch and alcohol free beer15:51
LaneyI was too young to drink it but I do remember the newz getting in a twist about alcopops when hooch first came out15:51
* Laney imagines town on a friday night15:52
mptdidrocks, hi, the communitheme snap description says “This package allows you to try out the theme on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.” Will the 18.10 install ship it as a snap?15:52
didrocksmpt: no, it shipped as a deb package16:08
didrocksso only 18.04 LTS is a snap16:08
sarnoldkenvandine: guessing, tuesday next week for completion, I've been on PTO after the sprint16:55
tjaaltonwillcooke, Laney, jibel: I know why vbox initial startup fails. vboxvideo takes an eternity to initialize, and x starts before it16:58
willcooketjaalton, it was working ok though, in the past, so does that mean there have been some changes in xorg to make it start faster now?16:59
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tjaaltonwell I'd expect the kernel driver to be ready in less than 25s17:00
tjaaltondunno why it's slow17:00
tjaaltontakes nearly 30s17:02
willcookeHow does nomodeset "fix" it?17:04
tjaaltonwonder if the module is in initrd, probably should be17:04
tjaaltonit doesn't fix it, just works around the crash17:06
jibeltjaalton, why only when booting the iso and not the installed system?17:06
tjaaltonjibel: dunno, check when vboxvideo shows it's initialized?17:07
Trevinhotjaalton: is that somewhat related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1794280 ?17:08
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1794280 in xorg (Ubuntu Cosmic) "gdm doesn't start on a fresh installation of Cosmic Desktop" [Undecided,New]17:08
TrevinhoLooks all this is a race, and somewhat all connected...17:09
TrevinhoEven in an installed system, when starting through grub recovery mode everything works17:09
Trevinhoand vbe driver has the same issue apparently, while qxl only sometimes17:10
tjaaltondmesg & xorg log would be nice17:10
tjaaltonto check the timestamps17:11
jibelthe journal doesn't have all of this information?17:11
tjaaltonah there is something17:11
tjaaltonbut no,journal just has a dump with the same timestamp for kernel messages17:12
tjaaltonno fb device found, so gdm is started too early17:13
tjaaltonfrom the x log17:14
TrevinhoYeah so I was noticing too...17:15
tjaaltonso with nomodeset it loads vesa which doesn't try to load glamor17:19
tjaaltonthe failing case loads both for some reason17:19
tjaaltonvesa because there's no fb dev, modesetting is unloaded but loaded again later on and then it goes boom trying to init glamor (dri)17:20
tjaaltonoh right, the device appeared and device hotplug kicks in and loads modesetting17:24
kenvandinesarnold: thanks17:24
tjaaltonthat's why17:24
tjaaltonjibel: check if the initrd has vboxvideo in it.. 'lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.18.0-7-generic | grep vbox'17:43
tjaaltonthe initial one doesn't but one generated on the system might17:43
willcookeI made all the images for the slideshow, and then went and installed Ubuntu Studio over the top of that machine without copying them off first18:00
sarnoldwillcooke: I've used The Sleuth Kit / Autopsy to do image recovery from busted SD card before; maybe you could get lucky?18:02
sarnoldof course installing a whole OS over the disk might be too much. but you never know.18:02
kenvandinesounds like an interesting app18:03
willcookesarnold, ah, nice tip, thanks.  Alas I think it will take me less time to re-do them than to try it18:06
sarnoldwillcooke: either way it's not fun :(18:07
willcookeIt should be quicker second time around :)18:07
willcookeand done18:44
willcookeright, finish off in the morning.  Night all18:49

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