[00:13] <illuminated> is it normal that kde5 plasma doesn't have the compiz effects enabled?
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> Kuwanger: The idea of trying this is to see if it's something in the profile or something else
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> illuminated: KDE doesn't use compiz as a window compisitor... it has it's own engine
[00:15] <illuminated> pragmaticenigma: well how do I get all the neat effects I've seen?
[00:15] <illuminated> i mean my kde is just plain... it doesn't do crap
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> illuminated: that's kind of the point of all computers... they're meant to do tasks... entertainment is a side effect
[00:16] <illuminated> I want it to look good
[00:17] <moredrowsy> can someone tell me how to change gnome's font size based on dpi monitors? At home, I have a 1440p monitor and the font size is perfect. However, when i move my ext hd to a lower res monitor, the font sizes are too large. How do I change the overall system font based on dpi?
[00:17] <pragmaticenigma> illuminated: If you want the effects of compiz... compiz was designed for Gnome Desktop environment
[00:18] <pragmaticenigma> moredrowsy: you could write a script that runs on login that detects the environment and changes the setting. I don't believe there is a built in function
[00:18] <illuminated> well I mean I'm watching this video on plasma on youtube.. and the dude is switching the task switcher effects.  I change the effect and it doesn't do shit.  It just does the same thing no matter what effect I choose.
[00:19] <pragmaticenigma> illuminated: Please mind your language
[00:19] <moredrowsy> pragmaticenigma, oh, unfortunate. thanks anyways
[00:20] <illuminated> pragmaticenigma: could it not be doing any of that cuz it's a virtualbox instance and the emulated vid card doesn't have the nuts to do these effects?
[00:21] <pragmaticenigma> illuminated: What you see some dude on YouTube doing, probably took hours of configuration and trial and error. And a VM is a very limited environment, those effects rely on components in the graphics card to perform. Just like you can't play a video game in a VM very well, the same components are used for compiz and other desktop effects
[00:39] <Kuwanger> pragmaticenigma: I checked and a blank profile has the same problem.
[00:41] <pragmaticenigma> Kuwanger: Do you have other tools or plugins installed?
[00:43] <Kuwanger> pragmaticenigma: Think I found a workaround:  https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/dconf/SystemAdministrators?action=show&redirect=dconf%2FSystemAdministrators
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> it's something to check out... I haven't experienced the same issue, at least that I noticed
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> so I'm unsure if that will solve it. or just mask the problem
[00:50] <Kuwanger> pragmaticenigma: Mask, yes.  Because finding the problem doesn't seem readily doable.
[00:58] <Kuwanger> pragmaticenigma: And I can verify it worked.  I do wish I could actual trace the problem rather than endless trial and error, but at least it's some sort of solution.
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> Kuwanger: You might want to consider filing a bug report on launchpad against Nautilus... Ubuntu/Canonical devs monitor that and will help you find the culprit and while helping you, might figure out if it really is a bug
[01:11] <Sven_vB> lookling through the Ubiquity bug tracker makes me wonder how people manage to install Ubuntu at all. :D
[01:16] <Wafficus> hey there question about the newest Ubuntu release, so is it possible to flash it onto a flash drive, and just run it from a flash drive without installing it?
[01:17] <Wafficus> I ask because I was thinking about testing the newest release that Canoical posted on their twitter onto my Windows gaming pc, but didn't want to erase any existing harddrive data
[01:17] <Wafficus> I've only used flash drives to install Lubuntu directly onto old laptops
[01:18] <wilskywalker> I am pretty sure that you can use it as long as you do not install it.
[01:18] <wilskywalker> It will give you options. Use the closest to live cd...
[01:22] <Bashing-om> Wafficus: Yes, down laod the desktop edition, and once the .iso file is burned .. choose "try ubuntu" .
[01:24] <Wafficus> Bashing-om: thanks, and where can I go to report any bugs? I ask because I'd like to get more Open Source project experience for later work, and would love to help you guys out
[01:25] <Wafficus> I've been helping out Lubuntu so far through their "Phab" page
[01:26] <Bashing-om> !bug | Wafficus
[01:28] <Bashing-om> Wafficus: You will find we appreciate all the help we can get :P
[01:28] <Wafficus> weird question, but if I do this, could I list in on my LinkedIn under my "Open Source Developer" position?
[01:28] <Wafficus> just wondering if that's okay with you guys
[01:28] <Wafficus> I already have a job in tech as a QC Auditor for an ad tech company, just trying to get dev experience to maybe break into the field later
[01:29] <Wafficus> I don't use code in my current job tbh, but I see the effects of it through the ads they capture
[03:20] <yuken> So, I've got an issue with Ubuntu and presumably most Linux distributions (as this issue also occurs under FreeBSD):
[03:20] <yuken> Old AMD card from 2009, passed through to an Ubuntu guest. I can't get any display, and if I try to load radeon (or radeonkms under FreeBSD), I get "Unable to locate BIOS ROM"
[03:21] <yuken> drivers work fine under Windows, displays the login screen as I boot up. Under Ubuntu, I get no display, not even a terminal, to the monitor it is connected to.
[03:34] <willer> hi all, i'm setting up a simple server for a school project but I ran in to an issue I just can't see through. made a thread here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2402163 - please have a look and see if you can give me a direction for troubleshooting, thanks!
[04:36] <debsan> willer, had you installed apache rewrite module ?
[05:00] <willer> debsan: yes it's already enabled
[05:02] <eden> Is it normal for a internal hard drive to be mounted on /media.... I'm having issues with emby... not sure if its related.
[05:02] <eden> I just formatted the hard drive today, and it appears to be in /media/user/harddrivename
[05:06] <willer> debsan: maybe i need to adjust .htaccess?
[05:07] <willer> is the problem that i have humhub in a subdirectory?
[05:10] <eden> got it
[05:10] <eden> I needed to add to my fstab, and mount the drive
[05:10] <xamithan> Thats the DE automount
[05:10] <eden> interesting, so what is going on when its in /media, this is not "mounted"
[05:11] <eden> why does emby have issues accessing there, and not after I mount it I wonder, I chmod 777 -R both locations....
[05:11] <Shmam> Just booted into my system and everything was looking fine, sddm started fine but I only see my mouse and the terminal window behind. my desktop doesn't show up. (Using kubuntu 18.04)
[05:12] <Shmam> I also had to install an unsigned kernel (from a canonical employee) to fix an issue with my hard drive. I'm not sure if this is relevant to the issue or not.
[05:14] <xamithan> You should know if the issue started after you installed the kernel or not
[05:15] <Shmam> The system was fine and stable and booted with the new kernel as normal when I first installed
[05:18] <Shmam> `sudo service sddm status` looks completely normal
[05:21] <xamithan> !nomodeset
[05:23] <Shmam> Right but it was booting just fine before and doesn't have a dedicated gpu
[05:25] <Shmam> and its weird that I can move my mouse around. Its almost like something with kde didn't start properly
[05:26] <Shmam> I think something is wrong with my xserver
[05:36] <Shmam> ok I just switched to a signed kernel and can confirm that the issue is still present
[05:37] <featherlessbiped> i messed up postgres setup
[05:37] <featherlessbiped> so i did apt remove and then apt install on it hoping to start from scratch
[05:37] <featherlessbiped>  but the post install scripts are not being ran after apt install postgres
[05:37] <featherlessbiped>  so /etc/postgresql/ is not created
[05:38] <featherlessbiped>  systemctl start postgresql doesn't work
[05:38] <featherlessbiped> how do i reinstall postgresql from scratch?
[05:39] <xamithan> You probably want purge,  not remove
[05:40] <Shmam> Is 4.18.0.3-generic a default/standard kernel?
[05:41] <ryuo> Shmam: it's not part of an official release right now. it's probably derived from Ubuntu's cutting edge kernel in the cosmic branch.
[05:42] <Shmam> ah ok. How can I check if my xorg server is running? sddm is running fine and I thought that started up the x server
[05:42] <ledeni> Shmam: what iso you use to install kbuntu?
[05:42] <ryuo> If you have video output that isn't from a virtual console, it's probably X11. almost no one here uses software that draws directly to a framebuffer.
[05:43] <Shmam> Yeah I'm using X11
[05:44] <Shmam> O I just got in with a `startx`
[05:44] <ryuo> well, that starts X too.
[05:44] <Shmam> wonder why it failed during startup...
[05:44] <xamithan> You could check the logs
[05:45] <ryuo> Shmam: did you install using 18.04.1 Kubuntu?
[05:45] <ryuo> Strange issue you have... I stopped trying to use KDE5 after all the weird glitchs I ran into.
[05:45] <Shmam> ryuo: yep
[05:46] <ryuo> That was 16.04, but still... I kept seeing such things so I finally gave up on KDE.
[05:46] <ryuo> Shmam: ok... no idea what your issue is exactly, though it could be hardware support. How new is the system?
[05:47] <ledeni> Shmam: how you got that kernel 4.18.0.3-generic ?
[05:47] <Shmam> ryuo: It's only a few months old
[05:47] <ryuo> Hm.
[05:47] <Shmam> what makes you think its a hardware issue?
[05:48] <ryuo> Shmam: Linux support for latest hardware tends to lag.
[05:48] <ryuo> It's been that way for the last 10 years i've noticed.
[05:48] <Shmam> ledeni: I just did an apt update and upgrade and it installed it
[05:48] <ryuo> Especially laptops.
[05:48] <Shmam> ryuo: Yeah... I'm running into that rn lel
[05:48] <Shmam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1746340
[05:48] <ryuo> Shmam: it sounds like you may have to wait for LTS HWE to resolve your issue officially.
[05:49] <ryuo> What laptop anyway?
[05:49] <Shmam> Razer blade stealth
[05:49] <Shmam> its really awesome
[05:49] <ryuo> Huh.
[05:49] <ryuo> Wait, the BIOS is from 2017?
[05:49] <ryuo> Yet you just bought it?
[05:50] <ryuo> Oh.
[05:50] <ryuo> This is someone else's.
[05:50] <Shmam> yeah I didn't post till the bottom
[05:50] <Shmam> only like 2 posts from me
[05:51] <ryuo> Shmam: my new probook isn't that fancy but it's had very few issues... go figure.
[05:51] <ryuo> had only like 2 issues... the audio leds didn't work (had to submit a kernel patch), and the function keys had issues (bios update fixed).
[05:52] <Shmam> how long does it take for the kernel patches to get merged in?
[05:52] <ryuo> Shmam: In my case, it was a simple one liner.
[05:54] <ryuo> Shmam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1781763
[05:55] <ryuo> 4-5 weeks for the Ubuntu kernel to include it.
[05:55] <ryuo> Like half that for it to get into upstream.
[05:55] <Shmam> the one that I linked was started in Jan :(
[05:57] <ryuo> Shmam: is your BIOS current?
[06:10] <empedokles78> Can the Gnome watch screen (if energy saver is set: turn of monitor: 12 min) somehow be deactivated? It's weird those two things are interlinked.
[06:34] <nikolam> I often have a problem, while running Firefox with many tabs for a long time, then I start openin like ten Firefox tabs and memory usage spikes and fills and then whole computer blocks...
[06:34] <nudoge> nikolam: I started using Vivaldi
[06:34] <nikolam> I can not even ssh to machine, nor move mouse pointer, can't switch to text console... only network routing is working
[06:35] <nikolam> I think it is OS problem when one running app fills RAM and kills machine
[06:35] <nudoge> ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[06:35] <nudoge> and if its a desktop zRAM helps a lot.
[06:35] <nikolam> nudoge, no joy, tried it
[06:36] <nikolam> basicaly , firefox freaks out, start allocating RAM and machine is then halted (even kernel still works
[06:36] <nudoge> I had that same issue with running firefox.  I know people that swear by it and I have issues with Vivaldi a lot less than I do with Firefox atm
[06:36] <nikolam> Would like somehow to limit Firefox and other app memory usage to at least can restart them without halting whole machine
[06:37] <nudoge> zRAM to help with the freezing.  Im sure there are cgroup mods that could help with memory allocations
[06:37] <nikolam> I think I need system solution that always works (limiting per-app usage caps at least) and recovering from large ram usage situations
[06:37] <nikolam> cgroup sounds promising
[06:38] <nudoge> its tough, I balked it last time I set up cgroups.  There are some enviroments I've seen cgroups run well in.
[07:11] <faLUCE> Hello, how can I remove the screen that appears after inactivity? It's not the lock screen, it's a screen that drives me to the desktop if I move the mouse up while pressing the mouse button
[07:12] <faLUCE> ubuntu 18.04
[07:50] <donalsd> hi, I am trying to use Synaptic package manager to get the offline package list for downloading, but with that I don't get the list of dependencies that need to be installed if I already have a package install and I want to reinstall it. How do I get them in the script as well?
[07:50] <nikolam> I don't know how to enable OpenCL on Nvidia graphics (9800GT) For example, can't enable OlenCL in LibreOffice, it is disabled every time I restart it
[07:51] <donalsd> For example, if I need python in the script, although I have python installed, I want to generate the download script for python and all its dependencies. How do I do it?
[07:54] <ilias_gr> hi all. System-load-monitor under xubuntu 18.04 doesn't show ram usage when mouse is over the bar. Any solution on this issue?
[07:58] <TsakNorris> Just asking if there is a way to install R9 AMD 270x GPU to ubuntu. There was support to it back in 14.04 version. I have tried to find information about this, but very hard to get 3D acceleration to work.
[08:12] <nikolam> ilias_gr, yes, contact xfce developers and send them a patch enabling that option. In the meantime, you can get the source with apt-get source <packagename> and if build dependencies are installed, compile your own enhanced package. Or pay someone to do it for you. Anyway, post a feature request report to Xfce.
[08:14] <nikolam> TsakNorris, R9 270X is supposed to be very well supported for Linux, even with open source divers from AMD at full speed. I just found 20X drivers page on AMD's site.
[08:15] <yuken> TsakNorris, you don't install any drivers. It should just... work.
[08:15] <ilias_gr> nikolam: i am wondering if i can downgrade to 1.1.2 version (from 1.2.1 version installed) which under 16.04 worked fine
[08:15] <yuken> Make sure to enable amdgpu in your boot stuff.
[08:18] <nikolam> donalsd, maybe creating locally available package repository mirror is the best solution of working offline, other then that, apt show <packagename> shows dependecies. Not sure what are best ways of scripting, but it is sure you are trying some personal solution that suits you, so..
[08:19] <nikolam> ilias_gr, what's not working well for you? rpeort your findings in a Ubuntu bug reporta && to AMD
[08:21] <memphisto> hi. kubuntu 18.04.1 installer fails at installing grub
[08:22] <EriC^^> memphisto: what does it say exactly?
[08:24] <memphisto> executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. this is fatal error
[08:26] <memphisto> as i haven't left installtion yet, i've check and /target is still mounted
[08:26] <memphisto> chrooted there
[08:27] <memphisto> and manually starteg grub-install
[08:27] <memphisto> root@kubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/sda
[08:27] <memphisto> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[08:27] <memphisto> Could not delete variable: Invalid argument
[08:27] <memphisto> grub-install: error: efibootmgr failed to register the boot entry: Block device required.
[08:34] <memphisto> EriC^^: i've tried this too grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi=/boot/efi /dev/sda but same error appears
[08:34] <EriC^^> memphisto: type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" , dir exists?
[08:35] <memphisto> EriC^^: it does
[08:35] <EriC^^> memphisto: odd
[08:36] <ppf> so, i have a cronjob running /usr/lib/php/sessionclean every half hour, which litters my email with dozens of "No such file or directory" errors
[08:36] <EriC^^> memphisto: "ubiquity -b" let's you install without the bootloader so you can chroot and install later
[08:36] <ppf> is there a fix for that?
[08:37] <EriC^^> memphisto: did the installer continue after the grub error or just crash/stop
[08:37] <memphisto> EriC^^: i've got a popup and with mentioned error, but i didn't close the popup
[08:37] <memphisto> it will probably finish
[08:37] <memphisto> this is anyway the finial step
[08:38] <ppf> that cronjob is part of php-common
[08:38] <ppf> this is xenial btw
[08:38] <memphisto> but issue is that i'm manually doing the grub install wich is also failing
[08:38] <memphisto> in chroot environment
[08:38] <EriC^^> memphisto: it actually does some clean up after grub
[08:38] <EriC^^> memphisto: ok, what does "sudo efibootmgr -v" give?
[08:40] <memphisto> EriC^^: i get Boot0000 and Boot001 entries
[08:40] <ppf> i mean i can hack the script to fix, but this seems buggy?
[08:40] <memphisto> EriC^^: this could be a leftover from previous install
[08:40] <EriC^^> memphisto: how did you chroot?
[08:41] <memphisto> chroot /target
[08:41] <EriC^^> memphisto: try to let the installer continue
[08:41] <EriC^^> then we can setup a chroot ourselves and see
[08:44] <memphisto> EriC^^: it finished quicky
[08:45] <EriC^^> memphisto: ok, type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" share the pastebin link here
[08:48] <memphisto> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/yohf
[08:51] <TsakNorris> nikolam:  could you send me the link. I wanna check it. All the pages what i have found, it hasn't had any support after 14.04 LTS.
[08:51] <EriC^^> memphisto: type "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
[08:52] <memphisto> done
[08:52] <EriC^^> memphisto: "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[08:53] <memphisto> done
[08:53] <EriC^^> memphisto: sudo chroot /mnt
[08:53] <memphisto> done
[08:54] <EriC^^> memphisto: mount -a
[08:54] <memphisto> done
[08:54] <EriC^^> memphisto: let's see which grub is installed first, "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:54] <memphisto> http://termbin.com/3vdg
[08:55] <EriC^^> there appears to be a mix of grub legacy and grub efi
[08:55] <EriC^^> memphisto: apt-get purge grub-pc grub-pc-bin
[08:56] <memphisto> done with errors
[08:56] <EriC^^> what errors?
[08:57] <memphisto> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)  ; that was shim-signed
[08:57] <EriC^^> hmm
[08:57] <nikolam> TsakNorris, I still don't know what is not working for you in newer drivers. SInce 270X is GCN graphics it is supported and as I know drivers are open.
[08:58] <nikolam> It's possible that the old fglrx proprietary drivers are old and not developed anymore
[08:58] <EriC^^> what does "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" give now?
[08:58] <EriC^^> memphisto:
[08:59] <memphisto> http://termbin.com/padbj
[08:59] <EriC^^> memphisto: it's still there
[09:00] <EriC^^> memphisto: anyways, try "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi"
[09:00] <TsakNorris> nikolam: ??? 3D acceleration isn't working. Is there good page where i can read more?
[09:01] <TsakNorris> nikolam: Everybody know that Linux supports more heavily Nvidia than AMD GPU's
[09:01] <nikolam> TsakNorris, see in 'synaptic' what packages you have installed
[09:01] <nikolam> TsakNorris, Linux does not supports anything, Linux is a kernel. Nvidia makes proprietary drivers and AMD makes open source drivers and supports hardware.
[09:02] <memphisto> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/htb7
[09:04] <EriC^^> memphisto: ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:04] <EriC^^> also sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:04] <memphisto> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/htb7
[09:05] <EriC^^> and "blkid | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:05] <EriC^^> thats the same link
[09:06] <memphisto> EriC^^: sorry , copy/paste error
[09:06] <memphisto> http://termbin.com/1j2d
[09:08] <EriC^^> everything appears to be in place
[09:08] <EriC^^> it should boot
[09:08] <EriC^^> the entry is in efibootmgr with correct partuuid and the file is in the partition
[09:09] <EriC^^> you still need to purge the grub-pc package after you boot to get a clean dpkg/apt state
[09:10] <EriC^^> memphisto: try rebooting
[09:10] <memphisto> EriC^^: i will but if it won't boot.....
[09:11] <EriC^^> come back here to troubleshoot why
[09:11] <EriC^^> try first the one-time boot of your pc
[09:12] <EriC^^> that gives the uefi list and other options to boot
[09:12] <memphisto> this is strace of grub-install http://termbin.com/r3rfi
[09:12] <memphisto> part of it
[09:12] <memphisto> big part of it
[09:12] <EriC^^> try rebooting
[09:12] <memphisto> rebooting
[09:18] <memphisto> EriC^^: back
[09:19] <memphisto> EriC^^: stuck at grub>
[09:19] <EriC^^> memphisto: ok, type "echo $prefix"
[09:20] <EriC^^> ah
[09:20] <memphisto> EriC^^: where ?
[09:20] <EriC^^> thought you were on grub still on another pc
[09:20] <EriC^^> memphisto: can you get on a phone or other pc while in grub> ?
[09:20] <memphisto> EriC^^: will do so...
[09:20] <EriC^^> ok cool
[09:23] <memphisto> EriC^^: back with 2 PCs
[09:23] <EriC^^> memphisto: cool type "echo $prefix"
[09:23] <memphisto> EriC^^: echo $prefix gives (hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub
[09:24] <EriC^^> hmm odd
[09:24] <EriC^^> memphisto: try typing "normal"
[09:25] <memphisto> EriC^^: did that, and prefix gives the same;still in grub>
[09:25] <EriC^^> memphisto: try "configfile $prefix/grub.cfg"
[09:26] <EriC^^> memphisto: ah it makes sense, we forgot to run update-grub Doh O.o
[09:26] <memphisto> ok , going live
[09:26] <EriC^^> ok
[09:34] <memphisto> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/cblv
[09:34] <memphisto> :)
[09:35] <memphisto> but noooo
[09:35] <EriC^^> memphisto: great, run sudo update-grub
[09:38] <memphisto> EriC^^: done
[09:38] <memphisto> how to check, apart from rebooting
[09:38] <EriC^^> ls /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:38] <EriC^^> memphisto: also try apt-get purge grub-pc from the chroot
[09:40] <memphisto> i'm doing apt-get purge grub-pc, but it has a scary question popup
[09:41] <memphisto> Do you want all grub2 files removed from /boot/grub?
[09:41] <memphisto> hmmm
[09:41] <EriC^^> say yes
[09:41] <memphisto> i'm gonna blindly follow you
[09:41] <EriC^^> then run apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed && grub-install && update-grub
[09:42] <memphisto> i get io error
[09:44] <memphisto> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/svpq
[09:45] <EriC^^> memphisto: no worries, type "update-grub"
[09:45] <memphisto> It says done
[09:45] <memphisto> reboot ?
[09:45] <EriC^^> ok try rebooting
[09:45] <memphisto> and pray
[09:46] <memphisto> oooooo
[09:46] <memphisto> i have ugly blue grub and text scroling
[09:46] <memphisto> its what i've always wanted
[09:47] <EriC^^> lol
[09:47] <EriC^^> ok
[09:47] <EriC^^> so all good memphisto ?
[09:47] <EriC^^> what does "dpkg -l | grep  grub" give?
[09:48] <memphisto> all praises to EriC^^ - lord of the GRUB and the master of dpkg
[09:48] <memphisto> thansk
[09:48] <EriC^^> no problem memphisto
[09:48] <memphisto> will check as soon as it boots
[09:49] <memphisto> so, should this be a bug report ?
[09:49] <memphisto> is it known issue
[09:49] <EriC^^> mm i think it's some efibootmgr uefi issue
[09:49] <memphisto> i've did manual partitioning
[09:49] <memphisto> maybe that bothered him
[09:49] <EriC^^> it's failing when adding the entry, though it's actually succeeding in adding it
[09:50] <EriC^^> oddly enough grub-install worked from the install later, but when installing the package it failed
[09:50] <EriC^^> so must be some software bug
[09:51] <memphisto> http://termbin.com/rp86
[09:51] <memphisto> can you send me those termbin links that i've sent you
[09:51] <memphisto> i'd like to try and file a bug report
[09:51] <memphisto> and i'll need those
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:27] <Sven_vB> morning
[11:40] <zamba> hi! i want to set up an automatic deployment scheme for ubuntu.. this will be for virtual machines running on the vmware vsphere platform.. how do you recommend doing this?
[11:42] <Sven_vB> zamba, try to remaster your own oem install
[11:42] <zamba> Sven_vB: preseed files?
[11:42] <zamba> Sven_vB: pxe booted?
[11:42] <Sven_vB> zamba, yes both
[11:43] <Sven_vB> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/OEM
[11:43] <zamba> Sven_vB: is cobbler something that can be used here?
[11:43] <Sven_vB> dunno
[12:28] <chris062689> What kernel version currently ships with Ubuntu 18.10? Sites I've seen say 4.17, but what minor version? I looked through the package repository but couldn't find it.
[12:31] <Ool> chris062689: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=cosmic&section=all&arch=any&keywords=linux-image-generic&searchon=names
[12:32] <Ool> 4.18.0.7.8
[12:32] <sylwek-ibmr50e> hello, which channel is support/help channel?
[12:32] <Ool> sylwek-ibmr50e: topic ?
[12:32] <sylwek-ibmr50e> my PC takes too long to boot, maybe someone could take a look at my systemd-analyze blame
[12:33] <chris062689> Thank you Ool. I imagine if I require kernel version 4.17.2, 4.18.0 would be inclusive of that?
[12:34] <Ool> I don't know, just, this link may be helfull to know versions :)
[12:35] <hateball> !paste | sylwek-ibmr50e
[12:35] <sylwek-ibmr50e> I know how to paste shit
[12:35] <sylwek-ibmr50e> http://termbin.com/tt2i
[12:35] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | sylwek-ibmr50e
[12:36] <sylwek-ibmr50e> it's an old laptop, but it takes longer to boot than windows 7 which is weird
[12:37] <pragmaticenigma> sylwek-ibmr50e: comparing windows boot times to linux boot times is like comparing an orange to a banana. They are not the same things.
[12:38] <pragmaticenigma> sylwek-ibmr50e: Both systems use very different approaches to booting. An example, Microsoft has optimized windows to boot essential items to get to the boot screen, and continues it's boot process while waiting for a user to authenticate. Linux/Ubuntu does not
[12:39] <pragmaticenigma> Linux/Ubuntu takes a different approach, in some cases similar, every attempt is made to get the user to the login screen as fast as possible. But the approach is different (systemd attempts to load things in parallel instead of waiting for one service to start before starting the next
[12:40] <sylwek-ibmr50e> oh I see
[12:40] <sylwek-ibmr50e> very interesting, cleared up some things
[12:40] <sylwek-ibmr50e> so linux want to be ready at desktop, while windows is still loading stuff in the background
[12:43] <chris062689> How can I force an upgrade from 18.04.1 to 18.10? do-release-upgrade -d says I need to be running the latest version before upgrading?
[12:44] <Ool> perhaps do your update upgrade before ?
[12:44] <Ool> but I don't try, I only use LTS
[12:44] <pragmaticenigma> sylwek-ibmr50e: One thing I see in your post, are you mounting a windows partition or network share?
[12:44] <sylwek-ibmr50e> it's a windows partition, I added it to fstab
[12:44] <pragmaticenigma> !ubuntu+1 | chris062689
[12:45] <chris062689> Thank you.
[12:46] <pragmaticenigma> chris062689: Also note, 18.10 has not been released yet.
[12:53] <rfv> hey guys, I just upgraded to 18.04.1 LTS from 16.04 and the UI freezes after login - I tried all the recommended solutions on the interwebs, but nothing works? Would anyone be able to guide me through in order to get to a proper fix ? Thanks
[12:57] <jessarcade> @rfv I had a similar thing happen, ended up just doing a clean install, I was trying to see if during the install there would be an option to "repair" my 18.04 installation
[12:58] <rfv> @jessarcade did a clean install fix the issue?
[12:59] <jessarcade> @rfv I can boot into 18.04 and login like normally, but now grub doesn't launch, I have a dual boot with windows on my desktop, and it boots straight into ubuntu
[13:00] <lotus|NUC> rfv: are you using an nvidia card by any chance?
[13:02] <jessarcade> I am.
[13:02] <rfv> @lotus|NUC I think it's Intel integrated, lspci says Intel Corporation Xeon E301299
[13:03] <rfv> @jessarcade maybe you have GRUB_TIMEOUT set to 0 in /etc/default/grub ?
[13:04] <lotus|NUC> rfv: did you test xorg vs wayland login?
[13:04] <rfv> lotus|NUC: I have not, what's wayland ?
[13:05] <rfv> lotus|NUC: ah, I see, will give a try, thanks!
[13:05] <jessarcade> Since I basically already did a clean install last night, I'm thinking of just completely formatting the drive and installing again. But when it boots, the Grub CLI comes up without any options. I've run grub-install on my linux hard drive still won't boot into grub manager.
[13:07] <lotus|NUC> jessarcade: are you dualbooting or so?
[13:09] <jessarcade_> Trying to. Both my linux and windows installations are on seperate hard drives
[13:09] <lotus|NUC> jessarcade_: you used your existing partition perhaps for the new install?
[13:09] <gpunk> is the bios set to boot from the linux hdd?
[13:10] <jessarcade_> yeah, that's why I'm thinking a reformat would fix it
[13:10] <gpunk> you dont have to
[13:11] <rfv> @lotus|NUC that didn't work, the thing is that I can see apps starting up, like Skype etc. but besides moving the mouse around there's no way to do anything else
[13:12] <lotus|NUC> rfv: can you open a terminal?
[13:13] <jessarcade_> gpunk the bios has the linux drive as the primary boot, and I've been using boot selector to boot straight into ubuntu
[13:13] <rfv> lotus|NUC: yup, that I can do, though there's something wrong with the key presses as well as typing 'rfv' ends up as 'rrfffffffvvvvv' and is really annoying
[13:13] <gpunk> where is linux, /dev/sda or /dev/sdb ?
[13:13] <lotus|NUC> rfv: seems like things are badly scrambled..
[13:14] <jessarcade_> gpunk: /sda
[13:14] <lotus|NUC> rfv: try a: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade from terminal first
[13:14] <rfv> lotus|NUC: did that, nothing to upgrade
[13:15] <gpunk> what s the value of GRUB_TIMEOUT= in /etc/default/grub ?
[13:16] <jessarcade_> At work now so I can't check till I get home.
[13:16] <lotus|NUC> rfv: how about dmesg, see whats going on in there?
[13:18] <rfv> rfv: nothing, besides my asus wifi network adapter OOPS-ing, which is nothing new under the sun - same thing happened with 16.04 and I'm used to reconnecting the adapter every couple of hours. I think I need to look into a more stable distro
[13:19] <rfv> lotus|NUC: ^^ :)
[13:20] <lotus|NUC> rfv: you have external ppa's of any kind in your system?
[13:22] <rfv> @lotus|NUC quite a bunch, since this was an upgrade from 16.04
[13:23] <rfv> but apparently they have been disabled on upgrade
[13:24] <gpunk> jessarcade_: ok , make sure you do grub-install /dev/sda , then update-grub
[13:25] <mohabaks> hello folks am trying to execute a script after network start but it fails;I have the script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ on 18.04 LTS
[13:25] <lotus|NUC> rfv: if things got too scrambled, perhaps consider a clean install, 18.04 working like a charm here
[13:26] <jessarcade_> gpunk: will do
[13:27] <rfv> lotus|NUC: I was thinking I could get around that so I don't have to spend another day at least with backing up my data (yeah, I know, bad disk setup) and another half day re-doing my setup. I might end up doing that since that could potentially solve my wifi driver issue as well, either with clean 18.04 or some other distro
[13:29] <lotus|NUC> rfv: can you doublecheck if your on right kernel aswell mate?
[13:30] <rfv> @lotus|NUC 4.15.0-34
[13:30] <lotus|NUC> rfv: ok tnx looks right
[13:31] <lotus|NUC> rfv: what i would also try is a tail -f /var/log/syslog see whats going on in realtime with gnome..
[13:32] <lotus|NUC> rfv: maybe a full cleanup of ppa's, system with clean with bleachbit
[13:43] <XB23> hey guys, why wont this seem to run as a crontab as root
[13:43] <XB23> * * * * * /sbin/iptables-restore  < /etc/iptables.up.rules
[13:43] <XB23> if i run it manually, works great
[13:43] <XB23> but as a crontab .. no changes get made to iptablse
[13:46] <XB23> heh, syntax error in my file .. typial
[13:46] <XB23> working now
[13:46] <lotus|NUC> !yay
[13:49] <rfv> @lotus|NUC workspaces to dock gnome-shell extension was the culprit ... I removed that and it looks fine now
[13:52] <lotus|NUC> !yay | rfv
[13:52] <lotus|NUC> rfv: install preload also, it will give your system a lil boost too
[14:01] <mustmodify_> This is going to sound childish or whatever... but is there a way I can get `sudo service start servicename` to show a different error? I'm used to upstart's `sudo start servicename` so I keep typing the other backwards and it takes me a good 2 minutes to figure out why it isn't working.
[14:01] <mustmodify_> like " [14:04] <rfv> @lotus|NUC thanks for all the help! I'll look into installing preload as well ... it all started trying to figure out how to make a 2x2 workspaces grid
[14:06] <lotus|NUC> rfv: great!
[14:07] <lotus|NUC> mustmodify_: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[14:07] <mustmodify_> 18.04. :( Seems like all my troubles started with my upgrade.
[14:07] <mustmodify_> To be fair, I could have just switched back to upstart.
[14:08] <mustmodify_> Weird, though. I'm having all kinds of new networking, power management, and other issues.
[14:11] <lotus|NUC> !systemd | mustmodify_
[14:11] <mustmodify_> yep, I'm aware.
[14:11] <mustmodify_> But my question is whether I can somehow get systemd to help me out a bit with the transition, by creating a 'start' service that outputs an error message or something.
[14:12] <mustmodify_> Instead of the existing error, I'd like one that reminds me that 'start' is not a service. So I can reverse the word 'start' and the service name, and move on, rather than trying to figure out what's wrong (nothing) with the service.
[14:14] <mustmodify_> I'm asking in #systemd.
[14:20] <regdude> anyone noticed that Ubuntu sends LACPDUs out of bonding slaves using generated MAC addresses? Permanent HW addr shows up as generated one
[14:21] <Doow> Hi, I'm trying to enable tls in rabbit mq and I get the error: '/etc/rabbitmq/rabbitmq-env.conf: listeners.ssl.default: not found' for the line 'listeners.ssl.default = 0.0.0.0:5671' I'm not sure what not found is referring to here. Is it the tls module or the port? Or something that should be earlier in the config file?
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> Doow: You might want to try in #rabbitmq
[14:24] <Doow> pragmaticenigma, just got help there now, sorry to disturb you here.
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> Doow: It's quite alright, just doing what I can to help :-)
[14:26] <Mrokii> Hello. Does anybody know about problems with Thunderbird 60 on (K)ubuntu? I installed it but it keeps crashing when I try to start it.
[14:27] <lotus|NUC> Mrokii: wich kubuntu release are you on please?
[14:28] <Mrokii> lotus|NUC: 18.04
[14:28] <lotus|NUC> !latest | Mrokii
[14:29] <lotus|NUC> Mrokii: we advice to use specific package versions for your specific k(ubuntu) version
[14:29] <Mrokii> lotus|NUC: I installed Thunderbird via a supposedly stable repo, so I assume I have the correct version.
[14:29] <lotus|NUC> Mrokii: you can also try !backports or snap
[14:30] <lotus|NUC> Mrokii: you could ask the maintainer of that repo then perhaps
[14:30] <Mrokii> lotus|NUC: I'll take a look, but I don't like snaps, so I won't take that route. :)
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> Mrokii: The crashing is one of the reasons that the latest Thunderbird has not been released to any of the Ubuntu releases. Do note that any security patches have been applied.
[14:34] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: Okay thanks for the info. It's not that important, I guess I'll stay with 52 for the moment.
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> Mrokii: Sounds good. I'm very eager to see the next version be released, but have been stung too many times with attempting to get the latest. Now I just patiently wait.
[14:36] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: At least I was able to downgrade to 52 again without problems.
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> Mrokii: The interesting note is that the Windows version of Thunderbird does not auto update to 60. Which hints to me that there is a significant under the hood archetecture change that needs something similar to a fresh install
[14:38] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: Hopefully not, but given the changes, which sound substantial, who knows...
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Mrokii: The other part is the dependencies might be too new for other packages that use them. Important to avoid conflicts
[14:41] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: Yeah, well, too much headache for me at the moment. I'll wait and see. :D
[14:50] <drvy_> Hi, I was trying to install the nvidia propietary driver via de autoinstall, but with tha latest kernel (4.15.0-34.XX) I get a black screen during boot while with 4.15.0-29.31 it boots normally.. any suggestions? Thanks
[14:52] <aburka> in 16.04, is there a way to reverse scroll direction in Nautilus and Terminal when using a mouse? the "natural scrolling" setting works for a touchpad, and Xmodmap works for a mouse *almost everywhere*, but Terminal and Nautilus seem to ignore Xmodmap
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> drvy_: Are you using "apt" to install? Can you describe a little more detail on how you're attempting to install the driver?
[14:55] <drvy_> pragmaticenigma: Im using the "Software & Updates" Additional Drivers option, from what I'm able to get, it does install the nvidia-driver-390 (I have a GTX 1050) but after a reboot, I get a black screen unless I use "advanced boot options" and select the "older" kernel.
[14:56] <drvy_> btw, this is on a freshly installed 18.04
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> drvy_: Do you have any ppa installed?
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> or did you litterally just finish installing and go to install the nvidia drivers?
[14:58] <drvy_> Just the "canonical partners" enabled
[14:58] <drvy_> I install, update/upgrade, reboot, install from "Additional drivers" and reboot again
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> not familiar with that one... but I typically run the nvidia drivers from the Graphics Drivers team PPA. I know there have been lots of issues with nvidia drivers after upgrade and install... I don't know if this has helped anyone, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> drvy_: Just know that PPAs are at your own risk. This one I know has been solid for me personally.
[15:00] <drvy_> I guess I will try that PPA
[15:00] <lotus|NUC> drvy_: for the gtx cards we have seen good things on the ubuntu graphics drivers launchpad, latest 390 working better then the one from ubuntu repos
[15:01] <lotus|NUC> drvy_: gtx cards 1050 and 1060 also use the 396 from the ppa
[15:01] <lotus|NUC> drvy_: check what your system proposes with: ubuntu-drivers list
[15:02] <drvy_> lotus|NUC: it proposes 390
[15:03] <lotus|NUC> drvy_: ok try latest 390 from ubuntu graphics ppa
[15:03] <drvy_> ok, I will try that, thanks lotus|NUC and pragmaticenigma
[15:36] <flips> How change I change which tty gdm3/wayland tries to start on?
[15:37] <lotus|NUC> !tty | flips can this help?
[15:39] <bobdermeister> Hi, im going to do a clean 18.04 install on my XPS which came with 16.04 preinstalled
[15:39] <flips> lotus|NUC: not really, I'm trying to change waylaynd from starting on tty1
[15:39] <bobdermeister> is turning off secure boot necessary?
[15:40] <bobdermeister> and if someone has a XPS 9370, anything i need to toggle in bios before installing ubuntu?
[15:45] <antonm> bobdermeister: it's not necessary I'd still disable it though
[15:46] <bobdermeister> antonm can i enable it after the installation?
[15:47] <bobdermeister> would have stayed with my 18.04 upgraded from dell 16.04 image but their partitioning is weird, was having 8 partitions
[15:48] <antonm> bobdermeister: as far as I know you wouldn't be able to re-enable it
[15:48] <antonm> although secureboot's not really anything necessary
[15:48]  * antonm is away
[15:48] <MacroMan> Where can I find the systemd script for Apache in Ubuntu 18.04? It's not in /usr/lib/systemd/system/ as expected
[15:49] <MacroMan> Nor can I see it in /etc/systemd/system/
[16:00]  * antonm is back online
[16:01] <lotus|NUC> !away | antonm
[16:02] <gpunk> MacroMan: you looked in /etc/init.d/ ?
[16:02] <MacroMan> gpunk: I found it in the end: /lib/systemd/system/apache2.service
[16:03] <MacroMan> Thanks though
[16:03] <flips> So nobody here knows how to configure gdm/wayland to use alternate tty?
[16:08] <gpunk> man gdm3
[16:11] <flips> gpunk: Like I didn't check that man page ... I don't see the relevant info there
[16:11] <gpunk> i did see
[16:12] <flips> care to spoon feed me?
[16:14] <emilengler> join #python
[16:14] <gpunk> look in the files in /etc/gdm3/
[16:14] <flips> gpunk: I looked through all those files, not seeing tty nor VT defined
[16:18] <flips> and I also checked the gdm.schemas without seeing any seemingly relevant option
[16:19] <nacc> gpunk: if you aren't willing to provide a direct answer, it's better not to reply
[16:19] <gpunk> yes
[16:20] <nacc> flips: https://wiki.debian.org/GDM mentions FirstVT, but that also isn't the file on ubuntu (it's custom.conf, afaict)
[16:21] <gpunk> it s here: /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[16:22] <gpunk> man logind.conf
[16:23] <nacc> gpunk: are you sure? i'm not sure gdm reads that, or cares where your login ttys are (the conf file refers to replacing getty1 specifically
[16:25] <flips> nacc: Probably FirstVT in [daemon] section of custom.conf, I guess, then ... thanks. I'd think logind.conf is not very relevant
[16:26] <nacc> flips: i'm not sure that's used either, tbh, but it's something to try. gdm3 is also systemd controlled, and i wonder if there are tweaks available in the unit file, but not sure
[16:27] <nacc> flips: there are some debug commands in here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802335
[16:27] <nacc> which might be useful to run
[16:28] <nacc> flips: you might also ask in #gnome ?
[16:28] <nacc> flips: as i don't think it's ubuntu specific, technically
[16:35] <flips> will read/try those, thanks :)
[16:38] <nacc> flips: good luck
[16:59] <Sven_vB> what's a good app to track (expectation, usage, deviation) resources that change based on calendars (e.g. weekly, with exceptions for holidays; types could be electricity and water consumption, workhours for several projects, nutrition)?
[17:01] <nacc> Sven_vB: a spreadsheet? :)
[17:02] <Sven_vB> nacc, I tried that, it got so complicated I wrote a bash script instead, but now that the calendar rules grow, I hope there are more elegant ways.
[17:02] <nacc> Sven_vB: dunno that there is such an app in ubuntu, you might need to google around for a web app
[17:02] <Sven_vB> or maybe my spreadsheet app just wasn't good enough?
[17:03] <nacc> Sven_vB: well, or your spreadsheet-fu :) not sure why it would get complicated based upon what you described as needing
[17:03] <nacc> Sven_vB: if you want it to be automagic, then a spreadsheet probably isn't the right choice
[17:03] <nacc> Sven_vB: but you only mentioned tracking, which implies manual to me :)
[17:03] <Sven_vB> yeah I'd like to feed text files from my existing sensors
[17:03] <nacc> Sven_vB: how do your sensors know about work hours?
[17:04] <nacc> Sven_vB: so it sounds like more of a problem of data munging, then actual data tracking.
[17:04] <Sven_vB> in that case it wouldn't be a sensor, it would be a sed script that transforms my lab notebook.
[17:05] <nacc> Sven_vB: right, i'm not sure there is going to be some app that does this already
[17:05] <Sven_vB> yeah maybe a spread sheet app could actually do it if I learn to write macros for the import
[17:05] <nacc> right, that's the bit you need to automate, i guess
[17:05] <nacc> Sven_vB: good luck! :)
[17:05] <Sven_vB> but at that stage it's probably easier to write my own web app.
[17:05] <Sven_vB> thanks :)
[17:13] <mustmodify_> What does this line from syslog mean?
[17:13] <mustmodify_> Sep 27 12:11:48 logopolis ntpd[1421]: 45.79.111.114 local addr 192.168.254.16 -> <null>
[17:14] <nplus> Hi, I have Ubuntu bionic installed with the uefi shim + secure boot (dual boot with Windows) and after some updates, when I boot to Ubuntu, I just get a black screen
[17:14] <nplus> any ideas? anything I should confirm?
[17:15] <trafaret1> hi there
[17:15] <trafaret1> how to remap standart keyboard in ubuntu?
[17:17] <nplus> sda3 has a uefi boot partition with 2 boot items: ubuntu and windows. boot priority is ubuntu (the shim I believe) that points to sdc1 where the main grub configs are with the menu options to boot into Ubuntu or Windows. I no longer get the Grub menu, just a black screen
[17:43] <ubuntutr> how i can send email in ubuntu
[17:48] <Jordan_U> ubuntutr: Do you want to use webmail (like http://gmail.com ) or do you want to use an application that sends / receives email via POP / IMAP?
[17:49] <ubuntutr> no in ubuntu terminaþ
[17:49] <ubuntutr> terminal
[17:50] <ducasse> are you talking about running a mail transport agent (mta), like postfix?
[17:50] <coconut> ubuntutr: someone already gave you answers on your question a few days ago.
[17:52] <Burkeburke> Hi guys - anyone knows a bit about mendeley? Starting mendeleydesktop gets me some missing GLIPCXX and other missing requirements - which seem to be installed, though: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8YhhQ45bvS/
[17:53] <nacc> Burkeburke: it's a version mismatch
[17:53] <nacc> Burkeburke: it is looking for specific GLIBC (ABI) versions, and not finding them
[17:54] <nacc> Burkeburke: specifically, libqt5  in the application is built againsta  different libc, it seems. you need to talk to mendeley not ubuntu
[17:55] <Burkeburke> hm, weird
[17:56] <Burkeburke> I feared as much.
[17:57] <nacc> Burkeburke: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[17:57] <Burkeburke> So it is possible, that I will not be able to run mendeley any more in general on my 14.04 machine?
[17:57] <freezer> hi, any clue if a NVIDIA GT 1030 will be fast running Ubuntu desktop, Firefox web browsing etc?
[17:57] <nacc> Burkeburke: they only provide a 16.04 and a 'generic linux' version, afaict
[17:57] <Burkeburke> unless I fiddle with my libc?
[17:57] <nacc> Burkeburke: dunno, sorry
[17:58] <Burkeburke> okay, unfortunate
[17:58] <ducasse> don't fiddle with libc, it doesn't like it
[17:58] <freezer> or is there any dedicated GPU better suited?
[17:58] <Burkeburke> I tried to roll back to a previous version, which seemed not to work. Probably because the former versions were not available any more
[17:58] <freezer> i just want blazing fast desktop, browsing, video watching etc.
[17:59] <Burkeburke> ducasse, I thought so. There is a reason I use LTS, I dont want to mess with those things :D
[17:59] <ducasse> messing with libs is a great way to screw up your installation
[18:00] <ducasse> *libc
[18:02] <ejr> i am running ubuntu 16.04 with libglibg version 2.48, but i need at least version 2.53 (e.g. that of bionic). what is the most conflict-free way to upgrade it without upgrading the entire system to 18.04?
[18:02] <ejr> *libglib
[18:02] <nacc> ejr: there is no supported way to do that
[18:03] <nacc> ejr: why do you need the newer liblibg ?
[18:03] <ejr> nacc: the wm i want to use (i3 gaps) requires it
[18:03] <nacc> ejr: i3 is in 16.04
[18:03] <ejr> nacc: what if i download the newer version from a mirror and install it via dpkg -i? would that break my system?
[18:03] <nacc> ejr: so you mean some i3 that is not in ubuntu?
[18:03] <ejr> nacc: yes, but not i3 gaps
[18:04] <nacc> ejr: i don't know what that is. So some non-ubuntu thing wants some non-ubuntu package? :)
[18:04] <ejr> it's merely that updated package that is missing for i3 gaps to work on 16.04
[18:04] <nacc> ejr: i doubt it is 'merely' that, but ok. you can look in PPAs.
[18:04] <nacc> ejr: but also not supported here
[18:04] <ejr> nacc: yeah, i guess PPAs would be a way...
[18:04] <nacc> ejr: there is no supported way to do wht you want, though.
[18:04] <nacc> ejr: why not just run 18.04 if you want to run this thing?
[18:06] <ejr> nacc: i am on trisquel, of which the latest version is based on 16.04
[18:06] <nacc> ejr: so you're asking for support for an unsupported os too
[18:06] <ejr> and i'd rather stay with trisquel as it gives me the package base of ubuntu without non-free software
[18:06] <nacc> ejr: please talk to your os for support
[18:06] <ejr> nacc: well, it is based on ubuntu so i figure the procedure for an upgrade of the package is the same
[18:06] <nacc> ejr: no.
[18:07] <ejr> kk
[18:07] <nacc> ejr: and further this is the official support channel for ubuntu, not for things based upon ubuntu.
[18:10] <ejr> nacc: ok, thanks, i didn't know that asking questions when they are related to the base of a distro is not allowed in that channel
[18:10] <ejr> i understand why though
[18:14] <ducasse> ejr: there is a repo with updated i3 packages for ubuntu, check if there is one for i3 gaps
[18:14] <ducasse> ejr: ask in #i3
[18:14] <coconut> ejr: only for some flavours, but no trisquel...
[18:15] <nacc> trisquel is not a flavor, it's a fork
[18:17] <coconut> well, i only knew it was no official flavour. (url from !flavours)
[18:23] <paws> https://pastebin.com/TRsHw6sn <-- i have this bash ftp script, but is there any way that i can show the progress of the file.. like how much % it uploaded?
[18:24] <nacc> paws: 'hash' or 'tick' ftp commands
[18:24] <outoftime> I have low-graphics mode message.
[18:27] <paws> nacc: i am very new to this.. what do you mean by hash or tick? how do i implement that to my bash script?
[18:28] <nacc> paws: it has nothing to do with bash, they are ftp commandshttps://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/FTP-3.html
[18:29] <nacc> paws: also your comment in line 2 is false, the path is hardcoded in your script. In the future, I think you want to consult that howto, and if you have a bash question, use #bash
[18:29] <paws> nacc: but i connect to my ftp with a bash script so i do not have to re-enter my login crentials every time
[18:30] <nacc> paws: that's nice? read the link i provided.
[18:30] <nacc> paws: using scripts to avoid security is not a great system.
[18:59] <tripelb> I have an HP probook 455 G3 laptop (near as I can figure a radeon graphics card) and I just cannot get it to boot the ubuntu usb. I get as far as a choice to try or install ubuntu and after I choose it goes black. (I have looked at a "screen goes black" webpage written at the time of Ub16, which also mentions 12. ##techsupport mentioned it last night.) I have looked here and there. Please help
[18:59] <tripelb> me. I have been on this for 2 weeks. I want to dual boot.
[19:02] <outoftime> I have tried to build nvidia-304 and had errors https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pzVXnbdFYY/
[19:03] <frecklealex> Is gnome tweak tools still the simplest way to swap CTRL and Caps Lock in 18.04?
[19:03] <nacc> tripelb: did you try booting the installer with 'nomodeset' ?
[19:03] <lotus|NUC> frecklealex: you could also checkout dconf-editor to tweak settings
[19:03] <nacc> outoftime: nvidia-304 doesn't support the later kernel
[19:04] <nacc> outoftime: why are you doing it by hand and why are you trying to use an unsupported nvidia driver?
[19:04] <nacc> frecklealex: i would say so, yes
[19:05] <outoftime> nacc: I'm installing nvidia-current on 16.04
[19:05] <outoftime> nacc: should I try to install 340?
[19:06] <nacc> outoftime: oh sorry, i saw the kernel version, let me look
[19:06] <JohK> hi
[19:06] <JohK> how do I get snap apps to work when my home is sylinked to a different drive?
[19:06] <nacc> outoftime: LP: #1737750
[19:06] <lotus|NUC> outoftime: current is not the way to go anymore
[19:06] <nacc> JohK: #snappy
[19:07] <JohK> thx
[19:07] <outoftime> lotus|NUC: so I have to try 340?
[19:09] <Kali_Yuga> hello, I boot into initramfs for some reason?. this happend once already and I reintstalled but the error popped up again 2 days later. I get the message '/dev/mapper/kubuntu --vg-root requires a manual fsck. fsck exited with status code 4'
[19:09] <lotus|NUC> outoftime: what does ubuntu-drivers list proposes for your system?
[19:09] <outoftime> lotus|NUC: where I can find it?
[19:09] <lotus|NUC> outoftime: from a terminal
[19:10] <outoftime> lotus|NUC: 340
[19:11] <frecklealex> nacc: thanks!
[19:12] <lotus|NUC> outoftime: if thats what ubuntu suggests for your card
[19:13]  * outoftime have urgent video call, can not continue for half an hour
[19:13] <lotus|NUC> outoftime: did you test nomodeset as nacc suggested?
[19:14] <Bare7a> Hello, I am trying to setup a PPTPD Server on ubuntu but for some reason I cannot connect successfully (it gets right if the user is authorized right or not, but the connection closes right after it)
[19:14] <Bare7a> Here is a log file, can someone please troubleshoot me :/
[19:14] <Bare7a> https://pastebin.com/5yW0Y87e
[19:15] <bray90820_> I have a 13 inch backbook pro from 2011 which i am thinking of running ubunt on it since the newist MacOS is now obsolete on it would you recomed that or should I buy a new laptop to run it?
[19:16] <bray90820_> *Macbook pro
[19:17] <lotus|NUC> bray90820_: ive installed 18.04.1 on a macbook pro recently, all worked like a charm
[19:17] <Kali_Yuga> hello, I boot into initramfs for some reason?. this happend once already and I reintstalled but the error popped up again 2 days later. I get the message '/dev/mapper/kubuntu --vg-root requires a manual fsck. fsck exited with status code 4'
[19:17] <bray90820_> lotus|NUC: What year of Macbook pro
[19:17] <tripelb> Congrats lotus|NUC I am totally stuck on thie HP win10
[19:19] <lotus|NUC> tripelb: ?
[19:19] <lotus|NUC> bray90820_: cant recall sorry
[19:20] <bray90820_> Did it have a CD drive?
[19:20] <lotus|NUC> bray90820_: no
[19:20] <bray90820_> Alright then my next question about how the trackpad work doesn't need to be asked
[19:20] <lotus|NUC> bray90820_: try a liveusb 18.04.1 on it, findout if your hardware works on it
[19:22] <bray90820_> That runs into the issue about not knowing how things wok with a reboot
[19:22] <lotus|NUC> !uefi | tripelb read here first
[19:22] <lotus|NUC> bray90820_: pardon?
[19:23] <bray90820_> I wanted to modify a few things and see how it worked when I rebooted but I can't do that with a live CD
[19:24] <lotus|NUC> bray90820_: before you modify things, try your hardware first, if it works==physical install and modify things then?
[19:25] <bray90820_> I guess idk
[19:40] <StatelessCat> Hi
[19:40] <StatelessCat> I have issue on Ubuntu startup caused by an old Fedora installation, can I ask here my question?
[19:46] <StatelessCat> Here is a screenshot of Gparted on my two Drives: https://imgur.com/a/GGR15xh
[19:47] <StatelessCat> I have installed Fedora, and now I'm using a dual boot with windows on my /dev/sbd, Ubuntu on my /dev/sda, some tinies partitions at the beginning of each drive. And not sure where the grub is. And now each time Ubuntu starts, I got stuck a few minutes on "a start job is running for dev-mapper-fedora\x2dswap.device...
[19:47] <StatelessCat> (sorry for my english...)
[19:48] <StatelessCat> $mount give me nothing about these old fedora partitions/ whatever this is
[19:49] <StatelessCat> I googled this, and it seems this is related to something in one of my MBR (but I don't know whitch one), and related to LVM
[19:49] <StatelessCat> Where do you think I need to start to get rid of this? thanks
[19:51] <nacc> StatelessCat: is there a swap entry in your /etc/fstab ?
[19:53] <Piraty> is anyone familliar with the ubiquity software design and can help me out understanding the part where eficvars are handled , boot order in particular. i have a piece of hardware that reportedly does run a regularly installed ubuntu, and i fails to install another distro (more manual way)
[20:07] <StatelessCat> nacc: yes i have a swap entry
[20:08] <StatelessCat> nacc: and I have "/dev/mapper/fedora-swap none            swap    sw              0       0" I think this is the line that is causing my issue, right?
[20:08] <Sbur3> I found a motherboard based on the X299 LGA2066. But where do I go to find out if Linux would work with it?
[20:09] <StatelessCat> Sbur3: Google "<name of the motherboard> + <linux>" ?
[20:10] <StatelessCat> Sbur3: https://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ ?
[20:10] <Sbur3> StatelessCat I did that. Actually, I didn’t use the « + » and chose Ubuntu instead of Linux. I’ll try again
[20:12] <StatelessCat> Sbur3: usually when i do search for compatibility i use ("ubuntu" OR "linux") to match one of the two keyword
[20:12] <StatelessCat> for example: Asus GL502VM ("ubuntu" OR "linux")
[20:14] <marcogmonteiro> hi guys, I have a new laptop that has 2 disks, one I have windows 10 in it, and I have another one the SSD that I'm trying to put ubuntu in, I do the install, select the normal install along side windows option and select that second disk, but I'm always getting error loading the grub.
[20:14] <marcogmonteiro> I just ran the boot-repair tool via live usb
[20:14] <marcogmonteiro> and this was the result https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BPfD4dQvYr/
[20:15] <marcogmonteiro> if anyone can offer some know how on this I would really appreciate that, because im kinda lost, never had this happening to me :(
[20:20] <nacc> StatelessCat: ... yes
[20:20] <nacc> StatelessCat: does that disk actually exist? if not, comment or remove that line
[20:23] <Futurian> Are you trying to boot from /dev/sda or /dev/mmcblk1?
[20:25] <marcogmonteiro> Futurian I set my boot order in bios to Ubuntu first so I guess sda
[20:26] <Futurian> Guess?
[20:26] <nacc> marcogmonteiro: they are completely different device types
[20:27] <Futurian> It's important. Do you have more than one disk in that bad boy?
[20:27] <Futurian> Yeah, re-read..
[20:27] <marcogmonteiro> Futurian yes the computer had some internal memory 64 GB that's kinda like a SDcard, but it had a slot to put and SSD in
[20:27] <marcogmonteiro> so I did
[20:28] <marcogmonteiro> and installed ubuntu on the SSD (that is the 120GB one)
[20:28] <Futurian> K, would guess that the external would be /dev/sda in this case..
[20:28] <marcogmonteiro> it is
[20:28] <Futurian> Lol "guess"..
[20:29] <Futurian> Boot options in your BIOS then?
[20:30] <StatelessCat> nacc: ty. How can i know if "/dev/mapper/fedora-swap none            swap    sw              0       0" exists? Using gparted and fdisk i don't see anything with "fedora" .
[20:30] <Futurian> Erm, no, cause your getting a grub repair / recovery menu right?
[20:30] <Futurian> So, yeah, definitely something in grub.cfg in my mind..
[20:31] <Futurian> blkid
[20:31] <marcogmonteiro> bios is pretty limited on this laptop... all I can do is enable or disable fast boot (its disable btw) and set a new boot order. so I set ubuntu to 1st entry then windows
[20:31] <marcogmonteiro> you want to see the output of blkid?
[20:32] <Futurian> Put that in a shell and make sure the disk ID's match grub.cfg
[20:33] <marcogmonteiro> this is the output of blkid http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B2FJY5mtnD/
[20:35] <Futurian> K, might be a bit out of my depth, but might try /dev/sda3 into grub.cfg if not using efi.
[20:36] <Futurian> You'll want the blkid
[20:36] <nacc> StatelessCat: do you see it on your system when booted? if not, comment it out.
[20:36] <nacc> StatelessCat: that's the first thing to do.
[20:43] <StatelessCat> nacc: thanks for the help
[20:51] <dbff2> programming interview book suggestions?
[20:51] <outoftime> nacc: here
[20:51] <outoftime> nacc: http://termbin.com/wr8b for nvidia-340
[20:53] <outoftime> nacc: same error as for 304
[20:54] <leonardus> Is there a way to change the scrolling speed?
[20:56] <leonardus> Nevermind, I did it within firefox.
[20:57] <elichai2> hey, something weird started happening lately, I set my headphones to default and play something, but if I pause it for a few seconds and then resume it goes back to the speakers until I make *them* default and afterwards I reset the headphones to default, any ideas?
[20:57] <elichai2> I'm using indicator-sound-switcher to change default device
[21:02] <xgpt> hello! I am curious if I could get a clarification on package updating guidelines/procedures! I am currently running Xenial, which is still under support as far as I can tell. Will I see an update perhaps to the package "wordgrinder"? It has been updated, and is currently in "Universe". This update brings with it a more stable file format update that will allow saves to be moved from a binary format that
[21:02] <xgpt> icks me to a plain text file format that makes me feel much more safe with my precious writing tasks (the bulk of my work on a computer)
[21:02] <xgpt> Package: wordgrinder
[21:02] <xgpt> Version: 0.6-3build1
[21:02] <xgpt> Priority: optional
[21:02] <xgpt> Section: universe/editors
[21:02] <xgpt> Origin: Ubuntu
[21:03] <xgpt> Sorry, Meant to put that in a single line!
[21:04] <nacc> xgpt: update in what sense?
[21:04] <nacc> dbff2: wrong channel
[21:07] <xgpt> nacc, which channel would be correct then? just telling newbies that they are in the wrong channel is not helpful for anyone.
[21:07] <tripelb> I have a born in 2016 HP laptop Probook455G3 to be exact and following everything I have found I fail to boot off the usb drive. I suppose this is more an HP problem than an #ubuntu problem but I am stymied. --from what I understand it has to do with the radion card needing special drivers. Perhaps I could make a persistent usb installation that has those drivers? (I havent done that and I have
[21:07] <tripelb> this awkward win10 install. Can I do that at the library which has earlier windows?) --  any one have any ideas that I can use.  -> also I cannot get into the check for Legacy boot order (greyed out) even though I have done Disable Secure boot and Enable Legacy Boot.  Any help appreciated.
[21:08] <nacc> !alis | dbff2
[21:08] <nacc> xgpt: it is not my job to find a channel for someone, when there are tools for doing so. Asking for books about programming int he ubuntu support channel is offtopic.
[21:08] <xgpt> nacc: I'm looking to see if 0.6-3 will update to the new 0.7.1 update per
[21:08] <xgpt> [#ubuntu] e if 0.6-3 will update to the new 0.7.1 update per
[21:08] <xgpt> http://cowlark.com/wordgrinder/
[21:09] <nacc> xgpt: no, major release updates almost never happen
[21:09] <nacc> xgpt: especially to stuff in universe
[21:09] <nacc> you could see if it is in backports, or do it yourself there
[21:09] <nacc> or in a PPA
[21:09] <xgpt> nacc: how would I check to see if there is a PPA or if it's in backports?
[21:09] <Futurian> xpgt: maybe #ubuntu-dev if it exists? Many packages in Ubuntu are not bleeding edge and possibly with good reason.
[21:09] <nacc> xgpt: 0.7.1 is in 18.04 and 18.10
[21:10] <xgpt> is there a way to just pull down that specific package?
[21:10] <nacc> Futurian: no, #ubuntu-devel is for development of ubuntu, not for SRU requests.
[21:10] <nacc> !ppa | xgpt
[21:10] <nacc> !backports | xgpt
[21:10] <nacc> !sru | xgpt: and for the reason it won't happen in general:
[21:10] <Futurian> Good point, using latest release certainly helps.. lol.
[21:12] <nacc> xgpt: and no, you should not mix releases.
[21:13] <Futurian> xgpt : do-release-upgrade.. But ffs, so a backup with Clonezilla or similar first.
[21:13] <xgpt> thanks nacc ubottu thanks
[21:14] <xgpt> lk
[21:16] <nacc> xgpt: yw
[21:53] <oft_gegong> oh no, Manjaro is taking over the linux community by storm. What will Ubuntu do!
[22:03] <elichai2> I don't get what people find in Manjaro, it's just Arch with questionable repositories
[23:09] <outoftime> I have strange behavior. When I'm booting my Ubuntu 16.04.5 there are chance that I have low-graphics mode and my wifi card is not recognized.
[23:22] <kaddi> hi, could anyone explain to me how domain resolution and search domains work on ubuntu? I have a VPN that adds two search domains to /etc/resolv.conf but only the first one is being read/used. The second isn't.
[23:22] <kaddi> The same VPN client works fine on debian testing
[23:23] <ryuo> kaddi: search domains only matter for single labels. are you using those?
[23:23] <kaddi> ryuo: yes. Eg I have one called hercules on one network and the other called zeus on the second. hercules works, zeus doesn't
[23:23] <kaddi> I can ping the IP directly and resolve the full path like zeus.int.test.com
[23:29] <ryuo> kaddi: does 'zeus' exist in the first search domain?
[23:30] <kaddi> ryuo: no
[23:30] <kaddi> @ryuo all names are unique
[23:30] <ryuo> kaddi: can you paste your resolv.conf?
[23:30] <ryuo> according to the man page, it should try them in the order given by the config file...
[23:31] <ryuo> until a match is found.
[23:31] <kaddi> myrti@myri:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[23:31] <kaddi> nameserver 10.2.2.7
[23:31] <kaddi> nameserver 10.2.2.8
[23:31] <kaddi> search spts.***.edu sptsn.***.edu
[23:31] <kaddi> replaced our domain with ***
[23:31] <kaddi> zeus would be on sptsn, herucles on spts
[23:32] <outoftime> kaddi: !paste
[23:32] <bencc> how can I recursively delete all files inside something/ directory?
[23:32] <bencc> It could be /parent/sub/something/file.txt or /parent/sub1/sub2/something/file2.txt
[23:32] <kaddi> rm takes -r for recursive
[23:32] <ryuo> bencc: rm has a -r option for recursive.
[23:33] <rfm> kaddi, is systemd-resolved being used?  ("sudo systemctl status systemd-resolved.service" and look for "active"..)
[23:33] <bencc> yes but I only want to delete "something/*" and "something" could be in multiple subdirectoris
[23:33] <outoftime> bencc: rm -r */**/<pattern>
[23:33] <bencc> outoftime: what is "*/**/<pattern>" ?
[23:34] <kaddi> rfm: yes it seems resolved is running:    Active: active (running) since Tue 2018-09-25 17:50:59 CDT; 2 days ago
[23:34] <outoftime> bencc: */**/ means any path
[23:34] <bencc> outoftime: that's not what I need
[23:34] <bencc> I think
[23:35] <rfm> kaddi, I have to admit I do not understand when/where any changes to resolv.conf get picked up by resolved, it's possible resolved isn't seeing changes after it started.
[23:35] <outoftime> bencc: you have /parrent/**/something/*.txt
[23:36] <rfm> kaddi, you could try "sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service" after connectiing the vpn and see if it starts working
[23:36] <ryuo> rfm: how is resolved relevant? most software gets its DNS info from resolv.conf, and it's definitely not using resolved.
[23:36] <kaddi> rfm: it picks them up to some extend. neither spts nor sptsn exist before i fire up the vpn.. Then afdterwards it sees spts but not sptsn
[23:36] <bencc> outoftime: maybe: "find . -wholename '*/something/*' -delete"
[23:36] <ryuo> if it was, it'd probably have a localhost as nameserver.
[23:37] <ryuo> instead it has some DNS server in a private network.
[23:37] <kaddi> rfm: it doesn't change after a restart
[23:37] <rfm> ryuo, yeah, if resolved was being invoked it would have 127.0.0.53 as nameserver
[23:37] <outoftime> bencc: try `echo /parent/**/something/`
[23:38] <ryuo> rfm: i personally have disabled resolved on some ubuntu systems due to how it chooses to handle DNS.
[23:39] <ryuo> mostly due to there being no option to force it to do lookups sequentially.
[23:40] <rfm> ryuo, yes, I turned it off on my server too because of mysterious behavior (that machine already runs a full bind server, anyway)
[23:40] <ryuo> kaddi: not sure how to help you, but i've never used multiple search domains.
[23:40] <ryuo> kaddi: if it's that big of a problem, perhaps you can try using a DNS proxy that can do what you want.
[23:41] <kaddi> yeah it's not really my choice, since this is just how the network is set up :p But it would be nice to get it to work since zeus.int.test.uni.edu is quite a bit to type ;)
[23:41] <kaddi> I'll look into setting up a proxy..
[23:42] <kaddi> it's just weird since this seems to be a ubuntu issue as it's working on debian and on SL6
[23:42] <rfm> kaddi, might be interesting to look at the output of "host -v zeus" which will show the steps as it resolves...
[23:42] <ryuo> kaddi: not sure. it could be a glibc bug as resolv.conf is primarily read by it.
[23:42] <kaddi> which is why I'm confused.. then I tried to look into DNS in ubuntu and I just got scared :p It has changed so much in recent years
[23:42] <ryuo> kaddi: yea... if you use private DNS servers, resolved is a nightmare.
[23:43] <kaddi> rfm: it just says "Trying zeus.spts.***.edu;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[23:43] <kaddi> it never tries sptsn
[23:43] <kaddi> ryuo: but resolv.conf is still the primary file? because i've seen posts online claiming it should be a symlink to some file in systemd/resolved/something
[23:44] <sonicwind> join #ubuntu-discuss
[23:44] <outoftime> When I'm booting my Ubuntu 16.04.5 there are chance that I have graphics and wifi card is not recognized.
[23:44] <sonicwind> oops
[23:44] <B0g4r7> I'm using ubuntu 18.04 in "try ubuntu" mode (live).  For some reason it's not letting me install some packages.  Is there a fix?
[23:44] <ryuo> kaddi: yes. that's a file resolved uses to tell "legacy" software to use it.
[23:44] <B0g4r7> sudo apt install microcom -- "E: Unable to locate package microcom"
[23:44] <B0g4r7> Some packages install, like openssh-server installed fine.
[23:44] <ryuo> i personally disable resolved. it may eventually become usable, but for now it's just a nuisance.
[23:45] <kaddi> ryuo: thanks. Unfortunately I've gotta run. But you've been most helpful :)
[23:45] <outoftime> B0g4r7: you have to setup ppa for your package
[23:45] <kaddi> if you have a link on how to disable it (safely), I'd be interested :)
[23:45] <ryuo> kaddi: yea... it's simple.
[23:45] <ryuo> kaddi: replace /etc/resolv.conf symlink and then do systemctl disable systemd-resolved
[23:45] <ryuo> that's all.
[23:45] <kaddi> it's not currently a symlink, I just saw that it's supposed to be :D
[23:45] <ryuo> resolved's extra functionality isn't relevant to most.
[23:46] <kaddi> I'll try that once I get back :)
[23:46] <kaddi> thanks!
[23:46] <B0g4r7> outoftime, that sounds about right.  I guess I need to apt-add-repository foo.  I'm just not sure what foo should be.
[23:48] <Bashing-om> B0g4r7: Also, make sure 'universe' repo is enabled in software sources .
[23:50] <outoftime> B0g4r7: looks like it is part of universe https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/microcom/2016.01.0-1build2
[23:51] <B0g4r7> Bashing-om, that did the trick, thx.  I couldn't quite find how to change that from the commandline, but I found it in the gui.
[23:51] <B0g4r7> Now microcom is successfully installed.
[23:51] <Bashing-om> B0g4r7: :)
[23:52] <outoftime> When I'm booting my Ubuntu 16.04.5 there are chance that I have graphics and wifi card not recognized.