[17:55] <Helenah> How come ppa.launchpad.net is done?
[17:55] <Helenah> *down
[17:55] <Helenah> Can I have an alternate address please?
[17:56] <Helenah> This is frequent...
[17:59] <teward> Helenah: how do you know it's "down"?
[17:59] <Helenah> I don't really
[18:00] <Helenah> Either way
[18:00] <Helenah> I need an alternate address
[19:09] <nacc> Helenah: what do you mean by 'alternate address'?
[19:26] <Helenah> nacc: Well... there is some fluky node
[19:26] <Helenah> around here, out of my control
[19:26] <Helenah> So I'd like an alternative address to the PPA server
[19:32] <teward> LP timeouts on launchpad.net/ubuntu - OOPS-85c744bff89cd439dc48678479027349
[19:32] <teward> Helenah: I don't think there's an alternative address for it
[19:32] <teward> since there's only one IP address assigned to it, I don't think there's alternate servers/addressees
[19:33] <teward> but that's an LP Admin question
[19:34] <teward> Helenah: and by 'fluky node' what do you mean?
[19:34] <teward> if you mean some point between you and the PPA servers an alternate address won't help
[19:36] <Helenah> teward: There are several fluky nodes that belong to my ISP
[19:36] <Helenah> and it's a nightmare when trying to administrate things
[19:38] <teward> Helenah: then there's nothing you can do
[19:38] <teward> alt address or not
[19:38] <teward> and you're out of luck
[19:38] <teward> if the "fluky nodes" are out of your control an alternate address won't solve the problem
[19:38] <Helenah> So what do I need to be doing?
[19:38] <Helenah> Cause... I'm considering a switch over to Debian
[19:39] <teward> yelling at your ISP is what you should be doing
[19:39] <Helenah> That fixes nothing
[19:39] <teward> since the ISP's bad nodes in the network chain are at fault
[19:39] <teward> Helenah: neither does switching to Debian - same fluky nodes problem
[19:40] <Helenah> Like... I learned in this life that you can yell and scream all you want but your voice wont get heard.
[19:40] <Helenah> Debians repos work though
[19:40] <Helenah> like always
[19:40] <teward> so do Ubuntu - PPAs aren't official repos :p
[19:40] <teward> and there's no PPAs for Debian if you need custom packages
[19:40] <Helenah> Agreed
[19:41] <Helenah> I have issues with Ubuntu repos too though sometimes
[19:41] <Helenah> and when I traceroute, things get stuck on ISP nodes
[19:42] <teward> again, ISP problem.  Up to you whether you use Ubuntu or not, but ther'es nothing *we* can do to help you
[19:42] <teward> Helenah: have you tried looking for a local repo mirror
[19:42] <teward> one that might be more 'accessible' by your ISP?
[19:42] <Helenah> I could do
[19:43] <teward> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors might be prudent
[19:43] <teward> a whole list of them
[19:43] <teward> some are not up to date though
[22:01] <nacc> Helenah: teward's point is that if you tried to route to the ppa in debian, it's the same issue.
[22:01] <nacc> Helenah: that's the only thing to diagnose, so 1) fix the ISP, 2) switch ISP, 3) don't use PPAs.