=== CoJaBo_ is now known as CoJaBo [00:56] Hi all. I tried to install (k)ubuntu 18.04 to a usb flash drive but its unusably slow. The install itself took a couple of hours and it takes about 15 minutes just to boot to login. After logging in, I haven't bothered waiting long enough to wait for the desktop to load (+30mins...) [00:56] how old is your machine ? [00:56] The drive is USB 3 and I was hoping it would be fast enough to use [00:56] Fairly recent, its a Dell XPS 13 I bought a year ago. It has 2x usb 3.0 and 1x thunderbolt [00:57] OK. I was more checking for RAM capacity [00:57] 1 year old is fine [00:58] maybe the kernel somehow is not setup to use the usb3 and ou end up with very low usb1 controller speed or worse... [00:58] did you try using a usb2 drive ? [00:59] I used a USB2 live install disk to do the installtion to the USB3 drive and that seemed reasonably fast [00:59] But I don't have a USB2 drive big enough to do a full install on [01:00] I see. I don't know much of latest ubuntu/kernels unfortunately. Connected to get some help with a boot issue when using Nvidia drivers [01:00] I am very rusted (no issues in ~9years when I used my previous PC). I can't even find some key logs ! [01:00] good old nvidia trouble [01:01] scour the xorg log for errors, copy and paste into google, waste X hours etc etc [01:02] though tbh ive had a mostly decent experience with nvidia drivers [01:04] the xorg log is not present anywhere [01:04] I have an old xorg.log in ~username/.local/share/xorg/* [01:04] but not correct date [01:05] I removed those old ones, restarted : no X logs [01:05] so somehow X is not even loaded [01:05] but I can't find any error anywhere (no errors in /var/log/syslog, nor kern.log, nor systemctl -xb) [01:06] I am stuck: no log, no error... [01:08] I don't remember exactly what to do but what happens if you try to start x manually? [01:08] Also maybe the logs are now part of journalctl? [01:08] or journald or whatever its called [01:08] apt-get purge Nvidia* , reboot, hop I get a gnome session. But I am on nouveau [01:09] can't use a video editing software that I have with that [01:09] and I get back Xorg log in my user. So I am using X11 [01:21] help [01:22] Ookma-Kyi: please ask your question [01:22] I need to undo this: sudo ln -s /etc/nginx/sites-available/example.com /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/ [01:22] qwebirc22304: what shows ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ? [01:23] Ookma-Kyi: rm /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/example.com [01:23] ok ty [01:23] as root, so, sudo it [01:49] ok anyone here know how to stop certbot from servicing my previous domain? [01:52] Ookma-Kyi: i think it uses some cronjob [01:52] I tested the r/w speed on my drive and its (100/40 MB/s). Looking at dmesg output, the line "EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)" takes 280 seconds. Anyone know what could be causing such a huge delay? ANy logs or something I can look at etc === Mrokii_ is now known as Mrokii === fishfox__ is now known as fishfox === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius [03:16] i plan on getting a new external monitor for my laptop. will i have to download some drivers in order for my desktop monitor to display full resoultion or should it work straight out the box? [03:34] anyone know how to get gobi 3000 modem to work? [03:34] ubuntu === BgLamersTeam is now known as Dreaman === Dreaman is now known as BgLamersTeam [04:05] i want to remove all traces of snap and snapd, how can i remove the snap core ? [04:06] sudo snap remove core --revision 5330 -- doesnt work [04:07] try with the purge option [04:08] sudo apt autoremove --purge snapd [04:09] that did it thanks [04:12] Talsin: Might want to remove a bit more : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328152 . [04:16] nah, got what i needed, removed snap and the "core snap", waste of ram on a server === capella|away is now known as capella [04:32] auto remove should remove its dependencies along with the application === kundancool is now known as anonymousK === anonymousK is now known as kundancool === kundancool is now known as anonymousK === anonymousK is now known as kundancool [05:57] Soound [05:57] I need to burn an mp3 dvd on buntu - what program do I use ? [06:09] No-one answered - therefore I am on the room service. === capella|away is now known as capella [06:20] morrn === kundancool is now known as anonymousK [06:30] For the past little while, I've been getting "ALSA error: snd_mixer_attach failed: Connection refused." intermittenrly. I can solve it with pulseaudio -k followed by pulseaudio -v, but it would be nice to just stop it from happeneing. It may have started when I plugged in an imic usb audio interface. === anonymousK is now known as kundancool === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [07:08] Are there linux alternatives for https://www.producthunt.com/alternatives/helium-3 ? === capella is now known as capella|away [07:21] marataziat: If GNOME has an option for always keeping a window on top, that seems like it is what that thing does [07:21] KDE Plasma (well kwin) lets you set such options [07:21] i plan on getting a new external monitor for my laptop. will i have to download some drivers in order for my desktop monitor to display full resoultion or should it work straight out the box? [07:22] gambl0r3: it should just work [07:23] but if you intend to use different DPI settings for the internal and external screens you are not going to have a nice time [07:23] hateball, what do you mean? [07:25] my laptop has a 1366 x 768. my external will be a 2560 x 1440 resolution [07:25] will that cause problems? [07:30] gambl0r3: the resolution will not be a problem most likely, but if you wanted to have different DPI on both screens that would be a problem [07:30] gambl0r3: for instance, I am guessing GNOME uses a 96DPI default tho I may be wrong. Now if you use a 4K monitor some might find that too small for text, and as such would want to adjust DPI [07:33] i plan on getting a 27" wqhd 2560 x 1440 resolution. [07:40] gambl0r3: you should be just fine [08:04] Where can I find kernel 4.15.0-33? [08:04] I'm having issues booting iwth 4.15.0-34 and amdgpu-pro [08:10] Edisto: kernel.org [08:15] nwe: i don't see a list on the site >.< [08:17] hmm... i really don't want to use amdgpu-pro if it is going to break every .01 difference in update. They need to come up with a opencl 1.2 that is open source [08:18] I mean kernel 4.15 ( the vanilla kernel). grab it and build it by yourself. otherwise you should try too downgrade kernel.. [08:19] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ doesn't have any previous versions or even 34 [08:42] Hej have a problem with rsync [08:45] Hej have a problem with rsync I do the --exclude '*.zip' but still is taking zip files from all over the folders.... So I wonder if '**/zip' should be the way to go' [08:51] Neptu: Try #rsync [08:58] Neptu: the command is --exclude='*.zip' [08:58] you need an equals in there [09:10] --exclude=PATTERN clearly [09:14] Hello everybody! [09:23] i would like to add one more problem with ubuntu 18.04 and gnome 3. I was trying to manage the high memory usage into my 4gb ram system, by hitting alt+f2 and then typing r [09:23] hi guys ,what are the easiest commands to reinstall grub from livecd ?? [09:23] to restart my gnome session [09:25] after this command my system hanged and even after rebooting i was stopped at the boot splashscreen, leaving gnome 3 totaly unusable. So i reverted in kde, witch is working normaly === jluc_ is now known as JLuc === leonardus is now known as leonardu === leonardu is now known as leonardus [09:55] I have two audio cds that do not open in ubuntu 18.04 [09:56] even sudo mount -r /dev/sr0 /mnt [09:56] says no devices found [10:00] hi - running 18.04 - I am trying to use Virgil in KVM - however I get the message 'This QEMU doesn't support spice OpenGL' [10:00] is this feature missing from the ubuntu packages ? [10:05] Hi guys, I have an issue with my slowdown performance on my ubuntu 18.04 LTS(GNOME) when using second external monitor, it seems so laggy. Do you have an idea why? [10:07] welcomeparty: which graphics card and driver is in use, how's the external monitor connected, is there anything about it on "dmesg -w" (unplug monitor, run this command, plug in monitor, see messages printed) [10:12] Hi folks [10:12] @tomreyn http://termbin.com/hq72 regarding my installed drivers [10:13] processor: AMD 7th Gen APU A12-9700P Quad Core, GPU: Radeon R8 M435DX Dual Graphics [10:14] i tried to check on AMD supported drivers list, mine is not on the list [10:14] and since it is APU, even my APU only supported for windows [10:22] @tomreyn this is the dmesg output after repluggin the hdmi port monitor http://termbin.com/hsum [10:23] i dont know what caused it, maybe unsync hardware compatibility which reduces frame rate? [10:24] when i use the built in laptop monitor the performance suddenly back to normal [10:26] welcomeparty: could it be that the DC cable is just bad? [10:28] does this also happen after a clean boot, without the system going into / returning from standby / hibernation? [10:29] the drivers seems to have been reinitialized a couple times, maybe /var/log/syslog has more information on why this is. [10:29] * driveR === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotus|NUC [10:46] after make, then what? https://github.com/casastorta/gobiserial [10:47] for gobi modem support === fronto is now known as gpap [10:49] https://github.com/casastorta/gobiserial/wiki/Installing-GobiSerial [10:50] thank you [10:50] :) [10:53] well regarding my previous post, i was successful to restore the stock ubuntu gnome 3 session by using dconf [10:53] dcnof reset -f /org/gnome/ === Thargoid is now known as stwalkerster === mkv is now known as m4v [11:32] does iptables have some limitation on filesize for download? [11:33] JuJUBee: you mean the amount of total traffic one can transfer per session? I have never heard of anything like that, no. [11:34] SwedeMike, I am getting network errors when I try to download files to my classroom computers, but the server itself has no problem [11:34] JuJUBee: what makes you think this has to do with filesize? [11:35] I'm just trying to figure this out. [11:36] The repository does not have a release file. How to fix this issue? This issue makes the update to fail === mkv is now known as m4v [11:51] Do I need to restart computer before my system can see my gobi modem? https://github.com/casastorta/gobiserial/wiki/Installing-GobiSerial <- just followed. [11:53] going to restart brb [11:58] Anyone experience installing drivers for Gobi Sierra Wireless device? === fronto is now known as gpap [12:00] JuJUBee: it does have ratelimiting though. [12:01] What is best way to get WWAN working. Got GSM modem, Gobi 3000? [12:02] Was working fine in Windows, now on Ubuntu....most get working by tomorrow [12:23] Is there any linux distro with out of box sierra modem support? [12:23] I'm lost trying to get support working on my system [12:23] !patience | pagetelegram [12:23] pagetelegram: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ [12:24] pagetelegram: if you find a !bug in #ubuntu, please report it === mkv is now known as m4v [12:37] has anyone got opengl support for Virgil in ubuntu working ? [12:38] @tomreyn: i dont think DC cable is bad. it is still decent. and i didnt find anything on /var/log/syslog [12:38] As it appears qemu isn;t compiled with the correct option in ubuntu 18.04 ? [12:44] my nano keeps messing up, I don't know whats going on but Ill delete 4 characters and it will jump to the next line or previous line blanking out the line. [12:53] roger_padactor: what version? === ypatra_ is now known as ypatra === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius === fronto is now known as gpap [13:14] se-sm-ca, tunes out i think its this bug. [13:14] https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/1436 [13:18] roger_padactor: oh interesting, haven't seen that one. I did experience backspace deleting whole words in 3.0, 3.1 fixed it [13:30] Is there a tool like Rufus but for Linux in the ubuntu fam? [13:31] pagetelegram: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu [13:32] thanks hateball [13:34] woeusb, also [13:36] Hey guys, need some help, working on a dedicated backup server running on Ubuntu 18.04 for a client, and cannot connect to an ethernet interface named ens1f1 - it shows up under ip link show and when I do dmesg | grep 'ens1f1' - but not sure how to proceed. [13:36] I will check /etc/network/interfaces [13:38] genii, got the woeusb with updated PPA thanks [13:41] aruns: join #ubuntu-server volunteers might take a look at your issue [13:42] OK, thanks lotus|NUC [13:45] aruns: you will have a blast, the keyword you are looking for is "netplan", that's the new system handling the network, good luck [13:49] Hi, i have a problem to configure network. It was working (ubuntu-18.04) but no more now. i have mate desktop and networkmanager, but i read also some networking systemd and netplan... this make me confuse. The mate config GUI for network doesn't start anymore (error)... Could you help me to resolve my problem please ? [13:51] ho also, i do config eth0 (no wifi, it is a ethernet connection), and he can see the router, but no internet (broadcast stay 0.0.0.0 instead of 192.168.2.1) [13:54] kernel 4.14-69-148 [13:54] woeusb creates thumb that boots to grub prompt....no idea what to do there. [13:55] pagetelegram: woeusb is not officially supported by the ubuntu community, ask the maintainer please [13:56] pagetelegram: for creating a bootable USB stick from ISO, I highly recommend etcher.io [13:57] https://etcher.io/ [13:57] I've used etcher before, last time I used it it didn't create a bootable USB from DVD ISO file. [13:58] I'll try again, tho frankly I keep hitting dead ends. I hope I'm wrong trying etcher again [13:58] thanks [13:58] there is also, throguh flatpak, fedora media writer, [13:59] as far as I can tell, it's perfect [13:59] not sure, and doubtful it [13:59] is in the ubuntu repos [13:59] thanks [14:01] pagetelegram, check your repo for FMW or fedora media writer, it would be interesting to see if it is there [14:02] not a default in PPAs. Going to look for a PPA to add. === bluesmon1 is now known as bluesmonk [14:04] dont think it is on a ppa [14:05] pagetelegram, I dont think its on a ppa, and not sure about installation on ubuntu, however with flappak flatpak install flathub org.fedoraproject.MediaWriter [14:05] pagetelegram, then flatpak run org.fedoraproject.MediaWriter [14:06] pagetelegram, let me know if it works, if you try it [14:07] "error: app/org.fedoraproject.MediaWriter/x86_64/master not installed" [14:08] darrn [14:08] pagetelegram, that's a real shame, fmw is one of the best I have tried [14:08] let me check [14:10] pagetelegram, I cant find an ubuntu ppa or installation , you may be stuck with etcher, which is also real nice [14:11] pagetelegram: personally I just use dd [14:11] +1 hateball [14:13] I think non will work I even tried DD before as well. I think all these tools do the same. Rufus does more, I think the new boot standard with BIOS efii or something is the issue [14:13] no help with network ? === BgLamersTeam is now known as Dreaman [14:14] jeromelanteri: to get your issue solved, try to re-ask your question with all details in one line, once in a while [14:15] That is my chief issue is no help yet with getting GSM modem to work. Which is why I'm meandering different distros. Need Sierra Gobi 2000 supported for 3G internet access. Cause the alternative is an unreliable WIFI connection === Dreaman is now known as BgLamersTeam [14:17] ok, ubuntu-18.04 mate desktop GUI etwork config can not start (error), i have networkmanager and networkd and netplan installed... i disable networkd (i supposed to use networkmanager only because of GUI mate tools). I arrived to setup a eth0 IPv4, but no broadcast config (0.0.0.0 isntead of 192.168.2.1). I'm searching for an help and netplan/networkd make me fell very confused. [14:18] lotus|NUC, is it more clear and suffisant ? [14:18] jeromelanteri: thats good mate, now be patient if someone knows they surely will help [14:19] lotus|NUC, ok. I think it is maybe related with new netplan/networkd against networkmanager... maybe... [14:31] what is best way to stop the iscsid from starting on boot without doing 'sudo apt remove open-iscsi' ? [14:32] sudo systemctl diable [14:32] disable [14:32] Talsin: I'm not familiar with it, but if it's launched by a systemd unit, what jeromelanteri said should work. [14:32] thanks [14:33] cheers [14:33] Talsin, you should find it (if it is a systemd deamon) by command: sudo systemctl status (then search) [14:34] cool, yeah i got it this once with 'sudo /etc/init.d/iscsid stop', but i dont wanna do that every boot [14:34] and then, the most used commands for systemctl (as systemd control) are: mask, unmask, enable, disable, start stop status, and --failed. [14:35] init.d method is the "old" system V one method [14:35] or BSD one [14:35] yeah i been away from linux a long time [14:35] lol [14:35] welcome back [14:45] hi all. does any one maybe know where are stored notification area (sys tray) icons for skype ? [14:48] ilias_gr, not really, it can be any places... but there is a command tool for find that... it is "find" [14:49] Morning, everyone - having a crazy problem that I have been trying to solve for over a year now on Xubuntu 16.04 - anywhere from 5 mins to sometimes hours after bootup, I experience very strange graphical corruption. In terminals, I get weird corruption like this: https://imgtc.com/a/Lh7O4HT -> this corruption also shows in applications (for example, when scrolling a list of files in Thunar, letters will be [14:49] drawn 'on top' of eachother). So far I have tried - memtest86 (10 passes, all clear), disabling compositing, changing system fonts, different terminal emulators, a full re-install of the OS, returning the system for refurb and having it replaced, ... no matter what I do, I get this issue. [14:50] The fact that the corruption is visable in xfce4-screenshooter leads me to think this has to be something to do with xorg, but I am just totally stuck on this. Anyone had any ideas of where I could start? [14:50] jeromelanteri: i want to locate/find where those icons are stored to replace thme with faenza icons because the system does not replaced them automattically [14:50] ilias_gr, so with find: sudo find / -type f -name "*skype*" &2>/dev/null [14:51] jeromelanteri: locate also do the job, isn't it? [14:51] or more localy it can be earched inside /usr/local/share, or /usr/share or /home/your_user_name [14:51] locate is not so powerfull than find, because 1/ you have to rrefresh a database and 2/ he search in home dir [14:52] find is just perfect [14:52] mouses: is your graphics chip or graphics ram overheating ? [14:53] Talsin: Forgot to mention that = no, checked all temps - 100% in normal range. This can even happen on a cold system (hours without power, and then suddenly 5 mins after boot) [14:53] Talsin: it's making me crazy lol - literally tried everything I could think of or google for a year now, including totally replacing the hardware. Still happens. [14:53] mouse the time delay is what makes me suspect heating [14:53] jeromelanteri: i am looking for 3 icons. The first show the use active, the 2nd in "do not disturb" option and the 3rd "invisible". which is the best way/command to use find to locate them? [14:54] ilias_gr, there is also an option for find for he doesn't go to search out of the mounted file system where you define the directory target [14:55] Talsin: Yeah, I wish it was a heat thing - this system runs cold and nice even with booted for weeks [14:55] ilias_gr, the best command should be relative to user conception of what is the best. Best can be quick or exhaustive or/and any other considerations [14:55] ilias_gr: try the find command suggested, or find / | grep -i "\.ico$" 2>/dev/null [14:56] jeromelanteri: i tried with the command you wrote above but nothing was returned [14:56] so for me, best should be to target the possible dirs... /usr/share, /usr/locale/share, /home/user_name [14:56] (so 3 commands) [14:56] Talsin: it is not sure that the extension is .ico [14:56] ilias_gr, also do you have an idea of the name of this icon you are searching for ? [14:57] ilias_gr, or with what it was installed ? [14:57] try .png .jpg .bmp .... use your initiative [14:57] jeromelanteri: maybe "invisible" [14:57] .ico [14:57] or something like that [14:57] there is also an option for "not visible file" [14:58] it should NOT be a file start by "." [14:58] mouses are you sure your video chipset is fully supported ? [14:58] an other one idea is to use the package manager good option to find dpendencies files of the package installed... [14:58] Talsin: I assume so - how would one check that? [14:59] mouses read that fine manual, hehehe [14:59] grrrrr === kukacz_ is now known as kukacz [14:59] fair answer :) [14:59] jeromelanteri: i used Software to install it [14:59] mouse actually i'd start with /var/log [14:59] mouses, a lspci should give the first info to search for... then from the manufacturer web site, you should find for linux support more informations... [15:00] ilias_gr, which Software ? [15:01] yeah, on it :) thanks Talsin and jeromelanteri [15:01] I just purchased the Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Server book. In it they describe that accessing Samba shares from Windows 10 is an issue (for windows 10). It then goes on to show how to do it, but I'm not able to follow the steps. Does anyone have a good resource for this? [15:01] jeromelanteri: Software 3.20.5 "A nice way to manage the software on your system" [15:02] ilias_gr, ho ok, i don't know this application. does it search for maintened distro packages or does it go for install source files from somewhere ? [15:03] anyway, you can use package manager (so apt for ubuntu) to search if there is a package name for skype there ? [15:03] then read the man page of apt for find the best option to show dependencies files of this pskype package [15:04] if it is source file installed, then you should be able to localte it (most probably inside /usr/locale/share OR /opt/) [15:05] ilias_gr, for exemple, try: apt list --installed | grep skype [15:05] Man pages are a pain. You can't tree's for the forest. I someties think it is the tire market concept between O'Reilly's series. [15:06] Younder, i understand what you mean... but that really depend of manual pages and your knowledge of man command tool. [15:06] jeromelanteri: the system returns: WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts. [15:06] wow [15:07] i like man pages, omg who remember the 'info' doc system, does that still even get used ? [15:07] ilias_gr, well, i'm a ubuntu/debian beginer. Usually i'm on archlinux or archlab or FreeBSD [15:07] oh wow yes info is on my system [15:08] so why you rCLI is unstable ? i don' know... [15:08] Talsin, info just uses man if nothing else is available [15:08] Talsin, BSD hold some old fashion style for any good reason if you like that... [15:08] EMACS is sort of a slowly falling star yes [15:09] info is like emacs it's amazing if you care to spend weeks/months learning to use it [15:09] emacs is a owerfull editor for devs [15:09] jeromelanteri: look...i found thousands of png icons and i am trying to locate those 3 icons. wait a moment plz [15:09] ive heard people call emacs an operating system, lol [15:09] and emacs has also spacemacs for emacs beginners and can have evil mode for vim users (because we love vim) [15:10] info work's best if you are familiar the the emacs command shortcuts. [15:10] ilias_gr, good [15:10] vim is life [15:11] vim is efficient and so quick, yes. but also emacs is very good for dev things. emacsis like a powerfull IDE [15:11] and if you use them with tmux... woooooow [15:12] GNU EMACS - Generally Not Used Except for Middle Aged Computer Scientists ;) [15:12] and i3 desktop... OMG !!! [15:12] Younder, i think you should change d by g actually. [15:13] well... i still very confuse with my network and this netplan/networking vs networmanager things on ubuntu. no helo there ? [15:13] yeah BSD has a great rep, i looked at FreeBSD for a while, but im lazy, linux is familiar, and ubuntu is easy [15:14] Talsin, bah actualy for e archlinux is easy and understandable and ubuntu is... well... unfamilliar and sometime starnge. [15:15] FreeBSD is strong and stable, and have powerfull tools like poudriere [15:15] heh well i came from oldschool debian, [15:15] jeromelanteri, Well network-manager is on Ubuntu desktop but lacking from Ubuntu server. Where you have to set things up manually. [15:15] I have both on my network. [15:16] Talsin, maybe you will also want to have a look to new concept of functional configured distro ? [15:16] maybe... [15:17] like like NixOS [15:17] i dunno what that entails [15:17] the idea is like what is haskell vs C++ for dev [15:18] but for maintain a distribution [15:19] NixOS has some container for install applications with there own libs, and has a kind of specific config file for automation updates [15:19] just googled it, looks interesting [15:20] but still another advantage of ubuntu is the wide userbase and support [15:20] not just for tech help, but things like amazon EC2 [15:21] well... it is late there in Thailand (for me). Yes good support, correct (that is why i use it for my odroid-xu4 ARM). Archlinux has a good wiki also. [15:21] i want to go to bed... wife is waiting for his lion.... bye friends. [15:21] goodnight :) [15:22] For me that NVIDIA uses it for it DGX series workstation/servers is a big plus. [15:23] heh a unix box that nivida chips work on? unpossible ! [15:25] Talsin, I've been using NVIDIA with unix for 6 years and it has always been supported. You need stem to play any serious games [15:25] steam [15:26] You need to install the NVIDIA drivers separately [15:28] There is also a NVIDIA dockeer that allows you combine NVIDIa and dokcer. (Might require a Titan) [15:28] jeromelanteri: is it possible that those icons are inside the program and not in separate dir? === kundancool is now known as anonymousK [15:35] ilias_gr, it is possible they are in a .so file [15:37] JimBuntu: any idea to force the system read the faenza corresponding icons? [15:39] It could be quite difficult. This would require looking at Skype and your specific distro/set up to understand how the icons are being called and from where. Sorry, I'm not a skype user. [15:41] Hi. Any experience with Samba share & Windows 10? I've tried both the ubuntu 18.04 server book, and http://www.ubuntuboss.com/how-to-set-up-windows-file-shares-in-ubuntu-18-04-with-samba/ with no luck. [15:42] good luck with that, MS deliberatly make it difficult, even if you get it working it will prob break again in a few weeks [15:43] JimBuntu: i understand that and i have already some times changed the icons for other applications because the didn't change automatically. but now i cannot find those 3 icons and replace them with faenza corresponding icons (faenza has already icons for these status ie. online, do not disturbe, invisible etc) [15:44] considered making your own icons? or downloading some free ones, might be faster [15:46] Talsin: and put them where to be located from the system automatically instead of current icons? === SimonNL is now known as SimonNL_Afk [15:47] just a suggestion... you can decide the best use of your time [15:49] i found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/503267/change-skype-tray-icon but i am not sure if it will work under xenial and for current Skype's version (8.31.0.92) [15:52] i glanced at that article, /usr/share/pixmaps/skype/ isnt what you are looking for ? [15:57] Talsin: there is no such directory [15:58] try this [15:59] hmm, what is the skype install package name ? [15:59] Talsin: skypeforlinux or skype, plain [16:00] so do dpkg -L skype [16:00] list the package contents, you cant help but find the icon files, if they exist [16:03] Talsin: it is not skype/skypeforlinux it is something under /snap but i cannot understand how or what [16:03] oh god snap [16:03] sorry snap is new to me, i understand its sandboxed apps, thats about it [16:04] im not even on desktop, im a server guy with just a bash prompt [16:04] i removed snap from my dev server yesterday [16:05] note the point of sandboxed apps is to isolate them for the rest of system, thats why you cant find it [16:06] its all probably in a compressed mountable filesystem file [16:06] Talsin: If you aren't familiar with something, please avoid making assumptions [16:07] ive seen that snap mounts loop filesystems [16:07] Talsin: snaps are not compressed, depending on the build, they isolated from the rest of the system [16:07] thats enough for the above statments to be true [16:07] ilias_gr: what is your question about the skype snap? [16:10] nacc: i want to find the way to replace systray (xfce notification area) icons for skype from default to faenza corresponding icons [16:11] ilias_gr: using the snap? you need to contact the snap owner, iirc. [16:12] ilias_gr: `snap info skype`, see the contact line [16:13] nacc: is it a snap application actually? i installed it through Software for Ubuntu === capella|away is now known as capella [16:13] well i dont see skype in 'apt search' [16:14] ilias_gr: `which skype` [16:14] ilias_gr: There are presently two ways to install skype. One is from the .deb file downloaded from Microsoft, the other is via a snap in the Ubuntu Software center [16:14] ilias_gr: i don't know how you have it installed [16:14] Talsin: it isn't in ubuntu software center too [16:15] ilias_gr: i'm guessing snap, unless you did it manually [16:15] snap, he said Ubuntu Software center, or words to that effect [16:15] i didn't . i did it using Software application [16:15] "words to that effect" [16:15] Talsin: please don't answer for other people, it's not helpful. [16:16] ilias_gr: run the command i suggested `which skype` to see the path [16:17] nacc: /snap/bin/skype [16:17] ilias_gr: yes, that's a snap then :) [16:17] * Talsin coughs [16:17] ilias_gr: and snaps are distributed out of band (technically) with the distribution. [16:17] Talsin: just becuse you happened to be right, doesn't mean you were being helpfu. [16:18] nacc: so i understand there is no way to make Faenza icon replace the default icons for systray [16:18] ilias_gr: so follow the contact info for the snap, if you want to modify it's behavior (skype developers maintain it, not ubuntu proper, afaik) [16:18] ilias_gr: you'd need to ask them, you could also ask in #snappy. [16:18] ilias_gr: if there's a generic replace icon thing, but i don't think there is [16:19] nacc: i think too there is not [16:19] i was being helpful in establishing after 1.5 hours and 5 people helping him he is using a snap [16:19] i am sorry i waste your time. i mentioned that i used skype. [16:20] i can live with default icons. [16:20] ... you can decide the best use of your time [16:20] but i just wonder why it is not possible. [16:21] because snap applications are isolated from the rest of the system, making is safer to use but harder to customise [16:21] is it skype available as a program through apt or synaptic. i think it is not [16:21] Talsin: That isn't 100% true, please stop doing that [16:22] what am i doing that you find disagreeable ? [16:22] Talsin: i understand that. An i have to mention that i saw that the whole directory is locked! [16:23] nacc: or maybe it is difficult to do it [16:24] Talsin: You already claimed you know little about snap... then proceed to make remarks about it, claiming it's isolated, compressed, etc. If you aren't knowledgeable in a topic, then don't offer advice on it. let someone else who is familiar with it take over. [16:24] ilias_gr: a snap is a squashfs image, loopback mounted. So the application itself is readonly to your user. There might be configuration in ~/snap/ but it's per-app and so that's why you need to ask upstream [16:25] pragmaticenigma have you ever been paid to provide tech support ? [16:25] Talsin: Yes, for several years [16:25] Talsin: this the ubuntu support channel, volunteer drive. Please take this to #ubuntu-discuss [16:25] *driven [16:27] so you understand the social, emotional and psychological desires of clients, and how to separate your desire to be technically correct from the clients need to understand in laymans terms ? [16:27] ok im done now [16:28] nacc: read only to root also [16:29] ilias_gr: yes, readonly mounted, which is not about permissions. [16:33] nacc: and this is maybe the reason that although the use change icon pack though 'appearance' the default icons remain the same [16:33] *user [16:34] ilias_gr: right, also 'confined' snaps don't even see your system. So their behavior is the same on every system (in theory) with the same snapd running. I believe skype is confined. "classic" snaps (not the default) are more like regular debs in that they can use the system files, etc. [16:34] ilias_gr: depending on the application/snap, they don't even necessarily see your home directory === mkv is now known as m4v [16:40] snap gubers up the netstat with all these 'fake' ports [16:40] and 'ip add' [16:40] addr [16:41] There has to be a cleaner way of doing it. [16:41] snap was using more cpu and memory than my actual 'app' on my server [16:41] Younder: please take rants elsewhere. [16:41] I prefer docker [16:42] Younder: docker is a different thing than snaps. [16:42] Talsin: do you mean snapd? do you have an actual support topic? [16:42] yes snapd. no i was responding to a short digression related to the topic at hand [16:43] Younder: afaik, snaps do not do anything to `ip addr` output. === semeion is now known as mnemonic [16:44] nacc no? 3: virbr0: mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000... There is also a 4 [16:46] Younder: pretty sure that libvirt no? [16:47] have to agree, are you running in a virtual machine ? [16:47] so in conclusion snap applications doen't change theri default icons whne the user change system's icon pack through appearance ? [16:47] ilias_gr: it depends on the snap. [16:47] nacc, Might be one of the other provisioner's, but not libvirt per se [16:47] Younder: how do you know? [16:48] Younder: it is, afaik, not related to snaps at all [16:49] ok, i think this is something must be change in future so the whole system will have the same icon pack for all the applications [16:49] ilias_gr: that's not the point of snaps. [16:49] krita uses it [16:49] ilias_gr: in any case, if you'd like to ask about snap design, pleae use #snappy [16:49]