[06:38] <Edisto> at 1.6gb I feel a lag dragging and turning off layers. Other than merging layers what can I do in options to improve performance?
[06:46] <Edisto> oops wrong chan
[07:39] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:27] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> Good morning!
[08:27] <hateball> o/
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 hey guys what is the current version of kde plasma?
 5.12.6
 @griphook, plasma version 5.12.6 in Kubuntu 18.04
 Can I install 5.13 in kubuntu?
[18:07] <haakonn> is there any way to install Plasma 5.13 on 18.04? 5.12 is really old :-(
 5.12.7 just came out as it's an LTS.  Update to Kubuntu 18.10 for KDE 5.13
 Is 18.04 stable enough to be a daily driver?
 sorry 18.10
 it's still beta, will be released in October
[18:09] <haakonn> But 18.10 is still two weeks away :P
[18:09] <haakonn> Normally these things get into the backports PPA even on LTS versions
 Kubuntu 18.04 is very stable because it has Plasma 5.12 LTS.  It will keep getting bug fixes.  The backport PPA will be available after 18.10 is released which will update Qt and Plasma
[18:11] <haakonn> Well normally you can upgrade twice a year to get the latest, except when there's an LTS which only gets old stuff - so you have to skip the LTS then?
 my understanding is the backport uses the tested packages from the new releases, so you get a big update after 18.10 comes out, 19.04, 19.10, etc.
 if you want the latest, upgrade to 18.10 as it will be tested to work more than the backport PPA with 18.04.  If you want a stable system, stick with 18.04 and stick with Plasma LTS
 that's my recommendation
[18:39] <haakonn> But when an LTS comes out and you want the latest, what do you do? Just not upgrade to the LTS?
[18:42] <bprompt> haakonn:    you upgrade, sure, in my case I do a full install from scratch, since I can afford to install all packages and such and keep my configurations
[18:43] <bprompt> haakonn:   but you can upgrade yes, just make some backup before, not all upgrades go smoothly
 use ppa-purge to remove any extra PPA's you've installed, that will help the upgrade go smoother
 but for me, 18.04 is a really nice LTS because it comes with Plasma LTS and Qt LTS.  So it will stay very stable.  If there are any individual programs you need new versions of you can try the snap or flatpaks.  Or, install the PPA's for those individual programs.  I use the PPA for syncthing so I can stay up-to-date on that
[18:51] <haakonn> Plasma 5.13 will be almost half a year old by the time 18.10 comes out with it - and during that time, there's no easy way to use it on any Ubuntu release, apparently. LTS is fine, but sometimes I want the latest too :P
 what is QT?
[19:18] <bprompt> haakonn:    new !== good, I run kubuntu 16.04, I did get and install 18.04 it didn't quite work for what I run, it broke a few things, fixed them, then it broke some more, whilst in 16.04 everything runs, I had the same issue from 12.04 to 14.04, 14.04 didn't work for me, but 12.04 and 16.04 worked peachy
 QT is the toolkit Plasma is built upon.  Similar to GTK for Gnome.  So you get LTS for Plasma, and the toolkit it's based on.  A great combo for a super stable workstation
[19:20] <haakonn> Yes, I like stable. But I also like some of the things fixed in Plasma 5.13. Freedom of choice is good
 @ace_player, Thanks Ace!
 haakoon: 5.12 continues to get bug fixes.  It's currently at 5.12.7 so there have been 7 rounds of bug fixes on the 5.12 base.    You just miss out on the new features of 5.13, some of which are pretty nice like blurred menus and web browser integration
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[23:14] <cim209> hello, papirus theme icon isn't listed in settings even though it was already installed
[23:14] <cim209> i'm on kubuntu 18.04