 sorry for the weird one.
[00:00] <Wafficus> someone said to use lynx instead of w3m in terminal, but I wanted to know a smaller memory hog one for GUI web browsing
[00:00] <Wafficus> I hate the depending on Chrome on this comp tbh
[00:00] <wxl> well it depends on what you want it to do
[00:01] <wxl> i mean, dillo is pretty small
[00:01] <wxl> but the web is run on javascript
[00:01] <wxl> so maybe falkon or qutebrowser or something of the sort is a better choice
[00:02] <Wafficus> true
[00:02] <Wafficus> falkon and qutebrowser, cool, will look in the lubuntu repo for that
[00:02] <Wafficus> *those
[00:02] <wxl> right now falkon is default for 18.10
[00:02] <wxl> it's qt so since lxde is largely gtk and not qt, it will mean pulling in some qt libs. qutebrowser too
[00:03] <wxl> xombrero used to be a thing but i don't know where it went
[00:03] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf likes opera but i doubt that's light
[00:03] <wxl> @kc2bez i don't think that's too strange, actually
[00:04] <Wafficus> hmm, btw did anyone figure out what the default mirror should be for the getcountry() function?
[00:04] <Wafficus> or rather
[00:04] <Wafficus> whoops poorly phrased
[00:04] <Wafficus> that has to deal with getmirror()
[00:04] <Wafficus> I guess I have to add a timeout block to make the computer wait for the country right
[00:04] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2 
[00:04] <wxl> yeah
[00:05] <Wafficus> do we we need a try and except block for the getcountry() function?
[00:05] <Wafficus> isn't that only for the getmirror() function?
[00:05] <wxl> mirror calls country and country's the one that fails, so country
[00:05] <Wafficus> ah ok
[00:05] <Wafficus> so I put the code that was previously placed into the try block
[00:05] <Wafficus> now for the default except part
[00:05] <Wafficus> if in doubt, US lol?
[00:06] <Wafficus> or we have to assume other countries as well
[00:06] <Wafficus> or rather, the issue is to make a time out function
[00:06] <Wafficus> do I have to consult the "REST api" for Python in this case?
[00:07] <wxl> probably
[00:07] <wxl> but 
[00:07] <wxl> i don't know
[00:08] <wxl> no, the country is used to pick a mirror
[00:08] <Wafficus> so there is no default country then
[00:08] <wxl> well we need to pick one
[00:08] <wxl> i'd say pick the US
[00:09] <Wafficus> like there would be no except clause other than saying "country not found"
[00:09] <Wafficus> yeah I was gonna say
[00:09] <wxl> and oregon state university's mirros :)
[00:09] <Wafficus> good idea
[00:09] <Wafficus> didn't know we mirror from that university
[00:09] <wxl> they mirror everything
[00:09] <Wafficus> I knew a transfer student at the college I went to that went there
[00:09] <Wafficus> mega cute
[00:09] <Wafficus> anyway
[00:09] <Wafficus> lets see
[00:09] <Wafficus> default mirror should be oregon state university mirrors huh
[00:09] <Wafficus> makes sense
[00:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: Must haves for 18.10 release] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53#1649
[00:10] <wxl> i wish lugito showed diffs
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> question regarding lxterminal, so is it possible to full screen it?], F11
 the best I have done
[00:24] <Wafficus> HMollerCl: but how do I get rid of the menu at the top too?
[00:24] <Wafficus> like to hide it
[00:24] <Wafficus> Thanks though for the F11 trick, appreciate it a ton
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> HMollerCl: but how do I get rid of the menu at the top too?], I don't  think it can be done. Can't you use tty? (ctrl+alt+f1 f2, f3....f6) com back to x with ctr+alt+f7
[00:28] <wxl> Preferences > Display > Hide menu bar
[00:29] <Wafficus> woah
[00:29] <Wafficus> yeah I just got back to this
[00:29] <Wafficus> that was a trip
[00:29] <Wafficus> I didn't even know you could do that
[00:29] <Wafficus> thats crazy
[00:29] <wxl> you mean virtual terminals?
[00:29] <Wafficus> yeah whatever the hell that was
[00:29] <Wafficus> ctrl + alt + f1
[00:29] <wxl> yep
[00:29] <Wafficus> I thought I totally screwed up my computer
[00:29] <wxl> hah
[00:29] <Wafficus> is that lxterminal?
[00:30] <wxl> be warned: that's not running in x
[00:30] <Wafficus> or is that something else
[00:30] <Wafficus> yeah I assumed
[00:30] <Wafficus> I kinda like that
[00:30] <wxl> something altogether different
[00:30] <Wafficus> pure terminal baby :)
[00:30] <Wafficus> maybe that's the solution to my other laptop
[00:30] <Wafficus> keep X for boot
[00:30] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
[00:30] <Wafficus> but immediately go into virtual terminal
[00:31] <wxl> or just don't even boot into x
[00:31] <wxl> use it iff. you need it
[00:33] <Wafficus> yeah I got an old Acer Aspire 3690 with 512 meg ram, considering just having purely terminals on that
[00:33] <Wafficus> I tried looking at what "ubuntu server" distro I needed yesterday but was confused ha
[00:34] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: D24 is waiting on upstream. Blaming agaida. XD
[00:34] <tsimonq2> er
[00:34] <tsimonq2> wxl
[00:34] <wxl> no hell with that
[00:34] <tsimonq2> dude
[00:34] <tsimonq2> The package LITERALLY WON'T INSTALL.
[00:34] <wxl> when that fix comes, we can mvoe it back
[00:34] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:35] <wxl> what are you talking about?
[00:35] <tsimonq2> lxqt-globalkeys and lubuntu-default-settings would be impossible to ship at the same time.
[00:35] <tsimonq2> Two binaries can't ship the same files.
[00:35] <tsimonq2> lxqt-globalkeys already ships the files.
[00:35] <tsimonq2> Which means we either have to hack up the LXQt package or we have to wait for upstream to do XDG properly.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> Which means we either have to hack up the LXQt package or we have to …], that's for Super_L ?
[00:36] <wxl> oh god. well reading their bug the latter is not coming any time soon
[00:36] <wxl> yes @HMollerCl and any other changes we want to make to keys
[00:36] <wxl> and that's the thing --- we WILL want to make changes
[00:36] <wxl> so i vote hacking lxqt then :/
 I'm pretty sure that my installation from mid august had Super_L as default
 I tyhink I can download again right?
[00:36] <tsimonq2> I really can't do that in good conscious, but I can close my eyes and whistle if you get a change sponsored to lxqt-globalkeys by another Ubuntu developer. :P
[00:37] <wxl> ugh
 to test it and see what cahanged?
 It is very annoying for the main menu shortcut default to be set to Alt+F1
[00:37] <wxl> well then i guess we can kiss globalkeys changes goodbye
[00:37] <tsimonq2> Faulty logic. :P
[00:38] <wxl> not for a while at least
[00:38] <tsimonq2> Find how other LXQt packages just pull from XDG settings, and then make PRs upstream to lxqt-globalkeys.
[00:38] <wxl> go for it
[00:38] <tsimonq2> For someone who isn't familiar with the codebase, probably a 2-3 hour job.
[00:38] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:38] <wxl> cuz i'm sure if the developers of the actual software can't figure it out, joe pleeb sure can
[00:39] <tsimonq2> dude
[00:39] <tsimonq2> agaida is just lazy
[00:39] <Wafficus> wxl: So its time.sleep(10) for 10 seconds in Python
[00:39] <wxl> @HMollerCl there's only a day or two of images available, sorry
[00:39] <Wafficus> did you want that BEFORE localdata gets initialized
[00:39] <Wafficus> or after
[00:39] <wxl> @tsimonq2: no, the bug is something he made because he wants it changed
[00:39] <Wafficus> in automirror's main.py?
[00:39] <wxl> Wafficus: no, no. urllib.request has a timeout option
[00:39] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: See palinek's comment.
[00:39] <tsimonq2> ARGH.
[00:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: YOU.
[00:39] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: 07:42:07 PM <+agaida> and it should be easy to implement - but not for me :D
[00:43] <tsimonq2> I TOLD YOU DO
[00:43] <tsimonq2> *SO
[00:43] <wxl> ok well whos' going to do it? apparently no one cares
[00:43] <tsimonq2> You apparently care.
[00:43] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:44] <wxl> s/no one/no one with sufficient skill and knowledge of the code/
[00:44] <tsimonq2> dude
[00:44] <tsimonq2> It's just C++
[00:44] <wxl> then knock yourself out
[00:44] <wxl> or we just change the default in lxqt-globalkeys and problem solved
[00:46] <tsimonq2> Knock yourself out; the packaging's in Phab.
[00:48] <Wafficus> hey so I'm looking at that link:
[00:48] <Wafficus> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23
[00:48] <Wafficus> I don't see a comment that told me to look into urllib.request() for a timeout section
[00:48] <Wafficus> I will anyway
[00:48] <Wafficus> but am I not on the same page?
[00:48] <wxl> there's not a timeout section. it's an option to urllib.request
[00:48] <wxl> like it's a feature of urllib.request itself
[00:51] <Wafficus> gotcha
[00:52] <wxl> got a solution to the problem @TheWendyPower
 @wxl........ 😏
[00:54] <wxl> @TheWendyPower blame me. I didn't knwo two binaries couldn't provide the same file.
[00:54] <Wafficus> wxl: Hey check out my pastebin:
[00:54] <Wafficus> wxl: https://pastebin.com/YyvW7Ym2
[00:54] <Wafficus> wxl: is that what you wanted using the 'timeout' parameter?
[00:59] <tsimonq2> Anyone else have botched networking with the daily under QEMU?
 @wxl I'll just go back to working on the slide show... [whispers to myself] It is much safer there... 😉
[01:00] <tsimonq2> ahahaha
[01:00] <tsimonq2> Good work!
 @wxl now I will try the calamares thing
 on a vm
[01:01] <Wafficus> wxl: hey man, did you check out my paste bin above?
 mmm @wxl it's taking pretty long on unsquash filesystem
 at least now it is in 22% before was in 21%.
 create locale
 39%
[01:29] <lyorian> @HmollerCI unsquash seems to take a long time
[01:31] <lyorian> tsimonq2:  live session or installed?
[01:31] <lyorian> tsimonq2: I have it working fine with virtio nic 
 and error
[01:32] <lyorian> in the live session
 yes
[01:34] <wxl> @TheWendyPower https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-cosmic-cuttlefish-release-parties/8228
[01:37] <wxl> @HMollerCl what error? pastebin the logs if you can
[01:37] <wxl> man i wish Wafficus would just stay put XD
 (Photo, 375x286) https://i.imgur.com/pABdcrI.jpg
 never used pastebin what should I do?
[01:37] <wxl> @TheWendyPower so you're giving up? :(
[01:38] <wxl> @HMollerCl `cat somefile | pastebinit`
[01:39] <wxl> did you copy and paste @HMollerCl? that might be the issue. python is really picky about indentation
 @wxl [<wxl> did you copy and paste @HMollerCl? that might be the issue. python is real …], ok, that can be
[01:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl here's the raw file you can just replace it ith https://phab.lubuntu.me/file/data/tkqb45bqwzr2kzcz6vtl/PHID-FILE-6gnqqtxh3ra6vc6mgajb/common_modules_automirror_main.py
 @wxl goodness no I'm not giving up! I am drinking an adult beverage and making dinner for my husband and 4 children. :-)
[01:40] <wxl> @TheWendyPower ok good because you did really good and you're almost done!!!!
[01:41] <wxl> although the thought of wendy coding drunk…
 Hahahahahaha
[01:41] <lyorian> don't spill the adult beverage on your computer
 It isn't going near the computer... I just can't have another ruined keyboard right now. 😁
[01:44] <wxl> https://www.wetkeys.com/Washable-Computer-Keyboards-Waterproof-Computer-Keyboards-s/3.htm
 I may have to get one of those.....
[01:45] <wxl> i hear that adult diapers help, too, since you don't have to bother getting up XD
 I've changed diapers for 4 kids, I'm done with diapers!!!!
[01:48] <wxl> oh you don't have to tell me twice and i only have one
 LOL!
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl here's the raw file you can just replace it ith https://phab.lu …], ok, starting all again, btw, now the system only gave me the manual partition option
[01:51] <wxl> @HMollerCl if that's the case you should quit calamares and look at your disk set up with e.g. `lsblk`. chances are you have a swap partition mounted. run `swapoff /path/to/swap` and then run calamares and it will work
 I did the manual partition, manual erase and created
 the installation ended w/p problems
 w/o
[02:15] <wxl> @HMollerCl that's a good sign. can you send the logs over?
[02:15] <wxl> i don't remember if there's timing info in there. 
 mmmm, y did the reset after installation. Can I recover them?
[02:16] <wxl> maaaaybe. look in ~/.config
 don't see anything. But to be honest, during the installation I didn't found logs in .config either
[02:19] <wxl> oh they're there somewhere
 apparently I will have to instal again
 Are you looking for calamares logs? maybe /var/log/installer/
 will look there
 @wxl I think I have some logs. How can I send it to you?
[02:32] <wxl> sorry i meant ~/.cache not ~/.config
[02:33] <wxl> you can put it on paste.ubuntu.com or share.riseup.net or wherever..... or just `cat file | pastebinit` and give me the url
[02:33] <wxl> here's my log i just finished https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j3r4jmHfCY/
[02:34] <wxl> if you go to automirro you can i pass through the automirror in like a second
[02:35] <wxl> less than that, really
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CjpCr7krjW/
 hope this help
[02:39] <wxl> hm that seems to be the bad one
[02:39] <wxl> oh wait no i'm wrong
[02:39] <wxl> the good one follows
[02:39] <wxl> so it took about 3 seconds for you
 yup, the two
 ok, I need to sleep. Good night.
[02:41] <wxl> thanks be well!
[02:43] <wxl> oh it looks like the timeout thing might not be an issue. looks like without specifying it has no timeout! https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29649173/what-is-the-global-default-timeout#29649638
[03:12] <lyorian> night @HmollerCI
[03:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rTROJITA0cfb42a5926b: fix changelog for patches] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rTROJITA0cfb42a5926b
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 @wxl [<wxl> @VikingRedwolf likes opera but i doubt that's light], I'm liking Epiphany more and more lately, but I need security plugins in my life. And the sync feature of Opera is perfect, including the speed dials. Firefox 's bookmarks are awful. But yes, being a Chromium thingie it's not that fast loading, but it is rendering
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[06:24] <wxl> new trojita coming down the pike. with all of agaida's debian packaging. this should be good. 
[06:35] <wxl> ok trojita 0.7-0ubuntu1ppa4 has now successfully built and is publishing as we speak. go test everyone! https://launchpad.net/~wxl/+archive/ubuntu/testy-testy
[06:41] <wxl> @tsimonq2: any idea if those luks/encryption changes made it into calamares and what patches we want to pull down if they have?
[06:43] <wxl> ugh trojita is almost there
[06:44] <wxl> i'm in this weird catch-22 trying to deal with lintian errors but the solution is to move libtrojita_plugins.so from /usr/lib/trojita to /usr/lib
[07:04] <wxl> ok ppa5 on the way should fix that
[07:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rTROJITA4ed3cbc196f7: fixed location of libtrojita_plugins.so] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rTROJITA4ed3cbc196f7
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[07:08] <wxl> now i got to bed
 @wxl I tested trojita. Everything seems to work as expected for me. Install went fine and I was able to send and receive emails. I think you got it!
[12:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T81: Swap out KDE Falkon for Firefox until Falkon becomes more stable] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T81#1650
[12:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1651
[12:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: Set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1651
[14:04] <wxl[m]> Thanks @kc2bez!
[14:06] <wxl[m]> See that task T81 above if you have objections about swapping Falkon for Firefox folks
 I have no objection.
[14:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T86: Reorganizations of official titles] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T86#1653
[14:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: Set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1655
[14:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T72: Fix HTML for lubuntu-devel list] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72#1657
[14:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T72: Fix HTML for lubuntu-devel list] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72#1658
[14:47] <wxl[m]> Who else has tried Trojitá?
 I've not tried it but I can.
[14:57] <wxl[m]> Dooooooeeeeeeet
[15:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: Set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1660
 There, I've sort of laid down a foundation for Lubuntu governance.
[15:32] <wxl> @tsimonq2: a switch? really? because you said we were waiting on a new release
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: a switch? really? because you said we were waiting on a new rel …], What?
[15:35] <wxl> @tsimonq2: encryption
 Yeah, the release was done aaaages ago
 We haven't been waiting for a while
[15:37]  * wxl sighs
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> Who else has tried Trojitá?], how should I install it? apt install?
 @lubuntu_bot [*wxl: sighs*], Love you too. Now go enable LVM in a live image and try an install!
[15:37] <wxl> @HMollerCl `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt install trojita`
[15:38] <wxl> @tsimonq2: well first i have to figure out flipping the switch, right? also you're pinging the bot.
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: well first i have to figure out flipping the switch, right? als …], I'm not pinging the bot, just replying to you... The switch is in the docs
 I don't know offhand
[15:39] <wxl> h0837 < lubot:#lubuntu-devel> <tsimonq2> @lubuntu_bot [*wxl:
 Bah
[15:41] <wxl> this is the switch? https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/v3.2.2/src/modules/partition/partition.conf#L62
 I dunno, try it :)
[15:42] <wxl> ugh
[15:42] <wxl> you seem to have expressed some understanding about this. i know nothing about it.
 Me neither. I just RTFM'ed.
[15:46] <wxl> then you should be able to say yay or nay, no?
[15:46] <wxl> anyways i guess you'll be of little help
[15:46] <wxl> why do we have neverCreateSwap to true? this ensure suspend basically won't work
 @wxl [<wxl> why do we have neverCreateSwap to true? this ensure suspend basically won' …], Because Ubuntu does swapfiles
 I dunno
 You can't suspend with swapfiles???? only swap partition?
 @HMollerCl [You can't suspend with swapfiles???? only swap partition?], You can
[15:56] <wxl> @HMollerCl no, you can. i didn't recognize that fact 
 Which is why we don't need a partition
 that si my understading too.
 I also think wxl is confusing suspend with hibernate. You can suspend without swap, you can't hibernate without swap.
 And hibernate has been disabled for aaaages.
 but you can enable it.
 @HMollerCl [but you can enable it.], Can you?
 Also wxl I really want to know your thoughts on the whole LC proposal
[15:58] <wxl> suspend needs ram, hibernate needs disk
[15:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's fine but i'd consider dealing with the iso as a little more important
 Mkay
 @tsimonq2 [Can you?], yes, I did that. From what I know ubuntu disabled hibernation for computers NOT certified for lubuntu.
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/361734/hibernation-is-still-missing-from-menu-in-13-10-after-enabling-via-polkit-how-t/362499#362499
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation
[16:02] <wxl> althought https://lwn.net/Articles/764841/
[16:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rTROJITAe49198de1e73: updated timestamp] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rTROJITAe49198de1e73
[17:12] <Wafficus> wxl: Did you see the pastebin I did last night, wxl?
 has anyone tried wine in 18.10?
[17:16] <wxl> Wafficus: i sent you a memo
 No I have not, but I've thougt about loading up Steam.
 In my installation from august, after  ... sudo apt install wine
 when I run wine it says:
 it looks like wine32 is missing, you should install it. ... as root, please execute "apt-get install wine32"
[17:17] <Wafficus> wxl: On phab?
[17:17] <Wafficus> wxl: If its through IRC's private messaging, how do I access my IRC inbox?
[17:17] <wxl> Wafficus: /msg memoserv 
[17:18] <wxl> you should have got it when you logged in
[17:18] <wxl> might have not noticed it in the spew
[17:18] <wxl> while you're at it go try trojita: `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt install trojita && trojita`
[17:19] <Wafficus> got your memo
[17:20] <Wafficus> what's trojita?
[17:20] <Wafficus> I'm accessing freenode via browser at work, so I'm not any particular machine tbh
[17:21] <wxl> our email client for 18.10
[17:21] <wxl> i just finally got it packaged in a reasonable state
[17:21] <wxl> already have one +1 on it but i need as many eyes on it as possible
[17:21] <wxl> word of warning though: imap only
[17:24] <Wafficus> wxl: Ah gotcha, yeah I'll install it on my Lubuntu laptop at home
[17:24] <Wafficus> what's imap?
[17:26] <wxl> most likely, the email protocol you're used to
[17:31] <Wafficus> gotcha
[17:31] <Wafficus> I do defaults for lubuntu
[17:31] <Wafficus> so I have no idea lol
[17:32] <wxl> well i think that claws or whatevre it was that we shipped could do either
[17:32] <wxl> and in other news looks like we have kernels stuck in proposed keeping our images from building
[17:33] <wxl> so take a break from testing images and test trojita :)
[17:34] <wxl> yeah sylpheed does pop3, imap up to 4rev1, smtp (duh, that's sending) as well as nntp (news)
[17:34] <wxl> trojita's not that cool.
[17:34] <wxl> but i'm not the world's biggest fan of pop. it has its value, but i don't need it.
[17:39] <Wafficus> well I'll take a break when I finally fix that function's timing issue
[17:39] <Wafficus> or whatever you want then htough
[17:39] <Wafficus> I just want to make sure its solved
[17:39] <Wafficus> I always just use outlook in browser, I've never used mail clients in an OS ever
[17:39] <Wafficus> just only in a browser tab
 @wxl, just confiigured an IMAP account. There is no "authentication failed" message
[17:40] <wxl> actually i'm thinking the timeout is a red herring
[17:40] <Wafficus> I would want to learn mutt though
[17:40] <wxl> i don't remember if i sent you that
[17:40] <Wafficus> yeah you said that
[17:40] <wxl> infinity is a long time out
[17:40] <wxl> mutt rules.
[17:40] <Wafficus> I could never find out how to change the default email though through their man page
[17:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl you configured this through trojita?
[17:40] <Wafficus> I tried waiting in #mutt too but no response
[17:40] <Wafficus> *for Lubuntu
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl you configured this through trojita?], yes
[17:41] <wxl> usually update-alternatives will do the trick
[17:41] <wxl> @HMollerCl how do you know you were suppossed to get an authentication failed message? maybe you put in the right password after all? XD
 I had to open a "IMAP protocol" window to see the problem
 And it is still trying to connect, how can I stop it?
[17:45] <wxl> that i'm not sure of
 tring to reply an e-mail I got: APPEND ha fallado: Client tried to access nonexistent namespace. (Mailbox name should probably be prefixed with: INBOX.) (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
 really don't get what should be prefixed with INBOX.
[17:49] <wxl> where did you make an account at?
[17:54] <wxl> i don't even get how you can make an account
[17:54] <wxl> seems like all you can do is add an existing one
 I'm confused between make an account and add an existing one.
 In making an account are you thinking in a server?
[18:19] <wxl> well in thunderbird you can sign up for an account on e.g. gmail, in addition to simply entering your information for an account that already exists at gmail
 aaa, I don't know thata. My trojita just crashed
[18:20] <wxl> i don't think trojita can do much more than just enter an existing account
 @wxl [<wxl> i don't think trojita can do much more than just enter an existing account], I think the same
[18:21] <wxl> post up the crash if you can
[18:21] <wxl> probably something in /var/crash
 got it but I can't connect to pastebinit
[18:24] <wxl> weird
[18:24] <wxl> maybe that's why trojita crashed: network issues
 [Errno socket error] The write operation timed out
[18:27] <wxl> yeah that sounds like a network issue. can you `ping paste.ubuntu.com` ?
 ING paste.ubuntu.com (91.189.90.174) 56(84) bytes of data. ... 64 bytes from druzhnaya.canonical.com (91.189.90.174): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=217 ms ... 64 bytes from druzhnaya.canonical.com (91.189.90.174): icmp_seq=2 ttl=43 time=224 ms ... 64 bytes from druzhnaya.canonical.com (91.189.90.174): icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=217 ms ... 64 b
[18:27] <wxl> i'd try it again
 still getting the same error, still able to ping paste.ubuntu.com
[18:36] <wxl> @HMollerCl what's the exact command you're using?
 cat _usr_bin_trojita.1000.crash | pastebinit
[18:37] <wxl> let's try passing `-b paste.debian.net` to pastebinit
 cat _usr_bin_trojita.1000.crash | pastebinit -b paste.debian.net
 ??
[18:38] <wxl> yep
 same error
[18:38] <wxl> huh it just dies
[18:39] <wxl> bizaare. open up paste.ubuntu.com and copy and paste it then XD
 it gave me a 502 error
[18:43] <wxl> wth
[18:44] <wxl> well something is certainly not behaving right with your networking
 after pasting the data, after I press the "paste" buton it give me 502 bad gateway
 apparently wine has problems creating entries in the menu.
[18:46] <wxl> no suchn problems https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DxCvjpVxNs/
[18:47] <wxl> even more https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GPk2wW6bDx/
 i will ry in the host system
 yup, no problem there
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Bv2rBjXC9K/
 winecfg ... 001e:err:winecfg:open_mountmgr failed to open mount manager err 2
 not sure whta that means
 is a wine error
[18:58] <wxl[m]> Isn't there a wine channel?
[18:58] <wxl[m]> Oh well probably not on Telegram
 16:50:47.618 Submission gotError: APPEND ha fallado: Client tried to access nonexistent namespace. (Mailbox name should probably be prefixed with: INBOX.) (0.001 + 0.000 secs). ... 16:50:47.618 Submission STATE_FAILED
[20:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T60: Improved Wallpapers] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T60#1670
 wxl, @TheWendyPower: Can I get your thoughts on the LC stuff ASAP so I can get the ball rolling?
 @tsimonq2 I've read through it a few times today. It sounds good to me.
 Cool.
 wxl wxl wxl wxl wxl
 Waiting on wxl :)
[21:04] <wxl> i already said go
[21:05] <wxl> btw calamares seg faults trying to do luks
[21:05] <wxl> no clear response from anyone at #cala as to what the issue might be
 Ah
 Just checking current daily. @TheWendyPower 200px button is ok
 Gtk theme enable is ok, screen grab is out
 Only thing apparently doesn't work is to define gth-theme arc-darker. The override in gnome worked but adwaita still appears as default
 @HMollerCl [Only thing apparently doesn't work is to define gth-theme arc-darker. The overri …], So, LXQt isn't reading it correctly?
 I will send what happens after installing it
 *see
 Nope, still puts adwaita
 Apparently the .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini must exist
[22:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1671
 the setting of default gtk-theme from gsettings was added on sept2. This should be taken into cosideration by 18.10 right?
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/pull/278/commits/10945b90c8d9a084977675bc8b1db158acd4c909#diff-b37764f38e63f6ed1fa485106bf34ccaR294
[22:24] <wxl> i'm pretty sure i added that patch to mkpath if not exist
[22:25] <wxl> it's certainly something that came after the last release https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/compare/0.13.0...master
[22:26] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lxqt-config/browse/ubuntu%252Fcosmic/debian/patches/mkpath-for-null-gtk-settings.patch
[22:26] <wxl> so you can see that's only part of it
 so that's why it isn't working.
 giving that, the only way I see we can define a default is to create .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[22:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1672
[22:42] <wxl> @HMollerCl you could pull the rest of that patch in if need be
 how?
[22:43] <wxl> use that one as an example
[22:43] <wxl> more or less you want to do this: grab the diff from github, import it with quilt, and there ya go
[22:43] <wxl> that's what i did with that one
 mm I will have to thinks about it to see if I understand it.
[22:44] <wxl> i can walk you through it step by step if you need it
[22:45] <wxl> i refer to the general concept in the packaging notes but i don't explain it. it's on the todo
 thanks, now I have to go, will ping you when I have time.
[22:45] <wxl> ok
[22:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1673
[22:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1674
[22:51] <Wafficus> wxl: hey I'm home. What did you want me to dl again? A new mailing client to test out right?
[22:51] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: You should also get a bouncer first. ;)
[22:52] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: what's that my dude?
[22:52] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: is that the "bot" magic you guys have going?
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: wxl would love to explain.
[22:53] <wxl> Wafficus: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt update && sudo apt install trojita && trojita
[22:53] <Wafficus> wxl: thanks will do right now
[22:53] <Wafficus> I'm using that terminal console right now
[22:53] <Wafficus> kinda liking this a lot :)
[22:54] <Wafficus> way nicer than LxTerminal tbh
[22:54] <Wafficus> do you guys know how to use the keyboard to select text in IRC without a mouse lol?
[22:55] <Wafficus> I'm using weechat
[22:55] <Wafficus> looking through the man page now in any case
[22:56] <Wafficus> dling the packages right now
[22:56] <Wafficus> for trojita that is
[22:58] <Wafficus> so I installed it via that command
[22:58] <Wafficus> do I just run it as "trojita" in bash?
[22:58] <Wafficus> wxl: 
[22:58] <wxl> or you can click on the right icon
[22:59] <Wafficus> ah gotcha its x based
[22:59] <Wafficus> ill be back in that case
[23:03] <Wafficus> hey back
[23:04] <Wafficus> so I installed it on the terminal console window in F1
[23:04] <Wafficus> now im on the X window aka F7
[23:04] <Wafficus> I don't see the icon, do I have to reboot to see Trojita?
[23:04] <Wafficus> *like in any relevant menus in the start menu
[23:05] <Wafficus> I'll try rebooting
[23:09] <Wafficus> hey weird question
[23:09] <Wafficus> what's the default font in LxTerminal?
[23:10] <Wafficus> got it its mono space
[23:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1675
[23:19] <Wafficus> I don't see Trojita as an icon in my start menu
[23:19] <Wafficus> and whereis trojita doesn't work
[23:19] <Wafficus> wxl: 
[23:20] <wxl> just run it on the command line. we'll fix that later
[23:20] <Wafficus> command not found
[23:20] <Wafficus> trojita: command not found
[23:20] <wxl> then you didn't install it right
[23:20] <Wafficus> can you copy and paste that command again
[23:20] <wxl> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt update && sudo apt install trojita
[23:22] <Wafficus> its giving 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.95.83 80] in one of the lines
[23:22] <Wafficus> im assuming that was just for one of the mirrors
[23:22] <wxl> fix your internets :)
[23:22] <Wafficus> well if im on this
[23:22] <Wafficus> then clearly my internet works
[23:22] <wxl> some of it does at least
[23:22] <Wafficus> hmm
[23:23] <Wafficus> what is a command that i can put the output of my bash console into a text file
[23:23] <Wafficus> like just use the arrow key right
[23:24] <Wafficus> like:
[23:24] <Wafficus> sudo add-apt-respository ppa:wxl/testy-testy > test.txt?
[23:24] <wxl> yep
[23:25] <Wafficus> I did that command and now I'm waiting
[23:25] <Wafficus> I'm wondering how its gonna take the input for the Enter key
[23:25] <Wafficus> its just hanging for now
[23:26] <wxl> it probably won't
[23:26] <Wafficus> damn
[23:26] <Wafficus> alright I'll just copy and paste it then
 It should show under the Internet category on your menu after you get it installed, it worked for me.
[23:26] <wxl> you can use the -y switch
[23:26] <wxl> @kc2bez he is having more fundamental problems
 I see that. I just wanted to let you know @wxl that it did populate my menu.
[23:27] <wxl> yay :)
[23:28] <Wafficus> https://pastebin.com/ws02hThq
[23:29] <Wafficus> ^ there's my output
[23:30] <wxl> Wafficus: give us /etc/apt/sources.list
 Bionic?
[23:32] <Wafficus> ok
[23:32] <wxl> oh actually yeah
[23:32] <wxl> all kinds of broken things
 should be cosmic no?
[23:33] <wxl> well he might be on bionic
[23:33] <wxl> trojita won't work on it, though
[23:33] <wxl> you should open up a virtual machine and run it that way Wafficus 
 yeah I wondered.
[23:34] <Wafficus> https://pastebin.com/2VRGdz0a
[23:34] <Wafficus> I only have 2 gigs of ram though wxl 
[23:36] <wxl> so?
[23:36] <wxl> lines 56 and 58 are duplicates
[23:36] <Wafficus> I didn't think I could run vms on this thing :0
[23:36] <Wafficus> 4 gigs of ram rather sorry
[23:36] <Wafficus> not 2
[23:36] <wxl> also if you look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d you'll find files related to cool-retro-term and compton that should be removed 
[23:37] <wxl> so run a vm with 1gb of ram
[23:37] <Wafficus> I've never done it :/
[23:37] <wxl> in any case you can't run trojita on bionic
[23:37] <Wafficus> do I have to install vmware?
[23:37] <Wafficus> am I on Bionic?
[23:37] <wxl> virtualbox would probably be easiest but if you can figure it out, virt-manager (kvm/qemu) would probably be a better use of resources
[23:38] <wxl> lsb_release -a will tell you
[23:38] <Wafficus> ah yeah I'm on bionic
[23:38] <Wafficus> so I have to download an iso of cosmic then?
[23:38] <wxl> yep
[23:38] <Wafficus> ok
[23:40] <Wafficus> I have x86_64
[23:40] <Wafficus> so I'm assuming 32 bit release Cosmic right?
[23:40] <wxl> 64
[23:40] <Wafficus> really?
[23:40] <Wafficus> i'm on x84_64 right now
[23:41] <Wafficus> ok
[23:41] <wxl> that's 64
[23:41] <Wafficus> ah gotcha
[23:41] <Wafficus> dling the iso
[23:41] <Wafficus> installing virtualbox
[23:41] <Wafficus> gonna be fun
[23:41] <Wafficus> I kinda like the vm idea, never really did it
[23:42] <Wafficus> I guess I love emulators too, so I've been doing it for a while without really realizing it haha
[23:42] <Wafficus> but yeah when I get the ISO, just do a live disc boot of it right?
[23:44] <wxl> yup
[23:45] <Wafficus> ok i'll keep you updated
[23:45] <Wafficus> like usual I kinda only have an hour at home so I'll hopefully get this done before 8:30 pm
[23:45] <Wafficus> once I get it, run that command right, and make sure it installs
[23:45] <Wafficus> and just test it out right?
[23:46] <wxl> yeah, you shouldn't even need to install the system
[23:47] <Wafficus> cool will do
[23:47] <Wafficus> makes me wanna distro hop a bit haha
[23:47] <Wafficus> jk, I still like Lubuntu a lot
[23:48] <Wafficus> I tried Puppy like a month ago, ugh, somethings so jenky about that
[23:48] <Wafficus> like i wanna like it for being able to run that fast, but damn, is the actual GUI menu just all over the place
[23:48] <wxl> that is the ugly underarm pimple of linux
[23:48] <Wafficus> at least ours is elegant
[23:48] <wxl> ANY other distro is better
[23:48] <Wafficus> wxl: I see you agree haha
[23:48] <Wafficus> wxl: What's your take on it?
[23:48] <wxl> it's gross and disgusting XD
[23:48] <Wafficus> wxl: I say its the menu that just isn't user friendly, its all over the place
[23:49] <wxl> under the hood it's just bizarre too
[23:49] <Wafficus> really?
[23:49] <Wafficus> btw how do you leave a channel in IRC?
[23:49] <Wafficus> just wanted to leave #linux for now
[23:49] <wxl>  /part #channel
[23:50] <Wafficus> I tried that
[23:50] <Wafficus> hmm
[23:50] <Wafficus> I tried /part ##linux
[23:50] <Wafficus> weird
[23:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1676