[01:39] <dman777> hello, I installed 18.04 server image successfully. However, if I try to install something like wicd, it tells me the package is not found.
[01:43] <dman777> doesn't the server edition come with all the repos?
[01:43] <dman777> for basic stuff?
[01:46] <tomreyn> dman777: no, due to a bug it does not
[01:46] <tomreyn> dman777: bug 1783129
[01:47] <dman777> If I installed the desktop version instead, would it allow me to exclude a desktop manager?
[01:49] <tomreyn> dman777: no, but you could uninstall desktop packages later. but if the goal is to install a server then this would be a lot more cumbersome than just to use one of the workarounds discussed on this bug report.
[01:49] <hck_> hi
[01:50] <hck_> answer me
[01:50] <tomreyn> !ask | hck_
[01:51] <tomreyn> dman777: i.e. your easiest option is just to add the missing apt sources after installation. or to use the daily server installer build instead: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/bionic/daily-live/current/
[01:52] <jas> lol @ answer me
[01:52] <jas> gl
[01:53] <dman777> tomreyn: just to confirm, i just need to get /etc/apt/sources.list file and then do a apt-get update with it? is there a place I get a copy that is safe/not altered?
[01:53] <hck_> what ?
[01:54] <hck_> Why do the icons look bad when a program was installed, do they look pixelated?
[01:55] <tomreyn> dman777: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6KHg4QPXvF/ is probably fine, just replace 'us.' by your country code (or remove it entirely).
[01:56] <tomreyn> !details | hck_
[01:58] <hck_> my icon of a application look bad.
[01:58] <tomreyn> dman777: make sure you read those notes, too, unless you're not aware of the (in some cases 0) support level of those other components. using "ubuntu-support-status" can help you verify.
[01:58] <jas> not very specific...
[01:59] <tomreyn> hck_: which ubuntu version, desktop (or ubuntu variant), graphics card, graphics driver, do you want to post a screenshot?
[02:07] <dman777> tomreyn: ok...thanks. Just to confirm...those repos from the pastebin are for LTS software? I installed wicd-gtk and now ubuntu-support-status shows 0.6% or 4 packages unsupported
[02:08] <tomreyn> !components | dman777
[02:09] <tomreyn> dman777: not all components receive security support. that's why i suggested you read the notes on the pastebin i pointed to. this is also, and better, explained on the above wiki pages.
[02:12] <tomreyn> see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Official_Support
[02:12] <dman777> tomreyn: ok, thank you :)
[02:13] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[03:14] <hck_> hi
[03:16] <hck_> How can I create a flowchart of program in java POO?
[03:32] <LinuxGuy2020> "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386" will not add i386 arch to the system. Clean install. What might cause this?
[03:32] <LinuxGuy2020> "sudo dpkg --print-architecture" only lists amd64
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> LinuxGuy2020: what are you trying to do for what reason on wich ubuntu version please?
[03:35] <LinuxGuy2020> I need to install i386 packages
[03:38] <LinuxGuy2020> bucky beaver
[03:42] <foareel> LinuxGuy2020: bionic? 18.04?
[03:42] <LinuxGuy2020> yeah that one
[03:42] <foareel> on my setup it automagically selects i386 when i install wine-development e.g.
[03:43] <LinuxGuy2020> .....cue the crickets
[04:01] <ilias_gr> hi all. does anyone maybe know why using skype for ubuntu the systray icon doesn't change when user switch between different system's icon packs? i use *.deb package not a snap one. as you can see in notification area preference appears the faenza icon after configuration set (https://pasteboard.co/HGy8pJE.png) but in systray appears the default icon (https://pasteboard.co/HGy9Biy.png) any idea on this issue?
[04:01] <ilias_gr>  hi all. does anyone maybe know why using skype for ubuntu the systray icon doesn't change when user switch between different system's icon packs? i use *.deb package not a snap one. as you can see in notification area preference appears the faenza icon after configuration set (https://pasteboard.co/HGy8pJE.png) but in systray appears the default icon (https://pasteboard.co/HGy9Biy.png) any idea on this issue?
[04:05] <pikia> In tmux, how can I copy something and then paste it to something like chrome?
[04:16] <BuTiToY> hi, is there somebody who are using VPN specifically with L2TP connection?
[04:17] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: and if there was? then what?
[04:19] <BuTiToY> I am having issue with connecting with L2TP using ubuntu 16.04 and 17.04
[04:20] <BuTiToY> I needed to connect to L2TP for work
[04:23] <catbeard> hey folks, trying to get `scrot -s` bound to a custom hotkey, got the hotkey added, but the selection part only comes up when executing scrot from terminal
[04:24] <catbeard> otherwise it completely skips the scrot selection and doesn't upload anything, this is for a custom screenshot hotkey
[04:25] <catbeard> the bash script for it is in $PATH has execute permissions, the syntax i'm using is `scrot -z --select $filename` where $filename is dated/entropied
[04:26] <catbeard> 18.04.1 lts 64bit
[04:29] <catbeard> also the selector borders seem a bit wonky, and they 'disappear' somewhat when moving the selection box
[04:29] <catbeard> i'd take a screenshot but..
[04:36] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: and did your VPN provider provide with with client software application to use or are you simply using openvpn without 3rd party client software?
[04:37] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: provide "you" with
[04:37] <KSaunderson> hey, is CoC-talk permitted here?
[04:47] <BuTiToY> I am not using any 3rd party software, I added VPN connection in settings... also tried openvpn or swan something I found on the web while searching on how to connect to L2TP (VPN)... but to no success :(
[04:48] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[04:49] <BuTiToY> I am using windows now since I cannot connect to L2TP... wait I go get my other laptop running on ubuntu 16.04
[04:50] <KSaunderson> I would like to talk about the juicy delicious CoC, but i do not know if it is permitted?
[04:51] <Bashing-om> KSaunderson: That is in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[04:51] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: in terminal> sudo apt install inxi
[04:51] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: let me know when done
[04:51] <KSaunderson> Bashing-om: Righty-O!
[05:02] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: your response times are long...i gotta go
[05:02] <BuTiToY> yes I installed
[05:02] <BuTiToY> sorry
[05:03] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: ok..let's do this as swift as possible
[05:03] <BuTiToY> ok
[05:03] <BuTiToY> done installing inxi
[05:03] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: in terminal> inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:03] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[05:04] <BuTiToY> http://termbin.com/2hjj
[05:04] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: journalctl|grep ovp|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:04] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[05:05] <BuTiToY> ok
[05:06] <BuTiToY> no url in termbin for journalctl
[05:06] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: ok standby
[05:08] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: journalctl SYSLOG_IDENTIFIER=NetworkManager|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:09] <BuTiToY> ok
[05:10] <BuTiToY> http://tembin.com/j4f0
[05:12] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: journalctl|grep vpn|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:13] <BuTiToY> none
[05:13] <BuTiToY> no url
[05:16] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: apt list --installed|grep vpn
[05:16] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: apt list --installed|grep vpn|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:17] <BuTiToY> the 2nd one? or both?
[05:18] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: second one
[05:18] <BuTiToY> http://tembin.com/fma
[05:18] <BuTiToY> http://tembin.com/fmam
[05:20] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: you don't even have openvpn installed
[05:21] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: you'll need to install and use openvpn or obtain 3rd party vpn client software from your work IT department
[05:22] <BuTiToY> ok I will try to install openvpn... any notes or links for tutorials I could use for use L2TP?
[05:24] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: https://www.ovpn.com/en/guides/ubuntu-gui
[05:25] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: guide above is written for 14.04 HOWEVER package names have not changed
[05:25] <BuTiToY> thanks RoscoePColtrane
[05:25] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: you'll install the same package names
[05:26] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: you can ignore the first two steps about changing dns...that's not necessary for you..you simply need to install the packages
[05:27] <BuTiToY> ic, noted thanks
[05:28] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: https://askubuntu.com/questions/760664/ubuntu-16-04-openvpn
[05:28] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: there's a cleaner list of packages you need to install
[05:28] <RoscoePColtrane> BuTiToY: get those installed and try again
[05:29] <BuTiToY> thanks RoscoePColtrane
[05:41] <LibertyWeNeed> Hello everyone. can someone please tell me how to remove icons from the dash in ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS ? I uninstalled freeplane but it is still in the dash
[05:42] <EriC^^> LibertyWeNeed: did you try restarting?
[05:42] <LibertyWeNeed> yes
[05:43] <EriC^^> LibertyWeNeed: try "dpkg -l | grep freeplane" anything there?
[05:43] <LibertyWeNeed> nope
[05:44] <LibertyWeNeed> immediately went back to $
[05:44] <EriC^^> LibertyWeNeed: try "grep -iR freeplane /usr/share/applications ~/.local/share/applications"
[05:45] <LibertyWeNeed> just blank space
[05:46] <EriC^^> in the dash or launcher you men?
[05:46] <EriC^^> *mean
[05:47] <LibertyWeNeed> that thing with 9 dots in the bottom left hand corner
[05:48] <EriC^^> no idea
[05:49] <LibertyWeNeed> there is no image in the icon. just the name Freeplane and a blank space
[05:49] <EriC^^> try "grep -iR freeplane /etc /usr ~/" see what pops up maybe
[05:49] <EriC^^> aha
[05:49] <EriC^^> can you right click it and remove or something?
[05:50] <LibertyWeNeed> yes and when I click show details it goes straight to the ubuntu software center
[05:50] <catbeard> viva la apt!
[05:50] <EriC^^> LibertyWeNeed: try "grep -i freeplane ~"
[05:51] <LibertyWeNeed> grep: /home/andri: Is a directory
[05:51] <EriC^^> ah sorry
[05:51] <EriC^^> "grep -iR freeplane ~"
[05:52] <LibertyWeNeed> grep: /home/andri/.mozilla/firefox/yjbsjrhq.default/lock: No such file or directory
[05:54] <EriC^^> LibertyWeNeed: it says on the gnome site right click the icon then click remove from favorites
[05:56] <LibertyWeNeed> there is an "add to favorites" option but not a remove from favorites
[05:56] <catbeard> then it's not a favorite
[06:00] <LibertyWeNeed> do you think this is just a bug in gnome?
[06:01] <catbeard> gnome IS the bug imo
[06:04] <LibertyWeNeed> haha
[06:16] <catbeard> tried a lot of things, can't get scrot to work the way i'd like
[06:17] <catbeard> and it's buggy when i get it to work (only works in gnome-terminal)
[06:17] <catbeard> i guess i could shortcut gnome-terminal and then bash ~/bin/screenshot
[06:17] <catbeard> as the command yanno, not sure of gnome-terminal's syntax to do that as a keyboard shortcut
[06:18] <catbeard> and flags to close gnome-terminal when done
[06:19] <catbeard> or better still to run with 100% transparency or hidden otherwise
[06:20] <catbeard> there's a notify-send at the end to pop up a notification that the screenshot url was copied to the clipboard
[06:23] <catbeard> if anyone kind enough can maybe hel[lp] with it
[06:27] <ilias_gr> hi all. I there any systray applet alterantive to xfce notification area plugin ?
[06:51] <untoreh> hello does someone know a zsh plugin for this apt stuff?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/65245/apt-get-update-only-for-a-specific-repository
[07:07] <ilias_gr> i found that Status Notifier Plugin is alternative to Notification area plugin for xfce but it is only available for 18.04 and 17.10 . Is it possible to be installed in 16.04 ?
[07:35] <bumblehead> I'm using cosmic cuttlefish and need to boot one of the older kernels from the grub boot list, otherwise at some point during the boot process the screen goes black with blinking cursor
[07:35] <bumblehead> and it stays that way until I turn off the machine
[07:36] <bumblehead> if anyone has any ideas for me, I would be glad to try them
[07:37] <bumblehead> I clicked a button in gnome software to restart and update and that seemed to cause the issue
[07:38] <hateball> bumblehead: cosmic is in #ubuntu+1
[07:39] <bumblehead> hateball: I like your nick
[07:39] <bumblehead> I'll go to ubuntu+1 then...
[07:41] <bumblehead> #ubuntu+1 is a small channel
[07:47] <alive> #ubuntu+2 is even smaller
[07:51] <bumblehead> I added `WaylandEnable=false` to /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[07:51] <bumblehead> and that seems to have resolved it
[07:54] <bumblehead> well goodnight everyone
[07:54] <bumblehead> goodnight hateball
[08:17] <Vic2> Ubuntu 18.04 uses "netplan" instead of "ifupdown" to configure network devices / IP addresses. I've not found sufficient documentation to demonstrate how to configure multiple IPs such as we have on Ubuntu 14.04.  Can you offer a link or practical advice please?
[08:18] <guiver_d> Vic2: the Ubuntu wiki refers you to https://netplan.io/
[08:31] <servergeek> I had no idea that they use netplan
[08:31] <servergeek> interesting
[08:32] <Vic2> I see nothing that offers any information concerning virtual ethernet ... we have several IP addresses on the server and in the past created virtual ethernet for each ... how to accomplish now?
[08:33] <Vic2> Or, is the answer this:  Interface aliases (e.g. eth0:0) are not supported.   Meaning that Ubuntu is no longer sufficient as an server OS?
[08:35] <MannyLNJ>  Need help please. I am stuck booting into emergency mode. Looks like systemd times out on device dev-disk-by\x2uuid-19f9f559\x2d172e\x2d249\s2dae2d\x2d4d4bcb519248.device How can i fix this issue
[08:51] <guiver_d> Vic2: you could try #ubuntu-server
[08:55] <Vic2> Ahh, ok guiver_d, ty.
[08:58] <MannyLNJ> How do I find out what partition   device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-8C0A\x2dE987.device is?  So I can fix my system not starting
[09:08] <jc_swisscom> Hi Guys,
[09:09] <jc_swisscom> I've 2 quick questions regarding landscape solution ?
[09:09] <jc_swisscom> Anyone there has experience with ?
[09:27] <tachikomas> Hello. I'm trying to change the langage of all of my 18.04, if i use the settings builtin, i'm having half/half. Any idea to switch fully the langage to another one ?
[09:34] <blackflow> tachikomas: maybe you need to fully log out and back in?
[09:34] <tachikomas> blackflow, done already
[09:35] <JFox762> is it possible to create a swap partition, on my currently running ubuntu installation?
[09:35] <blackflow> tachikomas: then I suppose not all ui elements are translated/translatable to your lang of choice
[09:35] <JFox762> I just checked gparted, and see that I have no swap partition
[09:35] <tachikomas> i want to switch back to english ;)
[09:35] <blackflow> JFox762: you can create a swapfile
[09:35] <JFox762> ???
[09:35] <JFox762> I want a swap partition for the purpose of enabling hibernation
[09:36] <blackflow> JFox762: well you didn't specify. do you have free space for another partition?
[09:36] <JFox762> absolutely
[09:36] <blackflow> tachikomas: maybe reboot?
[09:36] <tachikomas> blackflow, done too :D
[09:37] <blackflow> tachikomas: so which parts are not english?
[09:38] <JFox762> how do i add a partition?
[09:38] <JFox762> Gparted won't let me cut out a partition from the free space
[09:38] <JFox762> says i have to unmount the drive
[09:39] <JFox762> which ... i figure if i tried that, it would crash my laptop
[09:39] <blackflow> JFox762: so it's not adding a new partition at the end, but re-tailoring the existing table?
[09:39] <JFox762> All I have is a boot partition
[09:39] <JFox762> and tha tis it
[09:41] <JFox762> blackflow:
[09:41] <blackflow> JFox762: I don't know gparted specifically (I'm a fan of parted, no g), but I guess if /boot is the only thing mounted on that drive, you can do it.
[09:41] <JFox762> i get that
[09:41] <blackflow> it definitely won't crash if you unmount /boot (but make sure it's re-mounted before you run updates or grub/initramfs re-configs)
[09:43] <JFox762> but gparted wont let me
[09:43] <JFox762> when i try to unmount sda1 it says the target partition is busy
[09:44] <JFox762> Do I just need to run the Ubuntu live usb?
[09:44] <blackflow> JFox762: this sounds a bit suspicious. Is that another drive beside your main drive? how come only /boot is there?
[09:45] <leftyfb> JFox762: yes. You need to run from live usb in order to resize your root or other partitions that are in use when booted to your OS
[09:45] <JFox762> OOOOOooooh
[09:45] <JFox762> that makes sense
[09:45] <JFox762> guess i cant do it right now then
[09:45] <JFox762> dont have it with me
[09:45] <JFox762> shucks
[09:45] <blackflow> "All I have is boot partition" .....
[09:45] <JFox762> actually
[09:45] <JFox762> i do have a USB stick with me
[09:46] <leftyfb> JFox762: you could also look into creating a swap file as opposed to a swap partition
[09:47] <JFox762> what is the program that comes with ubuntu to create a ubuntu live usb?
[09:47] <blackflow> now that we are getting actual truthful information, bit by bit.......    there's a HUGE warning sticker attached to repartitioning your only/main drive with root.
[09:47] <JFox762> hmmm
[09:47] <JFox762> i should back up my files then
[09:48] <JFox762> error creating directory /media/username/USB128
[09:48] <JFox762> permission denied
[09:48] <JFox762> wtfrack?
[09:50] <JFox762> Hmm nm
[09:50] <JFox762> fixed iut
[09:51] <JFox762> is it normal... if my Laptop is asleep, that the battery still drains in a day or two?
[09:51] <JFox762> I understand Sleep mode still uses a bit of electricity
[09:52] <blackflow> JFox762: sleep as in "suspend to RAM"?
[09:52] <JFox762> yes
[09:52] <blackflow> definitely.
[09:52] <JFox762> Sleep as in suspend to ram
[09:52] <JFox762> Ok
[09:52] <blackflow> whether it's a day or two or ten depends on the hardware
[09:52] <JFox762> so hibernate, which suspends to HD, should be better?
[09:52] <JFox762> my laptop is a Lenovo T430s, and the HD is a SSD
[09:52] <blackflow> yes, that's a full poweroff of the system
[09:54] <JFox762> Hmmm shoot
[09:54] <JFox762> this first backup is taking a long time
[09:55] <JFox762> Soooo... Hibernate mode, takes a bit longer for the laptop to start up
[09:55] <JFox762> but that should be minimal, considering my laptop is an SSD
[09:56] <JFox762> So the difference between suspend and hibernate resume time should be minimal
[09:56] <blackflow> JFox762: "hibernation" writes out memory contents to the swap partition and prepares the boot loader with a bit different code path to bootstrap from that partition
[09:57] <JFox762> ok
[09:57] <blackflow> it's very much different. sleep mode just halts the cpu and puts it in a lower S state. when you power it back on, it picks up where it left, so the sleep mode has to keep alive the cpu and memory and motherboard and periferals, powered, but in lower state
[09:58] <JFox762> I think Hibernate would be a better option for HandleLidSwitch under logind.conf
[09:58] <blackflow> hibernation is like full boot in that it has to read entire memory back from the disk first. at 100MB/s for example, sequential read for spinning rust, and 4G of RAM used, do the math
[09:58] <JFox762> as it would keep the battery from dying
[09:59] <JFox762> I have 8gb ram
[09:59] <blackflow> hibernation is full power off. as if you ran "power off".
[09:59] <JFox762> but yes
[10:00] <JFox762> so hibernation mode is a better option if i put my laptop away after lid close, and have no idea when i might plug it in again
[10:00] <JFox762> as it would ensure my battery doesn't drain so quickly while sitting in my backpack
[10:01] <lotus|NUC> JFox762: just my opinion, if i dont use my laptop i sudo halt
[10:01] <leftyfb> JFox762: to be honest, I've never seen suspend/hibernate work great on any computer ever.
[10:01] <JFox762> I want to try it
[10:01] <leftyfb> JFox762: my laptop boots pretty quick every time after shutting down completely
[10:04] <JFox762> oops
[10:04] <JFox762> back
[10:07] <lotus|NUC> !landscape | jc_swisscom
[10:08] <lotus|NUC> !uuid | MannyLNJ
[10:11] <JFox762> I really am kicking myself for not creating a swap partition
[10:11] <JFox762> stupid stupid stupid
[10:11] <selckin> just shut it down
[10:12] <blackflow> JFox762: well, like I said I don't know gparted specifically, but with tools like parted you should be able to add a (swap) partition on a running system, assuming it's _adding_ a partition at the end of the table.
[10:13] <blackflow> if you have to resize and shuffle existing partitions, then yes, you need to do that offlie
[10:13] <blackflow> *offline
[10:13] <JFox762> offline?
[10:13] <JFox762> as in from a live instance?
[10:13] <blackflow> yes, as in "not booted into root on that drive"
[10:13] <selckin> is that hard to click your browser icon after it boots?
[10:13] <jc_swisscom> ubottu: Thx, I found that Debian Client is *unofficially* supported (which is the answer to my first question ;-)).
[10:14] <selckin> hibernate is just unneeded complexity
[10:14] <JFox762> im creating a backup to one USB drive
[10:14] <JFox762> and a live usb on the other
[10:14] <JFox762> Just in case I bork my install
[10:14] <blackflow> JFox762: you still didn't asnwer my implicit questions.... are you _adding_ a partition at the end, or resizing/shuffling existing around?
[10:14] <JFox762> ...
[10:14] <JFox762> I dont know
[10:15] <JFox762> there is only one partition
[10:15] <blackflow> surely you must know. the computer won't do it for you.
[10:15] <jc_swisscom> Second question is, does it support lifecyle patching management ? (ie: Patch Dev Env. on January / Patch Qual. on February / Patch Prod. on March) with same level of package applied ?
[10:15] <blackflow> JFox762: you said you had free space. where is it? at the end of the drive? after the existing partitions?
[10:15] <JFox762> no
[10:15] <blackflow> jc_swisscom: that's a bot you're talking to.
[10:16] <JFox762> i dont mean free space partition
[10:16] <JFox762> i mean... there is free space on teh boot partition
[10:16] <lotus|NUC> jc_swisscom: i think for landscape questions you better adress to canonical
[10:16] <jc_swisscom> JFox762: What does fdisk -l gives ?
[10:16] <jc_swisscom> blackflow: thx :-)
[10:16] <JFox762> permission denied
[10:16] <JFox762> hmm
[10:16] <blackflow> JFox762: I see, so you have no free space to partition from. Yeah, you'll have to break your system.
[10:16] <JFox762> let me sudo tht
[10:17] <ilias_gr> hi all. If a package is only available for bionic is t possible to be installed in xenial ?
[10:17] <Ben64> no
[10:17] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/U1AcGvwr
[10:18] <JFox762> why can't i resize a partition
[10:18] <JFox762> from the empty space within that partition?
[10:18] <JFox762> is that not an option?
[10:19] <blackflow> JFox762: because that's the main root partition. you'll have to do it "offline", eg. from a liveUSB environment
[10:19] <ilias_gr> Ben64 thanks. Do you maybe know any alternative to Notifiacation plugin for xfce available for xenial ?
[10:19] <JFox762> oooh no i know that
[10:19] <jc_swisscom> JFox762: You have one single partition that is using your whole disk.
[10:19] <JFox762> hence why im creating the liveUSB
[10:19] <JFox762> yes jc_swisscom
[10:19] <blackflow> JFox762: but eh... I refuse to help you with that, so please don't ask me to. Becasue you don't know what you're doing and explaining how to do it will take whole day and I refuse to tie myself into supporting you with that. sorry.
[10:19] <Ben64> ilias_gr: not sure what that is?
[10:20] <JFox762> no its ok blackflow
[10:20] <JFox762> i get it
[10:20] <blackflow> JFox762: why creating live usb? just use the installer iso
[10:20] <JFox762> i dont have it
[10:20] <blackflow> download it?
[10:20] <ilias_gr> notification area plugin for xfce
[10:20] <Ben64> i'm sure such a thing already exists
[10:21] <ilias_gr> i am looking for an alternative more configurable
[10:25] <JFox762> ok
[10:25] <JFox762> going to try doing it now
[10:25] <JFox762> wish me luck!
[10:25] <JFox762> if it screws up... ive got backups
[10:30] <stevenm> Hey if you spot a crazy dependency for a package in the main repo - what's the best way to report that?
[10:30] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: what are we talking about mate?
[10:31] <stevenm> lotus|NUC, I install gsmartcontrol  -  just a little desktop UI for viewing the SMART status of hard disks (e.g. if I'm plugging them in via USB - to see if they're any good or not)
[10:32] <stevenm> lotus|NUC, that depends smartmontools... which then recommends 'mailx' a virtual package that ends up installing mailutils which depends on 'default-mta'
[10:32] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: did you install it via apt?
[10:32] <stevenm> in short a tiny UI of gsmartcontrol gets you Postfix being installed :)
[10:32] <stevenm> lotus|NUC, yup
[10:33] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: you have other external ppa's added to your system?
[10:33] <stevenm> nope
[10:33] <Shabbysheik> stevenm: did you try "--ignore-depends="
[10:33] <stevenm> tested in a fresh installed 18.04 VM to be sure as well
[10:34] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: ok tnx, can you pastebin us whats happening please
[10:36] <stevenm> lotus|NUC, https://pastebin.com/raw/WQRejjdJ
[10:36] <stevenm> an easy fix would be having 'mailx' be a suggested package for 'smartmontools' - not a recommend
[10:37] <stevenm> I think previously s-nail has been preferred over this mailutils - and s-nail doesn't require an MTA
[10:39] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: i dont see apt spit out errors on your paste?
[10:39] <stevenm> I never said there was an error - i said there was a crazy dependency
[10:40] <blackflow> stevenm: unfortunately, that's the case with smartmontools and filing a bug report won't fix this. unless, someone's willing to create a package with no mta ability liek eg..... smartmontools-nomail  or something like that. equally unlikely.
[10:40] <stevenm> also what your not seeing in that paste is the 2 or 3 purple screens asking you to configure Postfix too :)
[10:41] <blackflow> though I agree... actually.... it's crazy. smartmontools shouldn't pull in anything mail related. you simply won't have mailing capabilities unless you install that excplicitly.
[10:41] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: if apt says it needs something, let it do its job :p
[10:41] <blackflow> lotus|NUC: you're misunderstanding the issue :)
[10:41] <stevenm> that's pure nonsense :)
[10:41] <blackflow> smartmontools pulls in halfa mailing suites
[10:42] <stevenm> if it wants to install an MTA I'd better be installing something that *really* can't work without a proper MTA
[10:42] <lotus|NUC> then talk the the #ubuntu-release guys
[10:42] <stevenm> otherwise - it's an insane thing to pull in
[10:42] <lotus|NUC> to
[10:42] <blackflow> waste of time, this should start with debian's packaging
[10:42] <stevenm> blackflow, true i checked their packages.debian.org - similar problem
[10:43] <blackflow> same actually, not just similar. the dependency on mailx comes with the upstream debs
[10:43] <stevenm> but on my debian servers I always install s-nail on all boxes before installing anything else anyway
[10:43] <stevenm> so it must avoid the problem as that satisfies 'mailx' virtual package
[10:43] <blackflow> stevenm: what if you isntalled ssmtp?
[10:44] <blackflow> oh, s-nail?
[10:44] <stevenm> blackflow, yeah I think s-nail used to be hairloom-mailx
[10:44] <stevenm> then before that just simply 'mailx'
[10:44] <blackflow> that fixes it?
[10:44] <blackflow> (as in, it won't pull in the entire MTA?)
[10:44] <stevenm> so at some point mailutils has been shoved in as an alternative - but wanting a WHOLE MTA :)
[10:45] <stevenm> and it's preference is somehow higher than the actual continuation of mailx ... s-nail
[10:46] <blackflow> I don't think any thing mail-related should be a dep of smartmoontools just because it installs and runs smartd by default. that thing can _log_ as well, not just send out mails.
[10:46] <stevenm> blackflow, too true
[10:46] <blackflow> but.... the fix is upstream. I seriously doubt ubuntu package would deviate from that.
[10:47] <stevenm> so basically get it fixed in sid and wait until maybe ubuntu 20.04 ?  (i only use LTS versions :P)
[10:47] <stevenm> fair enough
[10:47] <blackflow> unfortunately.
[10:47] <blackflow> or use an alternative for reading out smart attribs. surely there exists some, though I haven't checked.
[10:47] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[10:48] <stevenm> blackflow, i was just wondering if the GNOME Disk Utility thingy might be able to
[10:48] <stevenm> not checked - just used to using GSmartControl
[10:48] <lotus|NUC> blackflow stevenm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smartmontools/+bug/158909
[10:48] <raddy> I used fdupes utility recently
[10:48] <raddy> I found it to be working recursively
[10:49] <raddy> I found no option to disable it
[10:49] <blackflow> lotus|NUC: stevenm:    2007  :)
[10:49] <stevenm> lotus|NUC, lol :)
[10:49] <stevenm> yeah
[10:49] <lotus|NUC> yea
[10:49] <stevenm> I think I've just never noticed before because I'd already have 'heirloom-mailx' installed
[10:49] <blackflow> I'm gonna sub to that one... now that you mention this, I'd like to see this fixed too
[10:49] <stevenm> of which 's-nail' is now the successor
[10:50] <stevenm> just so my bash scripts can use the occassional smtp server to send a message
[10:50] <stevenm> i mean having a 'recommends' of mailx at all is nuts - but having it default to 'mailutils' is worse as it pulls the MTA
[10:51] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools here is also mailx mentioned
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:55] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: so perhaps when wanting to run it as a deamon apt pulls mailx too?
[10:56] <blackflow> stevenm: then again.... this is only about defaults. otherwise   --no-install-recommends is the key
[10:57] <lotus|NUC> cookie is for Shabbysheik :p
[11:00] <stevenm> blackflow, --no-install-recommends is one of the first things I set globally on all servers
[11:00] <stevenm> but I shouldn't be expected to that on desktops really
[11:00] <stevenm> recommends should be sane enough
[11:06] <stevenm> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/mailx
[11:06] <stevenm> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/mailx
[11:06] <stevenm> wtf
[11:06] <stevenm> s-nail has been removed as a package providing mailx
[11:10] <alive> 18.10 is shaping up to be really nice
[11:11] <lotus|NUC> alive: #ubuntu+1 for cosmic talk please
[11:12] <alive> Sorry, didn't mean to
[11:16] <lotus|NUC> stevenm: talk to the #ubuntu-release guys, they might see a logic in all this
[11:18] <stevenm> lotus|NUC, blackflow - for now I've just documented it in my internal notes thusly... https://pastebin.com/raw/jRM6dbVG
[11:18] <imsurit> hey guys... I have ssh locked out myself from my ubuntu server. I can ping the system... The website hosted in the server are up and running but I cant ssh into it.
[11:20] <lotus|NUC> imsurit: check #ubuntu-server and #openssh mate
[11:20] <gpunk> wait for the timeout ...
[11:21] <imsurit> lotus|NUC: will do that too... lets see if anyone here knows a thing or two
[11:21] <imsurit> gpunk: Whats the time ??
[11:22] <gpunk> depends on the configured fail2ban, maybe
[11:23] <imsurit> ok
[11:24] <tomreyn> imsurit: is the server remote to you, and you have no out of band access to it?
[11:25] <imsurit> tomreyn: no I dont have.... thats the issue.... I am ready to remotely restart the server too.... if there is anyway
[11:27] <blackflow> imsurit: locked out how? with repeated failed password?
[11:29] <imsurit> blackflow: actually no.... The update and a restart was due for long..... so today I updated and restarted the server..... and thats when the problem started..... it neither restarted nor updated.
[11:29] <imsurit> and also the connection was lost
[11:30] <blackflow> imsurit: so what's the exact problem then? can you pastebin the output of ssh client's side when run with -v    ?
[11:30] <imsurit> when I checked... all the ports are now closed
[11:30] <blackflow> did you set up a firewall?
[11:30] <blackflow> imsurit: or... if I understand you correctly, it all worked fine until you rebooted post-update, after a longish uptime?
[11:31] <imsurit> blackflow:  yes... the problem started when I updated and rebooted
[11:32] <blackflow> imsurit: if the services haven't started, then I'm guessing it stuck in the boot process somewhere. you'll need some kind of KVM acccess (keyboard-video-mouse) to that and verify.
[11:32] <gpunk> if you want, you can give us the IP, we will check if ports are closed for everyone not just your IP
[11:33] <imsurit> gpunk: I checked it from my another server... its down for everyone
[11:33] <imsurit> blackflow: thats what I think too
[11:34] <gpunk> can you reboot it ?
[11:35] <gpunk> i think try to reboot it one more time is worth a test
[11:35] <blackflow> imsurit: just ssh or other services too?
[11:36] <imsurit> blackflow: the ftp is down... I had closed the telnet earlier
[11:36] <gpunk> telnet ?
[11:36] <blackflow> imsurit:   ?!?!   telnet   ?!?!
[11:36] <gpunk> wow
[11:36] <imsurit> blackflow: down
[11:36] <gpunk> i hope noone sniffed your password
[11:36] <blackflow> imsurit: why are you running telnet, got a mud/mush there?
[11:37] <imsurit> gpunk: I guess I am not..
[11:38] <imsurit> blackflow: I dont have telnet.... I hadnt had any watchdog either...  I dont know mush but mosh isnt working either
[11:38] <blackflow> sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about :)
[11:39] <blackflow> may I recommend you find some professional system administration services?
[11:40] <blackflow> I mean, if that's a public server (and not something you test/play with in LAN) then it would be terribly irresponsible, not to say borderline criminal, to run a public server with no knowledge or experience.
[11:40] <imsurit> blackflow: sure... will look into that too
[11:41] <imsurit> blackflow: its my personal VPS
[11:41] <gpunk> can you run nmap and show us the result ?
[11:41] <blackflow> imsurit: doesn't matter what's it used for, if it's on public internet, then it's a huge liability.
[13:07] <FurretUber> Hi, after I installed the LXD Snap I'm having issues at boot and shutdown. On boot one service may fail and the system may have no internet, while shutdown, which took 20 seconds before is taking 5 minutes
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: Does the issue persist when you remove the snap?
[13:08] <FurretUber> I did not test this, as I need the LXD containers running. I suppose removing them won't delete the containers?
[13:09] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: I'm not certain. However, snaps themselves are not supported through this channel. You will need to contact the maintainer of the snap directly for support.
[13:10] <FurretUber> It says the maintainer is Canonical, so I thought it would be right here. By the info, I should this at GitHub
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: This channel is operated by volunteers.
[13:12] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: and the focus is on the Ubuntu Desktop itself. My high level assumption of your current experience is that if you have loaded up containers already, that one of them is not registering the shutdown command. I would start looking at each containers configuration and verify they can be controlled.
[13:15] <blackflow> and now the $32k question.... why snap? lxd is regularly packaged on Ubuntu
[13:20] <FurretUber> Because the LXD deb is limited at 3.0 and will have no new releases as deb package, only snap. Mainly, the backup and restore of containers with deb required 7 commands while backup and restore with snap requires only 2
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: where is the source of that information coming from. That makes absolutely no sense
[13:22] <FurretUber> https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/lxd-3-1-has-been-released/1787
[13:24] <blackflow> well ain't that nice. time to say goodbye to lxd.
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> that's my thought on it... why would virtualize your hypervisor... that makes no sense
[13:25] <blackflow> containerize, not virtualize, tho'.
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: yeah I realized my mistake after I hit enter... d'oh
[13:27] <blackflow> the whole thing is become a joke. a meme unravelling as reality.   "Here, have a container to manage your containers"....
[13:27] <wendico> hello, i want to remote control my ubuntu 18 from my mobile android. i read manuals but when i try to connect vnc viewer i get error that the authentication mechanism is not supported. Help apreciated, thank you.
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: First, Ubuntu strives to work from stable branches of software. LXD is listing 3.0 as LTS which would reflect why Canonical is choosing the include that in their repositories. As well as, The developer has simply stated they're not distributing .deb... That doesn't mean Canonical won't choose to build the application themselves and continue to include it with their distribution.
[13:29] <blackflow> true that.
[13:30] <FurretUber> I'm worried by the description of LXD at 18.10. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?mode=exactfilename&suite=cosmic&section=all&arch=any&keywords=lxd&searchon=names
[13:30] <FurretUber> The deb won't last
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: 18.10 isin't released yet, and the documentation on it isn't complete
[13:32] <blackflow> I think the confusion arises from "Moving forward all feature releases of LXD will only be available through the snap.".   Still like pragmaticenigma said, doesn't mean 20.04 won't have an LTS package of its own.
[13:32] <blackflow> "feature release" != LTS
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: get's the award for sharp eyes!
[13:34]  * blackflow bows
[13:39] <wendico> Hello, vnc viewer cant connect to my ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS with error "Server did not offer supported security type". How can i remote control ubuntu 18. Thank you.
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> wendico: You haven't provided details... what are you using for a VNC server, what is the system state when you are attempting to connect. Is VNC being accessed through SSH (like it should be) or did you expose the port 5900 to the open internet (bad idea)
[13:43] <wendico> im using this guide https://websiteforstudents.com/access-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-desktop-via-vnc-from-windows-machines/ and tried androidVNC from f-droid and VNC Viewer from Play Store. Neither program can connect to my ubuntu shared desktop
[13:45] <wendico> i tried both sudo gsettings set org.gnome.Vino require-encryption true (and false) Both vnc viewers tells me server doesnt provide correct authentication mechanism
[13:45] <wendico> im just trying on my internal network yet
[13:46] <wendico> Help aprecciated. why i cant connect on my internal network with my vnc viewer from android to ubuntu 18.04? Thank you.ç
[13:48] <leftyfb> wendico: install x11vnc
[13:48] <leftyfb> wendico: then run: x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[13:51] <wendico> leftyfb: thank you, done and solved
[13:51] <wendico> Thank you very much.
[14:02] <pragmaticenigma> wendico: sorry, had to take a call. glad it's resolved. I would like to note that the website you linked to isn't the best resource. For future reference on VNC, take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[14:02] <ice9> what's the minimum number of nodes in kubernetes?
[14:03] <wendico> pragmaticenigma: thank you im taking a look. since the solution leftyfb gave me i dont like it, i have to manually run the server every time i want to connect with that command
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> ice9: You might want to find a channel that is specific to kubernetes. See !alis for help locating one
[14:04] <leftyfb> ice9: try #kubernetes
[14:04] <wendico> i dont understand why my ubuntu 18.04.1 cant work out of the box on port 5900 enabling screen sharing on options
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> wendico: In the link that I provided is the same command, but also help you set it up to start automatically
[14:05] <wendico> pragmaticenigma: thank you very much, opening and bookmarking
[14:05] <Niytro> Sorry there is no one in the Kali channel and Kali is debain based so I will ask here. I used dd to copy the latest Kali ISO to a 64G USB. Now fdisk and Gnome Disks recognizes the root partition as 3G in size but they offer no way to resize that partition. Gparted has the option but does not properly recognize the partitions for some reason. It shows the root partition as the only partition that takes up the whole drive... any way
[14:05] <Niytro> to resize it?
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> wendico: Vino is what is used be default in Ubuntu. In my experience, Vino hasn't been the most reliable or easy to work with
[14:06] <pragmaticenigma> Niytro: We don't provide support for Kali here... You have to be patient in the kali channel. Kali, Debian, and Ubuntu are all different distributions and they are NOT the same.
[14:07] <wendico> pragmaticenigma: Thank you very much for explanation.
[14:08] <Niytro> pragmaticenigma, =(
[14:08] <Niytro> pragmaticenigma, theres almost no people in the Kali channel
[14:09] <JimmyNeutron> My Ubuntu 18.04.1 is sending an email with title "***SECURITY information for <hostname>***" to "root@mycompany.com" every time I enter a wrong password.  How do I disable this?
[14:13] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: what is sending that?
[14:13] <JimmyNeutron> postfix based on me trailing the /var/log/mail file
[14:13] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: yeah but what's sending the mail. postfix is just the MTA
[14:13] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: there are probably headers in that mail with clues
[14:13] <JimmyNeutron> If I do something like this "sudo ls" and enter an incorrect password on purpose 3 times, it sends the alert
[14:14] <blackflow> you have to figure out what "it" is. is it a pam module?
[14:15] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: hmmm... I guess sudo can do that, check mail_badpass option?
[14:16] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: the mail_badpass option of the sudoers file
[14:17] <JimmyNeutron> blackflow: Here's the header from the email: https://pastebin.com/raw/Sk2m1bdg
[14:18] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: FWIW, the fundamental difference turned out to be what ubuntu vs debian is willing to install by default, it looks like the ubuntu installer is smarter or ubuntu less strict about non-free.  I'm inclined to say it's just that your installer is smarter ☺
[14:18] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: solaris?
[14:18] <JimmyNeutron> solaris is the name of my computer
[14:19] <foareel> nice choice
[14:19] <JimmyNeutron> the hostname=solaris
[14:19] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: firmware-amd-graphics  was the key thing. nothing to do with monitor detection or card.  TIL.
[14:19] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: ho-kay :)  well, did you check the mail_badpass option in the sudoers file?
[14:19] <nemo> will keep that in mind when supporting debian/devuan/other-spinoff Hedgewars users in future - I bet I'm not the only one to make this mistake ☺
[14:20] <JimmyNeutron> blackflow: Reading up on that now...its current has this line enable:  "Defaults mail_badpass"
[14:20] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: and that would be it (comment it out)
[14:20] <JimmyNeutron> blackflow: thanks!  going to read up on it to understand it better and then comment it out and test it again.
[14:21] <JimmyNeutron> blackflow: I'll let you know how it goes...Thanks!
[14:21] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: the sudoers manpage has some ideas
[14:21] <foareel> how can i find out what is binding to the "super/meta+5" shortcut, please?
[14:21] <foareel> not what, sorry. i mean where the config is to change that
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> nemo: sounds familiar, each distro has it's own quicks and features. The software is the same, but how it's implemented makes the difference
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> nemo: glad you were able to get it sorted out
[14:23] <foareel> right now it opens libreoffice and i want to use that for switching workplaces :)
[14:24] <blackflow> foareel: the meta+<number> is for quick launcher. it's launching libreofice because that's probably the 5th icon on it
[14:26] <foareel> blackflow: so i should accept it as it is?
[14:26] <JimmyNeutron> blackflow: That seems to work.  Going to reboot my system and make sure nothing weird happen after a reboot and it doesn't somehow automatically re-enable itself.  Thanks again!
[14:27] <blackflow> foareel: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Keybindings
[14:27] <blackflow> JimmyNeutron: yw
[14:27] <JimmyNeutron> brb....going down for a reboot
[14:29] <foareel> blackflow: danke vielmals
[14:29] <blackflow> bitte
[14:47] <nickbarnes> Upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04. My bridge interface xenbr0 doesn't come up at boot, despite "auto xenbr0" in /etc/network/interfaces. It comes up fine later if I add "ifup xenbr0" to /etc/rc.local, but this seems like a dirty hack. Why isn't it coming up in the normal way?
[14:48] <nickbarnes> and: is this the right place to ask questions like this?
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> nickbarnes: You've come to the right place, it may be that at the moment no one is available that may have an answer to your question. Please stay here and if you don't hear a response within an hour or so, feel free to repeat. Another option might be to check with #networking or #ubuntu-server
[14:52] <Ool> perhaps it's  Xen specific
[14:53] <blackflow> nickbarnes: maybe there's something in the logs about why it's failing at boot time. probably some dependency
[15:03] <nickbarnes> Well, I've poked through the logs a bit but can't see anything relevant. My theory is that it's because p2p1 (the physical network interface) isn't up by the time xenbr0 tries to come up, but I can't see anything reporting that in the logs.
[15:03] <nickbarnes> kern.log just has this:
[15:03] <nickbarnes> Oct  3 15:11:27 berunda kernel: [   16.755301] xen:xen_evtchn: Event-channel device installed
[15:03] <nickbarnes> Oct  3 15:11:27 berunda kernel: [   16.784912] r8169 0000:03:00.0 p2p1: link down
[15:03] <nickbarnes> Oct  3 15:11:27 berunda kernel: [   16.784932] r8169 0000:03:00.0 p2p1: link down
[15:03] <nickbarnes> Oct  3 15:11:27 berunda kernel: [   16.784982] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): p2p1: link is not ready
[15:03] <nickbarnes> Oct  3 15:11:29 berunda kernel: [   18.454536] r8169 0000:03:00.0 p2p1: link up
[15:03] <nickbarnes> Oct  3 15:11:29 berunda kernel: [   18.454558] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): p2p1: link becomes ready
[15:07] <nickbarnes> this page mentions a hack for it (putting "up ip link set p2p1 up" into /etc/network/interfaces between the auto p2p1 stanza and the auto xenbr0 stanza): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces
[15:10] <TJ-> nickbarnes: I'm wondering if this is due to systemd - is that being used as the init system after the upgrade, or is it still using upstart ?
[15:13] <nickbarnes> How can I tell?
[15:15] <TJ-> nickbarnes: "readlink -e /sbin/init"
[15:16] <TJ-> nickbarnes: alternatively: "ps  -p 1"
[15:16] <nickbarnes> systemd
[15:30] <qwefytuoityty> vb does not have the ability to boot the operating system from usb via BIOS emulation. Vb has the ability to install with UEFI, it will be possible to boot from a usb drive operating system with uefi? UEFI I not never used.
[15:32] <qwefytuoityty> virtual box
[15:34] <leftyfb> qwefytuoityty: I'm pretty sure Virtualbox has the ability to boot from usb via bios emulation. At least it did the last time I tried it. But you should really seek support with this from a channel dedicated to VB or emulation.
[15:40] <TJ-> nickbarnes: I'd suspect the ifupdown network config is running before systemd starts the service that is responsible for bringing up the underlying interfaces - that could be network-manager (desktop) or systemd-networkd (server). You might need to disable one/both of those to allow ifupdown to fully control the interfaces
[15:49] <qwefytuoityty> https://ibb.co/dTwajK bios. if start can not load with hdd. If install OS with uefi and start vb with uefi?
[15:52] <qwefytuoityty> emulation usb 3.0
[15:52] <leftyfb> qwefytuoityty: sorry, I have no idea what you just said/asked
[15:53] <leftyfb> qwefytuoityty: Nor can I read anything in that screenshot
[15:53] <leftyfb> qwefytuoityty: you might be better helped in #ubuntu-ru
[15:58] <TJ-> qwefytuoityty: according to this answer, it is possible, if you create a .vmdk that represents the USB device *and* connect it via an IDE controller to the VM. See https://askubuntu.com/questions/693719/how-to-boot-from-a-usb-drive-in-virtualbox
[16:02] <qwefytuoityty> not a problem I will partition a disk with uefi. I will install linux and I will see as in vb
[16:05] <lavinho> good afternoon
[16:05] <EriC^^> afternoon lavinho
[16:05] <lavinho> my touchpad not function
[16:06] <lavinho> Lenovo-ideapad-330S-15ARR
[16:06] <BootScout> hello
[16:06] <BootScout> I am trying to get some menu shortcuts working
[16:06] <lavinho> yes
[16:06] <lavinho> but not function
[16:07] <BootScout> they should launch a mono program but I get this error: the runtime version supported by this application is unavailable
[16:08] <BootScout> if I type the mono application.exe in terminal it works fine
[16:08] <BootScout> it is the menu shortcut the one failing
[16:08] <lavinho> ubuntu 18.04
[16:09] <BootScout> when I made the shorcut I just ticked the launch in terminal option
[16:10] <BootScout> but the terminal flashes open for less than a second and crashes
[16:10] <BootScout> I am under ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[16:11] <sonicwind> Guys, I'm installing 18.04 on UEFI for the 1st time. I've done it before with BIOS (14.04 & 16.04). I wasn't expecting to see the "Device for bootloader installation" ... do I use /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 (sda1 is the ESP partition) ?
[16:11] <sonicwind> I looked at 5 tutorials and incredibly none of them address this.
[16:12] <EriC^^> sonicwind: /dev/sda
[16:12] <sonicwind> thank you EriC^^
[16:12] <sonicwind> so it is the same as it was in BIOS
[16:12] <EriC^^> sonicwind: no problem
[16:12] <EriC^^> yeah the installer will figure stuff out and install to the esp
[16:13] <sonicwind> also.... it doesn't let me set the mount point for the esp partition, but I think that is the way it should be if I remember right.
[16:13] <EriC^^> yeah just should the type as efi for it
[16:13] <EriC^^> *choose
[16:13] <sonicwind> ok, thank you so much... back to work
[16:13] <sonicwind> such a simple thing should be mentioned in the tutorials
[16:13] <BootScout> what about the alacarte shortcut any suggestion?
[16:22] <bootscout_> https://pastebin.com/zVLuKq5z
[16:22] <bootscout_> this alacarte .desktop shortcut is not working
[16:23] <bootscout_> despite having ticked the "launch in terminal" option
[16:23] <bootscout_> the terminal flashes open and suddenly crashes
[16:23] <bootscout_> I managed to read what it says launching it several times :the runtime version supported by this application is unavailable
[16:24] <bootscout_> if I use that command from the path in terminal is working ok
[16:24] <hggdh> bootscout_: and what happens if you try to run it from the terminal? Exactly as it is in the desktop definition?
[16:24] <TJ-> bootscout_: try unticking the 'launch in terminal' option. I had a similar issue recently with laucnhing xfce4-terminal, and it was because it calls an underlying default-application handler, that concatenates the arguments twice when you have that ticked
[16:26] <bootscout_> hmm
[16:26] <TJ-> bootscout_: in my case, on Xubuntu, it was calling "exe-open --launch ..." with the options twice, which confused the program I was actually launching!
[16:26] <bootscout_> it seems it has something to do with the application itself
[16:26] <TJ-> grr, exo-open
[16:26] <bootscout_> it is not working as is in the alacarte..
[16:26] <bootscout_> it throws an error
[16:27] <TJ-> bootscout_: if you created the application shortcut yourself, maybe you set the Exec= in the .desktop file incorrectly
[16:30] <bootscout_> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=a146bea1b9719dc8dfcd761697ed6fb0
[16:31] <bootscout_> that is what I get with the mono full path to exe file command in terminal
[16:32] <bootscout_> any suggetions?
[16:32] <bootscout_> if I first go to that location and execute the mono exe command next works fine
[16:33] <bootscout_> but it is not working from the default location...
[16:33] <bootscout_> might it be because the application is in another unit?
[16:33] <bootscout_> I already mounted it before trying though
[16:35] <bootscout_> it looks like it is not finding a file located in my home folder....
[16:35] <TJ-> bootscout_: "the runtime version supported by this application is unavailable" suggests there may be different versions of mono installed. what does "which -a mono" report ?
[16:35] <bootscout_> when launching the command with the full path
[16:36] <bootscout_> nickbarnes give me a sec I will gladly check it out
[16:36] <TJ-> bootscout_: possibly need to set the Working Directory to where-ever the file lives
[16:37] <bootscout_> nickbarnes /usr/bin/mono
[16:37] <TJ-> bootscout_: in which case, in the .desktop file a "Path=/path/to/working/directory" is required
[16:38] <bootscout_> TJ- nickbarnes but the application is in another unit
[16:38] <bootscout_> how do I set both locations in a desktop shortcut path¿
[16:39] <TJ-> bootscout_: that sounds like a mono-specific issue
[16:39] <bootscout_> I understand that mono is in my home somehow...
[16:39] <bootscout_> but the app...
[16:39] <bootscout_> is in another unit...
[16:39] <bootscout_> oh
[16:39] <bootscout_> symlink?
[16:40] <bootscout_> might a symbolic link work here?
[16:40] <bootscout_> or just moving the app to my home directory..
[16:40] <MannyLNJ1> How can I add exfat support to live cd's?
[16:41] <bootscout_> thanks for your help TJ- and nickbarnes
[16:43] <grepwood> hi everyone, I have a strange issue
[16:44] <blackflow> grepwood: we're all ears.
[16:45] <grepwood> This is in a VM. I installed ubuntu 16.04 for x86 (on amd64 hardware), BIOS. I then transferred the OS to a pre-partitioned GPT drive, did a chroot from live amd64 Ubuntu 18.04 to make the transfused x86 Ubuntu 18.04 able to boot from UEFI. This worked! However, when I try to give the VM a real graphic card (GeForce 710 GT via PCI passthrough), all I get on the card's display output is a purple screen.
[16:45] <grepwood> I made sure the kernel boots without the 'splash' and 'quiet' parameters from UEFI Grub, but that doesn't help it at all.
[16:46] <grepwood> Why would this happen? Is it the nouveau driver not handling the card?
[16:46] <blackflow> grepwood: the obvious question, that's another GPU in the machine, yes? not the one used by the host?
[16:46] <grepwood> blackflow, of course. This GPU works fine with a Windows VM.
[16:47] <grepwood> The main GPU is a Radeon 460 RX and it's not included in modprobe omissions.
[16:47] <blackflow> grepwood: welp, best look into VM's logs, both journal and xorg's, see what might be wrong
[16:48] <grepwood> Thank you blackflow. I think I'll also get one more thing here. When I was making this work with Windows, I needed to add some special parameters to the VM's libvirt config.
[16:48] <grepwood> I did not do the same for the Ubuntu VM.
[16:49] <TJ-> grepwood: the purple screen... do you see the GRUB boot menu before that if you tap Esc ? It could be the GRUB background, or it could be something related to plymouth/splash
[16:49] <grepwood> TJ-, I have definitely seen the GRUB background and menu and they were working fine.
[16:50] <TJ-> grepwood: so the issue begins once GRUB hands over to Linux kernel? did you rebuild the initrd after adding the new GPU?
[16:50] <grepwood> TJ-, I think I have not. initrd was built while the VM was still successfully booting from UEFI on a QXL GPU
[16:51] <blackflow> just one thing... VM and UEFI... why? iirc that requires special consideration for qemu
[16:51] <TJ-> grepwood: right... does the VM have openssh-server installed? if so, can you ssh into it, check logs, and use "update-initramfs -u" ?
[16:52] <TJ-> blackflow: QEMU supports UEFI fine, especially if used via libvirt
[16:53] <grepwood> blackflow, my QEMU is fine. I read from Archwiki, Installgentoo wiki or Gentoo wiki that in order for PCI passthrough to work, your GPU needs to have a VBIOS that supports UEFI. GeForce 7xx and higher are the baseline requirement.
[16:53] <blackflow> TJ-: with ovmf? it's part of regular qemu package?
[16:53] <grepwood> blackflow, it's not. I had to emerge it myself
[16:53] <TJ-> grepwood: "emerge" ? that doesn't sound like an Ubuntu term :p
[16:54] <blackflow> grepwood: yes on gentoo, but what about 'buntu. is it part of the package, that's what I was asking.
[16:54] <grepwood> TJ-, yes, it does have SSH. No, I can't ssh into the VM once it's hanged on the purple screen.
[16:54] <grepwood> TJ-, blackflow, I'm not sure if OVMF is part of the deal on Ubuntu. I know it isn't on the host's OS, which is in fact Gentoo.
[16:54] <blackflow> grepwood: it should be possible to use serial and see the VM's kernel console
[16:54] <grepwood> I need a Ubuntu VM because... you guys won't believe it.
[16:55] <blackflow> try us :)
[16:57] <grepwood> There are bugs in libxcb, ALSA and PulseAudio. When you use the 32bit versions of these libraries, and they are optimized more than "-O1" (on my system they are "-O2 -march=znver1", for Ryzen), then some games (Civilization 5 and Civ Beyond Earth in particular) will not account for those optimizations, allocate stacks with alignment that does not play along with the optimization levels of these libraries, and segfault the game as soon as you
[16:57] <grepwood> just run their binaries.
[16:57] <grepwood> I have gone for months filing tickets to Aspyr but they won't listen unless the bugs manifest on Ubuntu. They don't care about Gentoo.
[16:58] <blackflow> did you try with no march? iirc znver is rather.... recent, so could be buggy
[16:58] <nacc> uh, I doubt any ubuntu library is built with -march=znver1?
[16:58] <grepwood> If I disable the CFLAGS, it will affect both 32 and 64bit versions.
[16:58] <blackflow> but eh.... this ain't #gentoo, so I should stop :)   I love that distro so much, can't help myself get carried away.
[16:58] <grepwood> You can't do it just for one set.
[16:58] <nacc> grepwood: so, this is a problem totally of your own making? :)
[16:59] <grepwood> nacc, YES xD
[16:59] <nacc> grepwood: right, stop doing that. :)
[16:59] <blackflow> grepwood: yes you can btw (do CFLAGS override just for some ports)
[16:59] <grepwood> nacc, no, Gentoo is a cool distro for workstations
[16:59] <grepwood> I find Ubuntu better for production servers on the other hand
[17:00] <nacc> grepwood: ok, then go to #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to talk about this any more.
[17:00] <grepwood> nacc, what if I stick to the Ubuntu side of my problem, like the VM in question?
[17:01] <blackflow> first of all, why are you booting with UEFI. it's a VM, what's the advantage over possible complications?
[17:02] <grepwood> blackflow, because PCI passthrough requires a GPU with a VBIOS that supports UEFI. I tried to do this on systems without UEFI but with a GPU that does support UEFI, and it didn't work
[17:02] <blackflow> second, if ssh is inaccessible when it hangs, then it hung before spawning the service or network. you should be able to output VM's kernel console via serial to the host side and monitor that
[17:02] <TJ-> grepwood: returning to the fail-to-boot issue, you'll need to configure the VM, and the OS kernel command-line within it, to use a serial (or net) console to capture the boot log, if any
[17:02] <grepwood> blackflow, how do I configure the serial?
[17:03] <grepwood> is there a kernel parameter for that?
[17:03] <blackflow> grepwood: ask googs, I don't know OTOH what the exact kernel command line params are
[17:04] <TJ-> grepwood: on the kernel command-line, edit it (from GRUB) to add "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8" which will put a read/write console on serial port 0
[17:04] <blackflow> it also requires changes on the qemu side iirc
[17:05] <grepwood> yep, I had the console, just didn't know why it wouldn't react
[17:05] <blackflow> oh look, -serial :)  https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Bugs#Getting_a_serial_console_from_the_guest
[17:05] <TJ-> grepwood: then use your VM manager/interface to connect to the console port. That's possibly going to require virsh, or virt-manager, or direct with qemu-system-x86*
[17:05] <grepwood> okie dokie, I'm booting the VM without a GPU and gonna edit grub
[17:06] <blackflow> wait, thought I said you see the grub menu when pci passthru is on?
[17:06] <grepwood> yes
[17:06] <blackflow> so why change that. you need this in the pci passthru mode to capture the error
[17:06] <dcypher> Anyone here good at setting up a Reverse SSH tunnel? Need some help.
[17:07] <grepwood> dcypher, I'm good with that. What's your problem?
[17:07] <dcypher> Cool... thanks... let me try to explain...
[17:07] <grepwood> blackflow, because I have 2 profiles for the same VM - same hardware, same HDD, same NIC, same MAC
[17:07] <grepwood> thanks to this I can quickly boot the VM with or without the GeForce
[17:08] <grepwood> dcypher, take your time
[17:10] <dcypher> I'm setting up 'testing' the tunnel on my local mackbook pro to a ubuntu vm on google cloud using the following: ssh -4 -v -p 22 -fN -o "PubkeyAuthentication=yes" -o "StrictHostKeyChecking=false" -o "PasswordAuthentication=yes" -o "ServerAliveInterval 60" -o "ServerAliveCountMax 3" -R 35.236.XXX.XXX:40062:localhost:22 reverse  (reverse is correctly setup in my config. Now the tunnel appears to open correctly as I see in the logs and
[17:10] <dcypher>  doing a netstat
[17:11] <dcypher> The problem is this...
[17:11] <blackflow> grepwood: using qemu-system-x86_64 directly?
[17:13] <dcypher> When I ssh into 'reverse' (the ubuntu vm on gc) that I want to use as a reverse middleman, I test out the tunnel using: ssh localhost -p 40062
[17:14] <dcypher> I keep getting asked for a password. I don't know what password ssh is looking for, I tried setting up keys so no password is requested but that didn't work
[17:14] <dcypher> and
[17:15] <dcypher> I tried all the passwords on the accounts....
[17:16] <dcypher> I'm sure I'm missing a config setting in sshd somewhere or something
[17:16] <blackflow> dcypher: can you connect regularly, without -R  ?
[17:16] <grepwood> blackflow, TJ-, we're getting a kernel panic somewhere before starting up /sbin/init
[17:16] <dcypher> let me try
[17:16] <blackflow> grepwood: I'm betting because uefi .)
[17:17] <grepwood> dcypher, I would run the ssh with -vvvv, that way you can see all the logic in the authentication procedure
[17:17] <blackflow> grepwood: also, didn't know pci passthru required efi. are you sure? or did I misunderstand you?
[17:17] <TJ-> grepwood: does the stack trace show clues?
[17:17] <grepwood> blackflow, you did not misunderstand me, or I did something wrong and I am completely clueless about PCI passthrough
[17:18] <TJ-> grepwood: is it correct that the VM guest GRUB menu appears correctly on the passthrough-gpu display?
[17:18] <blackflow> grepwood: it requires iommu, but I don't think it needs efi
[17:18] <grepwood> because it definitely, definitely requires a GPU which VBIOS supports UEFI (GeForce 7xx and higher)
[17:18] <grepwood> I tried with a GeForce 9600 GT a year ago and that didn't go
[17:18] <dcypher> grepwood: let me try... thanks
[17:18] <grepwood> and I tried on a QEMU host without UEFI, but with supported hardware, and that didn't work
[17:19] <blackflow> grepwood: there was a problem with nvidia driver blocking use under VM/pci passthru, but that should be fixable. lemme unearth this
[17:19] <blackflow> (as in the driver deliberatly refuses to work)
[17:20] <blackflow> ah yes, this:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#.22Error_43:_Driver_failed_to_load.22_on_Nvidia_GPUs_passed_to_Windows_VMs
[17:20] <TJ-> grepwood: is the VM guest using the proprietary nvidia driver?
[17:20] <kinghat> so i installed brave browser and then brave browser beta. i can only see that brave beta is install from muon but i can still open both browsers(they visually look different).
[17:20] <grepwood> blackflow, I'm on nouveau
[17:20] <grepwood> TJ- ^
[17:20] <blackflow> need to spoof hypervisor vendor ID.  the sons of ..... guns.... in nvidia did this on purpose.
[17:21] <kinghat> also both browsers show up in my applications list. i want to remove brave but keep brave beta.
[17:21] <grepwood> got it
[17:21] <TJ-> grepwood: right. did you see my question about GRUB being visible on the passthrough-GPU's display?
[17:21] <grepwood> nouveau drm init failed
[17:21] <grepwood> TJ-, yes, and I said earlier that I do see the GRUB menu on the real GPU
[17:22] <TJ-> grepwood: right, so that tells us the UEFI integration is working fine since GRUB will be using the UEFI GOP
[17:22] <TJ-> grepwood: I'm trying to reduce the problem space
[17:22] <grepwood> let me see the dmesg log, I scp'd it back, strange, the system works and SSH works now with the KVM fix we talked about earlier (nvidia refuses to work on kvm)
[17:23] <blackflow> grepwood: spoofed vendor id?
[17:23] <kinghat> actually it looks like brave is a snap
[17:24] <grepwood> https://pastebin.com/raw/B3dy2uXz
[17:24] <grepwood> blackflow, yeah
[17:25] <TJ-> grepwood: is the host definitely using iommu? the GPU shows up in the sysfs iommu_group list?
[17:25] <grepwood> TJ-, yes and yes
[17:26] <grepwood> I thought of doing something extreme that we used to do in PowerPC - boot a 64 bit kernel for 32 bit userland
[17:26] <TJ-> grepwood: did you manage to capture the entire kernel log from 0.00000 ? that would be helpful to see
[17:26] <grepwood> TJ-, of course
[17:27] <grepwood> https://pastebin.com/raw/bwnfZCws
[17:28] <TJ-> grepwood: is the guest 32-bit ?
[17:32] <TJ-> grepwood: weird addresses (low, unless this is relative to the IOMEM window of the/a device) "ioremap on RAM at 0x0000000000080000 - 0x0000000000080fff"
[17:34] <grepwood> TJ-, the guest machine is 64 bit, booting GRUB and then a 32bit kernel
[17:36] <dviola> hi
[17:37] <TJ-> grepwood: OK, that explains "efi: No EFI runtime due to 32/64-bit mismatch with kernel"
[17:37] <ntd> anyone know of a cheap tablet that can run ubuntu?
[17:37] <dviola> I have a Ubuntu 18.04 install on a Ryzen 5 2400g system, however, I keep experiencing crashes from time to time, I suspect there's something wrong with the ubuntu stock kernel because I run Arch alongside it and it works fine on Arch
[17:37] <dviola> is there a easy way to upgrade the kernel on 18.04?
[17:37] <dviola> or should I try 18.10 when it comes out...
[17:38] <TJ-> grepwood: I'd be tempted to run the guest with a 64-bit kernel, even with the 32-bit userland, to prove that isn't an issue
[17:40] <dviola> any ideas please?
[17:40] <grepwood> TJ-, installing linux-image-4.15.0-36-generic:amd64
[17:41] <TJ-> dviola: do the crashes leave reports in the kernel log?
[17:41] <dviola> no
[17:41] <dviola> but I've seen there are some amdgpu errors
[17:41] <dviola> from time to time
[17:41] <dviola> I think they could be related
[17:42] <TJ-> dviola: right; you need to identify errors in the kernel log as the first step to getting a clue
[17:43] <dviola> yes, that's why I want to try upgrading the kernel first
[17:43] <dviola> to see if those amdgpu errors are gone and the crashes
[17:43] <dviola> how can I do that?
[17:44] <TJ-> dviola: well, show us the errors there are so we can help narrow it down
[17:44] <dviola> ok
[17:45] <dviola> give me some time
[17:48] <grepwood> TJ-, the EFI was due to kernel arch mismatch
[17:49] <TJ-> grepwood: right, but did that help with the nouveau panic?
[17:49] <blackandblue> ubuntu
[17:49] <blackandblue> lol
[17:49] <blackandblue> use mint
[17:49] <blackandblue> hi TJ-
[17:49] <dviola> TJ-: the error is: [drm:generic_reg_wait [amdgpu]] *ERROR* REG_WAIT timeout 1us * 100 tries - tgn10_lock line:566
[17:49] <grepwood> TJ-, nothing about nouveau
[17:49] <dviola> TJ-: and there's a kernel trace after this
[17:49] <grepwood> the screen is still purple
[17:50] <TJ-> grepwood: no kernel log available this time? is it accessible over ssh?
[17:50] <grepwood> TJ-, accessible over ssh, no mention of nouveau in dmesg
[17:50] <ChiLLabiS> Anyone knows if this still works? http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/facebook-messenger-cli-chat-via-linux-terminal
[17:51] <TJ-> dviola: I'm reading that the kernel command-line option "idle=nomwait" could help you
[17:51] <TJ-> grepwood: well that's good!!
[17:52] <grepwood> https://pastebin.com/raw/1md2hGXR
[17:52] <TJ-> grepwood: so, you've got 2 video outputs, the virtual one via QEMU and the passthrough?
[17:52] <grepwood> TJ-, 1 video output, through GPU, 1 console output, through QEMU
[17:52] <TJ-> grepwood: weird; is that the passthrough VM? there's no nouveau loading at all
[17:53] <grepwood> let's try lsmod
[17:53] <dviola> TJ-: what will this parameter do?
[17:53] <johnnyfive> What is the deb/ubuntu analogous solution to, say Fedora Koji? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji Anyone know how Ubuntu does it?
[17:54] <TJ-> dviola: apprently solve your issue :)
[17:54] <kinghat> is there a gui for snap package management?
[17:54] <dviola> TJ-: ok thanks!
[17:55] <TJ-> grepwood: "lspci -nn -d ::0300"
[17:55] <dviola> TJ-: just booted with this parameter
[17:55] <grepwood> TJ-, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK208 [GeForce GT 710B] [10de:128b] (rev a1)
[17:55] <dviola> TJ-: will see how it goes, ty
[17:55] <TJ-> dviola: I found that in a RedHat bug report, at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1562530
[17:55] <dviola> TJ-: ok
[17:55] <TJ-> dviola: comment 33
[17:56] <dviola> TJ-: thanks
[17:57] <TJ-> grepwood: there's another Nvidia PCI device there, 0000:00:09.0 - what is it?
[18:00] <TJ-> grepwood: oh, that's audio passthrough I guess?
[18:00] <grepwood> yes, it is TJ-
[18:01] <grepwood> I have a daring suspicion
[18:01] <TJ-> grepwood: so currently the VM has only a single GPU (no virtual GPU) ? - I don't see any other class 0300/0340 PCI device (video devices)
[18:02] <TJ-> grepwood: is the OS a desktop or server install? is systemd configured to run the graphical.target ?
[18:03] <grepwood> TJ-, it's a desktop
[18:03] <grepwood> when I run without nvidia and with QXL, it starts xorg fine
[18:04] <TJ-> grepwood: check "systemctl status graphical.target"
[18:04] <grepwood> TJ-, we have bigger problems now with the 64 bit kernel
[18:04] <grepwood> not even nvidiafb will modprobe
[18:04] <grepwood> it gives a segfault
[18:05] <TJ-> grepwood: when you installed that kernel image package, did it bring in the nouveau.ko driver, from the "linux-modules-4.15.0-34-{generic,lowlatency)" package(s) ?
[18:06] <TJ-> grepwood: "modinfo nouveau"
[18:07] <oich> I am trying to install ubuntu on windows linux subsystem and mcaffee antivirus thpblocks internet access. I can't pause it. I would like to download a local repository. But, examples I see require you to install dpkg-dev, which of course, is one of the packages I can't install because there is no internet access. How can I just duplicate a repository and make it a local repository?
[18:07] <grepwood> TJ-, nouveau not found
[18:08] <TJ-> grepwood: aha! you need to ensure the packages are installed. did you do "sudo apt install linux-image-generic:amd64"
[18:09] <TJ-> grepwood: which also assumes you've enabled the amd64 foreign architecture using "sudo dpkg --add-architecture amd64 && sudo apt update"
[18:09] <grepwood> TJ-, I have enabled it
[18:11] <grepwood> TJ-, I reinstalled the modules package and still no go
[18:12] <leftyfb> oich: you don't. Disable/remove that garbage software so your computer isn't held hostage by a piece of software. Go to #ubuntu-on-windows for further support with WSL. Go to #windows for help with Windows problems (your actual problem)
[18:12] <TJ-> grepwood: weird you don't see nouveau.ko driver; that should be pulled in by linux-image-$FLAVOUR via depends from linux-image-$VERSION-$FLAVOUR to linux-modules-$VERSION-$FLAVOUR
[18:13] <blackhaze> hello
[18:13] <grepwood> `apt-file list linux-modules-4.15.0-36-generic:amd64` returns an empty list
[18:13] <grepwood> :|
[18:17] <TJ-> grepwood: it's " -a amd64 " not ":amd64" for apt-file
[18:18] <grepwood> aaaaargh
[18:18] <TJ-> grepwood: I think, as the i386 and amd64 paths for kernel modules are identical that the amd64 packages should replace the i386 package
[18:18] <grepwood> TJ-, E: Command line option 'a' [from -a] is not understood in combination with the other options.
[18:19] <TJ-> grepwood: here, on amd64, to see i386, I do "apt-file list linux-modules-4.15.0-36-generic -a i386"
[18:20] <grepwood> this is for apt-file though
[18:20] <grepwood> I wanted to go straight forward to apt-get :D
[18:20] <dviola> TJ-: it still crashes even with the idle=nomwait workaround
[18:20] <TJ-> grepwood: right, for that you'd use the ":amd64" suffix to the package name
[18:20] <TJ-> dviola: that's a pain!
[18:20] <grepwood> TJ-, then that's what I did
[18:21] <grepwood> argh
[18:21] <grepwood> `apt-file list linux-modules-4.15.0-36-generic -a amd64 | grep nouveau` returns nothing
[18:21] <dviola> TJ-: should I try 18.10?
[18:22] <TJ-> dviola: you could try the kernel from 18.10
[18:23] <dviola> how can I install it?
[18:24] <TJ-> grepwood: works fine here. did you do "sudo apt-file update" ?
[18:24] <dviola> I think it might be a problem with sleep, because when the display goes blank it doesn't come back anymore
[18:24] <TJ-> dviola: trying to think of the easiest way.
[18:25] <jje> dviola: why not try the mainline kernel. it is on 4.19
[18:25] <TJ-> grepwood: how about "apt-file -a amd64 search nouveau.ko" ?
[18:25] <TJ-> jje: the mainline builds are missing some Ubuntu sauce additions, such as apparmor bits
[18:26] <jje> ah i see sorry
[18:26] <grepwood> it's modules-extra, TJ-
[18:27] <TJ-> dviola: to avoid messing up your current host, I think I'd create an LXD container with 18.10 in, and pull the kernel packages into it, then install them on the host manually using "dpkg -i ..."
[18:27] <TJ-> grepwood: ah, for generic! I use lowlatency for desktop, where it isn't -extra !
[18:27] <grepwood> doh
[18:27] <TJ-> grepwood: sorry about that! didn't notice the difference
[18:28] <TJ-> grepwood: I used "dpkg -S nouveau.ko" to find the package name :)
[18:28] <grepwood> rebooting
[18:29] <dviola> TJ-: thanks
[18:29] <grepwood> TJ-, it's working now
[18:29] <grepwood> +1
[18:31] <grepwood> christ, this is some ghetto powerpc solution right there
[18:31] <kinghat> does snap management have a gui?
[18:34] <gpunk> the "software" application
[18:34] <TJ-> grepwood: so the original problem was the 32-bit kernel on 64-bit UEFI?
[18:34] <grepwood> TJ-, yes
[18:34] <kinghat> like other than using the GUI to manage installed snap apps?
[18:35] <TJ-> grepwood: so we actually solved an hour ago :D Great
[18:35] <kinghat> CLI*
[18:36] <grepwood> now... how do I find the Xorg auth file to x11vnc into that host? :D
[18:36] <grepwood> it doesn't seem to be in /run/gdm3, nor is it in /var/lib/lightdm
[19:11] <OtterCoder> Hello! I'm on 18.04.1, and I can't find English(Macintosh) or the like under Region and Language. Where might I need to install it from?
[19:13] <jatt> what is English(Macintosh) 😸?
[19:13] <OtterCoder> Oddly enough, I can find Arabic(Macintosh) all the way through Spanish(Macintosh) and everything in between, but not for English.
[19:13] <OtterCoder> jatt: An input source mapping.
[19:14] <OtterCoder> The English(Macintosh) source mapping lets me use modifier keys, and I used to have it installed by default before I upgraded to Ubuntu 18.
[19:14] <OtterCoder> Now it's missing.
[19:15] <OtterCoder> I really don't want to resort to xbindkeys and the like, because last time I tried that, I nearly bricked my computer.
[19:17] <texla> linux-image-4.15.0-33-generic linux-modules-4.15.0-33-generic
[19:17] <texla> ..How to auto remove the synaptic entry normal way shows errors
[19:19] <ioria> OtterCoder, i don't have that kb, but you can try with  sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration   , select MacBook (or similar) and then  English (UK)
[19:22] <OtterCoder> ioria: Oh shoot. It was nested. You pointed me in the right direction. For some reason the search on the input sources menu doesn't find nested sources...
[19:22] <ioria> OtterCoder, ok
[19:22] <OtterCoder> Well, thanks!
[19:22] <ioria> no prob
[19:24] <blkdrake> Hi, Can someone tell me how to disable Lubuntu and switch back to Ubuntu
[19:24] <ioria> disable lubuntu
[19:24] <blkdrake> I installed Lubuntu but its very slow.
[19:24] <blkdrake> ioria, how?
[19:24] <ioria> lubuntu is sòlow ? really ?
[19:25] <ioria> *slow
[19:25] <blkdrake> ioria, yes, Its seems to be taking more boot time than ubuntu
[19:25] <pikia> I have a bash alias that is starting a VM, but the thing is, it will hold a terminal "hostage"
[19:25] <ioria> blkdrake, bad/wrong install, try again (maybe checking your media)
[19:25] <pikia> Whcih option should I append to the alais so that it starts the VM but leaves the terminal open for me to continue using
[19:27] <blkdrake> ioria, media seems to be alright
[19:27] <ioria> blkdrake, lubuntu cannot be slower than ubuntu
[19:28] <rfm> pikia, you want to end the start-vm command with an & to put it in the background.  I usually put the whole thing in a subshell and nohup it too, example is (nohup <startvmcommand> &)
[19:28] <pikia> Nvm, looks like appending &>/dev/null& works also
[19:28] <pikia> ty rfm
[19:29] <rfm> pikia, if it's a VirtualBox VM, then "startvm vmname -type headless" will release the terminal after starting, unlike VBoxHeadless...
[19:29] <pikia> Oh.. hahaha yeah. I guess that will be the most clear sp;ution
[19:31] <texla>  linux-image-4.15.0-33-generic linux-modules-4.15.0-33-generic
 ..How to auto remove the synaptic entry normal way shows errors
[19:34] <Sbur3> Loooking for help to connect n MTP mp3 player to my Ubuntu system.  Anyone wanna help?
[19:40] <frad> is there any way for me to use signal without a smartphone?
[19:40] <frad> from my desktop, preferably
[19:42] <OtterCoder> Ok, so, I have the correct keyboard layout, and pulling up the keymap shows right-alt mapped to the compose key, but it's not actually composing...
[19:43] <OtterCoder> The option to set the compose key used to be under System Settings > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Typing, but now it's a missing option.
[19:45] <texla> Is there a fix for the errors on upgrade..to Linux image-4.15.0-33 generic
[19:50] <hggdh> texla: give us the errors on a pastebin
[19:54] <nacc> fwiw, i think 4.15 is up to -36 now
[19:55] <Kyros> 36 causes some kind of bandwidth limit for me
[19:56] <texla> hggdh, After the original it upgraded to a partial and showed kernel unstable then synaptic showed autoremove but would not remove
[19:58] <Kyros> I can't download anything over 1.5MB/sec with 36. Has anyone else noticed this?
[19:59] <nacc> Kyros: you've tested by going back to -35?
[19:59] <hggdh> texla: I am sorry, but I do not understand what happened
[19:59] <Kyros> nacc yes back to 34
[20:01] <nacc> Kyros: hrm, i'd see if there is already a bug about this against linux?
[20:02] <texla> hggdh, How do I remove 4.15.0.33 which is the kernel with errors..autoremove will not work..is there another way to remove
[20:02] <hggdh> texla: as I stated earlier, we NEED to know what happened -- the exact errors you see, *not* your interpretation of them
[20:03] <janisozaur> hey, why is there no libpulse0-dbg package anymore?
[20:03] <janisozaur> or: where do I get symbols for pulseaudio?
[20:03] <TJ-> janisozaur: it's libpulse0-dbgsym and it's in the ddeb archives, not the main archives
[20:04] <janisozaur> how do i install it then?
[20:05] <hggdh> janisozaur: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Non-built-in_debug_symbol_packages_.28.2A-dbgsym.29
[20:05] <TJ-> janisozaur: see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7fJ4mzZRc3/
[20:05] <nacc> janisozaur: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages also has details
[20:05] <hggdh> heh
[20:06] <janisozaur> great, that should do, thanks
[20:08] <texla> hggdh, https://pastebin.com/ZDphgvcA
[20:09] <hggdh> texla:
[20:09] <hggdh> /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 34: /etc/default/grub: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution
[20:10] <hggdh> texla: so something in your grub config is wrong (which heavilly suggests somebody edited it manually)
[20:10] <hggdh> texla: you have to fix it first
[20:16] <grepwood> oh lord
[20:16] <TJ-> grepwood: you called? :)
[20:20] <texla> hggdh, https://pastebin.com/JHHaUZYQ...would you look at this and suggest
[20:21] <HenryCH> why am I not able to write files to subfolders of /home/myusername?
[20:21] <eelstrebor> i guess i have the latest hplip for ubuntu 18.04.1 since there isn't a ppa for bionic - yet i can't do 2-sided printing - still looking for a solution
[20:21] <grepwood> oh lord our TJ- , unity doesn't launch, I'm off to see the logs
[20:21] <HenryCH> i created a folder there, but any process that wants to write files in there I have to run with sudo, how come?
[20:22] <hggdh> texla: why are you giving us this script? The error was reported on /etc/default/grub
[20:23] <TJ-> grepwood: I'm biased; I consider that a blessing if it doesn't work :)
[20:24] <TJ-> grepwood: is the Xorg accelerated '3D' driver loaded to support compositing?
[20:24] <texla> hggdh, https://pastebin.com/c2L1fCkJ..default changed to 4 days before upgade caused problems
[20:24] <nacc> HenryCH: show us example in a pastebin, including permissions/ownerships
[20:25] <hggdh> texla: GRUB_DEFAULT="4
[20:25] <hggdh> texla: this string is unterminated...
[20:25] <HenryCH> one sec let me find out how to pull up permissions, heh.. I've not changed anything though, I just installed ubuntu and was trying it out
[20:26] <hggdh> texla: the fact that i was changed some days ago has no real impact, since it is *only* used when update-grub is run
[20:26] <TJ-> HenryCH: sounds like you created the directory using "sudo mkdir ..." - or as another user. Check the ownership with "find $HOME -not -user $USER"
[20:27] <TJ-> HenryCH: if you add " -ls" to the end of that command it'll list the ownership of all entries not owned by your user
[20:27] <texla> hggdh, changed to position 4 so UBUNTU 18.04 would boot first without changing menu entry manually
[20:27] <nacc> texla: hggdh isn't commenting on your intent. You made a syntax error.
[20:28] <HenryCH> so my user doesn't inherit permissions on any subfolders?
[20:28] <nacc> HenryCH: not if you created it with sudo.
[20:28] <nacc> HenryCH: we don't know what you did, still
[20:29] <texla> nacc why did this show up after the kernel problem
[20:29] <nacc> texla: becuase it was the first time you ran update-grub ?
[20:29] <nacc> texla: since editing the file, i mean
[20:29] <HenryCH> thanks nacc, TJ-
[20:29] <hggdh> texla: it is the other way around. dpkg failed *BECAUSE* of the syntax error on /etc/default/grub
[20:30] <hggdh> texla: not all updates to Ubuntu cause initram to be changed (and thus causes grub to be updated)
[20:30] <texla> nacc, Nope I ran sudo update-grub after making the change to /etc/default/grub
[20:30] <nacc> texla: i don't believe you :)
[20:31] <hggdh> texla: please correct the line I showed. Please, just do it
[20:31] <TJ-> nacc: texla didn't say it ran to completion without error :)
[20:31] <texla> nacc, You never believe anything I try to convey to you this is not the first time
[20:31] <nacc> TJ-: that's true, good point
[20:31] <hggdh> I give up
[20:31] <nacc> texla: that's nice. Did it succeed when you ran `update-grub`?
[20:34] <texla> hggdh, Do you want me to change default back to 0
[20:34] <hggdh> texla: no, I want the string to be correctly terminated. What happens if you run kernel number four is not our problem
[20:35] <hggdh> texla: so that it is clear: you are missing a close " (double-ticks) at the end of the line
[20:36] <texla> hggdh, I do not know where you want me to change and to what must of miss your suffestion
[20:36] <hggdh> texla: GRUB_DEFAULT="4
[20:37] <hggdh> texla: do you see there is a double-tick, followed by '4'?
[20:37] <hggdh> texla: you *have* to add another double-tick after '4', so it reads: GRUB_DEFAULT="4"
[20:41] <texla> hggdh, https://pastebin.com/HJJSd8zG...add double quote as suggested
[20:43] <texla> hggdh, Still showing not all updates can be downloaded
[20:44] <TJ-> texla: "sudo apt update && sudo apt-get --fix-broken install && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt autoremove"
[20:47] <texla> TJ-, Checked and now depencies are being corrected and autoremove no longer showing in synaptic will now check updates
[20:49] <texla> hggdh, all systems in updates and synaptic now working properly have to reboot to finish install of updates
[20:54] <texla> hggdh, TJ- nacc Adding the double quote to default grub has cleared all systems...Thanks for the help it was truly appreciated!!!!
[21:01] <JPSman> Hi!  I love the new cuttlefish wallpaper, but I don't want to upgrade to 18.10.  Where can I get the largest copy of the purple/orange cuttlefish wallpaper?
[21:09] <Greyztar> any tip on saving iptables rules that persists through boot?
[21:09] <nacc> JPSman: presumably in the source? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/18.10.2-0ubuntu1 and you want #ubuntu+1
[21:09] <nacc> JPSman: even if not directly support, i think :)
[21:10] <nacc> !info iptables-persistent | Greyztar
[21:10] <Greyztar> im on Bionic
[21:10] <Greyztar> nacc: having some difficulties making it persist through boot though
[21:11] <nacc> Greyztar: using that package?
[21:11] <Greyztar> nacc: ill double check version
[21:11] <nacc> Greyztar: note the above is not 'iptables' but 'iptables-persistent'
[21:12] <laertus> does anyone know the name of the command that will tell you the full path of a file?
[21:15] <Greyztar> nacc: thanks for the heads up,also seems ive been installing another package netfilter-persistent aswell ugh ill do a cleanup and report bk thanks for answer (,")
[21:16] <laertus> found it... it's "readlink -f"
[21:19] <nacc> Greyztar: yw
[21:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> aws ubuntu 16.04.5, it seems my oomkiller isn't working as expected. i have a python script that chews through the 32GB on this box and everything becomes unresponsive. logs suggest oomkiller never ran, just an eventual " systemd[1]: systemd-journald.service: Watchdog timeout (limit 3min)!"
[21:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> followed by some segfaults i guess
[21:25] <NoImNotNineVolt> (in other unrelated services, metrics reporting, etc)
[21:25] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt: seems like the script has a large appetite!
[21:25] <NoImNotNineVolt> indeed. i was expecting oomkiller to, well, kill it.
[21:25] <NoImNotNineVolt> or kill something, at least.
[21:27] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: are you actually out of memory?
[21:27] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: OOM killer is only invoked by actually being out of memory in the kernel, not by a process hogging meory.
[21:27] <TJ-> nacc: I'd suspect it's because the OS is set-up by default to over-subscribe memory; try changing it to be 1:1
[21:27] <Jordan_U> NoImNotNineVolt: The OOM Killer doesn't kill stuff until you've completely run out of memory. Unfotunately, long before that happens things start getting swapped to disk, and they get slooooooooooow. Meaning that it can sometimes take a long time to reach the point of finally getting out of memory and triggerin the OOM killer.
[21:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> ... there's no swap.
[21:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's a 64GB box with no swap.
[21:28] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: using 32GB of 64GB doens't mean you're out of memory
[21:28] <jil> hello
[21:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> it chews through memory quickly.
[21:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> let me see if i can find the metrics server it was reporting to and get some better info.
[21:29] <aidanh010> Y'all are probably not going to believe this, but my server has a case of multiple personality disorder after a do-release-upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.04.1 LTS. Upgrade went fine, rebooted, SSH back in and prompt says 16.04 LTS. A new user that I created right before the upgrade is also gone. Not a minute later the SSH connection drops and on reco
[21:29] <aidanh010> nn the prompt is 18.04.1 LTS and my user is there... and this continues every minute since
[21:29] <jil> I'm trying to help my wife with something on her computer.. but I'm 7000km away.. I need remote desktop.
[21:29] <Platonides> NoImNotNineVolt: are you sure there's no swap?
[21:29] <Platonides> why would it get unresponsive otherwise?
[21:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> Platonides: Swap:            0B          0B          0B
[21:29] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: if you have that data, then what is the memory consumption like?
[21:29] <aidanh010> host key changes every reconnect as well
[21:30] <Jordan_U> NoImNotNineVolt: Dumping cache to free memory can also slow things down, but I would still expect you to hit true OOM pretty quickly without swap. It's possible that it's not just low ram causing the slowdown.
[21:30] <jil> I had her activate remote desktop on her machine. I have the IP.. but I don't know what to use to connect and see her desktop
[21:30] <Platonides> aidanh010: probably two machines with the same ip
[21:30] <nacc> aidanh010: sounds like you are perhaps having two systems that are colliding on the same IP
[21:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> Jordan_U: extremely low disk i/o the whole time.
[21:30] <aidanh010> its a public i[p
[21:30] <Jordan_U> NoImNotNineVolt: Note, you can manually trigger the OOM killer with alt+sysrq+k, but only if you've enabled sysrq magic.
[21:30] <nacc> aidanh010: you should *never* accept host key changes
[21:30] <aidanh010> vps
[21:30] <Jordan_U> !sysrq | NoImNotNineVolt
[21:30] <nacc> aidanh010: unless you are absolutely sure they are expected
[21:30] <jil> both are linuxes ubuntu based
[21:31] <nacc> jil: pretty sure it's just vnc
[21:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> does that work over ssh?
[21:31] <jil> vnc
[21:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea this is a headless box.
[21:31] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: you would need to use /proc/sysrq-trigger in that case, i think
[21:32] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: you can't sysrq over ssh, via the keyboard, no. That will sysrq your local machine, of course.
[21:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> local machine is a win10 box :P
[21:33] <jil> nothing installed by default ?
[21:33] <jil> to connect remotely
[21:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> either way, i can reboot the box remotely from ec2 api, so that's not the issue. i just want this process killed when it eats all the rams so that systemd can restart it clean.
[21:34] <Khaotic> any idea why my builtin bluetooth stop working? one day i wil boot and it shows as having an adapter. the next day it says one isnt installed
[21:34] <NoImNotNineVolt> sshd is installed and running.
[21:34] <JPSman> nacc, so, that tarball only had text files in it...
[21:34] <nacc> jil: ? you would need a vnc viewer
[21:35] <nacc> JPSman: i don't have context any more
[21:35] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: but it's not eating "all the rams" you said you have 64GB and it is using 32GB.
[21:35] <Platonides> NoImNotNineVolt: ulimit -v  is your friend
[21:35] <tomreyn> jil: your wife's probably behind a firewall, you'd need to have her setup port forwarding and an ssh server so you can ssh to her computer from the internet and tunnel vnc through that
[21:37] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt: vm.overcommit_{memory,ratio,kbytes} are probably what you want, along with possibly vm.oom_kill_allocating_task
[21:37] <NoImNotNineVolt> nacc: i said that last i saw it, it was using 32GB. i also said that it was chewing through ram quickly. i didn't specify how long it ran for before i noticed the system had become unresponsive, because i'm not sure. but my feeling is that it was sufficiently long enough for it to have eaten the remaining memory.
[21:37] <NoImNotNineVolt> i also said that i was trying to figure out where the metrics server is so that i could get more details.
[21:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> TJ-: i really dont' like oom_kill_allocating
[21:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> _task, but it's not clear that oom killer is being invoked.
[21:38]  * NoImNotNineVolt will afk until he finds those metrics
[21:38] <JPSman> nacc, I was looking for the latest cosmic cuttlefish wallpaper without downloadinging all of 18.10 :)
[21:39] <jil>  
[21:39] <jil> for the display what should I put ?
[21:40] <nacc> JPSman: i'm pretty sure you're wrong. the tarball is 178M.
[21:40] <JPSman> i LOVE, love love love the bionic beaver wallpaper.  I love the circles and everything, and I like cuttlefish more than I like beavers
[21:40] <nacc> JPSman: did you download the wrong tarball?
[21:40] <JPSman> nacc, oh, i grabbed the 14K one :|
[21:40] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt: how about the python process's oom_score_adj = 1000 ? makes it more likely it'll get reaped (if OOM is the issue)
[21:40] <tomreyn> jil: when connecting how?
[21:40] <nacc> JPSman: that's the debian/ directory of the source package. You want the orig.tar.gz of couse
[21:45] <sonicwind> I just installed 18.04 today on my desktop. in Software & Updates, under Other Software, it won't let me select Canonical Partners. I can click on it & it highlights, but when I try to "check" it, it greys out. Any ideas?
[21:45] <sonicwind> Is there a terminal way to enable it?
[21:46] <sonicwind> Maybe I could get an error message then.
[21:46] <nacc> JPSman: if it's not in that package, it's in some other wallpaper related pacakge
[21:47] <aidanh010> @nacc figured it out, the datacenter company somehow created TWO $400/month VMs for us and assigned them the same IP, you were right
[21:47] <nacc> aidanh010: fun :)
[21:47] <tomreyn> sonicwind: sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) partner"
[21:48] <sonicwind> thanks tomreyn ... let me write that down & try it. I'm on the other computer.
[21:48] <jil> tomreyn gvncview ip:display?
[21:49] <jil> it's strange ubuntu has to tool by default so someone can connect to your computer... but no tool to connect remotely
[21:49] <tomreyn> jil: so port forwarding is already configured? or is your wifes computer on the internet directly with no firewall / NAT in front?
[21:50] <tomreyn> jil: there is vino and vinagre, those are the default utilities for vnc connections.
[21:51] <jil> on ubutun remote desktop there an option for configuring automaticaly UPnP to open an redirect ports, this should do it no ?
[21:51] <tomreyn> sonicwind: you might want to install an ssh server on the other computer, then ssh to it from your 'chat' computer. this would allow you to copy + paste to the other computers' command line.
[21:52] <tomreyn> jil: only if your router supports and allows UPnP. many support it, but due to the security issues in this protocol it should be disabled nowadays.
[21:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> yup. i can see 43GB was the last reported memory usage, with 5GB/min increase in usage and 5 minute metrics reporting interval.
[21:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> linear projection would put it at 68GB usage for the next metrics report, which didn't go out.
[21:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, can we safely assume that memory exhaustion is the most likely explanation?
[21:53] <tomreyn> 5min intervals is maybe not good enough to monitor this.
[21:53] <JPSman> nacc, FOUND IT! :)  Its called warty-final-ubuntu.png in that tarball -- although its not an .png its a .jpg -- and its not a warthog its a cuttlefish..........
[21:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> i can just `watch free -h` and run it again if there's still a strong desire to get more info.
[21:55] <jil> tomreyn.. thank you for vinagre... It's not working.. and I can't have her do the redirection.
[21:55] <sonicwind> tomreyn, yes someday I plan to look into ssh... until then, I'm still sticking to the rest of my plate :-)
[21:56] <tomreyn> jil: then your other option is a reverse shell
[21:56] <sonicwind> tomreyn, that worked! Thanks. Not a big deal, but I have two of the source code ones listed now. I'm not using that though.
[21:56] <jil> reverse shell ?
[21:56] <jil> I did connect with ssh to her computer but I was home then.. and It was about 2 years ago.
[21:57] <jil> I had set up authorized host and stuff like that and in the mean time I changed computer.  so that won't be easy.
[21:57] <jil> but what's reverse shell
[21:57] <tomreyn> jil: https://www.howtoforge.com/reverse-ssh-tunneling
[21:59] <tomreyn> jil: this, however, requires that you are able to receive connections at your current location and computer from the internet directly, or can setup port forwarding where you are.
[21:59] <tomreyn> jil: in this example, you (or the router in front of you) are (is) 138.47.99.99
[22:00] <tomreyn> jil: and, also in this example, 192.168.20.55 is the LAN IP address of your wife.
[22:04] <jil> ok
[22:04] <jil> thank you tomreyn
[22:10] <tomreyn> jil: you're welcome. if you're also firewalled at your current location, the other option is for you to ssh into a server you have an ssh account on, and then have your wife connect to that server (after setting up a listening port there for her to connect to),
[22:10] <tomreyn> (i'm assuming this server is right on the internet, without a firewall / NAT in front of it)
[22:15] <pingo> Why would an ubuntu machine not have a (dhcp) ip anymore after doing "service networking restart" ? I had to manually do "dhclient enp1s0f0" to get an ip again?
[22:25] <nacc> pingo: is it a desktop or server? is it configured correctly?
[22:26] <pingo> server
[22:26] <pingo> And I am not sure
[22:26] <pingo> https://imgur.com/a/gfdNCFc
[22:27] <pingo> Looks standard to me
[22:27] <kumool> theres a program that i run that asks me to enter the password for the login keyring, is there a way to disable it asking for it?
[22:27] <nacc> pingo: what version of ubuntu?
[22:27] <blackhaze92> hello everyone
[22:28] <blackhaze92> I need some help
[22:28] <blackhaze92> now
[22:28] <tomreyn> blackhaze92: that's not exactly the approach that'll get you volunteer support
[22:28] <blackhaze92> I need to know if linux needs a antivirus
[22:29] <kumool> blackhaze92, no
[22:29] <hggdh> blackhaze92: generic response: no.
[22:29] <kumool> blackhaze92, yes
[22:29] <kumool> I do have a nice antivirus though
[22:30] <nacc> pingo: ?
[22:31] <blackhaze92> I need to know why linux does not need an antivirus
[22:31] <nacc> blackhaze92: why do you need to know that ?
[22:31] <pingo> nacc sorry I don't have access anymore
[22:32] <pingo> I think it was latest stable
[22:32] <kumool> blackhaze92, heres an anti virus for all OS's { https://www.virustotal.com/#/search/^`md5 file` }
[22:32] <kumool> blackhaze92, basically because nobody cares about linux
[22:33] <nacc> pingo: not quite sure how we should help you. But if you mean 18.04 and it is a fresh install, /etc/network/interfaces isn't used for network configuration anymore.
[22:33] <blackhaze92> kumool: thanks, then I does not need clam av
[22:34] <blackhaze92> in my system
[22:34] <pingo> it's ok, I asked a questions and I don't have enough details for you to be able to help, sorry about that
[22:36] <hggdh> blackhaze92: as long as you do not install software from other sources, and as long as you keep careful on where you browse, no problems
[22:37] <hggdh> blackhaze92: the most common issue on linux is had by installing anything from anywhere, and by having your browser running weird extensions
[22:37] <blackhaze92> hggdh: I am eeryday on internet
[22:37] <hggdh> blackhaze92: so are most here...
[22:38] <weijunli> why when I run `frida`
[22:38] <weijunli> I have this error -> bash: /home/ubunt3r/.local/bin/frida: No such file or directory
[22:39] <hggdh> weijunli: what is frida?
[22:39] <weijunli> hggdh, frida.re
[22:39] <weijunli> it's installed thru pip, `pip install frida`
[22:41] <weijunli> is it some kind of PATH issue
[22:42] <hggdh> weijunli: try joining #frida, and asking there
[22:42] <weijunli> hggdh, dead #
[22:48] <blackhaze92> everyday I try to get better on security in my pc
[22:52] <Ntemis> hey hi
[22:52] <Ntemis> some help please
[22:52] <Ntemis> Err:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu bionic Release
[22:53] <Ntemis> there is no bionic branch
[22:53] <Ntemis> ppa-purge cant remove that
[22:53] <Ntemis> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:53] <Ntemis> thanks ppa-purge
[22:53] <Ntemis> now what?
[22:55] <tomreyn> Ntemis: remove the corresponding file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:55] <Ntemis> let me see
[22:55] <Ntemis> ty btw
[22:56] <Ntemis> you mean rm rf? tomreyn
[22:56] <Ntemis> delete phablet-team-ubuntu-tools-bionic.list ?
[22:56] <tomreyn> Ntemis: i mean: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/phablet-team-ubuntu-tools-bionic.list
[22:57] <Ntemis> yeah same
[22:57] <Ntemis> ty
[22:57] <tomreyn> Ntemis: you'd also want to remove the apt repository signing key
[22:58] <Ntemis> how i do that?
[22:58] <tomreyn> sudo apt-key delete 450954F09BE10B09A9CEA0AE5C5364B55E51A24C
[22:58] <Ntemis> btw i have others i dont need can i delete those too?
[22:58] <Ntemis> embrosyn-ubuntu-cinnamon-bionic.list
[22:58] <Ntemis> embrosyn-ubuntu-cinnamon-bionic.list.save
[22:58] <Ntemis> jonathonf-ubuntu-mate-1_20-bionic.list
[22:59] <Ntemis> jonathonf-ubuntu-mate-1_20-bionic.list.save
[22:59] <Ntemis> mono-official-stable.list
[22:59] <Ntemis> mono-official-stable.list.save
[22:59] <tomreyn> !paste | Ntemis
[22:59] <tomreyn> you can (and should) remove any repositories you don't need.
[22:59] <tomreyn> you can also do so using the GUI if you prefer
[23:00] <tomreyn> Ntemis: you can now talk again
[23:00] <Ntemis> nah i like it here warm and cozy
[23:00] <Ntemis> so rm everything and the delete keys?
[23:00] <tomreyn> better look up the keys first
[23:01] <Ntemis> sudo apt-key delete 450954F09BE10B09A9CEA0AE5C5364B55E51A24C fails
[23:01] <tomreyn> else you wont know which to remove
[23:01] <tomreyn> sudo apt-key del 450954F09BE10B09A9CEA0AE5C5364B55E51A24C
[23:01] <Ntemis> done
[23:02] <tomreyn> but you really should try to read up on this and understand what you're doing there
[23:02] <tomreyn> this is about defining which repositories your system should trust
[23:02] <Ntemis> am tyrying to clean up any xenial left overs
[23:02] <johnjay> hrm, the ubuntu server disk comes with bind9. maybe i should dl ubuntu server and just install xorg on it more often?
[23:03] <johnjay> is tasksel still a thing or should I use metapackages in aptitude and apt-get?
[23:06] <tomreyn> johnjay: https://askubuntu.com/questions/252056/should-i-use-tasksel-tasks-in-apt-or-install-regular-metapackages
[23:06] <tomreyn> and aptitude is no longer a thing (IMO)
[23:12] <irwiss> aptitude still useful on servers...
[23:14] <cim209> hello, papirus theme icon isn't listed in settings even though it was already installed. i'm on kubuntu 18.04
[23:42] <plus2equalsme> Hello. I'm having some difficulty getting my wifi card to work on a fresh install of 18.04. The card is a BCM4321 (14e4:4328 rev 03).
[23:43] <plus2equalsme> Any chance for some guidance?
[23:43] <Bashing-om> !bcm | plus2equalsme
[23:46] <plus2equalsme> I started there, and also ended up in a number of posts at askubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.org. The problem I'm running into is that according to the wiki (and askubuntu) I should be using the bcmwl-kernel-source, but what I did that it the card will find the network, but it won't connect
[23:47] <plus2equalsme> (repeated requests for the password).
[23:48] <Bashing-om> plus2equalsme: Sorry I have not the experience with BCM to offer any advise :( Await others here to respond.
[23:50] <plus2equalsme> Thank you Bashing-om I understand BCM is a big headache for everyone, I'm on my third *nix OS trying to find something that will use the card
[23:54] <tomreyn> there's (supposedly) #bcm-users
[23:54] <tomreyn> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/b43 suggests 'wl' as an alternative driver
[23:55] <plus2equalsme> tomreyn 'wl' is the one that scans the networks but won't connect at all. I will search the bcm-users channel
[23:57] <tomreyn> plus2equalsme: if you'd like to try your chances with wl, be sure you unloaded all b43 related modules as discusse don step 4 at https://wiki.debian.org/wl
[23:58] <tomreyn> (before you load wl)
[23:59] <plus2equalsme> tomreyn it's a fresh install, b43 was never loaded (but thank you for the reminder. I'm starting to think I should be trying b43 instead though, and that was kind of my main question