/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/10/04/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

=== jamesh_ is now known as jamesh
=== mgedmin_ is now known as mgedmin
didrocksgoodm orning06:19
dufluMorning didrocks06:20
dufluand later...06:20
didrockshey duflu06:20
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:49
dufluMorning oSoMoN06:55
oSoMoNhey duflu06:56
didrockshey oSoMoN07:02
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:03
seb128good morning desktopers07:06
dufluHi seb12807:11
oSoMoNsalut seb12807:11
seb128hey duflu, lut oSoMoN, how are you?07:13
dufluseb128, I feel normality returning. Might have got to be before midnight finally. How are you?07:14
duflu-be +bed07:14
seb128ah, nice07:15
oSoMoNseb128, I'm good, how are you?07:15
seb128I'm fine today, played some tennis yesterday which was nice despite the fact that I manage to slip when changing direction and fall and bruised my elbow and hand07:15
dufluThe cost of physical activity...07:16
seb128right07:16
dufluBetter than desk-induced injuries07:16
dufluUnless the desk is encountered on the a tennis court07:20
seb128:)07:25
=== ecloud_wfh is now known as ecloud
willcookemorning desktoppers07:50
dufluMorning-ish willcooke07:51
didrockshey willcooke07:52
willcookeafternoon duflu07:52
willcookeduflu, thanks for looking at the gdm issue07:52
willcooketesting the workaround now07:52
dufluwillcooke, in the end I could not help but see it :/07:52
willcookefunny that this test machine should be "too fast", since it's old07:53
dufluWeird I had to try a third cosmic machine before I hit it07:53
dufluMaybe not weird. Just a faster system for the kernel to boot on07:53
willcookeon this machine once it "fixes" itself, it's very hard to break again07:53
willcookevery odd07:53
dufluMine too. But the problem returned immediately on the first boot after I removed the workaround07:54
seb128hey willcooke07:54
willcookeduflu, do I edit the gdm3 service file or the gdm service file?07:54
dufluwillcooke, one is a symlink to the other07:54
dufluso edit either07:55
willcookeso it is07:55
willcooke:)07:55
willcookeduflu, and do I add a second ExecPre line, or remove the one that's there are replace it?07:56
dufluwillcooke, add a second one. Seems to work07:56
dufluI suspect removing existing stuff might break07:56
willcookecan haz gdm07:57
willcookeCould this be as simple as moving gdm later in the boot process?07:58
seb128the boot is not a fixed sequence07:58
willcookeah07:58
seb128especially not with systemd07:58
seb128services reacts to other parts to be ready07:59
seb128upstream said it was a known bug in the gdm code, that's probably the best place where to fix it07:59
seb128also changing ordering of services might have side effect and create other problems07:59
willcookeduflu, triggereed the bug even with sleep 508:00
willcookeI'll try sleep 12008:00
willcooke*1008:00
dufluYeah08:00
Laneyyo08:01
seb128lol08:01
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:01
dufluHi Laney08:03
didrockshey Laney08:04
willcookeoh, my bad, I'd spelled Pre wrong08:04
willcooke /o\08:04
Laneyhey seb128 duflu didrocks08:10
LaneyI'm alright, went to a nice gig last night08:10
willcookeLaney, is Rock City still there?08:11
Laneyyeah, that's one of the big beasts08:12
willcooke\m/08:12
Laneythey have the big student night on wednesdays there, "crisis"08:12
Laneythis was at folk club in the pub down the road though :-)08:12
willcookeI have fond memories of student night in there.08:12
willcookeor rather, I dont08:12
willcookeLaney, nice :) Less students08:12
willcookeLess Fosters08:13
Laneytuborg08:14
willcookeduflu, now I've removed the sleep I can't  break it08:14
Laneythat's what I remember from rock city08:14
willcookeurgh08:14
Laneyalso the floor being so sticky that it took my shoe off08:14
dufluwillcooke,  didn't it take an hour or so to return yesterday?08:14
willcookeyes!  That I remember08:14
willcookeduflu, I reinstalled08:15
willcookeduflu, I'll try doing something else for a while08:15
willcooketjaalton, any more ideas about that virtualbox thing?09:13
willcooketjaalton, also hi! :)09:13
willcookeLaney, is your n-m fix in the new iso?09:13
Laneynoh09:14
Laneyshould be in cosmic laer09:14
tjaaltonwillcooke: show xorg log09:14
tjaaltonI bisected xserver-xorg-video-fbdev driver and reverted a commit which made kvm with bochs vga fail, but doubt it helps here09:26
tjaaltonit's in proposed now09:26
tjaaltonanyway, gdm/X is started too early before the native driver has a chance09:28
tjaaltonbut there's no easy way to determine how to keep it waiting, sometimes /dev/fb0 is enough, some need /dev/dri/card0. not sure if either would work on nvidia..09:29
popeyJust dist upgraded my cosmic vm (virtualbox) and now gnome shell segfaults on boot09:32
popeyis this known?09:32
popeyhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KcXDhLnb/09:37
popeyhttp://termbin.com/tcdg09:38
tjaaltonpopey: does it work after restarting gdm?09:41
popeytjaalton: no09:41
tjaaltonk09:41
=== niko is now known as upmine
willcookeI wonder if the same fix for gdm will work on vbox as well.  I'll try it10:01
tjaaltonyou mean adding some sleep? most likely10:04
Laneyseb128: could you delete gjs gjs-tests libgjs-dev libgjs0g/s390x/cosmic and promote mozjs60 libmozjs-60-dev libmozjs-60-0 please?10:22
Laneypopey: a backtrace would be useful, e.g. by using apport to report the .crash file10:22
seb128Laney, "4 packages successfully removed."10:24
popeyLaney: what's the best way to do that?10:24
seb128Laney, "11 publications overridden."10:26
Laneypopey: ubuntu-bug <crash file>10:27
Laneyseb128: kiss you on both cheeks10:27
seb128:)10:27
Laney😘 🍑10:28
popeyLaney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/179605610:32
ubot5Error: ubuntu bug 1796056 not found10:32
willcooketjaalton, yeah.  Just done in meetings, will test it in a mo10:32
Laneypopey: thx, that's a tjaalton thing10:59
seb128tjaalton, ^ saw that bug?11:01
seb128SIGABRT in glamor_egl_init()11:02
* Laney assumed using the nick exactly would cause a highlight11:02
seb128Laney, right, I'm never sure if people do bother when they are just being mentioned or if direct ping has a different effect/more chance to give you a reply11:05
seb128I know for sure some people go "whatever" when you mention their name without a direct question11:05
seb128(not stating it's the case here though)11:05
Laneyrighto11:06
tjaaltonsaw it now11:06
tjaaltonnever before11:06
seb128it doesn't seem to have duplicates11:07
willcooketjaalton, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mDPNsJmnRv/11:09
willcookethat's the xorg log from a live session11:09
LaneyI mean the last patch did touch that line11:09
Laneyso ;-)11:09
seb128right11:10
willcookeIs it possible for me to edit files inside an ISO image?  I'd like to try that sleep hack in the live session and I don't know how to11:14
willcookeor am I wasting my time?11:15
willcookeI suspect the later11:15
jameshif your edits don't change the size of the file it might be possible11:15
willcookeit will11:16
willcookeI wont bother11:16
willcooke:)11:16
tjaaltonremove some comments ;)11:16
willcookeha11:16
jameshdoes the change need to be live on bootup, or just when it is running?11:16
willcookewell, I'd like to try adding a sleep to the gdm service file for the live session11:17
willcookeoh, perhaps the live session isnt even using gdm11:17
jameshif it is just at runtime, copy the file to /tmp, edit it, and then bind mount it to the original location11:17
jibelwillcooke, depending on what you want to do you have to rebuild the ISO or you can stop in casper, edit the file you want and continue11:17
jibelthe live session is using gdm11:17
tjaaltonI'll discuss the new glamor_egl_init crash with upstream11:18
Laneythx!11:18
willcookejibel, ah, stopping in casper sounds like what I want.  How do I make that work?11:19
jbichawillcooke: the 19.04 trello board doesn't appear to be part of the Ubuntu Desktop team like the 18.10 board is11:19
tjaaltonwillcooke: I suspect the corruption comes when modesetting takes over from vesa..11:19
willcookejbicha, yes it's part of the Canonical group because we have a paid subscription, and so more toys.  It shouldn't affect anything else though.  If you dont have access I can add you11:19
jbichaI have read access but not write access11:20
willcooketjaalton, so not much I can do then?  Do you need more logs or anything?11:20
jbichaprobably should add darkxst there too11:21
willcookejbicha, done and done11:21
jbichathanks11:22
tjaaltonwillcooke: nah11:24
willcooketjaalton, shout if I can help11:24
jibelwillcooke, sorry, actually that won't work if you want to modify the squashfs, and if you boot in rescue mode it'll alter the boot sequence and invalidate your test (if what you want is modfying a systemd file)11:36
Laneyjibel: what's wrong with break=bottom and modifying files in /root?11:42
jibelLaney, if it breaks after the squashfs is mounted it should work indeed11:50
* Laney nods11:51
Laneybe prepared for editing files in there to be a hateful experience though :-)11:52
jibelwillcooke, then you boot, press space, F6 and add break=bottom to the kernel command line, Enter to boot. when it stops in the initramfs chroot /root and do your edit11:52
jibelctrl+d twice and boot will continue11:52
willcookeoki, that sounds fun.  I'll have ago11:55
willcookebut first food11:55
jibelwillcooke, when you install in legacy mode on a uefi system, does it boot after installation?13:26
jibelah, I get the "no gdm" issue now13:27
tjaaltonthat new crasher is because eglMakeCurrent doesn't seem to work, and that's a bug in mesa or glvnd13:32
jibelwillcooke, when I said "does it boot" I meant does it detect a bootable device?13:32
seb128Laney, jibel, willcooke, do you know what's the deal with ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu? you guys commited changed but there was no upload, was it waiting on something?13:33
seb128jbicha, I don't understand the point of that upload http://launchpadlibrarian.net/391652443/grilo-plugins_0.3.8-1ubuntu1_0.3.8-2ubuntu1.diff.gz13:34
jibelseb128, no, just someone to release it.13:35
seb128jibel, k, I'm going to merge the yaru changes and upload then13:35
jibelok13:35
LaneyI thought there were some other changes coming, but I had it on my list to check back tomorrow13:36
Laneyyou can do it if you want13:36
seb128I'm reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~madsrh/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/Yaru-CSS/+merge/35591313:36
seb128so I think I'm just going to upload with that13:36
seb128we can do another upload if there a late change still coming13:36
seb128if that's fine with others13:36
Laneyif you want to do it then you can do it13:38
seb128thx13:38
Laneynew gjs went in13:38
Laneyand n-m and plymouth13:38
Laney#goodupdateday13:38
seb128\o/13:38
seb128NEW ISO TIME13:38
seb128:)13:38
Laneywould need to publish, then takes a couple of hours13:39
seb128tomorrow morning sounds like it then13:39
Laneyprobably won't do an extra one13:39
Laneymaybe there's an xorg fix or two in the meantime ;-)13:40
ahayzenhey, does anyone know if there is going to be a new gnome-software update for cosmic before release? eg bumping to 3.30.1 or pushing of what is in the ubuntu-3-30 branch ?  I was hoping a fix i landed in the ubuntu-3-30 branch a few weeks ago would make it ...13:40
seb128ahayzen, we should have it updated to .1, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/178945113:40
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1789451 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.30.1" [High,New]13:40
seb128kenvandine, can you make sure that robert_ancell has that on his list?13:41
kenvandineseb128: will do13:41
seb128thx13:41
ahayzenseb128, ok thanks, as i fixed this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1791553  ... which doesn't affect the default install, but i saw youtube's hating on ubuntu because of it. So was trying to prevent bad press from the release :-)13:42
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1791553 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Update preferences is not shown when flatpak plugin is installed" [Medium,Triaged]13:42
seb128ahayzen, ah, flatpak ...13:43
seb128is youtube hating a thing?13:43
* seb128 is too old for knowing about that :p13:43
ahayzenyeah it was a feature listed in the gnome 3.30 release, so people were getting a bit ragy that wasn't in ubuntu cosmic :-) Anyway, if what is in ubuntu-3-30 branch is pushed to cosmic that'll fix it13:44
seb128it should yes13:44
seb128thx for raising it up/asking though13:44
seb128and for fixing it :)13:44
Laneyyou might want to comment on the bug to make sure that robert_ancell knows about it13:45
seb128ahayzen, that change is confusing though13:45
seb128unsure it's a good idea to land that in cosmic13:45
seb128was there anything done to communicate that the setting apply to flatpak only?13:46
ahayzenseb128, i worked with robert and he approved the merges :-)  i think long term snappy could hook into it as well.  I'm happy to modify the text to mention flatpak or something if required13:47
seb128the fact that you worked with Robert doesn't reply to my question13:47
seb128I guess it means "no"?13:47
ahayzennot visually to the user, no. Suggestions welcome :-)13:48
seb128it's too late for a string change13:48
seb128I would vote -1 for landing that change/fix in cosmic13:48
seb128it sucks a bit, unsure how to handle it13:48
seb128oh, wait, you only show the dialog if the flatpak plugin is installed?13:49
ahayzenok :-/ the problem is that users are forced into auto updates unless they go and manually edit dconf13:49
seb128(which we don't install by default)13:49
ahayzenseb128, yes i only show it if gnome-software-plugin-flatpak is enabled13:49
seb128ah ok13:49
seb128then it's good enough13:49
ahayzenseb128, so for a default install there is no difference13:49
ahayzensorry i should have mentioned that13:49
seb128the users who go manually install that can deal with the side effects13:49
seb128right, I just remembered13:49
ahayzenyes13:49
seb128so it should be all good :)13:49
ahayzen:-)13:49
seb128still not ideal but it will do13:50
ahayzenyeah :-/ i really hope that snaps can also integrate with that dialog. As it'd be nice to have a common way to disable/enable auto updates between the formats13:50
ahayzenok, so in conclusion, it should hopefully be in cosmic when 3.30.1 is updated13:51
seb128yes13:52
seb128as for snap, let's see13:52
seb128but snapd has a metered property already, so it should be easy enough to make the UI change it13:53
seb128then unsure how to keep the settings in sync since on the backend they have different locations13:53
seb128and I doubt snapd wants to use dconf13:53
ahayzenmaybe the gnome-software-plugin-snap can listen to that button and set something to libsnapd-glib ?  (i'm not familiar how the snap parts are structured though)13:55
seb128that direction is easy13:56
seb128but what it the user change the snap property through the snapctl command13:56
seb128then the dconf and snap setting disagree13:56
seb128what does the checkbox status in the UI is?13:56
ahayzenah yeah, if you have both snap and flatpak you could get them out of sync etc. So probably something to discuss with upstream.13:57
seb128right13:57
seb128also that settings doesn't apply to debs updates either13:57
seb128but yeah, upstream design discussions13:58
kenvandineseb128: updating the cosmic seed for portals and it's dropping gdm3, gnome-shell and ubuntu-settings for s39014:02
kenvandineseb128: i guess that's not a surprise right?14:02
Laneycorrect14:02
kenvandinejust making sure ;)14:02
seb128right14:02
kenvandinethanks14:03
seb128kenvandine, btw did you see the ping about snaps/yaru icons, yaru team waiting for a comment thing?14:03
kenvandineyesterday?14:03
kenvandineseb128: i responded yesterday, haven't had a chance to check today if there was more activity14:04
seb128kenvandine, right, sorry I don't know what that post is so I couldn't check14:05
seb128there is no recent topic with "icon" in the title14:05
jbichaseb128: I manually typed in the wrong version number when I merged grilo-plugins so gnome-music is in depwait14:05
seb128kenvandine, thanks!14:05
jbichahttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-music/3.30.1-1/+build/1550946514:05
seb128jbicha, ah ok, you should perhaps have mentioned that in the changelog to help the reviewer to understand that the update has a point out of cosmic of the changelog14:06
seb128jbicha, also why did you drop the "Merge with Debian" bits?14:06
seb128from the previous changelog entry14:06
jbichaok, let me reupload14:06
seb128well don't bother for me14:06
seb128I'm not in the release team14:06
seb128k, slideshow uploaded, rebooting to see if the issue with that usb stick is the device/image or if it's the inspiron not liking it for a reason14:16
willcookesorry, been in docs, missed pings.  Reading14:20
seb128bah, the key works on my laptop but only in uefi mode, it gives an error in bios mode14:23
seb128the inspiron is uefi enabled though14:24
seb128but it doesn't like the key at all :/14:24
seb128rewritting the image in case that makes a difference14:24
willcookejibel, seb128 - My inspiron is, afiact, in BIOS mode and was booting properly14:25
willcookegood update day indeed, looking forward to tomorrows iso14:26
willcookemaybe these gdm issues and vbox issues will be fixed by then too ;D14:26
seb128willcooke, how do put it in bios mode?14:27
willcookeseb128, sec14:28
seb128or you mean secure boot disabled?14:28
willcookeI think it's real BIOS mode14:28
seb128I don't find that option in the bios settings here :/14:28
willcookeBoot -> Boot List Option14:29
willcookeLegacy or UEFI14:29
seb128that line is grey for me14:29
seb128I can't select it14:29
willcooketurn off secure boot first?14:29
seb128it is off14:30
* willcooke checks the other setting14:30
seb128I might need a bios update?14:30
seb128did you ever update the bios on that machine?14:31
seb128can fwupd do that? ;)14:31
willcookenever tried14:31
seb128k, it worked in a port on the left14:32
seb128I had it on the right side before14:32
willcookeBIOS version A0514:32
seb128weird14:32
willcooke?!14:32
seb128go figure14:32
seb128willcooke, thx :)14:32
willcookeany time14:32
xnoxDoes ubports use upstart in bionic?14:50
xnoxin user session?14:50
seb128willcooke, k, same bug that you with gdm on my inspiron14:51
seb128xnox, no idea14:51
Laneythere is no upstart in bionic?14:51
willcookeseb128, cool.  If you can be bothered, add the sleep line to the systemd unit and see it fixed14:52
seb128k, did it work for you?14:52
seb128that's a workaround though...14:52
willcookeseb128, yes and yes14:52
willcookealso worked for duflu14:52
willcookeso no need to test really14:52
seb128k14:52
willcookehalfline is on the case14:52
seb128but need to fix really14:52
seb128right14:52
seb128if he doesn't get to it this week we might want to consider helping next week14:53
Laneythere's a merge request14:53
xnoxLaney, correct there is no upstart in bionic; but i'm going to upload "Conflicts: upstart" in systemd =/14:53
xnoxwhich may affect them.14:53
jbichaxnox: do you telegram? if so try https://ubports.com/contact-us14:55
=== lool- is now known as lool
seb128Laney, a WIP one that needs some fixing though14:59
seb128e.g I don't think we can backport it to our package as it14:59
LaneyI know Seb, I left some comments on it.14:59
seb128k, sorry, I guess I didn't get what you were trying to tell me then15:01
seb128or maybe my comment was not clear15:01
Laneythat it's in hand15:01
seb128if halfline is too busy maybe we should consider helping to get to cleanup/land the work15:01
seb128is what I meant15:01
seb128but let's see15:01
willcooke+115:01
LaneyI did help15:02
seb128so we should be set :)15:02
LaneyYes.15:02
seb128thx Laney!15:03
seb128kenvandine, could you have bug #1787653 on your list/ask Robert to have a look? it's the second error on the weekly view of e.u.c/cosmic and seems to have started to spike this cycle15:04
ubot5Error: Launchpad bug 1787653 could not be found15:04
kenvandineseb128: sure15:06
seb128thx15:07
jbichaseb128: you can remove tracker & tracker-miners from cosmic-proposed. (I checked with darkxst)15:13
seb128jbicha, k15:13
seb128jbicha, what's the reason? (the removal tools requires one)15:14
seb128"the update requires a MIR which isn't going to be approved before cosmic"?15:14
jbicha"not enough time to resolve LP: #1793550 before cosmic release"15:17
ubot5Launchpad bug 1793550 in tracker (Ubuntu) "tracker library needs ontology files from tracker binary package" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179355015:17
seb128thx15:17
jbichaTim's solution would have worked but I don't want to rush it into Debian over mbiebl's concerns right now15:18
seb128jbicha, done15:19
seb128kenvandine, jamesh, we might want to keep an eye on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal/+bug/1796113 if we install portal by default now15:21
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1796113 in xdg-desktop-portal (Ubuntu) "/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal:11:export_portal_implementation:on_bus_acquired:connection_get_cb:g_task_return_now:g_task_return" [Undecided,New]15:21
seb128it has a few reports only but it was not default yet15:21
seb128andyrock, unsure how busy you are atm, if not too much maybe you can have a look to bug #1796115? that started with 3.30.0 apparently15:23
ubot5bug 1796115 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-control-center:6:g_assertion_message:g_assertion_message_expr:cc_object_storage_add_object:cc_wifi_panel_static_init_func:cc_panel_loader_fill_model" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179611515:23
seb128changing location, brb15:25
seb128back15:45
andyrockseb128: hey I'm working on a crash that happens on gnome-shell --replace15:49
andyrockthat is preventing me to do other work15:49
andyrockI took a look at 1796115 (forgot to puth in the status report!) last week, for what I understand it could happen when you launch g-c-c as root15:50
willcookenice forum post on the gttk2 themes jamesh15:50
seb128andyrock, ah ok, thx15:50
seb128g-s seems higher priority indeed15:50
andyrockseb128: I'll take another look btw15:51
andyrockseb128: for the moment I was able to understand that this does not happen when nautilus-desktop is not running15:51
andyrockseb128: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/627 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/59515:52
gitbotGNOME issue 627 in gnome-shell "Shell 3.30 crashed on Arch Linux" [Opened]15:52
gitbotGNOME issue 595 in gnome-shell "gnome-shell --replace crashes on 3.30" [1. Crash, 2. Needs Information, Opened]15:52
andyrocknot sure if arch is running nautilus-desktop too15:53
andyrockrunning gnome-shell with --sync I see that crash happens whey gnome-shell creates the "Change Background..." menu15:53
kenvandineLaney: trying to refresh ubuntu-meta and it's not adding xdg-desktop-portal-gtk16:23
kenvandinethe seed has been updated in git16:23
kenvandineit's been a couple hours now16:23
kenvandineLaney: ideas?16:23
LaneyI suspect you need to promote it16:23
kenvandinei thought it wouldn't get promoted until something needed it16:26
Laneyit does (the seed)16:26
kenvandineah16:27
Laneyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-October/004609.html16:27
kenvandineLaney: thanks, i thought they wouldn't hit component-mismatches until ubuntu-meta was uploaded16:27
kenvandinecool, so i guess i just wait now :)16:28
Laneymaybe you know a friendly archive admin :P16:29
* kenvandine winks at seb128 16:30
seb128kenvandine, done16:40
kenvandineseb128: thanks!16:40
seb128I only put the main binary for xdg-desktop-portal to main16:40
seb128not the -dev nor -test binaries16:40
kenvandinethat's fine16:40
seb128k, good16:41
kenvandineand xdg-desktop-portal-gtk too right?16:41
seb128yes16:41
seb128that one has only 1 binary16:41
kenvandinegreat, thanks16:41
seb128so no question :)16:41
willcookegood night all17:24
seb128have a nice evening desktopers17:26
kenvandinegood evening seb12817:28
seb128thx! :-)17:28
=== jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand
kenvandinejibel: should i report a bug about the images in the installer being bionic beaver?18:35
kenvandinejibel: or is that known and just not done yet?18:35
jibelkenvandine, no, next build should have the right mascot18:38
kenvandinejibel: great18:42
kenvandinejibel: and willcooke was updating the screenshots right?18:42
jibelkenvandine, yes18:47

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!