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[05:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu6]
[05:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu6]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: r-cran-popepi (cosmic-proposed/primary) [0.4.5-1]
[07:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-9.10]
[07:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-9.10]
[07:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-desktop (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10.4+git20180830.02.f2dbc215fdb-1 => 10.4+git20180830.02.f2dbc215fdb-2] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie) (sync)
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[07:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apt (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.7.0~rc2ubuntu1 => 1.7.0] (core) (sync)
[07:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: r-cran-xslt (cosmic-proposed/primary) [1.3-1]
[08:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sunpy (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.9.2-5 => 0.9.3-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sunpy [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.9.3-1]
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron-fwaas-dashboard (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.5.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.5.0-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron-fwaas-dashboard [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.5.0-0ubuntu2]
[08:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-session (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.0-0ubuntu3 => 3.30.0-0ubuntu4] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[08:36] <jamespage> well that's a little embarrassing - I should not straddle work over a weekend.
[08:36]  * jamespage goes to fix his FTBFS
[08:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-imaplib2 (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.57-3 => 2.57-5] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-imaplib2 [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.57-5]
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fpylll (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1+ds1-3 => 0.4.1+ds1-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fpylll [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1+ds1-4]
[08:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron-fwaas-dashboard (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.5.0-0ubuntu2 => 1.5.0-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[08:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron-fwaas-dashboard [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.5.0-0ubuntu3]
[09:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected systemd [source] (bionic-proposed) [237-3ubuntu10.5]
[09:39] <ginggs> is it an option to RM imexam on s390x? it would be good to get python-scipy to migrate
[09:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (cosmic-proposed/main) [0.131ubuntu12 => 0.131ubuntu13] (core)
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted awscli [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.16.26-1]
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libdebian-installer [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.110ubuntu3]
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sssd [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.16.3-1ubuntu1]
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-characters [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.29.91-1ubuntu1]
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted reiserfsprogs [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:3.6.27-2ubuntu1]
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-themes [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [16.10+18.10.20181004.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-manager [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:18.10.10]
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-themes [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [16.10+18.10.20181005-0ubuntu1]
[10:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted twisted [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [18.7.0-3]
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted git [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:2.19.1-1ubuntu1]
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nova [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2:18.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kubuntu-meta [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.378]
[10:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted babl [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.1.58-1]
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cups-filters [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.21.3-1]
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pikopixel.app [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0-b9d-1]
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntukylin-theme [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.7.9.2]
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-controls [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.6]
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libfm-qt [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.13.1-5ubuntu5]
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntukylin-wallpapers [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.10.1]
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected pikopixel.app [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0-b9d-1]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gettext [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.19.8.1-8]
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evolution-data-server (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.1-1 => 3.30.1-1build1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evolution (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.30.1-1 => 3.30.1-1build1] (ubuntukylin)
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntukylin-wallpapers [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [18.10.1] (ubuntukylin)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted budgie-desktop-environment [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.10.5]
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unattended-upgrades [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.5ubuntu3]
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxqt-globalkeys [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.13.0-0ubuntu2]
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apt [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.7.0]
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted budgie-extras [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.6.1-2]
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evolution [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1build1]
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted jquery-goodies [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [12-1.1]
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted budgie-desktop [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [10.4+git20180830.02.f2dbc215fdb-2]
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted initramfs-tools [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.131ubuntu13]
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vala [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.42.2-1]
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evolution-data-server [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1build1]
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-meta [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.14]
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-documents [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.0-1build1]
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-sushi [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.0-1build1]
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-maps [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1build1]
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-settings-daemon (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.0-0ubuntu1 => 3.30.1.2-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gstreamer1.0 (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.14.2-2 => 1.14.4-1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[11:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gst-plugins-base1.0 (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.14.2-1ubuntu1 => 1.14.4-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gst-plugins-good1.0 (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.14.2-1ubuntu3 => 1.14.4-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gst-plugins-bad1.0 (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.14.2-1ubuntu1 => 1.14.4-1ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gst-plugins-ugly1.0 (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.14.2-1 => 1.14.4-1] (kubuntu) (sync)
[12:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: okteta (cosmic-proposed/universe) [5:0.25.3-0ubuntu1 => 5:0.25.4-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (cosmic-proposed/main) [18.2.1-1ubuntu1 => 18.2.2-0ubuntu1] (core, xorg)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libqmi (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.20.0-1ubuntu1 => 1.20.0-1.1ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: modemmanager (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.7.990-1ubuntu1 => 1.8.2-1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-themes [sync] (bionic-proposed) [16.10+18.04.20181004-0ubuntu1]
[13:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-themes [sync] (bionic-proposed) [16.10+18.04.20181005-0ubuntu1]
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lightsoff (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:3.28.0-1 => 1:3.30.0-1] (desktop-extra) (sync)
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evince (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.0-3ubuntu1 => 3.30.1-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: goocanvasmm-2.0 (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.90.11-1 => 1.90.11-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted goocanvasmm-2.0 [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.90.11-2]
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-taquin (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.28.0-2 => 3.30.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: numix-icon-theme-circle (cosmic-proposed/universe) [18.09.19-1 => 18.10.03-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-taquin [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.0-1]
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted numix-icon-theme-circle [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [18.10.03-1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: network-manager-pptp (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.2.6-2 => 1.2.8-1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mypaint-brushes (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-1 => 1.3.0-1.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mypaint-brushes [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.3.0-1.1]
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dino-im (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.0.git20180904-1 => 0.0.git20180921-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dino-im [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.0.git20180921-1]
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: daisy-player (cosmic-proposed/universe) [11.4-1build1 => 11.6.1.1-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted daisy-player [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [11.6.1.1-1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: inxi (bionic-backports/universe) [2.3.56-1 => 3.0.24-1-1~ubuntu18.04.1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-session [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.0-0ubuntu4]
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thunderbird (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:52.7.0+build1-0ubuntu1 => 1:52.9.1+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[15:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: plasma-discover (cosmic-proposed/universe) [5.13.5-1ubuntu5 => 5.13.5-1ubuntu6] (kubuntu)
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-settings-daemon [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1.2-1ubuntu1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evince [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lightsoff [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1:3.30.0-1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted modemmanager [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.8.2-1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted okteta [source] (cosmic-proposed) [5:0.25.4-0ubuntu1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libqmi [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.20.0-1.1ubuntu1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted network-manager-pptp [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.2.8-1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.2.2-0ubuntu1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted plasma-discover [source] (cosmic-proposed) [5.13.5-1ubuntu6]
[16:09] <wxl> when it comes to the upload queue, can someone tell me the difference between done and accepted?
[16:12] <cjwatson> Accepted means that per-upload processing has happened but the publisher hasn't run on it yet.
[16:12] <wxl> oh well that's a very useful difference! thanks cjwatson
[16:12] <Trevinho> ah, sil2100 I forgot to thank you for the review :-)
[16:13] <cjwatson> So it's a valid upload and will be processed, but it isn't yet in the Packages/Sources index files (even on the master system).
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libepoxy (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.5.2-0.3 => 1.5.3-0.1] (core) (sync)
[16:19] <seb128> could I get a review for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bolt/+bug/1795864 ? I would rather land that update early than late if possible
[16:21] <sil2100> Trevinho: yw!
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1023.26] (kernel)
[16:25] <tsimonq2> infinity: How possible would it be to limit Lubuntu 18.10 to a six month support cycle? (i.e. Must upgrade to 19.04 as soon as it comes out)
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (cosmic-proposed/main) [140 => 141] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
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[17:05] <infinity> tsimonq2: Personally, I'd not be inclined to allow any flavour to do that.  Without the overlap, you're guaranteed to be leaving people unsupported for some period of time.
[17:07] <tsimonq2> infinity: Is 9 months a hard limit or can something be decided on where 6 < x < 9?
[17:07] <teward> infinity: not to mention users are 'lazy' and won't want to immediately upgrade every 6 months the moment we release - which is why i support 9 months because that gives a 3 month buffer where users SHOULD be moving their data to an upgraded system (and it doesn't cause headaches with support either different from the system)
[17:07] <teward> (my two cents even though I don't have a say)
[17:07] <infinity> tsimonq2: I could see an argument for the 9mo series' being 7mo instead to encourage faster upgrading, but if that's a discussion we were going to have, I'd rather have it for everyone, not just one flavour.
[17:08] <infinity> tsimonq2: teward's point is one of the reasons it's currently 9mo, though.  It takes people a little while to evaluate a dist-upgrade.
[17:08] <tsimonq2> But this is non-LTS.
[17:08] <teward> tsimonq2: same point stands.
[17:09] <tsimonq2> I think it's worth re-evaluating, personally.
[17:09] <teward> tsimonq2: go to Ask Ubuntu.  Peruse the 17.10 tag for recent posts.  See how many people are still using 17.10 and haven't upgraded yet
[17:09] <infinity> I mean, we did do so once.  It used to be 18mo. :P
[17:09] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:09] <teward> tsimonq2: you'll see exactly how many users fit into the "lazy" category of my point.
[17:09] <infinity> Not that long ago, really.
[17:10] <tsimonq2> infinity: I assume this is a TB-level decision? Mind if I make my case at the next meeting?
[17:11] <teward> tsimonq2: if I may be so inclinde to ask
[17:11] <teward> what *is* your reasoning other than "Upgrade faster"?
[17:11] <teward> because there's no way we, the community / Ubuntu at large, can force users to upgrade.  They'll always be lazy and "not upgrade until they don't have a chocie"
[17:12] <teward> even when it goes EOL we see this, which is why I said to peruse the 17.10 tag on Ask ubuntu for recent posts
[17:12] <teward> (we close at least one or two a day for EOL reason)
[17:12] <tsimonq2> Less resources spent maintaining near-EOL releases.
[17:12] <infinity> teward: To be fair, that's an argument for faster EOLs, not slower. :)
[17:12] <infinity> But we have the overlap for responsible users, not irresponsible ones.
[17:12] <teward> infinity: while you're not wrong, users are still 'lazy' (the civil way of my categorization of 90% of the users)
[17:13] <teward> infinity: +1 there
[17:13] <infinity> We can't do anything about people who refuse to upgrade, we can do plenty for people who cautiously evaluate upgrades.
[17:13] <teward> infinity: if anything i'm parital to 7-9month range, but not 6 :P
[17:13] <teward> in case it's relevant :P
[17:13] <teward> infinity: good question from simon thouhg, is that a TB discussion or something that all flavors need to be voiced in on rather than TB level alone?
[17:14] <teward> (or is this something that SABDFL would have a voice on?)
[17:14] <infinity> tsimonq2: How much time do you spend doing SRUs in that 3mo over overlap?
[17:14] <infinity> teward: I think Mark was involved in the 18->9 switch, but I'm not convinced he'd have to be.  Either way, it's certainly something the TB would be involved in.
[17:15] <infinity> tsimonq2: If you want to bring it to tomorrow's meeting, go for it, but I'd rather have hard data (about SRUs during the overlap, in months 1, 2, 3, for several 9mo releases, etc), than just based on feelings about "it's a waste of time, but I can't show how much".
[17:16] <teward> infinity: when/where is the TB meeting tomorrow, if I want to lurk :P
[17:16] <infinity> tsimonq2: My experience as that 95% of the SRUs to a short release are in the *first* 3mo after release, and most of what happens in the last 3mo are just security fixes, which are certainly a burden on someone, but that someone isn't you.
[17:16] <infinity> s/as that/is that/
[17:17] <infinity> (But my 95% was a made-up statistic, and real numbers would be interesting if we're talking about changing things)
[17:20] <teward> infinity: the other reason I don't like 6 (but would be okay for 7-9) is because for business-critical resources sometimes you can't just jump within a month of a new release due to software versions, etc. in the corporate world - which is a reason to keep it at 9 months, in my opinion
[17:20] <teward> (where I work we actually do have a fair amount of inertia for migrating between server versions, it's why I forced LTSes when I came on staff...)
[17:24] <infinity> Right, I couldn't with a straight face call something "supported" if we forced upgrades the day a new release came out.  But I'm open to discussions of shrinking the window, if they're data-driven, rather than emotional arguments.
[17:24] <infinity> Anyhow, back to Canadian Thanksgiving and Not Working(tm) with me.
[17:25] <teward> HEH
[17:25] <teward> enjoy infinity
[17:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: a2ps (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:4.14-3 => 1:4.14-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted a2ps [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1:4.14-4]
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[18:30] <wxl> it seems lubuntu images failed due to issues getting index files due to hash sum mismatches, but i didn't get a notification. is there some list i'm not on?
[18:40] <acheronuk> wxl: is it because the livefs build succeeded, and the fail was later on in the iso build scriptery?
[18:43] <wxl> it failed in "Building Lubuntu daily CDs"
[18:43] <wxl> which is to say yes
[18:43] <wxl> given that the previous step is "Downloading live filesystem images" which is to say it's got a squashfs to grab
[18:44] <acheronuk> well, I thought the emails got sent on livefs fails. I could be wrong and they are both stages
[18:45] <wxl> yeah nothing in spam. boo
[18:49] <tsimonq2> infinity: Can do.
[18:50] <tsimonq2> Since mdeslaur is on the security team, maybe he can attest to potential time saved there.
[18:51] <tsimonq2> But I think he's also Canadian, thus holidaym
[18:51] <tsimonq2> s/holidaym/holiday./
[19:01] <wxl> any chance anyone can get to reviewing trojita today? perhaps someone not canadian? vorlon? :)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libepoxy [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.5.3-0.1]
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nautilus [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:3.26.4-0ubuntu6]
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [source] (cosmic-proposed) [141]
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mutter [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.0-6]
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nautilus [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1:3.26.4-0ubuntu6]
[19:34] <wxl> ugh i got the darn hash sum mismatch again but livefs built fine https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/cosmic/daily-live-20181008.1.log
[19:34] <wxl> er wait
[19:34] <acheronuk> not yet
[19:34] <wxl> what did i just click on?
[19:35] <wxl> nevermind XD
[19:35] <acheronuk> the wrong log :P
[19:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: paraview (cosmic-proposed/universe) [5.4.1+dfsg4-3ubuntu2 => 5.4.1+dfsg4-3.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[19:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted paraview [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [5.4.1+dfsg4-3.1]
[19:47] <acheronuk> wxl: still hash sum mismatch
[19:48] <acheronuk> kubuntu iso did the same earkier
[19:48] <acheronuk> *earlier
[21:15] <wxl> actually it looks like budgie and kylin don't have images either
[21:16] <wxl> kylin didn't try so don't know what's up with that
[21:16] <wxl> but budgie did; hash sum mismatch
[21:19] <wxl> ^^ bashfulrobot something weird with images today
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: polari (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.30.1-1 => 3.30.1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:28] <bashfulrobot> wxl: thanks for the heads up!
[21:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted polari [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1ubuntu1]
[21:37] <bashfulrobot> wxl: it looks like most failed today, no?
[21:39] <tsimonq2> Yeahp.
[21:39] <tsimonq2> infinity: ^
[21:41] <wxl> well there's a bunch with images today
[21:42] <wxl> the ones that i see that don't have them are lubuntu and budgie and though i think they did have them for today kubuntu's rebuilds failed
[21:42] <wxl> i bet if you rebuilt everything everything would fail
[22:14] <tsimonq2> vorlon isn't Canadian, maybe he's around? :P
[22:16] <vorlon> tsimonq2, wxl: Columbus Day, which I'm kind of happy neither of you were aware of, but I'm still taking the bank holiday
[22:16] <tsimonq2> vorlon: Alright.
[22:16] <wxl> Indigenous People's Day, right
[22:16] <tsimonq2> So that's what the grumblings on Twitter were about... huh
[22:16] <wxl> (to hell with columbus)
[22:17] <tsimonq2> That.
[22:17] <vorlon> anyway, not clear on what you needed, I could push some buttons quickly while you have me at the keyboard
[22:17] <tsimonq2> vorlon: Images broken because of hash mismatch.
[22:17] <wxl> that
[22:17] <wxl> the harder one is reviewing new package trojita but i doubt that's a couple pushes of the button
[22:17] <wxl> unless you want to blindly give it your blessing :)
[22:18] <vorlon> not so much
[22:18] <vorlon> which images should I be trying to respin?
[22:18] <wxl> lubuntu and kubuntu and budgie but we've already tried respinning and got the same error
[22:18] <wxl> livefs builds fine
[22:21] <vorlon> sure; I'm poking the ftp mirror first and then respinning
[22:21] <vorlon> queued up
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Thanks vorlon.
[22:27] <tsimonq2> infinity: Are we thinking Thursday for RCs?
[22:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-software (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.0-0ubuntu1 => 3.30.2-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[23:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accerciser (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.22.0-5 => 3.22.0-6] (desktop-extra) (sync)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iagno (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:3.28.0-1 => 1:3.30.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted iagno [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1:3.30.0-1]
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautilus-python (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.1-6 => 1.2.2-1] (ubuntu-budgie) (sync)
[23:30] <wxl> well kubuntu has images now
[23:30] <wxl> not me
[23:30]  * wxl cries
[23:59] <wxl> vorlon: i know you're vacationing but do you have any further insight on this issue of our images?