[00:00] <TJ-> someone_: it means you're trying to remove a package that other packages depend on. so if you remove it, those other packages have to be removed too else they'll be broken
[00:01] <dman777> i don't have swap in /etc/fstab but free -h shows swap 4 gigs. Where is it making a swap at? df does not show swap ether
[00:02] <TJ-> dman777: "cat /proc/swaps"
[00:02] <TJ-> dman777: systemd will automount it if there's a swap partition (found by its metadata)
[00:10] <dman777> TJ-: thank you
[00:17] <dman777> for 18.04, how do I show the grub menu on boot up? I seee a grub timeout style hidden but not sure if that is is
[00:17] <dman777> it
[00:20] <dman777> nm....got it
[00:42] <Hell-Razor> Alright lets see here, I have a nvidia 1080, nomodeset during install still brings up a black screen after grub.. Any suggestions?
[00:58] <texla> #linux
[01:02] <Hell-Razor> Or how about this - I finally got my machine booted, what is a good partitioning scheme? I installed windows on uefi but my bios suppots both. Ubuntu didnt give me the option to install "along side" Windows so I am not even sure it knows its there - that worrys me because I dont thing grub will know to put the boot options for Windows in
[01:14] <maxcell_> how can i install steam from terminal on ubuntu?
[01:14] <maxcell_> its steam-devices or steam-install ?
[01:22] <Bashing-om> maxcell_: do ' apt show steam ' . If that is what you want then do ' sudo apt install steam ' on a fully updated system .
[01:26] <maxcell_> Bashing-om: thanks im trying here
[01:27] <Bashing-om> maxcell_: :)
[01:27] <maxcell_> thing is, i downloaded Steam from the website and try to install it, it gives me an error after the install and now i can't install via apt-get install because it gives me another error
[01:27] <maxcell_> so i'm trying to remove the steam that i install from the website
[01:28] <maxcell_> i think i remove it, and i also deleted  ~/.steam folder
[01:28] <Bashing-om> maxcell_: There is a reson we do not support 3rd party installs . I have not the experience to advise in this case .
[01:48] <sysRPL> hello
[01:48] <Edisto> how do you restrict kernel upgrades?
[01:49] <sysRPL> can someone please help me get wireless working on an hp stream laptop with a fresh copy of ubuntu installed on it?
[01:49] <sysRPL> it has no ethernet port, and the wireless does not work, so i cannot install anything from a repository
[01:50] <sysRPL> when i try installing the restricted broadcom driver source, i get a modprobe error saying the module wl could not be found
[01:51] <sysRPL> sudo dpkg -i bcmwl-kernel-source*.deb
[01:51] <sysRPL> then something like -> DKMS install completed. Modprobe: ERROR : could not insert 'wl': required key not available update-initrams: deferring update (trigger activated) processing triggers for initramfs -tools (0.122ubuntu8.1) ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-31-generic
[02:02] <kinghat> why are some of my mounted drives(internal) hidden? while an added fstab share and separate internal are not?
[02:10] <kinghat> these are all internal drives: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KP7vEVlN/image.png
[02:11] <kinghat> i renamed staging and windows 10 internal drives to those names and they became hidden after. not sure how to set them to be not hidden.
[02:15] <guiver_d> kinghat: what are you running?  Ubuntu or Neon?  (if drives are hibernated (fast-boot is a form of hibernate; where part of fs is in hibernate file thus fs is in accurate-state); they won't be mounted
[02:17] <kinghat> kubuntu. they have always mounted just fine and are still mounting fine. its just that they are now mounting as hidden. like the 'Windows 10' mount just turned that way after i changed it volume label. it was just a jumbled mess of text until i renamed it.
[02:17] <kinghat> same with 'staging'.
[02:19] <kinghat> also, i turned off fastboot on win10 os drive already.
[02:19] <guiver_d> s/accurate/inaccurate on my last; sorry kinghat I don't know, but if the fs is in a potentially unstable site; it won't 'mount' until corrected; if ntfs/winfs it's best to chkdsk in windows  (which may have nothing to do with your issue)
[02:19] <guiver_d> s/site/state]
[02:25] <Bashing-om> kinghat: "i renamed staging and windows 10 internal drives" and now root owns the file systems ?
[02:27] <kinghat> Bashing-om: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Atlm9WrI/image.png
[02:31] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Appears to be directories rather than "drives" . a text pastebin of ' sudo fdisk -lu ' please .
[02:33] <kinghat> Bashing-om: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7ae25c82/
[02:38] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Ok, my bad .. 4 hard drives :) .. now show in text ' ls -al /media/ ' and we step through this to verify permissions .
[02:40] <kinghat> Bashing-om: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/629fc20e/
[02:47] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Gettin g deep .. any idea why acess control list is set for the kinghat mount point ?
[02:48] <kinghat> nope
[02:49] <kinghat> 'kinghat-server' is mounted smb share via fstab.
[02:52] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Well; anyway let's take a look at what ACLs are set ' getfacl -t /media/kinghat '. Then see we can finger out . Be aware I have no LVM (sdd3) experience, No idea why only one partition is in that volume - or how that could work .
[02:53] <Bashing-om> kinghat: If it is mounted via fstab, there is no need to also mount it in /media . no ?
[02:53] <kinghat> no biggie on that one. sdd isnt hidden. also, its a fedora install.
[02:54] <kinghat> i think kde is mounting it?
[02:55] <kinghat> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dc281839/
[02:55] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Ho kay :) Fedora does LVM ... so what drives are now hidden ?
[02:57] <kinghat> sdc
[02:57] <kinghat> sdb(windows 10) was also hidden, but i cant get it mounted again for some reason. ill figure that out later.
[03:47] <cfhowlett> !ping
[03:59] <kinghat> Bashing-om: ^^
[04:02] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Sorry, thought you had it under control .. Windows ? also not in my experince range .
[04:02] <kinghat> Bashing-om: sdc(not windows) is hidden.
[04:03] <Bashing-om> kinghat: looking .
[04:03] <kinghat> im just saying the windows drive was mounting as hidden but its just not mounting anymore. im not focusing on that right now.
[04:04] <Bashing-om> kinghat: sdc is also Windows -> " /dev/sdc1        2048 1465145343 1465143296 698.7G  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT" .
[04:09] <kinghat> Bashing-om: i just logged out and back in to see if the windows drive would mount again and it did. now sdb is win 10 and sdc is just an ntfs drive.
[04:09] <kinghat> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b49df610/
[04:11] <kinghat> actually, nothing changed. but sdc is just an ntfs formatted storage drive.
[04:13] <rnat> In a dual boot system is it possible to have Windows boot in UEFI mode and linux in BIOS legacy, after making appropriate changes in the firmware interface?
[04:14] <Bashing-om> kinghat: And what file systems 0n which drives mounted where , do you not see ?
[04:16] <kinghat> Bashing-om: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KP7vEVlN/image.png i just want sdb and sdc to not be hidden.
[04:16] <llmatt556> rnat: Possibly? Does your Windows Bootloader appear on as "Windows Boot Loader" ie, not any specific device?
[04:17] <llmatt556> rnat: That is how mine appears and I think my Linux system boots in legacy/bios mode but I'm not sure how to actually check that.
[04:18] <rnat> llmatt556: No it does not . I am planning to chroot into my linux system then write to NVRAM from efibootmgr to detect Windows boot manager
[04:18] <rnat> llmatt556: I don't see a link to the image or paste
[04:20] <llmatt556> llmatt556: I didn't link to an image? And in that case I'm really not sure. I don't really mess with the boot manager unless something breaks
[04:20] <rnat> llmatt556: check whether you have /sys/firmware/efi/efivars directory
[04:21] <rnat> if it exits, you are on EFI
[04:21] <llmatt556> rnat: I do not.
[04:22] <rnat> llmatt556: it means you are on legacy bios, are you dual booting?
[04:23] <llmatt556> rnat: Yes. And I have Windows 10 booting in UEFI mode
[04:24] <cfhowlett> llmatt556, not mentioned previously but you could avoid ALL of this by installing virtualbox in Windows, then installing ubuntu to a virtual machine.
[04:25] <rnat> llmatt556: hmm I would have loved to checked the output of efibootmgr -v, but you are on legacy bios, so the output would be empty
[04:25] <Bashing-om> kinghat: sdb and sdc are both Windows ... are they cleanly unmounted and not in a hibernation state ?
[04:26] <llmatt556> cfhowlett: I use VB to test some distros but what would I have avoided? I keep backups of both systems and my Linux and Windows boot managers are separated so if if I break one I can still boot into the other fine
[04:27] <cfhowlett> fair enough.  merely sharing that you could avoid any/all boot manager issues by VM'ing the ubuntu.
[04:27] <kinghat> Bashing-om: they are both NTFS if thats what you mean? cleanly unmounted? i can browse them so not in hibernation.
[04:27] <llmatt556> cfhowlett: Yeah but it isn't the same as running it natively.
[04:29] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Good .. so how are you mounting sdb and sdc ?
[04:29] <kinghat> KDE mounts them
[04:29] <rnat> llmatt556: can you give me the out of sudo parted -l
[04:29] <rnat> output*
[04:29] <kinghat> or discover is. not sure tbh.
[04:31] <llmatt556> rnat: Here it is. https://pastebin.com/3kcQeEuj
[04:31] <rnat> llmatt556: Thanks
[04:34] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Several ways to mount file systems to attach them . gvfs for the GUI, fstab to be automounted at boot, or some other directory as on demand . Let's see if we can see how they are mounted. Show ' mount ' .
[04:38] <kinghat> Bashing-om: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/75ff245d/
[04:40] <kinghat> hmm sdb and sdc are not listed there because they are not mounted, currently.
[04:41] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Correct .. not mounted . So again, how are they mounted ... from where ?
[04:41] <kinghat> internal drives. they were mounted till i unmounted them. when i log into my session they are mounted already.
[04:43] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Then as they automount .. I would presume that the mounting is via fstab . ' cat /etc/fstab ; sudo blkid ' .
[04:50] <kinghat> Bashing-om: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bd19bf5e/
[04:52] <Bashing-om> kinghat: looking .
[04:56] <kinghat> odd because i dont see any of that other than my kinghat-server/share that i manually put in there.
[04:57] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Not mounting sdb or sdc from the current sda install. Maybe this will help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604251 <-HOWTO: Mount NTFS partitions with specific ownership/permissions .
[04:59] <kinghat> alright thanks for the help.
[05:01] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Not to say that the neon install when booted  "automounts" sdb and or sdc .. maybe from the Fedora install ?
[05:02] <kinghat> ill check it out on next boot.
[05:05] <Bashing-om> kinghat: I run 5 drives, 2 of which are presently hot: http://termbin.com/dc38 . Depending on what I want to access from where is what I boot up .
[05:51] <sg123> question: how do you move from ifupdown TO netplan? all I can find are guides on going backwards
[05:52] <sg123> a provider I use only offers Ubuntu 16.04, so I thought I'd just upgrade that to 18.04, but to my demise, I can't find any clear instructions on how you move from ifupdown to netplan
[05:53] <Bashing-om> !netplan | sg123
[05:54] <sg123> Bashing-om: I've already read the netplan site over and over again
[05:56] <Bashing-om> sg123: server install ? Maybe here : https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en
[05:56] <cim209> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7300  @ 2.00GHz (1.02GHz) • Memory: Physical: 2.4 GiB Total (1.0 GiB Free) Swap: 957.0 MiB Total (786.9 MiB Free) • Storage: 39.7 GB / 483.3 GB (443.6 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV610/M74 [Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT] @ Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controlle
[05:57] <cim209> r Hub • Uptime: 1d 22h 57m 51s
[05:57] <cim209> oops
[05:57] <sg123> Bashing-om: yep, server, I use netplan on several of my fresh-install 18.04's
[05:57] <sg123> looks like netplan made the configs for systemd-networkd
[05:58] <sg123> now I just have to bang my head off the wall while I try to get that working
[05:58] <Bashing-om> sg123: netplan here to is a process of learning. this : https://www.linux.com/learn/intro-to-linux/2018/9/how-use-netplan-network-configuration-tool-linux ?
[06:02] <sg123> `Ignoring /run/systemd/network/10-netplan-eth0.network, because it's not a regular file with suffix .netdev.`
[06:03] <lotus|NUC> cim209: not here please
[06:03] <cim209> lotus|NUC, accidentally clicked the show info menu entry
[06:04] <cim209> err send system info*
[06:04] <jas> so uppity over nothing lol
[06:05] <Bashing-om> sg123: Got me, 1st I have seen that . My notes: " -server is expected to use systemd-networkd, and it's configured via netplan " .
[06:06] <Koopz> uhh... what's the preferred way of installing Nagios nowadays?
[06:06] <cim209> jas, lol
[06:07] <Koopz> according to their official site there's version 5 out but the repos only have version 3?
[06:07] <sg123> https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1768827
[06:07] <sg123> found the problem :/
[06:07] <sg123> set-name worked just fine on digitalocean, but doesn't want to play nicely on my physical box
[06:07] <sg123> I removed set-name, and sure enough `netplan try` actually set the new IP
[06:08] <Bashing-om> sg123: :)) Thanks for sharing ! .. noted .
[06:09] <sg123> the next thing I'm wondering is whether I should be removing ifupdown, or just commenting out the config
[06:10] <Bashing-om> sg123: Commenting out is an easy restore in the event it does not work out .
[06:11] <sg123> first i'm rebooting to see if the ipv6 address stayed, if it did then I can probably comment out /etc/network/interfaces
[06:12] <sg123> appears it did :)
[06:23] <Koopz> oh... nagios 4+ is only officially supported for RHEL and CentOS...
[06:31] <maxcell_> can i install nvidia-driver-396 in ubuntu 18.04?
[06:32] <lotus|NUC> maxcell_: check ubuntu-drivers list first what your system reccomends
[06:32] <maxcell_> i'm having trouble with dota+vulkan with this driver (390)
[06:33] <maxcell_> on ubuntu driver manager it only has 390, thats why im asking
[06:33] <maxcell_> idk if its ok to install
[06:33] <maxcell_> or if it is possible
[06:42] <chiefjustice_> i heard ubuntu dev selling ubuntu to microsofts ?
[06:43] <jas> heard reports of cows flying...
[06:44] <jas> landing and shitting out gold
[06:50] <lotus|NUC> !language | jas
[06:50] <lotus|NUC> !discuss | chiefjustice_
[06:50] <jas> lotus|NUC grow a pair...no need to respond
[06:51] <jas> fuckin snowflake
[06:54] <Koopz> <3 reminds me of the good old days where CoCs weren't a thing
[06:55] <jas> ^^
[06:55] <jas> indeed
[06:56] <lotus|NUC> feel free to discuss at #ubuntu-ops jas Koopz
[06:56] <jas> feel free to use ignore
[06:57] <lotus|NUC> jas Koopz this channel is readed and supported worldwide for all kinds of users, so polite volunteering is needed here
[06:57] <TimeDoctor> listen to lotus|NUC
[06:58] <abhigenie92> hi
[06:58] <mojtaba> Hello, I have some directories which have space in their names, I want to use for loop to process them. I have for I in `ls`; do something; done. But it says the name did not find.
[06:59] <mojtaba> Do you know what should I do?
[06:59] <mojtaba> To be specific I want to zip each of them and specify a password.
[06:59] <TimeDoctor> mojtaba: you need quotes
[06:59] <TimeDoctor> eg for i in *.zip; do unzip -qo "$i"; done
[07:00] <mojtaba> TimeDoctor: I have done that, the command is: for i in `ls`;do zip --password pass "$i".zip "$i";done
[07:00] <mojtaba> TimeDoctor: I want to zip, not unzip.
[07:00] <TimeDoctor> yes I'm just giving an example from one of my one-liners
[07:01] <chiefjustice_> who is selling ubuntu to microsoft ?
[07:01] <TimeDoctor> nobody
[07:01] <mojtaba> TimeDoctor: Do you know what could be wrong in my command? for i in `ls`;do zip --password pass "$i".zip "$i";done
[07:01] <TimeDoctor> mojtaba: I'm sorry, I'm not sure
[07:02] <TimeDoctor> chiefjustice_: you can read news about ubuntu here https://blog.ubuntu.com
[07:10] <lifeisabee7> hi
[07:10] <chiefjustice_> oh i heard they did signed some paper with microsoft with 180000MIllion $s deal
[07:11] <mwsb> chiefjustice_: Please don't
[07:13] <Koopz> 180000 MIllion $? that's alot of money
[07:14] <chiefjustice_> yea can i get a share ?
[07:14] <TimeDoctor> this channel is for support, not trolling baloney
[07:15] <TimeDoctor> nice
[07:17] <gart2> Hello all.. I'm in a nasty pickle.. I can't unlock my laptops luks boot drive, I know to ∞% I have the right pass.. what can I do?
[07:17] <dcypher> Any SSH Tunnel gurus here
[07:20] <lotus|NUC> dcypher: check #openssh mate
[07:20] <dcypher> thanks
[07:21] <gart2> This is what I'm seeing as far as errors https://imgur.com/a/4ka11e5 and no, my password is longer than that, I was hitting let's to figure out how to switch out of GUI mode
[07:22] <gart2> Keys*
[07:30] <lifeisabee7> Hi, I have an issue with my GPD Pocket 2 and ubuntu. When the pocket go back from suspend or when I execute "xrandr --output edp1 --rotate right" the screen stay black. any ideas ?
[07:30] <hashrack> how can i set to the value of /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level to low permanently? everytime I restart my machine, it reverted back to auto
[07:31] <TimeDoctor> lifeisabee7: can you ssh in and run "dmesg" to see if there's an error
[07:31] <TimeDoctor> lifeisabee7: when the screen is black
[07:32] <lifeisabee7> Ok I'll try.
[07:32] <lifeisabee7> Thanks
[07:38] <patz0r> anyone know what the best FTP server for ubuntu is , that can handle a lot of load?
[07:38] <patz0r> currently using Crush FTP but not a big fan
[07:38] <lotus|NUC> patz0r: be carefull with ftp, its a security risk these days
[07:38] <lotus|NUC> patz0r: look for an alternate, more secure protocol like ssh
[07:39] <patz0r> @lotus|NUC, thanks for your advice, unfortunately we need to offer it as we are a backup provider - i use SFTP with let's encrypt for our crush machines but i'd rather something not java related :)
[07:43] <ducasse> patz0r: try out both proftpd and vsftpd, see if any of them suit your needs
[07:43] <destinydriven> Hey guys, I'm trying to upgrade from nginx 1.14.0 on ubuntu 16.04 to nginx 1.15.* but somehow when I run sudo apt-get update it's not showing any updates available.    I do have "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nginx/development/ubuntu xenial main" listed in my  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nginx-ubuntu-development-xenial.list file
[07:43] <patz0r> thanks @ducasse i'll check those two out
[07:44] <ducasse> patz0r: both are in the repos, so fully supported
[07:44] <patz0r> @ducasse, excellent, i've just started working at a new place using crush but I'm not a big fan so looking at other options
[07:51] <lifeisabee7> Re, I did a dmesg and here's the output : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6nfwdYGB6c/ . I see multiple time this :[  301.189691] [drm:intel_dp_start_link_train [i915]] *ERROR* [CONNECTOR:59:eDP-1] Link Training failed at link rate = 270000, lane count = 2
[07:51] <gart2> Ok, so I managed to get an initramfs busy box
[07:53] <Chouhartem> Hi, the link to download origami instructions for Xenial Xerus is down on this page: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2016/04/28/wallpaper-design-for-xenial-xerus-16-04
[07:53] <Chouhartem> Does anyone have it somewhere?
[08:01] <ducasse> Chouhartem: try archive.org?
[08:04] <destinydriven> I think my issue has something to do with passenger being installed with nginx.
[08:15] <gart2> Well.. I managed to figure out that my disk appears fine, but the luks password is... Not working at all
[08:34] <Furai> Hey, is there a way to restore apt sources list for ubuntu to it's default state/
[08:34] <Furai> ?
[08:34] <Chouhartem> ducasse, « Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived. »
[08:38] <Chouhartem> :(
[08:38] <coconut> Furai: did you make a backup?
[08:39] <Furai> Nah, anyway, I'll just use the repogen site.
[08:40] <Chouhartem> yes, I think it's the most straihgtforward solution
[08:46] <patz0r> anyone on ubuntu 18.04 having issues with the service systemd-timedated ?
[08:46] <patz0r> I can't get it to auto start/enable after a reboot
[08:47] <patz0r> systemd-timesyncd is fine
[08:51] <patz0r> I actually think the problem is that systemd-timedated starts successfully then stops within about 10 seconds
[09:11] <patz0r> found the answer to my own question :D
[09:11] <patz0r> it's supposed to stop if it's not being used
[09:40] <AaronA> Does anybody know if Webmin works with 18.04?
[09:47] <Ben64> !webmin | AaronA
[09:49] <AaronA> Cheers ben.
[09:49] <AaronA> I don't suppose, there are any alternatives available?
[09:49] <lotus|NUC> whats your end goal AaronA
[09:50] <nabcore> Does anyone know when OpenJDK 11 GA will replace 10.0.2 in the package openjdk-11-jre-headless ?
[09:50] <lotus|NUC> !java | nabcore can this help mate?
[09:52] <AaronA> Hi Lotus|NUC, I am a novice at Linux, I was advised it's a good tool for a novice like myself, instead of going down the route of adding a GUI to a ubuntu server alot of my friends have frowned up on. :)
[09:52] <nabcore> lotus: thank you for the link; however, that documentation seems a little out of date.
[09:53] <AaronA> I am building a linux server for a visitor management system at one of our sites.
[09:53] <cim209> AaronA, try https://runcloud.io
[09:53] <cim209> it supports 18.04
[09:54] <cim209> another one is centminmod but that's for CentOS
[09:54] <AaronA> Cheers Cim209, I'll give it a go.
[10:01] <ducasse> AaronA: there is also cockpit. i haven't used it, though.
[10:03] <Rembo> hello everyone, i want ps to show process sorted by CPU
[10:05] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Rembo to show the top 5 can use this ps aux | sort -nrk 3,3 | head -n 5
[10:05] <MrCrackPotBuilde> watch "ps aux | sort -nrk 3,3 | head -n 5"
[10:06] <MrCrackPotBuilde> to change how many change the 5 to another number
[10:07] <blackflow> Rembo: --sort=pcpu
[10:24] <AaronA> Hi Ducasse from what I have read it's available on the latest version, but I am unable to locate the package for one reason or another.
[10:25] <AaronA> "E: Unable to locate package cockpit" seems to be the common error i receive when trying to install any packages, do I need to add a new repo?
[10:33] <ducasse> AaronA: 'sudo apt-add-repository universe'
[10:33] <AaronA> ah great help, I was just looking through AUR wiki page, that way was rather lengthy.
[10:34] <ducasse> AaronA: after that, just do 'sudo apt update', and the package should be available
[10:35] <AaronA> I'm getting errors for unmet dependancies.
[10:35] <AaronA> dependencies*
[10:36] <ducasse> AaronA: can you pastebin them?
[10:36] <AaronA> https://pastebin.com/DQ62Dhsu
[10:37] <AaronA> This is a brand new ubuntu server 18.04 setup.
[10:37] <ducasse> AaronA: try 'sudo apt install -f'
[10:38] <AaronA> ducasse: may i ask what "-f" does?
[10:38] <ducasse> AaronA: 'fix broken packages'
[10:38] <AaronA> Great.
[10:38] <AaronA> Ducasse: seems to have done the trick, installing cockpit.
[10:40] <ducasse> AaronA: there was a bug in the 18.04 server installer, it only enabled the 'main' repo. you might want to add the others, especially 'updates' and 'security'. maybe 'multiverse' too.
[10:41] <ducasse> !repository | AaronA
[10:43] <AaronA> Ducasse: Thank you very much, I'll look in to this now.
[10:43] <ducasse> AaronA: np
[10:44] <AaronA> Duccase: All this because one of our departments doesn't want to dip in to funds to purchase a new visitor management system & want me to take over support of an older & outdated one.
[10:44] <AaronA> Do enjoy a new learning curve.
[10:44] <sub526> .
[10:44] <sub526> Hi All, during "sudo apt-get install test_pkg", I'm getting the error "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/test_pkg_1-1_amd64.deb (--unpack)" and "trying to overwrite '/usr/sbin/w1_test', which is also in package test_pkg2. Any idea, how to overcome this error?
[10:47] <enzotib> sub526: #ubuntu-devel
[10:55] <nikolam> Hi. I would like to boot installation ubuntu image form Flash drive, but from the forst partition of the Flash drive, instead of using whole flash drive, just to boot and install ubuntu
[10:56] <nikolam> I dd'ed .ISO image to 2GB first partition on USB drive and would like to ensure it can boot and then install Ubuntu from it (while retaining data on another USB partition)
[10:56] <nikolam> so question is , installing GRUB loader on USB, so it can chainload and boot ISO image from first partition on USB.
[11:00] <nikolam> when dd'ing (x)Ubuntu ISO to the USB drive, I always get read-only partition/drive and that's the problem for me
[11:01] <nikolam> would like to add more data to the flash drive, instead of holding just ubuntu installation
[11:04] <geirha> then use startup disk creator instead of dd
[11:04] <lotus|NUC> nikolam: try multisystem, its a tool that let you drag n drop multiple iso's on your stick
[11:05] <nikolam> geirha, I used startup disk creator form ubuntu and got 16GB flash holding 1.4Gb bootable ISO, read only.
[11:06] <geirha> odd, works for me
[11:09] <geirha> though mine was pre-formatted with FAT32 iirc. It just wrote the files on that filesystem, and I can use the remaining space as I please
[11:10] <fub> Hi. Using Ubuntu18 in a laptop which is in a docking station. This is then connected over HDMI to a display which is connected to my audio boxes.
[11:10] <fub> WHen playing sound over HDMI, I get a slight delay until it starts playing. Then when I pause the audio and try to resume it some minutes later, I cant hear anything.
[11:11] <fub> I need to set the volume output to "analog" then and then again to "hdmi" to get output again.
[11:11] <fub> Why is this so buggy and how can I fix this?
[11:14] <nikolam> geirha, flash drive also needs to be bootable, e.g. have GRUb in MBR. Have you added it after copying the files?
[11:16] <nikolam> lotus|NUC, that tool seems like installing many things from 'multiverse'
[11:16] <geirha> no, startup disk creator did that
[11:17] <nikolam> Startup disk creator can select only full drive here, and not partition or something and then creates read only drive with ISO on itself (with xubutu LTS image)
[11:30] <howarth> Any nvidia driver experts around?
[11:31] <howarth> I am seeing a black screen after upgrading a MacPro 3,1 to a GTX680 card and then installing either the nvidia-390 or nvidia-396 drivers with 'sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'
[11:31] <howarth> Googling the issue indicates that it is a common enough  problem
[11:32] <nikolam> howarth, I first go to nvidia site and check what is latest driver supported for a card. then I install nvidia driver package from Ubuntu repo, with version for the card, with synaptic
[11:32] <howarth> I assume that the issue is something related to improper blacklisting of the nouveau drivers
[11:32] <TJ-> howarth: the problems you've found reported relate to it being on a Mac, or the nvidia GPU/driver itself?
[11:33] <nikolam> you can check what you have installed from synaptic
[11:33] <howarth> I get the ubuntu splash screen and progress bar
[11:33] <howarth> The nouveau drivers work fine
[11:33] <TJ-> howarth: have you tried booting to text console not GUI, then testing from there?
[11:34] <TJ-> howarth: also, do you have SSH access from another PC to do diagnosis in-place when it fails?
[11:34] <howarth> I can try the remote ssh approach
[11:35] <TJ-> howarth: that would be helpful since you can capture/share logs
[11:35] <nikolam> or ssh -X and run sudo synaptic
[11:36] <TJ-> howarth: to check if you have the recommended drivers installed use "ubuntu-drivers list"
[11:38] <howarth> The machine is at home so I will have to look again after work
[11:39] <howarth> Currently I have been browsing the files on the System76 workstation that I use with a GeForce GTX 1050 at work
[11:39] <howarth> There are two blacklist files on that
[11:39] <TJ-> howarth: first thing I'd check is the kernel log via "dmesg" to see if there is a kernel driver failure. If you see the NVRM messages look OK, then check the Xorg.0.log (in /var/log/ usually)
[11:40] <TJ-> howarth: it's possible a kernel upgrade occurred and the nvidia driver failed to build against it - that is easily testable by choosing an older kernel version at the GRUB boot menu, via its "Advanced" sub-menu
[11:41] <TheWild> hello
[11:41] <TJ-> .me waves to TheWild
[11:41] <TheWild> TJ-: thanks for the reference. I'm not yet completely sure the camera is damaged or the connection.
[11:42] <TJ-> TheWild: well, from everything you've reported so far the camera is either missing, disconnected, or dead :)
[11:42] <TJ-> TheWild: if it were still attached to the USB then we'd at least see a failed USB device probe in the kernel log
[11:43] <nikolam> howarth, Ubuntu LTS nvidia-driver-390 seems to have 390.48 driver and on Nvidi site there are up to 390.87 and 396.18 for Beta driver
[11:45] <TheWild> In the device manager I still had (warinings) Broadcom USH, Broadcom USH with swipe something, one device I don't remember right now and one unknown device (I googled the ID and points out it's just a free fall sensor). Maybe installing drivers for the rest of devices and those seemingly unrelated to camera might fix it.
[11:46] <TheWild> Dunno. If the camera is broken then for now I either leave it or send the laptop to the service. It still isn't a full year.
[11:47] <TJ-> TheWild: sounds like a good idea - I saw nothing in the examples from other E6540 linux reports to indicate anything special is needed - the camera is ddirectly connected to the internal USB hub
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:48] <TJ-> TheWild: On USB, devices do not need drivers in order to appear. They show up complete with all their function descriptions regardless of a driver
[11:49] <TJ-> TheWild: and that camera is UVC (USB Video Class) so it will be operated by the kernel's generic UVC driver, it doesn't need a 'special' driver
[11:53] <howarth> in /etc/modprobe.d I have nvidia-384_hybrid.conf and nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf
[11:53] <howarth> nvidia-384_hybrid.conf appears to belong to the nvidia-384 package
[11:54] <howarth> nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf doesn't seem to belong to any package
[11:55] <howarth> both have a lines with 'blacklist nouveau', 'blacklist lbm-nouveau', 'alias nouveau off' and 'alias lbm-nouveau off'
[11:55] <TJ-> howarth: nvidia-graphics-drivers probably comes from the PPA graphics-drivers
[11:56] <howarth> This is on 16.04 with a System76 built machine
[11:56] <TJ-> howarth: to discern which packages are currently installed use "apt list --installed nvidia*"
[11:57] <howarth> system76-driver-nvidia/xenial,xenial,now 16.04.55+1527714667+16.04~3d614f3 all [installed]
[11:58] <TJ-> howarth: to determine what files the package installs do "dpkg -L system76-driver-nvidia"
[11:59] <TJ-> howarth: changes in /etc/modprobe.d/ are likely written by a package post-install (postinst) script which won't show up in the package list.
[11:59] <howarth> looks like System76 rolls their own nvidia packaging
[11:59] <howarth> https://launchpad.net/~system76-dev/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+packages
[12:00] <TJ-> howarth: to check whether the kernel module is built, do "dkms status" if it is using DKMS - should show "installed" against the current kernel version in use.
[12:01] <howarth> okay, I'll check that tonight. Although I am hoping this is just a blacklisting issue
[12:04] <TJ-> howarth: the system76 packaging doesn't make it obvious whether they're using DKMS or not, so you may have to dig some more :)
[12:04] <howarth> I've seen references to issues with the lightdm not working under the nvidia drive if the nouveau drivers don't get properly blacklisted
[12:04] <howarth> https://askubuntu.com/questions/760374/ubuntu-16-04-nvidia-driver-blank-screen
[12:07] <TJ-> the kernel log (dmesg or /var/log/kern.log) will reveal that kind of issue
[12:23] <qwebirc39106> hey alk
[12:24] <qwebirc39106> i feel very silly, but i cannot seem to get 18.04 to accept index.php as the default directory index on an apache vhost
[12:25] <blackflow> patience is virtue.
[12:56] <golum> Hello all, how to stop interfaces with netpan ? It only see apply option
[12:57] <golum> Any idea ?
[12:57] <ogra> netplan does not manage interfaces, it only gives a standardized way to configure them
[12:57] <blackflow> golum: netplan is just configuration abstraction. you stop it using whatever backend netplan is confiugred to use
[12:59] <golum> @blackflow, thanks ! on ubuntu 18.04 what should i use to stop network ? init interfaces script or systemd ?
[13:00] <blackflow> golum: whatever netplan is confiugred to use as backend. systemd-networkd or NetworkManager.
[13:00] <golum> will netpan used on other distrib than ubuntu . is debian concerned ?
[13:00] <blackflow> golum: probably not.
[13:03] <golum> do you know why ubuntu (canonical made this choice of netpan ? On do not know that on any other distrib !
[13:03] <golum> * i do not *
[13:04] <blackflow> golum: because someone in position to do such changes, thinks it's necessary.
[13:12] <warmdiode> hallo ich stehe vor einem merkwürdigen problem mit meinen monitoren. hat evtl jemand zeit mir zu helfen? bitte
[13:12] <coconut> !de
[13:13] <warmdiode> thx ubottu :)
[13:16] <sonne> hi! what would be the best place to report what i think is a bad UX behaviour of linux?
[13:16] <sonne> (at least i'm 90% it's linux rather than userspace - i'm asking here because i'm using ubuntu)
[13:17] <lotus|NUC> sonne: here we focus on ubuntu support mate
[13:17] <lotus|NUC> sonne: did you find a bug in ubuntu?
[13:17] <sonne> lotus|NUC: that's why i'm asking for directions rather than help on my issue :P
[13:17] <sonne> i haven't found any existing bugs, no
[13:18] <lotus|NUC> sonne: lets begin from the start, wich distro are you using?
[13:18] <sonne> lotus|NUC: 18.10 beta, but had the same problem in bionic
[13:18] <lotus|NUC> ah then your support channel would be #ubuntu+1 sonne
[13:18] <sonne> but it's not a problem that is specific to the beta..
[13:19] <lotus|NUC> sonne: explain a bit of your problem/wish please?
[13:19] <sonne> sure thing
[13:20] <sonne> i have an mmo mouse, which reports as both a keyboard and a mouse. linux seems to believe it is also a joystick. this brings all sorts of confusion to the games i play, as what they belive is player 1 is actually nothing real.
[13:21] <sonne> i wish i could flip some switch to tell linux/udev "that's not a joystick buddy"
[13:22] <lotus|NUC> sonne: when you say 'linux' you mean you experience this on 18.10?
[13:22] <sonne> i tried all sorts of trickery - rm/chmod'ing /dev/input/js0, attempting to set variables on udev, nothing worked... i looked at the source code of the driver, but there is nothing that hints at it being a joystick
[13:22] <sonne> i experienced this in the LTS and still experience it in 18.10, yes
[13:25] <lotus|NUC> sonne: wel as you are on 18.10 right now, i suggest using #ubuntu+1 and consider a new !bug for your issue mentioning its about both 18.04 and 18.10
[13:25] <sonne> lotus|NUC: alright, thanks :)
[13:26] <lotus|NUC> sonne: before you place the bug, it might be worth mentioning your hardware brand and details in #ubuntu+1
[13:26] <sonne> lotus|NUC: why is that?
[13:27] <lotus|NUC> sonne: the more details you share to channel/volunteers the more chance of your issue being known/solved
[13:27] <sonne> lotus|NUC: ok. i'll do that when i'm home though, so i have the hardware handy for any possible inquiry.
[13:28] <lotus|NUC> great sonne
[14:58] <AaronA> is it me or has Ubuntu taken UK out of EU already hahaha!
[14:58] <AaronA> I tried to change tzdata but UK isnt listed.
[15:00] <AaronA> nevermind they put it under london.
[15:07] <Shabbysheik> Brexbuntu
[15:21] <ylel9> hello
[15:48] <Internet-guy> hey there i need a little of support
[15:49] <Internet-guy> https://pastebin.com/rjSq3v7J
[15:49] <Internet-guy> i am unable to use USBMODEM
[15:50] <Internet-guy> https://www.amazon.in/Micromax-MMX210G-Data-Card-White/dp/B00MF91LZ2 this is my modem
[15:50] <Internet-guy> i am on ubuntu 18.0
[15:51] <Internet-guy> https://ibb.co/izyvDp this is how it's running
[15:51] <Donatas> Anyone know whats the situation with intel hd 3000 family drivers and eye strain issues? Any known workable solutions ?
[15:51] <Internet-guy> i tried all the steps on "README.txt" present on the modem
[15:54] <hans109h> Any suggestions for why a kernel log would contain the lines "sda:" and "sdf: sdf1" every 15 minutes?
[15:56] <TJ-> hans109h: those look like the prefix when the kernel does a partprobe of a device
[15:56] <TJ-> hans109h: maybe some tool is triggering it - are you inserting/removing devices, or virtual machine images, loopback devices?
[15:57] <hans109h> they are both physical hard disks
[15:58] <hans109h> They both get mounted during boot
[15:58] <TJ-> hans109h: best to show us an example, including the kernel messages surrounding these
[15:59] <hans109h> TJ-, that's all there is.  It can go a long time with only those two lines being written to kern.log
[16:01] <TJ-> hans109h: any clues in other log files at the same timestamp?
[16:01] <hans109h> TJ-, you're onto something with the partprobe, as when I run that manually those are the first two lines logged.  Hmmmm
[16:04] <TJ-> hans109h: cron job possibly? syslog or auth.log might give clues
[16:08] <gostforest> hello
[16:09] <gostforest> ok so, i installed a new browser right? its the brave browser, and when i open t all it gives me is a black screen
[16:09] <gostforest> like it turns off the moniter
[16:10] <d1rewolf> hi guys. Trying to install apc on ubuntu 18.04.1, but the package php-apcu seems to be missing from the apt repos. has it been deprecated or something?
[16:10] <d1rewolf> ut seems like it's supposed to be included: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/php-apcu
[16:11] <TJ-> !info php-apcu | d1rewolf
[16:11] <TJ-> d1rewolf: does the system have the "universe" component enabled for apt?
[16:11] <d1rewolf> TJ-: indeed it doesn't. thanks
[16:12] <d1rewolf> should've caught that from the page
[16:14] <gostforest> hello?
[16:16] <gostforest> Also, when i try to open chrome, it crashes the computer
[16:17] <kumool> don't use chrome
[16:17] <tripelb> why dont chrome
[16:17] <kumool> its a hog
[16:17] <tripelb> what then?
[16:17] <gostforest> ok
[16:18] <kumool> firefox
[16:18] <tripelb> I needed to use google voice. it works on firefox. On chrome it is silent.
[16:18] <blackflow> gostforest: sounds like gpu issues
[16:18] <TJ-> ^^^
[16:18] <golum> Hi how could i display a process with -f (child) only for one PID ?
[16:18] <gostforest> i dont really like firefox because it doesnt lsupport flash
[16:18] <UserUS> gostforest, I thought it was built in?
[16:18] <TJ-> gostforest: that is a GOOD reason to use Firefox""
[16:19] <gostforest> i know
[16:19] <kumool> gostforest, what are you even using flash for in 2018?
[16:19] <gostforest> games?
[16:19] <tripelb> meanwhile my question. Windows sees LOTS of hotspots, ubuntu 18.04 only mine. I would guess I need a new driver. How do I do that?
[16:19] <blackflow> gostforest: would you know if those browsers installed as snaps or apt packages?
[16:20] <kumool> gostforest, you can use flash with firefox btw, but flash is just terrible
[16:20] <gostforest> apologize if im slow, i am new to linux, but i think chrome was a snap
[16:20] <gostforest> i downloaded it from their website
[16:20] <TJ-> tripelb: which band is your AP in? 802.11b/g (2.4GHz) or 802.11a (5.xGHz) ?
[16:21] <kumool> gostforest, if it was a snap, uninstall and get chromium { apt install chromium-browser }
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> tripelb: Also, are you connected wirelessly when you check for other wifi?
[16:21] <blackflow> gostforest: it wasn't a snap if you downloaded it. Do you know what you downloaded exactly? iirc it's supposed to install an apt source and then you install chrome as a regular package
[16:21] <kumool> gostforest, i had the same problem with spotify, snaps are terrible it seems
[16:22] <blackflow> it's possible you just needed to enable an interface for the snap
[16:22] <gostforest> ok
[16:22] <blackflow> but downloading from google isn't snap
[16:23] <gostforest> but i have ubuntu installed as a second os cuz windows is in a rly bad state
[16:23] <gostforest> and chrome crashed the other os
[16:23] <blackflow> what!
[16:23] <gostforest> everything else is fine tho
[16:23] <gostforest> its literally only chrome thats doing it
[16:24] <blackflow> gostforest: can you pastebin the output of     dpkg -l | grep google   ?
[16:24] <kumool> well, chrome is a RAM hog, did you try memtest?
[16:24] <blackflow> !pastebin
[16:25] <gostforest> im very new to ubuntu
[16:25] <gostforest> and i uninstalled it
[16:25] <gostforest> but ill rensinstall and do that
[16:25] <blackflow> ...
[16:25] <blackflow> so why are you here asking about things you can't even try if you get help for?
[16:26] <kumool> relax blackflow
[16:26] <blackflow> or did I misunderstand you and uninstalled chrome?
[16:26] <blackflow> *and you
[16:26] <gostforest> i uninstalled chrome because it kept crashing my pc
[16:26] <blackflow> gostforest: but that other browser did too?
[16:26] <kumool> blackflow, chrome crashed his PC while he was in Windows, so he installed ubuntu and chrome crashes it on linux also
[16:26] <gostforest> no
[16:27] <gostforest> thanks kumool
[16:27] <blackflow> gostforest:    "18:09 < gostforest> ok so, i installed a new browser right? its the brave browser, and when i open t all it gives me is a black screen"
[16:27] <lolcat-007> hello, can i connect an iphone with kubuntu kde connect
[16:27] <lolcat-007> ?
[16:27] <blackflow> gostforest: so what did you mean by that?
[16:27] <kumool> gostforest, ah, and don't use weird browsers
[16:27] <gostforest> the other browser didnt crash like chrome does, my pc power light is on but i have to hard power off in order to reboot
[16:28] <kumool> gostforest, so it froze the computer
[16:28] <lotus|NUC> !iphone | lolcat-007
[16:28] <blackflow> gostforest: okay, so that sounds like gpu issues, esp. with chrome trying to use gpu. Can you try Firefox?
[16:28] <gostforest> firefox is perf fine
[16:28] <kumool> gostforest, did it freeze or did it crash?
[16:28] <gostforest> neither
[16:28] <gostforest> it turned my screen off
[16:28] <blackflow> gostforest: would you know if hardware accelleration is enabled for firefox?
[16:28] <gostforest> i can check
[16:28] <kumool> so blackflow is right
[16:29] <gostforest> where would i find hardware excelleration
[16:30] <blackflow> gostforest: it's in about:config, lemme check which config entry is it
[16:30] <kumool> just let him find it
[16:30] <blackflow> gostforest: under about:config     layers.acceleration.disabled     should be false
[16:30] <lotus|NUC> kumool: dont tell others what to do please
[16:31] <blackflow> gostforest: that means hw acceleration is enabled and it's likely using the gpu
[16:31] <gostforest> its fine
[16:32] <gostforest> its false yeah
[16:32] <blackflow> gostforest: which gpu is it, intel?
[16:32] <gostforest> i think yeah
[16:32] <gostforest> its intel
[16:33] <kumool> lotus|NUC, neither should you
[16:33] <lotus|NUC> kumool: let the volunteers do their jobs
[16:33] <kumool> lotus|NUC, oh they get paid?
[16:33] <blackflow> gostforest: alrighty, now the hard part, finding in the logs if there's any trace of problems that crashed the pc
[16:34] <lotus|NUC> kumool: feel free to discuss it at #ubuntu-discuss
[16:34] <gostforest> would the logs still be there once i uninstalled it
[16:34] <blackflow> gostforest: yes, the logs are system logs. what did you say which ubuntu is this?
[16:34] <gostforest> im not sure
[16:35] <kumool> lotus|NUC, nah
[16:35] <blackflow> gostforest: when you run  lsb_release -r   in terminal, what does it say? the number
[16:37] <blackhaze> good morning
[16:37] <blackhaze> everyone
[16:37] <blackflow> let the tabfail hilarity ensue! :)
[16:37] <EoflaOE> blackhaze: Good morning, do you have Ubuntu question to ask so we can help?
[16:38] <blackhaze> EoflaOE: I need some help with audio devices When I try to record a video a rare sound appears in the backglround
[16:39] <blackhaze> I tried to fix my alsamixer and nothing happenned
[16:39] <gostforest> sorry
[16:40] <gostforest> pc just froze from too many programs
[16:40] <gostforest> where are the system logs?
[16:40] <blackflow> no, it can't freeze from too many programs, something else must be going on there.
[16:40] <gostforest> well
[16:41] <gostforest> i still heard sound
[16:41] <gostforest> but i couldnt tap anything
[16:41] <EoflaOE> blackhaze: Do you mean that your voice is not recorded properly?
[16:41] <blackflow> right. I suspect that's all part of the same issue - the gpu issue.
[16:41] <gostforest> WAIT
[16:41] <gostforest> one of the reasons i need another browser is touch screen accesible
[16:41] <gostforest> firefox is not one of them
[16:42] <gostforest> anyway, where are the system log files stored cause i will check them
[16:43] <blackflow> gostforest: open the terminal program and for starters, type      lsb_release -r              and hit enter. what's the release version it displays?
[16:43] <EoflaOE> blackhaze: Also, which program did you use while recording video?
[16:43] <gostforest> 18.4
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> gostforest: that's not the value that was displayed. What was printed in the terminal?
[16:45] <blackflow> gostforest: nice. now, locating that chrome problem in the logs will be rather tricky. in 18.04, the journal is persistent, so it'd help a lot if you can pinpoint the time of last crash down to a minute, and we select that period plus a few minutes on each side, from the logs.
[16:45] <gostforest> 18.04
[16:45] <gostforest> i can induce a crash if yall want
[16:45] <gostforest> wait
[16:46] <gostforest> one thing i remember is that it kept asking me for the kering. i fixed that, but im not sure if it will keep crashing
[16:46] <gostforest> like i disabled automatic login
[16:47] <gostforest> when i denied all the passwords it immediatly crashed
[16:47] <blackflow> gostforest: yeah you can do it again, and after reboot you can do something like this, in that terminal program:     journalctl -b -1 -n 200        that will display last 200 entries of the _previous_ boot.   assuming this crash causes immediate reboot
[16:47] <gostforest> yep, no warning
[16:47] <gostforest> just a pop and then its of
[16:47] <gostforest> off
[16:47] <blackhaze> EoflaOE: I am using recordmydeskop, kazam && cheese
[16:49] <blackflow> gostforest: although I'm already suspecting the gpu, it's either too old or too new (heh, yeah). too old and chrome wants something unsupported by the opengl level, or too new and the driver is buggy.
[16:49] <blackflow> but let's not get ahead and let's see what the logs say.
[16:49] <EoflaOE> blackhaze: Looking...
[16:50] <gostforest> chrome didnt crash before
[16:50] <EoflaOE> blackhaze: In the RecordMyDesktop, go to Advanced button, then select the Sound tab.
[16:50] <gostforest> it only started this within the past couple of months
[16:51] <gostforest> it computer has lasted over 3 yeaqrs i think
[16:51] <blackflow> gostforest: that's why it'd be best to trigger the problem again and see if the kernel logs anything
[16:54] <gostforest> its loaded up
[16:54] <gostforest> quickest way to get it to crash>
[16:54] <gostforest> ?
[16:55] <gostforest> wait nvm
[16:55] <gostforest> ill reopen and deny keyring
[16:56] <gostforest> unless that is what already what made the pc crash
[16:56] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: while you are playing try a tail -f /var/log/syslog to see whats going on
[16:56] <blackflow> gostforest: well if we knew what's triggering the crash, we wouldn't need the logs ;)
[16:56] <gostforest> nvm id need to reboot
[16:57] <gostforest> but it immediatly shuts off when i deny keyring
[16:59] <gostforest> first thing i see when tail starts
[16:59] <gostforest> errors everywhere
[17:00] <EoflaOE> hi BLuesKaj.
[17:00] <blackflow> gostforest: it'd be nice if you could pastebin some :)
[17:00] <blackflow> !pastebin | gostforest
[17:01] <BluesKaj> hi EoflaOE
[17:01] <blackflow> lotus|NUC: btw, journalctl has -f too ;)
[17:03] <gostforest> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qz7mpw7RxV/
[17:04] <miceiken> Hello guys. I have an ASUS Zenbook (quite bad specs) running Ubuntu Desktop 18.04. It tends to freeze up (mouse movements and keydowns delayed by 5-30 seconds, if responsive at all). I assume that this is due to running out of resources, but I am barely doing any intensive work. Is there anything I can do to amend this?
[17:04] <miceiken> Just now I had to do a hard reboot. Was running Thunderbird in the background, VSCode with a single text file of about 10 lines, Firefox with 10 tabs and Spotify playing music.
[17:05] <miceiken> I ran Windows 10 before and I never had any issues running the same apps simultaneously.
[17:05] <gostforest> huh
[17:05] <gostforest> theres a ubuntu netbook os
[17:05] <gostforest> that might make a difference
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> miceiken: All of those items take a huge amount of RAM resources. Did configure your machine to run without a swap file/partition?
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> gostforest: No
[17:06] <miceiken> Not that I know of, if it was the default I didn't change it.
[17:06] <gostforest> ok
[17:06] <llmatt556> pragmaticenigma: With no swap, wouldn't it have just crashed once it ran out of ram?
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> llmatt556: not necessarily
[17:07] <miceiken> Sometimes it will recover however, and seemingly be entirely fine, without having closed any applications, which is why I can't help to think there's something "wrong"
[17:08] <miceiken> I've had it completely locked up for 5+ minutes, only to fully recover and have no noticeable delay at all
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> miceiken: without the actual system specs, I couldn't start to troubleshoot. Please post them?
[17:09] <miceiken> is there any command I can run to get everything you need?
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> miceiken: no
[17:09] <blackflow> gostforest: the log can be a scary place with stuff, especially gnome, logging end-of-the-world sounding stuff.... :)   the important bits are moments before crash-reboot.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> the gpu and driver is a good start
[17:11] <pragmaticenigma> miceiken: If you can find the exact spec online, you can post a link. If not, CPU, Amount of installed RAM, GPU are good places to start
[17:11] <gostforest> wait
[17:11] <llmatt556> There should be a system info tab in settings that will have some basic information
[17:11] <gostforest> she/he listed themodel of laptop she/he had
[17:11] <gostforest> that should have the spes
[17:11] <pragmaticenigma> llmatt556: that is what is detected, and it isn't always accurate
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> gostforest: please focus on your issue and those that are helping you
[17:12] <llmatt556> gostforest: Zenbook is a series. There are a lot of different zenbooks
[17:12] <miceiken> Intel i3, 4GB ram, no dedicated GPU - just Intel HD Graphics
[17:13] <miceiken> 120GB ssd
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> miceiken: And you did only a default installation. as in, just let the install choose it's defaults, including partitioning of the harddrive?
[17:13] <miceiken> yep
[17:15] <miceiken> Intel m3-6Y30 is the CPU
[17:15] <llmatt556> miceiken: Can you run either `sudo parted -l` or open gparted and verify if there is a swap partition? I've had the default install not create a swap partition before
[17:15] <TJ-> miceiken: can you show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> llmatt556: Ubuntu 18.04 uses as swap file by deafult
[17:16] <TJ-> llmatt556: better command is "cat /proc/swaps" since it shows active swap
[17:17] <miceiken> llmatt556: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sQm6DqM8rM/
[17:18] <miceiken> pragmaticenigma: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TmKqkgtZxt/
[17:19] <pragmaticenigma> miceiken: well... I think we found part of the problem
[17:19] <TJ-> miceiken: lock-ups look to be due to snaps being denied operations by apparmor
[17:19] <TJ-> miceiken: judging by the timestamp gaps
[17:19] <miceiken> how can I solve that?
[17:19] <miceiken> I'm not getting any prompts
[17:19] <TJ-> miceiken: looks like you're using snaps in place of perfectly good tools that are in the archive
[17:20] <miceiken> I wasn't aware they were "bad"
[17:20] <llmatt556> I thought snaps were supposed to make life easier lol
[17:20] <TJ-> miceiken: I see apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.htop.htop"  and apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.gnome-system-monitor.gnome-system-monitor"
[17:21] <TJ-> snaps are OK if they don't need to interact with the rest of the system, but system-monitoring isn't a good use case in my opinion
[17:21] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: I thought with 18.04, the system monitor was installed as a snap by deafult
[17:21] <TJ-> miceiken: this may not be the cause of the freezes; but the timestamps seem to match what you described
[17:21] <miceiken> TJ-, when I ran htop and didn't have it installed, so it suggest snap install. System Monitor i just opened for the first time from clicking Super and starting it, so it must be installed from there
[17:21] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: really? if it is, then someone packaged it badly if it is hitting apparmor restrictions!
[17:22] <gostforest> so seemingly its not crashing anymore
[17:22] <lotus|NUC> TJ-: yes system monitor & calculator
[17:22] <gostforest> for me
[17:23] <llmatt556> I suppose you could try installing htop and system monitor as non-snap packages and see if that fixes the problem.
[17:23] <miceiken> but i havent been running those when i freeze
[17:23] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1039968/why-have-canonical-installed-core-gnome-apps-as-snaps-by-default
[17:23] <miceiken> i just ran them now to attempt to find out if anything was hogging
[17:23] <TJ-> miceiken: the first thing to do is see if you can stop htop and system-monitor from running, then see if you setill suffer the freezes
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: better resource: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[17:24] <gostforest> yeah guys it looks like nothing else is happening
[17:24] <arpanet69> heey guys
[17:24] <gostforest> hey
[17:24] <arpanet69> am looking for a securecrt terminal like for ubuntu lts
[17:25] <arpanet69> am managing allot of routers and switches etc and host file isnt an option anymoe
[17:25] <miceiken> okay so i have a few packages on snap that ive been using during the freezes, but it usually isnt on start up, can it hit apparmor while running too?
[17:25] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: thanks; so I stand by my point; whoever packaged those snaps didn't pay attention to the apparmor profiles
[17:26] <TJ-> miceiken: that's what the logs show, look at the timestamps
[17:26] <llmatt556> miceiken: Only thing I know to try is either kill tjose programs or reinstall as non-snap and see if the freezes stop.
[17:27] <miceiken> TJ-, yeah but i did a hard reboot and then came straight here, so i guess the dmesg doesnt show the previous case
[17:27] <miceiken> llmatt556, yeah i will see if i can make that work
[17:27] <TJ-> miceiken: e.g. at the end of the log, it shows denials about every 6 seconds. You reported freezes could be every 5 - 30 seconds, which could match
[17:27] <miceiken> okay, thanks for the help guys, at least now i know where to look
[17:27] <TJ-> miceiken: as I said, first thing to do is stop those snaps running and see if the problem continues to occur. There is nothing else in the (kernel) log to indicate any hardware issues, that's clear
[17:28] <miceiken> will do
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> miceiken: I've also seen others coming with random system freezes and logs filled with AppAmor denials. It's the most effective first place to start with for resolving the system freezes
[17:31] <miceiken> pragmaticenigma, thanks. i should have checked dmesg, but i am not used to troubleshooting
[17:33] <arpanet69> no one uses a securecrt linux like tool?
[17:36] <TJ-> arpanet69: your question makes no sense regarding hosts file; care to expand on the actual use-case you're addressing?
[17:37] <arpanet69> TJ-, well i use the host file to make shortcuts based on names. r1 = ip r2 = ip but the list gets to long and i start forgetting the names so am looking for a terminal that like securecrt can safe connections and organize them.
[17:38] <arpanet69> hope that makes sense
[17:38] <TJ-> arpanet69: oh, I never use hosts file; I use the SSH ~/.ssh/config file and create a Host section for each target
[17:38] <arpanet69> hmm kinda works the same way?
[17:40] <TJ-> arpanet69: I use hostnames since I have m-DNS but you can use IP addresses too. Here's an extract from my (much larger) .ssh/config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DtByDRhwFz/
[17:40] <arpanet69> like pac manager but thats not being updated anymore as i can see last package was from 2015
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> arpanet69: Maybe take a look at using something like dnsmasq as your DHCP server and DNS provider. It can be configured to auto register machines by their machine name to the local dns cache
[17:41] <arpanet69> TJ-, looks interesting but allot of work. am talking about 8500 devices i need to manage. i dont wanna add a txt file for evey new connection i make
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> arpanet69: I take it these are not on your local network then
[17:42] <arpanet69> when i connect to a device at the same time i want to safe it
[17:42] <arpanet69> noo theire not
[17:42] <arpanet69> :P
[17:42] <TJ-> arpanet69: with that number then you should have DNS configured included reverse lookups!
[17:44] <arpanet69> yes they have names like STR00204R001
[17:44] <arpanet69> but i dont wanna do ssh -l username str00204r001
[17:44] <arpanet69> i want to click :D
[17:44] <TJ-> arpanet69: I use remmina for such stuff, which as well as doing RDP/VNC supports SSH, and can integrate with .ssh/config if required
[17:45] <TJ-> arpanet69: that's if you want a GUI front-end
[17:45] <arpanet69> yes
[17:45] <arpanet69> will have a look in remmina cause we also manage local servers
[17:45] <arpanet69> thre rdp
[17:46] <TJ-> arpanet69: thinking off the top of my head, you could write a one-time script to write the required stanzas into ~/.ssh/config  then use remmina to connect with a click
[17:47] <arpanet69> hmmm i need to read upon this config file of yours for me thats new
[17:47] <TJ-> arpanet69: and of course remmina lets you create groups of hosts too, for logical organisation
[17:47] <arpanet69> yeah just downloaded it seems it has a tree structure that i like
[17:47] <TJ-> arpanet69: see "man ssh_config"
[17:47] <arpanet69> ahh thanks
[17:52] <TJ-> arpanet69: a little 'tip' about the config file, and the "IdentitiesOnly yes" option. If, like me, you create multiple SSH key-pairs, one per host (or logical group) then by default SSH when doing public key will offer every key you have which usually breaks after about 8 keys are offered (as well as wasting time!) - that option ensures only the key defined by 'IdentityFile <file>' is offered
[17:56] <arpanet69> TJ-, ohhh good one
[18:00] <farty_mcgee> Hello, I've installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer, but firefox persists in using Noto Sans instead of Arial for the default sans-serif font. How can I fix this?
[18:01] <ovrh> Hey everyone! How does overprovisioning of NVMe and regular SSDs work with Ubuntu/Linux_in_general? Do I just leave a % of space unallocated for overprovisioning for the SSD's controller to do whatever it wants as usual?
[18:01] <farty_mcgee> Firefox 62.0.3, KDE Neon 5.13 (aka Ubuntu 18.04)
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> farty_mcgee: Did you check the advanced settings for default font?
[18:06] <farty_mcgee> pragmaticenigma: yes.  I forced the default font setting in firefox to Arial.
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> farty_mcgee: you didn't answer my question
[18:06] <blackflow> farty_mcgee: default font != font mapping. you need to set up that "sans-serif" maps to Arial, and methinks that's not done by FF, but by local fontconfig
[18:08] <blackflow> farty_mcgee: quick googling finds this:  https://seasonofcode.com/posts/how-to-set-default-fonts-and-font-aliases-on-linux.html    I suppose you need what's listed under "Setting Default Fonts", and map "sans-serif" to a proper font.
[18:08] <myym> (myym) I can access my router from terminal with telnet , can i port forwd open ports from there?
[18:08] <lotus|NUC> ovrh: use the full ssd for ubuntu, leaving an empty partition will not perform much
[18:09] <farty_mcgee> blackflow: ah ok. I'll look into that
[18:09] <ovrh> lotus|NUC, No? How does that work?
[18:09] <blackflow> ovrh: what do you mean by "overprovisioning"? teh disk themselves have internally more space than what they report, for the purpose of wear leveling and badsector reallocations. did you mean that?
[18:11] <lotus|NUC> blackflow: i think he means those articles saying an ssd would speedup with half used/half empty partition
[18:11] <blackflow> lotus|NUC: that doesn't make much sense :) why would that ..... what articl...... I have to google that up :)
[18:11] <lotus|NUC> blackflow: the webs full of it :p
[18:13] <blackflow> oh that... I see.. yes what you said is correct. partitioning is just a few numbers in the GPT table, the disk itself has no idea if sector X is or isn't part of a partition, it only knows if it's in use or not.
[18:13] <ovrh> blackflow, It's the practice of leaving a given % of unallocated space on the disk (generally 10/15%) to basically increase the longevity of the disk. NAND cells degrade with time, and after a while stop working. The controller can stop using those broken sectors/cells and pick some from the overprovisioned space.
[18:13] <ovrh> lotus|NUC, No, it has nothing to do with speed
[18:14] <blackflow> ovrh: but you don't do anything manually for that, EXCEPT don't fill up the drive with data.
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> And the web is full of old information. most of the articles I found where from 2014 or older. ovrh SSDs have been steadily handling more of those features on their own. There is no reasont that the end user should attempt to better the components that are already in place. Just use the drive as is.
[18:14] <blackflow> that's about wear leveling having free pages to reallocate to
[18:15] <ovrh> blackflow, Under Windows at least, a few years ago you were supposed to leave unallocated space, so you have to actually do something with it. I belive it changed at some point and now not even Windows needs that anymore.
[18:15] <blackflow> so basically yes, if you don't fill it up to the brim, there will be free pages for wear leveling to shuffle around.
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> ovrh: Just as I said... that was a few years ago. SSD technology has changed dramatically in that time
[18:15] <blackflow> ovrh: you leave unallocated space so you impose a hard limit on yourself and make sure there will always be free pages to reallocate
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> ovrh: what was good practice yesterday, is not always good practice today
[18:16] <ovrh> pragmaticenigma, I imagine, that's why i was asking. I haven't had to deal with this in quite a while, and I figured my info could be outdated.
[18:16] <blackflow> but yeah I don't know if that makes any sense nowadays, with firmware doing it itself. disks have internall more space than what they report, for the purpose of wear leveling and bad sector reallocation.
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> ovrh: With the built in features of the drive, you're likely to have replaced that drive long before you have any performance or storage issues with the drive
[18:19] <ovrh> blackflow, I don't know either, hence the question. What I know for sure is that Windows didn't give you that capability up to a handful of years ago. So you had to physically make your partition, and leave a % of unallocated space at the end of the SSD for the controller.
[18:19] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: in general I agree, though today I saw a case which goes against that logic. a 2 year old samsung datacenter grade SSD with only 30TB of LBAs written, with dozens of bad/reallocated/uncorrectable sectors reported by SMART. And I regularly tell people they're nowadays safe with these things going into hundreds of TB written before kicking the bucket, usually linking this
[18:19] <blackflow> https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
[18:20] <blackflow> which is also my personal experience, but here, occasionally it seems bad apples will be encountered.
[18:20] <ovrh> pragmaticenigma, Well of course. Even though, I still have the first SSD I bought 4 or something years ago (850 EVO) and it's still working flawlessly
[18:21] <lotus|NUC> ovrh: lets continue this in #ubuntu-discuss plz
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: It really feels like that was a bad apple... Haven't seen/read the article, but the question I always have for these tests are "Did you just test one drive, or did they get several (same and different batches) before comign to those conclusions
[18:22] <llmatt556> Ueah I'm running an SSD I bough like 6 years ago and it works fine. I also use a few I got for free from work and friends that are 3-5 years old and all of them are also still good
[18:22] <llmatt556> Yeah* Bought* >.>
[18:22] <lotus|NUC> llmatt556: come to discuss too
[18:27] <gostforest> ok so
[18:27] <gostforest> the google crash just happened
[18:28] <gostforest> i botted up chrome, typed the pw in, and then i went to youtube
[18:28] <gostforest> booted, bnot botted
[18:28] <gostforest> i booted up chrome, put in the pw for keyring, and went to yourubt
[18:28] <gostforest> then it crashed
[18:29] <gostforest> i was able to play flash games tho, so its just youtube
[18:30] <amikrop> For example, in /usr/share/gtksourceview-3.0/styles/cobalt.xml what are the tags/settings that are refering to Python import statements?
[18:31] <Greyztar> did a release upgrade from 17 to 18 ,all worked fined except after i deleted snapshot of lxd container,container not starting,also seems that the do-release upgrade didnt install apparmor,tohugh idk why all containers still worked though,tried reinstall apparmor and now none boots any thoughts?
[18:32] <Greyztar> that is now they seem to start all exept the one with deleted snapshot,but cant use bash gets permission denied
[18:33] <farty_mcgee> So it looks like my problem isn't that 'sans-serif' isn't mapped to Arial. It's that Arial isn't accessible to firefox at all. Directly saying <p style="font-family: arial">This should be Arial</p> won't use Arial. Chrome doesn't have this problem, other apps appear to be able to use the font.
[18:33] <gostforest> ok so it crashed again
[18:34] <gostforest> frick
[18:34] <gostforest> my touch screen isnt working right
[18:35] <gostforest> my pc is an all in one touch screen
[18:36] <gostforest> anyway. how do i get to system logs
[18:37] <Greyztar> in var then logs and syslog i think
[18:47] <gostforest> fuck
[18:48] <gostforest> ok, im back
[18:51] <gostforest> hello?
[18:51] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: to get your issue solved, re-ask your full issue all in one line to the channel with all details please
[18:52] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: 'if' volunteers are active, they might read & help
[18:54] <gostforest> ok
[18:55] <gostforest> Chrome has been crashing my computer, and i do not know why. on both windows,and ubuntu, it crashes when opening. ive done the crash so the system log can get it.
[18:55] <gostforest> Also, the browser "Brave" makes my screen turn black for no apparent reason.
[18:56] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: brave is not the best snap to count on..
[18:57] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: to debug try to launch chrome from terminal, see what errors you getting there
[18:57] <gostforest> Well i need some sort of browser that works with touchscreens
[18:57] <blackflow> gostforest: well we've been through this, were are your log pastebins? :)
[18:58] <blackflow> also if both ubuntu and windows are crashing.....
[18:58] <blackflow> sounds like faulty hardware to me.
[18:59] <gostforest> yeah
[18:59] <gostforest> but my dad thinks its somehow my faulr tht the hardware is dying
[19:00] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: did you test other browsers to crash your pc?
[19:01] <gostforest> firefox is perf fine
[19:01] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: wich chrome version are you on?
[19:01] <gostforest> the latest one i think
[19:01] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: installed from where
[19:01] <gostforest> website
[19:02] <gostforest> official chrome website
[19:02] <gostforest> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qz7mpw7RxV/
[19:02] <gostforest> theres the first pastebin
[19:02] <blackflow> that one doesn't help much. you need that    journalctl -b -1 -n 200     immediately after post-crash reboot
[19:03] <dviola> hi
[19:03] <Greyztar> evening :)
[19:03] <gostforest> wait my computer last crash was from  chrome, do i do that now
[19:03] <dviola> will ubuntu 18.04 stay with the 4.15 kernel or there will be a major upgrade at some point?
[19:04] <dviola> I ask that because I get constant freezes with the current stock kernel
[19:04] <lotus|NUC> dviola: 4.15 kernel and gets point releases
[19:04] <lotus|NUC> dviola: uname -a please?
[19:05] <lotus|NUC> gostforest: try this also as a test: google-chrome --disable-gpu
[19:05] <gostforest> im going to try getting brave from the internet, and ill trythat
[19:07] <dviola> lotus|NUC: I'm not in front of that machine but it's using the latest generic kernel, 4.15.0-36-generic or something like that, afaik
[19:07] <lotus|NUC> dviola: did you have issues with previous kernel versions?
[19:08] <lotus|NUC> !info linux-image-generic
[19:08] <dviola> lotus|NUC: not sure, this is a new install, and the machine is new
[19:08] <dviola> it's a computer with a ryzen 5 2400g CPU
[19:08] <dviola> I run archlinux on the same machine (4.18 kernel) and I don't get those freezes
[19:08] <lotus|NUC> dviola: you might wanna play with !mainline perhaps
[19:09] <dviola> it could be a bug with amdgpu
[19:09] <TJ-> dviola: 4.18 is available via the hwe-edge kernel packages, currently in bionic-proposed
[19:09] <dviola> I could, but I don't get why ubuntu 18.04 has to stay with 4.15...
[19:09] <lotus|NUC> dviola: is this how you installed https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[19:10] <TJ-> dviola: "linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-18.04-edge/bionic-proposed 4.18.0.8.58 amd64"
[19:11] <dviola> lotus|NUC: no, I didn't try amdgpu-pro
[19:11] <dviola> that's the proprietary driver?
[19:13] <ioria> dviola, you'll get 4.18 soon with the cosmic hwe
[19:13] <blackflow> dviola: because of the LTS promise. HWE kernels are bonus points.
[19:15] <dviola> ioria: ok, so should I upgrade to 18.10?
[19:15] <ioria> dviola, if you want... or wait until Feb
[19:16] <gostforest> i keep getting frozen
[19:16] <dviola> ioria: what happens in feb?
[19:17] <ioria> dviola, 18.10 hwe
[19:17] <dviola> oh
[19:17] <gostforest> its me again, google keeps crashing, need touch accesible browser, firefox works fine, blah blah blah
[19:17] <ioria> gostforest, google ?
[19:17] <dviola> I think I'll just upgrade to 18.10, I can't have these crashes anymore
[19:22] <blackflow> dviola: you can always test the newest kernel or even the mainline kernel, without changing the entire release
[19:22] <dviola> right
[19:23] <dviola> with mainline?
[19:23] <dviola> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[19:23] <TJ-> dviola: as I pointed out 10 minutes ago, kernel 4.18 is available in 18.04
[19:23] <TJ-> dviola: "linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-18.04-edge/bionic-proposed 4.18.0.8.58 amd64"
[19:23] <dviola> TJ-: oh ok, sorry about that
[19:24] <TJ-> dviola: just enable the -proposed archive, and "apt update" and it'll be available - either the -generic- or -lowlatency- version; your choice
[19:24] <gostforest> dammit
[19:24] <gostforest> sorry
[19:24] <dviola> TJ-: thanks, that helps a lot
[19:24] <gostforest> it keeps freezing on me
[19:25] <gostforest> anyway, yeah
[19:25] <TJ-> gostforest: show is "pastebinit <( tail -n 2000 /var/log/syslog )"
[19:25] <blackflow> TJ-: gostforest: may I suggest   journalctl -b -1 -n 500
[19:25] <gostforest> ok so
[19:25] <gostforest> my touch screen is now no longer working
[19:26] <TJ-> dviola: I prefer lowlatency for desktops, generic for servers
[19:26] <dviola> TJ-: ok
[19:26] <s1c0> hi guys
[19:27] <gostforest> o guys
[19:27] <dwigton> I can't seem to use the framebuffer in 18.04 on a high-dpi screen. There is no error, but the program works on a seperate machine. Do I need to do anything other than add the user to video group?
[19:27] <blackflow> TJ-: is there any objective benefit? you're actually gonna waste quite a lot of cpu time for context switches with force pre-emption. low latency is, in my experience, needed only in a few very specific cases.
[19:27] <gostforest> my pc screen just turned black so i doont know if this is typing or not
[19:28] <gostforest> i think it stillworks cuz the sound makes the bump noise
[19:28] <Greyztar> :/
[19:28] <blackflow> gostforest: you've been asked, many times tonight, to provider journal entries from the previous boot right before the crash. you've been given the command to do so. you ignored. good luck with solving your problem if there even is one.
[19:28] <blackflow> *provide
[19:28] <TJ-> blackflow: there is very noticable performance improvements, yes
[19:29] <blackflow> TJ-: sure it's not placebo? :)
[19:29] <TJ-> blackflow: very
[19:30] <TJ-> blackflow: I frequently have intensive long running background processes going; it makes a great difference
[19:30] <blackflow> TJ-: fair enough.
[19:32] <gostforest> ok im back
[19:32] <TJ-> gostforest: show is "pastebinit <( tail -n 2000 /var/log/syslog )"
[19:32] <TJ-> gostforest: ^^^ before it crashes again!
[19:32] <gostforest> i will
[19:36] <gostforest> quick! leave me the pastebin link
[19:36] <gostforest> i just got it down
[19:36] <gostforest> this isnt the chrome crash but it is a crash
[19:36] <gostforest> the screen turning black crash
[19:37] <gostforest> want me to get the chrome crash?
[19:37] <TJ-> gostforest: just get us the syslog I asked for, it'll contain previous crash data
[19:38] <gostforest> ok got it
[19:38] <gostforest> i still ned the pastebin link
[19:38] <blackflow> !pastebin
[19:39] <TJ-> gostforest: just run this command it pastes for you!  "pastebinit <( tail -n 2000 /var/log/syslog )"
[19:39] <blackflow> oh yah, that it does.
[19:42] <gostforest> its not letting me copy and paste
[19:42] <blackflow> what isn't
[19:43] <gostforest> nvm it says its not a command
[19:43] <gostforest> nvm
[19:44] <gostforest> finally
[19:44] <gostforest> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jp6Kw3xDsd/
[19:44] <gostforest> there
[19:46] <TJ-> gostforest: firstly, hardware problems. Some PCI devices cannot be enabled because they cannot obtain address space (" can't claim BAR...")
[19:46] <blackflow> yah that's not enough.    journalctl -b -1 -n 500     will give last 500 lines from previous boot.  you can't filter syslog precisely like this, so better use journalctl
[19:47] <TJ-> gostforest: can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; lsusb )"
[19:48] <gostforest> taking a bit
[19:49] <gostforest> Unable to read from /dev/fd/63
[19:50] <gostforest> thats the error i got
[19:50] <gostforest> nvm
[19:50] <gostforest> there was a quotation mark
[19:50] <gostforest> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tvZbxCg72G/
[19:52] <TJ-> gostforest: at the end of the 1st log-file I also see "gnome-shell[1127]: message repeated 71 times: [ g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed]". that is likely related to the display issues.
[19:52] <Greyztar> anyone able to help with a lxd related question? (,")
[19:52] <TJ-> Greyztar: shoot
[19:56] <Greyztar> TJ-: so,i did release upgrade from 16 -> 18 and all supposedly went well,however it would seem one of my containers ahd a snapshot form old i think lxd 2.x something,and when i deleted that it wouldnt boot,also i discovered apparmor was missing after upgrade so i installed it,then none containers booted even after setting raw.lxc profile unconfined (disable apparmor on container) long story short,now all container exept the one with
[19:56] <Greyztar> shell due to permission denied
[19:57] <TJ-> gostforest: so we are dealing with a 4-core CPU, 4GB RAM, Intel i915 GPU with external HDMI 1920x1080 AO monitor, 355GiB disk drive
[19:57] <Greyztar> but also,i canceled (ctrl c) the deletion of snapshot and reinitiated it maybe that also could be cause
[19:58] <TJ-> Greyztar: hmmm; apparmor missing sounds like the crux of the issue; possibly some profiles are still missing
[19:58] <TJ-> Greyztar: although I cannot think why that would be removed on release-upgrade, or why it wouldn't have been there on 16.04
[19:59] <Greyztar> TJ-: im thinking the same,however shouldnt lxc set config imcontainer raw.lxc donrememeberparam
[19:59] <Greyztar> bypassthat?
[20:00] <TJ-> gostforest: in case your issue is related to a hardware issue the first thing I'd do is add "pci=realloc" to /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pci=realloc" and "sudo update-grub" and reboot
[20:01] <TJ-> Greyztar: indeed. Are these denied messages in the terminal when trying to start the container, or in a log file? is there anything in syslog or auth.log that correlates?
[20:01] <gostforest> that is my pc specs
[20:01] <Greyztar> TJ-:thanks,let me check and post bk,im not so savvy so might take lil while (,")
[20:01] <tripelb> is there a log file that logs wifi disconnection - 18.04
[20:01] <gostforest> but since im using ubuntu as a backup os, i only have around 80 gigabytes
[20:03] <TJ-> tripelb: "journalctl -u NetworkManager.service "
[20:03] <TJ-> Greyztar: correlate to the timestamps when you run the command and get the denied messages
[20:03] <Greyztar> TJ-: i will
[20:04] <TJ-> Greyztar: is your user a member of the "lxd" group? use "groups" to check
[20:04] <TJ-> Greyztar: also, are these unprivileged (user) containers, or system comtainers?
[20:04] <Greyztar> TJ-: im doing it the unsupported way,root everything
[20:04] <TJ-> Greyztar: and still getting 'denied' ?
[20:04] <gostforest> TJ-: what was the specs you said?
[20:05] <Greyztar> TJ-: these are all unpriv containers,i tried privileged no luck
[20:05] <TJ-> gostforest: I was just making clear what your Aspire Z1 specs are so we all could see it shouldn't be suffering :)
[20:05] <gostforest> ok
[20:05] <TJ-> gostforest: so we are dealing with a 4-core CPU, 4GB RAM, Intel i915 GPU with external HDMI 1920x1080 AO monitor, 355GiB disk drive
[20:05] <Greyztar> TJ-: ill check if it was denied exactely brb
[20:05] <gostforest> uh oh
[20:06] <gostforest> the memory says its 3.7
[20:06] <Greyztar> TJ-: many thanks for taking the time also
[20:06] <gostforest> unless thats supposed to be like that
[20:06] <TJ-> gostforest: that's correct; it has 4GiB but some of it is used by the Intel i915 GPU for video
[20:06] <gostforest> ok, thats  good
[20:07] <TJ-> gostforest: as I said, the most obvious thing for now is to clear that hardware unable to assign address space issue
[20:07] <gostforest> is there an easy way to fix that
[20:07] <tripelb> OK no answers, then a different question. I told the taskbar to be on the bottom and to hide. I have no way of making it unhide and have to go to activities. HOW do I get it to unhide?
[20:07] <TJ-> gostforest: so add "pci=realloc" to the file "/etc/default/grub", in the line:  "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="pci=realloc" "  and then "sudo update-grub" and reboot
[20:07] <gostforest> ok
[20:07] <tripelb> today, easy questions so far.
[20:08] <gostforest> ok
[20:08] <gostforest> uhh
[20:08] <gostforest> how do i do that
[20:08] <tripelb> OK no answers, then a different question. I told the DOCK to be on the bottom and to hide. I have no way of making it unhide and have to go to activities. HOW do I get it to unhide?
[20:09] <tripelb> Question 1: is there a log file that logs wifi disconnection - 18.04
[20:09] <TJ-> gostforest: you can add that automatically with this command: "sudo sed -i  '/^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=/ s/"$/ pci=realloc"/' /etc/default/grub  "
[20:10] <TJ-> tripelb: as I said earlier:  "journalctl -u NetworkManager.service "
[20:12] <tripelb> oh the channel name should have changed color. new hexchat I guess.
[20:12] <tripelb> thanks TJ-
[20:12] <TJ-> tripelb: clients huh!?
[20:15] <gostforest> ok im back
[20:15] <gostforest> did all of that
[20:15] <gostforest> ill be  back in a sec
[20:16] <tripelb> Oh it took me 2 weeks to get out of windows plus spectrum wifi hell. One day I daid, I could have had a v8 facepalm, use ethernet. (I had decided that 18.04 might have drivers that 16.04 lacked.. that was after a week+ of farting around with the bios. What messed me up was one day when I riffed on the bios settings I got Ubu16 to run for 15 minutes o I thought it was possible. Otherwise I got no where then later the
[20:16] <tripelb> Try/Install/TestUSB and then a blackscree (for any of the 3 choices). Burning an 1804 disk was the right solution.
[20:16] <gostforest> back
[20:16] <tripelb> TJ-,   ^^^
[20:17] <Greyztar> TJ-: sorry took me a while to gather ,but heres what i gathered from logs,i masked containername mycontainer https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPTFtP6BNT/
[20:18] <tripelb> Spectrum came today and switched out my equipment
[20:18] <Greyztar> TJ-: forgot thats only when i start the container with the deleted snap,ill see if i can include from the other non scuffed containers
[20:20] <TJ-> Greyztar: container name is "lxd-centos" ?
[20:20] <Greyztar> TJ-: ouch ithought i manages mask it to mycontainer but yesy
[20:20] <gostforest> TJ-: anything else u want me to do
[20:20] <Greyztar> its just centos tohugh
[20:22] <TJ-> Greyztar: lol ... I was just confirming the auditd message was about the problem container. I suspect the "Error: Failed to run: /usr/lib/lxd/lxd forkstart" relates to https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/3411  where it indicates the problem may be due to not assigning sub_{ugid}s correctly
[20:23] <Greyztar> TJ-: ahhh i just came to remember i didnt shut off lxd service b4 i tried change the s/uids
[20:25] <Greyztar> TJ-: i tried change them but didnt work but think i didnt shut off lxd service ill try that,also i might add the other containers boots now,but i just get thrown "bash: /root/.bashrc: Permission denied" and then my username on terminal dissapear and it says bash 4.2 and have to exit
[20:26] <Greyztar> when i try to get bash shell on container *
[20:26] <TJ-> Greyztar: if you read that thread right to the end it indicates additional step required if you're using raw.idmap
[20:26] <Greyztar> TJ-: thanks ill read it now
[20:27] <diverdude> Anybody know a good usable alternative to teamviewer?
[20:27] <TJ-> Greyztar: it also recommends a way to fix things if the container/s .conf has a different set of sub_{u.g}id maps to the OS, via using "lxc config set dev security.privileged true" then "lxc config unset dev security.privileged"
[20:30] <gostforest> so... nothing else i gotta do?
[20:32] <TJ-> gostforest: did you reboot with the "pci=realloc" setting?
[20:36] <tripelb> autohide unhide fixed with "sudo apt install dconf-tools" - I am not sure which change change things BUT it was not the autohide time because I didnt change that. And it wasnt just the change of number (always off, autohide, always on) from 0 to 1 because that alone didnt work. - Go figure.
[20:36] <diverdude> Anybody knows a good free alternative to teamviewer (one which does not require any advanced setup or port forwarding etc.)
[20:36] <tripelb> dconf-tools is started by activities, type it
[20:37] <cim209> diverdude, there's chrome remote desktop
[20:37] <tripelb> TJ-,  ^^^
[20:37] <tripelb> oops I lied. UNhide does not work from here.
[20:38] <tripelb> wait maybe it does. I have to go below the bottom.
[20:39] <tripelb> oK the gesture to unhide is to go to the bottom, pause, then go below the bottom. The cursor pauses as the bottom so it cannot be done in one move.  YW.
[20:40] <TJ-> tripelb: is that gnome shell ?
[20:41] <tripelb> yep, it is 18.04 virgin. I wish for a shell with a applications tree. Any suggestions? TJ-
[20:41] <gostforest> TJ-: yes i did
[20:41] <TJ-> tripelb: I use xubuntu, which uses XFCE
[20:41] <tripelb> virgin plus things I added hexchat vlc dconf more
[20:42] <TJ-> gostforest: can you check it has adopted the "pci=realloc" option by doing "cat /proc/cmdline" - ensure you see the option there
[20:42] <tripelb> I can fetch xfce for mine. is that the tiling one?
[20:42] <TJ-> tripelb: no, it's just a low-resource 'traditional' desktop environment
[20:42] <netcrash> Hello, in my ubuntu I do apt install krb5-user and it says the package isn't found , already tried apt update, but still doesn't find the package. Any sugestions?
[20:42] <TJ-> tripelb: you can install it alongside gnome with "sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop" then it'll be a session option on the greeter screen (via the cog icon)
[20:43] <gostforest> whoops
[20:43] <gostforest> i did it 3 times
[20:43] <Bashing-om> !info krb5-user
[20:44] <gostforest> but there is 3 pci realloc
[20:44] <TJ-> netcrash:  ^^^^ as Bashing-om shows, it is in "universe" component you need to enable that
[20:44] <Bashing-om> netcrash: ^ . universe repo enabled ?
[20:44] <tripelb> TJ-, it be installing
[20:44] <TJ-> gostforest: ooops! do you want to remove 2 of them? :)
[20:44] <gostforest> yes, how
[20:45] <gostforest> its my fault
[20:45] <TJ-> gostforest: show me what this reports "grep GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= /etc/default/grub "
[20:46] <gostforest> 3 of it
[20:46] <TJ-> gostforest: can you copy/paste the line you see please?
[20:46] <gostforest> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" pci=realloc pci=realloc pci=realloc"
[20:48] <TJ-> gostforest: to remove 2 do " sudo sed -i '/^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=/ s/=.*/="pci=realloc"/' /etc/default/grub "
[20:48] <TJ-> gostforest: after that check the line again with...
[20:49] <TJ-> gostforest: ... "grep GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= /etc/default/grub "
[20:49] <TJ-> gostforest: if there is now only one copy, do " sudo update-grub"
[20:50] <netcrash> TJ-, Bashing-om going to see
[20:50] <netcrash> thank you
[20:50] <Bashing-om> netcrash: :)
[20:52] <netcrash> bash94,  TJ- no it wasn't , added universe now it works. Thank you
[20:54] <gostforest> only one, whats the update thing
[20:55] <TJ-> gostforest: if there is now only one copy, do " sudo update-grub"
[20:55] <TJ-> gostforest: is the PC still crashing in some way?
[21:00] <gostforest> ok now its different
[21:00] <gostforest> when openening google
[21:01] <gostforest> the screen turns bllack but everything else works
[21:01] <gostforest> like sound n stuff
[21:01] <gostforest> like the screen turns off
[21:02] <gostforest> no light at all
[21:06] <gostforest> TJ-: youthere?
[21:21] <Greyztar> TJ-: seems related to some cgroups or so,have to give in for today but thx for help :)
[21:21] <gostforest> ok im just gonna get opera hopefully that will ok
[21:24] <XLBC> hi all
[21:25] <TJ-> gostforest: sorry, I was away from the PC. So it sounds like we fixed something!
[21:32] <gostforest> yeah, something
[21:32] <gostforest> but it still isnt working
[21:35] <gostforest> ok so opera diesnt like to be not frozen
[21:37] <TJ-> gostforest: is it one particular web-site that is causing the problem, or just using any web browser more generally?
[21:37] <gostforest> opera is working fine now
[21:37] <gostforest> it just kept freezing up
[21:38] <gostforest> what file type for adobe flash
[21:38] <gostforest> apt
[21:38] <gostforest> targz
[21:38] <gostforest> or YUM
[21:39] <TJ-> gostforest: what do you mean?
[21:40] <TJ-> !info flashplugin-installer | gostforest
[21:40] <gostforest> im getting flash for opera so i wanna know which type is easiest
[21:41] <gostforest> that
[21:41] <gostforest> doesnt help me
[21:43] <TJ-> gostforest: the way to install it is via the archive as per the info above. Enable the multiverse component in Software Properties first, then you can install the package
[21:46] <gostforest> what
[21:46] <gostforest> where is the software properties
[21:52] <tomreyn> gostforest: you can run this on the terminal: software-properties-gtk
[21:52] <gostforest> nvm i got to it
[21:53] <gostforest> i anyway, i did that
[21:53] <gostforest> what do i do next
[21:55] <gostforest> looked it up and got it
[21:55] <TJ-> gostforest: "sudo apt update && sudo apt install flashplugin-installer"
[22:01] <gostforest> ok browser has just crashed
[22:01] <gostforest> full on crashed
[22:01] <gostforest> not black screen
[22:04] <gostforest> my pc is an acer z1
[22:22] <TJ-> gostforest: there may be a report with more info in /var/log/syslog, or possibly in $HOME/.xsession-errors
[22:32] <netcrash> Does anyone know how to create GPO for samba without using RSAT?
[22:52] <nexus6> After an update my desktop looks like this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q1f53Do87KzCSHyD7 What do you think I can do?
[22:53] <nexus6> It looks like we have zoomed on the top corner. any ideas??
[23:04] <gostforest> hey tj. which syslog file
[23:04] <gostforest> theres syslog and syslog 1
[23:04] <birdman007> i just intstalled ubuntu on my laptop and the windows partition is not showing up in the file explorer, im doing a dual boot
[23:05] <birdman007> how do i make it show up
[23:05] <gostforest> mm
[23:05] <conr> How can I gracefully close a Screen Sharing session with a ssh tunnel in Bionic?
[23:06] <gostforest> birdman007: go to the file manager, and click other locations. tell me what drives are there
[23:14] <netcrash> https://superuser.com/questions/1365002/manage-users-in-a-windows-network-with-fos-open-source-solutions
[23:17] <nauticalnexus> Hi, I'm having an issue with a my touchpad. Clean installation and it's not working, but it shows in xinput and less /proc/bus/input/devices
[23:19] <gostforest> i think in the settings it has touchpad settings
[23:19] <gostforest> so maybe check there for anything
[23:19] <nauticalnexus> Okay but there's nothing working. The touchpad lights up but no input is read.
[23:23] <gostforest> hmm
[23:23] <gostforest> theres input config but idk if thats whats thats for
[23:33] <tripelb> fyi google voice calling now has voice on chrome, after roboot.
[23:40] <netcrash> If anyone can give feedback https://superuser.com/questions/1365002/manage-users-in-a-windows-network-with-fos-open-source-solutions
[23:45] <RoscoePColtrane> netcrash: you might get more responses inquiring with current windows admins about managing from FOSS, than the ubuntu side
[23:49] <blackhaze> somebody knows why I cannot run packet tracert in kubuntu 18.04 lts ?
[23:55] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> Is it possible to install Ubuntu 18.04 under Virtualbox on Windows10?
[23:56] <blackhaze> yes it is possible, but you have to see the architecture from your hardware, its better you try ubuntu X86
[23:56] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> huh?
[23:57] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> by Ubuntu x86 you mean Ubuntu 32bit, right?