[00:04] <blackflow> Kon-: please keep in mind it is not EFI vs MBR. you can have legacy boot with both GPT and MBR partitioning schemes, but EFI requries only GPT.  so, the correct thing to say is EFI vs legacy (BIOS) boot. The former requires an ESP (efi system partitin) and the latter requries a bios_grub partition type for GPT, or old MBR thing.
[00:05] <blackflow> Kon-: unfortunately I don't know how to force the installer to go either way, if GPT is used. I use the installer very rarely.
[00:23] <Kon-> blackflow: Thanks. Re: the installer, previously when I wanted to get it to switch, I was able to do so only when a machine had two separate boot orders for EFI devices and legacy devices
[00:23] <Kon-> So that is at least a potential work-around
[00:23] <yelowfish> hi all,is this normal for a ping result 64 bytes from hkg12s09-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.203.14): icmp_seq=383 ttl=54 time=46 ms  .. why does it have the intial part " hkg12s09-in-f14.1e100.net"
[00:24] <yelowfish> i did ping google.com
[00:26] <blackflow> Kon-: that or you force the partitioning layout before the installer does it.
[00:27] <blackflow> yelowfish: because that's rdns for google's ips
[00:28] <TJ-> blackflow: just an FYI: UEFI supports both GPT and MBR, in fact the spec mandates supporting MBR too
[00:28] <yelowfish> not having to do with a vpn?
[00:29] <blackflow> TJ-: looks like you're right and I remembered it wrong.
[00:29] <blackflow> yelowfish: 1e100.net is google's addresses.
[00:30] <TJ-> blackflow: the problem is some manufacturers don't include the MBR logic for the EFI boot path :P
[00:30] <blackflow> TJ-: seems some implementations are then blocking EFI with MBR and switching to legacy boot.
[00:30] <blackflow> TJ-: yeah.
[00:30] <Phischi> evening everybody. Is there a easy fix on how to change the boot-language of a Kubuntu-LiveUSBstick?
[00:31] <yelowfish> ok.does ubuntu has an issue with a browser on vpn?
[00:31] <blackflow> yelowfish: most likely not. so what's the problem you're having?
[00:31] <Phischi> snooped around the stick under Windows but couldn't find a obvious language-setting in the GRUB config
[00:31] <yelowfish> i noticed that when the vpn on a browser is on im having frequent destination host unreachable
[00:32] <blackflow> yelowfish: fun fact,  1e100 is 1^100 = googol (yes, googol, not a typo).
[00:33] <blackflow> yelowfish: you'll have to diagnose those specific cases and why they're unreachable. note that icmp packets might pass through from ping, but tcp not. you can use mtr (from mtr-tiny package) for more rigorous testing and using tcp/udp packets.
[00:33] <TJ-> Phischi: usually at boot-time - in BIOS boot mode - there's a slight delay at boot-time and at bottom of screen there is a keyboard/language indicator to allow that. For UEFI boots, that go through GRUB, I think the language choice doesn't occur until the ubiquity installer starts
[00:34] <stack_over_flow> 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
[00:35] <stack_over_flow> send me one googol bitcoins
[00:35] <stack_over_flow> kthx
[00:35] <Phischi> TJ-: no way to set it hard to one language?
[00:35] <yelowfish> blackflow, may i request a link for the mtr tools ?
[00:36] <blackflow> stack_over_flow: sent and waiting in your computer's RNG chip. you can cat them from /dev/urandom.
[00:36] <Phischi> TJ-: what else? I tried to add a persistent partition though Ubuntu never seemed to find it
[00:36] <blackflow> !info mtr-tiny | yellowfish
[00:36] <stack_over_flow> cat /dev/urandom/all_my_btcs
[00:37] <blackflow> for one googol BTCs, _you_ will happen.
[00:37] <yelowfish> tnx for the trivia.its legit,but it was spelled like a phishing site
[00:38] <blackflow> yelowfish: oh I know. got me confuzzled the first time I saw that. one whois later, I saw the light!
[00:38] <yelowfish> lol
[00:38] <TJ-> Phischi: It's not something I've really needed; only time I've dealt with that aspect was years ago when fixing bugs in ubiquity and the installer
[00:38] <yelowfish> gtg,tnx a ton
[00:38] <stack_over_flow> grep 'all_the_btc' /dev/urandom
[00:38] <stack_over_flow> i haz no bitcoins, blackflow
[00:39] <blackflow> you'll overflow teh stacks!
[00:39] <blackflow>  --> #ubuntu-discuss , this has gotten out of hand! ;)
[00:40] <stack_over_flow> :)
[00:42] <yelowfish> btw is forcefck applicable on normal boot? (not using live usb)
[00:42] <Phischi> TJ-: I see. It's just the usecase when I need to run a clean system... annoys me so much to switch langauge and keyboardsettings everytime manually :P
[00:43] <Bashing-om> yelowfish: Ome can force a file system check: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html .
[00:48] <TJ-> Phischi: I vaguely recall it might be possible via kernel command-line options, but I may be mistaken
[00:51] <yelowfish> got dc.. what other methods do u use for system checks ?
[00:53] <Bashing-om> yelowfish: Did you see: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html ?
[00:55] <Sven_vB> any ideas how I can browse a webserver that uses ancient SSL? it's an embedded device and the firmware hadn't been upgraded in years. I tried having socat listen on a local plain TCP port and connect that to the web server's HTTPS, but "error:14082174:SSL routines:SSL3_CHECK_CERT_AND_ALGORITHM:dh key too small"
[00:55] <TJ-> Phischi: yes, I was correct! Casper allows it via initramfs scripts
[00:57] <Sven_vB> socat would accept "file with the Diffie Hellman parameters" (dhparams=), how could I find those?
[00:57] <TJ-> Phischi: this is /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/14locales: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N9bqZFJZZQ/ note lines 29-45
[01:01] <TJ-> Sven_vB: which Ubuntu release are you using? Also, have you tried using "openssl s_client -connect ..." ? See "man s_client" - although it sounds like your issue is allowing the older ciphers and key sizes
[01:02] <Sven_vB> TJ-, trusty. I could try with xenial, too. I'll try s_client, thanks!
[01:02] <Phischi> TJ-: so I have to generate the locales  in the ramdisk?
[01:03] <Phischi> or does it just take the language-variable?
[01:03] <Phischi> like editing it to "echo LANG=DE.UTF-8 > /root/etc/default/locale" ?
[01:03] <TJ-> Phischi: I don't think so - the script you see is run just before the real rootfs is pivoted, so if the correct local files are there they should be used.
[01:04] <Phischi> ah
[01:04] <TJ-> Phischi: the script is simply setting the variable as you can see
[01:04] <Phischi> I'm not really into programming :P
[01:04] <TJ-> Phischi: I'm not entirely sure what the collection of locales is in Live images but I guess it is pretty comprehensive since there is a language chooser in it!
[01:05] <Phischi> yup
[01:05] <TJ-> Phischi: the script appears to lookk for any of 3 ways to set language/locale from the kernel cmdline, and then set the environment variables used to control locales via the "update-locale" tool
[01:07] <TJ-> Phischi: so I presume you can add something like "locale=de_DE.UTF-8"
[01:07] <Phischi> ah
[01:21] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I managed to download the remote cert with s_client, but haven't yet found how to make dhparams from that.
[01:28] <TJ-> Sven_vB: do you need to do that? If s_client can complete the connection you can use it surely?
[01:29] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I'll read again
[01:31] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I can't find how to make it transfer actual data, instead of quitting after the handshake.
[01:32] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if s_client connects you simply type :) I've always assumed you can also pipe into its stdin
[02:14] <cim209> what is the recommended/best kernel for ubuntu 16.04 server?
[02:14] <TJ-> cim209: what I said in ##linux :)
[02:16] <cim209> TJ-, seems like 4.4 and up is safe from spectre and meltdown
[02:16] <TJ-> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 bionic | cim209
[02:17] <TJ-> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge bionic | cim209
[02:17] <TJ-> oh, looks like our bot is on a netsplit
[02:17] <cim209> TJ-, lol
[02:17] <TJ-> CommandPrompt: yes, 4.4 is still supported although some of the patches are harder to backport to it
[02:18] <TJ-> oops!
[02:18] <TJ-> cim209:  ^^^
[02:19] <cim209> TJ-, what you said up there is the recommended kernel for 16.04 servers?
[02:20] <TJ-> any of these kernels are recommended. the HWE kernels are there to support newer hardware, but also may provide better performance (lots of things change over time)
[02:20] <TJ-> HWE == HardWare Enablement
[02:21] <TJ-> Basically it means you can, for instance, run the hwe kernel from 18.04 LTS with the userspace of 16.04 LTS
[02:22] <cim209> hmm
[02:22] <cim209> don't think i would need that
[02:22] <cim209> got the lowest tier of digitalocean lol
[02:26] <gbear14275_> Hello, has anyone reported random "network login" windows popping up during routine use?
[02:44] <blackhaze> I need to know how may I install squirrelmail in my ubuntu I need to configure an email server
[02:54] <ducasse> blackhaze: you mean reachable from the internet, that will actually send and receive mail?
[02:55] <blackhaze> yes I am looking for some tutorial that explain some errors
[02:56] <blackhaze> ducasse: Have you ever configured an email service usin postfix, squirrelmail and imap?
[02:56] <ducasse> blackhaze: an email server is probably the last thing you should run if you don't know what you're doing, you will just end up hurting others
[02:57] <blackhaze> I have confiured before but I can not do it now
[02:57] <cim209> setting up MTAs are a pain
[02:58] <ducasse> and beyond what is supported here
[02:58] <blackhaze> cim209: is more than a pain is just almost impossible
[02:58] <cim209> i just use mailgun for incoming/outgoing then use gmail as the inbox
[02:59] <blackhaze> in my work I have to configure with squirrelmail, postfix and imap
[03:00] <cim209> that's doing too much
[03:01] <ducasse> if it's for work then it's definitely beyond the scope of this channel
[03:02] <cim209> yeah that's more for sysadmin stuff
[05:15] <ylel9> good morning people
[06:01] <pikia> mornin'
[06:16] <gambl0re> hello?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: yes?
[07:09] <tachikomas> Hello community, i'm having trouble with 18.04 and a X230 Thinkpad laptop, when i close the screen i would like to suspend or hybernate the computer, but nothing happend
[07:10] <tachikomas> I tryed to modify systemd/logind.conf and enable HandleLidSwitch=hibernate
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> tachikomas: alot of machine have acpi bugs with hibernate, perhaps take a look in your dmesg/syslog and try gnome-tweak-tool see if hibernate is enabled there
[07:15] <tachikomas> in gnome tweaks i have "suspend when lid is closed
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> tachikomas: and its enabled right?
[07:17] <tachikomas> yep
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> tachikomas: there are also some energy options in dconf-editor you could try
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> tachikomas: in the new dconf-editor you can search for settings easy
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> power, hibernate or suspend
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> tachikomas: if those all dont help, i suggest record some errors with tail -f /var/log/syslog try the hibernate and pastebin us the errors please
[07:19] <tachikomas> "suspend" everuwhere
[07:19] <tachikomas> Ok.
[07:19] <tachikomas> I'l do that
[07:32] <Kocane> How often are the stable repositories of Ubuntu updated? For instance apache2
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Kocane
[07:34] <blackflow> Kocane: only with major bug, or security patches, for the duration of the Ubuntu release in question.
[07:34] <blackflow> (as often as those happen, depending on the package)
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> tachikomas: wich graphics card/driver do you have currently in use?
[07:53] <tachikomas> lotuspsychje, using generic driver i guess, on a HD4000
[07:53] <tachikomas> nothing revelent in syslog
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> !bootoptions | tachikomas could try this too for no_acpi for example
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> tachikomas: if that doesnt help, id reccomend a new !bug
[07:54] <tachikomas> One thing wich is a bit weird i tryed to tail-f the state of the LID button
[07:55] <tachikomas> and i never hade a close. only a open. Could it be a hardware failure, or a driver problem about my laptop ?
[07:58] <fub> Hi. Since I did an apt upgrade, my touchpad is broken. I cant "hold click and move" anymore.
[07:59] <fub> Sometimes it works, most of the time not.
[08:00] <fub> When I move the mouse to something draggable, then wait a second and try to drag it, it does not work. When I move the mouse to the draggable and instanly drag it, it works.
[08:12] <blackflow> fub: did you reboot? sometimes updating packages for programs in use, especially GUI related, can enter semi-broken states unless either full restart of xorg, or full reboot.
[08:13] <blackflow> (despite of what some would say that you need to reboot only after kernel upgrade, that is not true with modern linux systems)
[08:27] <fub> backflow: yes I did
[08:28] <fub> the double-click for context menu functionality is also gone, its now only available via double-finger tap
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> fub: doublechecked your settings in gnome-tweak-tool under mouse settings?
[08:34] <fub> lotuspsychje: I'm not using gnome, I'm using i3
[08:38] <fub> lotuspsychje: okay I fixed it. Had to change some libinput settings in my xorg.conf. Seems like some default settings changed with the update I installed.
[08:40] <lotus|NUC> !yay | fub
[09:53] <andersj> hi, anyone awake?
[09:55] <andersj> I need some advice please.
[10:00] <enzotib> !ask | andersj
[10:03] <andersj> libre office will no longer execute from desktop or terminal. have reinstalled in synaptic to no avail. any solution?
[10:05] <andersj> also when trying to chmod and run a shellscript (for a different program) I get 'no file or directory' though I can see it clearly in the file manager.
[10:06] <andersj> why doesn't the system see it?
[10:09] <coz_> andersj,  I assume you already did sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade     yes?
[10:09] <blackflow> andersj: that message is probably for the faulty shebang line. what is it? what's the shebang of the script?
[10:13] <andersj> #!/bin/bash
[10:14] <Triffid_Hunter> andersj: have you accidentally changed permissions for the / or /bin directories? ls -ld  will tell you
[10:15] <andersj> am not sure, I don't think so.
[10:15] <Triffid_Hunter> andersj: strace may help then
[10:16] <andersj> sorry, am lost now.
[10:16] <Captain_Haddock> I'm on Kubuntu. Is it possible to have a dual monitor setup with one connected to my Nvidia 1030 and another to the onboard graphics?
[10:18] <Captain_Haddock> Also, how do I check which monitors are connected to my system via the cli?
[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> Captain_Haddock: xrandr should tell you which ports have something attached
[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> Captain_Haddock: no idea about splitting stuff between two gpus though
[10:21] <Captain_Haddock> Triffid_Hunter: Cheers. xrandr doesn't appear to detect the monitor connected to the onboard HDMI port.
[10:22] <Captain_Haddock> Anyway I can probe each HDMI port?
[10:22] <Captain_Haddock> lspci and lshw don't seem to offer much.
[10:26] <blackflow> andersj: run the script with -x for bash (or set -x at the top of the script), that will trace the script as it executes and you can see exactly at which point it throws the error
[10:29] <andersj> when I try to run I just get file.sh: command not found
[10:30] <gpunk> try ./file.sh
[10:30] <gpunk> after doing a chmod +x file.sh
[10:31] <andersj> yes, already did that as standard
[10:32] <gpunk> can you do which bash ?
[10:33] <andersj> i dont know how
[10:33] <gpunk> type "which bash"
[10:33] <gpunk> it will give you the path to bash
[10:34] <andersj> okay, but what next?
[10:34] <gpunk> show us the result please
[10:35] <andersj> jonathan@ubuntu:~/Downloads/gSpeech-master$ which bash
[10:35] <andersj> /bin/bash
[10:35] <andersj> jonathan@ubuntu:~/Downloads/gSpeech-master$ gSpeech.sh
[10:35] <andersj> gSpeech.sh: command not found
[10:35] <gpunk> and ls -l gSpeech.sh ?
[10:36] <andersj> -rwxr-xr-x 1 jonathan jonathan 104 okt 10 11:27 gSpeech.sh
[10:37] <hateball> andersj: does your script start with #!/bin/bash or is it some other interpreter it expects?
[10:37] <blackflow> andersj: you did not prefix gSpeech.sh  with ./
[10:37] <hateball> oh
[10:37] <hateball> good catch blackflow
[10:37] <blackflow> you can't just name the script, unless it's in PATH and I doubt ~/Downlads/ is
[10:38] <gpunk> yes try "./gSpeech.sh"
[10:39] <andersj> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:39] <andersj>   File "./gSpeech.py", line 4, in <module>
[10:39] <andersj>     import os, sys, pynotify, shutil, tempfile, ConfigParser, subprocess, multiprocessing
[10:39] <andersj> ImportError: No module named pynotify
[10:39] <gpunk> voila, you are missing python modules now
[10:39] <gpunk> Depends: python (>=2.7) python-gst0.10 (>=0.10) python-gtk2 (>=2.24) libttspico-utils (>= 1.0) python-notify (>=0.1) gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio
[10:40] <blackflow> first of all, !pastebin   . second, now that's a different problem. Not sure supporting random user scripts is part of this channel. You'll have to understand python development to fix this one. you're missing pynotify module in the python import path.
[10:40] <gpunk> this is on https://github.com/tuxmouraille/gSpeech : installation instructions
[10:44] <Furai> Does Ubuntu support in any way voice recognition/voice commands?
[10:44] <hateball> I guess you could script your own stuff using tivoli or something, but for something native like Microsoft Cortana... nope
[10:44] <hateball> Furai: ^
[10:45] <Furai> I'm not really looking into anything like Cortana/google now and stuff like that.
[10:45] <Furai> Just accessibility things.
[10:46] <Furai> "just"
[10:46] <gpunk> i think you have orca...
[10:46] <Furai> Anyway, thanks for your answer.
[10:46] <gpunk> it s a screen reader
[10:47] <andersj> have download python notify 1, extracted it in /download - how to I install it?
[10:47] <Furai> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca
[10:47] <Furai> This?
[10:47] <gpunk> check with #python iguess
[10:47] <Furai> Still, it's just screen reader, like you said.
[10:49] <Furai> Maybe "simon listens"?
[10:49] <Furai> Actually, it's kind of sad that ubuntu does not support anything "out of the box".
[10:49] <andersj> brainache
[10:55] <emilsp> is there a particular reason why setting the DNS globally via NetworkManager _doesn't_ work on Ubuntu 18.04 ? It doesn'
[10:55] <emilsp> The DNS server I want doesn't show up in the output of systemd-resolve --status
[11:02] <andersj> Package 'python-gst0.10' has no installation candidate :(
[11:03] <andersj> do you think I would have better luck using debian rather than ubuntu?
[11:12] <andersj> found the python-gst0.10 but status: Error: Dependency is not satifyable: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>=0.10.32 what does it mean?
[11:15] <Ben64> andersj: dunno what you're doing, but it seems like you're doing it wrong
[11:23] <superherointj> Hello.
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:25] <emilsp> is there a particular reason NetworkManager isn't configuring DNS with systemd-resolved on 18.04 ?
[11:25] <blackflow> !details | emilsp
[11:27] <emilsp> blackflow: when setting a global DNS server with DBus for NetworkManager, the output of systemd-resolve --status does not change, i.e. the DNS config doesn't change.
[11:28] <blackflow> emilsp: are there any related errors or warnings in the journal?   journalctl -p warning..crit
[11:29] <emilsp> blackflow: I've enabled super verbose logging for NM, and I see nothing. There are no log entries from the `systemd-resolved` service
[11:29] <blackflow> I guess it just sucks then. systemd-resolved is the first thing I completely disable on any new installation.
[11:29] <blackflow> because of things like this.
[11:32] <emilsp> if it were my machine, I'd do so. But this is an issue with an application I'm developing, where the application has to set the DNS. Fighting over /etc/resolv.conf is a massive pain.
[11:33] <emilsp> But the whole DNS situation on linux is starting to resemble https://xkcd.com/927/
[11:34] <BluesKaj> afaik, resolved.conf DNS settings are bypassed by NM, It does work without NM in the mix while using ifupdown and resolved.conf DNS entries
[11:34] <blackflow> emilsp: with systemd-resolved, you must not change /etc/resolved.conf
[11:34] <emilsp> what, but NM is capable of interfacing with systemd-resolved over DBus
[11:34] <blackflow> it's hard coded to resolved itself, which is a stub resolver (so not even a recursive one, but a totally useless cog in the machine)
[11:35] <ledeni> emilsp: try 'nm-connection-editor' in term
[11:35] <emilsp> >term
[11:35] <blackflow> s/resolved\.conf/resolv.conf/
[11:36] <emilsp> There's supposed to be a systemd-resolved daemon which is accessible over DBus, and setting DNS over DBus works. However, this doesn't work when setting DNS config globally in NM, even though it should.
[11:40] <emilsp> Works just fine if we're interfacing with systemd-resolved directly. Since on other distros, systemd-resolved is not available, we usually try NetworkManager first, but this completely breaks on Ubuntu.
[11:40] <emilsp> because of the aforementioned issue.
[11:43] <blackflow> emilsp: you can always disable it and use unbound or dmasq, or dhcpclient-define entries straight to resolv.conf
[11:44] <ledeni> emilsp: check ---->https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/ubuntu-how-tos/how-to-configure-dns-server-on-ubuntu-18-04.html
[11:45] <blackflow> emilsp: btw, what do you mean by setting DNS config globally in NM? iirc that functionality was removed from NM, around 17.10 if I'm not mistaken
[11:45] <blackflow> that functionality = input box for DNS settings in NM, and NM dropped that ability completely, like a good gnome component, losing important functions with each new release.
[11:50] <R13ose> Hi
[12:08] <emilsp> blackflow, ledeni, I'm not looking to manually manage the DNS config, but rather why things which work in other distros over DBus don't work in 18.04
[12:11] <blackflow> emilsp: because other distros don't use systemd-resolved and sending a dbus message to NM results in a different action?
[12:19] <emilsp> other distros _do_ use resolved, and NM handles it that the same way, or it should handle it the same way.
[12:46] <tichun> Hi. How to make usb tethering work? The problem is that network manager connects to it on boot and after 5-10 seconds it is gone. Stopping it with systemctl and using sudo dhclient #interfacename (just typ 'e' and press tab) makes usb tethering work fine. But why do i have to do that? How can I make it just work?
[12:47] <tichun> I'm on bionic beaver but the same thing was happening in xenial xerus
[12:48] <blackflow> emilsp: which distros did you try? afail debian and derivatives (Except ubuntu) don't, fedora doesn't, centos doesn't.
[12:49] <blackflow> *afaik
[12:49] <tichun> Oh sorry. I got it now. There are answers on the net for 16.04 but nothing for 18.04. that is why i didn't find a solution. The problem is modem manager service that needs to be disabled. I wonder why is this still prelevant in 18.04
[13:18] <spkrl> hello there, can I ask here how to configure an email server?
[13:19] <blackflow> spkrl: that's a pretty broad subject with lots of details. have you tried google?
[13:20] <spkrl> yes, but configuring postfix and dovecot it's huge, where can I aks?
[13:20] <blackflow> spkrl: there's #postfix and there's #dovecot if you have particular issues with them.
[13:23] <ecormier> spkrl: also arch/gentoo should have some pretty thorough guides
[13:24] <d4rkt1m3s> can somebody direct me to the open chat?
[13:25] <ryuo> d4rkt1m3s: #ubuntu-discuss ?
[13:26] <d4rkt1m3s> I meant like an offtopic channel.
[13:26] <ryuo> d4rkt1m3s: that is the offtopic channel.
[13:26] <d4rkt1m3s> ok
[13:26] <d4rkt1m3s> thank you.
[13:28] <blackflow> technically, #ubuntu-offtopic is the offtopic chan. -discuss is still ubuntu topic, though not strictly support
[13:29] <Sven_vB> is there a mechanism like a ring buffer file? I'd like to pipe usually-boring output from a program there, but in case something interesting happens, I'd like to see the previous few KB of output, and be able to tail --follow it.
[13:30] <ryuo> Sven_vB: ring buffer? that sounds more involved than what is easily done with shell.
[13:30] <ryuo> if it is what I think it is, then it loops around when it fills up.
[13:31] <Sven_vB> doesn't have to be a real ring buffer.
[13:31] <ryuo> Sven_vB: well, the closest thing to what you want is to append to a file continuously, and then tail -F the file.
[13:31] <ryuo> it'll then continue to spit out new input lines as they are written.
[13:32] <Sven_vB> I'll check what happens if I rotate that logfile then. the logrotate docs sounded like processes would still write to the old file until they reopen it by path.
[13:32] <ryuo> i believe logrotate requires the processes to cooperate for maximum benefit.
[13:33] <ryuo> either way, that program just archives old logs and opens a new one.
[13:33] <Sven_vB> then instead I'll try what happens when I copy the file and then truncate it.
[13:33] <Sven_vB> the race condition might be tolerable
[13:36] <blackflow> I wonder if you can set arbitrary mesages to rrd?
[13:36] <blackflow> as rrd is the round-robin database aka "ring buffer"
[13:38] <Sven_vB> oh nice, when I use the "tee" utility with --append for writing, it detects the file has been truncated and seeks to the new end of file, so my copy and truncate works.
[13:39] <Sven_vB> with just shell redirect, it continues writing at the old position, so the first part of the file is filled with 0x00 bytes.
[13:47] <drblah> Hi. I have a question about Ubuntu server 18.04.1. I just installed it in a VM but every time I run sudo it hangs for 5-10 seconds. Any idea why this might happen?
[13:48] <hateball> drblah: trying to resolve your local hostname with a broken configuration, perhaps
[13:48] <hateball> like if you have changed your hostname but not /etc/hosts
[13:50] <drblah> I don't think I have changed the name since installation. But indeed if I run nslookup and type in the host name of the VM it does hang untill timeout.
[13:52] <drblah> Is it safe to add the host name to /etc/hosts or does it get autogenerated by something?
[13:57] <drblah> Anyways, thanks for the help @hateball. It was indeed a problem with the host name.
[13:57] <hateball> drblah: :)
[13:57] <howarthjw> Still no joy with the nvidia drivers on a MacPro 2008 and a GTX 680 flashed with Mac ROM images
[13:58] <howarthjw> Tried bionic, ubuntu and fedora 28 with rpmfusion's nvidia packages
[13:58] <howarthjw> Always the same deal. The display goes dark when the greeter should appear. Almost as if the backlighting is turned off.
[14:13] <andersj> I have 2x 2gb ram cards. Bios recognises both however ubuntu only recognises one. How do I get it to use the second too?
[14:19] <kedarapte> andersj: how much ram does Ubuntu show?
[14:20] <kedarapte> andersj: if it shows 2.96 GB or little below 3 GB... check if you are using 64 bit OS. You might be using 32 bit OS and hence it is not showing 4 GB of ram
[14:44] <lotus|NUC> !nomodeset | howarthjw
[15:26] <January> How can I add a CA to the Ubuntu Installer? cant seem to find where the .crt are stored
[15:29] <leftyfb> January: the ca-certificates package includes /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/examples/ca-certificates-local/local/Local_Root_CA.crt
[15:29] <leftyfb> January: other than that, the only .crt files by default should be from firefox
[15:31] <blackflow> they're in /etc/ssl/certs tho'
[15:39] <gt_> trying to set up LUKS encryption on an existing ubuntu installation, I've encrypted the root partition using cryptsetup-reencrypt, and configured grub, efi, and regenerated the initramfs. Now I get a password prompt after selecting Ubuntu in grub, and after entering the correct password I get the following: https://imgur.com/a/4pICMH0 The grub config is in the image below. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? When I `cat /proc/modules` I
[15:39] <gt_> ... related to luks or crypto
[15:40] <gt_> I've also tried chrooting from a liveusb and changing the grub conf generated to not use UUIDs and it tells me the thing it can't find is /dev/mapper/cryptroot (which is what I decided to call the encrypted root)
[15:41] <blackflow> gt_: what is that UUID supposed to be? the luks container or fs in it?
[15:41] <gt_> The fs in it
[15:42] <blackflow> have you set up the crypttab correctly?
[15:47] <gt_> I believe so, I have just the one line: cryptroot UUID=uid_of_the_encrypted_partition_luks_container none luks,discard
[15:47] <gt_> blackflow: sorry, just had to reboot into the liveusb and mount everything again
[15:50] <blackflow> gt_: you'll need "initramfs" after that luks,discard. there's a bug, I lost the PR# but without it, it won't unlock properly on boot
[15:50] <blackflow> without it = without "initramfs" in crypttab
[15:51] <blackflow> I know that for a fact becuse just yesterday I removed it thinking it's fixed, since systemd cryptsetup generator is complaining about that "initramfs" (a warning, not an error), and of course, no soup for me on reboot.
[15:53] <gt_> so `luks,discard,initramfs`? will try that, thanks
[15:54] <blackflow> yup
[15:58] <gt_> hmm getting the same error (complaining about no /dev/mapper/cryptroot) and still takes a minute or two before it gets there after entering the password
[15:59] <blackflow> gt_: k back to square one (but leave that "initramfs" in crypttab). what's cryptsetup-reencrypt doing exactly?
[16:00] <blackflow> and btw, you did update initramfs after changing the crypttab, right?
[16:00] <gt_> so cryptsetup-reencrypt is just a tool to encrypt an existing partition with luks
[16:01] <blackflow> gt_: so it's a regular LUKS partition?
[16:01] <gt_> and i can mount the partition (/dev/sda7) with `cryptsetup open /dev/sda7 cryptroot`
[16:01] <gt_> yes
[16:02] <gt_> I ran `update-initramfs -u -k all` and it seemed to update images in root of the /boot/ folder
[16:04] <blackflow> hmm, wait, grub might be misconfiugred. you need to have the actual root mounted from /dev/mapper/cryptroot (or whatever the name) when installing/updating grub
[16:04] <gt_> when I chroot i mount the unencrypted efi partition to /boot/efi, so if initramfs is getting loaded, that must mean that the root partition is getting unencrypted in order to access those images?
[16:04] <gt_> I will show you the /etc/default/grub, give me a minute
[16:04] <blackflow> not sure, but when you chroot, / must be mounted from /dev/mapper/...
[16:05] <gt_> yes, I use `cryptsetup open /dev/sda7 cryptroot` then `mount /dev/mapper/cryptroot /mnt` and `mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/boot/efi`
[16:06] <blackflow> and then you chroot to /mnt ?
[16:06] <blackflow> did you set up devfs, procfs and sys before chrooting?
[16:11] <gt_> yes, last command before chroot /mnt is `for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do mount --bind $i /mnt$i; done`
[16:11] <gt_>  /etc/default/grub is this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WgzqJvy78X/
[16:13] <blackflow> gt_: cryptodisk? so /boot is encrypted too?
[16:13] <gt_> yes, /boot is on the encrypted luks partition
[16:13] <gt_> it's the same partition
[16:13] <gt_> the unencrypted bit is mounted to /boot/efi
[16:13] <blackflow> and uh you have GRUB_DISABLE_UUID but you.... pass UUID to the kernel.
[16:14] <gt_> I only just quickly tried that, can reset that back
[16:14] <blackflow> you should, you have root=UUID=...  in the kernel command line
[16:15] <blackflow> so anyway, that's encrypted /boot, and I'm not sure what's needed for this. I tried that once, two years ago, and it was a PITA to set up. I'm using unencrypted /boot, I can't think of a good reason (that's also not false sense of security) to encrypt /boot
[16:17] <gt_> the reason it's encrypted boot is because it was all one partition to begin with, how easy is it to split the boot out into a separate partition?
[16:17] <gt_> and do I need a separate EFI and boot partition?
[16:17] <blackflow> gt_: you can shrink root (offline) and put /boot at the end.
[16:18] <blackflow> I think you don't _need_ it but it's usually a good practice to separate them
[16:18] <gt_> have some space between the LUKS root and the vfat EFI partition
[16:19] <blackflow> gt_: I'd recommend at least 500MB for /boot
[16:21] <sauna> I cannot get my mic to run on ubuntu 18 -.- all the questions related to it are outdated for 14 or 16 lts releases
[16:22] <gt_> Ok, I've created a 500mb ext4 boot partition
[16:22] <gt_> mounted to /boot, and then the efi partition mounted to /boot/efi
[16:23] <gt_> do I need to regenerate my fstab somehow?
[16:23] <gt_> and/or reinstall the kernel?
[16:23] <blackflow> gt_: only if you want /boot automounted
[16:24] <blackflow> gt_: well you need to populate /boot. you can reinstall the kernel _and_ grub (it's grub install that creates /boot/grub/..., and then grub-mkconfig does grub.cfg)
[16:24] <coconut> What is faster, a swap file or a swap partition?
[16:24] <blackflow> you can also copy everything from the old /boot
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> sauna: How did you come to the conclusion that the articles currently existing are out of date?
[16:25] <sauna> because they suggest everything to do with pulseaudio, I dont even have that
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: They are equially efficient, it is a personal preference on how you desire to setup swap on your system. For further disucssion please continue in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:25] <sauna> I have the base 18 lts with gnome, vanilla installation
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> sauna: Look for help with ALSA and microphone not working
[16:27] <coconut> thank you pragmaticenigma
[16:28] <sauna> pragmaticenigma do I have alsa then ?
[16:29] <sauna> what sound software do i have with ubuntu 18 ??
[16:32] <ezzieyguywuf> I'm trying to follow this guide to learn how to create a deb package on ppa: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html
[16:32] <ezzieyguywuf> however, my system runs gentoo not ubuntu, so I don't have access to pbuilder
[16:33] <ezzieyguywuf> is there another way that I can follow this guide on my gentoo system?
[16:34] <blackflow> ezzieyguywuf: chroot into a debootstrapped debian/ubuntu env?
[16:34] <blackflow> as a fellow gentooligan, that shouldn't be difficult to you ;)
[16:35] <gt_> blackflow: I've copied the old content to /boot and reinstalled grub, for generating the config, do I care about /boot/grub/grub.cfg or /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub/grub.cfg for grub-mkconfig?
[16:36] <blackflow> gt_: I'm not sure, I have very little exp on how EFI and grub interact.
[16:36] <gt_> okay I will generate both
[16:36] <blackflow> gt_: I think grub requires normal config files, so /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:37] <gt_> I've removed cryptodisk from the GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES and also removed GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y
[16:38] <gt_> added boot to the fstab
[16:38] <gt_> regenerated the grub configs
[16:38] <gt_> and updated initramfs
[16:38] <gt_> anything i've missed?
[16:38] <blackflow> gt_: initramfs first, grub second
[16:38] <gt_> ok
[16:38] <blackflow> (because grub autodetects vmlinuz + initramfs files for the menu)
[16:39] <gt_> ok I regenerated the grub configs
[16:39] <gt_> reboot time?
[16:40] <blackflow> gt_: yeah. if you 're on that computer right now, make sure you've got liveusb or something to pop back in here
[16:40] <gt_> got two computers, don't worry
[16:40] <blackflow> (ah it's not, because you couldn't get it runnig..... ignore me :)  )
[16:41] <ezzieyguywuf> blackflow: I was actually considering setting up a clean lubuntu install in a virtualbox
[16:41] <ezzieyguywuf> blackflow: but your way may be easier...
[16:42] <gt_> just a plain purple screen so far...
[16:42] <blackflow> too much work. the chroot works fine (I have one)
[16:42] <ezzieyguywuf> blackflow: are you saying that ubuntu provides something similar to the gentoo stage 3 tarball?
[16:42] <blackflow> ezzieyguywuf: yes, debootstrap it's called
[16:42] <ezzieyguywuf> ezzieyguywuf: ah, or just take an iso and mount it...
[16:42] <ezzieyguywuf> blackflow: got it, I'll do some searching
[16:42] <blackflow> ezzieyguywuf: it's a tool tho', not a tarball
[16:42] <ezzieyguywuf> hm, maybe the iso thing would be easier then?
[16:42] <lolcat-007> hello, is there a way to install a .deb with gdebi in kubuntu??
[16:42] <blackflow> ezzieyguywuf: work like emerge --root, but you also select release (like "bionic", etc...)
[16:43] <blackflow> ezzieyguywuf: emerge -va debootstrap and find some guides online on how to use it, it's a very simple tool, then chroot "the gentoo way" into it (meaning with devfs, procfs, sysfs)
[16:44] <ezzieyguywuf> blackflow: ok thanks
[16:44] <gt_> blackflow: seems to just be stuck on this purple screen, tab, e, esc, and enter all do nothing
[16:44] <gt_> getting back into chroot
[16:45] <blackflow> gt_: wait
[16:45] <blackflow> gt_: from the grub menu, remove "quiet splash" keywords from the kernel command line, try again, see the actual error
[16:46] <gt_> ooh after a reboot it gets to the grub menu, selecting Ubuntu no longer asks for the password, and it sits there for a bit before "Gave up waiting for root file system device"
[16:47] <blackflow> hrm... when you go back to chroot, please pastebin grub.cfg and output of blkid
[16:48] <blackflow> gt_: you can cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999     and the the same with blkid
[16:51] <gt_> blackflow: grub.cfg http://termbin.com/jta6 and blkid http://termbin.com/znei
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> sauna: I don't know for sure what the default is, I can't find documentation
[16:52] <brovoo> gt_: Do you have a problem with booting a system?
[16:54] <blackflow> gt_: and crypttab is listing /dev/sda7 right?
[16:54] <blackflow> gt_: oh btw, the LUKS container is (un)locked with a passphrase, not a keyfile, right?
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> !sound | sauna, this is all I can find at the moment
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> sauna: Another location for help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio
[16:56] <gt_> blackflow: crypttab http://termbin.com/44fe
[16:56] <gt_> and yes, passphrase
[16:57] <gt_> brovoo: Yes, the system was previously booting but I encrypted the root partition in place with LUKS
[16:57] <gt_> termbin is pretty handy
[16:58] <blackflow> gt_: well I thought maybe grub was misconfigured, but it seems all correct. valid uuid for /boot, valid uuid for (plaintext) root, crypttab has valid uuid too.
[16:59] <brovoo> gt_: I think a safe thing to do is chroot from a live setup, and decrypt things.
[17:00] <blackflow> gt_: so, from the beginning, if you unlock sda7 as "cryptroot" and then mount /dev/mapper/cryptroot to, say, /mnt and then put root filesystem there, mount devfs,procfs,sysfs, mount /boot to /mnt/boot, chroot into it, all you need is to install grub, install kernel, in that order, and it'll configure automagically
[17:00] <blackflow> brovoo: you're missing the full context and not helping.
[17:02] <gt_> grub is definitely installed, is it possible to reinstall the kernel without internet access? don't seem to have it in chroot
[17:05] <blackflow> gt_: sure, sould be in apt cache.     apt install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)-generic     if I'm not mistaken with the package name
[17:05] <blackflow> gt_: internet access in chroot is available, you just have to copy /etc/resolv.conf from the host
[17:05] <blackflow> (chroot is just a filesystem namespace)
[17:07] <gt_> reinstalled kernel, rebooted, same error with same UUID but doesn't ask for password
[17:08] <gt_> do i need to regenerate initramfs?
[17:11] <blackflow> gt_: installing grub and kernel from the chroot did all that
[17:11] <blackflow> so I'm not really sure now why it's not working, UNLESS it has something to do with EFI. I don't do EFI, and this procedure works for me just fine, all my machines are FDE
[17:20] <Bombo> hi
[17:20] <lotus|NUC> welcome Bombo
[17:21] <lotus|NUC> Bombo: what can we do for you?
[17:21] <Bombo> is there a way to get a newer version of pulseaudio than 8.0-0ubuntu3.10 for xenial?
[17:22] <lotus|NUC> pulseaudio snap Bombo
[17:22] <Bombo> lotus|NUC?
[17:22] <lotus|NUC> !snap | Bombo
[17:23] <blackflow> Bombo: snap install pulseaudio       but make sure you understand what this does, first. read the above link
[17:24] <lotus|NUC> Bombo: for common use, we try to advice package versions meant for your specific ubuntu version
[17:24] <Bombo> sounds good
[17:24] <lotus|NUC> Bombo: more expert use, you can try snaps, backports, proposed
[17:27] <lotus|NUC> Bombo: it might aswell be interesting knowing why you need a higher version? perhaps volunteers can help you?
[17:27] <Bombo> lotus|NUC: i can't get mono audio files to play
[17:28] <Bombo> paplay mono.wav == silence
[17:28] <Bombo> without pulseaudio aplay mono.wav == noise
[17:29] <Bombo> so i thought it might be pa
[17:30] <lotus|NUC> !info pavucontrol | Bombo as a second test?
[17:31] <Bombo> lotus|NUC: nothing helped in pavucontrol
[17:32] <blackflow> Bombo: pasuspend aplay mono.wav    works?
[17:35] <Bombo> blackflow: yes
[17:35] <Bombo> $ snap refresh pulseaudio --beta
[17:35] <Bombo> pulseaudio (beta) 8.0-4 from Canonical✓ refreshed
[17:35] <blackflow> then pulseaudio it is.
[17:35] <Bombo> a bit newer lol
[17:35] <Bombo> stable is 8.0-3
[17:36] <blackflow> I hope you realize that newer is more likely to be buggy. so I'm not sure you're not just swapping out one buggy implementation for another, maybe buggier.
[17:37] <Bombo> on my other computer i got debian with pa 10 it works there
[17:37] <Bombo> its probably old too lol
[17:38] <Bombo> 2018-07-16: PulseAudio 12.2 has been released.
[17:38] <dilly_dilly> Why would a cron scheduled to run every minute miss some minutes?
[17:39] <Bombo> $ snap refresh --list
[17:39] <Bombo> All snaps up to date.
[17:39] <Bombo> that means there are no newer versions of pa than 8.x?
[17:39] <lolcat-007> hello, the battery widget on kubuntu disappear how can i solved that
[17:39] <blackflow> lol, edge is 11 months old.  yeah, methinks that's just another abandonware.
[17:39] <lolcat-007> ?
[17:39] <blackflow> so much for snaps.
[17:40] <tomreyn> dilly_dilly: cpu busy / no cycles available on a VM.
[17:40] <Bombo> hmm are there backports of the bionic version of pulseaudio?
[17:41] <dilly_dilly> tomreyn: so just increase resources should help my situation?
[17:41] <Bombo> i got a bionic pc too where pa does play mono.wav
[17:41] <ovrh> Hey guys, how do I start Ubuntu installation with the "nomodeset" option? Where in the installer can I set those options?
[17:41] <tomreyn> dilly_dilly: maybe. also time keeping issues could cause this.
[17:41] <dilly_dilly> tomreyn: For example?  How would I test a time keeping issue?
[17:42] <tomreyn> dilly_dilly: insppect the network time protocol clients' statistics over time.
[17:43] <tomreyn> dilly_dilly: also the hardware clocks'
[17:43] <dilly_dilly> tomreyn: thank you!
[17:43] <tomreyn> dilly_dilly: about cpu resources / cycles, you'd do the same: keep monitoring it.
[17:44] <Sir_Andrei> Hi people.
[17:45] <tomreyn> obviously monitoring wont work if no process can be spawned / forked / no cpu cycles are available, but you'll see this as missing data for the report period.
[17:46] <Bombo> $ apt-get install -t xenial-backports pulseaudio
[17:46] <Bombo> pulseaudio is already the newest version (1:8.0-0ubuntu3.10).
[17:46] <Bombo> ;/
[17:47] <tomreyn> ovrh: i'm not aware of a way to configure it in the installer itself for the installation it creates, but you can manually set it on your first boot into the installed system, by editing the grub configuration at boot, then, once booted, make it permanent by adding it to /etc/default/grub
[17:47] <tomreyn> !latest | Bombo
[17:48] <ovrh> tomreyn, How would I set it in the grub conf? Just "nomodeset=true"?
[17:48] <Bombo> tomreyn: i need it for a bug fix
[17:48] <Bombo> !backports
[17:49] <Bombo> !ppa
[17:50] <Bombo> is there a ppa for pulseaudio?
[17:50] <Bombo> ah https://launchpad.net/~vanvugt/+archive/ubuntu/pulseaudio
[17:51] <Bombo> pa 10.x
[17:51] <tomreyn> ovrh: you'd hold down shift or (repeatedly) press escape to bring up the grub menu at boot, press 'e' to edit the main / default grub menu entry, then look for the line starting 'linux' and add just "nomodeset" (without the quotation marks) just before the two dashes ("--") or to the end of the line (if no dashes present)
[17:51] <tomreyn> ...then press ctrl-x or F10 to boot it
[17:53] <Bombo> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/vanvugt/pulseaudio/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[17:53] <tomreyn> ovrh: this is for a one-time change during the current boot. if you were asking about how to make it permanent, you'd add "nomodeset" (without the quotes to the end of the string assigned to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable
[17:54] <ovrh> tomreyn, That worked! It was freezing right after putting in the password and logging in, now it actually started. Thank you so much :)
[17:54] <ovrh> Could you point me to the documentation for this nomodeset flag, to know if I actually will need it forever even after installing the drivers?
[17:54] <tomreyn> Bombo: if there's a bug, search whether it has already been filed and add to it if you can add any new info. if not, file a new bug report.
[17:55] <tomreyn> !bug | Bombo
[17:55] <tomreyn> ovrh: you're welcome, glad i could help.
[18:22] <piraye> hi guys!
[18:24] <piraye> I have been using amazon free trial for linux and I have setup it, but when I try to use apt-get to install my programs there is no apt-get
[18:24] <piraye> how can I install it
[18:24] <piraye> anyone have any idea
[18:25] <piraye> [root@ip-172-31-22-219 ~]# which apt-get
[18:25] <vlouvet> piraye, try 'apt' instead of apt-get
[18:25] <vlouvet> without quotes of course
[18:25] <rfm> piraye, did you boot a ubuntu image?   I think the default option is Amazon's private label linux (which is a RH derivative)
[18:25] <piraye> also there is no apt
[18:26] <piraye> yeah
[18:26] <vlouvet> if it is not a debian derivitive, you must find out what package manager (if any) is in use
[18:29] <piraye> i think it is not debian derivitive, I just try to setup linux tutorial
[18:29] <piraye> https://aws.amazon.com/getting-started/tutorials/launch-a-virtual-machine/
[18:30] <piraye> then I chose this one Amazon Linux AMI 2018.03.0 (HVM), SSD Volume Type - ami-a0cfeed8
[18:30] <rfm> piraye, that tutorial has you select "Amazon Linux AMI" which is not ubuntu.
[18:30] <piraye> then I can not use it
[18:30] <rfm> piraye, hence you are not using ubuntu and can't expect much help from the #ubuntu channel...
[18:31] <piraye> how can I try it then
[18:31] <piraye> I see
[18:32] <piraye> and is there any way for using ubuntu here
[18:33] <rfm> piraye, when you launch the VM choose one of the Ubuntu images instead.
[18:34] <Bashing-om> piraye: Make up and boot a liveUSB ? What is your use case ?
[18:35] <piraye> then I should lanuch new one
[18:36] <piraye> I dont understand what is  difference between linux and ubuntu
[18:36] <lobata> piraye: try ##linux
[18:36] <bailroc> what...
[18:36] <piraye> I already using linux
[18:36] <lobata> ubuntu is a type of linux, linux has many distrobutions
[18:36] <vlouvet> linux is a family of operating systems. ubuntu is a type of linux OS. the amazon linux AMI is a different type of linux OS
[18:37] <lobata> piraye type /join ##linux and ask there
[18:37] <blackflow> linux is a kernel. I think you mean GNU/Linux, if I may interject for a moment.
[18:37] <lobata> that's off topic :P
[18:38] <blackflow> is it not part of Ubuntu support to describe what Ubuntu is?
[18:38] <bailroc> did he try the yum cmmand?
[18:38] <piraye> then apt-get not working with linux just with ubuntu
[18:39] <bailroc> type in 'yum'
[18:39] <blackflow> piraye: apt and apt-get are package managers on debian derivatives, ubuntu included.
[18:39] <lobata> yeah it's yum which is not ubuntu
[18:39] <bailroc> does that get you anything?
[18:40] <piraye> bailroc why you are nervous for my questions
[18:40] <lobata> correct. apt-get / apt does not work with all linuxes, just ubuntu/debian/mint etc. not redhat/etc
[18:40] <bailroc> well, I'm not nervous at all, i'm asking you type in a command to see what it gives you..
[18:41] <bailroc> I know how to run *nix, have been for the past 14 years..
[18:41] <piraye> with yum I couldn't install very thing
[18:41] <piraye> *every,
[18:41] <bailroc> okay, so yum didn't work?
[18:41] <piraye> work but not will all programs
[18:41] <lobata> compile from source
[18:42] <bailroc> okay, so asking for CentOS help in Ubuntu is the wrong spot
[18:42] <bailroc> Amazon is based of CentOS
[18:42] <bailroc> Amazon Linux is relatively poorly documented. Because it's somewhat based on Centos sometimes that information works, but there's a lot less information than for say Ubuntu. My prod servers run on AL but I'd use Ubuntu LTS next time. – Tim Aug 22 '16 at 20:02
[18:42] <piraye> I will try new launch with ubuntu
[18:42] <lobata> piraye: ubuntu is free too. try that instead
[18:43] <lobata> no "free trial". just free.
[18:43] <bailroc> Amazon product is geared towards their infrastructure, not great for anyone that is just learning.
[18:44] <lobata> then we can help you :)
[18:44] <bailroc> besides why the frick you want to Amazon anyways?
[18:44] <hggdh> bailroc: please keep on topic
[18:45] <bailroc> ?
[18:45] <lobata> i'm guessing  he just saw free trial and clicked. and is now interested in linux. that's kind of awesome
[18:45] <piraye> I am going to use ubuntu
[18:46] <bailroc> Ubuntu is the 'friendlist' version to work with
[18:46] <piraye> no just want it
[18:47] <lobata> ah. well good. ubuntu is a fine linux distribution
[18:48] <bailroc> it's all good until he install the GUI...
[18:49] <kinghat> when you create a shortcut of a website to desktop in chrome, it also shows up under chrome apps. where does it get stored locally(not the desktop shortcut)?
[18:51] <higherorder> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rfdJ9THs/
[18:51] <higherorder> hello! I got myself into a mess of nvidia drivers that I can't seem to be able to get out of. Ideally I would want to completely uninstall anything nvidia related (nvidia and) cuda and re-install, but I am getting errors such as the one in the snippet above  ^
[18:52] <higherorder> could anyone give me advice?
[18:56] <masterboy> hi guys :) I have a problem zstd does not work with zram on ubuntu 18.04. The issue and the solution is here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/421347/is-zstd-for-zram-actually-available-in-linux-4-15 https://lkml.org/lkml/headers/2018/2/9/771
[18:57] <masterboy> does anyone know if this is fixed upstream or if ubuntu is going to fix this?
[18:57] <masterboy> I don't realy want to mess with kernel recompiling...
[18:57] <masterboy> just using the vanilla ubuntu 18.04 lts... w
[19:04] <masterboy> nice it seems the channel is quite laid back :)
[19:04] <masterboy> no people shouting :)
[19:10] <johnnyfive> Hello, I have two ubuntu boxes. One pulls Translation-en when performing an 'apt update', the other doesn't. I need to reproduce this behavior. What config causes apt to download translations?
[19:12] <fling> How to use snap without apparmor?
[19:13] <fling> I'm trying to use snap in lxd and getting apparmor errors
[19:16] <fling> cannot load apparmor profile: exit status 243
[20:00] <linuxlove> hello guys
[20:00] <linuxlove> when i browse some websites i get this ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED in my browser
[20:00] <linuxlove> how can i fix this ?
[20:01] <ikonia> the website is refusing you
[20:01] <linuxlove> ikonia, yesss
[20:01] <linuxlove> and why ?
[20:01] <ikonia> the error message normally tells you
[20:01] <ikonia> if the website is blocking you, you'd need to ask them
[20:01] <linuxlove> it is not about an especial website
[20:02] <ikonia> what website is it ?
[20:02] <linuxlove> i get this for some websites
[20:03] <linuxlove> quora.com
[20:03] <linuxlove> youtube.com
[20:03] <rypervenche> linuxlove: O_O long time no see
[20:04] <ikonia> so that looks like it's behind a WAF, are you using anything like tor to try to hide your identity
[20:04] <linuxlove> im using shadowsocks
[20:04] <ikonia> youtube - different thing
[20:04] <ikonia> linuxlove: ok, so it's possible they are blocking that
[20:04] <ikonia> some WAF's will block known masking services
[20:04] <linuxlove> i see this Local socket: The remote host closed the connection
[20:04] <linuxlove> but
[20:04] <linuxlove> it was okay on 16.04
[20:04] <ikonia> talk to your socks administrator, see if he can get any better detail out of the logs
[20:05] <linuxlove> last night i upgraded to 18.04
[20:05] <linuxlove> this problem occured
[20:05] <linuxlove> im redirectiong whole traffic to an especial port
[20:06] <linuxlove> and im using redsocks
[20:06] <linuxlove> i dont know what is wrong in 18.04
[20:06] <ikonia> so you're using 2 socks services
[20:06] <ikonia> debug it then
[20:06] <ikonia> try not using a socks service for starters to validate it's the problem
[20:06] <ikonia> (why would you need a socks serice for http browsing?)
[20:06] <linuxlove> i am using dnscrypt-proxy also
[20:07] <ikonia> sounds totally over the top
[20:07] <linuxlove> its all because i live where it is limited internally and externally
[20:07] <ikonia> sounds like you're proxying everything through multiple tools
[20:08] <linuxlove> ikonia, yess
[20:08] <linuxlove> but everything changed after upgrade
[20:08] <ikonia> debug it then
[20:08] <linuxlove> i can access some websites
[20:08] <ikonia> strip it back as much as posible to find the problem
[20:08] <ikonia> view the logs to try to get debug info
[20:08] <linuxlove> i just see  Local socket: The remote host closed the connection
[20:08] <linuxlove>  
[20:09] <linuxlove> from shadowsocks
[20:09] <ikonia> right, but you've already told me you're using another socks service at the same time
[20:09] <ikonia> which I can only assume you are chaining
[20:09] <linuxlove> yess
[20:09] <linuxlove> it is redsocks
[20:09] <ikonia> why are you using 2 socks servers ?
[20:09] <linuxlove> it is just a service
[20:10] <linuxlove> im using redsocks for multiple redirection to an especial port
[20:10] <ikonia> why ?
[20:10] <linuxlove> it is just a service
[20:10] <ikonia> you're already running a socks service
[20:10] <ikonia> why are you using 2
[20:11] <linuxlove> because shadowsocks is running on an especial port and redsocks is just a service that create a bridge for iptables
[20:12] <ikonia> again, why are you using 2 socks servers
[20:12] <linuxlove> redsocks is just a service
[20:12] <linuxlove> as a bridge
[20:12] <ikonia> you keep saying that - but not answering the question
[20:13] <linuxlove> let me show you
[20:13] <ikonia> show me what ?
[20:13] <ikonia> I just need you to answer the question "why are you using 2 socks services"
[20:15] <linuxlove> ikonia, https://www.paste.org/95390
[20:15] <linuxlove> it is what i use for redsocks
[20:15] <ikonia> so ?
[20:15] <ikonia> you're still using 2 socks servers
[20:15] <ikonia> "why are you using 2 socks servers"
[20:15] <linuxlove> and shadowsocks is running on 1080 local port
[20:16] <ikonia> right, "why are you using 2 socks servers"
[20:16] <linuxlove> i dont know exactly
[20:16] <linuxlove> but it is working
[20:16] <linuxlove> it is just what i can say
[20:16] <ikonia> not good enough
[20:16] <ikonia> "I don't know why I'm doing this"
[20:16] <ikonia> you set it up,
[20:17] <linuxlove> i just see it is working with iptables
[20:17] <linuxlove> it is for a long time ago
[20:17] <linuxlove> i set it up
[20:17] <linuxlove> one day i was really tired from limitations
[20:18] <linuxlove> i decided to create something survive me from that
[20:18] <linuxlove> and it was working on 16.04
[20:18] <linuxlove> but for now
[20:19] <linuxlove> i dont know what should i do
[20:19] <ikonia> you have no idea what you've set up or why, I"m out
[20:19] <linuxlove> i remember i searched so much for that
[20:19] <linuxlove> but i never tried for set it up again
[20:19] <linuxlove> as it was working great
[20:20] <linuxlove> when power on my system i just ran 2 services and some rules in iptables and i started working
[20:22] <linuxlove> ikonia,
[20:22] <linuxlove> you are out ?
[20:22] <ikonia> yes
[20:23] <linuxlove> okay
[20:58] <kinghat> anyone know where 18.10 put the samba dir?
[21:00] <kinghat> its appears its no longer /etc/samba
[21:00] <kinghat> searching for 'samba' in the file manager isnt turning up anything
[21:01] <kinghat> or my credentials file that i had their before the upgrade.
[21:02] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Might ask in #ubuntu+1 .
[21:02] <guiverc> kinghat: 18.10 is off-topic here (#ubuntu+1), but have you looked at `dpkg -L samba-common` to see where files go when installed (or appropriate file; I'm guessing samba-common)
[21:03] <Bashing-om> !18.10
[21:16] <malgorath> Not sure if I ask this here, but its a start, I have 18.04 installed and trying to get lxc to work and I'm having issues getting it up and running. i keep getting failed to start as the message. I am running this as non-root user as unprivileged
[21:24] <SuntopK> I have a silly question. For some reason I have 2 workspaces besides the main one and I do not know how to get rid of the extra desktops
[21:26] <guiverc> malgorath: if you don't get an answer here, you could try #ubuntu-server maybe  (I'd still wait here awhile before jumping..)
[21:27] <guiverc> SuntopK: you didn't say your version of Ubuntu, but have you looked in tweaks  (I use xubuntu, so it's workspaces for me)
[21:28] <SuntopK> Oh sorry 18.04.1
[21:29] <guiverc> I'd look in gnome-tweaks then (can't recall if it's installed by default; it may not be)
[21:30] <SuntopK> okay I saw that but I thought there was a key combo I can use to get rid of them I will install that. I rather not install more than I need. Thank  you
[21:31] <guiverc> :)   (on installing only what you need; yeah it's in universe  (community-supported); sorry if there's another way I don't know it)
[21:35] <SuntopK> Okay thank you
[21:37] <SuntopK> I got more fine control of my mouse too. :) Thank you for the help guiverc  I just fixed to static (1) and mouse to flat so it does not fly across the screen at the slowest setting.
[21:38] <malgorath> guiverc, thanks for the tip I'll ty there
[21:38] <guiverc> you're most welcome   (I like tweak tools; unity, gnome...)
[21:40] <SuntopK> The Dark Mode is pleasant
[21:42] <piraye> hi, when I try copy file from my pc linux into server ubuntu by using this command sevilay@sevilay-linux:~$ sudo scp /home/sevilay/Normalisek/kenlm/build/wiki.txt root@34.219.40.90:/root/Normalization/kenlm/build  give me this error  'Permission denied (publickey)'.
[21:42] <piraye> any idea please!
[21:45] <renn0xtk9> on Kubunut I have exfat-utils and exfat-fuse installed. when I do mount -t exfat /dev/sdb /media/VMStore it says ERROR eXFat file system is not found
[21:50] <SuntopK> I have to admit, the tech support for Linux Distros Expecially this one (including community on the web) is so much better, Microsoft and Apple cannot even compare at all.
[21:57] <guiverc> SuntopK: GNU/Linux & Ubuntu (my preference) is a lot about community (good & bad), but I've been impressed too :)
[21:59] <renn0xtk9> well but when it comes to exfat harddrive, it is not about reliability ^^
[22:14] <Greyztar> anyone knows what cloud-init service is used for in ubuntu 18?
[22:24] <Greyztar> purged it,system boots about a minute faster and no errors feelsgoodman
[22:25] <Greyztar> anyone know what to look for when motd mot showing?service says masked,i disabled and enabled the scripts which generates the dynamic motd and now its completely off
[22:25] <Greyztar> not*
[22:28] <compdoc> how are you trying to see it
[22:31] <Greyztar> compdoc: right,sshd conf i forgot check brb
[22:39] <petro> I would like to troubleshoot a computer problem.... can anyone tell me how to slow my start up message screen....sometimes, when I have to hard reset/restart, there is error messages but it runs down the screen too quickly
[22:39] <petro> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04, w. Gnome
[22:41] <gostforest> hey
[22:41] <geirha> petro: less -r /var/log/boot.log    do you see those errors there?
[22:41] <gostforest> so firefox hasstarted crashing my computer after 30 mins or so
[22:41] <gostforest> maybe more like an hour or 2
[22:43] <petro> hold on, let me check
[22:43] <gostforest> and yes, my computer meets over min specs so nothing abt the computer itself except its old
[22:45] <petro> I don't see anything that helps
[23:45] <guiverc> gostforest: I'd looked at your addons/extensions; remove all & see if it still crashes, if okay then you can add back minimum you require... suggestion/guess only
[23:46] <leonardus> Is there software like this for ubuntu? https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/ghost_it.html