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lubot<TheWendyPower> So for this "how to " video @wxl Wal through every step, from ssh key to arc diff or arc land?00:06
lubot<TheWendyPower> for the manual00:07
wxl@TheWendyPower i think that would be really cool but for our purposes in this case-- the manual-- make it as simple as possible. it should be nothing more than git pulling, making changes, and arc diffing. that means that some setup pieces are unnecessary00:07
lubot<TheWendyPower> So you dn't need the key for the manual.00:08
wxlnot if you use the http00:08
wxlbut you may need it to arc00:08
* wxl can't remember00:08
wxllet me see00:08
wxli don't think you do. man i'm almost sure of it00:09
wxllet's say you don't00:10
wxlyou know what you should do? actually submit a change to the manual yourself00:10
wxlthat would be the perfect example00:10
lubot<tsimonq2> HTTPS doesn't need a key, SSH does.00:10
wxlcan be a stupid thing-- change spelling or fix punctuation00:11
lubot<HMollerCl> @wxl I have installe like 5 times since yesterday and haven't have issues with my country being not in your list00:15
wxlexcellent @HMollerCl!00:15
lubot<HMollerCl> In ssdm always de default language shown is us/english00:16
lubot<TheWendyPower> 2wxl taht was my plan. I figured it would be easier to go through it step by step, then just kind of show it.00:17
lubot<HMollerCl> after you put your password and enter, it change to the one you have defined. Not big issue, just someone might want to chaneg it00:17
lubot<TheWendyPower> So I guess I need to see how to change the SDDM language.00:19
lubot<HMollerCl> I will make a video to show you00:19
lubot<TheWendyPower> Awesome!00:19
lubot<HMollerCl> @TheWendyPower [Awesome!], it change while I'm entering the password, I don't think is something to bother01:02
lubot<TheWendyPower> OK01:06
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS1364462c8656: fix check for EFI architecture] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS1364462c865601:40
lubot<tsimonq2> And you tested it before committing it RIGHT WXL? :)01:41
wxldon't be a dumb bum01:41
lubot<tsimonq2> YOU'RE THE QA TEAM LEAD THAT DOESN'T TEST BEFORE SHIPPING01:42
lubot<tsimonq2> XD01:42
wxluh huh01:42
lubot<tsimonq2> Yuuup01:43
lubot<tsimonq2> :P01:43
mpmcHows 18.10 coming folks?01:51
lubot<tsimonq2> Good 👍02:01
lubot<tsimonq2> Aaaand they're gone :)02:02
lubot<marneu> Quick question: I just filed a bug report on Trojita (it's crashing a lot) on launchpad; should I subscribe anyone to this or does this already reach the appropriate people as-is?02:03
lubot<tsimonq2> @marneu [Quick question: I just filed a bug report on Trojita (it's crashing a lot) on la …], Subscribe the Lubuntu Packages Team, myself and Walter optionally, and link it here? :)02:04
lubot<marneu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trojita/+bug/179766502:05
lubot<tsimonq2> Cool02:06
wxlum @tsimonq2 wth happened with my proposal.. it seems to have become a totally different diff https://code.launchpad.net/~wxl/ubuntu/+source/casper/+git/casper/+ref/ubuntu/devel03:07
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> um @tsimonq2 wth happened with my proposal.. it seems to have become a tot …], Why would you do it against that repo?03:07
lubot<tsimonq2> That's totally wrong. :P03:08
wxlcuz that's the freaking one, is it not??03:08
lubot<tsimonq2> Wait03:08
wxlhttps://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/tree/scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser#n8103:08
lubot<tsimonq2> Waaaat in tarnation03:09
wxlright????03:09
lubot<tsimonq2> OH03:09
lubot<tsimonq2> This is with all the git ubuntu stuff03:09
lubot<tsimonq2> I defer to rbasak and nacc XD03:10
wxloh well03:10
wxli'll just kill it i gues....... sigh03:10
lubot<tsimonq2> Also, uhm dude, wrong calamares.desktop path03:10
lubot<tsimonq2> The one in /home/lubuntu/Desktop is not a symlink to /usr/share/applications03:11
lubot<tsimonq2> It's installed to /etc/skel by calamares-settings-lubuntu and then copied over on first login XD03:11
lubot<tsimonq2> So you're going to have to set the one in /etc/skel to be trusted, assuming this is before user initialization03:12
lubot<tsimonq2> wxl: So you need a new diff anyway :)03:14
lubot<Wafficus> Hey can anyone help me figure out why my old laptop won't even direct connect even with a wired connection?03:16
lubot<Wafficus> Just installed the alternate 32 bit version and it worked fine with eth0 aka just a straight plug to the router03:16
lubot<Wafficus> Idk how to make it look for any routers nearby wirelessly unless the 802.12b/g wireless lan isn't supported03:17
lubot<Wafficus> It's on an Acer Aspire 3690-2519   With 512 meg ram03:17
wxl@tsimonq2: postinst then it seems03:20
wxl@Wafficus: you blocked at all? see `rfkill`03:20
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: postinst then it seems], Maybe03:20
lubot<tsimonq2> YOU BETTER TEST IT FIRST THOUGH03:20
wxl@tsimonq2: this is a gio file attribute, which is to say it's not stored in the file itself exactly, but in the virtual file system03:20
wxlcopying the file is not sufficient03:21
lubot<tsimonq2> Bah wtf03:21
lubot<Wafficus> It says 0 wlan Acer-wireless unblocked unblocked03:21
wxl@Wafficus pastebin up `lspci -nnk`03:21
lubot<Wafficus> Well I can't really pastebin it cause no internet on it but I'll let you know what I got03:22
wxluse a usb03:22
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: this is a gio file attribute, which is to say it's not stored i …], Can gio forcefully set attributes on invalid paths? What about if we put it somewhere and then symlinked? Does it carry across symlinks?03:22
wxllet me see03:22
lubot<tsimonq2> Go test all of it :)03:23
lubot<Wafficus> (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/rvRHxJg.jpg03:23
lubot<Wafficus> (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/VWE864A.jpg03:23
lubot<Wafficus> Those are the two pics I could take to make it easy I guess03:23
lubot<Wafficus> I have no idea what any of it means tbh03:24
lubot<tsimonq2> Ah this is 18.04 :)03:24
lubot<Wafficus> Yeah not beta. I wanted something stable for this old 512 meg ram laptop03:24
lubot<Wafficus> Runs lubuntu pretty good imo and it's on alternate. Still impressed03:25
lubot<tsimonq2> 👍03:25
lubot<Wafficus> It's this internet issue idk how to deal with :/03:25
wxl@tsimonq2: yes but it seems an absolute path is required03:27
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: yes but it seems an absolute path is required], That's no problem03:27
wxl@Wafficus your problem is you have a broadcom chip03:28
lubot<Wafficus> Ah dang03:28
wxl!b4303:28
ubot93Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx03:28
wxlyou have a BCM4318 14e4:431803:28
lubot<Wafficus> That link doesn't work03:29
lubot<Wafficus> But I hear ya. Gotcha so it's the lan card. I wonder how I can fix this with no internet lol03:29
wxli'm talking about the wifi card03:29
lubot<Wafficus> Wifi card sorry yeay03:30
lubot<Wafficus> Yeah03:30
lubot<tsimonq2> Do some testing maybe with setting the attributes on e.g. absolute path /home/lubuntu/Desktop/test.desktop, moving /home/lubuntu/Desktop/calamares.desktop there, and checking if the attributes stuck.03:30
lubot<tsimonq2> wxl ^03:30
wxloh i did a change on the symlink03:30
wxlwait you're saying the same thing03:31
lubot<tsimonq2> No, dude, on the live instance calamares.desktop isn't a symlink.03:32
lubot<tsimonq2> I'm saying set the attributes on a test file before copying calamares.desktop over and trying it.03:32
wxlso you're saying i set the attributes on a file and then overwrite it? that's not going to work.03:33
lubot<tsimonq2> The test file doesn't exist03:34
lubot<Wafficus> It's bcm44002 actually after doing: lspci -vvnn | grep -A 9 Network03:34
lubot<tsimonq2> Don't create the file03:34
lubot<tsimonq2> Try setting attributes on the file that doesn't exist.03:34
wxlthat's the ethernet @Wafficus03:34
wxlthen it will do nothing03:34
lubot<tsimonq2> Then put calamares.desktop over the ghost file.03:35
lubot<Wafficus> Dang03:35
lubot<tsimonq2> @Wafficus maybe take this to https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support so I can yell at wxl XD03:35
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> then it will do nothing], So unlike what you said above, setting the attributes on a file that does not exist then making that file exist will not work?03:36
wxlit won't03:36
wxlif you're saying to do this:03:36
lubot<Wafficus> It says bcm4318 for lan03:36
wxlgio set /path/to/file/that/does/not/exist metadata::trust true03:36
lubot<Wafficus> (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/AaPFosO.jpg03:37
lubot<tsimonq2> @Wafficus [It says bcm4318 for lan], https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support - please :)03:37
lubot<tsimonq2> The two conversations going on at the same time isn't working03:37
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> gio set /path/to/file/that/does/not/exist metadata::trust true], That's what I'm saying03:37
lubot<tsimonq2> Does that work or does it not?03:37
wxlabsolutely not03:38
wxlno more than chmod'ing a file that doesn't exist doesn't work03:38
lubot<tsimonq2> Ah, I thought stupid gio was stupid for a second.03:38
lubot<tsimonq2> Cool.03:38
lubot<tsimonq2> One more thing.03:38
lubot<tsimonq2> Try setting attributes on calamares.desktop and then symlinking it somewhere else (ideally not in the same directory so it's not ambiguous in pcmanfm-qt) but then navigating to it in pcmanfm-qt and seeing if it carried over.03:39
wxlso, e.g.:03:40
wxlgio set /home/lubuntu/Desktop/calamares.desktop metadata::trust true03:40
wxlln -s /home/lubuntu/Desktop/calamares.desktop /home/lubuntu/Desktop/testy.desktop03:40
wxl?03:41
lubot<tsimonq2> No, send it to e.g. Downloads so it's not ambiguous03:41
lubot<tsimonq2> Because they'll look like two duplicate icons side by side03:41
wxlok03:41
lubot<tsimonq2> Otherwise, yes.03:41
wxlnope03:45
wxlit needs to be set on the symlink03:46
wxlit seems like it may even be possible to set it only on the symlink03:46
wxl1s03:46
lubot<tsimonq2> What the actual freaking heck03:47
lubot<tsimonq2> Yeah no, this has to be hacked with casper if it's going to be that dumb :)03:47
wxlyep03:49
wxlif the target is untrusted and the symlink is trusted, you can open the symlink but not the target03:49
lubot<tsimonq2> gio is already installed on the live system, yes?03:49
wxlyeah i'm using it03:49
wxlit's pretty darn essential that03:49
lubot<tsimonq2> You were on the right track with your casper diff, but instead of installing to /etc/skel/Desktop/calamares.desktop we should install to /usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop03:51
lubot<tsimonq2> We can then add it to this casper line03:51
wxlso change the .install in calasettings03:51
lubot<tsimonq2> Right.03:51
wxlok03:52
lubot<tsimonq2> I might have had to put a mkdir line in debian/rules03:52
lubot<tsimonq2> Fix that too if it's there.03:52
wxlwhat would we have to mkdir? /usr/share/applications should certainly be there03:53
lubot<tsimonq2> Then remove the line03:53
lubot<tsimonq2> And if it's in a stanza by itself, remove the stanza.03:53
wxli think you misunderstand03:53
wxldebian/rules has nothing related to either that folder or desktop files at all03:54
lubot<tsimonq2> Then ignore me :)03:54
lubot<tsimonq2> Just fix the install file03:54
wxlW: calamares-settings-ubuntu source: debian-rules-sets-dpkg-architecture-variable DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH (line 3)03:56
wxlE: calamares-settings-ubuntu source: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any calamares-settings-lubuntu -> calamares-settings-ubuntu-common03:56
lubot<tsimonq2> Ignore both03:56
wxlthe error????03:56
wxlthis is new stuff and i'm sure of it03:56
lubot<tsimonq2> Yup03:56
lubot<tsimonq2> No it isn't03:56
wxl-lubuntu/calamares.desktop etc/skel/Desktop/03:56
wxl+lubuntu/calamares.desktop usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop03:56
wxlthat's the diff in the .install03:56
lubot<tsimonq2> Right03:57
wxloh you're right that's old after all03:57
wxlhuh not sure why i didn't notice03:57
wxlshould i bother resolving those?03:57
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSabc1aafe3385: fix location of installer .desktop] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSabc1aafe338503:58
lubot<tsimonq2> We don't really care about binNMUs in Ubuntu. In Debian instead of making a source change to the package to trigger binary rebuilds, they just manually trigger the binary rebuilds with +b103:58
lubot<tsimonq2> But we strictly version that intentionally03:58
lubot<tsimonq2> So don't worry about it03:58
lubot<tsimonq2> Otherwise wxl just make sure debhelper isn't stupid and tries to install to /usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop/calamares.desktop (which it could very well do)04:00
lubot<tsimonq2> If it does that, remove the "lubuntu-calamares.desktop" string from the install file and rename the file.04:01
lubot<tsimonq2> (adjusting the install file if necessary)04:01
lubot<tsimonq2> So please please please do test builds :)04:02
lubot<tsimonq2> sbuild locally is easy04:02
lubot<tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild04:02
lubot<tsimonq2> Got it wxl?04:04
wxlyeah04:05
lubot<tsimonq2> Cool. I'm about to hit the hay but that all should be self explanatory if you put a little elbow grease and brain power into it. :)04:06
lubot<tsimonq2> Let me know if you get stuck with any of it.04:07
wxlk04:07
wxlare we going to need to remove that desktop file somewhere?04:11
wxl^^ @tsimonq2 04:11
lubot<tsimonq2> ...wat?04:12
wxlwill removing the package also remove the calamares-lubuntu.desktop or do we need to explicitly do it?04:13
wxlfor the installed system04:13
lubot<tsimonq2> Calamares removes that, but if you rename the file in the package you also have to rename the file in the Calamares module removing it.04:14
wxlso yes we have to explicitly remove it04:14
lubot<tsimonq2> Yeah, although it's a one liner in a Calamares module.04:15
lubot<tsimonq2> Anyway, bed for real.04:15
wxlk04:16
wxlit installs but doesn't seem to make lubuntu-calamares.desktop04:24
wxlnevermind it works04:42
wxl@tsimonq2: i'm going to be gone pretty much all day tomorrow so i'm going to leave finishing this up to you, especially given we will need to coordinate both changes. one is here https://launchpad.net/~wxl/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages and one here https://code.launchpad.net/~wxl/ubuntu/+source/casper/+git/casper/+ref/ubuntu/devel04:44
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS74419de5941e: cleanup after new install file location] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS74419de5941e04:51
wxl@tsimonq2: actually that's the final fix https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS74419de5941e04:51
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0b0c46f12667: Add a few autostart docs.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0b0c46f1266707:42
ginggswxl, tsimonq2: dh-exec might be useful for renaming lubuntu-calamares.desktop09:16
lubot<marneu> Since I installed the latest daily, should I add my results to the iso tracker (iso.qa.ubuntu.com)? I made a launchpad account to report the trojita segfault, so I thought "why not".13:57
lubot<marneu> Related: The bug reporting guides say that application crashes should be reported automatically by apport, but I couldn't see any indication of that actually happening (no popup window etc).13:58
lubot<tsimonq2> @marneu [Since I installed the latest daily, should I add my results to the iso tracker ( …], Please 👍14:16
lubot<tsimonq2> @marneu [Related: The bug reporting guides say that application crashes should be reporte …], Hmm, interesting14:16
wxlginggs: yeah, that's certainly an option, too, but it seems to me that what we did is working14:33
lubot<tsimonq2> wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/179769414:42
wxlum, look again14:43
lubot<tsimonq2> <3 @marneu14:44
wxl@marneu you can save yourself some trouble sometimes by searching for similar bugs in the future. that said, do not hesitate to file a bug because you're not sure. thanks again!14:45
lubot<marneu> @wxl [<wxl> @marneu you can save yourself some trouble sometimes by searching for simi …], yeah I saw that only after submitting the report; launchpad can be a bit weird to navigate. sorry for duplicate!14:48
lubot<tsimonq2> No worries 👍14:49
wxl@marneu like i said, no problem.. just trying to look out for your time :)14:49
wxl@tsimonq2: i'm leaving in about a minute and like i said gone for the most of the day so can you please get those changes uploaded that we discused last night?15:01
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm leaving in about a minute and like i said gone for the most …], Sure15:23
lubot<HMollerCl> Just found out that the installation slideshow isn't translated. I mean the sentences like "surf the web"", "productivity suite", "make  it better", "find us", "get stuff done" Can be open easily with something like weblate?16:54
lubot<tsimonq2> No, because @TheWendyPower made the text part of the images16:55
lubot<tsimonq2> That's going to have to be punted to next cycle I think, unfortunately16:56
lubot<TheWendyPower> @HMollerCl [Just found out that the installation slideshow isn't translated. I mean the sent …], They are not translated because the test is part of the PNG instead of part of the QML code. I plan to fix this in the future. At the moment it was the best option to not have text going off the slide if the window changed sizes.16:56
qwefytuoitytyaudacious update encoder mp3 to lame 3.10017:02
kc2bezJust passing through I guess? ^^17:06
lubot<tsimonq2> I think I'm finally awake enough to be able to do stuff today.18:00
lubot<tsimonq2> Soon I'll go get that final desktop icon stuff working and then start on release notes and manual checking.18:00
kc2bezGlad to hear you are feeling a little better @tsimonq218:06
tsimonq2Thanks, and welcome to IRC :)18:07
kc2bezThanks. Let me know if you need something tested. In the meantime I will start taking a look at the manual too.18:07
lubot<tsimonq2> 👍18:07
lubot<HMollerCl> @TheWendyPower [They are not translated because the text is part of the PNG instead of part of t …], Ok, for next cycle then18:23
tsimonq2wxl: You forgot a step that you've never had to do before; after an upload is accepted into Ubuntu, please tag it in Git.18:48
tsimonq2Just did it for cala-settings-ubuntu 2518:48
tsimonq2wxl: I also see you never did a test build :P18:53
tsimonq2-rw-r--r-- root/root      1559 2018-10-13 04:04 ./usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop/calamares.desktop18:53
tsimonq2That should just be /usr/share/applications/calamares.desktop18:54
tsimonq2(I pointed this out last night.)18:54
tsimonq2Fixing.18:54
tsimonq2(er, amending my previous comment, it should just be /usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop)18:58
-queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (cosmic-proposed/universe) [25 => 26] (lubuntu)19:09
lubot<TheWendyPower> @wxl @tsimonq2 for this simple how to check the manual video, use the text editor right?19:29
lubot<tsimonq2> Yeah, Featherpad.19:29
lubot<TheWendyPower> Perfect!19:30
lubot<tsimonq2> 👍19:30
acheronuktelegram down here :/19:45
tsimonq2yup19:45
lubot<kc2bez> Weird. Working here.19:47
lubot<tsimonq2> It's only down for the other side of the pond :)19:47
lubot<kc2bez> Ah, Gotcha.19:48
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#217120:10
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSa74f1abbfbfc: Fix all the bad whitespace.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSa74f1abbfbfc20:29
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSdf71fee23d1e: Rename calamares.desktop to lubuntu-calamares.desktop.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSdf71fee23d1e20:29
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS8d0c107a0f3d: Fix Walter's bash faux pas.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS8d0c107a0f3d20:34
-queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (cosmic-proposed/universe) [25 => 26] (lubuntu)20:37
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL464ea6f8ce12: Document how to add/remove/modify shortcuts.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL464ea6f8ce1220:39
tsimonq2.22:52
tsimonq2lubot: *waves* you awake? :P22:52
kc2bezStill no go? ^23:14
tsimonq2No, baah :(23:15
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfdcb1b98d581: add keyboard and mouse useage for changing all mouse settings.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfdcb1b98d58123:28
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2369e1cce768: Fix toc for outline in spec.rst.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2369e1cce76823:28
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb00ae9807474: Add stub on version and how to luanch trojita] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb00ae980747423:50
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8a6271f0252c: Add a screenshot to featherpad using pages from this manual.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8a6271f0252c23:54

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