 So for this "how to " video @wxl Wal through every step, from ssh key to arc diff or arc land?
 for the manual
[00:07] <wxl> @TheWendyPower i think that would be really cool but for our purposes in this case-- the manual-- make it as simple as possible. it should be nothing more than git pulling, making changes, and arc diffing. that means that some setup pieces are unnecessary
 So you dn't need the key for the manual.
[00:08] <wxl> not if you use the http
[00:08] <wxl> but you may need it to arc
[00:08]  * wxl can't remember
[00:08] <wxl> let me see
[00:09] <wxl> i don't think you do. man i'm almost sure of it
[00:10] <wxl> let's say you don't
[00:10] <wxl> you know what you should do? actually submit a change to the manual yourself
[00:10] <wxl> that would be the perfect example
 HTTPS doesn't need a key, SSH does.
[00:11] <wxl> can be a stupid thing-- change spelling or fix punctuation
 @wxl I have installe like 5 times since yesterday and haven't have issues with my country being not in your list
[00:15] <wxl> excellent @HMollerCl!
 In ssdm always de default language shown is us/english
 2wxl taht was my plan. I figured it would be easier to go through it step by step, then just kind of show it.
 after you put your password and enter, it change to the one you have defined. Not big issue, just someone might want to chaneg it
 So I guess I need to see how to change the SDDM language.
 I will make a video to show you
 Awesome!
 @TheWendyPower [Awesome!], it change while I'm entering the password, I don't think is something to bother
 OK
[01:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS1364462c8656: fix check for EFI architecture] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS1364462c8656
 And you tested it before committing it RIGHT WXL? :)
[01:41] <wxl> don't be a dumb bum
 YOU'RE THE QA TEAM LEAD THAT DOESN'T TEST BEFORE SHIPPING
 XD
[01:42] <wxl> uh huh
 Yuuup
 :P
[01:51] <mpmc> Hows 18.10 coming folks?
 Good 👍
 Aaaand they're gone :)
 Quick question: I just filed a bug report on Trojita (it's crashing a lot) on launchpad; should I subscribe anyone to this or does this already reach the appropriate people as-is?
 @marneu [Quick question: I just filed a bug report on Trojita (it's crashing a lot) on la …], Subscribe the Lubuntu Packages Team, myself and Walter optionally, and link it here? :)
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trojita/+bug/1797665
 Cool
[03:07] <wxl> um @tsimonq2 wth happened with my proposal.. it seems to have become a totally different diff https://code.launchpad.net/~wxl/ubuntu/+source/casper/+git/casper/+ref/ubuntu/devel
 @wxl [<wxl> um @tsimonq2 wth happened with my proposal.. it seems to have become a tot …], Why would you do it against that repo?
 That's totally wrong. :P
[03:08] <wxl> cuz that's the freaking one, is it not??
 Wait
[03:08] <wxl> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/tree/scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser#n81
 Waaaat in tarnation
[03:09] <wxl> right????
 OH
 This is with all the git ubuntu stuff
 I defer to rbasak and nacc XD
[03:10] <wxl> oh well
[03:10] <wxl> i'll just kill it i gues....... sigh
 Also, uhm dude, wrong calamares.desktop path
 The one in /home/lubuntu/Desktop is not a symlink to /usr/share/applications
 It's installed to /etc/skel by calamares-settings-lubuntu and then copied over on first login XD
 So you're going to have to set the one in /etc/skel to be trusted, assuming this is before user initialization
 wxl: So you need a new diff anyway :)
 Hey can anyone help me figure out why my old laptop won't even direct connect even with a wired connection?
 Just installed the alternate 32 bit version and it worked fine with eth0 aka just a straight plug to the router
 Idk how to make it look for any routers nearby wirelessly unless the 802.12b/g wireless lan isn't supported
 It's on an Acer Aspire 3690-2519   With 512 meg ram
[03:20] <wxl> @tsimonq2: postinst then it seems
[03:20] <wxl> @Wafficus: you blocked at all? see `rfkill`
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: postinst then it seems], Maybe
 YOU BETTER TEST IT FIRST THOUGH
[03:20] <wxl> @tsimonq2: this is a gio file attribute, which is to say it's not stored in the file itself exactly, but in the virtual file system
[03:21] <wxl> copying the file is not sufficient
 Bah wtf
 It says 0 wlan Acer-wireless unblocked unblocked
[03:21] <wxl> @Wafficus pastebin up `lspci -nnk`
 Well I can't really pastebin it cause no internet on it but I'll let you know what I got
[03:22] <wxl> use a usb
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: this is a gio file attribute, which is to say it's not stored i …], Can gio forcefully set attributes on invalid paths? What about if we put it somewhere and then symlinked? Does it carry across symlinks?
[03:22] <wxl> let me see
 Go test all of it :)
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/rvRHxJg.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/VWE864A.jpg
 Those are the two pics I could take to make it easy I guess
 I have no idea what any of it means tbh
 Ah this is 18.04 :)
 Yeah not beta. I wanted something stable for this old 512 meg ram laptop
 Runs lubuntu pretty good imo and it's on alternate. Still impressed
 👍
 It's this internet issue idk how to deal with :/
[03:27] <wxl> @tsimonq2: yes but it seems an absolute path is required
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: yes but it seems an absolute path is required], That's no problem
[03:28] <wxl> @Wafficus your problem is you have a broadcom chip
 Ah dang
[03:28] <wxl> !b43
[03:28] <wxl> you have a BCM4318 14e4:4318
 That link doesn't work
 But I hear ya. Gotcha so it's the lan card. I wonder how I can fix this with no internet lol
[03:29] <wxl> i'm talking about the wifi card
 Wifi card sorry yeay
 Yeah
 Do some testing maybe with setting the attributes on e.g. absolute path /home/lubuntu/Desktop/test.desktop, moving /home/lubuntu/Desktop/calamares.desktop there, and checking if the attributes stuck.
 wxl ^
[03:30] <wxl> oh i did a change on the symlink
[03:31] <wxl> wait you're saying the same thing
 No, dude, on the live instance calamares.desktop isn't a symlink.
 I'm saying set the attributes on a test file before copying calamares.desktop over and trying it.
[03:33] <wxl> so you're saying i set the attributes on a file and then overwrite it? that's not going to work.
 The test file doesn't exist
 It's bcm44002 actually after doing: lspci -vvnn | grep -A 9 Network
 Don't create the file
 Try setting attributes on the file that doesn't exist.
[03:34] <wxl> that's the ethernet @Wafficus
[03:34] <wxl> then it will do nothing
 Then put calamares.desktop over the ghost file.
 Dang
 @Wafficus maybe take this to https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support so I can yell at wxl XD
 @wxl [<wxl> then it will do nothing], So unlike what you said above, setting the attributes on a file that does not exist then making that file exist will not work?
[03:36] <wxl> it won't
[03:36] <wxl> if you're saying to do this:
 It says bcm4318 for lan
[03:36] <wxl> gio set /path/to/file/that/does/not/exist metadata::trust true
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/AaPFosO.jpg
 @Wafficus [It says bcm4318 for lan], https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support - please :)
 The two conversations going on at the same time isn't working
 @wxl [<wxl> gio set /path/to/file/that/does/not/exist metadata::trust true], That's what I'm saying
 Does that work or does it not?
[03:38] <wxl> absolutely not
[03:38] <wxl> no more than chmod'ing a file that doesn't exist doesn't work
 Ah, I thought stupid gio was stupid for a second.
 Cool.
 One more thing.
 Try setting attributes on calamares.desktop and then symlinking it somewhere else (ideally not in the same directory so it's not ambiguous in pcmanfm-qt) but then navigating to it in pcmanfm-qt and seeing if it carried over.
[03:40] <wxl> so, e.g.:
[03:40] <wxl> gio set /home/lubuntu/Desktop/calamares.desktop metadata::trust true
[03:40] <wxl> ln -s /home/lubuntu/Desktop/calamares.desktop /home/lubuntu/Desktop/testy.desktop
[03:41] <wxl> ?
 No, send it to e.g. Downloads so it's not ambiguous
 Because they'll look like two duplicate icons side by side
[03:41] <wxl> ok
 Otherwise, yes.
[03:45] <wxl> nope
[03:46] <wxl> it needs to be set on the symlink
[03:46] <wxl> it seems like it may even be possible to set it only on the symlink
[03:46] <wxl> 1s
 What the actual freaking heck
 Yeah no, this has to be hacked with casper if it's going to be that dumb :)
[03:49] <wxl> yep
[03:49] <wxl> if the target is untrusted and the symlink is trusted, you can open the symlink but not the target
 gio is already installed on the live system, yes?
[03:49] <wxl> yeah i'm using it
[03:49] <wxl> it's pretty darn essential that
 You were on the right track with your casper diff, but instead of installing to /etc/skel/Desktop/calamares.desktop we should install to /usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop
 We can then add it to this casper line
[03:51] <wxl> so change the .install in calasettings
 Right.
[03:52] <wxl> ok
 I might have had to put a mkdir line in debian/rules
 Fix that too if it's there.
[03:53] <wxl> what would we have to mkdir? /usr/share/applications should certainly be there
 Then remove the line
 And if it's in a stanza by itself, remove the stanza.
[03:53] <wxl> i think you misunderstand
[03:54] <wxl> debian/rules has nothing related to either that folder or desktop files at all
 Then ignore me :)
 Just fix the install file
[03:56] <wxl> W: calamares-settings-ubuntu source: debian-rules-sets-dpkg-architecture-variable DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH (line 3)
[03:56] <wxl> E: calamares-settings-ubuntu source: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any calamares-settings-lubuntu -> calamares-settings-ubuntu-common
 Ignore both
[03:56] <wxl> the error????
[03:56] <wxl> this is new stuff and i'm sure of it
 Yup
 No it isn't
[03:56] <wxl> -lubuntu/calamares.desktop etc/skel/Desktop/
[03:56] <wxl> +lubuntu/calamares.desktop usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop
[03:56] <wxl> that's the diff in the .install
 Right
[03:57] <wxl> oh you're right that's old after all
[03:57] <wxl> huh not sure why i didn't notice
[03:57] <wxl> should i bother resolving those?
[03:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSabc1aafe3385: fix location of installer .desktop] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSabc1aafe3385
 We don't really care about binNMUs in Ubuntu. In Debian instead of making a source change to the package to trigger binary rebuilds, they just manually trigger the binary rebuilds with +b1
 But we strictly version that intentionally
 So don't worry about it
 Otherwise wxl just make sure debhelper isn't stupid and tries to install to /usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop/calamares.desktop (which it could very well do)
 If it does that, remove the "lubuntu-calamares.desktop" string from the install file and rename the file.
 (adjusting the install file if necessary)
 So please please please do test builds :)
 sbuild locally is easy
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
 Got it wxl?
[04:05] <wxl> yeah
 Cool. I'm about to hit the hay but that all should be self explanatory if you put a little elbow grease and brain power into it. :)
 Let me know if you get stuck with any of it.
[04:07] <wxl> k
[04:11] <wxl> are we going to need to remove that desktop file somewhere?
[04:11] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2 
 ...wat?
[04:13] <wxl> will removing the package also remove the calamares-lubuntu.desktop or do we need to explicitly do it?
[04:13] <wxl> for the installed system
 Calamares removes that, but if you rename the file in the package you also have to rename the file in the Calamares module removing it.
[04:14] <wxl> so yes we have to explicitly remove it
 Yeah, although it's a one liner in a Calamares module.
 Anyway, bed for real.
[04:16] <wxl> k
[04:24] <wxl> it installs but doesn't seem to make lubuntu-calamares.desktop
[04:42] <wxl> nevermind it works
[04:44] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm going to be gone pretty much all day tomorrow so i'm going to leave finishing this up to you, especially given we will need to coordinate both changes. one is here https://launchpad.net/~wxl/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages and one here https://code.launchpad.net/~wxl/ubuntu/+source/casper/+git/casper/+ref/ubuntu/devel
[04:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS74419de5941e: cleanup after new install file location] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS74419de5941e
[04:51] <wxl> @tsimonq2: actually that's the final fix https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS74419de5941e
[07:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0b0c46f12667: Add a few autostart docs.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0b0c46f12667
[09:16] <ginggs> wxl, tsimonq2: dh-exec might be useful for renaming lubuntu-calamares.desktop
 Since I installed the latest daily, should I add my results to the iso tracker (iso.qa.ubuntu.com)? I made a launchpad account to report the trojita segfault, so I thought "why not".
 Related: The bug reporting guides say that application crashes should be reported automatically by apport, but I couldn't see any indication of that actually happening (no popup window etc).
 @marneu [Since I installed the latest daily, should I add my results to the iso tracker ( …], Please 👍
 @marneu [Related: The bug reporting guides say that application crashes should be reporte …], Hmm, interesting
[14:33] <wxl> ginggs: yeah, that's certainly an option, too, but it seems to me that what we did is working
 wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1797694
[14:43] <wxl> um, look again
 <3 @marneu
[14:45] <wxl> @marneu you can save yourself some trouble sometimes by searching for similar bugs in the future. that said, do not hesitate to file a bug because you're not sure. thanks again!
 @wxl [<wxl> @marneu you can save yourself some trouble sometimes by searching for simi …], yeah I saw that only after submitting the report; launchpad can be a bit weird to navigate. sorry for duplicate!
 No worries 👍
[14:49] <wxl> @marneu like i said, no problem.. just trying to look out for your time :)
[15:01] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm leaving in about a minute and like i said gone for the most of the day so can you please get those changes uploaded that we discused last night?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i'm leaving in about a minute and like i said gone for the most …], Sure
 Just found out that the installation slideshow isn't translated. I mean the sentences like "surf the web"", "productivity suite", "make  it better", "find us", "get stuff done" Can be open easily with something like weblate?
 No, because @TheWendyPower made the text part of the images
 That's going to have to be punted to next cycle I think, unfortunately
 @HMollerCl [Just found out that the installation slideshow isn't translated. I mean the sent …], They are not translated because the test is part of the PNG instead of part of the QML code. I plan to fix this in the future. At the moment it was the best option to not have text going off the slide if the window changed sizes.
[17:02] <qwefytuoityty> audacious update encoder mp3 to lame 3.100
[17:06] <kc2bez> Just passing through I guess? ^^
 I think I'm finally awake enough to be able to do stuff today.
 Soon I'll go get that final desktop icon stuff working and then start on release notes and manual checking.
[18:06] <kc2bez> Glad to hear you are feeling a little better @tsimonq2
[18:07] <tsimonq2> Thanks, and welcome to IRC :)
[18:07] <kc2bez> Thanks. Let me know if you need something tested. In the meantime I will start taking a look at the manual too.
 👍
 @TheWendyPower [They are not translated because the text is part of the PNG instead of part of t …], Ok, for next cycle then
[18:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: You forgot a step that you've never had to do before; after an upload is accepted into Ubuntu, please tag it in Git.
[18:48] <tsimonq2> Just did it for cala-settings-ubuntu 25
[18:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: I also see you never did a test build :P
[18:53] <tsimonq2> -rw-r--r-- root/root      1559 2018-10-13 04:04 ./usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop/calamares.desktop
[18:54] <tsimonq2> That should just be /usr/share/applications/calamares.desktop
[18:54] <tsimonq2> (I pointed this out last night.)
[18:54] <tsimonq2> Fixing.
[18:58] <tsimonq2> (er, amending my previous comment, it should just be /usr/share/applications/lubuntu-calamares.desktop)
[19:09] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (cosmic-proposed/universe) [25 => 26] (lubuntu)
 @wxl @tsimonq2 for this simple how to check the manual video, use the text editor right?
 Yeah, Featherpad.
 Perfect!
 👍
[19:45] <acheronuk> telegram down here :/
[19:45] <tsimonq2> yup
 Weird. Working here.
 It's only down for the other side of the pond :)
 Ah, Gotcha.
[20:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2171
[20:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSa74f1abbfbfc: Fix all the bad whitespace.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSa74f1abbfbfc
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[20:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS8d0c107a0f3d: Fix Walter's bash faux pas.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS8d0c107a0f3d
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[20:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL464ea6f8ce12: Document how to add/remove/modify shortcuts.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL464ea6f8ce12
[22:52] <tsimonq2> .
[22:52] <tsimonq2> lubot: *waves* you awake? :P
[23:14] <kc2bez> Still no go? ^
[23:15] <tsimonq2> No, baah :(
[23:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfdcb1b98d581: add keyboard and mouse useage for changing all mouse settings.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfdcb1b98d581
[23:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2369e1cce768: Fix toc for outline in spec.rst.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2369e1cce768
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