[00:00] <Bashing-om> klu3: "-rw------- 1 sysop sysop 3292 Oct 12 12:21 .ICEauthority
[00:00] <Bashing-om> -rw------- 1 sysop sysop   54 Oct 12 12:21 .Xauthority
[00:00] <Bashing-om> where on my system I am "sysop" .
[00:01] <yelowfish> hi all.may i request assistance re network manager? available wifi connections does not appear like they used to,i did uncheck/check enable networking,rmmod & modprobe the wifi adapter.. ubuntu xenial
[00:02] <yelowfish> the autoconnect to a wifi still works,it shows its connected by doing a ping
[00:02] <klu3> ok i follow your command- sudo chown user:user .ICEauthority; sudo chown user:user .Xauthority; that's all i need to take back control from root right?
[00:03] <klu3> i notice i cant open firefox to try and get data from an extension
[00:03] <klu3> as root
[00:03] <Bashing-om> klu3: care that 'user' here is your real user name on your system .
[00:05] <ntd> user:user ?
[00:05] <Bashing-om> klu3: You sudo'd where you should not have .. loke I said them undesired side effects ... we can get the more aggressive to restore the rights to files to "you" .
[00:06] <Bashing-om> like**
[00:06] <klu3> its fine ill just copy the whole .mozilla and copy it to the new machine lol then ill sort out what i need from there
[00:07] <Bashing-om> klu3: Whatever works for you .. we are here just to help :P
[00:07] <klu3> my username varies from one pc to another its brand@pcmodel  so for the comp in question its hp@m8150n
[00:08] <klu3> Bashing-om yea thnx, but ill just coyp the whole configurations like .mozilla and go from there, thnx
[00:08] <Bashing-om> klu3: Terminal command 'who' will tell who you are :)
[00:09] <klu3> intersting nice short command
[00:10] <Bashing-om> klu3: :) short is the linux way .
[00:24] <damian> hey guys, i've just done a migration of my ubuntu server from hyperv to vmware, everything seems to be working alright so far except for networking. i've found the new NIC with lshw -c network, i've modified my /etc/network/interfaces and changed the logical name to the new one, brought it up.. ipv6 works fine, but ipv4 just doesn't seem to want to work
[00:24] <damian> i've tried static and dhcp
[00:28] <SuntopK> Okay Grub Question, I plan to reinstall windows 10 on the other drive, the Windows Program Loader is in grub. If I disconnect the UBUNTU drive and reinstall windows 10 on the other drive, then put the UBUNTU drive back in, will I be able to dual boot?
[00:42] <SuntopK> No one knows? Okay
[00:44] <damian> SuntopK, i've never done it, but if you remove the disk with your boot loader on it, install another OS, you'll just have to configure one of the two boot loaders you have (whichever you're booting from) to know about the other
[00:44] <damian> but as far as i know it all depends on where your boot loader actually resides
[00:46] <urgodfather> Anyone in here willing to shed some light on grub stuff or do I need to keep it to their channel?
[00:46] <urgodfather> Generic info is all I ask for
[00:49] <SuntopK> I dunno I just want to be able to boot to windows 10 as the option, I am reinstalling windows 10 on the Windows drive damian if I just select the Windows drive Grub and Ubuntu shouldnt be touched
[00:52] <SuntopK> The reasoning I am a bit nervous is because all the help documents I have found assumes that everyone dual boots off the same HDD. in my case I have 2 drives.
[00:53] <rfm> SuntopK, don't know exactly what you mean by "just select the Windows drive".   If you run update-grub on the ubuntu system after installing windows it should add the windows to the grub menu
[00:53] <urgodfather> You can dual boot off different drives... the question is where is your boot loader stored?
[00:53] <urgodfather> On the ubuntu drive or the windows drive?
[00:53] <rfm> SuntopK, should not matter that they are on two different drives.
[00:54] <SuntopK> Okay
[00:54] <SuntopK> Bootloader located on my Ubuntu drive
[00:54] <SuntopK> The primary drive
[00:55] <SuntopK> the other drive is my Windows 10 install and I have to reinstall it because it wont boot into windows and I tried every mannar of repair, I have to reinstall windows 10
[00:55] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: have you %100 completed installing two operating systems?
[00:56] <SuntopK> Windows 10 was completly installed then it crashed (drive is fine the install is byorked) and Ubuntu is fully installed on the primary drive
[00:56] <rfm> SuntopK, if you do the install-grub thing, make sure your bios keeps the ubuntu disk first in the boot loader.  if you boot the windows drive from bios it won't know anything about ubuntu.
[00:56] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: okay nevermind...sounds like you'll be reinstalling windows...come back when that is %100 completed
[00:56] <SuntopK> So Windows Boot Loader is in the list in grub
[00:59] <SuntopK> As long as reinstalling windows 10 does not change the boot order from ubuntu it should be fine
[01:02] <SuntopK> thank you for the info, I will start the process shortly and cross my fingers.
[01:04] <howarth> anyone using the nvidia drivers on a Mac?
[01:05] <howarth> On a MacPro 3,1 with EVGA GTX 680 Mac rom'ed video card I get a black screen on DVI and lost connection on HDMI
[01:05] <howarth> The final testing I did on Fedora 28 with the rpmfusion nvidia packages
[01:06] <howarth> The nvidia bug reports shows 'NVRM: The NVIDIA probe routine was not called for 1 device(s). NVRM: This can occur when a driver such as:NVRM: nouveau, rivafb, nvidiafb or rivatv NVRM: was loaded and obtained ownership of the NVIDIA device(s).'
[01:06] <howarth> however no other video drivers are loaded
[01:07] <howarth> the only thing that remotely makes sense is that their is an appledisplay module loaded which allows the keyboard to control the display brightness
[01:11] <howarth> Does anyone know if you can use rd.driver.blacklist on non video driver modules like appledisplay
[01:14] <urgodfather> howarth, how much ram you got in the 680?
[01:17] <damian> oo, people are alive
[01:17] <urgodfather> In and out
[01:18] <damian> can anyone help with pointing me into the right direction. i've just migrated a VM from hyperv to vmware and my NIC isn't working proeprly. IPv6 works perfect, IPv4 doesn't even give the adapter an IP, even when i set it static
[01:19] <urgodfather> That sounds more like a migration issue
[01:19] <urgodfather> Not ubuntu
[01:20] <urgodfather> Just saying....
[01:20] <urgodfather> How did you migrate it?
[01:20] <damian> i would say the same thing, except that ipv6 works fine
[01:20] <urgodfather> That doesn't out rule it
[01:21] <damian> i just converted the vhdx to a vmdk using starwind v2v converter. once i brought the VM back up on vmware, i had to configure the new vmware NIC
[01:21] <damian> this is true, but that's why i'm here :D
[01:21] <damian> it's nothign to do with the vmware network external of the vm itself, but something to reset the networking completely and start over might be good
[01:23] <urgodfather> Personally ive had more success making a second storage drive for the vm and attaching a clone utility sw iso to the cdrom and then back up the drive to a transferrable image, then make a new vm and restore it
[01:23] <urgodfather> Longer process but better results
[01:24] <urgodfather> Sure wish howarth would respond
[01:24] <urgodfather> Would love to get a backup of the rom on that card if its the 4gb
[01:45] <R13ose> Hi
[01:46] <RoscoePColtrane> damian: do you have access to the vm right now?
[01:51] <urgodfather> RoscoePColtrane, I think he's either called it a night or using my suggested method
[02:02] <kinghat> if i dont know a specific packages name, what the best way to search for it in cli?
[02:02] <kinghat> 1. to install, and 2. to see if its located on your system.
[02:03] <RoscoePColtrane> since you don't know the name of the specific package...how would you even spot it in a list of packages?
[02:03] <rfm> kinghat, "apt-cache search" if you can guess a bit of the name or description..
[02:05] <Bashing-om> kinghat: 'apt search <term> ; dpkg -l <package> ' .
[02:05] <urgodfather> Lmao good question RoscoePColtrane
[02:05] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Ya get the drive spared off ?
[02:06] <cxl> Hi, my Ubuntu doesn't seem to like most of my USB3 <> SATA adapters. I have two adapters that I tried with several HDDs (SSD and magnetic), I always get this in dmesg: https://dpaste.de/c9QP
[02:06] <cxl> I also have a Toshiba USB3 disk, and that one is fine, no errors in dmesg when connecting it. Any ideas?
[02:08] <R13ose> Bashing-om: I am trying to copy over the home folder to usb but using Nautilus, I get this error, Filesystem does not support symbolic links.  How do I fix that?
[02:08] <kinghat> ty guys
[02:09] <urgodfather> R13ose, you have a shortcut made to something else
[02:09] <urgodfather> Cx1 are you sure its not your drive or cable?
[02:10] <R13ose> urgodfather: okay but how do I make it so I can copy over the file or folder?
[02:10] <cxl> urgodfather: I have tried with 3 different drives and 2 separate cables, both cables work fine with a Toshiba enclosure.
[02:10] <urgodfather> Thats usually what is wrong when you get I/o errors pointing about your drive
[02:11] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Yuk . I am not that comfortable with a GUI - maybe follow the symlink from terminal and point nautilis there .
[02:11] <urgodfather> Cx1 you need to know where the symlink counter part is
[02:11] <R13ose> Bashing-om: how?
[02:11] <urgodfather> Maybe Bashing-om can tell you via terminal
[02:12] <R13ose> All I want to do is copy the home drive to my usb key and move onto the next step
[02:13] <Bashing-om> R13ose: If ya 'ls' the file it gives the target . such as 'ls -al /vmlinuz; it point to the target  boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-34-generic ' in my case .
[02:15] <R13ose> Bashing-om: yes I get that but how do I copy over the whole home drive with the targets still there?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Sorry - do not know what to advise in this case .
[02:16] <R13ose> Bashing-om: do I need the targets?  If not, I will copy away and ignore them.
[02:17] <hggdh> R13ose: are you talking about copying soft links as files, or as (still) soft links?
[02:18] <R13ose> hggdh: I don't know
[02:18] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Only you can know if you want to keep them . Terminally to copy large amounts of data 'rsync' is your best friend .
[02:19] <urgodfather> True that.... Maybe you should take some time and go through your files R13ose
[02:20] <R13ose> Bashing-om: if I use rsync, what is the full command?
[02:21] <urgodfather> R13ose, how much data do you have? How many gb?
[02:24] <R13ose> urgodfather: says 17.8 GB but could be bigger.
[02:25] <urgodfather> 17. Gb.... You've spent more time trying to copy the whole user folder in 1 swoop instead of just singling out what you want
[02:25] <urgodfather> 17 gb is nothing
[02:27] <Bashing-om> R13ose: The 'rsync' command I have developed for *MY* usecase: rsync -aiv --exclude=".*" --exclude uwn /home/sysop/ /mnt/look/files/ . You will have to adapt for your use case - read the manual :) . my username here is sysop for that /home target.
[02:27] <urgodfather> I suppose you could put together a string of commands that would get just specific file types and put duplicate them with the same name in the same subfolders....
[02:28] <R13ose> I would like to see if I can keep the bookmarks, current tabs opened and passwords saved of Opera Browser.  Plus, save Filezilla sites, and the background of desktop.  Someone here yesterday said they are all in home folder.  If true where?
[02:28] <urgodfather> Too much to think on. Running out of gas
[02:28] <R13ose> Okay
[02:29] <hggdh> R13ose: I wonder... you said you tried to copy to the USB drive, and got an error stating that symlinks were not supported. So, what filesystem do you have in the USB? FAT?
[02:29] <Bashing-om> R13ose: ne aware with my invocation with --exclude "*". no config files will be copied .
[02:31] <Bashing-om> --exclude=".*" that is
[02:31] <hggdh> R13ose: what I mean is: it is a Real Bad Idea to save your home dir under FAT. It will make recovery (meaning copying it back to a real filesystem) messy
[02:32] <urgodfather> Fat is so archaic
[02:33] <R13ose> hggdh: says W95 FAT32.  Can I change that?
[02:34] <urgodfather> um yeah
[02:34] <urgodfather> diskutil
[02:34] <Cheez> plus the whole 2gb file size limit
[02:34] <urgodfather> Get your stuff off first
[02:34] <urgodfather> Cheez, I thought it was 4
[02:34] <R13ose> There is nothing on the usb key
[02:34] <Cheez> might be, i know dvds were split into 2gb chunks for similar reasons
[02:34] <urgodfather> Or am I mixing that up with x86
[02:35] <urgodfather> Didn't know dads were split in 2gb chunks
[02:35] <R13ose> urgodfather: which diskutil?
[02:35] <urgodfather> Ctrl + alt + T
[02:36] <urgodfather> Sudo apt-get install gparted
[02:36] <urgodfather> Download that and use it instead
[02:38] <R13ose> urgodfather: I am in. Should I unmount and then format to and remount?  If so, what do I format this to?
[02:38] <urgodfather> Do you plan to use on windows?
[02:39] <urgodfather> If so use ntfs
[02:39] <urgodfather> Dont forget to click apply
[02:39] <R13ose> urgodfather: I am never going to use Windows on this laptop
[02:39] <urgodfather> You cant do it if you have a transfer going either
[02:40] <urgodfather> The usb drive!!!
[02:40] <urgodfather> Not the computer
[02:40] <R13ose> Oh, maybe.  I will do ntfs
[02:40] <urgodfather> make sure its not the same usb you booted off of
[02:41] <urgodfather> Or did you boot off your internal
[02:41] <R13ose> urgodfather: liveUSB but is not the same one.
[02:43] <urgodfather> ok
[02:43] <R13ose> urgodfather: I did everything but the mount is greyed out.  Should I just take out the usb drive and place back in?
[02:44] <urgodfather> i usually just format it...
[02:44] <urgodfather> gparted should have unmounted it and then remounted it when it was finished if I remember correctly
[02:46] <R13ose> Okay.  You are right
[02:46] <R13ose> Should I try and copy over the files again?
[02:46] <urgodfather> You're still gonna run into the symlink issue again
[02:47] <R13ose> Oh.  I am confused.
[02:55] <urgodfather> If you have symbolic links they will not transfer, so instead you need to find the original and transfer in its place
[02:55] <urgodfather> Unlike windows, when you copy shortcuts... they will not copy.. where as windows, they do and just dont work.
[02:59] <R13ose> I am copying using rsync now
[03:05] <mateothegreat> you can indeed copy symlinks using rsync -a
[03:06] <urgodfather> mateothegreat, didn't know that
[03:06] <urgodfather> thanks
[03:07] <R13ose> mateothegreat: I will try that
[03:07] <R13ose> I did rsync but that crashed and now I can't access the usb
[03:11] <R13ose> I got it back, sorry my fault
[03:12] <hggdh> R13ose: if you created ANY filesystem but FAT, remember you *MUST* unmount the USB before taking it out
[03:18] <R13ose> Okay
[03:22] <R13ose> It just stops after trying to copy one file and I can't go on.  What do I do?
[03:22] <kinghat> does anyone here happen to know anything about compiling Qt apps and Qt environment variables?
[03:25] <R13ose> Sorry again
[03:25] <urgodfather> R13ose, what file?
[03:30] <R13ose> urgodfather: files in /.cache/mozilla/firefox/ but this is just taking time.
[03:30] <urgodfather> Thats cache
[03:30] <urgodfather> You dont need it
[03:31] <SuntopK> Okay RoscoePColtrane i have both installed 100% now. and as I knew would happen I have to figure out how to make ubuntu as the first system to boot too in the EFI setup r
[03:31] <R13ose> Don't worry urgodfather I know what I am doing now.  Thanks for your help so far.
[03:31] <urgodfather> ok
[03:32] <urgodfather> SuntopK, separate drive right?
[03:32] <SuntopK> yes
[03:33] <urgodfather> which bootloader do you want to use?
[03:33] <SuntopK> the UBUNTU drive is not visible to the windows install, however I boot menu into ubuntu and booted to windows from there to make sure it worked and it did just fine
[03:33] <SuntopK> grub of course
[03:34] <urgodfather> ok so set your linux drive to primary and then fire up grub and tell it add an entry for the windows drive then make an entry to have it as a boot option
[03:34] <urgodfather> Fire up ubuntu and config it in ubuntu
[03:34] <SuntopK> Windowsa Boot Loader is already in GRUB I need to make UEFI use "ubuntu" instead of Windows Boot Loader
[03:35] <SuntopK> isnt this a CLI command
[03:36] <SuntopK> efibootmgr or something to that effect
[03:36] <urgodfather> Thats what im saying....make your ubuntu drive as first boot order for your hard drives then fix grub if it does not already have an entry for windows
[03:36] <urgodfather> In bios
[03:37] <SuntopK> okay it is set up as such but the EFI boot order shows Windows Boot Loader, ubuntu, the USB drive and Optical drive i need to move Windows Boot Loader down and ubuntu up
[03:38] <urgodfather> yes
[03:38] <SuntopK> The 250GB HDD Is first the 2TB is next
[03:38] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: you can edit the order
[03:39] <urgodfather> make sure you save it
[03:39] <SuntopK> RoscoePColtrane, I did not see a way to do this in my BIOS
[03:39] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: so when the count down reaches 0 it boots the highlighted operating system at the top
[03:39] <urgodfather> Use the + or - ... or F6 and F7... it should tell you
[03:39] <SuntopK> the 250 GB ubuntu drive is first the 2tb Windows is next
[03:40] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: its not done in bios
[03:40] <SuntopK> CLI?
[03:40] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[03:40] <SuntopK> Yes I am
[03:41] <urgodfather> How are you chatting from the same computer? You have to be able to reboot it
[03:41] <urgodfather> lmso
[03:41] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: in terminal>   awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg|nc termbin.com 9999
[03:41] <SuntopK> I saw a cli command efibootmgr  and the Ubuntu drive needs to be before the windows one
[03:41] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: share the url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[03:43] <SuntopK> Just realized I am in the wrong OS let me switch brb in a couple moments
[03:44] <urgodfather> RoscoePColtrane, does efimanager actually modify bios settings? If you have 2 drives, with independent bootloaders, and a bios that is set to boot to one before the other, then it still isn't gonna work
[03:47] <SuntopK> Okay I am back in Ubuntu
[03:47] <RoscoePColtrane> urgodfather: an operating system isn't changing bios and then subsequently saving changes
[03:47] <RoscoePColtrane> urgodfather: bios occurs prior to the loading of any operating system installed on a drive
[03:48] <SuntopK> RoscoePColtrane, awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg|nc termbin.com 9999 netted in http://termbin.com/h0ui
[03:49] <SuntopK> The issue is the efi is doing WIndows Bootloader not GRUB as the first in the list (I have to F9 to get to it)
[03:49] <urgodfather> RoscoePColtrane, it can... with the right utils... I.e hp and dell both have utils that you can use to call from a script to congure and edit bios alike and even set, change, and erase bios passwords.
[03:50] <urgodfather> SuntopK, what brand motherboard or computer do you have?
[03:50] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: http://tipsonubuntu.com/2016/07/20/grub2-boot-order-ubuntu-16-04/
[03:51] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: read that ..execute after reading....you're done
[03:51] <SuntopK> I have an HP
[03:52] <urgodfather> what model?
[03:52] <SuntopK> okay Grub is not the issue
[03:52] <RoscoePColtrane> urgodfather: he's not asking to make any further bios changes...he wants windows at the top so it boot to windows after grub countdown reaches 0...this is not done in bios
[03:52] <SuntopK> that is not what I mean
[03:53] <SuntopK> I mean I want it to boot to the ubuntu drive first not the windows drive and because of EFI the order your drives in the bios is meaningless
[03:53] <RoscoePColtrane> SuntopK: you can boot both os...just manually use your fingers to select which you want to use and do no further tinkering before you break something
[03:53] <SuntopK> i need to edit the efiboot
[03:53] <RoscoePColtrane> leave well enough alone
[03:53]  * SuntopK shakes his head. 
[03:54]  * urgodfather throws hands up
[03:55] <SuntopK> When I reinstalled windows 10 it boots to that first unless I F9 and select ubuntu from the efi boot menu.
[03:55] <urgodfather> The EFI does not make the order of the drive meaningless
[03:55] <RoscoePColtrane> you were told a while about about hard drive priority in bios ...did you not make the drive you wanted as highest priority
[03:56] <urgodfather> It all depends which boot loader the system reads from
[03:56] <urgodfather> SuntopK, what model hp
[03:56] <SuntopK> The HDD priority is the 250 GB drive Ubuntu and then the 2TB windows drive, the boot order is WIndows Boot Loader then ubuntu I want to reverse that in the defaut boot so it goes to the ubuntu/Windows Loader so I can select there if I want to use windows
[03:56] <SuntopK> I have a 6200 Pro
[03:57] <urgodfather> Were gonna fix this and im gonna show RoscoePColtrane  here something in the process
[03:57] <urgodfather> Boot into windows
[03:57] <SuntopK> Okay
[03:57] <urgodfather> Do you have a bios password?
[03:57] <urgodfather> J/w
[03:57] <SuntopK> none
[03:59] <urgodfather> https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-probook-4540s-notebook-pc/5229455/document/c03161127/
[03:59] <urgodfather> Get that
[04:00] <SuntopK> -_-
[04:00] <urgodfather> Dont follow the steps
[04:00] <urgodfather> Just download the program
[04:00] <urgodfather> bcu
[04:00] <urgodfather> Get it
[04:01] <urgodfather> I use it on thousands of HP's for work
[04:01] <SuntopK> okay
[04:01] <SuntopK> let me swap
[04:02] <SuntopK> Downloaded to the windows drive rebooting into windows
[04:03] <urgodfather> RoscoePColtrane, you following me now?
[04:03] <urgodfather> I bet he's using F9 to swap OS's
[04:04] <urgodfather> Dare you to ask
[04:05] <urgodfather> Or escape
[04:05] <urgodfather> Then boot menu
[04:08] <vyoma> how long can I stay on 16.04 before I must move to the next LTS release?
[04:09] <urgodfather> vyoma, you got plenty of time
[04:10] <urgodfather> Notice that 12.04 is still avail as a release?
[04:10] <SuntopK> okay back in and installed
[04:11] <vyoma> urgodfather - thank you. Reason is, 16.04 does all that I need and as long as it is security patched, I do not want to upgrade.
[04:11] <urgodfather> Ok so open command prompt
[04:11] <urgodfather> Youre good for now vyoma
[04:11] <SuntopK> does this need to be elevated
[04:11] <urgodfather> sure
[04:12] <urgodfather> Might as well
[04:13] <urgodfather> Cd c:\swsetup. <~ if I remember correctly?
[04:13] <urgodfather> No .
[04:13] <SuntopK> it is installed
[04:13] <urgodfather> Do a dir for me
[04:13] <urgodfather> I know this
[04:14] <SuntopK> I see BiosConfigUtility.exe and BiosConfigUtility64.exe
[04:14] <urgodfather> in command prompt right
[04:14] <urgodfather> ?
[04:14] <SuntopK> yep
[04:14] <urgodfather> Ok so use biosconfigutility.exe /get:"original.txt"
[04:15] <urgodfather> Pastebin that original.txt
[04:15] <SuntopK> okay
[04:17] <SuntopK> https://pastebin.com/yTiVFu2F
[04:19] <SuntopK> the thing is this is the thing i hate the most about WIndows Microsoft seems to think they are the only OS out there and does this crap
[04:22] <SuntopK> what I found on fixing this issue is to use (root? sudo?) efibootmgr -o and change it from 2 to 1 and it would boot the way I want
[04:24] <urgodfather> But that didn't work... right?
[04:24] <SuntopK> it wont even show me a list with the command alone
[04:25] <SuntopK> So I have 2 choices here
[04:25] <SuntopK> F9 every damn reboot
[04:25] <SuntopK> or reinstall
[04:26] <urgodfather> Nah... gimme a min... im reading through your setup options
[04:26] <urgodfather> HA!!!! I knew it. lol
[04:26] <SuntopK> Whatr
[04:29] <urgodfather> F9 to switch??? Dude you're manually selecting your boot order bypassing the predefined bios boot order. Just as I told you before, you need to use Esc and go into bios and change you boot option to show your ubuntu drive first save and exit. Then ubuntu will always be first. Once you do that, then boot into ubuntu, edit your grub.cfg to see the other drive and add a menu item for windows.
[04:30] <SuntopK> oh it is escape
[04:30] <SuntopK> Okay let me try that
[04:30] <urgodfather> hold tight...
[04:30] <urgodfather> damnit
[04:34] <RoscoePColtrane> lol
[04:36]  * urgodfather hands up
[04:36] <SuntopK> There was no option there to set the order I looked in every spot. just efi and efi menus there was no way to change the order
[04:37] <SuntopK> O_O
[04:37] <urgodfather> What's the update SuntopK ??
[04:37] <urgodfather> im not buying that
[04:37] <SuntopK> I am going to make this easier
[04:38] <SuntopK> I am going to go grab my laptop to chat and then I will go out and into that menu so I can tell you what I see BRB
[04:38] <destinydriven> Hey guys, this is probably more of a networking question but how do I get Netplan to autodetect my internet gateway?
[04:38] <urgodfather> grrr
[04:38] <urgodfather> BiosConfigUtility.exe /getvalue:"EFI Boot Order"
[04:39] <urgodfather> Netplan?
[04:39] <urgodfather> Wth is that
[04:40] <destinydriven> urgodfather, that's what 18.04+ uses to manage networking
[04:40] <urgodfather> oah
[04:40] <urgodfather> Havent played with it yet
[04:41] <destinydriven> urgodfather, you should
[04:41] <urgodfather> I need a smoke
[04:41] <urgodfather> Well, being that I just did a 12 core upgrade on my Mac, ill probably toss up a vm of it
[04:42] <destinydriven> urgodfather, niceness
[04:42] <urgodfather> Its pretty beastly
[04:42] <urgodfather> For a 2009
[04:43] <SuntopK> Okay on my laptop
[04:44] <urgodfather> BiosConfigUtility.exe /getvalue:"EFI Boot Order"
[04:44] <urgodfather> Thats what you need to do from your computer
[04:44] <urgodfather> Not the laptop
[04:45] <SuntopK> What I see is Contunue Startup (exit) System Information Change Language Diagnostics (F2) BootMenu (F9) Computer Setup (F10) System Recovery (F11) Network boot (F12) Utilities and Run UEFI Application... in teh (ESC) menu
[04:45] <SuntopK> okay
[04:45] <SuntopK> So that is not where I need to be okay let me boot again back into windows
[04:45] <urgodfather> yes
[04:46] <urgodfather> Better yet do it like this BiosConfigUtility.exe /getvalue:"EFI Boot Order" > origboot.txt
[04:47] <SuntopK> I figured you would want to see it so I was gonna do that
[04:47] <SuntopK> i will pastebin it when I get it generated
[04:52] <SuntopK> that did not net much
[04:54] <SuntopK> urgodfather, https://pastebin.com/SkZ6DMd0
[04:57] <urgodfather> are you booting off of usb drive?
[04:57] <SuntopK> no
[04:58] <SuntopK> That would be dumb to do with Windows unlessyou ahve USB 3.x
[04:59] <SuntopK> When I press F9 I can select ubuntu but I cannot change the boot order within UEFI to default to ubuntu because of Microsofts idiotic programming
[05:00] <urgodfather> Its not microsoft
[05:00] <SuntopK> :/
[05:01] <SuntopK> I cannot change boot order at all. I cannot tell bios HEY, I do not want you to boot from the 2TB HDD I want you to boot from the 250GB HHD please.
[05:02] <SuntopK> This is why everyone is told to Install windows FIRST then  ubuntu next to make sure it boots right because of this situation
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | SuntopK
[05:08] <SuntopK> I think I read that
[05:09] <urgodfather> lotuspsychje, he has 2 installs on 2 separate sata drives
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> so?
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> there is grub to choose wich Os you want
[05:10] <SuntopK> What I need to figure out is how to move ubuntu to top priority and windows boot down
[05:10] <urgodfather> Better yet do it like this BiosConfigUtility.exe /getvalue:"UEFI Boot Options" > uefiboot.txt
[05:11] <urgodfather> lotuspsychje, since he's manually changing his boot order its not persistent to boot ubuntu first
[05:12] <urgodfather> ie. No grub unless he manually picks it after post
[05:13] <SuntopK> same
[05:16] <urgodfather> Youre probably gonna have to do this manually in bios, im not finding any documentation about changing hdd:2 over hdd:1
[05:17] <urgodfather> Im still looking
[05:17] <SuntopK> yeah that is what I was running into
[05:19] <urgodfather> We can try this anyways... lemme pull up your pastebin again
[05:19] <SuntopK> I cannot change anything in the BIOS
[05:19] <urgodfather> why
[05:19] <urgodfather> You dont have a password?
[05:20] <SuntopK> because it is the EFI that needs to be changed EFI Boot order in BIOS sos Window Boot Manager, USB Bloppy/CD, ATAPI CD/DVD and thats it
[05:20] <SuntopK> no BIOS PW
[05:21] <urgodfather> Grrr
[05:22] <urgodfather> THER IS NO EFI ON A PC BASED MACHINE
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> urgodfather: please stay calm in this channel
[05:22] <urgodfather> ok
[05:23] <urgodfather> SuntopK, do you have a raid card too?
[05:23] <SuntopK> No matter where I stick the cables for the HDDs the 2TB is always first
[05:23] <SuntopK> no
[05:24] <urgodfather> so the cables are directly connected to the motherboard
[05:24] <SuntopK> Yep
[05:24] <cfhowlett> SuntopK, this sounds like a HW issue, not an ubuntu issue.  might want to ask in the #hardware channel
[05:24] <urgodfather> cfhowlett, ty!!!
[05:24] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[05:25] <SuntopK> if I can edit the UEFI Boot order it would be fine but I cannot
[05:25] <urgodfather> sure you can if you have full admin rights to the machine
[05:25] <SuntopK> What do you mean full admin rights
[05:32] <SuntopK> I think it will just be easier to reinstall Ubuntu or press F9
[05:33] <urgodfather> I think I found the change that needs to happen
[05:33] <urgodfather> Reinstall won't solve your problem
[05:33] <SuntopK> ok
[05:33] <urgodfather> Use this for a test...
[05:34] <urgodfather> Are you using the front usb?
[05:34] <SuntopK> i am
[05:37] <SuntopK> My Bios is stupid as hell
[05:37] <urgodfather> Ok so we won't use front usb for a test
[05:39] <SuntopK> What did you want me to do
[05:39] <urgodfather> Better yet do it like this BiosConfigUtility.exe /getvalue:"Legacy Boot Order" > legacy.txt
[05:40] <urgodfather> Fyi im reusing the original comment and changing the command
[05:40] <urgodfather> Paste that
[05:40] <SuntopK> Legacy is disabled for everything except DVD rom
[05:41] <RoscoePColtrane> it might be faster instant gratification if he just reinstall both OS's, this time switch the drives they are installed to
[05:41] <RoscoePColtrane> or switch their positions on the sata cables
[05:41] <urgodfather> You sure?
[05:41] <RoscoePColtrane> switch/swap
[05:41] <SuntopK> I did switch the cables around on all 4 ports
[05:42] <RoscoePColtrane> all 4 ports..when there's only 2 drives being used?...
[05:42] <urgodfather> I doubt it RoscoePColtrane
[05:42] <RoscoePColtrane> or just live with selecting the one you want manually as you have been doing
[05:43] <urgodfather> SuntopK, did you run the command?
[05:43] <RoscoePColtrane> it's not gonna kill you
[05:43] <SuntopK> Yep working on pasteing it
[05:43] <urgodfather> ok
[05:44] <SuntopK> https://pastebin.con/q6DiLVPk
[05:44] <RoscoePColtrane> or nix eufi and just stay with legacy bios boot
[05:44] <SuntopK> Yeah I can nix it
[05:44] <urgodfather> That link isn't working for me
[05:45] <SuntopK> https://pastebin.com/q6DiLVPk
[05:45] <SuntopK> I am using my laptop right now
[05:45] <urgodfather> Did you output to a txt file?
[05:46] <SuntopK> I did and pasted it
[05:46] <cfhowlett> did not work
[05:46] <urgodfather> If so move change the #1 to a 2 and vice versa
[05:46] <urgodfather> Save it as new.txt
[05:47] <urgodfather> Then run biosconfigutility.exe /set"new.txt"
[05:47] <SuntopK> huh what do you mean move from #1 to to a 2
[05:48] <urgodfather> PnP device
[05:48] <SuntopK> um
[05:48] <SuntopK> ok
[05:48] <SuntopK> Oh
[05:48] <urgodfather> Change the 1 to a 2 and the 2 to a 1 on the line beneath it
[05:48] <SuntopK> Ok
[05:48] <SuntopK> wait
[05:49] <SuntopK> you want me to change around my USB things or
[05:49] <urgodfather> No....
[05:50]  * SuntopK looks around.
[05:50] <SuntopK> Changing it where
[05:50] <SuntopK> BIOS?
[05:51] <urgodfather> actually...do this
[05:52] <urgodfather> System Recovery Boot Support
[05:52] <urgodfather> Turn that off
[05:53] <urgodfather> Then get a fresh config
[05:53] <SuntopK> okay
[05:57] <SuntopK> if I can find it in windows
[05:57] <SuntopK> I do not see boot support just regular system recovery
[05:58] <urgodfather> Use bios config to set it as disabled
[05:59] <urgodfather> Or did you boot into bios
[05:59] <urgodfather> If so, stay
[05:59] <SuntopK> I am in windows
[05:59] <urgodfather> Ok so yeah try and turn that off
[05:59] <SuntopK> There is no options within windows to turn that part off
[06:02] <urgodfather> how many drives do you have?
[06:06] <SuntopK> Okay System Recvery Boot Support disabled in BIOS
[06:08] <urgodfather> Now what options do you have?
[06:08] <urgodfather> Do you have a csm mode?
[06:09] <SuntopK> I do not think so because I do not know what that is
[06:09] <urgodfather> Go to security -> device options in bios
[06:11] <SuntopK> I have a list
[06:12] <SuntopK>  all devices are avalaible
[06:12] <urgodfather> Ok what do you see?
[06:12] <urgodfather> Post a pic or something
[06:13] <SuntopK> Embeded Security Device, System Audio, Network Controller, SATA0-4  all Device Available
[06:15] <urgodfather> Okeep searding
[06:15] <urgodfather> ch
[06:15] <SuntopK> What am I looking for exactly
[06:16] <urgodfather> hard drive options
[06:16] <urgodfather> or hard drive priority
[06:16] <SuntopK> yeah
[06:16] <urgodfather> You need to move drive 2 over drive 1
[06:17] <urgodfather> Make sure you save it
[06:17] <SuntopK> That is where this whole thing stems from I cannot locate that anywhere in the bios I can see Device config but i cannot move them F6 F7 and + - does nothing
[06:17] <SuntopK> BOOT order does nothing
[06:18] <urgodfather> Youre not doing it right and without me seeing it I cannot point you any further
[06:19] <urgodfather> Its within there, you will need to find it
[06:19] <zarozombie> quit
[06:20] <SuntopK> I know how bios works this bios is suupid
[06:20] <SuntopK> stupid
[06:20] <urgodfather> I agree
[06:20] <SuntopK> so all of this was a waste of time.
[06:21] <urgodfather> I cant remember the exact placement
[06:21] <urgodfather> Its within bios
[06:21] <urgodfather> you have the point and click bios right?
[06:21] <SuntopK> nope keyboard
[06:22] <urgodfather> Blue?
[06:22] <SuntopK> yes
[06:22] <urgodfather> Advance options
[06:22] <urgodfather> grr
[06:22] <SuntopK> Aptio Setup Utikity - Version 2.10.1209
[06:22] <SuntopK> Okay
[06:22] <urgodfather> your bios is out of date btw
[06:23] <urgodfather> Way out of date
[06:23] <SuntopK> That is probably why I cannot find these things
[06:23] <urgodfather> They are always present
[06:23] <SuntopK> I never updated the bios 1208 is what i have and
[06:23] <SuntopK> Device Options
[06:23] <SuntopK> Nothign for drives
[06:24] <urgodfather> So at the top, you have general, advanced, security, stuff like that right?
[06:24] <SuntopK> Power on BIOS Power on  Onboard Devices Bus Iotions and AMT that is all
[06:24] <SuntopK> I have going across from L to R is File Storage Security power and Adavnced
[06:25] <SuntopK> i looked in every one of them nothing to the sort all sub options too
[06:26] <SuntopK> let me see if there is a BIOS update for my computer
[06:26] <urgodfather> Im done
[06:26] <SuntopK> I am too
[06:26] <SuntopK> :/
[06:27] <SuntopK> Like I said there is nothing much in the way of selection so yeah I  have a stupid BIOS
[06:27] <urgodfather> Like the others said its beyond the scope of ubuntu. Im surprised I haven't been fussed at for continuing to help
[06:27]  * cfhowlett initiates Fuss Mode ...
[06:27] <SuntopK> It is okay I am sure if I reinstall Ubuntu which is the only option I really have left other than BIOS update, it will fix my issues.
[06:28] <urgodfather> Pull both drives... wipe them externally... put one in, install ubuntu, throw the other away
[06:30] <urgodfather> Ubuntu doesn't have that util to install within windows anymore does it?
[06:31] <urgodfather> forgot what its called
[06:31] <cfhowlett> no!  no no no no!
[06:31] <urgodfather> lmao
[06:31] <cfhowlett> install virtualbox to windows, create a virtual machine, install ubuntu to VM
[06:32] <SuntopK> -_-
[06:32] <urgodfather> There ya go!!! You already have virtualization turned on and you can make that whole other disk your vm
[06:33] <cfhowlett> and absolutely no boot configuration issues required
[06:33] <urgodfather> ^^^
[06:33] <urgodfather> +1
[06:34] <SuntopK> Or I can F9 every boot or reinstall Ubuntu. Bah stupid HP
[06:35] <urgodfather> Go back to my original suggestion.... You know... where you pull the drives...
[06:35] <SuntopK> yeah I know
[06:36] <SuntopK> I like Ubuntu it is a great os
[06:36] <urgodfather> Exactly... trash the windows
[06:36] <urgodfather> Format the drive and use it for data storage
[06:37] <urgodfather> If you choose to encrypt it make sure you backup your key to something else where you won't loose it
[06:39] <SuntopK> yep
[06:39] <SuntopK> I am sorry that this netted nothing
[06:39] <SuntopK> I thank you for your guys help
[07:49] <acresearch> people how can i change the background of the text editor? i want it darker rather than white?
[07:50] <EoflaOE> acresearch: Which text editor are you using?
[07:50] <EriC^^> acresearch: for gedit, go to edit > preferences > colors
[07:52] <acresearch> EoflaOE: EriC^^ it is just called Text Editor from the application menu, and there is no menu so i cannot find the preferences  i am on 18.04
[07:57] <nisankhindia> since my last update , i have notices there are some harmless issues rises , it first it is harmless seems to be but now i can see it's effect on my function keys . yesterday my wifi enable/disable keys worked fine but after the update it shows warning about function 8 -100 with acer wmi kernel driver
[08:01] <EoflaOE> acresearch: Is https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1287/unite/ what you need to restore the menu bar? I assume you're running GNOME.
[08:02] <rfm> acresearch, look at the very top (activities bar) should be a "text editor" with downward arrow, click there and should get menu with preference
[08:03] <rfm> acresearch, at least that's the way it works for me with my very uncustomized 18.04 install...
[08:03] <acresearch> rfm: hmm i have on the left OPEN with a downward arrow only
[08:03] <acresearch> rfm: on the other side i have SAVE and three bars but no preferences inside them
[08:04] <rfm> acetakwas, no, not in the text editor window, all the way to the top of the screen
[08:04] <acresearch> oh
[08:04] <acresearch> rfm: ah ok found it.. excellent  :-)
[08:05] <rfm> acresearch, I actually hate the unified menu bar, it's even worse than mac, that's why I usually use xubuntu which is sane
[08:06] <EriC^^> acresearch: try alt+e
[08:06] <acresearch> rfm: for it i don't mind it, i have my issues with gnome, but i guess they are not that much of a problem
[08:07] <acresearch> now regarding package updates, i am coming from arch, and i am used to bleeding edge packages, i don't see python 3.7 here, even after i update, when would it be available, or how does this work in ubuntu?
[08:08] <nisankhindia> acresearch: gnome is focused on power Users , so you might have face difficulties . good luck
[08:08] <acresearch> nisankhindia: what do you mean power users?
[08:11] <nisankhindia> acresearch: Read online about USER INTERFACE PRINCIPALS OF GNOME
[08:29] <acresearch> what about the update questions, python 3.7 is out, but not in ubuntu, would that come with a new LTS or maybe soon? how does it work?
[08:31] <ducasse> acresearch: packages do not receive new versions after a release is out, they will show up in a later release
[08:31] <acresearch> ducasse: ah i see
[08:38] <acresearch> is there a plan to make ubuntu a rolling release in the future?
[08:55] <ducasse> acresearch: i sincerely doubt that, that would be a total shift
[08:56] <acresearch> ducasse: why? what are advantages and disadvantages?
[08:58] <ducasse> acresearch: ubuntu is all about stable releases, if you want a rolling release then simply switch to one
[08:58] <acresearch> ducasse: i see
[08:58] <ducasse> acresearch: as for advantages and disadvantages, that's offtopic here. take it up in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:34] <acresearch> people when i copy a large file in ubuntu 18.04 i don't get a progress bar, i don't know when it has finished, how can i fix that?
[09:39] <shiroininja> acresearch: you don't get one in the title bar? like it looks like a little pie
[10:17] <immu> what is the channel for ubuntu beta?
[10:22] <howarth> ubuntu+1
[10:33] <acresearch> people how do i remove the trash from the desktop?
[10:37] <OerHeks> acresearch, gnome-tweak-tool has that option
[10:37] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[10:38] <acresearch> OerHeks: does it also have a dark theme?
[10:39] <OerHeks> dunno, is that really important?
[10:43] <acresearch> yes, i like my desktop with only my work that i am currently working on
[10:44] <OerHeks> how many times would you use gnome-tweak-tool  ..
[10:58] <tomreyn> on 18.04.1 amd64, since a few days, i got this occasionally printed to dmesg: rfkill: input handler disabled
[10:59] <tomreyn> and when this happens my mouse pointer still moves around but i can no longer interact with it.
[10:59] <tomreyn> i have two mice attached, though, so maybe that's related.
[11:04] <tomreyn> apparently that's a gnome-shell bug.
[11:25] <immu> what is the support channel for ubuntu 18.10 i need to file a issue
[11:26] <OerHeks> immu, #ubuntu+1
[11:35] <immu> hi all
[11:35] <xtron> can someone discuss the GNOME, UNITY, X11, wayland, myth here?
[11:36] <xtron> immu: I think this channel is for all Ubuntus
[11:36] <immu> upports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 14.04, 16.04, and 18.04
[11:44] <py_dev> Hello
[11:44] <py_dev> Please help with this code:
[11:45] <py_dev>  def monkey_patch_requests():     ######################################################################     # Monkey patch `requests.Session.request` with a logging functionality     ######################################################################      from .logs import logger     from .models import GatewayLog      class CustomSession(sessions.Session):          def request(self, *args, **kwargs):              # Apply a defaul
[11:45] <py_dev> def monkey_patch_requests():
[11:46] <py_dev>     ######################################################################
[11:46] <py_dev>     # Monkey patch `requests.Session.request` with a logging functionality
[11:46] <py_dev>     ######################################################################
[11:47] <OerHeks> !paste
[11:47] <py_dev>     from .logs import logger
[11:47] <OerHeks> and i think you want the ##python channel for coding
[11:49] <V7> Hey all
[11:49] <V7> Is it possible to move running xterm from different xterm?
[11:53] <V7> I mean, a window's position of xterm
[11:56] <V7> Is it possible to move window's position of running xterm from different xterm?
[12:10] <ryuo> V7: you would need a tool such as xdotool to do that.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:25] <dimm_> hello, guyz! why can laptop's  dvd tray is opening by self? How to find why? When i boot into BIOS menu, then it not opening. It is opening only when os is booted. Ubuntu 18.
[13:29] <OerHeks> dimm_, that is vendor independant, use a paperclip to open the tray manually?
[13:30] <OerHeks> eject && eject -t
[13:44] <V7> Thank you very much
[13:52] <sonicwind> I just did a upgrade and got this - A new version (/usr/share/unattended-upgrades/20auto-upgrades-disabled) of configuration file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades is   │
[13:52] <sonicwind>    │ available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified.
[13:53] <sonicwind> It wants me to decide what to do... what's the right answer?
[13:53] <sonicwind> I can show the package maintainers version, or keep the current version locally installed
[13:55] <ShellcatZero> most of the time, the best option is to keep the installed version.  You might have a look at the differences first before proceeding.
[13:55] <fosnet> To what version did you upgrade to
[13:56] <sonicwind> I did look at the differences, but its all Greek to me
[13:57] <sonicwind> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cVWZ6CRRFv/
[13:58] <ShellcatZero> I recommend keeping the installed version, otherwise unattended upgrades will behave differently after the upgrade
[13:59] <sonicwind> ok... safer to keep what I have then?
[14:00] <ShellcatZero> Yes, I would say so
[14:00] <sonicwind> thanks guys
[14:01] <sonicwind> well.... not sure what it did now... I also tried Show a side-by-side comparison of the differences, and it just finished the upgrade, whatever it was doing
[14:01] <sonicwind> it didn't show a side by side comparison lol
[14:02] <sonicwind> it looks like it chose (1.1ubuntu1.18.04.5) over (1.1ubuntu1)
[14:02] <Greyztar> anyone know if can run a script located on host on lxd container?
[14:03] <ShellcatZero> You should be fine, but if you want you can add those options back (from your paste) sonicwind
[14:03] <sonicwind> we'll see what happens...
[14:07] <yasumi2136> hello guys, i would like to know how can i set permanently the "Preferred mode : prefer Maximum Performance" in NVIDIA X Server Settings application ?
[14:07] <sonicwind> actually... it says W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish .... how do I finish the upgrade? Is that apt install -f ?
[14:07] <yasumi2136> each time i change it and i close it, this setting isn't saved
[14:15] <ShellcatZero> sonicwind, I am not completely sure, but it would probably be safest to re-initiate the upgrade from the beginning
[14:15] <sonicwind> I did a install -f  and dpkg --configure -a
[14:17] <ShellcatZero> sonicwind, that will only be helpful for unconfigured packages
[14:18] <ShellcatZero> if there are install steps that never began, then those will be unaffected, thus that is why I recommend re-initiating the upgrade
[14:19] <sonicwind> how do I do that?
[14:19] <ShellcatZero> depending on when it was interrupted, your system could be very unstable, and you might have to install from scratch or perform other rescue operations
[14:20] <sonicwind> I did sudo apt upgrade again, it says everything is installed
[14:21] <ShellcatZero> what version were you upgrading to?
[14:21] <sonicwind> I was just doing a standard apt upgrade
[14:21] <sonicwind> and installing what it said was needed
[14:22] <sonicwind> I wasn't upgrading anything in specific
[14:22] <ShellcatZero> ok, you are probably fine, I am not sure what the interruption was referring to then
[14:23] <sonicwind> I've always had problems whenever that box comes up asking you to choose between package maintainers verison or keep current version... I had problems with that a year ago.
[14:26] <ShellcatZero> sonicwind, most of the time that occurs because you or some program changed the options in the file, or the maintainer has added new options (mostly the former), so that's why it's usually best to keep the installed version.
[14:28] <sonicwind> ok thanks
[14:29] <ShellcatZero> np sonicwind
[14:33] <widp> Does ubuntu have propreitary intel graphics driver that I could install.
[14:33] <widp> An application I want to install is not compatible with Mesa and I was asked to use propreitary drivers.
[14:43] <urgodfather> Good morning everyone
[14:46] <BluesKaj> widp, which app is that?
[14:52] <widp> it's something needed for the course I am taking.
[14:52] <widp> https://github.com/PADrend/PADrendComplete/issues/2
[15:17] <xtron> xdg_runtime_dir is not available when access using ssh, how can I get this ?
[15:31] <xtron> just installed ubuntu 18, and it's laggy, is it due to gnome? I'm missing my unity based 16 LTS
[15:42] <Miar> Hi! I needed some help. On occasion when I wake my laptop from suspend, the touchpad stops working. Could anyone help me out please?
[15:44] <Miar> Hi! I needed some help. On occasion when I wake my laptop from suspend, the touchpad stops working. Could anyone help me out please?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> !patience | Miar
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Miar, in the meantime check your power management settings
[16:09] <evit> Anyone seen exploitation of this in the wild? https://www.cisecurity.org/advisory/multiple-vulnerabilities-in-php-could-allow-for-arbitrary-code-execution_2018-113/
[16:11] <gostforest> Is there an ubuntu os that supports touchscreen natively?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> gostforest, https://ubports.com/
[16:16] <Industrial> Hi.
[16:18] <adrian_1908> Is it normal that `/etc/mke2fs.conf` doesn't exist in Ubuntu (anymore)? Does the tool apply tweaks based on filesystem size nowadays or how come?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> adrian_1908, it still exists as regular conf text file
[16:26] <BluesKaj> in /etc
[16:27] <adrian_1908> BluesKaj: my bad, it does. Sorry!
[16:28] <BluesKaj> adrian_1908, you'renot  bad, just mistaken and no need to be sorry :-)
[16:30] <oft_gegong> are the nvidia driver packages old in 18.04? because I have a GTX 1050
[16:36] <FishBone000> Will linux decrease the computer performance?
[16:36] <FishBone000> Well, comparing to windows
[16:37] <coconut> FishBone000: if you can really compare them, then yes probably with playing games.
[16:37] <FishBone000> yeah
[16:37] <FishBone000> sometimes i play games on linux
[16:38] <oft_gegong> I'm playing minecraft right now on kubuntu 18.04
[16:38] <FishBone000> So, does all the video cards suit linux? or is it just because the game is linux version?
[16:39] <oft_gegong> I'm 84% sure all video cards suit linux.
[16:40] <gpunk> steam games run natively
[16:40] <gpunk> i was just playing warthunder
[16:40] <gpunk> flawless
[16:40] <FishBone000> well...
[16:40] <FishBone000> i was trying to play Dead Cells on ubuntu
[16:41] <FishBone000> but the fps is much lower than that on windows
[16:41] <oft_gegong> I got Diablo 1 to run on `wine' yesterday! it was so exciting
[16:43] <gostforest> BluesKaj : i meant for a computer
[16:44] <freggit> Greetings everyone
[16:44] <oft_gegong> as for Dead Cells, sometimes there's options to run the game in a different mode, e.g., opengl rather than directx, and that might improve fps performance
[16:45] <oft_gegong> google does truly solve gaming issues (like low frames per second) 70% of the time
[16:45] <freggit> i was wondering if someone might be able to assist me with drives and file permissions?
[16:45] <oft_gegong> freggit: we can help
[16:46] <oft_gegong> freggit: usually when you mount a drive you want to use `udisksctl mount --block-device /dev/disk/by-label/whatever-partition-name' did that solve your problem?
[16:49] <kinghat> any guys here compile apps with Qt? having some issues.
[16:50] <freggit> @oft_gegong  I tried that but received and error looking up object for device.  Let me give you more info, right now I have the drives mounted but they are read only and the file permissions are not correct. The drives used to be on a Mac os x server, which just died, and now I am trying to add them to Ubuntu.
[16:50] <gostforest> ok so im trying to install eine
[16:50] <gostforest> wine
[16:51] <gostforest> but it says it doesnt have a release file
[16:53] <compdoc> means its not released. use the stable cersion
[16:53] <compdoc> version
[16:54] <FishBone000> oft_gegong, but i dont see and mode options in game or when starting the game
[16:54] <coconut> FishBone000: i don't know about the games itself, but it certainly is for the nvidia drivers. Nvidia gives windows drivers a higher priority.
[16:54] <FishBone000> so, i guess the proglem is from the game itself
[16:55] <FishBone000> Yeah, im using GeForce right now
[16:55] <FishBone000> haha
[16:55] <FishBone000> so the reason might be my video card
[16:56] <oft_gegong> gostforest: in the winehq.org install directions there is a command you copy and paste to install the release file
[16:56] <coconut> FishBone000: no... there is no good alternative either afaik.
[16:56] <oft_gegong> FishBone000: you are trying to install diablo 1?
[16:57] <gostforest> where are install directions
[16:57] <oft_gegong> gostforest: https://wiki.winehq.org/Download
[16:58] <oft_gegong> click on the Ubuntu and it'll give you the install directions
[16:58] <oft_gegong> typically I just install the development branch of wine out of habit
[17:00] <gostforest> ok so it still says it has no release file
[17:00] <gostforest> not just that, tht it is unstable
[17:02] <gostforest> no that its not safe so i cant install
[17:03] <hggdh> gostforest: how, exactly, are you trying to install? And what, exactly, are you trying to install (a package, a tar file, etc)?
[17:04] <gostforest> im using the terminal
[17:04] <gostforest> and im not sure,a package i think, idk
[17:04] <KricksAn> Any suggestions for fileshare app? Want to be able to share files I have with friends easily.
[17:04] <hggdh> gostforest: if you do not know what you are trying to install, how do you expect us to help?
[17:05] <gostforest> i want your help to install it
[17:05] <hggdh> ...
[17:05] <gostforest> im a noob to ubuntu
[17:05] <hggdh> what file name are you trying to instrall?
[17:05] <freggit> Any other suggestions for this?  I have mounted drives but they are read only and have the wrong permissions
[17:06] <OerHeks> !info wine-stable
[17:06] <gostforest> tar.xz
[17:06] <hggdh> freggit: if they are read-only, one of the following probably applies: (1) the driver does not support R/W; (2) there is an error in the FS structure, and it was mounted read-only so you can fix it
[17:07] <hggdh> gostforest: oh. So you are installing *outside* of the repositories.
[17:07] <hggdh> gostforest: I am sorry, but you are on your own. No support here. You can try another channel, though
[17:07] <coconut> KricksAn: SFTP or bittorrent over DHT?
[17:07] <freggit> hggdh:  How can I determine which one it may be?  The drives were originally on a Mac OS X computer that died and I am trying to add them to a new Ubuntu installation.
[17:07] <tomreyn> KricksAn: retroshare (but your friends would need to use the same application and your computer would need to keep runningwhile they download (and vice versa)) or nextcloud if you're looking for a software you can install on a server.
[17:08] <gostforest> i just want to installit i dont care how
[17:09] <OerHeks> sudo apt update && sudo apt install wine-stable # and have fun
[17:09] <gostforest> ok
[17:09] <hggdh> OerHeks: thank you, I was trying to find out what would be the package
[17:11] <oft_gegong> gostforest: hmmm, this might help fix things, try `sudo apt-get -f install'
[17:11] <hggdh> freggit: you will probably have a better response at #ubuntu-server, but: unmount the drive, mount it again, and loonk at dmesg to find out what it says about the remount
[17:11] <oft_gegong> gostforest: without the quotes
[17:12] <oft_gegong> freggit: sometimes the drives get out of sync and literally the only way to deal with post-gparted or post-fdisk is to restart the computer
[17:12] <gostforest> on some of them it says 404 not found
[17:12] <oft_gegong> freggit: I once had my read-only LIVE partition move from /dev/sda* to /dev/sdc*, even though the system said the /dev/sda* was still mounted
[17:12] <hggdh> gostforest: was the above a question?
[17:13] <OerHeks> good thing support for wine applications is in #winehq
[17:14] <gostforest> ok
[17:14] <oft_gegong> gostforest: make sure you uninstall all versions of `wine' before trying to install the `wine' packages from the winehq repo
[17:14] <gostforest> ill go there
[17:14] <gostforest> how do i do that
[17:15] <oft_gegong> gostforest:   `dpkg -l | grep wine' will show you the packages that have 'wine' in them, and to say, uninstall one, you go: `sudo apt-get remove wine-stable' for example
[17:16] <oft_gegong> you'll want to uninstall all of the packages you have installed that have `wine' in the name
[17:16] <oft_gegong> I'm 78% sure
[17:16] <gostforest> i did the command but nothing is showing up
[17:17] <hggdh> gostforest: please be more precise. You did *what* command?
[17:17] <gostforest> the dpkg
[17:17] <oft_gegong> gostforest: then you don't have wine installed, yay
[17:17] <gostforest> ok but it still doesnt explain the 404 errors on some of the repositories
[17:18] <oft_gegong> yeah that's strange. the winehq repos might be broken atm
[17:18] <hggdh> gostforest: then run the command again, and give us the FULL output in a pastebin
[17:20] <OerHeks> so fix this, oft_gegong, the ubuntu community does not support undatble 3rd party repos https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[17:20] <oft_gegong> gostforest: according to winehq.org you want to:  `wget -nc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/Release.key && sudo apt-key add Release.key && sudo apt-add-repository https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ && sudo apt update &&  sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-devel' to install wine on your system
[17:21] <oft_gegong> you can copy and paste that command onto your terminal
[17:22] <oft_gegong> alternatively you can install an older version of wine from the ubuntu repos by going `sudo apt install wine-stable' but I would advise going the winehq.org route
[17:23] <oft_gegong> unfortunately, if you've already added the winehq repos I wonder if it's possible to install the ubuntu repo's version.. hmmmm
[17:24] <gostforest> okso i was trying to do the pastebinit command with it too but it just leave me with the higlight
[17:24] <gostforest> thing
[17:27] <oft_gegong> read the man page if there is a greater than 4% chance it will help: `man pastebinit'
[17:32] <hggdh> gostforest: you really have to be more clear on what you say. "pastebinit command with it too", and "leave me with the highlight thing" do not help.
[17:33] <hggdh> gostforest: in fact, it makes us less inclined to help
[17:33] <gostforest> https://pastebin.com/eiBGN977
[17:34] <OerHeks> wine-builds is old, no candidates for your release
[17:34] <gostforest> i was trying to use the pastebinit command to pastebin the results of your large command thing you told me to copy paste into my terminal
[17:34] <OerHeks> x-swat too
[17:35] <oft_gegong> gostforest: ooOoOOoh winehq doesn't use ppa anymore, you need to remove those ppa links as a apt source. you need to get rid of them, they're located in /etc/apt/sources.d/* and /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:36] <oft_gegong> you don't want to totally get rid of /etc/apt/sources.list though, the official ubuntu package sources you want to keep
[17:37] <oft_gegong> oops not /etc/apt/sources.d/* it's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[17:38] <oft_gegong> by '*' I mean all files located in that directory
[17:41] <mcar> hi everybody ! i went for Cosmic a few days ago and I've got a simple question some Cosmic and Bionic users might help me with
[17:41] <Gr33ntea> What can I do if Ubuntu is loading the wrong firmware for my wifi driver?
[17:42] <OerHeks> mcar, support for cosmic in #ubuntu+1 until release
[17:43] <OerHeks> Gr33ntea, how do you tell it loads the wrong firmware? for what device and what formware exactly?
[17:43] <mcar> OerHeks : thanks. As I said it's not that specific of Cosmic. But I'll try there
[17:46] <Gr33ntea> Hey OerHeks So when I run lshw -C network | grep driver. it shows me. configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=4.18.0-8-generic firmware=33.610294.0 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11 the firmware 33 seems wrong to me as when I look at the intel driver site, it seems to recommend 34. My card is an intel 9560
[17:46] <Gr33ntea> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html its the very first card on this site. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html
[17:47] <emi71> Hello! I'm not ubuntu expert, I'm trying to install a Brother printer (multifunction).
[17:47] <emi71> http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadhowto.aspx?c=it&lang=it&prod=mfcj491dw_us_eu_as&os=128&dlid=dlf006893_000&flang=4&type3=625
[17:48] <emi71> this procedure, ask me device URI code.....how I can find it? what mean?
[17:49] <OerHeks> Gr33ntea, looks like you are on cosmic 18,10 beta?
[17:49] <emi71> I must use this multifunction printer in wi-fi connection
[17:50] <Gr33ntea> OerHeks, I was at one point. But im currently using 18.04 both produce the same thing though
[17:50] <Gr33ntea> rather what i should say is  I have 18.10 installed but am currently using the 18.04 live cd
[17:53] <gostforest> fucking idiot here, i forgot completely about software center
[17:53] <gostforest> so im installing it now
[17:55] <Gr33ntea> I guess I'll go back to 18.10 and ask in +1 as well
[18:01] <oft_gegong> gostforest: yeah that makes two idiots, software center ftw!
[18:02] <OerHeks> synaptic for more detailed packages
[18:02] <OerHeks> !info synaptic
[18:06] <emi71> someone can help me please?
[18:07] <oft_gegong> yes
[18:16] <emi71> what is URI code of network printer? (uniform resource identifier)
[18:17] <emi71> how can I find it?
[18:19] <oft_gegong> uuuhhhhh http://localhost:61  maybe?
[18:19] <oft_gegong> idk
[18:19] <tsuzuku_> oft_gegong, how can i change what firmware gets loaded for my wifi driver?
[18:20] <oft_gegong> tsuzuku_: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I would do `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'
[18:20] <tsuzuku_> oft_gegong, I can't manually tell it which one to load? : o
[18:21] <oft_gegong> tsuzuku_: no wait I have a better idea. ummmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm usually it's like `man modprobe' it's so automated that I wouldn't be sure which driver to load and how to stop it wrongly auto-loading. hmmmm `apropos driver' might give some clues
[18:23] <jas> driver manager in the menu -_-
[18:23] <ioria> emi71, you should have a choice  : 'Y' or  'N' , right ?
[18:24] <oft_gegong> jas: driver manager only works with proprietary drivers
[18:24] <oft_gegong> I'm 73% sure
[18:24] <emi71> ioria: I've stopped the procedure, but yes, the choice is Y or N (USB or network) . I must use wifi connection
[18:25] <ioria> emi71, say 'n' if the printer is usb connected and 'y' if wireless
[18:25] <emi71> ioria: sure. but what is URI code requested?
[18:26] <cnnx> my work computer is a win10 computer with a 250gb ssd, I want to add a second ssd that I can boot from the BIOS when I want to use Linux, what size do you recommend ? I was thinking 120gb to save money I can get it for about 31$CAD, or will this be to small? I'm a computer science student and want to develop my programs on linux
[18:27] <oft_gegong> cnnx: first question, is there any chance you're going to play games?
[18:27] <cnnx> no
[18:27] <cnnx> i don't even own 1 game
[18:27] <SwedeMike> cnnx: ubuntu itself can easily fit on 30GB boot drive, so 120GB is fine.
[18:27] <cnnx> ok ty
[18:27] <ioria> emi71, something like  ipp://192.168.1.19:631/lp1
[18:27] <cnnx> even with eclipse
[18:27] <cnnx> and all other visual ides?
[18:28] <oft_gegong> ioria: emi71: for over wireless I think you'll be looking at something like  ipp://10.0.0.2/lp1  or something
[18:28] <ioria> yep
[18:28] <emi71> ioria: ok is clear.....but where I can copy the exact URI code?
[18:29] <oft_gegong> emi71: you can try reading the README that comes with the package in question, it might also reference documentation to setup or quickstart for entering printer URI's over a network
[18:30] <emi71> oft_gegong: I've tried all documentation. never referred about where I find exact URI code. maybe I must use cups for find it?
[18:30] <ioria> emi71, does not show up in 'ip a' ?
[18:31] <tomreyn> "ip neigh" may list it.
[18:31] <cnnx> but it doesnt make sense a 120gb is 32.99 and the 480gb is 86.99
[18:32] <cnnx> price wise
[18:32] <emi71> ioria: CUPS find 2 printers (in fact the same printer) now I send you the codes
[18:32] <emi71> ioria: dnssd://Brother%20MFC-J491DW._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-5cea1d00cfcf
[18:33] <eelstrebor> i'm beginning to wonder if these ubuntu mainline kernels are bloated because of how slow my PC is running - i have kernel 4.18.14 installed
[18:33] <emi71> ioria: lpd://BRW5CEA1D00CFCF/BINARY_P1
[18:34] <oft_gegong> eelstrebor: I think that's a 3% chance it is
[18:34] <DJones> cnnx: I think it comes down to how much you're prepared to pay.  It doesn't matter which operating system you're planning to use, so may be worth asking in ##hardware
[18:37] <ioria> emi71, long time not using a brother wifi printer, but if you select 'y', you then just need to select 'A' (auto) in the next step: alias you don't need the uri if i recall correctly
[18:39] <emi71> ioria: no, is necessary URI code, it is clear in documentation. thanks the same
[18:40] <tomreyn> emi71: the printer can most likely show its ip address on the display.
[18:41] <tomreyn> emi71: another way to determine the ip address may be to connect to your routers' web interface and list all connected devices.
[18:42] <V7> Hey all
[18:43] <V7> If Ubuntu would be installed using Wubi inside windows would be accessable via ssh after reboot?
[18:44] <tomreyn> !wubi
[18:44] <DJones> V7: Wubi hasn't been supported for 5 years
[18:44] <OerHeks> wubi is depreciated
[18:44] <DJones> V7: Forget anything you see about wubi
[18:44] <OerHeks> and no ubuntu version has gives an active ssh service after install
[18:45] <V7> Okay, so is it possible to install ubuntu inside windows (without reboot)?
[18:45] <tomreyn> !wsl | V7
[18:45] <V7> tomreyn: Win7
[18:45] <tomreyn> V7: then there's just virtualization
[18:45] <OerHeks> virtualbox, hyperv too AFAIK
[18:45] <V7> tomreyn: It should be booted
[18:46] <V7> No virtualization
[18:46] <emi71> tomreyn: I don't search Ip address....but URI code...is different. maybe I must use cups?
[18:46] <V7> Okay, I'll tell you what's going on.
[18:46] <tomreyn> emi71: the ip address would be part of the ipp:// url which you may want to use
[18:47] <tomreyn> emi71: so toi conruct that url knowing the ip address can be necessary. you could also try using just the url's you already found, they may work as well.
[18:47] <V7> There's a device which should has Bluetooth on it, but I can't get why it doesn't work on Windows. So, I'm trying to boot into Linux and check what's going on. Also, keyboard, mouse don't work on this computer so, controlling it through Team Viewer (I have only network access to it)
[18:48] <tomreyn> V7: virtualization and usb pass-though *may* work
[18:57] <V7> This is laptop without keyboard, mouse and USB
[18:57] <V7> They are burned out or something
[18:57] <V7> So, trying to get how to install Linux inside windows
[18:57] <tomreyn> you dont
[18:58] <V7> I'm controlling it through network
[18:59] <tomreyn> what you want to do there is to run the linux *kernel* (not just user space with a kernel emulation) within windows, but that's not really possible, since you already have the windows kernel running.
[19:00] <V7> tomreyn: So, it's not possible to install linux into partition using windows?
[19:00] <tomreyn> your real issue is your broken hardware and remote support situation+
[19:01] <tomreyn> you can do this with virtualization, but you don't want to use virtualization, so no.
[19:01] <OerHeks> there is no way to boot ubuntu, without grub installed already
[19:01] <V7> You mean, use virtualiztion to install linux?
[19:02] <V7> OerHeks: There're some Grub emulations like grub4dos
[19:02] <V7> So, this might help to boot into linux using windows
[19:03] <OerHeks> that would be awesome, let us know if it works
[19:03] <tomreyn> you can use virtualization to run the ubuntu installer, and have it install to some partition or disk.
[19:03] <tomreyn> (and no i wont guide you through the process)
[19:05] <tomreyn> V7: also it's not appreciated to ask the same support question on multiple channels at the same time.
[19:06] <V7> I'm sorry tomreyn
[19:24] <benji21629> anyone alive in here?
[19:25] <Fte> It says there's over 1000 people in here yet it's dead
[19:27] <benji21629> anyone have any any experiance with acpi? and maybe how i can get my system reporting on its battery?
[19:32] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[19:39] <benji21629> not from that system no.
[19:40] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: do you have psychical access to the system? is the system connected to the internet?
[19:40] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: if the answer to both of these two questions is yes..you could simply reply with "yes and yes"
[19:40] <benji21629> yes and yes
[19:41] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: open terminal>   sudo apt install inxi
[19:41] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: let me know when done
[19:41] <benji21629> already installed.
[19:42] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[19:42] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[19:43] <benji21629> termbin.com/5ecq
[19:47] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: i'd expect to see your batt here however it is not shown, we will now attempt an alternative method
[19:47] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: in terminal>   sudo dmidecode -t 22|nc termbin.com 9999
[19:48] <benji21629> mib0
[19:49] <ledeni> benji21629,  RoscoePColtrane  ubuntu 18.10 is not supported yet here check #ubuntu+1
[19:54] <RoscoePColtrane> benji21629: your battery was revealed using alternative method suggesting there is no sensor data for the battery that inxi could obtain, however due to the IRC chat room customs/policies, people would gripe and or complain if we pursue this further in this environment
[20:24] <V7> OerHeks: Duh... can't boot virtualbox 'cause of disabled VT-x. So virtualiztion won't work. Ha-ha.
[20:32] <justyb11> V7, Happens to everyone.
[20:32] <justyb11> :)
[20:33] <cim209> does vbox utilize the gpu or is it just cpu?
[20:35] <newbsduser> hello guys, I have a rtsp:// live stream url. I want to check video output for this stream is healthy or not? How can I do that?
[20:47] <V7> justyb11: Not for everyone because of broken keyboard, mouse and usbs
[20:48] <V7> So, it's not possible to change BIOS settings
[20:48] <V7> ... so easy as it could be
[20:59] <justyb11> V7, Okay I'll admit, that's a very interesting challenge there.
[21:00] <justyb11> cim209, Last I had heard about vbox pass through to the GPU was not all that great news.
[21:03] <mooses> Hi, going crazy trying to solve this.  Trying to run syncplay.  Followed the guide @ https://syncplay.pl/guide/install/ - all deps seem met, everything installed fine, but still cannot get it to work.  Pastebinning where I am as to not spam channel with many lines - https://pastebin.com/eiJqr52v
[21:03] <mooses> would be so grateful for any help, this is driving me nuts.  Oh, forgot to mention - this is on xenial.
[21:09] <TJ-> mooses: what does "python --version" tell you?
[21:10] <Slade> is there still much value on creating user accounts for single user systems?
[21:11] <TJ-> Slade: all Linux systems are multi-user; there are many system service user accounts. For human operators its up to you.
[21:11] <Slade> for human users, yes
[21:12] <Slade> i almost wanna just use root for dumb ftp drops etc
[21:12] <mooses> Slade: Sure, tons of times there's value in that.  Example - my server is single user, only I use it, but it runs a few ircbots.  I run the bot under a seperate user that is much more 'locked down' than my normal user, that way if someone were to somehow find a exploit and game shell access, they could not access other parts of the system
[21:12] <Slade> tho i should really learn to see if nextcloud is any good
[21:12] <mooses> nextcloud is great, and don't run things as root
[21:12] <mooses> it's a very very bad idea
[21:12] <Slade> mooses, sure, thats running an app as a service it goes in its own account for sure
[21:17] <piraye> hi guys!
[21:18] <piraye> when I ran this in command line in the server /kenlm/build$ bin/lmplz -o 5 -S 80% -T /tmp <wiki.txt >text.arpa , it ran out of disc and solution of this Point -T to a drive with a lot of disk. but in the server I just have home drive, how can I point to another disc?
[21:18] <piraye> need help please
[21:21] <RoscoePColtrane> piraye: you have 1 single disk/disc? true or false?..if "true" how on earth could you point to a 2nd/second disk you do NOT even have?
[21:22] <piraye> I am on server and i have just one drive which is Home
[21:23] <piraye> and I dont know if it is mean one disc or not
[21:23] <TJ-> piraye: what is lmplz doing? is it writing to /tmp/ directory?
[21:23] <piraye> yes
[21:23] <RoscoePColtrane> pointing to a second disk that you don't have is probably something you read online but since you only have a single disk, does not directly apply to your circumstance/situation
[21:24] <TJ-> piraye: if /tmp/ is tmpfs (RAM based) it is possible it ran out of space
[21:25] <piraye> TJ- then how to solve it
[21:25] <RoscoePColtrane> caught between a rock...and a hard place
[21:27] <RoscoePColtrane> piraye: you're using one of those VPS hosted computers correct?
[21:28] <TJ-> piraye: set -T to point to block device with more space! Use "df -h" to check what is available
[21:28] <RoscoePColtrane> and if you got absolutely nothing available ...
[21:28] <RoscoePColtrane> it's rock and hard place
[21:29] <RoscoePColtrane> with you in the middle
[21:29] <piraye> ı am using amazon web servers
[21:31] <piraye> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[21:31] <piraye> udev            1,9G     0  1,9G   0% /dev
[21:31] <piraye> tmpfs           385M  6,2M  379M   2% /run
[21:31] <piraye> tmpfs           1,9G   29M  1,9G   2% /dev/shm
[21:31] <piraye> tmpfs           5,0M  4,0K  5,0M   1% /run/lock
[21:31] <piraye> tmpfs           1,9G     0  1,9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[21:33] <V7> nj Drone
[21:34] <piraye> TJ- https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G9Jvk4mwGY/
[21:34] <piraye> can you see it how can I use one of them?
[21:35] <RoscoePColtrane> piraye: you're already using %71 plus overhead of your space..leaving your roughly 11GB
[21:36] <RoscoePColtrane> piraye: if your little lmplz is going to use up space quickly, you might consider obtaining more space from amazon..this may or may not come with a price tag $
[21:37] <RoscoePColtrane> more than likely will come at a cost
[21:37] <RoscoePColtrane> which kinda makes this a money issue more than a technical issue
[21:37] <TJ-> piraye: the important line there is "/dev/sda7        37G   25G   11G  71% /"
[21:39] <piraye> btw this not server I showed this my pc, but I need understand it to apply on server but I got the problem when I tried use it first time
[21:39] <RoscoePColtrane> good luck
[21:40] <piraye> how can I point to other disc here
[21:40] <RoscoePColtrane> Amazon offers support, you can call up on the telephone and ask for more space or second disk and wait to see if they ask for your credit card
[21:41] <piraye> I am already put my credit cart there
[21:41] <piraye> they dont need to ask me credit cart
[21:42] <piraye> I want to understand the disc problem here
[21:42] <RoscoePColtrane> pick up the phone and call amazon and inquire about obtaining second disk/more storage...as far as "understanding"...that comes with experience and it's unlikely you'll understand over night if you don't already understand right now in this moment
[21:43] <piraye> ıam using 32 ram
[21:43] <hggdh> piraye: back to beginning: it ran out of disc space where?
[21:44] <hggdh> piraye: and, additionally, show us the actual df -h of the server
[21:44] <piraye> when ı ran this in Home /kenlm/build$ bin/lmplz -o 5 -S 80% -T /tmp <wiki.txt >text.arpa
[21:44] <RoscoePColtrane> RAM eh?...yeah understanding is something that's going to take time
[21:44] <hggdh> piraye: the exact error message, please
[21:44] <piraye> it ran out of disc
[21:45] <piraye> my prgram killed and that mean ran out of disc
[21:45] <hggdh> piraye: again, EXACT error message, not your interpretation of it
[21:46] <RoscoePColtrane> think of it like running out of money $...merely understanding you're out of money doesn't magically give you more money
[21:47] <piraye> hggdh
[21:47] <piraye> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gdjpKhfhGF/
[21:48] <piraye> the exact error here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gdjpKhfhGF/
[21:49] <R13ose> I did rsync but my computer crashed when I was copying files from usb key to HDD.  Now when I try to rsync again, this doesn't copy any files. What do I do to fix this?
[21:50] <RoscoePColtrane> piraye: all you can realistically do is try again and cross your fingers and pray that lmplz stops before your little 11GB is used up
[21:50] <piraye> hggdh, did you see it
[21:51] <hggdh> piraye: you need to find out where you need more storage -- tmpfs? /?
[21:51] <hggdh> piraye: yes, I saw it. Real bad programming to abort without a log
[21:52] <hidari> I'm trying to run a script, but it complains of "Unable to locate package gcc-c+".  I have build-essential, gcc and g++ installed, but still get error.
[21:52] <TJ-> hidari: sounds like the script doesn't know the correct package names used in Debian/Ubuntu
[21:52] <R13ose> I did abort one rsync command as I thought this wasn't copying either.
[21:52] <piraye> hggdh, how to find out more storage
[21:55] <hidari> Guess I'll dig through the script...try to figure out what's up.
[21:55] <hidari> thx
[21:55] <TJ-> hidari: generally a script should test for the tools, not the installed packages, unless it is intended to be distro-specific
[21:57] <hidari> trying to build nagios ncpa from source. Have to use a build.sh script. I'm using an Odroid with Ubuntu.
[21:59] <hggdh> piraye: first of all you need to be sure *where* you need more space. Also, I do not see /tmp as a separate filesystem in your 'df -h' output, so it is under / -- meaning that your 11GB of remaining disc space is not enough
[22:00] <hggdh> so you need to acquire more disc from Amazon, or free up space in your current instance
[22:01] <piraye> hggdh this not server I just showed my pc with df -h to understand what is going on
[22:03] <hggdh> piraye: then, all I can say is based on what you showed us.
[22:03] <piraye> but I got the error with amazon
[22:04] <hggdh> piraye: but showed us your PC. Nothing more to be said.
[22:04] <piraye> when I used it for first time and its RAM was 32 GB
[22:14] <RoscoePColtrane> piraye: do you understand anymore than you did yesterday? or earlier today even?
[22:21] <R13ose> Bashing-om: I got everything done as far as I can see.  I need to install apps now once I close up the laptop.
[22:21] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Outstanding ! ... is the old drive now history ?
[22:22] <R13ose> Bashing-om: I took this old and replaced with other drive I had.  The old drive is still on my desk with the old memory
[22:25] <Bashing-om> R13ose: R13ose Was not as tough as you had envisioned - huh ? got lots of apps yet to re-install ?
[22:26] <R13ose> Bashing-om: not hard.  I have to install Opera Browser and Gimp that is all I remember.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Piece a cake P)
[22:28] <R13ose> Yep.
[22:29] <linux_user> Hello all
[22:30] <linux_user> I installed Ubuntu 18.04 recently and have realized it is now infected with snappy. Is there a way to run Ubuntu 18.04 without having snappy litter my system with loopback filesystems when I install stuff?
[22:33] <rfm> linux_user, sure, just don't install any snaps.  you can even remove the snapd package, I did.
[22:37] <R13ose> Can I talk about other hardware I want to fix on this channel or should I move elsewhere?
[22:40] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Depends - you will likely be better served in the #hardware channel .
[22:41] <lenny_lemon> how can I create new file persistence.conf in new partition?
[22:43] <Gammapi> 1
[22:44] <linux_user> but when I install some packages they come in as snaps
[22:45] <linux_user> once I remove snapd then all the packages that are available are available as normal then?
[22:46] <rfm> linux_user, there might be some stuff that's available only as snaps, but nothing I need.  If you use apt to install stuff instead of software manager you won't get snaps...
[22:48] <Bashing-om> linux_user: The Snap Store and the software repository are 2 distinct things . You must have some wires crossed somewhere . Got an example of a command you are running to download from the repo ?
[22:51] <Gammapi> Why does snap annoy you so much?
[23:04] <blackflow> Bashing-om: unfortunately, teh Software Center is presenting both apt and snap packages at the same time, with little distinction between the two
[23:04] <blackflow> so it's very easy to not know what you're installing with Software Center.
[23:06] <linux_user> ok
[23:06] <rfm> also after looking at my plain vanilla install of 18.04 I was surprised to see some bits of gnome are installed as snaps, this surprises me
[23:06] <blackflow> yes the intention is to slowly introduce more snaps in default installations.
[23:07] <rfm> didn't get any in my xubuntu installs
[23:08] <linux_user> so can the gnome snaps be removed and regular packages used to reinstall them?
[23:08] <Bashing-om> blackflow: Ouch .. I guess that is one of the reasons that the push is on to revamp the software center :P
[23:08] <blackflow> linux_user: maybe, but likely regular packages won't be the same
[23:09] <blackflow> Bashing-om: actually I think it's deliberate, to promote use of snaps.
[23:09] <linux_user> right
[23:09] <linux_user> I do not want them
[23:09] <linux_user> I do data recovery and use loop back filesystems
[23:09] <linux_user> I want this crap gone out of my environment
[23:09] <blackflow> in the long run, it's distros interest to remove the maintainership burden as much as possible and move all that work into the hands of vendors themselves.
[23:10] <RoscoePColtrane> lol
[23:10] <linux_user> I don't think its funny that a distro I've used for years and I depend on is now imposing bad software on me,
[23:10] <linux_user> I agree vendors of software ought be doing their own packaging and such
[23:10] <linux_user> but
[23:10] <linux_user> to force this garbage on users is bad
[23:10] <linux_user> very bad
[23:11] <linux_user> it will drive people from the distro
[23:11] <RoscoePColtrane> it might be "good" from someone else's perspective...glass half full vs glass half empty
[23:12] <blackflow> the only problem I have with containerized app delivery platforms like snap, is that it allows vendoers to be lazy and not update their environments
[23:12] <blackflow> one can't expect software devs to have the mindset and habits (and thus responsibility) of a distro maintainer.
[23:12] <blackflow> "Does it work?"     "Yes, but openssl is vuln...."    "SHIPIT!"
[23:15] <linux_user> I don't want to debate, I have no time for that, I just want to know if there is a way to untangle snaps from 18.04?
[23:16] <linux_user> can I have a full 18.04 gnome environment and not have to have snaps?
[23:16] <mooses> linux_user: Remove whatever you installed as a snap and install it not as a snap?
[23:16] <linux_user> I didn't install any snaps, my g-d, you people are so dumb, all I did was install Ubuntu. period 18.04 install period, no more
[23:16] <mooses> and yeah i'm done helping you have a nice day welcome to ignore
[23:17] <linux_user> right, that kind of help I don't need so thanks for your future lack of comments
[23:17] <blackflow> linux_user: try it and see. I have no idea, I wasn't in the mood of fixing a potentially broken system because I removed a preinstalled compoent.
[23:17] <blackflow> (which tends to happen quite often if you deviate from defaults)
[23:18] <linux_user> Ubuntu is such a nice system, why they have to constantly impose garbage like snaps and unity and other nonsense is so strange to me
[23:19] <RoscoePColtrane> well...they stopped unity as default in 18.x ....
[23:19] <blackflow> one man's garbage is another's best thing since sliced bread. personally, I found unity very awesome.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> linux_user: Remove the snap daemon: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328152 . I have not so can not vouch .
[23:19] <RoscoePColtrane> so that's nice right
[23:19] <linux_user> ok
[23:22] <rfm> well, not sure, that forum post was in respect to 16.04 where no snaps were installed by default.
[23:22] <hggdh> linux_user: also, please stop with ranting.
[23:23] <linux_user> I asked for information about a solution you people started talking about how wonderful it was how I should like it. good grief
[23:23] <hggdh> linux_user: you have been warned
[23:24] <linux_user> and so have you
[23:24] <RoscoePColtrane> 16.04 has plenty of life left in it..
[23:41] <qwebirc69881> Anybody here tonight to offer some help?
[23:43] <Bashing-om>  !ask | qwebirc69881
[23:44] <JFox762> I'm having trouble with Hibernate
[23:44] <JFox762> my PC won't hibernate all of a sudden
[23:44] <JFox762> It worked for about a week, and now it has been losing the state
[23:49] <qwebirc69881> I can get detailed on the problem, I have an install of Ubuntu where very little works.  I installed it without doing updates upfront because they're all inclusiveand and a certain update is messing up my external drives so I'd need to install just the ones I need preferably.  One thing I was hoping to get started with was to install synaptic package installer to make other installations easier, but it wont install.   Continued.
[23:51] <adrian_1908> Sounds to me like you should look into the "certain update is messing up external drives" issue first. otherwise there'll be no end to your troubles.
[23:51] <qwebirc69881> After I type "sudo apt-get install synaptic" I get the following message...  "Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"  I did try to type this in prior to the install line but it still didn't help... "sudo apt-get update"
[23:52] <qwebirc69881> Believe me, I've tried. Forum after forum and nobody is having the same problem or knows what I'm talking about.
[23:52] <mooses> qwebirc69881: 16.04?  18.04?  other?
[23:53] <RoscoePColtrane> qwebirc69881: don't you already have "software center/ synaptic / software manager"?...you should
[23:53] <mooses> qwebirc69881: In 16.04 and 18.04 Synaptic comes pre-installed
[23:54] <adrian_1908> I think synaptic might not be installed by default these days, Software Center certainly is.
[23:54] <RoscoePColtrane> qwebirc69881: you shouldn't have to install it by hand because it's already there
[23:54] <qwebirc69881> Hrmmm
[23:54] <ericek111> Synaptic is not pre-installed on Ubuntu afaik.
[23:54] <mooses> right, now it's 'software center' or whatever
[23:55] <RoscoePColtrane> qwebirc69881: find it and use it...the names have flipped around alot over the years thus i write it as "software center/synaptic/software manager"
[23:55] <RoscoePColtrane> qwebirc69881: like a "catch all"
[23:55] <RoscoePColtrane> qwebirc69881: find it and use it
[23:55] <adrian_1908> qwebirc69881: would still help to know you Ubuntu version. the package synaptic still exists in 18.04
[23:57] <RoscoePColtrane> qwebirc69881: regardless of the fashionable naming convention..a gui tool to manage software always exists by default requiring no human intervention like installing manually by hand
[23:57] <qwebirc69881> How would I open synaptic though the terminal, I don't think I have it but I can try that way.  If not, what would I do to get around the installation problem?   I'm willing to use the new one y'all are mentiong if it's GUI based
[23:58] <qwebirc69881> Just a minute, let me look for the new program being mentioned here since you're saying it's GUI based
[23:58] <adrian_1908> qwebirc69881: It's called "Software" now I think, the binary `gnome-software`. It's less verbose than Synaptic though.