[00:34] <ezzieyguywuf> I'm trying to build my package in pbuilder, but I get a strange error that I don't understand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GFmSWBQ7BS/
[00:34] <ezzieyguywuf> it says that it can't satisfy a dependency because it's a "virtual package"
[00:35] <ezzieyguywuf> does anyone know how I may resolve this?
[00:40] <ZeZu> :| whats the name of the libstdc++ 5 32b for a multilib system?
[00:41] <Jay3mme> Is there a way to make MultiSystem utility really recognize you just deleted an ISO and so free up the relative space? It just keeps taking the same amount of MB, though the deleted ISO is no longer shown into the menu.
[00:43] <ZeZu> nvm can just use :i386 duh
[00:45] <rfm> ezzieyguywuf, my guess is you need to install some packages that provide those virtual packages (usually several different real packages may supply a virtual package, so apt can't figure out which one to install.)
[00:53] <maszlo> Greetings channel. I am searching for where to find hardware list of smallest notebooks that have full hardware support.
[00:54] <maszlo> Ideally looking for smaller 12 in or smaller
[00:55] <maszlo> The general hardware compatibility list was okay but no option to sort by display size, so was not ideal
[01:03] <ryuo> ... already gone.
[01:03] <ryuo> Oh well.
[01:05] <bluesky_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqfunumodx1zo2v/SPCC-2.tar.gz?dl=0
[01:05] <bluesky_> that is a c++ compiler that I made
[01:07] <bluesky_> extract and run sudo bash configure -k then sudo make -k then sudo make install -k
[01:08] <bluesky_> and that will replace your current gcc... if you want a bootstrapped compiler!
[01:08] <tomreyn> please don't, unless you can verify it's not malware.
[01:08] <ryuo> tomreyn: wasn't planning on it.
[01:09] <ryuo> tomreyn: besides, I find it highly unlikely someone can easily write a C++ compiler.
[01:12] <tomreyn> and it didn't belong here int he first place.
[01:13] <ryuo> tomreyn: yea.. it just sets off red flags for someone to claim to have written a compiler for an extremely complicated language like C++.
[01:13] <ryuo> especially a random person.
[01:14] <ryuo> there's only a handful of C++ compilers for a reason...
[01:17] <rappo> I did a system update on my nas yesterday that messed something up. When I boot up I get an error and it just hangs there. I made a live cd and the boot/system drive (a usb drive) is fine, ran a test and repair. Then I even tried boot-repair from livecd, but I still get the same error on boot... https://imgur.com/a/Ehh84ox any ideas?
[01:28] <tomreyn> rappo: what is your NAS running?
[01:40] <rappo> tomaw, 16.04 server
[01:45] <rappo> oops, meant to tag tomreyn instead
[02:06] <k_sze[work]> When I get a "Report a problem" pop up, where does the bug report actually go to? Can I find all such bug reports in the Ubuntu bug tracker or something?
[02:08] <cfhowlett> yes, you can find all the bugs on the tracker
[02:08] <k_sze[work]> Or where can I find a local copy of the error report?
[02:10] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: usually the error reports (raw format) will be under /var/crash
[02:11] <k_sze[work]> hggdh: I see. Thanks.
[02:12] <k_sze[work]> hmm, https://errors.ubuntu.com/ doesn't seem to be searchable.
[02:14] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: errors.ubuntu.com is a restricted tool. You need to be a registered users (which means you would need to be a dev, or a similar, at Ubuntu)
[02:31] <stevie> Hey, for LXD - What is 'Name of the new storage pool [default=default]'?
[02:47] <ezzieyguywuf> rfm: it's odd because locally (i.e. not in pbuilder) I can install the packages as-is
[03:05] <db> good morning. I have a question about DNS resolving which is probably not ubuntu-specific, anyway: when I run ping nonexisting.name.com, my OS then tries  nonexisting.name.com.mydomain.com ... which is sort of wrong, but also right in a way? Is that normal and intended? if I use dig or host commands, I get an empty response as it should be.
[03:06] <db> nonexisting.name.com.mydomain.com  then returns a catchall answer which leads to confusing results.
[03:08] <RoscoePColtrane> you should figure out whats actually right and wrong first
[03:11] <db> RoscoePColtrane: so, I got "search mydomain.com" in my resolv.conf which is the reason this happens. Also, if I write ping nonexisting.name.com.   <-- with the root dot in the end, it doesn't happen, obviously, because now it's clear that the name is complete. I just wonder how this is not a raging issue for everyone. and why I only notice this after 30 years of using computers.
[03:11] <db> you know, actually .. actually I just needed someone to talk to
[03:11]  * db breaks down crying
[03:12] <db> I will remove the search clause. I'm not sure since when I had it. but I think it's not necessary and leads to issues.
[03:17] <db> oh well of course I get it. I got a new router which pushes this setting via DHCP ...
[04:03] <whozer>  hello
[04:19] <CarlFK> how do I use "ip" on just one device?   like I want to see bytes transmitted on /dev/wlp3s0
[05:23] <gbear14275> anyone know how to delete storage in lxc/d?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D6swVjWxgj/
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> gbear14275: perhaps the #juju guys might know that
[05:27] <fiskenslakt> I've encountered a very odd problem with my sound. pulseaudio seems to stop working after 5min. I can get it to work again by manually killing all pulseaudio processes and then doing sudo service pulseaudio start, but after 5min it stops working again
[05:28] <fiskenslakt> normally i can eventually fix w/e sound problem i'm having after awhile, but this time i'm stumped
[05:28] <fiskenslakt> i have no idea what to do
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> !sound | fiskenslakt start here
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> fiskenslakt: you might also open a tail -f /var/log/syslog while you investigating your issue, to see whats going on
[05:29] <fiskenslakt> Thanks i'll take a look at both
[05:30] <fiskenslakt> well i get this in syslog:
[05:30] <fiskenslakt> pulseaudio[19940]: [pulseaudio] protocol-native.c: Denied access to client with invalid authorization data.
[06:05] <fiskenslakt> I really can't figure out this sound issue. I keep getting this error in syslog:
[06:05] <fiskenslakt> pulseaudio[3888]: [alsa-sink-ALC887-VD Analog] asyncq.c: q overrun, queuing locally
[06:06] <fiskenslakt> no matter what, everytime i completely kill pulseaudio and allow it to start again, after like 4min it will stop working
[06:29] <k_sze[work]> If I do `dpkg -l 'ibus*'`, I see an `ibus-googlepinyin` listed as uninstalled ("uu"), but it's not a real package, apt says it's purely virtual.
[06:29] <k_sze[work]> How can I find what's referring to it?
[06:29] <k_sze[work]> `apt search ibus-googlepinyin` yielded nothing.
[06:36] <enzotib> k_sze[work]: https://askubuntu.com/questions/670169/how-can-i-find-ibus-googlepinyin
[06:37] <cfhowlett> enzotib, worked for me from 16.04 machine   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9yZmnmxvpX/
[06:37] <k_sze[work]> enzotib: I see. I guess I'll forget about it then.
[06:38] <k_sze[work]> enzotib: I can't even get fcitx to work properly (e.g. I can't get both English and French keyboard layouts working)
[06:40] <k_sze[work]> And the GNOME session freezes if I have selected fcitx as input method system, but accidentally press super+spacebar to switch ibus keyboards.
[07:06] <karstenk> Good morning! When rebooting, my postfix service wont start. But I cant find out why. Nothing in syslog I could recognize which tells me why postfix status is down after reboot. Any suggestions or help to find out why?   When starting manually without problems.
[07:38] <desudesudesu> Hi all. linux and freenode newbie here.
[07:38] <desudesudesu> Is there a way to get a masked hostname on freenode? :S
[07:38] <selckin> yes register nick and turn it on
[07:39] <desudesudesu> Thanks. The real reason i came here is to ask if there is a decent IRC program to use on bionic beaver
[07:39] <desudesudesu> When i try irssi or xchat i get the following:
[07:39] <desudesudesu>  gnupg : Breaks: software-properties-common (<= 0.96.24.3) but 0.96.20.7 is to be installed
[07:49] <BSC_> hi everyone! I am having troubles using symlinks in Ubuntu 18.04 which I didn't encounter in 16.04 and earlier. I have a work-partition that is mounted as /opt/work and I usually symlink important parts of that from my home-dir. Sadly, some open-file dialogs do not seem to support reading from other partitions and/or my symlinks. I guess it's rather an issue of mount options than symlinking. any ideas or suggestions?
[07:51] <BSC_> I also suspect that it's related to Snaps
[07:52] <Ben64> why would it be snaps
[07:53] <BSC_> Ben64: because it does not happen with all programs. I already found something helpful (the guy asking is having the same issues as I am): https://askubuntu.com/questions/964377/snap-application-doesnt-see-files-from-another-partition
[07:54] <nisankhindia> BSC_: how you have configured and created the symlink from another partition to your home directory . can you post the command that you have used in your system
[07:55] <BSC_> nisankhindia: I usually do "ln -s /opt/work/[name of dir] [another name of dir]"
[07:55] <k_sze[work]> fcitx is seriously bonkers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No76EdjNkXs
[07:57] <nisankhindia> BSC_: if you have created the symlink into your USER Home directory like inside /home/$USER/ than it should be inside /home/ as they dont belong to user , example mkdir -p /home/var mv /var/lib /home/var/ ln -s /home/var/lib /var/lib
[07:57] <BSC_> having had troubles with Snaps boils down to "how to get rid of snaps alltogether" for me :-/
[08:00] <BSC_> nisankhindia: I don't get your suggestion. It's not the symlinks which are not working. I can use them from the shell, many applications etc. It really boils down to snaps. And the reason as to why they behave differently are explained in the link to askubuntu (see above)
[08:00] <geirha> uhm why would you move /var/lib into /home? that doesn't make sense
[08:01] <nisankhindia> geirha: look at the last line after move
[08:03] <geirha> nisankhindia: still doesn't make sense in the context of BSC_'s issue
[08:04] <nisankhindia> geirha: it was miscommunication , so i have already shorted out that with the OP . thanks
[08:10] <BSC_> Snaps really are a major pita... Does anyone know if it's safe (and suggested) to add plugs to the yaml file of an existing Snap? I am using one which does not seem to support "removable-media"
[08:12] <BSC_> I am actually thinking of removing the snaps alltogether as they seem to be another case of "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> BSC_: for snap support we reccomend to contact the proper maintainer of the actual snap
[08:16] <nisankhindia> BSC_: Snap support please visit : https://forum.snapcraft.io/ or read docs at https://docs.snapcraft.io/
[08:16] <shazer> Hey I'm trying to use fingerprint-gui but when I add a fingerprint, it identifys my finger once but not twice
[08:17] <BSC_> lotuspsychje: thanks, I'll think about that. But I also think that my issue is more of a general problem with snaps. I have already spent too many hours investigating the intricacies of Snap
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> BSC_: its the users choice, if you dont like snapd you can remove it from your system
[08:18] <BSC_> lotuspsychje: now THAT sounds like a great suggestion :D
[08:18] <shazer> Hey I'm trying to use fingerprint-gui but when I add a fingerprint, it identifys my finger once but not twice https://imgur.com/a/bhkaO6t
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> BSC_: just keep in mind, some snaps come by default on your ubuntu install, removing snapd might have consequences
[08:20] <BSC_> lotuspsychje: Yeah, chromium is one of them and there are others which I wouldn't want to gamble with. Snap seems to be a time-wasting monster in any way :-/
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> BSC_: take a look at: snap list
[08:20] <nisankhindia> shazer: provide your distribution details ( lsb_release -a or cat /etc/*release ) , hardware details ( lsusb ), check the dependencies installed or not .. and
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> BSC_: chromium is not instaleld by default, but there are current plans to maintain chromium on snap instead of the apt package
[08:23] <shazer> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y2xpT7vMWQ/
[08:26] <BSC_> lotuspsychje: I don't remember exactly, but I am quite certain that I installed chromium using apt-get or the Software Center. I still got a snap that way
[08:27] <BSC_> on another note: what is a good markdown editor for Ubuntu? I just tried Typora when I ran into that issue with snaps and remote file systems
[08:29] <shazer> nisankhindia: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y2xpT7vMWQ/
[08:34] <Cheez> BSC_: i strongly prefer vs code for a markdown editor over anything else ive used.
[08:42] <desudesudesu> I keep getting these kinds of errors when I try to apt-get install :
[08:42] <desudesudesu> "gnupg : Breaks: software-properties-common (<= 0.96.24.3) but 0.96.20.7 is to be installed"
[08:42] <desudesudesu> Does this mean that I need an older version of software-properties-common ? Is it because python-pip is not yet stable on bionicbeaver?
[08:45] <desudesudesu> I've tried apt-get with -m and -f. Same error :S
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> desudesudesu: have you added external ppa's to your system?
[08:50] <geirha> desudesudesu: could you pastebin the output of this?   apt-cache policy gnupg software-properties-common
[08:52] <desudesudesu> lotuspsychje: Not that I recall. Not on this machine.
[08:52] <desudesudesu> geirha: one moment for paste
[08:52] <desudesudesu> https://pastebin.com/QHRP58SY
[08:52] <desudesudesu> afk 5 minutes. Appreciate the response.
[08:54] <geirha> You have a 1.4.20 version of gnupg installed, which doesn't come from any of the currently added apt sources
[08:55] <geirha> that gnupg package version happens to be the latest of xenial
[08:56] <geirha> something's gone wrong after upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04
[08:57] <geirha> what happens if you try to upgrade those two packages?   sudo apt install gnupg software-properties-common
[09:01] <desudesudesu> Ah thank you. It is now upgrading with sudo apt install gnupg software-properties-common
[09:02] <desudesudesu> I may have effed something up when i did the dist upgrade. Will see what happens after apt is done with this
[09:02] <desudesudesu> Many thanks. Still new to nix. Trying to get away from windows as much as possible. Your help and effort is sincerely appreciated <3
[09:18] <fr0xk> How do I rollback to this btrfs snapshot : http://0x0.st/sEbd.txt (To last .snapshots/rootfs)
[09:47] <tachikomas> Hello ubuntu channel. I'm running 18.04.1 latest version on a X230 (Lenovo), and i have trouble getting my lid cover detected. When i cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID the status is always open. Anything i can do for it ?
[09:47] <tachikomas> It is working under other os.
[09:50] <frib> I can't use ibus anthy input in wine if I run using sudo
[09:50] <frib> anybody know how to fix that?
[09:50] <frib> the exact command I'm using is: sudo -E ip netns exec alt4 sudo -u mark WINEPREFIX=~/.winejpalt4 LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 wine run.exe
[09:51] <frib> whereas if I just run WINEPREFIX=~/.winejp LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 wine run.exe it works fine
[09:56] <Zeljko> when i want to install HOPM on ubuntu, i've got an error Leaving directory
[10:10] <ppf> can i resize a partition the partition of the running OS?
[10:10] <mgedmin> usually yes
[10:11] <gigirock> Zeljko, is HOPM a linux game ?
[10:11] <ppf> mgedmin: usually meaning?
[10:11] <mgedmin> at least you can enlarge a mounted ext4 partition with resize2fs; shrinking might not be supported
[10:11] <mgedmin> (according to the manual page)
[10:11] <gigirock> ppf if that partition is the RUNNING one NO
[10:12] <mgedmin> the other difficulty is getting the kernel to reload the changed partition table, when you have some of the partitions mounted
[10:12] <mgedmin> I remember doing online resizing a few years back, but I've forgotten all the specifics ...
[10:12] <ppf> my setup of a 120g disk is {80g sda1 (/), 2g swap, void}
[10:12] <mgedmin> this is one of those situations where LVM makes things easier
[10:13] <ppf> so i swapoff, delete swap, recreate it at the end of the disk, and then resize2fs?
[10:13] <mgedmin> essentially
[10:13] <mgedmin> make backups etc.
[10:13] <gigirock> ppf at your risk
[10:14] <mgedmin> it's a fun exercise if you're prepared for the worst, in case something goes wrong
[10:14] <mgedmin> and you might need a reboot after the partition table change where you move the swap to the end and resize the / partition
[10:15] <mgedmin> resizing filesystem and resizing partition are separate steps; when you're enlarging things, you resize the partition first and then run resize2fs to grow the filesystem to the new size
[10:15] <mgedmin> when you're shrinking things, you shrink the filesystem first (while it's unmounted), then shrink the partition
[10:15] <ppf> wait, resize2fs is for the filesystem only
[10:16] <mgedmin> and it's always scary because if you accidentally shrink too much and cut off the tail end of the filesystem, well, that's Not Good At All
[10:16] <mgedmin> I believe tools like parted can combine both steps into one command
[10:16] <ppf> gigirock: no and at my risk are vastly different answers :)
[10:16] <mgedmin> but I don't remember if parted supports online resizing
[10:17] <mgedmin> there should be tutorials on the net; I wouldn't trust my memory
[10:17] <mgedmin> but it's helpful to know that online resizing is a thing that's possible (under some circumstances)
[10:18] <ppf> apparently there's also growpart
[10:18] <ppf> that sounds helpful
[10:19] <mgedmin> ... I think that changes the partition table only, leaving you to resize the filesystem yourself afterwards
[10:20] <ppf> sure, but that's just resize2fs
[10:20] <mgedmin> yeah
[10:21] <ppf> 'just' meaning the manpage says it works for mounted partitions
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:44] <Paddy_NI> I just installed a new NVidia 1050 ti gpu on a system running Ubuntu MATE 18.04, initially I installed the only other listed driver in the "additional drivers" app "jockey" I think and it seemed to have installed correctly.  However upon rebooting I now have 1600x900 as the highest resolution available (not the previous 1920x1080).  I thought perhaps I should use the driver from NVidias website, so I switched back
[10:44] <Paddy_NI> to the previous Nouveau driver and rebooted.  Upon rebooting there was only one resolution available 1024x768. So I installed the driver from the website and reboot, I still have really poor resolution options and I am not sure I should trust this system.
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI, which driver did you install from the website, the 390 or 396 ?
[10:52] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, Oh the 390.87
[10:53] <hollusion> hello
[10:53] <hollusion> can you recommend a tool for converting heic to jpg?
[10:53] <hollusion> a simple cli tool would be nice
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI, that driver should be available to build from the repos if you have dkms installed...shouldn't have to use the website driver
[10:54] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, Yeah I tried the driver listed in "additional drivers"
[10:55] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, It does not run at the correct resolution
[10:55] <BluesKaj> I'm not really familiar with mate DE, but make sure dkms is insatalled
[10:56] <BluesKaj> installed rather
[10:57] <Paddy_NI> Okay, it's rather odd that the additional drivers dialog does not handle this
[10:57] <Paddy_NI> I would also have though that dkms would be installed OOTB
[10:58] <Paddy_NI> brb, going to try this
[10:59] <BluesKaj> additional drivers is an older app that i haven't seen in the latest releases
[10:59] <BluesKaj> guess mate is kind of traditional
[11:30] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, I
[11:30] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, I think MATE uses Jockey whereas Ubuntu uses a fork of Jockey which is integrated into software center
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI, ok
[11:33] <humblewolf> my ubuntu 18 has gcc but no g++, are they both seperate packages ??
[11:33] <mgedmin> yep
[11:36] <humblewolf> so Installing gcc does not gurantee g++ ??
[11:45] <mgedmin> no
[11:45] <mgedmin> separate languages, separate packages
[11:45] <mgedmin> you don't get gfortran either
[11:45] <JimBuntu> Although, g++ will depend on gcc, if talking about the standard repo packages
[11:56] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, Hey I don't mean to take too much of your time, would it be okay if you give this a literal once over?  https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/528263/linux/incorrect-monitor-resolution-after-installation-of-nvidia-current-package-via-synaptic-running-linux/
[11:56] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, The post by "Tumbar" seems thorough enough
[11:56] <Paddy_NI> I am not sure how this is going to work long term with my not so savvy client
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI, what does, sudo ubuntu-drivers list, show in the terminal ?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> or lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes, to see which driver is in use
[12:23] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, Cool will, do. I must get ssh going on this other PC as it's downstairs
[12:23] <Paddy_NI> Thanks for your time mate
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI, np
[12:42] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, output of "ubuntu-drivers list" nvidia-driver-390
[12:42] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj, Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[12:42] <Paddy_NI> I am guessing I need to create a newmode
[12:44] <hateball> Paddy_NI: are you using nvidia-settings to see available resolutions?
[12:44] <Paddy_NI> hateball, The highest listed is 1600x900
[12:45] <Paddy_NI> I found this script on the Ubuntu forums https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mjnc5c7QYY/
[12:45] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: check what the monitor is reporting to the GPU via EDID - those modes come from that
[12:45] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if I was to swap out "1600x900" with "1920x1080" if that would do the trick
[12:46] <Paddy_NI> TJ-, Well using the opensource driver I get 1920x1080 and the display normally works flawlessly with just about any other chipset so I am certain its a problem with the driver
[12:47] <Paddy_NI> For instance it is not even using 1600x900 by default with the Nvidia driver, its using 960x540
[12:47] <Paddy_NI> TJ-, How would I check that information anyway?
[12:49] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: it'll be in the Xorg.0.log, usually at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or more lately, in a per-user directory I believe
[12:56] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install read-edid && sudo get-edid | parse-edid
[12:59] <Paddy_NI> Thanks OerHeks, this is the output from "get-edid" https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tnfXWgG7Y2/
[12:59] <bonno> Hello, I need help with my computer graphics being slow. I'm using a laptop with intelhd520 and watching youtube 1080p is impossible
[13:00] <bonno> it's a fresh install of ubuntu
[13:00] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: looks like the monitor's EDID is broken, according to the "checksum failed" message
[13:01] <Paddy_NI> TJ-, Oh so this issue may not happen on a different display
[13:03] <Paddy_NI> TJ-, It's funny how the 1050 TI with the Open Source driver does guess correctly yet the proprietary does not.  Also the onboard graphics guess correctly and the previously installed R9 280x guesses correctly
[13:03] <Paddy_NI> This is actually the first time I have had this issue
[13:03] <bonno> any ideas would be appreciated. everything was fine before restarting my computer:(
[13:07] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: when the EDID doesn't provide specific 'modelines' the driver tries to figure out the best choice from the Horizontal and Vertical frequencies, and, I think, the aspect ratio of the reported physical screen dimensions
[13:33] <bonno> could anyone please help me with my graphics problem?
[13:34] <bonno> i've been using linux for a couple weeks and been unable to fix this myself
[13:34] <OerHeks> just read back, bonno , sounds like this SNA and tearfree issue https://askubuntu.com/questions/752743/ubuntu-16-04-skylake-6th-generation-screen-flickering
[13:35] <OerHeks> sudo gedit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf ( this is an empty page) and copy that info
[13:36] <OerHeks> *if* it does not work, see next post to use UXA instead of SNA
[13:39] <bonno> sorry, what info. i did leave the channel for a while and irssi (irc client i am using) does not store history (not sure if other irc clients do)
[13:40] <bonno> ah found it in the link
[13:41] <bonno> and restart afterwards? @OerHeks
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> bonno: that would be a good idea
[13:48] <bonno> hey, that helped, but it reset my monitors positions. after i set them up the way i need to (one monitor is clockwise), the lags appeared again
[13:50] <bonno> OerHeks: should i now try accelmethod uxa or do you have any other ideas?
[13:53] <TJ-> bonno: so rotation (transformation) is the problem then
[13:54] <bonno> likely. any ideas on how to fix that?
[13:54] <TJ-> bonno: presumably that can't be done in the GPU hardware so it is done by (CPU) software, which incurs the performance penalty
[13:55] <bonno> does that mean there's no way out of this but to use landscape mode?
[13:55] <mgedmin> rotated monitors are made of sadness and tears
[13:56] <bonno> well, that's inspiring haha
[13:56] <mgedmin> *cough* different subpixel ordering *cough*
[13:56] <rory> Does Ubuntu have per-monitor font smoothing yet?
[13:57] <rory> that is one thing I appreciate about W10 - the nice per-display DPI and font settings so I can rotate without squinty eyes
[13:57] <rory> and the aqueducts
[13:57] <mgedmin> my gut feeling is "probably not"
[13:58] <TJ-> rory: no, and I speak as someone that operates 6-monitor systems :)
[13:58] <mgedmin> it might be technically possible, in wayland, but I think it need special support from the toolkit (to use not just different scaling modes, but also different fontconfig contexts for different outputs), and I haven't heard about anyone doing the work to support that
[13:58] <rory> It's not a huge deal it just makes some fonts look indescribably weird
[13:58] <TJ-> rory: having all monitors identical is the bets way to go :)
[13:58] <mgedmin> just look how long it took to get color emoji support ...
[13:58] <rory> yeah but then I miss out on 1200x1920 goodness
[13:59] <bonno> welp, guess that will be the way to go
[13:59] <rory> when you get a document up on that baby, you are REALY looking at that document
[13:59] <bonno> reading my code in portrait mode was fun but i guess you can't have everything
[13:59] <mgedmin> anyway I've turned off subpixel rendering and I'm trying to get used to pure grayscale antialiasing, so that I could use rotated monitors maybe at some time in the future maybe
[13:59] <TJ-> rory: well, that is relative. my 6 monitor configs use 1920x1200 and that's fine, but connect one of those combined with a hiDPI display and it looks coarse :)
[14:00] <bonno> thanks a bunch, imma go live my life now
[14:00] <bonno> ta-tah
[14:00] <TJ-> I generally keep the rotated monitors in the same X screen, so maybe that helps too, I don't mix orientations in the same X screen
[14:01] <libc> Hello.  When using Enhanced Zoom with compiz, is there a way to have it use a single zoom pane across multiple display rather than a separate pane on each?
[14:03] <hollusion> i just installed the package "imagemagick"
[14:03] <hollusion> but i cant find its binary
[14:03] <libc> can you run it?
[14:03] <hollusion> imagemagick and magick do not exist
[14:03] <hollusion> as commands
[14:04] <hollusion> "imagemagick is already the newest version (8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-16ubuntu6.4)"
[14:05] <OerHeks> magick <original>.jpg <target>.png >> https://legacy.imagemagick.org/script/magick.php
[14:05] <mgedmin> hollusion: imagemagick shipts a lot of binaries with names like 'convert' and 'display' and 'mogrify'
[14:05] <mgedmin> dpkg -L imagemagick will show you all the files owned by that package
[14:05] <ppf> hollusion: the command is named convert
[14:05] <rory> imagemagick doesn't provide a command called the same, it provides "convert" among others
[14:05] <OerHeks> or the whole list https://legacy.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php
[14:06] <hollusion> thank you
[14:06] <mgedmin> except it's an empty packge; the binaries are actually shipped by a dependency -- dpkg -L imagemagick-6.q16 on ubuntu 18.04 lts
[14:07] <hollusion> was hoping it would be able to convert heic to jpg but it does not seem like it
[14:07] <mgedmin> and augh everything's obscured by the alternatives system
[14:07] <hollusion> http://dpaste.com/0Y9H90C
[14:07] <mgedmin> /usr/bin/convert is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/convert is a symlink to /usr/bin/convert-im6.q16
[14:07] <mgedmin> there's probably a manual page that lists all the commands
[14:09] <OerHeks> whole post about HEIC, one better exports from apple as jpg than convert  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45460611/convert-heif-heic-to-jpeg-on-a-server
[14:09] <JimBuntu> hollusion, ' ls -half ~/Downloads/BFGC/IMG_30451.HEIC '
[14:11] <hollusion> JimBuntu, http://dpaste.com/0C3G4HP
[14:11] <hollusion> had a typo in the filename
[14:11] <hollusion> but it seems the ubuntu imagemagick package does not know HEIC format
[14:11] <JimBuntu> Ah, ok. I wanted to make sure that wasn't going to also be an issue. Thanks.
[14:56] <ezzieyguywuf> I'm working on packaging a project and uploading to ppa. I've made a slight tweak to my upstream (changed the minimum cmake version) that did not result in a new release version. I've downloaded the slightly modified tarball and re-packaged, whenever I try to dput my new package into ppa it complains that my orig.tar.bz does not match
[14:56] <ezzieyguywuf> is there a way to explicitly tell dbuild "hey, my orig.tar.bz is the same filename but the file itself is different" or do I have to actually bump the version on my upstream in order to make this work?
[14:57] <tgm4883> ezzieyguywuf: you would generally bump the version number since it's not the same
[15:04] <TJ-> ezzieyguywuf: just needs a "dch -i" or do it manually
[15:07] <Malgorath> I'm installing 18.04 Ubuntu( normal installation) and I can see my 3TB drive fine but the 14.6TB Raid I have setup is only being seen as 2TB. Any idea why?
[15:09] <ezzieyguywuf> TJ-: tgm4883: so change the version number on the package? that I don't mind doing
[15:09] <gpunk> i am not sure but maybe the patitionning, gpt or msdos have you partitioned ?
[15:10] <Malgorath> Yeah just as a test I installed windows 10 pro and it read and worked with the drive with no issue
[15:10] <Malgorath> No special drivers or anything
[15:10] <TJ-> Malgorath: seen as 2TB by what?
[15:10] <Malgorath> fdisk
[15:10] <ezzieyguywuf> that did it! thanks you two.
[15:11] <TJ-> Malgorath: well that would be expected. try "gdisk"
[15:11] <ezzieyguywuf> drat, actually launchpad complains now
[15:11] <TJ-> Malgorath: fdisk has advanced a bit but is still stuck in the MBR heritage of max 32-bit offsets and so forth
[15:11] <Malgorath> fdisk -l is the command and it sees both 8TB drives as sda/sdb and on install fdisk say the sdd(14.5tb) raid but no on reboot I don't see the drive, so I'm thinking its probably a driver issues. but I'm not really up on raid stuff and not sure what drivers if any I would need
[15:12] <ezzieyguywuf> is it possible to change the orig.tar.bz in launchpad without changing the filename?
[15:12] <TJ-> Malgorath: is it hardware RAID?
[15:12] <Malgorath> TJ-, yes
[15:12] <Malgorath> I have a z620 HP workstation
[15:13] <TJ-> Malgorath: true hardware raid, or fakeRAID? you said sda/sdb are 8TB which inferred they are the underlying disks of the 14.5TB sdd
[15:14] <Malgorath> TJ- its a true hardware raid, lshw | grep -i raid => product: C600/X79 series chipset SATA RAID Controller
[15:14] <TJ-> Malgorath: are you on it now? can you show us "pastebinit <( lsblk )"
[15:15] <Malgorath> let install pastebinit, I just installed 18.04 on the 3tb drive
[15:16] <Malgorath> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p73ZqRTGj6/
[15:17] <TJ-> Malgorath: OK, that is FakeRAID - e.g. the firmware/BIOS can configure it, but the OS needs a driver
[15:17] <mgedmin> lsblk ftw
[15:17] <TJ-> Malgorath: in real hardware RAID all you wouls see is the logical RAID device, not the underlying disks
[15:17] <Malgorath> TJ- ah this thing says it has onboard raid controller with 6 ports...
[15:18] <TJ-> Malgorath: right, but it isn't a hardware RAID, it's a lie. It is fakeRAID
[15:18] <TJ-> Malgorath: see e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[15:19] <Malgorath> Thanks TJ
[15:20] <TJ-> Malgorath: that wiki is just FYI read the first paragraphs. Ignore the technical stuff and commands, we'll help you sort that part out (that article is quite out-of-date )
[15:20] <Malgorath> TJ-, i was about to ask but yes I see what you mean
[15:22] <TJ-> Malgorath: now you need to install dmraid package. "sudo apt install dmraid"
[15:22] <TJ-> !info dmraid
[15:22] <Malgorath> TJ-, says its already installed
[15:23] <TJ-> Malgorath: that's good, in which case we can investigate what it sees
[15:24] <TJ-> Malgorath: try "sudo dmraid -ay"
[15:24]  * mgedmin should research dmraid vs mdadm someday
[15:25] <Malgorath> TJ-, RAID set "isw_ecehhcgibh_Volume0" already active
[15:26] <TJ-> Malgorath: OK, so you should be able to access it as /dev/mapper/isw_ecehhcgibh_Volume0
[15:26] <Malgorath> Correct but that is being read as 1.8T
[15:27] <Malgorath> I already did a clonezilla of the Raid so if I have to rebuild the array I'm okay with that tbh
[15:28] <TJ-> Malgorath: what is reporting the 1.8T size ?
[15:28] <Malgorath> it was in the lsblk you had me pastebin
[15:29] <TJ-> Malgorath: no matter I see it! Right, so all that means is the entire RAID size isn't used, only 1.8T as Volume0
[15:29] <Malgorath> oh wait
[15:29] <Malgorath> if i do gdisk I see 13.8TB
[15:29] <Malgorath> on partition 4
[15:30] <TJ-> Malgorath: the 'lsblk' output suggests you've got 2 x 7.3TB disk, in RAID-1 mirror
[15:30] <Malgorath> That is correct
[15:30] <Malgorath> and not mirrored
[15:30] <Malgorath> Raid 0
[15:31] <TJ-> Malgorath: Mirrored
[15:31] <TJ-> Look at the major:minor device numbers in the lsblk output, they're identical for sda and sdb
[15:31] <mgedmin> might be a striped configuration
[15:31] <Malgorath> I'd hope so I bought 2 HDDs the exact same
[15:31] <Malgorath> its Striped in BIOS
[15:32] <TJ-> hmmm, lets look at the actual device nodes: "pasteinbint <( ls -l /dev/block/ )"
[15:33] <Malgorath> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C78Q8TbzKZ/
[15:33] <TJ-> OK, I'm getting confused, don't mind me!
[15:34] <TJ-> right, what we see is only 1.8T allocated according to dmraid, of the total
[15:35] <TJ-> Malgorath: is that what you were expecting?
[15:35] <Malgorath> So on install it read the wrong setup for the raid?
[15:35] <Malgorath> No
[15:35] <Malgorath> As with windows I have 14.8 TB of storage and I'd rather have it setup in linux for that space
[15:37] <TJ-> Malgorath: show us "pastebinit <( sudo dmraid -s -s isw_ecehhcgibh_Volume0 )"
[15:38] <TJ-> Malgorath: my point is, there may be 14.8TB /but/ only 1.8TB is allocated according to dmraid, via lsblk. If you know that the entire 14.8TB is allocated to file systems then there is a problem
[15:39] <Malgorath> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52QY23YRWN/
[15:39] <Malgorath> TJ-, I have the 14.8TB setup with windows 10 on it just to see if it would work
[15:40] <Malgorath> So it has a working partition, I wouldn't imagine it not reading a simple windows partition
[15:40] <TJ-> Malgorath: now lets try "pastebinit <( sudo dmraid -s -s isw_ecehhcgibh )"
[15:41] <TJ-> Malgorath: is the host running a 64-bit amd64 Ubuntu ?
[15:41] <Malgorath> yes
[15:41] <Malgorath> ERROR: either the required RAID set not found or more options required no raid sets and with names: "isw_ecehhcgibh"
[15:41] <Malgorath> when i ran that
[15:41] <TJ-> OK, that's fine
[15:42] <TJ-> I was trying to ensure we weren't looking too deep into the set
[15:43] <TJ-> so now lets try the superset itself: "pastebinit <( sudo dmraid -s isw_ecehhcgibh )"
[15:43] <Malgorath> Same error
[15:44] <TJ-> Malgorath: In Windows does Disk Management show the entire 14.8TB under a single device ?
[15:44] <Malgorath> yes
[15:45] <TJ-> Malgorath: I suspect the Intel SoftWare (ISW) fakeraid metadata on that system is not fully understood by dmraid. What Ubuntu release are you using?
[15:46] <Malgorath> 18.04
[15:47] <TJ-> right, and redhat basically abandoned dmraid in 2010 so it is likely out of date.
[15:48] <TJ-> So I think for safety you need to a) remove dmraid so you can't accidentally destroy the raid set and b) investigate if mdadm's support for ISW is any better!
[15:50] <tombee> Hey all. Is there any way to debug a preseed unattended install to ensure that the preseed/file is being loaded correctly?
[15:51] <TJ-> Malgorath: try this: "sudo mdadm --query /dev/sda" and pastebin the results
[15:52] <Malgorath> TJ-, should I apt purge dmraid?
[15:54] <Malgorath> TJ-, /dev/sda: is not an md array /dev/sda: device -1 in 0 device inactive container array.  Use mdadm --examine for more detail.
[15:57] <Malgorath> brb
[16:01] <TJ-> Malgorath: try "sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sda"  - we're trying to ascertain if mdadm can handle that kind of fakeRAID metadata
[16:05] <Malgorath> back
[16:06] <Malgorath> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XNQFdFjs4Z/
[16:14] <TJ-> Malgorath: looks like bad news then, intel haven't contributed the newer metadata handling to either of the linux RAID management tools. I can't find anything more recent about ISW either
[16:16] <Malgorath> So its a no go with raid? Weird cause the clonezilla saw all 15TB and let me do a back up of it
[16:18] <TJ-> Malgorath: in which case maybe we just need something extra. I'm trying to find some examples of using mdadm with recent ISW metadata via the mdadm mailing list but not seen anything so far
[16:20] <Malgorath> okay
[16:24] <TJ-> Malgorath: can you show us "pastebinit <( sudo mdadm --detail-platform )" - this reports on what the disk controller hardware supports according to the kernel
[16:25] <TJ-> ISW is also known as Intel Matrix Storage Manager (IMSM)
[16:25] <Malgorath> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2ZTkh669hh/
[16:26] <TJ-> I've got some old Promise controllers that are utilised by dmraid, but got no intel MSM set up here
[16:27] <rneese> hey guys
[16:28] <TJ-> Malgorath: that looks good, array disks are on ports 0 and 1
[16:28] <rneese> is there a tool in lxde or other desktops to display avaible usb ports  ?
[16:28] <TJ-> Malgorath: so now we re-visit why mdadm doesn't seem to recognise the metadata
[16:30] <Malgorath> TJ-, Will I see an increase in speed since this is SW or is this just basically just so I have  1 big drive?
[16:31] <TJ-> Malgorath: increase in speed? I'm not sure what you mean?
[16:32] <Malgorath> The reason for the raid is to have increased drive speed(2 drives should be faster then one)
[16:32] <TJ-> Ahhh, well RAID-0 stripes should in theory help since reads/writes can go to 2 drives simultaneously
[16:33] <Malgorath> Thats what I was hoping for, if this isn't going to do that I'll just break the raid and setup the drives as 2 8TB drives
[16:33] <TJ-> In terms of any software overhead there is very little. The metadata on-disk that dmraid/mdadm read is used to configure the device-mapper core, so it knows how to translate a write to logical sector X of a RAID device to the correct sector of the underlying device.
[16:35] <TJ-> Malgorath: what I'm puzzled by is why "mdadm --query /dev/sda" didn't find any metadata, since it should have, as we know from dmraid it is there and usuable (although dmraid handles it incorrectly)
[16:38] <Malgorath> going to reboot, brb
[16:47] <Malgorath> TJ-, umm good news after reboot its being seeing right, i jsut formated it to ext4 and moving my /home partition on to it
[16:47] <TJ-> Malgorath: really!? What did you change
[16:47] <TJ-> Malgorath: eeek, I hope you don't mind losing your documents then, or you're taking good off-PC backups :)
[16:48] <TJ-> Malgorath: I'd never trust data to a RAID-0. I'd want a RAID-01/10 (mirror + stripe) for some redundancy
[16:48] <Malgorath> TJ-, I did a full clonezilla of the windows partition before I started this whole mess today
[16:49] <Malgorath> TJ-, most of my work is going to be throw away, I'm learning LXD containers and how to get things done with them
[16:49] <TJ-> Malgorath: ahh.. you know LXD puts its containers under /var/lib/lxd, not in user home
[16:50] <TJ-> Malgorath: I'd be inclined to use LVM for 14.8TB and then create LVs as needed and mount them where they do most good
[16:50] <Malgorath> TJ-, I was wondering where they are stored
[16:50] <Malgorath> TJ-, are you saing I should make the raid my /var dir?
[16:51] <TJ-> Malgorath: you could create (say) 2 partitions on the RAID, make separate LVM VGs in each, and allocate 1 exclusively to LXD, use the other for your own requirements
[16:52] <Malgorath> TJ-, So you mean make like a 10T partition for just /var and then the rest for /home?
[16:52] <TJ-> Malgorath: unless you're doing something extremely dataset-hungry I can't imagine containers using much space
[16:53] <Malgorath> TJ I literally only hve this much space cause I had to ext 8tb drives sitting on the shelf, I had a 250G SSD as primary drive but didn't know if it was worth keeping in since its so small
[16:53] <TJ-> Malgorath: something like that, but don't allocate one to /var/. Instead, when you configure LXD give it one of the VGs for its exclusive use
[16:54] <Malgorath> TJ-, I've never used LVM before, I always manually partition everything
[16:54] <TJ-> Malgorath: Generally my LXD containers rarely grow above 4GB each, but it depends on what you're using them for of course
[16:54] <Malgorath> TJ-, mostly this is for me to learn the stuff I need to take the LFCE and maybe a few other courses/certs
[16:54] <TJ-> Malgorath: Well, LXD ideally preferes to use ZFS, but it works well with LVM too. If you split your RAID into 2 partitions, you could let LXD have one to use as ZFS or LVM, but it'd be exclusive to it
[16:55] <fernandobasso> Hi folks. How do I make apt use a certain .ca or .crt certificate?
[16:55] <TJ-> Malgorath: LXD likes ZFS/LVM since it can do snapshots and copy-on-write type operations
[16:55] <TJ-> fernandobasso: that question doesn't make sense; can you explain more
[16:56] <TJ-> fernandobasso: apt doesn't use X509 certificates to verify, it uses gpg signatures
[16:57] <Malgorath> hmm... Should I use the SSD as / and setup the 3TB for just Backup(auto/incermentals at night) and then leave the Raid unmounted and setup LXD to use it? I mean I did that already with the 3tb drive and the SSD just trying to figure out if the raid is going to be worth the headache now
[16:58] <TJ-> Malgorath: I think, when you've got no real need for that amount of space, deciding what to do is much harder!
[16:59] <TJ-> Malgorath: I'd trust the SSD far more than spinning disks for the OS and /home/ though
[17:00] <Malgorath> TJ-, okay I'll redo the setup, but would you suggest just breaking up the raid then and maybe mount 1 8tb as /var and leave the other for LXD?
[17:01] <TJ-> Malgorath: if you're going to reserve some for LXD there's no need to use 8TB for var! the only thing that really grows in /var/ is /var/log /var/cache/apt /var/lib/dpkg - and I never exceed 8GB for /var/
[17:02] <TJ-> Malgorath: the only thing that makes sense for 14TB is video editing and the like
[17:03] <Malgorath> So typical me, I over did it again... ugh
[17:03] <TJ-> Malgorath: but you're having fun, right!? :D
[17:05] <tomreyn> fernandobasso: see the 'Server credentials' section in apt-transport-https(1)
[17:05] <tomreyn> i.e. you may want to use the Acquire::https::CAInfo::host option
[17:05] <ezzieyguywuf> I'm trying to follow the instructions located here: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Mirroring_repositories_from_other_sites
[17:05] <ezzieyguywuf> however, I don't see anywhere in my launchpad that says "configuration options"
[17:06] <ezzieyguywuf> does anyone know where I may find this link?
[17:07] <tomreyn> ezzieyguywuf: this may be more suitable in #launchpad
[17:07] <Hamilton> When does cosmic come?
[17:07] <ezzieyguywuf> tomreyn: great point
[17:07] <tomreyn> !cosmic | Hamilton
[17:07] <OerHeks> Hamilton, *maybe* this month
[17:07] <Hamilton> tomreyn, is it wise to update my bionic when it comes?
[17:08] <Hamilton> or wait a few months for bugs to go off?
[17:08] <OerHeks> if you need to ask, stay on LTS
[17:08] <tomreyn> Hamilton: sorry, i should have pointed you here instead https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseSchedule
[17:10] <tomreyn> Hamilton: in my personal experience (only) the quality of non LTS releases doesn't grow much over time, so if you're happy to run it, i don't think it makes a lot of a difference whether you'll upgrade at release or some weeks/months later.
[17:12] <TJ-> mgedmin: is there some need for wanting 18.10?
[17:12] <tomreyn> (if major issues are identified in it shortly after release, like it happened with 17.10, this would be an exception)
[17:12] <TJ-> oops!!
[17:12] <TJ-> Hamilton: is there some need for wanting 18.10?
[17:12] <TJ-> Hamilton: we already have the HardWare Enablement (HWE) stack of latest kernel and Xorg
[17:13] <Hamilton> TJ-, no, I was just wondering...and I like the background of bionic-beaver more :)
[17:13] <Hamilton> Would the packages in 18.10 be updated from 18.04 (bionic)?
[17:14] <Hamilton> For example I want things like weechat and thunar updated (and I prefer not to add PPAs)
[17:14] <TJ-> Hamilton: If you upgrade to 18.10, then in 9 months you'll have to upgrade again ... and again ... and again, whereas 18.04 is supported for 5 years
[17:15] <TJ-> Hamilton: for weechat, I run it in a container, so you could create an 18.10 (or later) container with latest weechat in, without upgrading the host
[17:15] <Hamilton> Another question, is the main dev-team behind Ubuntu somehow geographically concentrainted? Is it south-africa based or uk based?
[17:16] <TJ-> Hamilton: all over the world
[17:16] <Hamilton> But the firm itself is south-africa based, no?
[17:16] <gpunk> no it's uk
[17:16] <TJ-> Hamilton: Canonical is based in London, registered in Isle of Man originally I believe
[17:17] <Hamilton> gpunk, Then what was south-africa based in ubuntu lore?
[17:17] <TJ-> Hamilton: Shuttleworth is South African, the founder/owner of Canonical
[17:17] <Hamilton> oh
[17:17] <Hamilton> Isle of Man is actually around england?
[17:17] <TJ-> Hamilton: yes
[17:18] <gpunk> it s an island ...
[17:18] <gpunk> lol
[17:18] <Hamilton> I read somewhere that between Ubuntu, openSUSE and RHEL, only ubuntu has managed to get away with copyright of  pre-installed codecs..how is it so?
[17:18] <TJ-> Hamilton: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_%28company%29
[17:19] <TJ-> Hamilton: Canonical (used to) have an optional mpeg license you could buy
[17:19] <TJ-> Hamilton: I think the patents on that have now expired though
[17:20] <Hamilton> TJ-, so now this difference between these distros has vanished?
[17:20] <TJ-> Hamilton: if i recall correctly the license was only required for the MPEG encoder, not decoder
[17:22] <Hamilton> Another question, I use Xfce and most (if not all) of its apps on Ubuntu...Was it better if I installed Xubuntu at first? Or is there some advantage in installing ubuntu then xfce?
[17:23] <gpunk> better install xubutu ... that s my own opignon
[17:23] <TJ-> Hamilton: not much difference, if any
[17:23] <TJ-> Hamilton: the same packages are installed whichever way you do it
[17:24] <Hamilton> what about drivers, decoders and general support? Is Xubuntu always behind official main Ubuntu?
[17:24] <TJ-> Hamilton: you could have several Desktop Environments installed at the same time (e.g. kubuntu,ubuntu,xubuntu,lubuntu,budgie,mate) and just select between them at the greeter log-in
[17:25] <TJ-> Hamilton: it's identical
[17:25] <TJ-> Hamilton: xubuntu is just a different selection of default packages and tools
[17:25] <Hamilton> nice nice
[17:27] <Hamilton> For example Ubuntu's default image viewer takes much longer on my AMD E1 machine to render the image..but xfce's image viewer takes much less...this same behaviour is seen across all apps that I've used (terminal, file manager, application finder,...)
[17:28] <TJ-> Hamilton: that may be due to Ubuntu using a compositor to render fancy effects
[17:29] <TJ-> Hamilton: that sucks up GPU resources for window decorations and the like
[17:31] <RandomTech> hello, i just set up a new system usuing an ubuntu 16 image, however, when i go to run any command with sudo it hangs. Any suggestions on how i can go about troubleshooting this isue?
[17:33] <ioria> RandomTech, sometime it happens due to an hostname issue, but it's a general speculation :þ
[17:34] <TJ-> ioria: I agree with you ... RandomTech is there an active network interface connected?
[17:34] <RandomTech> There are two network interfaces connected (this is a virtual machine, however, if that makes a difference)
[17:35] <TJ-> RandomTech: there was one issue where if all interfaces were down sudo would hang permanently
[17:35] <RandomTech> TJ-: my bad there is one interface connected and routing externally is done outside of the system
[17:36] <ntd> who do i speak to regarding *very* esoteric kernel issues?
[17:36] <TJ-> RandomTech: the hostname issue was due, if I recall correctly, to a combination of nsswitch and nDNS
[17:36] <TJ-> ntd: describe and we'll tell you :)
[17:37] <ntd> ok. upgrading from 4.15.0-34 to -36 is causing issues streaming h264 over rtsp from *some* sources using ffmpeg, not vlc
[17:37] <RandomTech> TJ-: I am able to ping hosts out on the internet from this system if that gives you any more information
[17:37] <ntd> switching back to -34, having done nothing else? no problem
[17:37] <ioria> RandomTech, check also /etc/hosts
[17:39] <RandomTech> ioria: /etc/hosts has a line specifying loopback (127.0.0.1), but deos not have a line specifying its own host name
[17:40] <ioria> RandomTech, add it
[17:40] <TJ-> RandomTech: it's worth adding that: "echo 127.0.1.1 $(hostname)" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts "
[17:41] <Slade> What's the recommended ldap server implementation these days.. apacheds or still openldap
[17:41] <TJ-> ntd: that is a VERY interesting observation. I've been meaning to diagnose and issue where clients drop RTSP streams on wired Ethernet connections but not Wireless, and I think all the hosts are now using -36
[17:42] <TJ-> Slade: FreeIPA uses 389-ds but it depends on what the use-case is
[17:44] <Slade> Ah right. That one too. Basically managing users for sso purposes.
[17:44] <RandomTech> TJ-: will that still work with me not being able to use sudo?
[17:44] <Slade> Was relying on azure + openid connect but that causes issue with desktop applications like git
[17:48] <TJ-> ntd: I've just generated a changelog we can inspect to see if any commits stand out as being able to cause this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sB8TdMVyWd/
[17:48] <TJ-> RandomTech: oops! good point Sherlock
[17:48] <TJ-> RandomTech: have to use pkexec instead I guess, I'd best test that!
[17:48] <RandomTech> pkexec?
[17:49] <ioria> RandomTech, slow != not working
[17:49] <TJ-> RandomTech:  "echo 127.0.1.1 $(hostname)" | pkexec tee -a /etc/hosts "
[17:50] <RandomTech> ioria: i left it run for a half hour on friday, so at this point i am assuming it is not working
[17:50] <ioria> RandomTech, are you in the sudo group ? if not you need recovery
[17:51] <RandomTech> ioria: groups show that i am.
[17:51] <ioria> RandomTech, try recovery
[17:52] <TJ-> ntd: what's the network driver in use?
[17:52] <Slade> Interesting that no ldap servers use a SQL backend.
[17:52] <ioria> RandomTech, you need to remount rw  (mount -o remount,rw /)
[17:52] <TJ-> Slade: because a relational DB isn't the best storage for LDAP, which is read-mostly
[17:53] <RandomTech> ioria: running that command tells me i need root to do so
[17:53] <ioria> RandomTech, in recovery, you are ROOT
[17:54] <Slade> TJ-: indeed. Most apps would benefit from different db types
[17:54] <RandomTech> ioria: im not sure how to get into a recovery state on this system then, as it is virtualized
[17:54] <ntd> TJ-, iirc both have e1000
[17:54] <ioria> RandomTech, from grub -> advanced options
[17:54] <ntd> one might have rtl8***
[17:54] <ntd> ivy and haswell
[17:55] <TJ-> Slade: i was reading up on some ds-389 performance tests for BerkerleyDB vs mySQL recently; quite illuminating
[17:55] <RandomTech> ioria: i do not have grub on this
[17:55] <TJ-> ntd: if you look at the end of the pastebin, some of the first changes, are to the r8169
[17:55] <ioria> RandomTech, reinstall it
[17:56] <ntd> one of them def have dual e1000
[17:56] <Urbanecm> Hi all, I was wondering why host reallynonexistentdomain.com was taking too long and I figured out I have "search svkhk.cz" in /etc/resolv.conf, which can be the cause. The question is: How can I get rid of it?
[17:56] <TJ-> RandomTech: do you mean the VM is loading the kernel/initrd directly from the host, instead of going through a boot loader?
[17:57] <ntd> also: if i switch from ffmpeg to libvlc: no problem (higher cpu usage though=
[17:57] <RandomTech> TJ-: i believe so, i am not sure however, it is an instance on openstack if that gives you any more information
[17:57] <ntd> also: only happens when streaming from one specific source (multiple units)
[17:58] <ioria> RandomTech, check auth.log and syslog
[17:58] <ntd> at diff locations, diff network gear, etc
[17:58] <TJ-> ntd: hmmm, you'd need to do some tracing to pin this down some more. I have on my ToDo list a task to create a mirror port on the switch to capture packets so I can compare the wired/wireless client streams to see if anything stands out
[17:58] <TJ-> RandomTech: did you try using "pkexec" ?
[17:59] <RandomTech> TJ-: it asks me to specify my password which i was unable to do as th user does not have one
[18:00] <TJ-> RandomTech: really!? that is unusual. Hmmm, you're in between a rock and a hard place!
[18:00] <Slade> TJ-, ah they all seem to support it, they just dont advertise it because its that bad i guess
[18:00] <ntd> TJ-, also try downgrading to -34 and try using libvlc instead on -36
[18:01] <TJ-> ntd: in my scenario it is using vlc
[18:01] <ntd> hmmm
[18:01] <TJ-> ntd: next time i'm at the office I'll try the -34 kernel. Have you opened a bug report on this I can follow?
[18:02] <ntd> no, just finished trying everything but downgrading the kernel
[18:02] <ntd> about to go drown some kittens, not the right frame of mind to file a bugtraq
[18:02] <TJ-> ntd: le me know when you have a bug number and I'll subscribe and try to reproduce
[18:02] <ggz> hi
[18:03] <ggz> i changed my driver to nouveau and now X doesnt start, how can i fix it ?
[18:04] <RandomTech> TJ-: yes it seems so, to my knowledge, on this system, instances are created with a default account that has passwordless sudo and login via an ssh-key that you provide during the creation
[18:04] <TJ-> RandomTech: in which case I'd punt the problem up to whoever manages the instance creation, it sounds like it isn't configured correctly
[18:05] <RandomTech> TJ-: the thing is, is that i created the instance so im even more confused
[18:07] <lotus|NUC> ggz: what does ubuntu-drivers list suggests for your system?
[18:09] <TJ-> RandomTech: I'm trying to find the bug reports but with little success; doesn't seem to be posted against the sudo package itself
[18:10] <RandomTech> TJ-: its fine, thank you for your help, im going to have my coworker try to create an instance tomorrow to see if he runs into the same issue as me
[18:10] <RandomTech> thank you too ioria
[18:10] <ggz> lotus|NUC: nvidia-driver-390
[18:18] <lotus|NUC> ggz: try to install it
[18:21] <ggz> lotus|NUC: it work back! thanks! but now i'm again with my previous problem: screen configuration is random and screens goes off when booting
[18:21] <bob91> hi guys
[18:21] <ggz> lotus|NUC: was working fine in 16.04
[18:21] <ggz> i upgraded to 18.04
[18:22] <bob91> anyone knows how to speed up performance in gnome-shell with nvidia drivers on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[18:22] <bob91> I watched a video of a clutter version that run on archlinux that make everthing so smooth
[18:24] <fernandobasso> TJ-: I am behind a firewall. Browsers can access the internet because the certificate has been imported into the browser itself. Apt complains about invalid certificate stuff.
[18:24] <fernandobasso> tomreyn: Okay. I will. thanks.
[18:27] <lotus|NUC> ggz: your current kernel version please?
[18:27] <tomreyn> fernandobasso: maybe you want to install the certificate system-wide instead. see ca-certificates (there is a separate, similarily named package for java).
[18:28] <ddybing> ntu-no
[18:28] <ddybing> sorry
[18:29] <ggz> Linux ggz-zzz 4.4.0-112-lowlatency #135-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 19 12:22:33 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:32] <TJ-> fernandobasso: if apt is complaining that infers you have some https sources configured, and that those server's are deliverying an X509 certificate that isn't signed by a recognised certificate authority. That makes me suspect your network is intercepting HTTPS for deep-packet inspection, which also infers you should install your local DPI server's certificate, or organisation's internal CA cert, into the
[18:32] <TJ-> system certificates, rather than trying to do it per-application.
[18:34] <ggz> lotus|NUC: is it outdated ?
[18:34] <lotus|NUC> ggz: that doesnt look like bionics kernel..
[18:34] <fernandobasso> Alright friends. I'll some more stuff with the new hints you have given me. Thanks a lot. Much appreciated.
[18:35] <ggz> lotus|NUC: okay maybe that's my fault, when it asked to change the grub file, i said no by mistake
[18:35] <lotus|NUC> ggz: share your sources.list in a pastebin to the channel please?
[18:40] <ggz>  lotus|NUC: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kKBf9nW7xB/
[18:42] <lotus|NUC> ggz: let me share mine as its .be too
[18:42] <lotus|NUC> ggz: https://hastebin.com/ajikecosuv.shell
[18:44] <ggz> lotus|NUC: they are the same, i think i just need to reconfigure grub to include the bionic kernal, what is the command ?
[18:45] <lotus|NUC> ggz: sudo update-grub
[18:47] <lotus|NUC> bob91: whats your current nvidia driver version please?
[18:47] <TJ-> ggz: ensure the kernel packages are installed "apt list --installed linux-image*"
[18:48] <ggz> TJ-: thank you, it is. Didn't know that command, i am still using dpkg -l =)
[18:49] <ggz> lotus|NUC: thank you very much for your efficient help, i will now reboot and hope that it will solve the problem
[18:56] <ggz> lotus|NUC: it works as 16.04 !!! thank you very much you are a ubuntu god! it was entirely my fault as i skipped the kernel change and you seen it at the begining =)
[19:03] <JimBuntu> !cookie | lotus|NUC
[19:04] <lotus|NUC> :p
[19:15] <Katnip> !cookie | JimBuntu
[19:15] <JimBuntu> Thanks Katnip - Greetings!
[19:15] <Katnip> howdy
[19:15] <pjs> hey all.. so my thinkpad wouldn't wake up from sleep today so I hard booted it and now gdm doens't load. I have to alt+f2 to get a shell and startx. I did a dist-upgrade, rebooted a few times, same thing. Logs say it started successfully and gdm3 is actually running (as well as gdm-session-worker). Any ideas?
[19:16] <Katnip> how ya been
[19:22] <ioria> pjs, what ubuntu version  ?
[19:26] <pjs> ioria: 18.04
[19:26] <ioria> pjs, your kernel ? uname -r
[19:27] <pjs> ioria: 4.15.0-36-genric
[19:28] <ioria> pjs, ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[19:29] <pjs> 0600 are the perms
[19:29] <pjs> user rw only
[19:29] <pjs> ioria: -rw------- 1 pjs pjs 102 Oct 15 12:23 /home/pjs/.Xauthority
[19:30] <ioria> pjs, cat /proc/cmdline
[19:30] <pjs> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-36-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro quiet mem_sleep_default=deep
[19:30] <pjs> ioria: ^
[19:31] <ioria> pjs, why did you remove splash and add mem_sleep_default=deep ?
[19:32] <pjs> ioria: oh, I thought I removed that. Previously the Thinkpad x1c6 didn't have deep sleep supported. Had to patch the dsdt/acpi table and part of it was adding that to grub defaults
[19:33] <ioria> pjs, mem_sleep_default=deep This fixes the resume problems with the nVidia card.
[19:33] <pjs> but Lenovo fixed it with a bios update. So I'm no longer running the patched dsdt table but I guess I forgot that setting. You think that's the issue? I updated the bios 4 weeks ago and it's been fine
[19:33] <ioria> pjs,  cat /etc/default/grub |  nc termbin.com 9999
[19:34] <pjs> ioria: http://termbin.com/u03e
[19:34] <ioria> pjs,  are you censoring ? :þ
[19:35] <pjs> ioria: no
[19:35] <bumblefuzz> can someone please help me with my DNS on ubuntu 18.04
[19:35] <bumblefuzz> ?
[19:35] <ioria> pjs,  that's not a standard /e/d/grub
[19:35] <pjs> ioria: that's the entire file.. I never edited anything except the edition of mem_sleep_default attr
[19:35] <bumblefuzz> I've followed all the tutorials I can find
[19:36] <bumblefuzz> but my laptop still uses the default DNS supplied by my wifi
[19:36] <bumblefuzz> even though I've specified my own
[19:36] <pjs> ioria: you want /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[19:36] <bray90820> How well does 18.04 work on a touchscreen monitor
[19:36] <ioria> pjs,  that is http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/67QvpKCgvF/
[19:36] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help with my DNS problems?
[19:37] <pjs> ioria: You think that has something to do with it? It's been fine all this time. I don't mind trying it
[19:37] <ioria> pjs,  i lost you, sy
[19:38] <pjs> ioria: You think I need to change the defeaults file?
[19:38] <Rapture> Anybody ever come across ubuntu 16 apt-get check doing a crazy amount of reads on a system?
[19:39] <bumblefuzz> can someone help with my DNS on ubuntu 18.04
[19:39] <bumblefuzz> ?
[19:39] <daniel2> How do you create a package using backportpackage and not upload it.  Specifying workdir is not actually creating the deb packaghe
[19:41] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: I can try but no promises
[19:41] <bray90820> What seems to be the issue
[19:44] <bumblefuzz> bray90820: thanks
[19:44] <bumblefuzz> bray90820: I've tried the internet tutorials and according to tcpdump, it is requesting addresses from the DNS I've specified
[19:45] <bumblefuzz> however, it's still requesting addresses from the address the wireless AP specified
[19:45] <bumblefuzz> I need to stop the requests from the AP specified DNS addresses
[19:46] <bray90820> Have you restarted your networks services?
[19:46] <bumblefuzz> yes
[19:47] <bray90820> Do you know the name of your interface
[19:48] <bumblefuzz> yes
[19:50] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: nmcli device show <interfacename> | grep IP4.DNS
[19:50] <bray90820> Replace <interfacename> with your interface and paste the output here
[19:53] <daniel2> When creating a pbuilder for backports, do you specify the targeted ubuntu version or the ubuntu version with the package you want to backport?
[19:57] <TheRealJohnGalt> Hi, I've installed ubuntu 18.04 to attempt to test amdgpu-pro. I've run the script as outlined here https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/amd-18.30/install-installing.html#installing-the-pro-variant, however I believe only the non-pro variant is in use because some pro features are unsupported (like 4k60 output on hdmi), and the amd tools are missing from the system. Where's the xorg log located so I can check?
[19:58] <nisankhindia> TheRealJohnGalt: universal log location /var/log/
[19:58] <TheRealJohnGalt> nisankhindia: not there, assuming because it's rootless?
[19:59] <nisankhindia> TheRealJohnGalt: check cat /var/log/Xorg.1.log or cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:59] <nisankhindia> check that
[20:00] <TheRealJohnGalt> ➜  ~ ls /var/log/X*
[20:00] <TheRealJohnGalt> zsh: no matches found: /var/log/X*
[20:01] <nisankhindia> TheRealJohnGalt: take a snapshot of the terminal use this command cd /var/log tha ls and take a snapshot of that
[20:02] <OerHeks>  sure you have /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:02] <noln> TheRealJohnGalt, ls -l /proc/<Xorg pid>/fd should list a symlink to the log
[20:03] <TheRealJohnGalt> aha, it's ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
[20:03] <resoluti0n> hi
[20:05] <resoluti0n> I have 3 gnome extensions that do not load since I upgrade to 18.10...has anyone experienced the same issue?
[20:06] <OerHeks> TheRealJohnGalt, look at the date,  ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log is from install time
[20:06] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | resoluti0n
[20:06] <TheRealJohnGalt> OerHeks: no, it's the current log.
[20:07] <resoluti0n> ubottu: ok thx for the info
[20:07] <resoluti0n> :)
[20:09] <bumblefuzz> I'm getting an absolute flood of DNS traffic at startup on ubuntu 18.04
[20:09] <bumblefuzz> it appears that one of the sources is coming from clock-applet
[20:09] <nisankhindia> TheRealJohnGalt: can we have the list of files located in your /var/log/ . so that we can confim
[20:09] <bumblefuzz> and the other is attempting to connect to daisy.ubuntu.com but I can't identify the source
[20:09] <bumblefuzz> can someone help me find these sources and disable them?
[20:10] <bumblefuzz> my computer won't connect to the internet for a solid 5 minutes after startup until this DNS flood has stopped
[20:10] <TheRealJohnGalt> I confirmed, because the log is with pro packages and 18.30 versions. ty though. Unfortunately looks like amdgpu pro doesn't support some of the features I'd hoped.
[20:10] <bumblefuzz> my processor goes full throttle during this time and it's very screwy
[20:11] <jfmcarreira> heyy guys
[20:11] <bencc> how can I ignore an error in a makefile?
[20:11] <jfmcarreira> which ubuntu pkg provides Qt5LinguistToolsConfig.cmake
[20:11] <jfmcarreira> ?
[20:11] <bencc> I have a line "sudo docker network create --driver bridge existing-network" and it through an error
[20:11] <nisankhindia> TheRealJohnGalt: we want to confirm few things , as in my case my GPU logs in different log file other than xorg in this http://nisankhacharjya.me/screenpaste/imagehost/Screenshot_20181016_013157.png
[20:14] <bumblefuzz> can someone help me?
[20:14] <bumblefuzz> there's a flood of DNS traffic when I start my laptop that revs my CPU to 100% and keeps me from connecting to the internet until it's finished
[20:15] <bumblefuzz> I need to find and disable the processes that are doing this
[20:15] <bumblefuzz> can someone help?
[20:16] <ducasse> !patience | bumblefuzz
[20:16] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: show the eviedence collected you ??
[20:17] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: show the evidences collected by you ??
[20:17] <bumblefuzz> it's a tcpdump
[20:17] <bumblefuzz> I didn't collect anything
[20:17] <bumblefuzz> ...or I don't know how top
[20:18] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: provide basic details of your system and distro version
[20:19] <bumblefuzz> lenovo X270 and ubuntu 18.04
[20:20] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: is it happen while using any application or without doing anything on your laptop
[20:23] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: without all information it can not easy to offer any suggestion . it may be because of some application , may be BIOS settings also resolve such High excive CPU usage etc etc
[20:26] <TheRealJohnGalt> nisankhindia: sorry, just formatted the ssd again already. There were too many apps that segfaulted, perhaps from the downgrades necessary for pro. At least the one game I wanted worked on it, but wasn't worth it so I'll just wait for someone on arch to figure out getting pro to work.
[20:27] <nisankhindia> TheRealJohnGalt: as you wish
[20:31] <nisankhindia> someone asked me how to get IRC chat history for #ubuntu channel . I forget his IRC nick so here is the answer .. This channel alsways logged here ( recent ) https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.txt
[20:33] <bumblefuzz> hi, I'm getting a flood of DNS traffic when I start my computer: https://pastebin.com/4SKVNSv4
[20:33] <bumblefuzz> I don't know how to stop it
[20:33] <bumblefuzz> my CPU revs to 100% and I can't connect to the internet while it's happening
[20:33] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help?
[20:35] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: thats not flood of DNS , You have VPN connection of PIA along with Google DNS setiing in your network so every request ACK/SYN making all these records in your traffics
[20:38] <hggdh> bumblefuzz: the traffic you show (DNS resolution, it seems) took all of 2 seconds
[20:38] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: check with System Monitor app which application causes High CPU usage in your system . Your distribution may have SYSTEM MONITOR app
[20:39] <bumblefuzz> that's the thing
[20:39] <bumblefuzz> nothing shows up in system monitor
[20:39] <bumblefuzz> that's why I did everything cli
[20:39] <bumblefuzz> system monitor says my cpu is only doing 4%
[20:39] <hggdh> bumblefuzz: run top or htop on the command line, and see what is eating up CPU
[20:39] <bumblefuzz> hmmm
[20:39] <bumblefuzz> brb
[20:42] <bumblefuzz> so, nm-applet and NetworkManager are eating up all the cpu
[20:42] <bumblefuzz> ...and according to tcpdump, it's all DNS requests
[20:43] <bumblefuzz> any ideas?
[20:44] <noln> isn't dnsmasq supposed to cache the query results?
[20:44] <bumblefuzz> how do I check that?
[20:45] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: You are using Privateinternetaccess VPN right ??
[20:45] <bumblefuzz> no
[20:45] <bumblefuzz> I've specified that as my DNS
[20:45] <bumblefuzz> but that's the only change I've made right now
[20:45] <bumblefuzz> the VPN isn't running
[20:46] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: why you are mixing all those DNS things
[20:46] <bumblefuzz> I'm not
[20:46] <bumblefuzz> I'm only trying to specify one DNS
[20:46] <bumblefuzz> the others come from the dorm I'm staying in
[20:46] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: you have specified PIA DNS , google public DNS etc etc
[20:46] <bumblefuzz> the wireless AP defaults the other DNS addresses
[20:46] <bumblefuzz> nope
[20:46] <bumblefuzz> I only specified PIA
[20:47] <bumblefuzz> the google ones come from my wireless defaults
[20:47] <bumblefuzz> I've tried to get rid of those but they won't go away
[20:47] <bumblefuzz> also, I don't know why it's making so many queries
[20:47] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: after examine the log you provided a can see your DNS queries from you rlaptop to your ISP goes through Google public dns , PIA dns
[20:47] <bumblefuzz> I understand
[20:48] <bumblefuzz> when I connect to my wireless, the AP specifies google public DNS
[20:48] <bumblefuzz> I don't specify that
[20:48] <bumblefuzz> I've tried to block that but can't
[20:48] <bumblefuzz> I've specified PIA
[20:48] <bumblefuzz> but I still don't know where the numerous DNS queries are coming from
[20:48] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: tcp dump has no issues , it working as it is expected ...
[20:48] <bumblefuzz> I didn't say tcpdump had any issues?
[20:49] <bumblefuzz> my cpu goes to 100% with a flood of DNS queries
[20:49] <bumblefuzz> the google DNS queries shouldn't be happening and I can't turn them off
[20:49] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: if you want something to confim than use this sudo systemd-resolve --set-dns=1.1.1.1 --set-dnssec=yes
[20:49] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: the log suggests the local caching resolver isn't operating
[20:50] <bumblefuzz> local cahing resolver?
[20:50] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: what does pastebinit "/etc/resolv.conf" show
[20:50] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: My appolozies command should be sudo systemd-resolve -i <INTERFACE NAME > --set-dns=1.1.1.1 --set-dnssec=yes
[20:50] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: the OS is set up to use a local caching resolver, either dnsmasq or systemd-resolved
[20:50] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nnZ5Y2j6cM/
[20:50] <SnaveZ> You can use 1.0.0.1 as an alternative as well.
[20:50] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: System uses Its stub -resolver
[20:51] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: 127.0.0.53 indicates it is using systemd-resolved
[20:51] <bumblefuzz> so, what do I do exactly?
[20:52] <bumblefuzz> "sudo systemd-resolve -i <INTERFACE NAME > --set-dns=1.1.1.1 --set-dnssec=yes"
[20:52] <bumblefuzz> ?
[20:52] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: first of all where is the issue , You said CPU high uses , DNs flood .. !! than you said system monitor says 4% cpu usage ..what was the issue
[20:52] <bumblefuzz> my system monitor doesn't show the high cpu usage
[20:52] <bumblefuzz> top shows
[20:52] <SnaveZ> typically interface names are eth0 or wlan0
[20:53] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: what top shows paste in ubuntu paste and post here
[20:53] <bumblefuzz> it isn't doing it now
[20:53] <bumblefuzz> only at startup
[20:53] <bumblefuzz> but it's nm-applet
[20:53] <bumblefuzz> and NetworkManager
[20:53] <bumblefuzz> those are the 2 programs shown by top
[20:53] <bumblefuzz> eating all cpu usage
[20:55] <bumblefuzz> should I restart?
[20:55] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: for NetworkManager, check /var/log/syslog or "journalctl -u NetworkManager" to get an idea of what is going on
[20:56] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: 'nmapplet' is NM's GUI taskbar icon/status application
[20:56] <SnaveZ> hmm, I'm wondering if you're having an issue with the icon blinking causing high cpu usage.
[20:56] <bumblefuzz> ahh
[20:56] <SnaveZ> Have you tried another desktop interface to see if it's doing the same thing?
[20:56] <bumblefuzz> that flickers
[20:56] <SnaveZ> Try gnome-classic?
[20:56] <bumblefuzz> no,  I haven't
[20:56] <bumblefuzz> only used mate
[20:56] <SnaveZ> I'm just throwing darts here...I could be totally wrong.
[20:57] <SnaveZ> might be worth a shot?  You don't have anything to lose by attempting another desktop interface to see if the CPU is still spiking.
[20:57] <bumblefuzz> I'm not sure how to try another interface
[20:57] <bumblefuzz> I've used mate for ~3 years now
[20:57] <SnaveZ> You can run a command from terminal, like: sudo apt-get install gnome-classic
[20:57] <bumblefuzz> ...other than a reinstall
[20:57] <SnaveZ> or sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[20:57] <SnaveZ> no need to reinstall :)
[20:58] <SnaveZ> Then log out, click the little gear near your username and it should show the other desktop UI's available (aka the ones you installed)
[20:58] <SnaveZ> If not, reboot and then click the gear and they should show up.
[20:59] <bumblefuzz> Unable to locate package gnome-classic
[20:59] <SnaveZ> try gnome-session-fallback
[20:59] <bumblefuzz>  Package 'gnome-session-fallback' has no installation candidate
[20:59] <SnaveZ> or
[20:59] <SnaveZ> gnome-session-flashback
[20:59] <bumblefuzz> I'm using 18.04
[21:00] <SnaveZ> Could try xfce?
[21:00] <TJ-> I cannot imagine network-manager using lots of CPU due to GUI since it is a system service
[21:00] <bumblefuzz> now that you mentioned it, it does flicker a lot in the toolbar while the cpu is high
[21:00] <TJ-> Instead of blindly trying things, it is best to follow the evidence. That means the logs
[21:00] <SnaveZ> I've heard of that issue on laptops where the icon flickering can cause the applet to spike CPU at idle.
[21:00] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz: i am silent to see things coz neither any log details posted , nor any helpful snap coming up
[21:00] <SnaveZ> sudo apt-get install xfce4
[21:01] <SnaveZ> that's another desktop UI
[21:01] <TJ-> I'd suspect the flickering is a symptom of the high CPU usage, not visa-versa
[21:01] <bumblefuzz> is there a way to post nm-applet logs?
[21:01] <bumblefuzz> or NetworkManager logs?
[21:01] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: "pastebinit <( tail -n 2000 /var/log/syslog )"
[21:01] <bumblefuzz> sorry to be a noob
[21:01] <SnaveZ> um
[21:02] <SnaveZ> I think it's: journalctl -u NetworkManager
[21:02] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gDVGKQSTjx/
[21:02] <TJ-> "Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 43)"
[21:03] <bumblefuzz> oh, this is hamachi
[21:03] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: you've got a ham0 device that is flapping on/off constantly, that is the reason
[21:03] <bumblefuzz> that's hamachi
[21:04] <SnaveZ> bumblefuzz: CPU usage, you're seeing it high in htop?
[21:04] <bumblefuzz> no idea why it's doing that
[21:04] <bumblefuzz> in top
[21:04] <bumblefuzz> yes
[21:04] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: right, disable ham0 to begin with
[21:04] <SnaveZ> htop in terminal?
[21:04] <nisankhindia> TJ- take care of it . you can see the things not just ham0 , but look few more
[21:05] <bumblefuzz> never knew where to look before
[21:05] <bumblefuzz> ok, lemme restart
[21:05] <bumblefuzz> brb
[21:06] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: the cause.. wait!!
[21:06] <nisankhindia> TJ-:  trying to use multicast but the network interface doesn't support it
[21:06] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: the cause is that the hamachi VPN is trying to start repeaedly BEFORE the underlying wifi network is up
[21:07] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so however that hamachi tool/connection is set up, is wrong, it should not activate until the network is online, which means it should wait for the systemd network-online.target to be reached
[21:07] <bumblefuzz_> beautiful startup
[21:07] <bumblefuzz_> now just one more problem
[21:07] <nisankhindia> IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP failed ... there is also cause the device network interface is unsupported for this
[21:07] <bumblefuzz_> the DNS
[21:07] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: and from what I can see, it looks like the Wifi doesn't come up until you log-in
[21:08] <bumblefuzz_> I uninstalled hamachi and it isn't doing it anymore
[21:08] <bumblefuzz_> hamachi was the problem
[21:08] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so however that hamachi tool/connection is set up, is wrong, it should not activate until the network is online, which means it should wait for the systemd network-online.target to be reached
[21:08] <bumblefuzz_> it looks like they haven't upgraded anything for 18.04
[21:08] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: and from what I can see, it looks like the Wifi doesn't come up until you log-in
[21:08] <bumblefuzz_> so, here's the other thing: why is google's DNS coming up when I've only specified PIA's?
[21:09] <TJ-> DNS should be configured via network-manager's Connection Editor, via the nmapplet menu
[21:09] <bumblefuzz_> it already has DNS provided by the dorm wifi I'm on
[21:10] <bumblefuzz_> DHCP is set to automatic
[21:10] <bumblefuzz_> which is where the DNS settings come from
[21:11] <bumblefuzz_> I've specified my own
[21:11] <bumblefuzz_> but they only work half the time
[21:11] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: It depends on HOW you configured the connection. From the syslog it looks like you have NOT set the wifi connection method to "Automatic (Addresses Only)" and set manual DNS entries
[21:11] <bumblefuzz_> hmmm
[21:11] <bumblefuzz_> ok
[21:11] <bumblefuzz_> can you walk me through that?
[21:11] <bumblefuzz_> I don't htink I understand
[21:12] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: beause right now the DNS provided by the DHCP server is being used ( nameserver '8.8.8.8'  nameserver '192.168.160.1')
[21:12] <bumblefuzz_> right
[21:12] <bumblefuzz_> how to I block those
[21:12] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: press the network icon, choose "Edit Connections..."
[21:12] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: choose the wifi network you're using, and edit it
[21:12] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: go to the IPv4 tab
[21:13] <bumblefuzz_> k
[21:13] <TJ-> In the "Method" selection it'll say "Automatic" - change that to "Automatic (Addresses Only)" then in the DNS text box lower down enter the DNS server you want to use
[21:14] <bumblefuzz_> then restart??
[21:14] <nisankhindia> bumblefuzz_: you can test this way .. get your wifi interface name than run commend to change systemd-resolve DNS IP for your system .. instead of the stub resolve 127.0.0.53 and 127.0.0.1 and over ride all other dns settings with this command sudo systemd-resolve -i <YOUR INTERFACE> --set-dns=9.9.9.9 --set-dnssec=yes . than see if there google dns things comes in tcmp dump
[21:14] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: Save, disconnect the network and connect it again and you'll be using your own DNS server choice
[21:14] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: very rarely does Linux need to be rebooted for this kind of thing
[21:15] <bumblefuzz_> and how do I test if it's working?
[21:16] <nisankhindia> set DNS using systemd-resolver and than rum tcpdump as you have done before
[21:16] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: reconnect the wifi network, and use "systemd-resolve --status"
[21:17] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: on the Link for your wifi device you'll see "DNS Servers: a.b.c.d"
[21:18] <bumblefuzz_> and what does this mean? https://pastebin.com/peQpPTwG
[21:18] <TJ-> nisankhindia: I wish systemd-resolve supported "--interface default" for queries like this!
[21:19] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: that's just the first page, press PgDn to see more info, or G to goto end of report
[21:19] <nisankhindia> TJ_: i have passed to mention this interface because he has TUN interface activated
[21:19] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: there's more than 1 page of info so it uses the system pager "less" to display it
[21:19] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: or show us "pastebinit <( systemd-resolve --status )"
[21:20] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: you can Q (quit) the less pager at any time
[21:21] <TJ-> nisankhindia: Tun interface was the ham0 though, wasn't it, which no longer exists?
[21:22] <bumblefuzz_> yes
[21:22] <bumblefuzz_> I uninstalled it
[21:22] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: is DNS correct now?
[21:23] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: a 1-liner to check DNS would be " systemd-resolve --status | grep 'DNS Servers'  "
[21:23] <bumblefuzz_> DNS is good
[21:24] <bumblefuzz_> thank you so much
[21:24] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: seems like you're finally sorted then :)
[21:24] <bumblefuzz_> now if I could figure out how to get PIA to connect
[21:24] <bumblefuzz_> I'm living in a dorm
[21:24] <bumblefuzz_> and it seems they block PIA
[21:24] <bumblefuzz_> ugh
[21:24] <bumblefuzz_> can't figure out a way around it
[21:24] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: that should only require a new VPN connection adding to the network manager connections
[21:27] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: did you use the PIA Linux installer? and then which did you choose, TCP or UDP method?
[21:27] <bumblefuzz_> I think they block all the PIA IP addresses
[21:27] <bumblefuzz_> I've tried both protocols, all ports
[21:28] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: that's not very friendly of them!
[21:28] <bumblefuzz_> it's a little impressive actually
[21:28] <bumblefuzz_> I'm on unencrypted public wifi
[21:28] <bumblefuzz_> and VPNS are banned
[21:28] <bumblefuzz_> lol
[21:29] <bumblefuzz_> this is exactly when you should use a VPN
[21:29] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: get a cellualr modem and SIM
[21:29] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: or rent a cheap virtual private server of your own and use that
[21:30] <bumblefuzz_> I wish I knew enough to set up a VPS to connect to PIA
[21:30] <bumblefuzz_> just connect to that
[21:31] <bumblefuzz_> anyway thanks
[21:35] <TJ-> bumblefuzz_: looking at this list it seems like there are a lot of possibilities; if your provider is blocking all those I'd be kicking up a fuss!  https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/network/
[22:17] <sruli> anyone have the GPD Pocket2? want to set screen rotation on boot, how can I do that?
[22:18] <tomreyn> fbcon=rotate:1
[22:19] <sruli> tomreyn: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="fbcon=rotate:1" ?
[22:19] <tomreyn> sruli: at least that's how it works on hardware v1
[22:20] <sruli> tomreyn: in /etc/default/grub ?
[22:20] <tomreyn> sruli: right
[22:23] <sruli> tomreyn: dosent seem to do it
[22:36] <Slade> Hmm. Wonder if there is a decent little tablet I can install Ubuntu on and is still functional command line
[22:36] <jwash> the problem with PIA is that when you use openvpn and connect to the same location you only get the same IP
[22:37] <sruli> jwash: you use openvpn or their app?
[22:37] <jwash> openvpn
[22:38] <mollox> jwash: but your complaint is therefore aimed at PIA?
[22:38] <jwash> not a complaint
[22:38] <mollox> observation then .. ;)
[22:38] <jwash> just making sure that bumblefuzz_ gets good information too
[22:38] <sruli> jwash: not a easy task.. but you can download the config files for all thier servers and use a script to get openvpn to connect to a random one each time.. i did it in the past with pia (dont use them anymore) might still have the scripts  about somewhere
[22:39] <jwash> i generally rotate the servers, i just put a cmd for each one in the service file, then comment/uncomment
[22:40] <jwash> it would be nice to get more than 1 IP for the site nearest my location though
[22:40] <sruli> jwash: every month i ran dig all all ther servers multiple times and got all the ip's did not use domain names
[22:41] <jwash> really, what is the syntax?
[22:41] <sruli> jwash: to get the ip's?
[22:41] <jwash> yea
[22:41] <jwash> i presume you can connect to an IP right
[22:41] <sruli> whats the name you are trying to connect to?
[22:42] <jwash> seattle
[22:42] <sruli> sure you can connect to ip
[22:42] <sruli> jwash, whats the full url in the config file?
[22:42] <jwash> us-seattle.privateinternetaccess.com
[22:43] <sruli> dig us-seattle.privateinternetaccess.com
[22:43] <sruli> i got 10 ip's for that
[22:43] <jwash> yep
[22:43] <jwash> so I can connect to each one?
[22:43] <jwash> neat
[22:45] <sruli> yes, my iptables is set to only allow the vpn ip so i can only connect using ip
[22:47] <jwash> how many concurrent connections do you run against PIA
[22:47] <sruli> jwash: do you mean how many PC's you can connect at the same time?
[22:47] <jwash> no
[22:48] <jwash> how many do you usually have connected at the same time
[22:48] <sruli> jwash: on 1 pc 1 at time
[22:48] <jwash> ahh
[22:48] <jwash> i've had 6 concurrent but I was wondering what the real max is
[22:49] <sruli> jwash: you connect more? never new thats possible, do you setup different routing for each connection?
[22:49] <jwash> PIA told me to just go ahead and keep connecting
[22:49] <jwash> many different computers
[22:49] <jwash> all doing different things
[22:50] <sruli> jwash: thats what i asked, on different machines there must be a limit,  on their home page its "5 devices simultaneously"
[22:51] <sruli> we are way off topic here...
[22:51] <jwash> yea, I asked them if I could buy more connections
[22:51] <jwash> they told me to just keep connecting/trying new connections
[22:51] <jwash> i've had 6 simultaneous
[22:54] <jwash> so if i put all the dig'd ip's in one config file i could comment/uncomment the one I want to connect to rather than have a conf file for each one
[22:57] <sruli> jwash: i believe pia use 1 set of certs across all their servers, so yes, 1 config file would work. the way i did it was i made a script to randomly select a ip from a list (txt file) and replace the ip in the config file before connecting
[22:58] <jwash> if you could find it I would be very greatful
[23:03] <sruli> jwash: find what?
[23:03] <jwash> the script to select a server
[23:04] <sruli> jwash: another thing to consider is that they change servers from time to time so in addition to updaing the ip's from dig i always ping the ip before connecting with a 2 second timeout, openvpn can wait 60 seconds to timeout
[23:05] <tomreyn> sruli: i have no better suggestions. maybe it's sufficient for now to just rotate X for now? "xrandr -o right"
[23:05] <sruli> tomreyn: i have already set it in the gui, looking for a way to make it at boot, its not too important.. thanks for your help
[23:06] <jwash> set it with an .screenlayout file
[23:06] <jwash> and call it when you startup
[23:06] <jwash> i've done that for a while
[23:06] <sruli> jwash: i am talking at plymouth boot not session start
[23:07] <sruli> jwash: dont have the script, its very simple.  will knock out a quick script in a minute, meanwhilemake a text file with the list of ip's.
[23:07] <jwash> ok
[23:12] <jwash> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GsP9xfMTGC/
[23:13] <sruli> jwash: thats for seattle?
[23:13] <jwash> denver
[23:15] <jwash> denver + seattle
[23:15] <jwash> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RwtdTYZP7n/
[23:15] <sruli> jwash: your config file is in /etc/NetworkManager/connections/, right?
[23:15] <jwash> it's in /etc/openvpn
[23:16] <sruli> jwash: i mean the connection file
[23:17] <jwash> i usually call it with openvpn like: openvpn us-seattle.conf
[23:17] <jwash> but with nohup
[23:18] <sruli> jwash: us-seattle.conf is in /etc/openvpn?
[23:18] <jwash> yes
[23:19] <sruli> can you paste one to paste.ubuntu.com (remove user/pass etc)
[23:21] <jwash> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dDHWY7RcwP/
[23:26] <ktonga> hello everyone, is this the right place to ask for a lil' help?
[23:27] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Ubuntu related ? then Yes :)
[23:27] <ktonga> sure :)
[23:27] <sruli> Bashing-om: na i need some travel money to get home ;-)
[23:28] <Bashing-om> sruli: Well, some people also want ice water . Not much I can do in either case .
[23:28] <ktonga> so I have a dell xps, i was running 17.10 with lvm full disk encryption, i think i got it like that using one of the options in the installer
[23:29] <ktonga> yesterday i tried to upgrade to 18.04 and boom! it wont boot anymore
[23:29] <sruli> ktonga: whats the error? what do you see when it starts booting?
[23:30] <ktonga> if read half of the internet and followed all kind of instructions from peeps with similar symptoms
[23:30] <ktonga> i have nogui for entering decrypt key
[23:31] <sruli> ktonga: did you try the left arrow to see it you get a text screen?
[23:31] <ktonga> right after i enter it it seems to work and i see a successful message
[23:31] <ktonga> but after that nothing happens
[23:32] <ktonga> before there use to start appearing all the messages with the beautiful green OK's
[23:32] <ktonga> some people said it was b/c nvidia
[23:32] <ktonga> i purged it and nothing
[23:33] <ktonga> also i blacklisted nouveau just in case, and the same
[23:34] <sruli> ktonga: had the same issue on 1 of my pcs yesterday, seems to hang when starting gnome session, try booting with previous kernel (at boot hit esc to get grub menu > select advanced > choose previous second kernel (not recovery))
[23:35] <ktonga> btw i use kde
[23:35] <ktonga> but this does not seem like a wm issues
[23:35] <sruli> ktonga: did you try previous kernel?
[23:36] <ktonga> yes
[23:36] <ktonga> also now i'm on 18.10
[23:36] <sruli> ktonga: whats the current kernel version and what is the previous?
[23:36] <ktonga> was my last try
[23:36] <ktonga> see if it was fixed
[23:37] <ktonga> i think i have 4.13 from 17.10, 4.15 from 18.04 and 4.18 from 18.10
[23:37] <ktonga> tried them all, same thing
[23:38] <ktonga> with recovery i was able to get a little bit further but not much
[23:38] <sruli> ktonga: did you try mounting the encrypted drive in live usb to see if its mountable?
[23:38] <ktonga> also at some point after many many random changes i saw issues for starting docker
[23:38] <cim209> current is 4.18.14
[23:38] <ktonga> i can mount it
[23:39] <ktonga> in recovery and i was able to browse files, change stuff with apt, edit files
[23:39] <sruli> is backing up yuor data and reinstall a option for you?
[23:40] <ktonga> that last one, yes, but this is my work laptop and i was trying to avoid that, ALOT of post setup
[23:40] <tokam> hello
[23:40] <tokam> what is again the name of that awesome tool, that allows me to run tasks via shell in the backgronud
[23:40] <tokam> think it started with a d
[23:41] <ktonga> i always missed an easy rollback option in apt, but that's just not something it's capable of
[23:41] <tokam> screen
[23:42] <sruli> jwash: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SCv4WFh6s2/ update the vars with your config details
[23:43] <sruli> ktonga: you tried to reinstall kernel in chroot?
[23:43] <ktonga> i did the same upgrade 17.10 -> 18.04 -> 18.10 on my personal laptop which is also a dell xps, but a bit older and it worked like a charm
[23:44] <ktonga> that's was gave me the confidence to try on my work laptop :D
[23:45] <ktonga> the only difference i can tell is work one has the disk encryption thing
[23:45] <ktonga> sruli: didn't try that
[23:46] <ktonga> now after removing nvidia i can't get into a console any more, and recovery does not enable networking so i cant do apt stuff
[23:47] <cim209> ktonga, add the nomodeset parameter in boot
[23:47] <sruli> ktonga: boot with live usb, chroot and install....
[23:51] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | ktonga
[23:51] <urgodfather> Bashing-om am i able to use that to find info for myself?
[23:52] <ktonga> will have a look
[23:53] <Bashing-om> !ubottu
[23:54] <Bashing-om> urgodfather: ^^ .
[23:54] <sruli> jwash: you tried it?
[23:55] <ktonga> recovery mode uses this parameter and when i select resume i end up in a black screen :(