[00:01] <faekjarz> Hi! I'm still running the old LTS 16.04 (Gnome) and the latest update to Thunderbird (+locale +lightning) introduced an incompatibility with Lightning. Is this a known issue?
[00:25] <Tsynk> I have no idea, I am running 18.04 LTS at the moment. Bionic Beaver.
[00:30] <tomreyn> faekjarz: install the xul-ext-lightning package
[00:31] <faekjarz> xul-ext-lightning got updated along with thunderbird
[00:35] <qomiter> ubuntu is a great OS
[00:39] <segwent> qomiter: +1
[00:47] <qomiter> Segment 1up
[01:03] <gbear14275> I think that the chrome ssh plugin is faster than the terminal applicatoin
[01:11] <ktonga> sruli: now i cannot start from usb, that's weird, i was able without issues a few months back when i installed it
[01:12] <ktonga> i removed `quiet splash` to see what's going on, do you understand this messages? https://imgur.com/a/mggjKdi
[01:13] <ktonga> and it goes and goes
[01:14] <ktonga> it's similar to what happened at some point with my installed ubuntu, it showed similar errors about Docker
[01:15] <ktonga> tried 17.10 which i already had in the pendrive and also 18.04 which i've just downloaded
[01:15] <sruli> i dont know, maybe someone else can help you
[01:16] <ktonga> sure, np
[01:24] <segwent> ktonga: a bad photo of your screen ... i even got a magnifying glass
[01:24] <ktonga> ok, it was the modeset thing
[01:24] <ktonga> yea :D sorry about that
[01:25] <ktonga> it was moving so the focus went bananas
[01:26] <segwent> yeah .. bananas dot com slash support slask cup
[01:28] <ktonga> now time to figure out how i chroot to an encryted lvm :) brb
[01:29] <segwent> password=[assword ;)
[01:30] <mkaufman> this is why I love something like salt
[01:31] <apawl> Can somebody help me understand the output of `free`? I have 0GB listed as "free", but 27GB listed as available. (Also 27GB available as "buff/cache"). I'm not used to seeing those buff/cache and available fields.
[01:31] <apawl> I'm assuming that this newer version of free uses "Available" in the way older versions used "Free" -- is that accurate?
[01:32] <apawl> This is the output I'm talking about: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tXWtDscjWn/
[01:34] <segwent> apawl: see -h (human readable) option of free (free --help)
[01:36] <segwent> apawl: see -h (human readable) option of free (free --help)
[01:37] <apawl_> Interesting. `free -h` does show some memory under "free" column. (I guess because it's <1GB). But most of it is under the "Available" column
[01:39] <segwent> 'free' != 'available'
[01:39] <apawl_> Yeah that's what's throwing me off.
[01:39] <segwent> try top with a few over chardes vbox's
[01:39] <segwent> charged*
[01:40] <segwent> i can get top to give me 1000% of cpu
[01:41] <segwent> 1,000 to be sure ..
[01:44] <k_sze[work]> When using the IBus input method system, is there a way to assign keyboard shortcuts to jump to particular input methods? I don't like cycling through the list of input methods using the Super+Spacebar combo.
[01:44] <k_sze[work]> s/particular/specific/
[01:50] <qwebirc8990> is it possible to install ubuntu on different drive USING ubuntu? I'm using 14.04 now and want to install the downloaded .iso on to the 2nd drive but don't have stick or CD to proper boot/install as usual
[01:53] <tomvolek> HI, Just upgraded from 16 to 18.4 and now on reboot, my screen is completly  blank. Cant right mouse click, etc. Anybody knows a work around for this ?
[01:53] <icarious> hi. how to install the nvidia binary driver in Ubuntu?
[01:54] <Bashing-om> icarious: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' is the terminal way .
[01:55] <icarious> Bashing-om: Thanks
[01:55] <gbear14275> has anyone got conjure-up kubernetes to work?  I've tried 3 times and it keeps stalling
[01:58] <dsynapse> greetings
[01:58] <segwent> seasonally
[01:59]  * segwent adds salt
[02:10] <vmeson> Thunderbird update breaks Lightning and this doesn't help: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/calendar-updates-issues-thunderbird
[02:12] <vmeson> ah, yes it does, the Config Editor was hiding under the General tab that didn't look like a tab.
[02:18] <JFox762> Hi, I need help getting Hibernate to work again...
[02:18] <JFox762> It worked when I set it up a while back, but lately it hasn't been working at all
[02:19] <nshire> should I make my ubuntu installer drive mbr or gpt
[02:26] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> is it me or is the official mirrors are having problems
[02:28] <Bashing-om> nshire: If your bios supports AHCI, I would go with GPT partitioning ,
[02:32] <hggdh> ssfdre38_ubuntu: probably they are being updated
[02:33] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> its been several days
[02:34] <hggdh> ssfdre38_ubuntu: then it is you...
[02:34] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> fresh install
[02:35] <hggdh> give us a pastebin showing an apt update
[02:35] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> https://pastebin.com/qp8XwWrK
[02:35] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> that is the last bit that is failing
[02:36] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> https://pastebin.com/hG76GFRQ
[02:36] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> that is everything when i do a apt update --fix-missing
[02:37] <hggdh> ssfdre38_ubuntu: and you *are* running Bionic, right? (yes, this is weird)
[02:37] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> yea 18.04 lts
[02:38] <hggdh> intersting
[02:38] <hggdh> ssfdre38_ubuntu: change your repositories to the main repo, and try again
[02:38] <Bashing-om> ssfdre38_ubuntu: "(invalid for another 9h 45min 55s)." check your system time .
[02:38] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> i did
[02:39] <hggdh> also... is your system's clock synchronised?
[02:39] <hggdh> this might happen if your system's clock is running behind
[02:40] <Bashing-om> ssfdre38_ubuntu: And ?? dual booting Windows, and Windows controls the hardware clock as local time ?
[02:40] <hggdh> ^ heh
[02:41] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> yea system clock is the same as local time
[02:41] <hggdh> ssfdre38_ubuntu: give us the output of 'date'
[02:41] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> just changed it to correct time and its now working
[02:41] <hggdh> and... sys clock == local time => Windows
[02:42] <ssfdre38_ubuntu> windows has the correct time and it pushes it to the uefi
[02:42] <hggdh> ssfdre38_ubuntu: here how it goes: Linux expects the hardware clock to be running UTC
[02:44] <hggdh> Windows, on the other hand, (in my view, idiotically) considers the system time-sync-ed with the hardware clock running local time
[02:44] <hggdh> so... clash
[02:45] <ktonga> after booting live usb and doing all the chroot with lvm and luks i installed a few things like nvidia driver, also updated a few packages. Now it got worse, it says it cannot find the volume group and drops me in an initramfs shell :(
[02:46] <ktonga> might it be related to using a different name when open de partition with cryptsetup?
[02:46] <ktonga> or i missed to bind an importan dir when i did the chroot?
[02:46] <Damnit__> does anyone have a good link for using man pages?
[02:47] <ktonga> can i fix it? anyone knows?
[02:47] <hggdh> Damnit__: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[02:48] <Damnit__> something i can understand
[02:49] <hggdh> Damnit__: on, how to use the command itself? man man, or info man
[02:49] <hggdh> or even man -h for a summary
[02:54] <Damnit__> Because I have a final exam coming up and learning on the commands is not going to happen. There has got to be a trick. I am giving myself panic attacks  myself to
[02:54] <Damnit__> delete myself to*
[02:55] <Geo> Hi, each night around this time, kswapd0 strts hogging all the cycles on my box (load time 100+). The box is unresponsive over ssh during this period, so it's hard to troubleshoot during the process (and after, because, well, its done)
[02:55] <Geo> Any idea what to look for?
[02:55] <Geo> No cron jobs firing
[02:56] <hggdh> Damnit__: I am not aware of any trick. There are probably Linux for dummies books and pages around, please try searching for them
[02:57] <Damnit__> calling me a dummy?
[02:57] <hggdh> Damnit__: no, I am not. Usually the "... for dummies" series is geared for those trying to learn something.
[02:58] <hggdh> Damnit__: which is, it seems, your case.
[03:00] <hggdh> Geo: if kswapd is using all CPU, then probably you are over-using your memory (and kswapd is trying to make your system cope with it)
[03:00] <hggdh> Geo: in other words, paging like crazy
[03:01] <Geo> Yep, I got that far, is there anyway to, from logs, see what was paging it?
[03:01] <Geo> *causing the paging
[03:01] <Geo> There wasn't anything in syslog that seemed like it was related
[03:01] <Geo> I think this started right around my upgrade to 18.04
[03:02] <hggdh> Geo: try following https://serverfault.com/questions/316560/how-do-i-tell-what-process-is-causing-kswapd-to-be-in-use/316636
[03:02] <Geo> But I can't say that definitively... but that is ceratinly the largest change that was made aroudn the same time
[03:03] <Geo> I have top running now, during the slow time
[03:03] <Geo> (updates once every 90 seconds or so...)
[03:03] <Geo> just look at the highest memory usage process?
[03:04] <hggdh> yes, follow the highest memory processes
[03:04] <hggdh> note the plural form
[03:04] <hggdh> also, look at swap usage
[03:04] <Geo> haha
[03:04] <Geo> well this is interesting
[03:05] <Geo> 0 available
[03:05] <hggdh> all swap used?
[03:05] <Geo> now how did that happen
[03:05] <Geo> no
[03:05] <Geo> 0 total!
[03:05] <Geo> KiB Swap:        0 total,        0 free,        0 used.
[03:05] <hggdh> the mistery of the vanishing memory, methinks
[03:05] <Geo> heh
[03:05] <Geo> how on earth does that happen
[03:06] <hggdh> a very good question. One that, unfotunately, pretty much only you can answer :-)
[03:06] <Geo> yeah, no kidding
[03:06] <Geo> and rather than troubleshoot, is it faster to just add some more and move on with my life
[03:06] <Geo> this is already night 3 of troubleshooting
[03:07] <hggdh> yeah
[03:07] <Geo> As I get older, 'moving on with life' just seems so much more attractive
[03:08] <Geo> Now I just have to wait for this to calm down and start responding, and we'll be good to go. Thanks for bouncing ideas with me
[03:08] <Geo> fallocate is still the right way to create swapspace, right?
[03:09] <hggdh> or mkswap
[03:09] <Damnit__> if the questioned are multiple choice couldn't I use the process of elimination using man pages?
[03:09] <Damnit__> questions
[03:14] <Geo> hrm
[03:14] <Geo> totally unrelated- can i use a cert file with sudo, somehow?
[03:15] <Geo> I finally managed to change my password to something I can't remember, but have my certs for the ssh account
[03:17] <Damnit__> Are dell laptop batteries known to be shit?
[03:18] <fishcooker> logrotate: just set new config from compres to uncompress... will the next cron job will be deleting the old compressed one automatically?
[03:24] <nshire> Damnit__, how old?
[03:25] <nshire> coincidently my dell laptop battery isn't being recognized, its completely dead i think
[03:26] <roler> do you guys install the ReleaseCandidate? Or wait for the final ? I installed RC last time and it was fine :)
[03:26] <Damnit__> inspersion 17 not that old
[03:30] <Bashing-om> roler: If you can deal with breakage, and want the latest .. then the RC release is the thing to do . Report all issues, however . RC is "testing" and not for the faint at heart .
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:45] <Damnit__> the Dell i am trying to use wont tuen on either
[03:46] <roler> or wait 3 days.... decisions decisions :)
[03:50] <Damnit__> anyone here in Cyber security?
[03:55] <fishcooker> logrotate: just set new config from compres to uncompress... will the next cron job will be deleting the old compressed one automatically?
[04:02] <JFox762> Hi, I need help getting Hibernate to work again...
[04:02] <JFox762> It worked when I set it up a while back, but lately it hasn't been working at all
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: you have a bug existing?
[04:40] <JFox762> I'm having trouble getting Hibernate to work right
[04:40] <JFox762> when I first implemented it, ...
[04:40] <JFox762> it worked fine. But lately, when the Pc starts up... it loses the state I left it in
[04:41] <JFox762> Hibernate is using my Swap partition
[04:41] <JFox762> which i added recently
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: do you have a bug existing yet on launchpad
[04:41] <JFox762> launchpad?
[04:42] <JFox762> what is launchpad?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> !bug | JFox762 start here
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: after you created it, feel free to share the bugs link in the channel and volunteers will take a look to help you
[04:44] <JFox762> im wondering if i configured it wrong
[04:47] <ktonga> after a little bit more of research the problem seems to be sddm not starting, there is a bug report with a few workarounds but none worked for me
[04:48] <ktonga> i tried lightdm as well and it also fails and jumps into a terminal so quickly i can't see the error message
[04:50] <Bashing-om> ktonga: A wild thought - broken graphic's driver ? what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[04:53] <ktonga> display UNCLAIMED for nvidia card. and just display for the Intel one
[04:53] <ktonga> i have nvidia-prime configured for nvidia
[04:53] <ktonga> tried intel and nothing
[04:54] <ktonga> also tried uninstalling and using nouveau and the same
[04:55] <Geo> P/close
[04:56] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Broken graphic's driver . what release is this ? as we want to remove nvidia's config file .. and I ma not sure where it is in 18.04/ We may have to hunt - before re-installing the proprietary driver .
[04:58] <ktonga> it's 18.10
[04:58] <ktonga> but it also happened with 18.04
[04:58] <JFox762> hmmm
[04:58] <ktonga> and i just upgraded coz it couldn't be more broken :D
[05:00] <ktonga> i have another pretty similar laptop and it is woking there (here)
[05:01] <ktonga> same driver version nvida 390
[05:02] <Bashing-om> ktonga: broken in 18.04 is broken in 18.10 - no makig pill . what shows ' sudo find / -name Xorg.conf ' . see what we can do .
[05:02] <ktonga> also i tried live usb and adding nouveau.modeset=0 it starts and im able to start kubuntu
[05:02] <Bashing-om> magic*
[05:03] <ktonga> hmm that will take a while i guess
[05:04] <ktonga> no matches
[05:04] <ktonga> so all defaults i guess
[05:06] <Bashing-om> ktonga: We looking at ' ls -al /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ' ? And I also do not know what may have changed in the Nvidia driver config in 18.04/18.10. Do the best we can :)
[05:07] <ktonga> much appreciated, i'm going nuts with this
[05:08] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Well, we know the driver is broke . getting it installed in one step forward.
[05:08] <ktonga> i've got an nvidia prime there
[05:10] <ktonga> will find a way to pute the output in a gist
[05:10] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Optimis and that Xorg.conf is required ti swirch graphics sets, It has to be someplace . /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
[05:12] <Bashing-om> ktonga: I am some kind of tired - not doing too well of watching what I am doing or thinking .
[05:12] <ktonga> X11 nvidia https://imgur.com/gallery/62McFC7
[05:16] <ktonga> https://gist.github.com/ktonga/1f52f9acc2a99e7f1a267079af888563 if the picture is too bad
[05:19] <ktonga> oh maybe thats a problem, it says it's generated by gpu-manager, but gpu-manager is the other one service maked as failed by systemctl
[05:22] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Good thoight to look at the log file ! ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' .
[05:22] <Bashing-om> thought*
[05:24] <ktonga> https://gist.github.com/ktonga/678b99bcc90f5e90450eed19cf0eba53
[05:24] <ktonga> it says nvidia is blacklisted
[05:24] <ktonga> but i cannot find how
[05:25] <ktonga> nothing in /etc/modprobe.d/
[05:26] <Bashing-om> ktonga: still reading, but confirmation that the system is unhappy " Is nvidia loaded? no " .
[05:28] <Bashing-om> ktonga: And both drivers blacklisted : " Is nouveau blacklisted? yes " .
[05:28] <ktonga> yeah saw it
[05:28] <ktonga> it was, one of my random changes, but i reverted that
[05:28] <ktonga> no it should not
[05:29] <ktonga> i dunno how it is determining which is blacklisted
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: you cant config hibernate much, its just enable or disable but alot of acpi bugs exist out there
[05:33] <Bashing-om> ktonga: ' ls -al /etc/modprobe.d/ ' See what we can find there for the nvidia blacklisting .
[05:33] <JFox762> one second lotus
[05:35] <ktonga> Bashing-om: nothing https://gist.github.com/ktonga/678b99bcc90f5e90450eed19cf0eba53
[05:35] <Bashing-om> ktonga: I have 18.10 installed running the 390 driver . I could drop out here and boot that 18.10 install up so we have something in common to compare .
[05:36] <ktonga> that sounds like a plan, thanks a lot for all the help
[05:36] <Bashing-om> ktonga: see tht is in that blacklist.conf file .
[05:37] <Bashing-om> ktonga: meanwhile I am going to reboot .
[05:38] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/Ng4NgQvr
[05:38] <JFox762> lotuspsychje: that is what I had to do to fix this
[05:39] <ktonga> Bashing-om: https://gist.github.com/ktonga/3883dd0ff249dfba0ab7d4cd4d2f60b8
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> ktonga: bashing-om has left the building
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> ktonga: feel free to re-ask your original question to the channel with all details, steps tryed
[05:40] <JFox762> basically the "logs" i wrote down... for the process of enabling hibernate
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: so it works now?
[05:40] <JFox762> it did for a while
[05:40] <JFox762> but stopped working
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: create a bug for it
[05:40] <JFox762> how do i know if my swap partition... isn't "purging"
[05:44] <Bashing-om> ktonga: OK, back in 18.10. Lemme look at what I have ,
[05:47] <ktonga> Bashing-om: cool, whole dir tar'ed
[05:47] <ktonga> https://transfer.sh/INd6H/modprobe.d.tar.gz
[05:48] <Bashing-om> ktonga: In a minimal install here, no way to deal with a tar file .
[05:49] <ktonga> tell me what you prefer
[05:49] <ktonga> https://gist.github.com/ktonga/3883dd0ff249dfba0ab7d4cd4d2f60b8
[05:49] <ktonga> thats the content of blacklist.conf
[05:49] <dlam> dammit, i tried distupgrade 16.04 -> 18.04 and it failed:   any tips on how to recover?   i got no more network/internet on my laptop!
[05:50] <ktonga> dlam: welcome to the club!
[05:50] <dlam> ktonga:  same thing happened to you???!?
[05:50] <ktonga> in my case we just kinda norrowed it down to a video driver issue
[05:51] <ktonga> which is weird coz live usb worked and i have another similar laptop where it is working too
[05:52] <dlam> i cant even restart/shutdown, i get in /var/log/syslog:    gnome-session-binary:  WARNING: Shutdown failed .... Interactive authentication required
[05:52] <dlam> oh oh, ok for me, in /var/log/distlog it had some package dependency problem with 'kubuntu-desktop' or something
[05:55] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Not finding where nvidia is blacklisted ..lemme see what I can find .
[05:56] <ktonga> i looked  and could not find it either
[05:56] <ktonga> nor nouveau
[05:57] <ktonga> there is something in bl-frambuffer.cong
[05:57] <ktonga> but its nvidiafb
[06:03] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Maybe old info .. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-nouveau-nvidia-driver-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux . As nouveau on my system is NOT disabled here .
[06:05] <dlam> ktonga:  k i did 'sudo reboot -h now' seems to work  :D
[06:05] <ktonga> Bashing-om:  nor in my other dell laptop, also i ve tried that aleady
[06:06] <ktonga> and live usb works with built-in nouveau, everything is so weird. I've tried so many things
[06:06] <ktonga> glad to know dlam@ !
[06:13] <dlam> wth is baloo_file,  on 18.04 it is constantly at 100% CPU
[06:14] <Bashing-om> ktonga: Nvidia has recently repackaged - is now a process of learning where/what things are now :(
[06:16] <ktonga> Bashing-om: I'll be AFK for a while, if you find something else and you wanna put it here ill take a look later. thanks again for all you help!
[06:19] <Bashing-om> ktonga: We need to find where the nvidia driver is blacklisted .. I am too tired to carry on , we can pick this back up in my AM - then install the nvidia driver properly from our repo .
[06:53] <tombee> Hi all, does anyone have any experience with doing a mini iso install using a preseed file? I've been using the boot options `auto file=/cdrom/preseed.cfg`, but it doesn't appear that the file gets loaded.  I remastered the mini.iso with the preseed.cfg at the root.
[07:00] <mnkybrdr> Hi all.  Does anyone know what could be causes our docker images on ubuntu to hang and become zombies?
[07:00] <mnkybrdr> We have moved half our systems to Centos and it doesnt happen on these instances
[07:03] <tombee> mnkybrdr: are you using different storagedrivers between the two?
[07:03] <mnkybrdr> tombee: let me just check
[07:05] <mnkybrdr> tombee: no both are using overlay2
[07:06] <tombee> do both have the same ulimits set?
[07:06] <mnkybrdr> the backing storage is different, xfs on centos and exfs on ubuntu
[07:07] <mnkybrdr> the ulimits are the same, in fact centos has lower for some values
[07:08] <mnkybrdr> We have looked for the cause of this for nearly a year.  We use ubuntu for all our servers and vms, but this issue is a real pain.
[07:09] <tomvolek> I am trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 off of a USB, at the screen which asks for your name and comouter name to create account, the keyboard goes dead, can not input any charcters, only mouse works .. anybody seen this ?
[07:10] <mooses> is this a laptop, tomvolek ?
[07:10] <tomvolek> no sir,a desktop which I was running Ubuntu 16,
[07:10] <mooses> tomvolek: Weird.  Do you have a backup keyboard you can plug in and test?
[07:10] <tomvolek> i tried to upgrade, and i started getting a black screen, then tried to boot from a usb stick and now this
[07:11] <mnkybrdr> I have seen this when installing a DELL server but installing a second USB keyboard worked
[07:11] <tomvolek> mooses, yes I tried , no luck
[07:11] <mooses> tomvolek: Did you checksum the install media?
[07:11] <tomvolek> i give it another try for  a third keyboard
[07:11] <mooses> I'm betting bad install media or hardware failure
[07:11] <mnkybrdr> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2390291
[07:11] <mnkybrdr> Seems to match mooses case
[07:12] <tomvolek> mooses: I wil do, but ubuntu is becoming more error prone .. i rarely see any of these sort of issues with Centos
[07:12] <tomvolek> mooses:  thanks, will double check
[07:12] <mooses> tomvolek: check out what mnkybrdr just linked, that seems to match your issue
[07:12] <tomvolek> looking
[07:14] <tomvolek> the last comment says, use 'nomodest' .  how do i use this with booting from USB ? :)
[07:14] <mooses> tomvolek: Read the thread.  It's linked there.
[07:14] <mooses> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230389&p=13370808#post13370808
[07:15] <tomvolek> opps see it , thanks
[07:15] <mooses> hehehee no problem :3
[07:15] <mooses> best of luck!
[08:15] <Paddy_NI> I am starting to slowly loose my mind with a GTX 1050 TI.  When using this card with the Nouveu driver it guesses the resolution correctly, when using it with the NVidia 360 driver it operates in a tremendously low resolution
[08:15] <EriC^^> Paddy_NI: did you try manually changing it?
[08:15] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: Yes with xrandr.  It spits out errors
[08:16] <EriC^^> what exactly
[08:17] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: I'll pastebin this, sorry for the slowness as I am trying to navigate a super low resolution.
[08:17] <EriC^^> no problem
[08:17] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NsGFs45RxJ/
[08:18] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: I read on the nvidia forums yesterday that apparently they block mode setting with the proprietary driver if there is a problem with the edid
[08:19] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: For the life of me I cannot find that post again
[08:25] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: Any ideas?
[08:28] <EriC^^> Paddy_NI: is there an nvidia-settings binary in the system?
[08:28] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: Yes
[08:28] <vlt> Hello. When `file some.csv` tells me "ISO-8859 text" or "Non-ISO extended-ASCII text", how does it determine that?
[08:28] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: The mode is not available
[08:28] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: Or rather it only contains a list of low resolutions
[08:29] <EriC^^> this guy seems to have the same problem, he modified the xorg.conf with new resolution to get it working https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2324211
[08:29] <EriC^^> Paddy_NI: ^
[08:32] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: Oh that seems promising. ALthough he does not mention how he generated the Xorg.conf
[08:32] <Paddy_NI> :-(
[08:32] <EriC^^> Paddy_NI: he says he used nvidia-settings to create it
[08:32] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: Yeah but does not detail how
[08:33] <EriC^^> maybe when you save the settings it creates it? try to see if it exists in /etc
[08:33] <EriC^^> Paddy_NI: he says he launched nvidia-settings using sudo
[08:33] <EriC^^> what does "ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf" give back?
[08:35] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: "nvidia-settings" just launches the nvidia settings dialogue.  I think I have found something .. Just a sec :-)
[08:41] <EriC^^> ok :)
[08:43] <Paddy_NI> Hey EriC^^ I'm just going to reboot, fingers crossed. Oh by the way I created the xorg.conf manually using vim on this computers desktop.  I intend on moving it to "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" before I reboot.  Do I need to do anything with the permissions?
[08:44] <EriC^^> Paddy_NI: i think just make sure it's owned by root and 775
[08:44] <EriC^^> (775 permissions)
[08:44] <Paddy_NI> EriC^^: sudo chown 775 ~/Desktop/xorg.conf
[08:44] <Paddy_NI> Like that
[08:44] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[08:44] <EriC^^> yeah :)
[08:44] <Paddy_NI> Sorry for being a pain :-)
[08:45] <EriC^^> no pain at all :)
[08:46] <Paddy_NI> Okay so.. brb.. hopefully lol
[08:47] <EriC^^> :D
[09:07] <Paddy_NI> Hmm... still no joy
[09:12] <Paddy_NI> Would anyone have any idea how to get an NVidia GTX 1050 TI to output 1920x1080@60hz. presently I am only getting really low resolutions.  xrandr addmode fails with erros (supposedly nvidia block this now).  I have also tried creating a custom xorg.conf which leaves me with no display server until I delete the file and thus the circle begins again...
[09:14] <Ben64> Paddy_NI: use nvidia-settings
[09:15] <Paddy_NI> Ben64: I have used it
[09:15] <Paddy_NI> Using for what exactly is the part that needs clearing up
[09:15] <Ben64> well it works
[09:15] <Paddy_NI> To do what exactly?
[09:15] <Ben64> set resolution, or a bunch of other stuff
[09:16] <Paddy_NI> Ben64: Yeah it does not have the resolution I need. 1920x1080
[09:16] <Ben64> are you plugging it in to a potato
[09:17] <Paddy_NI> Ben64: I have not got the time nor the patience for trolls mucker
[09:17] <Ben64> i don't have patience to play 20 questions to figure out what your setup is like
[09:18] <Paddy_NI> Ben64: As I have already stated. gtx 1050 ti. trying to get a resolution of 1920x1080
[09:26] <blackflow> Paddy_NI: did you say nvida 360 driver? 360?
[09:26] <blackflow> *nvidia
[09:27] <Paddy_NI> blackflow: Yeah I think it is, how would I confirm this?
[09:27] <tombee> Is there a way to check if a preseed file has been loaded correctly during an Ubuntu install (using debian installer/minimal iso), I can see the installer/boot params are there in the syslog.. but I don't see anything about it getting loaded or any errors.
[09:27] <blackflow> Paddy_NI: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[09:28] <Paddy_NI> blackflow: It seems that it's actually the 390 driver
[09:28] <Paddy_NI> My mistake
[09:29] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[09:30] <blackflow> Paddy_NI: I was using 396 from the graphics-drivers PPA because 390+Bionic was a very buggy and crashy situation. Perhaps try the newer driver?
[09:31] <Paddy_NI> blackflow: I will give that a go, thank you for the tip :-)
[09:31] <Paddy_NI> blackflow: About removing the previous driver, what would be the best practice?  Or will it be okay to just install the other from the ppa without removing the previous?
[09:32] <blackflow> Paddy_NI: iirc, installing 396 will remove 390
[09:32] <Paddy_NI> Cool :_)
[09:32] <blackflow> at any rate there can't be two drivers at the same time, they install same files.
[09:36] <Paddy_NI> blackflow: Good to know, when I initially installed the 390 driver using the additional drivers dialogue and it gave me those poor results I went back to the nouveu driver.  However it was not the same as before and had even less and lower resolution options
[09:36] <Paddy_NI> Even after deleting xorg.conf
[09:52] <eeos> hi everybody! How do you install appimage packaged applications system wide?
[09:57] <reqy> How do I run 'timeout 60 burnp6' on all cores? Is there a way to run this command on all cores?
[09:59] <Ben64> run it in a for loop with i from 1-n cores
[10:04] <rory> if I have a binary "/usr/local/bin/foo" and it works on the shell with "foo", but the same command doesn't work in a script unless I specify the full path, where should I start looking?
[10:04] <gbear14275> is there a key conflict between F10 while in htop?  Can someone else try and see if it triggers the file menu (expected behavior: quit)
[10:04] <rory> if I put "echo $PATH" at the top of the script I do see /usr/local/bin in there
[10:06] <gpunk> gbear14275: yes, i use "q" to quit
[10:06] <Ben64> rory: always a good idea to use full paths in scripts
[10:10] <blackflow> gbear14275: yes, disable the shortcut in your terminal. F1 too (for help)
[10:13] <miguel2013> isn't  ubuntu 16.04 lts suported until 2020
[10:13] <gbear14275> blackflow, I looked but under the terminal preferences F10 isn't mapped to anything
[10:14] <miguel2013> why noi one wants to help me qand asking me to upgrade
[10:14] <blackflow> gbear14275: which terminal is that? gnome terminal has F10 and F1 shortcuts iirc
[10:14] <blackflow> miguel2013: what?
[10:14] <reqy> Ben64: In each iteration, I still need to pass a core number right?
[10:15] <gbear14275> blackflow, default installed (assuming gnome)
[10:15] <rory> yeah Ben64 but why would it be any different anyway? PATH is set fine
[10:16] <Ben64> rory: it must not be
[10:16] <miguel2013> blackflow: can u help me transfer files using the infrared on 16.04 lts
[10:16] <Ben64> reqy: no
[10:16] <miguel2013> I can't find clear instructions for my hp 95lx to do that
[10:16] <blackflow> miguel2013: I know nothing about setting up infrared, sorry...
[10:16] <rory> It is, if I do "echo $PATH" i see it the same as the shell.
[10:17] <Ben64> rory: whats the error
[10:20] <gbear14275> blackflow, looks like it's not a terminal binding but a default gnome binding so I have to disable it within gnome (F1 can be disabled in terminal though)
[10:21] <blackflow> gbear14275: oh yes, I think you're right. there's that gnome tweak tool where you can set that up iirc
[10:26] <miguel2013> can someone help me transfer files using ubuntu 16.04 lts with my paltop hp 95lx
[10:27] <miguel2013> using infrared
[10:30] <geirha> is paltop a term I've never heard, or is it just a typo of laptop?
[10:30] <miguel2013> palmtop
[10:30] <miguel2013> is like a laptop mini
[10:30] <geirha> ah
[10:30] <miguel2013> it's from early 90s
[10:32] <miguel2013> I have a bar graph done in lotus123 and I wanna copy it to my ubuntu laptop. the palmtop could use a ram card but I don't have the card only infrared as network or serial but I don't have its cable
[10:33] <gbear14275> blackflow, nevermind I was blind (although it's slightly unintuitive)  the disable F10 option is in the general tab (not the shortcuts tab) under preferences for terminal and it's titled "Enable the menu accelerator key (F10 by default)"
[10:33] <eeos> hi everybody! How do you install appimage packaged applications system wide?
[10:33] <blackflow> gbear14275: so I wasn't kraysee! :)
[10:33] <geirha> rory: are you sure it's not just the context you run it in? e.g. if you run it with cron, you'll likely have a very minimal PATH that doesn't include /usr/local/bin
[10:34] <geirha> in that case you should set PATH at the top of the script, or in the crontab
[10:34] <rory> actually NONE of the commands in the script are working. chmod isn't working. which isn't working.
[10:35] <rory> I'm running it literally with just "foo" - it's a bash script with executable bit on my PATH
[10:35] <geirha> rory: then my guess is something is overwriting PATH in the script
[10:35] <miguel2013> I'm reading I have to load a tty module
[10:35] <rory> but when I do echo $PATH I do see the path
[10:35] <geirha> rory: what's the exact error you get
[10:36] <rory> line 13: chmod: command not found
[10:36] <rory> line 19: git: command not found
[10:36] <rory> etc
[10:37] <rory> the first line is #!/bin/bash like I always do, and I never came across this before
[10:37] <geirha> and if you run echo "$PATH"  just before line 13, you still see /bin and /usr/bin in there?
[10:37] <geirha> also, does this involve chroot or similar?
[10:38] <rory> nothing funky going on, just a bash script on ubuntu 16.04
[10:38] <rory> let me try that just before the offending line
[10:39] <rory> omg I am so dense
[10:39] <rory> I was reading a positional variable and assigning it to PATh
[10:39] <rory> thanks geirha
[10:39] <geirha> And that's why you shouldn't use uppercase variable names :)
[10:40] <rory> idk I think calling it "path" would be even more cnfusing somehow
[10:40] <rory> better to call it KEY and be done :)
[10:41] <geirha> lowercase it still. key= or path=
[10:42] <geirha> using uppercase variable names are bugs waiting to happen. Since the shell merges  regular variables and environment variables in the same namespace, using lowercase variables is how you avoid accidentally overriding environment variables as well as special shell variables
[10:43] <rory> you can't convince me - I like the way uppercase variables look in bash scripts. I don't care if I'm wrong.
[10:44] <rory> imo they make them easier to follow, if ALL your variables are uppercase
[10:45] <blackflow> geirha: in fact, uppercase vars is exactly why they're uppercase, to avoid namespace collision with everything else that's lowercase, like all the commands and such
[10:45] <geirha> blackflow: commands are in a different namespace
[10:49] <ppettina> Hi guys!
[10:49] <ppettina> I was wondering, what's the best way to have a bug considered for reopening
[10:49] <ppettina> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/1452115
[10:50] <ppettina> (I've added a comment)
[10:50] <MarcisB> Hello everyone! I have problem with hosts file
[10:50] <MarcisB> My hosts file looks like this -  https://hastebin.com/caxebobadu.css
[10:51] <MarcisB> But host symfony.dev not working. 127.0.0.1 only works
[10:51] <MarcisB> what might be a problem?
[10:51] <geirha> add back localhost
[10:51] <rory> could you elaborate on "not working" ?
[10:52] <geirha> 127.0.0.1 localhost symfony.dev
[10:52] <rory> you have an application you can access by 127.0.0.1 but not by symphony.dev? Are you able to telnet to symphony.dev on the application port?
[10:52] <MarcisB> Appache
[10:52] <MarcisB> I need it for apache web server virtual host
[10:53] <MarcisB> I m accesing it from chrome
[10:53] <MarcisB> 127.0.0.1 my web appache
[10:53] <rory> do you see anything in chrome at all when you access http://symphony.dev
[10:53] <rory> do you see anything in chrome at all when you access http://symfony.dev rather
[10:53] <MarcisB> This site can’t be reached
[10:53] <MarcisB> symfony.dev refused to connect.
[10:54] <rory> ok but 127.0.0.1 works fine in the same browser?
[10:54] <Ben64> how about pinging it?
[10:54] <geirha> nc -zv synfony.dev 80
[10:54] <MarcisB> Ok
[10:54] <geirha> *symfony
[10:55] <MarcisB> nc: getaddrinfo for host "synfony.dev" port 80: Name or service not known
[10:55] <MarcisB> Connection to symfony.dev 80 port [tcp/http] succeeded!
[10:55] <MarcisB> When pinging in terminal
[10:55] <geirha> there you go. Don't forget to add back localhost
[10:56] <MarcisB> ok need to add 127.0.0.1 localhost?
[10:57] <geirha> 127.0.0.1 localhost symfony.dev
[10:57] <geirha> a lot of programs will misbehave if there's no localhost
[10:57] <MarcisB> ok
[10:57] <MarcisB> Why this is so important?
[10:58] <MarcisB> I added it but also not working : (
[10:58] <MarcisB> 127.0.0.1 localhost symfony.dev
[10:59] <geirha> according to nc -zv you successfully connected to port 80
[10:59] <MarcisB> Yes but browser not : (
[11:00] <Cheez> what browser?
[11:00] <geirha> curl -i http://symfony.dev   does it try to redirect to https?
[11:00] <Cheez> .dev is owned by google and has HSTS preloading in chrome etc, so you cannot access it over http in chrome
[11:01] <Cheez> you should use .test for local test domains
[11:01] <MarcisB> ok
[11:01] <MarcisB> Thanks : )
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:01] <geirha> oh, fun
[11:02] <Cheez> geirha: yeah it's an interesting one, although that IS why .test is explicitly reserved for this sort of thing. :)
[11:03] <MarcisB> symfony.test not working also : (
[11:09] <MarcisB> geirha Through curl in terminal it loaded all my page
[11:09] <MarcisB> But in browser not
[11:09] <MarcisB> : )
[11:14] <MarcisB> I made symfony.mb and it works : )
[11:25] <Hanumaan> I have a iSCSI partition which is mounted at location /media/FolderABC sometimes its gets disconnected and the data copied is basically gets copied to local machine, is there a way to say that directory is not accessible when connection is not there?
[11:26] <gpunk> not at my knowledge
[11:32] <mooses> Hanumaan: I'd just whip up a fast bash script to handle the copy, have it check for a file named something like 'foo' that's on that iSCSI drive, if no foo, abort copy
[11:34] <Hanumaan> mooses: I actually made read only the mount point and so when it is not mounted then it will not be able to copy .. hope this will work
[11:35] <rory> Hanumaan: https://serverfault.com/a/570271/122391
[11:35] <mooses> Hanumaan: Ummm, but then when the drive is mounted I don't think it will be able to write :)
[11:35] <rory> Hanumaan: unmount it then run: chattr +i /mountpoint
[11:35] <mooses> oh that's smart, rory.  Forgot about chattr
[11:36] <rory> fwiw I typed "linux only allow write to mount point when mounted" into Google and clicked the first Stack result
[11:36] <mooses> you know what they say, 'the feature you want is probably already built in' <3 linux
[11:36] <mooses> rory: Show off! :3
[11:39] <Hanumaan> rory: getting this error "chattr: Operation not permitted while setting flags on /media/PastAccounts/"
[11:39] <vush> hello #ubuntu. I am working on a virtual machine in ubuntu 18.04 and have a problem with systemtap (loading evdev) saying "semantic error: while resolving probe point: identifier 'module' ... source: probe module("evdev").(...) semantic error: no match
[11:40] <viran> I have a python process using 100% cpu that kill -9 doesnt end, any suggesstions?
[11:40] <vush> i have applied the fix for symbols and module names, i really think its the module that is missing
[11:41] <rory> Hanumaan: you would need to be root, or use sudo in front of the command
[11:41] <blackflow> viran: is it in D state?
[11:41] <viran> blackflow: ubuntu   26789  100  0.0      0     0 ?        Zl   Oct13 4388:36 [python] <defunct>
[11:41] <Hanumaan> rory: thanks .. error didnt look like permission but worked with sudo thanks
[11:41] <blackflow> viran: that's a zombie, init should reap it
[11:42] <geirha> well, it's not using 100% cpu
[11:42] <viran> geirha: top shows 100%
[11:42] <blackflow> Hanumaan: "not permitted" didn't look like permission?
[11:43] <viran> blackflow: what doe you mean by init?
[11:43] <Hanumaan> blackflow: sorry .. yes it is ..
[11:44] <blackflow> viran: PID 1
[11:45] <viran> blackflow: so, i should give it time?
[11:45] <blackflow> viran: if it doesn't, I'm affraid there's nothing you can do about it, but reboot. possibly with --force as systemd might object.
[11:47] <blackflow> viran: googling for it, seems to suggest systemd has issues with reaping zombies. I'd just reboot.
[11:47] <ioria> viran, probably a multi-threaded
[11:49] <viran> i'd like to unmount /mnt before i restart (aws machine, with a few aws disks) .. but im getting a message from umount saying /mnt is busy.... any safe way to unmount?
[11:49] <howarthjw> Anyone here running the newer (post-340) nvidia drivers?
[11:50] <howarthjw> I am curious if your nvidia_drm is triggering ipmi_msghandler.ko to load
[11:53] <airwind> damnit...
[11:54] <airwind> xubuntu... whenever I try to attach a file in Thunderbirs the file selection dialog will open and show all files including the ones that begin with a dot (hidden ones)
[11:54] <airwind> What was the setting again to disable showing these?
[11:55] <airwind> ~/.config/gtk-2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini already has a line ShowHidden=false, has no effect
[11:55] <blackflow> airwind: ctrl+h  if I'm not mistaken
[11:56] <airwind> holy hell that worked, thank you
[11:56] <airwind> thing is I already tried that shortcut, but in Thunar and it had no effect on the file selection dialog
[11:56] <airwind> never thought about trying it in the dialog itself
[12:25] <lotus|NUC> ppettina: ill ping hggdh to have a look at it
[12:26] <ppettina> thanks gpunk!
[12:26] <ppettina> *lotus
[12:27] <lotus|NUC> ppettina: feel free to idle in #ubuntu-discuss also
[12:39] <ppf> how do i configure which program to open mailto links with?
[12:41] <ioria> ppf, you can try systemsettings -> details -> default programs
[12:41] <ppf> what's systemsettings?
[12:42] <ppf> i have no DE
[12:43] <lotus|NUC> ppf: you should mention your ubuntu version before asking issues
[12:43] <ppf> my bad; xenial
[12:43] <lotus|NUC> ppf: and flavor?
[12:44] <ppf> ubuntu
[12:44] <ppf> i tried mimeapps.list in .config and .local/.../, but that didn't help
[12:44] <lotus|NUC> ppf: you dont run unity?
[12:44] <ppf> i.e. chrome and xdg-open don't open the email client but a new empty browser window
[12:44] <ppf> no
[12:45] <blackflow> ppf: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-utils#xdg-settings
[12:45] <blackflow> ppf: which WM?
[12:46] <ioria> ppf, cp /usr/share/applications/defaults.list    in  ~/.local/share/applications   and  do  'grep mail defaults.list'
[12:46] <ppf> blackflow: xdg-mime gives the right answer
[12:46] <ppf> blackflow: awesome-wm
[12:48] <blackflow> ppf: I suppose it's your browser setting then. Eg. firefox has Applications section under General tab where you can adjust such actions, see content type "mailto"
[12:48] <ppf> blackflow: why does xdg-open go through the browser?
[12:48] <blackflow> I never said it does. You asked how to "open mailto links", so I assume it's in a browser?
[12:49] <ppf> i tried both the browser and xdg-open
[12:49] <blackflow> note that "mailto" isn't a mime type actually, but URL scheme
[12:50] <ppf> `xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/mailto` returns the correct .desktop file
[12:50] <blackflow> so I suppose you need to "xdg-settings set default-url-scheme-handler mailto <handler>"
[12:50] <ioria> x-scheme-handler
[12:51] <afancy> Hello, I have a cluster, with 1 master node and 16 slave nodes, with ubuntu 18.04 installed in all nodes.  For each node, there are two network interfaces, eno1 and enp2s0. The eno1 is used for internal network, while enp2s0 is used for external network. I use netplan to assign a static public ip address on enp2s0. Then, I could successfully ping the gateway of the public network, but I failed to ping the nameserver. What is the problem?
[12:51] <afancy>  could anybody help me? thanks
[12:51] <rory> I am writing a script that performs some actions, then runs a git clone. Can I support all "git clone" options like "-b branchname" without explicitly handling them in my script?
[12:51] <ppf> xdg-settings get default-url-scheme-handler  mailto
[12:51] <ppf> is also correct
[12:51] <ppf> blackflow: ^
[12:51] <rory> like a bash equivelent of Python functions **kwargs
[12:52] <blackflow> rory: not kwargs but yes *args.   https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/304895/pass-command-line-parameters-to-a-program-inside-the-shell-script
[12:53] <blackflow> ppf: which handler are you using?
[12:54] <Paddy_NI> blackflow: No joy, still sitting at a low resolution
[12:54] <Paddy_NI> :-(
[12:55] <ppf> blackflow: claws-mail
[12:55] <blackflow> Paddy_NI: sorry, no idea then.
[12:55] <blackflow> ppf: but what's teh _exact_ value for the xdg-settings
[12:55] <afancy> could anybody help me? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hd3FX4z2b4/
[12:56] <ppf> blackflow: x-scheme-handler/mailto=claws-mail.desktop
[12:56] <rory> lovely, thanks blackflow
[12:56] <ppf> blackflow: bah, got a typo in the other mimeapps list :(
[12:58] <blackflow> ppf: so, fixed?
[12:59] <ppf> blackflow: ya :(
[12:59] <ppf> thanks though!
[13:00] <blackflow> np ;)
[13:23] <Discordian93> Hey I'm having trouble with Ubuntu 18.04 on my laptop, googled it and apparently it's a GNOME issue? I downgraded to 16.04 and I'm wondering if I could install another desktop environment while on 16.04 then upgrade to 18.04 in order to bypass this or will upgrading delete other desktop environments like it does to Unity?
[13:24] <lotus|NUC> Discordian93: share your actual issue first please?
[13:24] <EriC^^> Discordian93: you could still install unity on 18.04 even from a fresh 18.04 install
[13:25] <EriC^^> as lotus|NUC  said though it's better to discuss the actual problem you're having
[13:25] <Discordian93> yes thing is the issue is that 18.04 freezes after like a minute of running
[13:25] <Discordian93> so I don't have time to install Unity or anything
[13:25] <lotus|NUC> Discordian93: on a clean install?
[13:25] <Discordian93> yes
[13:25] <Discordian93> tried both a clean install and an upgrade
[13:26] <Discordian93> even the live usb freezes
[13:26] <trobotham> have you reviewed logs?
[13:26] <EriC^^> Discordian93: did you look into /var/log/syslog for any stuff?
[13:27] <leftyfb> Discordian93: define freezes. Cant you CTRL+ALT+F2 to other tty's and login?
[13:28] <Discordian93> no, but after pressing ctrl-alt-f3 I saw an error message that someone with the same problem reported seeing in /var/log/syslog when I googled it
[13:28] <EriC^^> Discordian93: what was the error message?
[13:28] <Discordian93> no crashing to terminal mode kept giving me message of CPU unresposnive for 22 seconds
[13:28] <Discordian93> hold on I'll find the exact message
[13:28] <Discordian93> I found it before
[13:30] <Discordian93> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8de1jb/ubuntu_1804_crashes_after_login_help_appreciated/dxmowk2/
[13:30] <Discordian93> this error
[13:30] <Discordian93> that's what kept popping up over and over
[13:32] <EriC^^> Discordian93: which ubuntu iso were you using?
[13:32] <blackflow> that should've been the name for 18.04.   Ubuntu "Crashes After Login" Bionic Eighteen Oh Four.
[13:33] <blackflow> Discordian93: in my case, upgrading nvidia to 396 from graphics-drives PPA solved it. I _my_ case.
[13:33] <Discordian93> I was using the 18.04 ISO from the torrent in the download page of ubuntu.com
[13:34] <EriC^^> Discordian93: so 18.04.1 ?
[13:34] <Discordian93> also an old ISO for 16.04 when I tried upgrading
[13:34] <Discordian93> yes 18.04.1
[13:35] <leftyfb> Discordian93: you could try nomodeset or acpi=off as kernel parameters. Then as blackflow suggested, if you have an nvidia chipset, I would recommend installing the 390 driver from the ppa.
[13:35] <Discordian93> ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:35] <trobotham> so wait, is it kernel panicing?
[13:35] <Discordian93> how do I do that?
[13:35] <blackflow> 396 from PPA, not 390
[13:36] <leftyfb> blackflow: I've had better luck with similar issues with 390 over 396
[13:36] <EriC^^> Discordian93: hold shift to get grub, press "e" to edit, then add nomodeset and/or acpi=off in the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ....quiet splash and press F10 to boot
[13:36] <trobotham> assuming you are using grub ;)
[13:36] <Discordian93> right now I'm on 16.04
[13:37] <leftyfb> Discordian93: we cannot troubleshoot 18.04 issues unless you're running 18.04
[13:37] <saint_> Hi all- CentOS 7 can't be installed on a HP Proliant ML350 because it does not see the disk array. Does anyone know if the latest version of Ubuntu has the same issue on those old ML350 ?
[13:37] <Discordian93> so I hold shift when I'm on GRUB?
[13:38] <Discordian93> aftr upgrading
[13:38] <leftyfb> Discordian93: you hold shift to get to grub
[13:38] <leftyfb> saint_: try it
[13:38] <Discordian93> hold shift from where? the desktop?
[13:38] <leftyfb> Discordian93: during boot/POST
[13:38] <leftyfb> saint_: http://certification.ubuntu.com/server/models/?query=ML350
[13:39] <Discordian93> I'll try but boot is a bit tricky on this laptop
[13:40] <Discordian93> like I can't ven get to UEFI settings during the boot sequence, have to do it fom the grub menu or windows settings
[13:40] <saint_> leftyfb thanks
[13:41] <saint_> leftyfb sadly, i m not using a Gen9 ... it s an old one. with a P400 controller
[13:41] <leftyfb> saint_: try it
[13:42] <saint_> leftyfb i m afraid it s not going to work from what i saw online. i ll keep an old OS on it for now and will try to find another machine. thanks for the link
[13:43] <leftyfb> saint_: or you could try it. The live iso would have been booted by now if you tried it at the same time you originally asked here.
[13:44] <saint_> lol =- yeah
[13:58] <Jackneill> hey
[13:59] <Jackneill> im using service as my init. i want to get programatically (golang) the pids (pid groups) of some services. is there a better way then parsing status output?
[14:17] <afancy> Hi, I failed to start systemctl start systemd-resolved (see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f9MtFBG8jk/)
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> Jackneill: This channel is not really setup to handle programming questions. You might want to try a channel that is dedicated to the programming language of your choice or a general software development channel.
[14:31] <Jackneill> thanks
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> afancy: You have something misconfigured. Best to review your configurations and make sure everything is how it should be. Also, you shouldn't be setting up password authentication for SSH connections, it is highly recommended to use preshared keys.
[14:49] <ZeZu> hmm,  I can't grow btrfs part backwards live ... do I just add another node to btrfs w. another partition or reboot and resize w. live usb?
[14:50] <blackflow> ZeZu: resize. btrfs is pooled so it'd be a shame not to use that fully.
[14:51] <ZeZu> true, but it is nice to have the option to add nodes transparently w.o just using vfs mount
[14:56] <blackflow> ZeZu: I'm not quite sure what you mean by adding nodes.
[15:15] <NTQ> Anyone an idea how to make a graph out of the logs atop is generating? I am thinking of a graph for my load average.
[15:19] <OerHeks> NTQ, there is this project on github https://github.com/aplsms/atop-graph
[15:20] <NTQ> OerHeks: It looks quite complicated. It seems I also have to install a docker environment and building a docker container. But just for a little graph? I don't think so...
[15:21] <ioria> NTQ, then take a look at gnuplot
[15:22] <NTQ> ioria: Uh, that's looking much nicer.
[15:23] <ioria> NTQ, (skip the install part) https://alvinalexander.com/technology/gnuplot-charts-graphs-examples
[15:26] <NTQ> ioria: The most complicated part, at least for me, is to read the binary logs atop is generating. Maybe I can find the converter inside the atop-graph project and make it a little bit easier.
[15:32] <ioria> NTQ, atop -r filename.raw > filename.txt
[15:33] <NTQ> oh, too easy xD Thank you
[15:33] <ioria> NTQ,   https://superuser.com/questions/599464/graphing-atop-logs
[15:34] <NTQ> ioria: I just found the same like a few seconds ago :-D
[15:36] <ioria> NTQ,   also'man  atopsar' might be useful
[15:37] <israphial> Hi, having an issue with my second monitor. Just updated to 18.04 (which is awesome btw). My display settings accurately detect my second monitor as being there, and I can adjust settings for it, but the display isn't on. Like it thinks it's not getting a signal. However, before I boot into Ubuntu, it lights up with my pre-boot screen just like my main one does.
[15:38] <israphial> Also, all of a sudden, when I try to switch my settings to dual monitor, the "keep your settings?" box that appears is appearing on THAT monitor so I can't even turn on keep my settings because the screen is black on that screen. So I'm kind of stuck in single monitor mode right now and I'm not sure what to do.
[15:40] <OerHeks> israphial, odd, how do you tell that textbox in on that black screen?
[15:40] <israphial> Because the screen dims and the window *doesn't* appear on my working monitor.
[15:41] <israphial> But I know it's appearing somewhere. And when I was in dual monitor mode, I could move my mouse off my main screen onto the second monitor, so the computer is simulating the display without the monitor actually receiving a signal.
[15:45] <israphial> So, not only can I not see what's on the monitor, I can't even switch to dual-display mode right now...
[15:48] <ioria> israphial, if everthing else fails, you can always try lightdm (instead of gdm3) and set it as default
[15:49] <israphial> Well nobody has offered any solutions at all yet and I'm having trouble finding any on the interwebs. Like I have no clue what to do. I've messed with the settings endlessly. I've been messing with this issue for an hour now, and finally decided I need some live help or something. And this channel has been incredibly helpful in the past.
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> israphial: Someone is attempting to already help you. Please remember to have patience as everyone here is volunteering their time to help each other out.
[15:56] <israphial> They are?
[15:56] <israphial> Who?
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> israphial: ioria offered another suggestion to try
[15:57] <israphial> Switching to lightdm?
[15:57] <israphial> That's the one and only message I've seen from him or really anyone to me
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> israphial: Yes, and have you considered attempting that?
[15:58] <israphial> Doesn't that change around my entire UI?
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> no
[15:58] <israphial> Really? What does it change? The last time I attempted to use lightdm for a fix, I couldn't log in to my computer lol.
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> israphial: That sounds like you've got more going on with that system than you have told us about
[16:00] <israphial> This is not the same computer as that one was, it was about a year ago. This is a fresh install and different comp.
[16:00] <israphial> Which is why I'm confused as to why my second display isn't working with an out of the box install of a full ubuntu release. :(
[16:01] <tgm4883> israphial: this is a fresh install of 18.04?
[16:01] <israphial> Yes, I just did it this morning
[16:01] <tgm4883> Does it work properly from the live session?
[16:01] <israphial> Live session?
[16:02] <tgm4883> israphial: from the installation media
[16:02] <israphial> Didn't do it like that, installed from... I think it was 17.10
[16:02] <israphial> No media used
[16:02] <tgm4883> So it wasn't a fresh install of 18.04
[16:02] <OerHeks> first you claim an updated to 18.04 ubuntu, now it is out of the box install
[16:02] <israphial> What would that be called then?
[16:02] <tgm4883> An upgrade
[16:03] <OerHeks> maybe your monitor is just set to dark by itself, fiddle around with the buttons?
[16:03] <tgm4883> israphial: does it work properly from a guest session?
[16:03] <israphial> Ok. Then I upgraded to it this morning. My apologies for getting the terminology wrong.
[16:03] <tgm4883> OerHeks: it works during boot though
[16:03] <israphial> The monitor basically shuts off/loses its signal immediately after grub.
[16:03] <israphial> Plus it's showing a "no signal" insignia, not just a black screen.
[16:05] <tgm4883> israphial: I'd verify proprietary drivers for your video card are installed and then check it from a guest session and if that fails from a live session
[16:05] <israphial> Ok. I will try to find that stuff now.
[16:06] <ioria> i think guest session is out on 18.04
[16:06] <tgm4883> israphial: maybe also try xrandr to see if you can configure it that way or if you're getting any error messages
[16:06] <tgm4883> ioria: sad news
[16:06] <ioria> lol
[16:06] <israphial> xrandr?
[16:07] <ioria> israphial, i's checkalso if wayland is stillin use
[16:07] <tgm4883> No guest account means creating a new user just to test this :/
[16:07] <israphial> This is embarassing, but I don't know what xrandr is, nor do I know how to see if wayland is being used
[16:08] <tgm4883> israphial: command line utility for configuration displays
[16:08] <israphial> Searching for xrandr returns nothing in software store
[16:08] <israphial> ah is it a cli cmd I need to run?
[16:08] <ioria> israphial, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:08] <tgm4883> israphial: should already be installed
[16:09] <israphial> ioria, x11
[16:09] <ioria> israphial, you're ok then
[16:09] <israphial> So... Wayland isn't the cause
[16:11] <tgm4883> israphial: what's the output of just 'xrandr'
[16:12] <israphial> This is really frustrating. I can't even TURN ON dual monitor functionality because the keep or revert settings window isn't even appearing on my main monitor, so I can't select it. ugh.
[16:12] <israphial> tgm, how do I export that to text? Or can I just copy it from cli..
[16:12] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[16:12] <israphial> copied, sec
[16:12] <tgm4883> ok
[16:13] <israphial> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FyhKDT2HKP/
[16:13] <israphial> didn't know you used your own version of pastebin here, that's cool
[16:13] <israphial> Also, thank you for your help so far.
[16:14] <ntd> TJ-, any revelations debugging the issue we discussed?
[16:14] <tgm4883> israphial: Try "xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --auto --right-of HDMI-A-0"
[16:15]  * tgm4883 crosses fingers
[16:16] <israphial> Main screen flashed. Nothing changed.
[16:16] <israphial> Display type appears to still be in single display mode.
[16:16] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:16] <tgm4883> israphial: What video card?
[16:17] <israphial> AMD Radeon R9 380 series.
[16:17] <israphial> Also: I never did mess with those proprietary driver things someone mentioned. How do I get to those settings?
[16:17] <tgm4883> israphial: both monitors attached to that card?
[16:17] <israphial> I can't find them anymore. I thought they used to be in settings.
[16:17] <israphial> Let me double check. Fairly certain yes.
[16:18] <tgm4883> israphial: any output from "sudo ubuntu-drivers list"
[16:18] <israphial> Yes, both plugged into gpu. sec.
[16:19] <tgm4883> israphial: and those plugs, one is HDMI and the other is DVI?
[16:19] <israphial> Whoa lol. NOTHING.
[16:19] <israphial> No output.
[16:19] <tgm4883> ok
[16:19] <tgm4883> that's expected
[16:19] <israphial> Main monitor is hdmi. Other is DVI, yes.
[16:20] <israphial> However:
[16:20] <israphial> There is a converter dongle being used for the old monitor. It's converting TO DVI I think, from VGA.
[16:21] <tgm4883> from DVI to VGA, if DVI is what is on the card
[16:21] <OerHeks> boot a live iso, to see if that works
[16:21] <israphial> DVI is the port on the card. So yes, oops. DVI to vga.
[16:22] <tgm4883> Yea I'd boot an ISO and see if you have any more success with the monitors. Also, see if there are any updates available
[16:23] <tgm4883> Booting from an ISO would at least verify there wasn't an issue with the upgrade
[16:23] <israphial> The monitor worked directly before the upgrade. Like it was working this morning.
[16:23] <israphial> It also works with my windows dual boot partition.
[16:24] <tgm4883> Neither of those confirm there wasn't an issue with something DURING/POST upgrade
[16:24] <lolcat-007> hello, how can i limit the bandwidth of other device connected to my local network???
[16:25] <gpunk> traffic-shaping
[16:25] <israphial> pretty sure I have a key for 16.04 LTS somewhere. Hell, I don't even remember how to live boot anymore lol.
[16:25] <gpunk> google that :)
[16:25] <vmeson> lolcat-007: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/tc.8.html
[16:26] <tgm4883> israphial: I'd download a 18.04.1 ISO, 16.04 won't tell us much
[16:27] <israphial> Downloading an entire ISO is not really an option for me right now, it would take multiple hours to complete. Right now I am using a tethered phone for internet lol.
[16:27] <israphial> Of all of the possible solutions, that one really isn't possible for me at the moment.
[16:28] <lolcat-007> gpunk: what i want to do is to limit the speed of other device connected to my local network which is watching netflix all the time so make the internet very low
[16:29] <gpunk> yes, see vmeson link :)
[16:31] <vmeson> lolcat-007: do you have an open source router that all those devices connect to?
[16:32] <lolcat-007> vmeson: that is the problem my router doesnt have that function to limit speed so
[16:32] <lolcat-007> what do i need?
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> lolcat-007: Haven't you asked this question before?
[16:32] <lolcat-007> pragmaticenigma: not really
[16:33] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: you would need to have a device between your network and the internet that could limit traffic. Generally this is done on your router
[16:34] <lolcat-007> tgm4883: my router can do that
[16:35] <tgm4883> I'm confused now
[16:35] <lolcat-007> it doesnt have that function
[16:36] <rbs> I upgraded php packages from 1.4.2-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1 to 1.5.3-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1 and I want to revert the version back, how do I do it using apt?
[16:36] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: if it doesn't have that function, you would either need to get a new router or put another device in that could do QoS
[16:36] <gpunk> like a rasperypi with linux ...
[16:37] <gpunk> oh, you'd need two nics , so never mind
[16:37] <lolcat-007> tgm4883: wait a minute what is QoS?? i guess i already saw that on my router?
[16:37] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: Quality of Service
[16:37] <gpunk> quality of service
[16:38] <lolcat-007> tgm4883: but with that can i control the bandwidth
[16:38] <lolcat-007> ?
[16:39] <israphial> tgm4883, I'm going to restart my computer and I'll be right back
[16:40] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: it depends on what that does on your router and how configurable it is. It's useful when you don't want someone to take all of the bandwidth when there's competing items
[16:41] <lolcat-007> tgm4883: ok i gonna take a look of that but in case is possible to do it in linux limit the bandwidth
[16:41] <lolcat-007> ?
[16:42] <gpunk> at my knowledge, QoS controls/alters the pings not the bandwith
[16:42] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: yes, if your device is in line
[16:43] <lolcat-007> tgm4883: in line what do you mean? connected to my local network?
[16:43] <gpunk> it will have to be between your router/modem and the lan
[16:43] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: as in <YOUR NETWORK> ----- <DEVICE TO LIMIT BANDWIDTH> ------ <ROUTER>-----<INTERNET>
[16:44] <lolcat-007> tgm4883: sorry i dont get it
[16:44] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: you can't just put a device on your network that limits bandwidth. You have to put it BETWEEN your network and the internet
[16:45] <teward> lolcat-007: to control bandwidth all the data on your network has to flow through it.  If it doesn't, then you can't control (or "meter") the bandwidth.
[16:45] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: you can't just install something on your computer that limits other people's bandwidth
[16:45] <rbs> this is what I have from apt history log, I need to revert this... php-mongodb:amd64 (1.4.2-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1, 1.5.3-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1)
[16:46] <teward> lolcat-007: QoS and bandwidth rate limiting and control happens at the border with the router or sometimes before the router, if you don't have that capacity in your router or you don't have something that every single byte of traffic flows through first you can't rate-limit the bandwidth on your network
[16:47] <lolcat-007> tgm4883: ok but there is a software called selfishnet in window you just install it and you can control the bandwidth so in linux there should be something similar or better
[16:48] <teward> lolcat-007: that's more or less 'false behavior' or it integrates with other routers' QoS that already exists
[16:48] <teward> lolcat-007: if it runs solely on your own single computer it's not really doing 'bandwidth control'
[16:48] <teward> lolcat-007: at least not on your entire network.  or are yo ujust trying to control the bandwidth of your individual applications on your own computer and only your computer?
[16:49] <teward> (rather than your entire network)
[16:49] <lolcat-007> teward: i trying to control other device connected to my local network
[16:50] <teward> lolcat-007: selfishnet is false behavior it doesn't really 'control' the bandwidth.  there's nothing Linux client-side that can do that.  you have to rate limit and control traffic at your router.
[16:50] <israphial> So I restarted my computer, switched to "ubuntu using Wayland" in the login to see if that would change anything, and it didn't. Monitor did the same thing. Restarted again, turned Wayland off, didn't see an option for LightDM otherwise I would have tried that. Monitor still doesn't work right. This is so frustrating...
[16:50] <tgm4883> lolcat-007: we don't support that sort of behavior here
[16:51] <israphial> The monitor loses signal right after the grub dark purple screen goes to black. The second monitor just doesn't come back on with the main one and eventually it shows "no signal" and stays running.
[16:51] <lolcat-007> teward: ok so how can i configure QoS on my router
[16:52] <teward> lolcat-007: that's beyond the scope of this channel sorry.
[16:52] <gpunk> go to #networking they might help you
[16:54] <lolcat-007> gpunk: ok thank
[16:55] <gpunk> :)
[16:58] <israphial> tgm4883: Do you have any other ideas dude? I'm honestly about done with this whole thing. This is so frustrating. I've been pouring through threads for like 2 hours now and nothing seems to even be relevant to me, let alone fix my problem.
[16:59] <israphial> I just want to get the hell off of windows. X_X
[16:59] <gpunk> why do you want wayland ?
[17:00] <israphial> But with ubuntu, it seems like one problem after another. As soon as I figure out a fix to my network issue, this pops up.
[17:00] <gpunk> it is not that ready yet...
[17:00] <tgm4883> israphial: I don't. I'm in a meeting right now, but as I suggested before verify that you have all updates installed and try creating a new user.
[17:00] <israphial> Are you talking to me? I don't even know exactly what Wayland is. Lol.
[17:01] <israphial> Ok tgm, I apologize for the ping then.
[17:01] <tgm4883> israphial: you could also try setting the displays up in mirror mode to see if that starts the second monitor
[17:02] <israphial> All updates are up to date. Checked in software center and in cli using apt get. I can try a new user I guess.
[17:11] <tomvolek> trying to install Ubuntu 18 from a USB into a core dual desktop and keyboard goes dead at the page which you input your name and passwrd, no keyboard input whatsoever, So I can not install .. anybody seen this ?
[17:14] <OerHeks> tomvolek, that is unusual, did you checksum the iso?
[17:14] <pragmaticenigma> tomvolek: what kind of keyboard? laptop or desktop?
[17:14] <tomvolek> checksum is ok ..
[17:14] <tomvolek> its a logitech wireless keyboard .. it was working fine with Ubuntu 16 ... no problem what so ever
[17:15] <gpunk> plug/unplug the dongle ?
[17:15] <OerHeks> try boot again in live mode, then hit the install button on the desktop?
[17:15] <tomvolek> Actaully I had another problem also, the screen would come up blank after upgrading from 16 to 18 ... I had to reinstall from scratch to get ride of the blank screen issue
[17:15] <tomvolek> i have done all the plug , unplug , restart , u name it
[17:16] <tomvolek> I am booting from USB ,  how can I boot to rescue mode .. so i be at console .. I saw this thread maybe will help : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395625&page=2
[17:17] <tomvolek> I been googling all night , this thing has eaten up 8 hours of my time :(
[17:17] <tomvolek> it seems some other folks are seeing it also .
[17:18] <tomvolek> but have not seen a definitive answer pointing to a keyboard driver or somethign else
[17:20] <tomvolek> can I install Ubuntu 18 from command line using USB ?
[17:21] <TJ-> tomvolek: do you have keyboard input at the GRUB boot loader?
[17:21] <tomvolek> TJ- once BIOS comes up, it immedietly goes to loading OS from USB and boom its on the red installation screen
[17:22] <TJ-> tomvolek: try tapping Esc key immediately the BIOS is displaying messages; GRUB will look for the Esc key as it starts, and stop at the boot menu if it detects it. If that works, you know the keyboard issue is with the OS, not the keyboard itself
[17:22] <tomvolek> TJ-: I can try to hit shift key after BIOS to see if I can trap the key to get into Grub ..
[17:23] <TJ-> tomvolek: you may have to repeatedly tap Esc too, not just hold it down
[17:23] <tomvolek> TJ-: do you know if install from USB and grub menu will let you install fro command line ? no desktop install
[17:23] <TJ-> tomvolek: the LiveISO will not. The server ISO does
[17:24] <tomvolek> ok good to know,  Can I install the Server then upgrade to desktop afterward ?
[17:24] <TJ-> tomvolek: also useful to note, if when starting the installer ISO you get the GRUB menu, then it is booting in UEFI mode
[17:24] <tomvolek> I really want to try this work around someone found on the thread above I pasted
[17:25] <tomvolek> ok ?
[17:25] <TJ-> tomvolek: Yes, you can. After install you'd do "apt install ubuntu-desktop"
[17:25] <tomvolek> ok, let me go that route and see what happens, its very likely some changes made to the inut driver for U18
[17:26] <TJ-> tomvolek: There was a bug at one time where the keyboard focus was on the wrong tty. So you could work around it by switching using Ctrl+Alt+F2 then Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or F7) to get back to the GUI and focus would have returned.
[17:26] <tomvolek> ok, so I will burn Server ISO on a USB, reboot, hit Shift and Escape repeatedly to get to the grum and rescue mode ...
[17:27] <TJ-> No Shift, just Esc
[17:27] <TJ-> Shift only works for BIOS boots. For UEFI only Esc works
[17:27] <tomvolek> ok I can try that also..... By the way the Server ISO install, does that happen at command line or it brings up a graphic screen up ie Xorg ?
[17:27] <tomvolek> ok good to know TJ thanks
[17:28] <TJ-> tomvolek: the reason is, on BIOS mode GRUB can directly read the hardware registers and see the shift bit is set, whereas in UEFI GRUB has to use firmware services to read the keyboard, and they don't provide access to the shift/ctrl/alt bits
[17:28] <tomvolek> I see...
[17:29] <TJ-> tomvolek: the server installer uses ncurses text user interface (text-based dialogs)
[17:29] <tomvolek> TJ-:  on the BIOS I see a reference to UEFI being enabled or disabled, should it be enabled or disabled ?
[17:29] <TJ-> tomvolek: make sure to get the correct server installer, because one of them has the graphical "subiquity" "live server installer"
[17:29] <tomvolek> TJ-:  good to know, thats better, is that the default ?   I am an old timer I prefer things on tty :)
[17:29] <TJ-> tomvolek: preference would be to have UEFI enabled and boot the installer in that mode
[17:30] <tomvolek> ok,  let me find the server ISO now ... Thanks for the hints
[17:31] <TJ-> tomvolek: I've not tried the new ISO so not sure how the graphical installer fires up
[17:31] <TJ-> tomvolek: I think you want http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/ubuntu-18.04.1-server-amd64.iso
[17:31] <tomvolek> much appreciate it
[17:32] <TJ-> yes, that's the text based installer. The 'live' graphical version is at http://releases.ubuntu.com/bionic/ubuntu-18.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso
[17:32] <TJ-> although from what I've seen reported it's not so much live as brain-dead at times :)
[17:33] <tomvolek> :), ok I am doanloading the first one now ..
[17:33] <tomvolek> I normally wait 6 months before I jump on a new version to let the dusts settle down.  But this time I got hit by this .
[17:35] <TJ-> tomvolek: I switched to 18.04 4 months before it was released, and it has generally been solid although as usual there are niggling bugs around the edges
[17:36] <eeos> hi everybody! Can you install appimage files system wide?
[17:36] <tomvolek> ok, unfortunly this was my master server at the lab ...
[18:05] <norebe> How do LTS releases intend to address the more limiting security patch support policies of packages? e.g. PHP?
[18:07] <tomreyn> norebe: can you explain "more limiting security patch support policies"?
[18:14] <OerHeks> patches get backported, AFAIK
[18:15] <norebe> tomreyn: I mean that the PHP project states it will support PHP with security patches for 3 years after release. What happens to an LTS release after 3 years?
[18:15] <pjs> hey all.. Been having strange issues since yesterday but as of now my mic/speakers aren't recognized. I have a thinkpad x1c6, the only thing I did was plug in a headset yesterday (first time doing so, newish laptop) and now the built in mic/speakers don't work. How can I restart alsa-utils, pulse etc.? I tried using service and it says they're masked (not even sure what that means)
[18:20] <OerHeks> pjs, open terminal: alsamixer # and hit F6 to select your soundcard, done.
[18:21] <tomreyn> norebe: like OerHeks, I'd expect that patches get backported for packages which receive Canonical support (main, restricted).
[18:22] <tomreyn> that's how it used to be.
[18:22] <pjs> OerHeks: thanks. but is it weird that I have to do this after using a headset? maybe I need events setup?
[18:22] <BrianBlaze> hello beautifuls, I am running lubuntu and trying to set up vnc but vnc is trying to use xfce, while lubuntu is lxde as I understand. How do I force it to use that? Or am I thinking completely wrong lol
[18:23] <OerHeks> pjs, was this an USB headset, by any chance?
[18:23] <OerHeks> that could explain it
[18:23] <pjs> OerHeks: nope, 3.5mm
[18:23] <pjs> normal ack
[18:23] <pjs> jack*
[18:23] <OerHeks> oh oke, no clue then :-(
[18:24] <pjs> ok.. thanks
[18:27] <pjs> OerHeks: I still can't get any sound to play
[18:28] <pjs> OerHeks: actually I rebooted since using the headset now that I think about it.. so that can't be it
[18:29] <TJ-> OerHeks: pjs hint: ACPI ?
[18:30] <pjs> TJ-, hrmm.. I did make a change to a my defaults/grub file yesterday removing a sleep helper setting that was previously needed on this thinkpad (had to patch the dsdt/acpi table)
[18:31] <pjs> but it shouldn't be neeed any longer as Lenovo released an updated bios resolving the issue
[18:33] <TJ-> pjs: mention of DSDT makes me think that could well be related
[18:33] <pjs> TJ- but I removed that patched dsdt table a month ago and it's been fine. There was a lingering setting related to sleep (on laptop lid close) that was no longer needed in grub config. I removed that
[18:34] <TJ-> pjs: maybe the new firmware has broken something else?
[18:35] <pjs> TJ-, possible but this just happened and I've been running it for a month now. Also, my gdm stopped working yesterday (no clue why).. I have to alt+f2, get a shell, startx manually (annoying)
[18:35] <TJ-> pjs: is the sound device seen by the kernel? "lspci -kd ::0403"
[18:35] <pjs> something happened yesterday.. so weird
[18:35] <pjs> TJ-, yes
[18:35] <BluesKaj> wonder if alsa settings could have been reset and the automute in alsmixer was re-enabled
[18:36] <TJ-> pjs: OK, and does that lspci report show a driver in use?
[18:36] <pjs> Tj- http://dpaste.com/3WVJ4GW
[18:36] <pjs> snd_hda_intel
[18:36] <TJ-> pjs: next step is to examine the kernel log: "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[18:37] <pjs> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yc7H9SVB32/
[18:39] <TJ-> pjs: line 855 onwards shows the audio hardware config
[18:39] <BluesKaj> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, perhaps? maybe the intel audio bug has resurfaced
[18:40] <TJ-> pjs: what does "pastebinit <( aplay -l )" show?
[18:40] <TJ-> BluesKaj: it's already loaded, has to bw
[18:41] <TJ-> pjs: does the problem occur after a COLD boot as well as after a suspend/resume ?
[18:42] <tu> Hello! I'm looking to customize an Ubuntu install CD and have all my basic problems solved except for me - each install my image will be doing will come from a USB drive - is there a place I can dump a file to on the USB key after the image is written so that I could change it per install? Basically need to swap out one file on the image but don't want to rebuild it everytime
[18:42] <tu> Basically wondering if I can just dump the file on the USB key root and then later use it during the install
[18:43] <BluesKaj> TJ I had a lenovo laptop that used to unload the driver intermitently
[18:43] <TJ-> BluesKaj: right, but pjs confirmed it is loaded currently
[18:43] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:47] <pjs> TJ-, sorry, let me see
[18:47] <OerHeks> tu; short answer = no
[18:47] <pjs> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sRyq4FcrHy/
[18:48] <pjs> TJ-, I haven't tried rebooting yet. Just noticed this now
[18:48] <tu> Wow really? That's gonna ruin my day. I kinda figured that had to be possible.
[18:48] <TJ-> pjs: OK, so it is the default device too (device index 0)
[18:48] <tu> OerHeks: let's say I'm willing to work for it is there a workaround of some kind?
[18:48] <TJ-> tu: if you're putting an ISO9660 file-system on the USB that is by definition Read-Only
[18:49] <tu> Argh. I didn't think it actually did it that way
[18:49] <tu> Makes sense though.
[18:49] <pjs> TJ-, I guess I could reboot. I have another meeting in 10 minutes (which is how I discovered this to begin with. Chrome couldn't see my mic for my last meeting lol)
[18:49] <pjs> brb
[18:50] <tu> My basic issue is I need to provision machines. They need a per machine cert. Was kinda hoping to just dump it next to the burned thing on tyne USB key and just have 1 key per machine to install
[18:51] <TJ-> tu: I can think of some complex tricks that might make it possible, but I wouldn't recommend them for the use-case you're talking about. You could however write raw bytes (using 'dd') to bytes *after* the end of the ISO, and include logic in your image (a shell script) that knows how to find those and to read/write them, or you could even use dmsetup (device-mapper) to map some raw sectors (after the end of
[18:51] <TJ-> the ISO image) and format them with a file-system
[18:53] <Thete> Is there any way to get fractional scaling on Ubuntu 18.04?  On a 4k display 100% is too small and 200% is way too big, would be nice if there were options for say 125%/150%
[18:53] <TJ-> tu: there is an alternative though. Have your installed images use the network to send the certificates to another host.
[18:53] <Thete> This was an option when they were using wayland
[18:53] <TJ-> tu: have you considered using network provisioning and tools like cloud-init for this?
[18:54] <tu> TJ-: Er you mean fetch the stuff I need via the network?
[18:55] <TJ-> tu: provisioning tools are designed to do this kind of job.
[18:55] <Thete> some people are saying that you can switch back to wayland on the login screen but there's no cogwheel on my login screen to do that
[18:55] <ioria> Thete, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029436/enable-fractional-scaling-for-ubuntu-18-04
[18:55] <tu> TJ-: I'm using ansible. The issue is I need to create a self signed VPN client cert for each box and am hoping to keep the root ca offline
[18:56] <tu> So I was hoping to be able to preprovosion the certs to basically take alongside the USB key
[18:57] <TJ-> tu: so you're operating your own CA, which issues certs for your hosts?
[18:57] <tu> Yea just VPN client certs
[18:57] <pjs> TJ-, ugh, I hate when reboots work... lol
[18:58] <pjs> sound is working
[18:59] <tu> I'm super open to suggestions too. I just had no better ideas than having the cert somehow dumped next to each install image
[19:00] <OerHeks> pjs, have fun!
[19:00] <pjs> OerHeks: oh yea hah
[19:02] <Thete> ioria: yeah I saw that, doesn't seem to work very well, I was gonna install latest gnome apparently there's more options
[19:02] <TJ-> pjs: OK, so your issue is due to the ACPI suspend/resume not properly reconfiguring the audio device
[19:03] <BluesKaj> the old intel audio bug
[19:03] <TJ-> pjs: I have an article with a workaround that may help you http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:03] <BluesKaj> anyway, it's a bug in my book
[19:04] <V7> Hey all
[19:05] <V7> Do we need a "Dynamic DNS" when configuring noip on linux machine (local machine) just to get an ip tied with domain name?
[19:05] <ioria> Thete, above 3.30 i guess ?
[19:05] <ntd> Thete, in here?
[19:06] <ntd> orly?
[19:07] <Thete> ioria: yeah
[19:07] <ioria> Thete, really ?
[19:08] <ntd> Thete has some rather conservative views on ECC memory
[19:09] <ntd> he also shares my utter disdain of netplan
[19:09] <Triffid_Hunter> V7: you need dynamic dns if your ip address changes unpredictably
[19:10] <pjs> TJ-, thanks!
[19:10] <ntd> and a dhcpd that updates the dns'
[19:11] <V7> Triffid_Hunter: Does /usr/bin/noip2 application update ip value with domain name registered at noip.com?
[19:15] <black_mamba> On mac you have fs_usage … What is the equivalent on ubuntu? something that reports system calls and page faults related to filesystem activity in real-time
[19:16] <V7> fsdisk
[19:16] <V7> fschk
[19:16] <V7> fsck *
[19:16] <V7> Mighe be
[19:20] <leftyfb> black_mamba: dmesg
[19:20] <leftyfb> which are kernel messages
[19:20] <leftyfb> So not system calls I guess, but will show filesystem errors
[19:20] <black_mamba> leftyfb: it even comes with colors! that is helpful though!
[19:20] <cim209> has anyone here tried DisplayCal?
[19:21] <cim209> DisplayCAL*
[19:21] <leftyfb> cim209: that's not your question
[19:21] <OerHeks> !info displaycal
[19:21] <leftyfb> cim209: it's also not a supported package
[19:22] <cim209> it's in kubuntu's discover
[19:22] <cim209> kubuntu 18.04
[19:22] <OerHeks> you might want to reask in #kubuntu
[19:25] <Thete> ntd: this is the only ecc kit that works on my board http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/rog-zenith-extreme/CT11004038
[19:25] <Thete> lol
[19:26] <ntd> you bought one of those ROG obelisks?
[19:29] <Thete> only board at the time that had the lowest VRM temps on threadripper 2
[19:29] <Thete> it is flakey as F though
[19:29] <Thete> Asus has some seriously screwy bios issues on that board
[19:30] <Thete> their latest firmware which was supposed to enable dual 2080 RTX completely wrecks nvme raid
[19:31] <Thete> and the last 2 versions doesn't work with CL14 3200 Samsung B-die ram
[19:34] <Thete> so FYI if you wanna do TR2, stay away from ASUS they are sucking right now
[19:37] <Paddy_NI> Hi I am struggling to get a resolution of 1920x1080 on a GTX 1050 TI.  I have been running around in circles for the past 3 days trying to get it to work.  So far the only driver that automatically detects the correct screen resolution is Nouveau, however this will not be sufficient as my client requires this for gaming purposes.
[19:38] <Paddy_NI> The nvidia 390 driver does not seem to go above 1600x900. Even when I do select 1600x900 it is cut off, as in the bottom and right sides of the desktop go off screen
[19:39] <Paddy_NI> I have also tried using xrandr to add a mode which is also unsuccessful, apparently this is blocked by the driver
[19:41] <OerHeks> Paddy_NI, tried to reset the monitor with its own menu to factory default?
[19:41] <Paddy_NI> OerHeks: Yes
[19:41] <Thete> I haven't had any problems with 390 on nvidia 10 series
[19:41] <Thete> this on displayport?
[19:41] <OerHeks> oh oke, no clue then :-(
[19:41] <Paddy_NI> Thete: HDMI
[19:41] <Thete> that's the problem
[19:42] <Thete> switch to displayport
[19:42] <Paddy_NI> Thete: No it's not the problem
[19:42] <Thete> try it
[19:42] <ntd> last time i had an asus mobo they stopped giving updates after a few months
[19:42] <Paddy_NI> Thete: As I already stated it works with Nouveau
[19:42] <Paddy_NI> It also works when I use windows or a live cd
[19:42] <ntd> there were no issues with the last update, but the ME firmware is now five years old
[19:42] <Thete> I've already experienced this pain
[19:43] <ivali> how do I disable automatic udpates to Ubuntu Desktop?
[19:43] <Paddy_NI> Thete: And the client is using this on a television so display port is out
[19:43] <Thete> then I guess they're hosed
[19:44] <Triffid_Hunter> Paddy_NI: tried 396.54 driver?
[19:44] <Thete> I can only speculate, but I think it has something to do with nvidia's driver with HDMI
[19:44] <Thete> I had the same problem
[19:44] <Paddy_NI> Triffid_Hunter: Yes, same issue
[19:44] <Paddy_NI> Thete: That would be absolutely terrible if it was true
[19:45] <Thete> it's nvidia
[19:45] <Thete> par for the course with them
[19:45] <Paddy_NI> No doubt many linux users with Nvidia cards must be using hdmi
[19:45] <Thete> on linux at least
[19:45] <Triffid_Hunter> Paddy_NI: weird, I'm using hdmi on nvidia right now, works great.. sounds like nvidia driver doesn't like whatever your client's TV is telling it about the screen dimensions
[19:45] <Paddy_NI> Triffid_Hunter: It could very well be a problem with edid, although I cannot find a way around it :-(
[19:46] <Thete> that could be as well
[19:46] <StatelessCat> meow
[19:46] <Paddy_NI> Although I cannot use xrandr to do "addmode" as it spits out errors, supposedly it's not allowed or so I believe
[19:47] <eeos> hi everybody! Can you install appimage files system wide?
[19:47] <Paddy_NI> I also tried making a custom xorg.conf, which broke X
[19:47] <Paddy_NI> :-(
[19:48] <Paddy_NI> Obviously I only have the vaguest of ideas  as to what I am doing
[19:48] <Paddy_NI> ;-(
[19:48] <StatelessCat> :/
[19:51] <Paddy_NI> Is there any point in hoping that it would somehow work on a different television?
[19:51] <Paddy_NI> Or is there something more fundamentally wrong
[19:51] <Paddy_NI> Other than my sanity level
[19:58] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: does the Xorg.0.log give any clues, especially with regard to the EDID received from the TV
[19:59] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: I have not found anything, should I pastebin this?
[19:59] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: please "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" should do it
[20:05] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: Sorry for taking so long https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dZ8w52BsBM/
[20:06] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: line 188
[20:07] <Paddy_NI> It's an EDID issue
[20:07] <Paddy_NI> How do I get around this
[20:07] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: now, you already know the EDID can be read, because installer/nouveau did it
[20:07] <Paddy_NI> Yes
[20:09] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: So I think the quickest workaround is to boot with the installer LiveISO which'll use nouveau, choose the "Try Ubuntu" option, use tools to read the EDID (read-edid), save that file into the installed file-system for later, reboot into the installed image again, and then you can create a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf that contains an instruction to use that EDID file
[20:10] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: see https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3571/~/managing-a-display-edid-on-linux
[20:10] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: Oh my god that sounds wonderful :-)
[20:10] <Paddy_NI> Thank you TJ- I really appreciate this
[20:11] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: you might need to do some searches on how exactly to use read-edid before rebooting to the installer. Try it out
[20:13] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: I will do, however I will most certainly need help as the guy is coming to get his PC tomorrow :-/
[20:13] <Paddy_NI> Freaking out a little
[20:14] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: I am just going to grab my live usb
[20:14] <Paddy_NI> Please don't go any where :-)
[20:18] <Paddy_NI> bah!  That was my cloudready usb
[20:19] <Paddy_NI> I am an idiot. I will quickly make an ubuntu one
[20:20] <Paddy_NI> Downloading
[20:36] <matt|home> hi. im working remote to my ubuntu desktop , and im trying to save some resources. does anyone know if i can just kill the graphical stuff without having it automatically restart or something?
[20:37] <matt|home> ah nevermind i got it
[20:45] <frodef> I can
[20:46] <frodef> 't get any audio in audacity because it can't find the dynamic libs, as there is no /snap/alsa ...?
[20:46] <Paddy_NI> Hey TJ- my laptop went to sleep, apologies
[20:47] <multifractal> I have a partition containing Ubuntu Studio that I would like to erase to clear space. I also have Win10 and regular Ubuntu 16.04 with their own partitions as follows https://imgur.com/a/ZuohCIU. Am I able to erase just Ubuntu Studio on Partition9 and grow 16.04's Partition7 to occupy that freed space? If so, what tools? GParted?
[20:47] <Paddy_NI> I now have a live environment booted on the tower pc which has the problem.  Currently I have both "read-edid" and "edid-decode" installed.
[20:49] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: let me test it here, see what is needed
[20:51] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: start off with this to check there is a valid EDID: "sudo get-edid | parse-edid"
[20:53] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: Oh great you are still here, I ran just "sudo get-edid" and it spat out a bunch of info, some of which seems to be missing unicode letters
[20:53] <Paddy_NI> I'll do the other command you suggested
[20:54] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: get-edid on its own outputs the binary data only, which is why we need parse-edid to translate it into text
[20:56] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: if the output text looks good, and you see the modes you expect, you can use "sudo get-edid > /path/to/monitor.edid" to save it. I suggest you mount the user's home directory first, and write it there which will, I *think*, be /media/ubuntu/home/<your-user-name>/
[20:56] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: You are a legend
[20:56] <Paddy_NI> Thanks
[20:57] <Paddy_NI> Doing that as we speak, the information looks good. parse-edid displays it perfectly
[21:01] <TheWild> hello
[21:02] <TheWild> It's not strictly #ubuntu, but I got no answer on ##linux. How I can read raw 2352 byte sectors from a CD?
[21:06] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: I am quite confused, happy.. but confused.  I reboot in to the installed system and the resolution is now correct???  All I need was copy that edid file to the users home directory...
[21:06] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: And I checked "lshw -c video" and it is indeed using the nvidia driver
[21:09] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: lol really!?
[21:09] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: I know right!
[21:09] <Paddy_NI> I am so confused right now
[21:09] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: so it cured itself... the file isn't being used ... I'll bet you nudged the monitor cable connections and they're making full contact now
[21:10] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: You know I think the exact same thing
[21:10] <Paddy_NI> X-)
[21:10] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: tough lesson to learn but ... ALWAYS check cables/connections first, second, and third!
[21:10] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: I am very happy though, I do think it best to learn how to use that edid file I made.  Just in case I get to his home and it does the same thing on his tv
[21:10] <Paddy_NI> TJ-: Absolutely!!
[21:11] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: yes, belt-and-braces approach :)
[21:44] <multifractal> I have a partition containing Ubuntu Studio that I would like to erase to clear space. I also have Win10 and regular Ubuntu 16.04 with their own partitions as follows https://imgur.com/a/ZuohCIU. Am I able to erase just Ubuntu Studio on Partition9 and grow 16.04's Partition7 to occupy that freed space? If so, what tools? GParted?
[21:47] <Ben64> multifractal: yeah
[21:47] <debsan> Gparted live CD/USB
[21:56] <multifractal> Ben64: debsan: thanks. and i don't have to worry about it messing with grub and/or the widows10 bootloader?
[21:56] <Ben64> nope
[21:57] <Ben64> ubuntu studio might still appear in the list though
[21:57] <multifractal> that's no problem. thanks
[22:15] <JFox762> hi... i need help diagnosing Hibernate failure on my laptop
[22:19] <JFox762> This is a "log" of the changes I made in order to enable Hibernate
[22:19] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/Ng4NgQvr
[22:25] <TJ-> JFox762: tip: everything in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX is used for ALL menuentrys, but _DEFAULT options are only used for the default entrys (not recovery entries)
[22:25] <TJ-> JFox762: so your setting will duplicate the resume= entries on the default menuentris
[22:30] <JustAPerson> Is there a good tool for managing cgroups? I see there's some redhat stuff. Is that recommended?
[22:32] <JFox762_> hello
[22:33] <JFox762_> hibernation resume is failing for me...
[22:33] <JFox762_> it worked when i first implemented it...
[22:37] <mort> Hey, how do I make apt-get update grub even though my kernel is unsigned and secure boot is on?
[22:38] <mort> I know my system might end up booting, I'll just disable secure boot when I reboot in that case
[22:40] <kinghat> what does this mean? http://paste.debian.net/1047637/
[22:41] <qwebirc35281> Hello everyone! Quick question - does Ubuntu 18.04 LTS ship with broken LAMP stack ?! Because I just installed lamp-server with tasksel, and while apache2 works, its PHP7.2 mod doesn't get loaded. "sudo a2enmod php7.2" reports mod conflicts, and I have no idea how to solve this.
[22:42] <qwebirc35281> This is SHOCKING for an LTS release. Is tasksel known to be broken or deprecated? Which apache2 packages should I (un)install to fix this problem?
[22:43] <mort> qwebirc35281: did you install libapache2-mod-php?
[22:43] <qwebirc35281> Yes, tasksel installed it just fine.
[22:44] <qwebirc35281> "sudo a2enmod php7.2" reports :  Considering conflict mpm_event for mpm_prefork: ERROR: Module mpm_event is enabled - cannot proceed due to conflicts. It needs to be disabled first!
[22:45] <mooses> LAMP stack working 100% fine here on multiple 16.04 and 18.04 machines, but I did not rely on a external tool (nor do I see why one would not)
[22:45] <qwebirc35281> tasksel is not an external tool, it's the component of the default debian and ubuntu OS installer that handles such things
[22:45] <mooses> Oh, TIL.
[22:46] <JFox762> does anyone here know how to diagnose Hibernate issues?
[22:46] <mooses> qwebirc35281: If it helps, I followed this and 5 mins later was 100% up and working great - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-ubuntu-18-04
[22:46] <qwebirc35281> Haha, I'm following that as well, the problem is what you do if it DOESN't work  :)
[22:47] <qwebirc35281> Do you happen to know if disabling the conflicting mpm_event is safe to do?
[22:47] <mooses> xD that's always the fun part, right? :)
[22:48]  * qwebirc35281 has no idea how to setup apache
[22:48] <mooses> qwebirc35281: I don't see why not, you can always put it back
[22:48] <mooses> sudo a2dismod mpm_prefork
[22:48] <JFox762> hello?
[22:48] <qwebirc35281> right, let's see...
[22:49] <mooses> JFox762: We hear you, you're just not giving us really anything to go on.  You might try again, and this time include things like the system make and model, system logs showing the failure, etc.
[22:49] <mooses> JFox762: As it stands, your question is kinda like 'my car won't start'.  Not much to go on :)
[22:50] <JFox762> I am running a Lenovo T430s, Hibernate is failing to resume to previous state... When I turn the PC back on, it is as if it merely rebooted
[22:50] <JFox762> Running Ubuntu 18.04
[22:50] <mort> So, how do I force dpkg to upgrade grub even though my kernel is unsigned and secureboot is on?
[22:51] <mooses> JFox762: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2392205
[22:51] <mooses> JFox762: That should get you sorted.
[22:51] <mort> I don't care that the system won't boot, I'll just disable secureboot if it becomes an issue, I just don't want my system to be in a weird state due to packages not updating
[22:51] <mooses> JFox762: you can skip the encryption if you want.
[22:52] <TJ-> JFox762: check the kernel log on reboot, see what it is reporting when looking for the hibernate image
[22:52] <JFox762> How do I check the kernl log
[22:52] <TJ-> JFox762: "pastebinit <( dmesg )" and we'll look
[22:53] <JFox762> WOW!!!
[22:53] <JFox762> Never knew of Pastebinit
[22:53] <JFox762> such an awesome tool,
[22:54] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JD5H3xJ4Wv/
[22:54] <TJ-> mort: what error/warning are you getting, can you show in a pastebin ?
[22:55] <mooses> TJ-: JFox762 - guessing his issue is this - [  419.721205] PM: Cannot find swap device, try swapon -a
[22:55] <JFox762> had to install it... but I pretty much figured out what pastebinit does as soon as you suggested it :)
[22:55] <JFox762> Problem is Mooses... I had to ADD the partition after install, since I didn't have a swap partition before...
[22:56] <mort> TJ-: an ncurses screen with this content: https://pastebin.com/GcMpaTKG
[22:56] <mooses> Did you enable it, JFox762 ?
[22:56] <JFox762> so prior to the Swap partition, my system was presumably using a swap file, and not a partition
[22:56] <JFox762> so i tried to disable one of the swaps
[22:56] <JFox762> tried to disable the swapfile
[22:56] <TJ-> JFox762: and now "pastebinit <( lsblk )" please
[22:56] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cXTd7bmbqY/
[22:57] <JFox762> i did as you asked prior
[22:57] <JFox762> with the Swapon -a
[22:57] <TJ-> mort: you could installed the -signed package versions of the kernel
[22:57] <mort> TJ-: it's not a kernel from the repos
[22:58] <JFox762> What isn't a Kernel from th erepos?
[22:58] <TJ-> mort: oh, no, it's an rc5 from kernel mainline builds
[22:58] <TJ-> mort: in which case you'd need to disable S.B. first, then update
[22:58] <mort> I'd really prefer to do it in the other order
[22:59] <TJ-> JFox762: ok, that didn't help me much. Let me see "pastebinit <( sudo blkid )"
[22:59] <JFox762> are you both talking about my system?
[22:59] <mort> I'm talking about my system
[22:59] <TJ-> mort: looks like you'd have to hack the update scripts manually
[23:00] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yG9hKXGpJd/
[23:00] <JFox762> i had to run a sudo su actually
[23:00] <JFox762> and just typed pastebinit <( blkid )
[23:01] <TJ-> mort: I cannot find that message in any of the Ubuntu GRUB source
[23:03] <mort> it seems to be in a post-installation script
[23:04] <TJ-> mort: I've searched the source code, cannot find any strings matching what you pastebinned "enforcement policy" "will not be upgraded"  "cannot be verified"
[23:07] <TJ-> mort: but looks like this Bug #178872
[23:07] <TJ-> huh!!?
[23:07] <TJ-> oh! Bug #1788727
[23:07] <TJ-> mort: are you doing a release upgrade here?
[23:08] <mort> no, just an apt-get upgrade
[23:08] <mort> dpkg --configure -a does the same
[23:08] <TJ-> hmmm, weird, I wonder which package it is coming from
[23:09] <mort> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/riv9As0Z is what it prints outside of the ncurses window
[23:10] <mort> so it's grub-efi-amd64
[23:10] <JFox762> ??
[23:12] <JFox762> Does my fstab file look OK?
[23:12] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DxkRngXpVX/
[23:13] <JFox762> TJ-: Does my fstab file look ok?
[23:15] <TJ-> JFox762: It /looks/ like you've got a swapfile (which presumably is being written to when hibernating) but the kernel command line is telling it to pick sda2 (resume=UUID=63ed26d3-5587-4120-8bd1-cfbbedb61b27)
[23:15] <JFox762> right
[23:16] <JFox762> because I initially installed the system without a swap partition
[23:16] <JFox762> i had to add the swap partition using gparted on a live usb
[23:16] <JFox762> I then edited the fstab, in order to add the partition to it
[23:17] <JFox762> i also created a file in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[23:17] <JFox762> resume=UUID=63ed26d3-5587-4120-8bd1-cfbbedb61b27
[23:17] <TJ-> mort: what release of Ubuntu is that, 18.04 ?
[23:18] <mort> yeah
[23:18] <TJ-> mort: this is perplexing; I've even searched the translatinos files and can't match any of the strings!!
[23:18] <JFox762> im going to try hibernating again
[23:18] <JFox762> hold on
[23:18] <TJ-> JFox762: is sda2 active swap right now?
[23:20] <mort> TJ-: I grepped after it, it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-efi-amd64.templates
[23:20] <LuMint> hi guys
[23:20] <LuMint> installing an amd64 kernel on an i386 ubuntu
[23:20] <LuMint> http://dpaste.com/1YENGMQ
[23:20] <LuMint> how bad is it?
[23:20] <JFox762_> ugh
[23:20] <JFox762_> it didnt work
[23:20] <JFox762_> again
[23:20] <LuMint> JFox762_: ?
[23:21] <JFox762_> the hibernate
[23:21] <JFox762_> resume
[23:21] <JFox762_> Resume didn't work !!! >:(
[23:21] <LuMint> hey
[23:21] <LuMint> should I reboot or will it fail?
[23:21] <JFox762_> ???
[23:22] <JFox762_> TJ-: ?
[23:22] <TJ-> JFox762: you are missing the swapfile offset from the kernel cmdline
[23:22] <JFox762_> ???
[23:22] <JFox762_> how do i add that?
[23:23] <JFox762_> i don't want to use the swapfile... how do i use the swap partition instead/
[23:23] <JFox762_> ?
[23:24] <TJ-> JFox762_: alter the fstab entry to use the swap partition, delete the /swapfile
[23:24] <JFox762_> will that allow hibernate to function?
[23:25] <TJ-> JFox762_: in theory it should, since the first and only swap device will now be the swap partition, not the swapfile
[23:25] <TJ-> JFox762_: when you had 2 entries in fstab my guess is that it'd use the 1st swap device it found which was the swapfile
[23:27] <JFox762_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2vy5N32zrb/
[23:27] <JFox762_> Ok...
[23:27] <JFox762_> I just edited it
[23:27] <JFox762_> should that work?
[23:28] <JFox762_> I created a backup of the fstab by doing a "sudo cp fstab backupfstab2.txt"
[23:28] <TJ-> JFox762_: that should be better, yes
[23:28] <JFox762_> ok so should i attempt another hibernatE?
[23:29] <JFox762_> I'm going to attempt another hibernate
[23:30] <TJ-> JFox762_: yes, try it
[23:32] <JFox762> TJ-: Hibernate Resume failed again, in spite of changes to fstab
[23:32] <TJ-> JFox762: in what way are you deducing it failed?
[23:32] <JFox762> Im simply leaving certain apps open when I type "systemctl hibernate"
[23:33] <JFox762> and then seeing if those apps are still open, with data I inputed
[23:33] <JFox762> for instance... I had gedit open with some unsaved text I typed in there
[23:34] <johannes> Hi, I tried to do my xenial->bionic update finally, but apparently that failed and I'm in a half updated system now. Any idea how i can trace it down and fix? - https://pastebin.com/tyvjSCyC
[23:34] <TJ-> JFox762: but I've just noticed, the kernel log does seem to show that resume from S4 sleep succeeded.
[23:34] <TJ-> JFox762: do you have to log-in to the GUI via the greeter when it resumes?
[23:34] <JFox762> yes
[23:34] <JFox762> this used to work previously
[23:34] <JFox762> and when it did used to work, I had to login as well
[23:35] <TJ-> JFox762: show me "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[23:35] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gpxQqpJqKh/
[23:36] <TJ-> johannes: would "sudo apt full-upgrade" help?
[23:36] <TJ-> johannes: or in the alternative "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[23:36] <johannes> TJ-: nope, similar dependecy issues as with the install -f
[23:37] <JFox762> i forgot how to do a pipe command to search through an output
[23:37] <JFox762> like dmesg | ????
[23:37] <johannes> JFox762: grep
[23:38] <JFox762> ahhh yes
[23:38] <TJ-> JFox762: now show me "pastebinit <( tail -n 2000 /var/log/kern.log )"
[23:39] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M9xv2VyfrD/
[23:41] <TJ-> JFox762: line 1064
[23:42] <JFox762> but line 1065 says Image not found
[23:43] <TJ-> JFox762: lines 64-65 show a successful hibernate/resume
[23:43] <TJ-> JFox762: exactly, so the kernel cannot find a valid hibernate image
[23:44] <JFox762> Right...
[23:44] <JFox762> so basically on hibernate command exuction
[23:44] <JFox762> for some reason, the hibernation image isn't being saved
[23:45] <TJ-> JFox762: have you ensured initramfs-tools RESUME= is set correctly?
[23:45] <JFox762> im pretty sure
[23:46] <TJ-> JFox762: "cat /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume"
[23:46] <JFox762> resume=UUID=63ed26d3-5587-4120-8bd1-cfbbedb61b27
[23:47] <Bashing-om> JFox762: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume ; /etc/uswsusp.conf - have the correct UUIDs ?
[23:47] <JFox762> uswsusp?
[23:47] <TJ-> JFox762: "RESUME=" not "resume="
[23:47] <JFox762> hmm i never edited that
[23:48] <JFox762> RESUME has to be all caps?
[23:48] <TJ-> JFox762: it is an environmental variable that is used by a script
[23:48] <TJ-> JFox762: yes, RESUME != resume
[23:48] <TJ-> JFox762: that might not be the issue, but it is the most likely candidate right now
[23:49] <JFox762> ok
[23:49] <JFox762> i just changed it to "RESUME="
[23:49] <JFox762> RESUME=UUID=63ed26d3-5587-4120-8bd1-cfbbedb61b27
[23:49] <TJ-> JFox762: that looks better
[23:49] <JFox762> I never edited the uswsusp
[23:50] <JFox762> there is no such file actually
[23:51] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Maybe  uswsusp only comes into p[lay with encryption .
[23:51] <JFox762> Ahh
[23:51] <JFox762> let me try hibernate
[23:51] <TJ-> JFox762: The code does this "/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions:441:  if [ -n "${RESUME}" ]; then ..." the variable name is ${RESUME} and "-n" means it is testing for a string of length > 0
[23:52] <johannes> TJ-: any idea about my dependency issue ... my assumption is hat I installed some bad library via some ppa ages ago, but can't find the root cause
[23:52] <TJ-> johannes: I couldn't spot anything obvious
[23:53] <JFox762> should i try the hibernate function now
[23:53] <JFox762> TJ-: ?
[23:53] <TJ-> johannes: have you confirmed that all the /et/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} reference the new release?
[23:53] <TJ-> JFox762: Yes
[23:54] <johannes> TJ-: yes, either commented out or on bionic
[23:55] <TJ-> johannes: try working through the reported dependencies: "sudo apt install python3-xapian" and so on then retry the "upgrade -f" after each
[23:59] <JFox762> TJ-: it worked :D
[23:59] <JFox762> the biggest reason I want Hibernate to work so bad is because I have found Suspend to be *VERY* unreliable
[23:59] <JFox762> Suspend causes the laptop to just flicker off and then back on