[00:00] <tsimonq2> It really pains me to do it but you just found that too late.
[00:01] <Wafficus_> back, accidentally hit the power button lol
[00:03] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you mean we won't be able to fix this in the future? we just have to live with it? is there no workaround we can provide?
[00:03] <Wafficus_> weird ha
[00:03] <Wafficus_> must be double signed in
[00:03] <tsimonq2> wxl: The workaround is "partition it manually" but we need to tackle this fix right at the beginning of next cycle.
[00:03] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so no hope of the 0-day SRU fix?
[00:04] <wxl> oh wait
[00:04] <wxl> duh
[00:04] <wxl> you said images are final
[00:04] <tsimonq2> I was gonna say
[00:04] <tsimonq2> XD
[00:04] <tsimonq2> Right
[00:04] <wxl> but we could have people upgrade before installing
[00:04] <tsimonq2> IMAGES are final
[00:04] <tsimonq2> Installers are final
[00:04] <tsimonq2> Calamares is final
[00:04] <tsimonq2> Installed experience isn't
[00:04] <wxl> ahhhh
[00:04] <wxl> didn't realize they locked down the installers too
[00:04] <wxl> ok, so we need clear instructions on how one should accomplish this with a manual partition
[00:04] <tsimonq2> Right.
[00:05] <wxl> to be sure we got it write, do that up in the release ntoes and i'll test it and modify as needed
[00:05] <wxl> s/write/right/ jeez
[00:05] <tsimonq2> k
[00:05] <wxl> and i'll kick that over to +2 later too
[00:05] <tsimonq2> k
[00:28] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you ever heard of xtrlock?
[00:29] <wxl> see here. seems pretty cool. https://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/xtrlock-a-minimal-x-display-lock-tool/
[00:31] <lyorian> although will this mean you can't do no network encryption 
[00:38] <wxl> if we really want a screensaver, maybe we should work on selecting only the ones we want to be shown?
[00:38] <wxl> they're still adding new ones
[00:39] <wxl> there's even an "esper machine" (see blade runner) added in 2017
[00:41] <wxl> Peepers
[00:41] <wxl> Floating eyeballs. Anatomically correct, and they also track the pointer. 
[00:41] <wxl> that's from this year
[00:42] <wxl> and there's a bunch of scott davies (see "electric sheep") savers. he rocks. even the old ones look good.
[00:43] <wxl> Substrate
[00:43] <wxl> Crystalline lines grow on a computational substrate. A simple perpendicular growth rule creates intricate city-like structures. 
[00:43] <wxl> ^ that looks like a freaking kadinsky painting
[00:43] <wxl> ooooh they have the tron bit too!
[00:44] <wxl> wow i didn't know about all this
[00:44] <wxl> sorry, xscreensaver rules!
[00:45] <wxl> that said a bunch of these are not installed, which might explain something
[00:46] <kc2bez> I think the default flaming color bar picture on the background of some needs replacement.
[00:47] <wxl> for sure
[00:47] <wxl> but there are some really nice ones
[00:48] <kc2bez> Some aren't too bad. Is there a way to pretty up the lock screen?
[00:49] <wxl> try installing xscreensaver-data-extra, xscreensaver-gl, xscreensaver-gl-extra
[00:49] <wxl> that just activates xscreensaver
[00:54] <kc2bez> Wow there are a ton!
[01:02] <kc2bez> The man page is a good read. Lengthy, but fun in spots.
[01:13] <Wafficus> wxl: any qt based tasks I could help out with? :D
[01:14] <Wafficus> wxl: I pretty much got to class inheritance with qt creator's beginner guide
[01:50] <wxl> kc2bez: jwz is actually a pretty cool guy, i think
[01:57] <kc2bez> I agree :wxl
[01:59] <wxl> i think making a screensaver might be a fun project
[01:59] <wxl> WHOA BLOCKTUBE RULES
[02:00] <kc2bez> Check out some of the GL ones.
[02:00] <wxl> i know!
[02:01] <wxl> cage is a mind trip
[02:01] <wxl> if you're an escher fan check that out
[02:02] <kc2bez> Nice!
[02:04] <wxl> crank up the texture complexity on cubenetic
[02:05] <kc2bez> That makes your eyes bug out.
[02:05] <wxl> heheheh
[02:05] <wxl> DecayScreen
[02:06] <wxl> Melts an image in various ways. Warning, if the effect continues after the screen saver is off, seek medical attention.
[02:06] <kc2bez> Don't stare at that.
[02:08] <kc2bez> Fireworkx
[02:09] <wxl> oh wow
[02:09] <wxl> that's wild
[02:09] <kc2bez> Looks kinda real.
[02:12] <wxl> looks better than real
[02:12] <wxl> looks like hallucinogens may have been involved XD
[02:12] <kc2bez> LoL
[02:23] <wxl> holy crow hydrostat is really cool
[02:24] <kc2bez> Indeed it is.
[02:24] <wxl> also i ADORE hypnowheel
[02:25] <kc2bez> Can't stare at that either.
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[02:27] <wxl> oh hahaha try kumppa
[02:28] <kc2bez> That does suck you in.
[02:28] <kc2bez> How many monitors do you have?
[02:28] <wxl> one presently
[02:29] <wxl> oooooh memscroller is fun
[02:29] <kc2bez> I have 2. Juggler has a different one on each monitor.
[02:29] <wxl> cool
 What in tarnation are you both doing? :)
[02:30] <wxl> we're going through the hundreds of screensavers available for xscreensaver
[02:30] <wxl> it turns out the default options kind of suck but there's lots that are really really cool
 Dude sweeet
 Create a task
[02:30] <wxl> we have one
[02:30] <kc2bez> There is a task
[02:30] <wxl> you made it XD
[02:31] <kc2bez> I think I started it via @tsimonq2
 Both put your favorites on there and shaddap XD
[02:32] <wxl> i'll set up an rc and attach it
[02:32] <wxl> some of them look good under non-default conditions
[02:33] <wxl> jeeeez i open molecule and it immediately pops up heroin O_O
[02:34] <kc2bez> Methamphetamine for me 
[02:34] <wxl> heh
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[02:36] <wxl> ^ world respin @tsimonq2 ?
 @wxl [<wxl> ^ world respin @tsimonq2 ?], Oh hahahahahahahaha
 Respin because of Ubiquity.
 Go whack Adam over the head. :)
[02:44]  * wxl facepalms
[02:44] <wxl> and it was he who wouldn't let is tweak cala?
 He wouldn't help us.
 He didn't say we couldn't.
 Er, might have actually been for util-linux. Who knows? :P
[02:45] <wxl> oh well
[02:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9a0670d73bee: make screenshots for ARK 2048-qt and qterminal appear.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9a0670d73bee
[03:09] <wxl> oh crap @tsimonq2 re-reading Climby's note i think he's saying that non-encrypted EFI is failing for him
[03:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2209
 @wxl [<wxl> oh crap @tsimonq2 re-reading Climby's note i think he's saying that non-en …], Yeah we still need a Cala change anyway fixing that.
[03:21] <wxl> oh what was that?
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[03:29] <lyorian> is this only with vms or real hardware?
[03:29] <wxl> lyorian: which specific thing you asking about?
[03:30] <lyorian> the cala and efi?
[03:30] <wxl> efi/encryption fails regardless of the situation
[03:30] <wxl> it's, ultimately, because of some failings on the part of canonical
[03:31] <wxl> basically ubiquity has hacked around that quirk and we need to essentially do the same but it's just too late
[03:31] <lyorian> I mean non encrypted efi
[03:31] <wxl> oh that works everywhere, except for Climby who has a 32-bit firmware and a 64-bit CPU
[03:31] <lyorian> wxl are you sure?
[03:32] <wxl> i did pretty extensive testing
[03:32] <wxl> you're welcome to double check
[03:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T61: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T61#2210
 @wxl [<wxl> oh what was that?], I gave you a pastebin but before bootloader context
[03:44] <wxl> @tsimonq2: tl;dr move up the modification of sources.list and remove the http links
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: tl;dr move up the modification of sources.list and remove the h …], Yeah
[03:45] <wxl> do you want me to do that?
 I gave you my proposed changes already, just commit it.
[03:47] <wxl> kk 1s
[03:48] <lyorian> wxl I am getting grub recovery on an ovmf vm with xfs using manual partitioning.
[03:48] <lyorian> I hope I am not fat fingering it
[03:48] <wxl> lyorian: with encryption?
[03:48] <lyorian> wxl no
[03:48] <wxl> ok but with efi?
[03:49] <lyorian> yes
[03:49] <wxl> lemme check
[03:49] <lyorian> ovmf is what you need to run on virt manager an efi vm
[03:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2211
[04:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS07a443fb588d: Ensure upgrades don't happen for EFI packages.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS07a443fb588d
[04:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGSa392e286f370: Clarify changelog.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGSa392e286f370
[04:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2212
[04:20] <wxl> @tsimonq2: looks like lyn||ian is right. efi/manual partitioning/xfs fails :(
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: looks like lyn||ian is right. efi/manual partitioning/xfs fails …], Dude, with my patch or without?
[04:20] <wxl> oh hm that affects all efi things? cuz i had regular efi working before that
 Yeah
[04:40] <wxl> still fails, @tsimonq2 :(
[04:41] <wxl> @tsimonq2: to be clear, the fail is upon reboot ending in grub recovery
[04:45] <wxl> should we really support jfs?
[05:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2213
[05:01] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2 your fix failed :(
[05:16] <wxl> btrfs efi does NOT fail
[07:12] <lyorian> wxl what?
[12:26] <guiverc> sorry about the lxde/lxqt screenfetch lp bug - really really petty & stupid; I wondered if a comment here was better, opted for lp...
 No worries guiverc :)
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 i do use numix
 love em
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 Anything to test before the Thursday release?
 Not really. We're going to get one more respin and then we're set.
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 @queuebot [<queuebot> Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Cosmic Final] has been updated (2018101 …], 👍😁👌😁
 We'll get one more respin because vorlon was a bit trigger happy. :P
[21:46] <mpmc> 18.04 -> 18.10 upgrade possible? :)
 You can try, but it will very likely slaughter your kittens.
[21:50] <wxl> mpmc: you can reduce the likelihood of young cat abuse with https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
 Fresh install = fresh litterbox ... Must Save Kittens!!!
 "young cat abuse" that's a different way to word it XD
[21:55] <mpmc> wxl: So the short answer is no :p
 With frameworks switching from gtk to qt… most likely no.
[21:58] <wxl> mpmc: the answer is .... not easily
[21:58] <mpmc> I need to reinstall my HTPC anyway :)
[22:00] <wxl> @tsimonq2: we done with respins yet
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: we done with respins yet], Read above
 One more
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[22:18] <lyorian> wxl: what broke this time?
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[23:01] <mpmc> Why does that build bot have the channel name in it's nick? :p
 That's client side. :P
 Otherwise it's just a notice.
[23:02] <mpmc> Yeah, I just saw that, oops >.<
 Hehe np