[00:00] <TJ-> JFox762: I'm the opposite; been using S3 suspend for years on multiple laptops without a problem
[00:00] <TJ-> JFox762: oh, well that's due to some hardware not being disabled from sending Wakes - likely a USB device
[00:01] <TJ-> JFox762: you might find this helps that case a little: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:01] <johannes> I tried, but it becomes more and more, and the more I add the more it switches between "Depends: python3 (>= 3.6~) but 3.5.1-3 is installed" and "Depends: python3 (< 3.6) but 3.6.5-3ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[00:01] <JFox762> I also have bluetooth
[00:03] <JFox762> I disabled "Wakeonlan" via Bios
[00:04] <LuMint> hi
[00:04] <LuMint> how do I install dpkg manually?
[00:04] <LuMint> it's broken :(
[00:05] <gambl0re> the clock is not showing in the panel. whenever i open the Clock settings and set the time it shows up but when i close the Clock window, the clock will dissapear again. how do i make it so that it stays?
[00:08] <TJ-> johannes: For many of those packages it looks like the underlying issue is python3 hasn't been installed
[00:09] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2zDfhvHKqy/
[00:09] <m0rd3cai> Has anyone run into an issue with openssh-server removing .ssh/config file and failing to start the daemon?
[00:09] <JFox762> TJ-: that is how my laptop is configured to function
[00:09] <m0rd3cai> i get generic fail codes so theyre not too helpful
[00:10] <JFox762> also, even when I *did* have suspend working OK... it still consumed a substantial amount of battery life while in suspend mode...
[00:10] <JFox762> anywhere from 25 to 50%  would be lost over a 24 hr period IIRC
[00:11] <johannes> TJ-: I'm not at Qt ... different stuff depends on Qt stuff, all qt stuff depends on qtbase-abi-5-5-1, and "Package qtbase-abi-5-5-1 is a virtual package provided by: libqt5core5a 5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu7.5 [Not candidate version]"
[00:12] <TJ-> johannes: try "sudo apt install python3.6-minimal"
[00:12] <friendlyGoat> hey i was wondering: since you can make alternate sessions to boot into on xubuntu, i was wondering if there was a way i could make a second session that was just the command line interface
[00:12] <johannes> TJ-: no help https://pastebin.com/DeAYci8q
[00:13] <TJ-> JFox762: that sounds like a problem another user had about a year ago, it was being chased down as a kernel bug for a long time. I don't know if it was resolved
[00:13] <TJ-> johannes: oh, that is better news "python3.6-minimal is already the newest version (3.6.6-1~18.04)"
[00:13] <JFox762> Yeah... Suspend seems to just be unreiable at best
[00:13] <JFox762> Especially pernicious since if I close the lid... with handlelidswitch=suspend
[00:13] <johannes> oh I mssed that line in all the output!
[00:14] <JFox762> you can't really tell if the laptop is suspended or not
[00:14] <JFox762> so you put it away into your backpack... not knowing the laptop is still "on"
[00:14] <johannes> python3.6 --version    Python 3.6.6   so that works
[00:14] <JFox762> and kills the battery in a short period of time... only to later pull out your laptop to a 0% battery, and data loss
[00:14] <JFox762> which I'm careful to save any important data before shutting hte lid... but still
[00:18] <TJ-> johannes: I wonder if you can build on that to correct the python 3.6 situation
[00:19] <johannes> dpkg -l python\* | grep 16.04 | wc -l     -> 23
[00:19] <johannes> so at least 23 python packages not updated
[00:20] <johannes> includng ii  python3.5                           3.5.2-2ubuntu0~16.04.4    and ii  python3.5-minimal                   3.5.2-2ubuntu0~16.04.4
[00:20] <johannes> wouldn't those be replaced by 3.6?
[00:21] <johannes> I wonder if i break more if i uninstall python 3.5
[00:22] <m0rd3cai> has anyone seen a recent openssh-server update recently that broke the service?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> johannes: confirmed: " sysop@x1804mini:~$ dpkg -l python3.5 >> dpkg-query: no packages found matching python3.5 " .
[00:26] <johannes> hrm, half the system depends on python 3.5, so I can't uninstall it without breaking everything, but at the same time if I try to update the meta package "python3" and other python stuff this becomes an endless chain as well ...
[00:29] <johannes> and I end with qt again ...
[00:30] <malwar3hun73r> i'm having an issue with openvpn on ubuntu 18.04 where after i connect to a vpn through gnome, i no longer have DNS
[00:30] <johannes> Package qtbase-abi-5-5-1 is a virtual package provided by:
[00:30] <johannes>   libqt5core5a 5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu7.5 [Not candidate version]
[00:30] <TJ-> johannes: python3.5 is installed alongside python3.6
[00:31] <malwar3hun73r> in reading up on this, it seems that 18 no longer uses resolvconf and uses systemd-resolved instead
[00:31] <malwar3hun73r> however, knowing that has not led me to a path of being able to fix the DNS issue
[00:34] <johannes> TJ-: yeah, but xenial's 3.5 with xenial's dependants, which also depend on xenial's gtk and xenial's qt
[00:35] <malwar3hun73r> any suggestions?
[00:37] <TJ-> johannes: my point was you sohuld be able to install the python3.6 libraries alongside without removing any 3.5
[00:37] <johannes> TJ-: yea, but I was trying to update "python3" the virtual package
[00:37] <johannes> but here is my attempt to go down he Qt chain: https://pastebin.com/je2DP9tk
[00:37] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: you're configuring the VPN via network-manager's connection editor (via the network icon > Edit Connections... ) ?
[00:38] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, correct
[00:38] <malwar3hun73r> well, i first imported a conf file, but the conf file was not 100% correct so i made a few changes
[00:39] <johannes> that gives me an actual "no candidate" error instead of mixed versions as all the other stuff, which gives me the feeling this is closer to the root cause
[00:39] <malwar3hun73r> for what it's worth, i've used these config files and the same steps on 16.04 for years with no issue
[00:39] <TJ-> johannes: there's your problem! "nautilus : Depends: libexempi3 (>= 2.4.0) but 2.2.2-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed" -- where is it getting 2.2.2-2ubuntu0.1 from? that isn't in 18.04 archive
[00:39] <malwar3hun73r> just installed 18.04 today (fresh install) and am experiencing the issues
[00:39] <johannes> TJ-: any hint how i figure that out?
[00:40] <TJ-> johannes: start with "apt-cache policy libexempi3" -- see where it is going to come from
[00:40] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: but is there a connection configured in network-manager?
[00:40] <johannes> 2.4.5-2 500    500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Package
[00:41] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, yes, and i've manually specified the DNS servers in the config file
[00:41] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, the only option i have found is this: https://torguard.net/forums/index.php?/topic/1326-fix-dns-leaks-gnome-network-manager/
[00:41] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, specifically, setting dns=default and disabling systemd-resolved (the second answer)
[00:41] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: what does "systemd-resolve --status " grep 'DNS Servers' " report?
[00:42] <malwar3hun73r> seems like a work-around and i'd rather make this work as intended
[00:42] <TJ-> if you disable systemd-resolved how is the system going to resolve?
[00:42] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, while connected or disconnected from VPN?
[00:42] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: whilst connected to the VPN, if that is when you lose DNS resolving
[00:42] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, not sure, but those steps work for me and DNS works while connected to VPN
[00:43] <malwar3hun73r> ok, one second, let me undo those changes...
[00:44] <JFox762> how do i remove a directory and its contents?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> JFox762: With great care and sure you know what you are doing ' rm -R <directory> ' .
[00:46] <TJ-> JFox762: "rm -r /path/to/dir"
[00:46] <JFox762> i know not to do that with rm -rf /
[00:46] <JFox762> lol
[00:46] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, that command reports two DNS servers, the correct external and correct internal
[00:47] <malwar3hun73r> however, i just tried to nslookup www.google.com and received
[00:47] <malwar3hun73r> ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached"
[00:47] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: try "systemd-resolve www.google.com"
[00:47] <JFox762> i needed to completely delete some gnome-extensions that have become corrupted
[00:47] <JFox762> Im trying to install a 2nd Timezone clock on my topbar...
[00:49] <JFox762> I keep getting "Error" when I install a Gnome Extension for "Panel World Clock
[00:49] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, the command has been hanging for 2 minutes now...
[00:50] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, i have some FW rules in place, but i can ping the DNS servers just fine and there are not port-based filters so port 53 is allowed
[00:50] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, ok, after 3 minutes i got "www.google.com: resolve call failed: All attempts to contact name servers or networks failed"
[00:52] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, this is 5 months old, but do you think this could be the issue
[00:52] <JFox762> does anyone know of a good way to install a 2nd timezone time to the topbar?
[00:52] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/dns-leaking-with-systemd-resolved-and-openvpn/16709
[00:55] <urgodfather> is anyone around?
[00:59] <JFox762> nevermind
[00:59] <JFox762> figured it out
[00:59] <urgodfather> thats always good :)
[01:08] <JFox762> Does anyone know what chatroom i should go to for help with the Steam Proton compatability tool?
[01:08] <JFox762> Im trying to get a game to work with Proton
[01:09] <urgodfather> is it a steam issue or an ubuntu issue?
[01:11] <JFox762> Im not sure
[01:11] <urgodfather> whats the issue?
[01:12] <JFox762> im trying to play Niteteam 4..
[01:12] <urgodfather> and....
[01:12] <JFox762> but it comes up with a dialogue error
[01:12] <urgodfather> do you have steam installed?
[01:12] <urgodfather> whats the error
[01:13] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/zHUqjsp8
[01:13] <JFox762> That
[01:13] <urgodfather> ok so do you have dx11 enabled?
[01:13] <JFox762> i have no idea
[01:13] <johannes> so, my python dependencies, lead me via python3-dbus.mainloop.qt into Qt, and Qt leads me to "libdouble-conversion1 : Breaks: libdouble-conversion1v5 but 2.0.1-3ubuntu2 is to be installed" vs. "libdouble-conversion1v5 : Conflicts: libdouble-conversion1 but 2.0.1-4ubuntu1 is to be installed" where libdouble-conversion1v5 seems to be the old one
[01:13] <JFox762> how do i check?
[01:13] <urgodfather> what kind of gfx card do you have?
[01:14] <JFox762> none
[01:14] <JFox762> it is an intel hd4000
[01:14] <urgodfather> ah
[01:14] <urgodfather> what version of ubuntu?
[01:16] <urgodfather> run this in terminal                     sudo lshw|less
[01:16] <urgodfather> look for display and see what it says
[01:18] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bksJr23tpz/
[01:20] <Bashing-om> !info libdouble-conversion1v5 bionic
[01:20] <Seylerius> Trying to configure ndiswrapper for a crappy USB wifi card. The driver seems to be installed, but it's not working. Here's the dmesg output: https://bpaste.net/show/5f60707e25f5
[01:20] <JFox762> urgodfather:
[01:22] <Bashing-om> johannes: ^ so, what shows ' apt depends libdouble-conversion1v5 ; apt rdepends libdouble-conversion1v5 ' . See if they can safely be removed ?
[01:22] <urgodfather> do this... uname -r
[01:23] <johannes> Bashing-om: some qt core libs depend on it ... but I thnk I know what I acually broke myself ... some years back I experimented with compiler toolchains and c++ runtimes and that seems to fire back on me now, messing with those core libs is never good :-D
[01:23] <urgodfather> seylerius, why use ndiswrapper? you would be much happier using a linux compatible wifi card. they are less than 10 buck on amazon
[01:24] <Bashing-om> johannes: Good progress made ; Kudoes :)
[01:24] <johannes> the question is how i fix it .. :-)
[01:25] <johannes> and what exactly is broken
[01:25] <urgodfather> just saying, thats all :) its a PITA when it comes back to haunt you.
[01:25] <Seylerius> urgodfather: This is what was already on hand. And I don't have $10 to spare at the moment. I'm definitely in favor of replacing the thing, but I'm stuck with what's available until I get a chance to do so.
[01:25] <JFox762> urgodfather: did you check out my pastebin?
[01:25] <urgodfather> and usb is the only option?
[01:25] <johannes> I assume I installes stuff from ubuntu-toolchain-r-ubuntu-test-xenial
[01:26] <Seylerius> urgodfather: Yep.
[01:26] <urgodfather> jfox run the uname -r command
[01:26] <urgodfather> seylerius, yikes. got an old router?
[01:26] <Seylerius> Nope.
[01:26] <Seylerius> Operating on an extremely limited stockpile at the moment.
[01:27] <Seylerius> Also, onboard wired NIC is shot.
[01:27] <Seylerius> (well, I'm 85% sure of that)
[01:27] <urgodfather> why so?
[01:27] <urgodfather> what makes you suspect it?
[01:27] <d1rewolf> can someone tell me how to inspect current dns servers in 18.04.1? resolvectl seems to be missing
[01:28] <Bashing-om> johannes: "what exactly is broken" maybe ' sudo dpkg -C ' can tell ?
[01:30] <urgodfather> Bashing-om can i pm?
[01:30] <johannes> arg, 3:30am already ... I guess I go to sleep, and hope for a Fairy ... otherwise reinstall might be faster :-)
[01:31] <Bashing-om> urgodfather: Support related best kept in channel - I am not the sharpest tool in this toolbox :P
[01:31] <johannes> dpkg -C just brings me back on top of the dependency chain with python, hud and nautilus
[01:31] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: ' sudo systemd-resolve --status ' lead ya in the right direction ?
[01:32] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: that's it. thank you
[01:32] <urgodfather> nah not support related
[01:32] <JFox762> urgodfather:
[01:32] <JFox762> ?
[01:33] <JFox762> urgodfather: did you check out my pastebin
[01:33] <Seylerius> urgodfather: I suspect this because it detects the card, but the card never reacts to a cable, nor does the card go up, even with a static IP.
[01:33] <urgodfather> jfox762, for the uname -r    ?
[01:33] <JFox762> ... no
[01:34] <urgodfather> do the uname -r please
[01:34] <JFox762> thatwas for the sudo lshw|less
[01:34] <urgodfather> i saw that
[01:34] <d1rewolf> can someone point me to how to use network manager instead of netplan on 18.04?
[01:34] <JFox762> 4.15.0-36-generic
[01:35] <JFox762> urgodfather: uname -r          4.15.0-36-generic
[01:36] <urgodfather> yep i see it, little out of date but not really bad
[01:36] <JFox762> what is out of date?
[01:36] <JFox762> my kernel?
[01:36] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: No getting awy from netplan ..in one of 2 forms . -server is expected to use systemd-networkd, and it's configured via netplan.
[01:37] <urgodfather> yes, they are up to 4.18 stable now if i remember correctly
[01:37] <JFox762> do you update the kernel by just doing sudo apt update/upgrade?
[01:37] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: i'm on a desktop tho...any way there?
[01:37] <JFox762> because... otherwise I have no idea how to update the kernel
[01:37] <d1rewolf> want to use nm-tray etc, from i3
[01:37] <urgodfather> nah
[01:38] <urgodfather> thats just regular updates
[01:38] <JFox762> are you suppoed to update your kernel?
[01:38] <JFox762> on a regular basis?
[01:39] <LuMint> how do I install dpkg manually?
[01:39] <LuMint> what files should I copy?
[01:39] <urgodfather> not always
[01:39] <urgodfather> depends on the reason, plus you have to consider compatibility
[01:40] <urgodfather> risk vs reward
[01:40] <JFox762> ahh
[01:40] <JFox762> so ...
[01:40] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: Desktop uses netplan to configure NetworkManager. Use the GUI to configure .
[01:40] <JFox762> regarding the Dx11
[01:41] <JFox762> Proton compatability tool in Steam
[01:41] <JFox762> how do i know if DirectX 11 is installed?
[01:41] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: hmmm...k. I'm running i3. any idea what that gui would be called?
[01:41] <LuMint> how do I install dpkg manually?
[01:41] <LuMint> what files should I copy?
[01:41] <d1rewolf> and I presume, if I had to, I could use nmcli?
[01:41] <d1rewolf> LuMint: dpkg -i file
[01:42] <LuMint> d1rewolf: http://dpaste.com/0W4K4BX
[01:42] <LuMint> doesnt work
[01:42] <urgodfather> well heres the deal, you have an hd4000. theres 2 ways to approach it. you can either try to upgrade your kernel or you can try to install opensource drivers for it.
[01:42] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: Not used i3 .. but I still expect there to be an icon in some task bar "network" .
[01:42] <d1rewolf> LuMint: you need to specify the path to the file
[01:42] <d1rewolf> full path
[01:43] <urgodfather> up to you. doing a kernel upgrade is usually safer b/c you can always boot into the older kernel if it doesnt work
[01:43] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: yeah....k. think i need to get nm-tray installed. thx
[01:43] <JFox762> opensource drivers
[01:43] <JFox762> oooohhh
[01:43] <JFox762> nevermind
[01:43] <LuMint> d1rewolf: doesn't work :( http://dpaste.com/2BZXKA1
[01:43] <JFox762> kernel then?
[01:44] <gambl0re> the clock is not showing in the panel. whenever i open the Clock settings and set the time it shows up but when i close the Clock window, the clock will dissapear again. how do i make it so that it stays?
[01:44] <d1rewolf> LuMint: no clue
[01:44] <LuMint> d1rewolf: see, i have to unpack and install it *manually(
[01:44] <LuMint> like, manually manually
[01:45] <JFox762> how do install a newest kernel?
[01:45] <urgodfather> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[01:45] <LuMint> thats what I asked for.
[01:45] <LuMint> i got a working dpkg install in a backup
[01:45] <LuMint> it's an IMG i can mount as loop device.
[01:46] <LuMint> the question is only, what do i have to copy
[01:49] <JFox762> urgodfather:
[01:49] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Latest updates ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[01:49] <JFox762> are kernel files huge?
[01:49] <JFox762> im on a slow connection
[01:49] <JFox762> 500kbps
[01:50] <JFox762> oooofff
[01:50] <JFox762> 125MB!
[01:50] <JFox762> gonna be slow on a 500kbps
[01:51] <JFox762> 30 mins ugh
[01:51] <Bashing-om> JFox762: They are now .. yes .. 235 MB .. last I checked .
[01:51] <JFox762> Im at work, and I have to use my wifi hotspot off my phone
[01:51] <JFox762> and I'm throttled since I'm over my 15GB/mo allowance before you get throttled down
[01:52] <JFox762> I wish there was a way to fool my ISP, into thinking that the data was being called from my phone vs my laptop
[01:52] <JFox762> becausee Verizon doesn't necessarily throttle the phone speeds
[01:52] <JFox762> just the hotspot speeds, if the hotspot went over 15gbs
[01:53] <JFox762> if you go over 22gbs, on the phone's data... they throttle "as needed"
[01:53] <JFox762> anything over 15gb on the hotspot... ets absolutely throttled to basically 3G speeds
[01:53] <urgodfather> 15 gb is a lot
[01:53] <JFox762> lol not for my uses
[01:54] <JFox762> My job is ... very boring
[01:54] <urgodfather> lol
[01:54] <JFox762> so I watch a lot of netflix while at work
[01:54] <urgodfather> thats why
[01:54] <JFox762> yes
[01:54] <JFox762> i know lol
[01:55] <urgodfather> use your phone to watch it. not your computer. also, consider a different way such as plex where you can download the video to your phone for offline use.
[01:55] <JFox762> I could use transmission to download stuff
[01:55] <urgodfather> you dont have wifi at work?
[01:55] <RoscoePColtrane> and what does any of that have to do with a ubuntu issue?
[01:55] <JFox762> no
[01:55] <JFox762> they have wifi here
[01:56] <urgodfather> RoscoePColtrane, your right
[01:56] <JFox762> but it is behind a login
[01:56] <JFox762> my ISP has a lot of public wifi hotspots...
[01:56] <JFox762> and I used to be able to access them
[01:57] <JFox762> with my account ID and password... but recently they changed it so that only people with a much higher premium package can get it
[01:57] <JFox762> can access it *
[01:57] <urgodfather> well, jfox762 like i suggested you can either try a kernel upgrade or opensource variant of the intel drivers. both have records of resolving the issue
[01:57] <JFox762> which is really cheap on their part
[01:57] <JFox762> if I use an open source variant of the intel driver
[01:58] <JFox762> can it screw up my system?
[01:59] <urgodfather> theres always a possibliity. generally, no.. but your system isnt the same as mine, or as anyone elses.
[01:59] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Intel graphics are in the kernel and are open source . bleeding edge for some cards on a PPA .
[02:04] <urgodfather> jfox762 if you would rather try just gfx, here https://www.techzim.co.zw/2017/06/tuning-intel-graphics-card-ubuntu-16-04/
[02:04] <urgodfather> on that note im out
[02:10] <JFox762> :(
[02:13] <eelstrebor> network manager doesn't show any cipher keys (i.e. AES-256-CBC) for openvpn - what could cause this?
[02:23] <eelstrebor> i must have messed something up - openssl is installed and openssl --cipher shows keys but nothing in the networkmanager openvpn dropdown box
[02:24] <eelstrebor> i tried a re-install of all the networkmanager and openssl packages but still no-joy
[02:26] <eelstrebor> i even tried a total package reinstall that took a couple of hours - next stop, a fresh install - that will take a few hours to get a working server again
[02:27] <eelstrebor> unless someone has a solution - no hits on a web search for this issue
[02:27] <JFox762> what is a kernel freeze?
[02:29] <TJ-> eelstrebor: which Ubuntu versions? are you using network-manager-openvpn-gnome ?
[02:32] <Tecan> is ubuntu going to join the OIN patent system to make linux more legal ?
[02:33] <eelstrebor> TJ-, bionic and network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[02:34] <JFox762> clear
[02:34] <JFox762> oops
[02:37] <JFox762> hey
[02:37] <JFox762> so ...
[02:38] <JFox762> How do I install drivers for Intel HD4000
[02:39] <TJ-> JFox762: already installed
[02:41] <JFox762> Oh
[02:41] <JFox762> so how do I get DX11 on linux?
[02:42] <JFox762> Im trying to get a game to run via Proton Compatability tool on Steam
[02:42] <JFox762> and it comes up with this error message.
[02:43] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/sWcrvYV8
[02:46] <coz_> JFox762,  I believe it can be installed via wine-staging, not sure, but read here    https://www.reddit.com/r/wine_gaming/comments/6ysnua/wine_staging_216_makes_dx11_games_work/
[02:46] <JFox762> coz_: do you know if it will implement with Proton/Steam?
[02:47] <coz_> JFox762,  I honestly don't however
[02:47] <coz_> JFox762, read that post, it may lead to other posts
[02:48] <coz_> JFox762, google dirctx 11 via wine staging steam
[02:48] <coz_> direct
[02:48] <JFox762> coz_:
[02:48] <JFox762> do you know what "run options" i should have?
[02:49] <JFox762> err i mean launch options
[02:49] <coz_> JFox762, again, I don't, I rarely use wine at all
[02:49] <JFox762> this isnt wine
[02:49] <JFox762> it is the Proton COmpatability tool that Steam now includes inside of steam
[02:50] <JFox762> basically it is like wine running in the background
[02:50] <JFox762> of steam
[02:50] <coz_> JFox762, no, but dirextx11 i believe mut be installed via wine
[02:50] <coz_> JFox762, again, I don't use wine or steam , hold on a minute
[02:51] <coz_> JFox762, apparently thhe #steam channel is invite only
[02:51] <coz_> ?(
[02:52] <JFox762> ????
[02:52] <JFox762> WHY?
[02:52] <JFox762> lol
[02:53] <coz_> JFox762, yeah :(  annoying
[02:53] <Colombo> Hi, anyone knows why upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 wants to remove Evolution and other software?
[02:54] <coz_> Colombo, I would assume new versions, or replacement apps
[02:54] <RoscoePColtrane> software applications change when upgrading
[02:55] <Colombo> hmpf, is there way to not do it?
[02:55] <RoscoePColtrane> that's normal and nothing to be concerned about
[02:55] <Colombo> well, I like my apps and settings.
[02:56] <Colombo> Is there a way to keep them?
[02:57] <coz_> Colombo, mmm not that I am aware of off hand.. and some may not work on the upgraded OS
[02:57] <coz_> even if possible
[02:57] <RoscoePColtrane> besides the obvious way to keep them?
[02:57] <Colombo> coz_: thanks, I guess that i will stay on 18.04 then:/ until I really need to.
[02:58] <Colombo> RoscoePColtrane: what is the "obvious way to keep them"?
[03:18] <JFox762> how do i know if a given PPA is "safe"
[03:18] <JFox762> I.E. not created by a ... malicious person
[03:22] <JFox762> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Requirements
[03:22] <JFox762> I'm following these instructions
[03:22] <JFox762> it tells me to use a certain PPA
[03:22] <JFox762> I assume i should trust it, since that Githubpage was create dby Valve
[03:22] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Bottom line is that you don't . What reputation does the maintainer hold ?
[03:23] <JFox762> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/pkppa
[03:23] <JFox762> That particular ppa
[03:23] <JFox762> was listed on the page as a recommended ppa to add
[03:23] <Bashing-om> !ppa | JFox762
[03:24] <JFox762> brb
[03:30] <JFox762> back
[03:30] <JFox762> what is the casual ubuntu channel?
[03:31] <PhoenyxCullen> !casual
[03:31] <PhoenyxCullen> h mm
[03:32] <Bashing-om> JFox762: #ubuntu-offtopic .
[03:43] <JFox762> i got it to work now!
[03:43] <JFox762> i just didnt have mesa drivers installed
[05:23] <lapion> Hello
[05:26] <lapion> I have a laptop that I have connected the my network through the ethernet port, I do not have the wifi connected, however my modem does see the wifi port, however the router seems to see the wifi card connected "through the ethernet port" does anyone have an idea how this can be ?
[06:10] <Denethr> Hi, I just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04.1 and the login fails after i enter my password (the screen goes black one second, then it goes back to the login screen)
[06:11] <Denethr> the only way I can get it to work is to select "Ubuntu on wayland"
[06:11] <Denethr> any idea what can be the issue?
[06:31] <Triffid_Hunter> Denethr: your session is crashing for some reason. see ~/.xsession-errors
[06:35] <Denethr> Triffid_Hunter, thanks. this is the file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c6BGngY2qt/
[06:36] <Denethr> I can try to google those messages, but do you by chance see anything obvious?
[06:43] <Denethr> I'm suspecting some issue with the nvidia drivers; i'll try to reinstall them
[06:48] <Denethr_> seems to work after puring all the nvidia packages (there were quite a few in broken state...)
[06:52] <Denethr> yep everything is working fine now, thanks
[07:13] <Denethr> removing the right click by default on the trackpad is super confusing
[07:35] <leeyaa> hello
[07:36] <leeyaa> i am trying to install a network hp 2300d printer on ubuntu bionic. so far nothing worked, even official drivers from hp. is there anything special i need to do, so i can make it work?
[07:36] <leeyaa> works fine on xenial
[07:36] <leeyaa> and on trusty
[07:42] <davidka> woot - the jdk11 package seems to actually be 10!
[07:42] <davidka> Package: openjdk-11-jdk
[07:42] <davidka> Architecture: amd64
[07:42] <davidka> Version: 10.0.1+10-3ubuntu1
[07:43] <davidka> openjdk version "10.0.2" 2018-07-17
[07:56] <kbroulik> hi, I wanted to report a bug report against thunderbird on launchpad but whenever I submit it gives me a "timeout error" and because this thing has to be super special and use ajax for no particular reason going back doesnt restore my input, so I lost an elaborate bug report twice to it
[07:58] <kbroulik> is this a known service down time or what's going on?
[08:01] <ducasse> kbroulik: try #launchpad
[08:01] <kbroulik> thanks, will do
[08:03] <cyanide> does dropbox for linux work as well as it works on windows/macos?
[08:03] <cyanide> i've used it on both oses, just not linux. (ive used it with rclone on linux in the past)
[08:03] <cyanide> but i need always-on sync feature of dropbox, not periodic like with rclone
[08:04] <mwsb> I use dropbox on ubuntu, seems to work well. I've never used it on either windows or macos, so I don't know how it compares.
[08:04] <cyanide> @mwsb, so it has the 'tick' icon on every synced file, and uploads any changes you made to other devices instantly?
[08:05] <cyanide> that's pretty much what i'm curious about
[08:06] <mwsb> I don't know what the "tick" icon is, but it seems to update instantly
[08:06] <mwsb> I have an R workshop with a bunch of people, and when I make changes to a file, the changes come across straight away for the other people involved.
[08:11] <cyanide> mwsb, thanks. just what i wanted to hear.
[08:11] <avu> cyanide: the filemanager integration (the "tick icon") depends on the filemanager you use, it works in nautilus at least
[08:12] <cyanide> hmm, guess so. never thought of that.
[08:14] <cyanide> well, so apart from missing out on autocad/inventor, i'm pretty much free to move back to linux. weee
[08:30] <Xard> seems like nautilus type search is very crash happy if you try to search outside home on 18.04
[08:31] <mjkr> I just read "Ubuntu 13.04 added x32 support." @ https://sites.google.com/site/x32abi/ . I would like to know whether Ubuntu offers a full x32-only build?
[08:31] <nisa> Hi. I need help: how to grow a partition to its max. size? I don't want to grow the filesystem, i want to grow the partition! I'm running Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 LTS and I only have a terminal. So i can't use gparted.
[08:31] <mjkr> without amd64/ix86 support at all, just the x32 abi
[08:44] <nisa> Problem solved: sudo growpart /dev/sda 2#
[08:59] <illuminaughtyy> anyone know how you can get command line stuff to show while my computer is booting up?
[08:59] <illuminaughtyy> like dmesg but just showing what's happening
[09:00] <illuminaughtyy> not necessarily to log, just for the a e s t h e t i c
[09:02] <illuminaughtyy> nevermind, it's called verbose mode, I just forgot, I think I figured it out.
[09:02] <cim209> illuminaughtyy, you'd remove quiet splash from boot parameter
[09:17] <zetheroo> how to know which config is currently being used by openvpn?
[09:18] <EriC^^> zetheroo: seems it uses /etc/openvpn/server.conf or client.conf
[09:18] <EriC^^> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openvpn.html.en
[09:19] <zetheroo> EriC^^: yes, but that default directory is empty and yet there is a vpn connection active (tun0)
[09:21] <JimBuntu> zetheroo, maybe check for the /etc/openvpn/server.conf file
[09:21] <JimBuntu> Oh! I see EriC^^  suggested this already
[09:22] <JimBuntu> You could check the process list... something like ps aux | grep -i openvpn
[09:23] <zetheroo> JimBuntu: perfect solution - found the process with the config in the command. Thanks!
[09:23] <JimBuntu> yw
[09:31] <ramsub07> hello. I have ssh access to two servers, A and B. But only one of them could be tunneled from outside(A). the other (B) could only be accessed from A. I am running my code on server B, and would like to use sublime to edit code on server B from my local machine. How do i go about doing that?
[09:32] <Fudge> ssh can liste to multiple ports in /etc/sshd_config search for port 22 and duplicate the entry for another port like 1022
[09:36] <illuminaughtyy> okay, thanks cim209
[09:41] <ramsub07> hello. I have ssh access to two servers, A and B. But only one of them could be tunneled from outside(A). the other (B) could only be accessed from A. I am running my code on server B, and would like to use sublime to edit code on server B from my local machine. How do i go about doing that?
[09:42] <vlt> ramsub07: Ignoring the fact that I'd rather use a local code repository to edit and deploy after testing ... In my ~/.ssh/config I have a "host B" with a line "ProxyCommand ssh A nc -w 1 B 22". Then I can just `ssh B` or `sshfs B`. In newer ssh versions there's a -J option.
[09:43] <ramsub07> vlt: you mean you'd rather use git?
[09:44] <ramsub07> vlt: is there anyway I could browse those files on my nautilus ?
[09:45] <vlt> ramsub07: I wouldn't edit code on the remote server but that was not your question.
[09:45] <vlt> ramsub07: How would you browse the files on host A using nautilus?
[09:46] <vlt> ramsub07: Then do the same just use "B" instead. (sshfs is one option)
[09:47] <ramsub07> vlt: my task is to run simulations, for some edits in the part of the code. I know it'd be cleaner to make different copies of the file and run them using a bash script on the server, but i'd rather have it more interactive to make the debugging easy
[09:56] <zetheroo> I am having no luck starting a vpn connection with 'systemctl start openvpn@digicluster' , whereas with 'openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/digicluster.ovpn' it works perfectly.
[09:57] <vlt> zetheroo: Maybe it expects .conf instead of .ovpn
[09:57] <Peanut> Hi, I'm running 18.04 and since yesterday's apt update, my Thunderbird no longer has calendar integration. "Lightning is incompatible with Thunderbird 60.2.1" Is this a known issue, and what can I do to see my calendar again?
[09:58] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ctdZTrMSKm/
[09:59] <zetheroo> vlt: spot on! Tks
[10:14] <coconut> What happens when i want to remove i.e. firefox, while the installled version is not in repo anymore. Does it still remove all firefox files?
[10:16] <EriC^^> coconut: if you remove it using purge it removes the system configs but your user configs are untouched
[10:17] <coconut> interesting... :)
[10:17] <EriC^^> :)
[10:22] <Jazzy_J> I sometimes think the person that created the trackpad should be drawn and quartered.
[10:49] <kikero> Hi there!
[10:49] <kikero> sudo hangs just after I type in the password and press enter when in Gnome, but it doesn't it I do that from another tty
[10:54] <nisankhindia> kikero: dear friend , what is the output of " sudo -l " , just type this command using your terminal and if there it shows any output on the terminal , let us know ..
[10:57] <nisankhindia> kikero: syslog can also be helpful try to get syslog .. look at inside of /var/log and get te syslog from there
[10:57] <gpunk> he left a while ago :p
[10:57] <nisankhindia> gpunk: :p
[11:08] <nisankhindia> to all of my ubuntu family members what you think about this , https://community.ubuntu.com/t/survey-to-all-users-for-better-ubuntu-development-and-user-experince/8413
[11:11] <JimBuntu> nisankhindia, while a worthy question, not one for the support channel. Please see #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic even
[11:12] <Ool> and perhaps wait for friday :)
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:09] <darutoko> I've installed 18.04 on VM and trying to create anonymous share for windows 7 following this: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-samba-server-share-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[12:10] <darutoko> it workd for dir at Home but when I do the same for dir on mounted device - I get permission denied, what could be the problem?
[12:11] <Ool> perhaps user samba don't have right on it ?
[12:11] <darutoko> anonymous share
[12:12] <darutoko> no user
[12:12] <BluesKaj> set the rw permission for "user"
[12:13] <darutoko> I'm doing chmod 0777 on this dir
[12:13] <darutoko> and result is the same
[12:13] <BluesKaj> 0777?
[12:14] <darutoko> yes
[12:15] <BluesKaj> never seen that. but I'm a home user
[12:19] <ioria> darutoko, try to  chown nobody:nogroup    the mountpoint
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ok octal vs deccimal
[12:20] <BluesKaj> decimal rather
[12:23] <darutoko> ioria, it works now, thank you
[12:23] <Akimb> Hey. 18.10 gets stuck on "Started bpfilter" while booting. Any recommendations what to try to fix this issue? Perhaps this is a known issue for 18.10?
[12:24] <gpunk> Akimb: go to #ubuntu+1
[12:24] <ioria> darutoko, ok
[12:24] <Akimb> gpunk, ok ;)
[12:25] <gpunk> :)
[12:27] <tibyke> moin
[12:27] <tibyke> do you know a way to set *custom* tls-cipher in nm-applet vpn config section?
[12:51] <anchnk> hi, I am running ubuntu 18.04 and I can't figure it out how to span my desktop so that the dual monitor are considered as a single display ?
[12:52] <grr12314> hello. what is a good vnc client for ubuntu? i tried vinagre and it asks for username and password while vnc only has password. i tried xtightvnc (the default candidate for vncviewer on ubuntu) and it does not share clipboard nor allow windows key to be mapped to mac's command key (the server to which i connect is mac)
[12:52] <lotus|NUC> grr12314: be carefull with vnc as its a security flaw
[12:52] <lotus|NUC> !vnc | grr12314
[12:53] <lotus|NUC> grr12314: try a more secure protocol
[13:03] <ryan1> why do tutorials always advice creating a new user when running a service like docker or znc or postgresql
[13:04] <OerHeks> anchnk, that would be easy, systemsettings > displays, top row: 1 single display # gives 1 workspace on 2 displays
[13:07] <anchnk> OerHeks, I think single Display only activate one or the other monitor isn't it ?
[13:07] <mgedmin> grr12314: remmina worksforme, if I can remember how to spell it
[13:08] <OerHeks> anchnk, you didn't try ??
[13:08] <anchnk> I did yes
[13:08] <mgedmin> ryan1: mild isolation; so you don't accidentally mess up the service and so the service can't mess up with your personal data files
[13:10] <OerHeks> anchnk, oh correct, the option you want is in gnome-tweak-tool > workspaces > workspaces span displays
[13:10] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[13:11] <anchnk> OerHeks yeah I activated that as well, indeed it seems to span the workspace, however I would like to be able to have a window that span both monitor when I maximize it
[13:11] <anchnk> that isn't the case by default
[13:12] <MeiR> does someone here use CloudFlare logs API to store access logs locally on their own server?
[13:12] <OerHeks> oh, for app windows i have no clue, span automaticly
[13:49] <cyanide> i have an old amd r9 270x gpu. how are the amd drivers?
[13:50] <cyanide> are things like video decoding supported by the gpu drivers?
[13:50] <lotus|NUC> cyanide: we advice to test your hardware to try a liveusb, working good? => physical install
[13:50] <lotus|NUC> !amd | cyanide
[13:51] <lotus|NUC> cyanide: see also: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[13:52] <lotus|NUC> cyanide: we did not see too much issues on amd graphics yet here on 18.04
[13:52] <cyanide> ok
[13:52] <cyanide> will have a go
[13:57] <Azimoth> Hi, I'll try to keep it short: I installed 18.04 when it was released and ever since the fans run full speed on startup and after 10-20 minutes the laptop just shuts down. My workaround so far was to boot into Win10 first, then reboot into Ubuntu (not shutting down) and everything was fine. Now I tested the Elementary Live image and noticed it did not show this behaviour. I downloaded 18.04.1, put it on a stick and everything was fine ri
[13:57] <Azimoth> ght from the start. Can I "reinstall" 18.04.1 without wiping the old installation? What options to fix this do I have?
[14:02] <OerHeks> Azimoth, run: sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # and you will have 18.04.1 too
[14:03] <Azimoth> OerHeks: I have 18.04.1 installed already, I'm trying to find how my installation differs from what the live image provides...
[14:04] <Azimoth> OerHeks: Or how to fix it without knowing what the reason was :D
[14:04] <multifractal> I'm running gparted from a 16.04 live usb environment. a warning message has just appeared sying "the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 but linux says it is 512 bytes". I can "cancel" or "ignore". What exactly does this mean, and what impact will it have on me? My intention is to erase a rarely used partition to free up space and grow my 16.04 partition into the newly freed space.
[14:07] <multifractal> FYI, regardless of whether i "ignore" or "cancel", Gparted GUI opens up and the partitions appear in the little chart. They all appear to be the correct size and whatnot. The button I want (delete) is there and not greyed out or anything. Should I be OK to proceed?
[14:08] <tomreyn> multifractal: i think it's a bug in gdisk (or the libs it uses) https://askubuntu.com/questions/781223/physical-block-size-is-2048-bytes-but-linux-says-it-is-512-when-formatting-us/781236
[14:08] <tomreyn> i mean gparted
[14:10] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/1589028
[14:12] <tomreyn> multifractal: if i remember correctly (don't blame me!) you can just choose to ignore this situation.
[14:12] <tomreyn> alternatively, you could try to use a different utility, such as parted, fdisk or sgdisk
[14:12] <multifractal> tomreyn: Thanks for checking it out for me. I decided to take the plunge and thankfully it has all worked smoothly. Both my win10 and ubuntu boot happily.
[14:13] <OerHeks> Azimoth, iirc, the installer gives a reinstall option, but whatever you try, backup your data first
[14:14] <tomreyn> multifractal: glad it worked out.
[14:15] <Azimoth> OerHeks: backups, of course, but is the "reinstall" option supposed to only replace system files and leave the rest untouched or is it meant to format everything and start over from scratch?
[14:20] <OerHeks> Azimoth, i am looking for re-install screen pictures, i cannot find one :-(
[14:20] <OerHeks> it should reinstall the system and leave your /home folder untouched
[14:22] <Azimoth> OerHeks: But this would mean to reinstall/configure everything installed... :/ I thought there might be a way to copy something form the sticks boot section into the computers /boot directory that makes this go away, but there are way too many files there to just pick one at randon^^
[14:44] <ChunkzZ> !isitoutyet
[14:45] <ChunkzZ> 18.10 is out?!
[14:45] <lotus|NUC> ChunkzZ: not yet
 Yes, it's out! Party in #ubuntu-release-party :) < bot needs updating. xD
[14:50] <adamretter> I just updated my host (Ubuntu 18.04) and now two of my KVM vm's that were running perfectly fine before won't start up. I looked in the logs in /var/log/libvirt/qemu/ and there are no errors
[14:51] <adamretter> By updated I mean that I ran apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown -r now
[15:01] <Aleric> Hi, can someone help me? I'm trying to add a (personal) patch to libtool. For this I'm following the instructions on http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html
[15:02] <Aleric> This tells me to run 'bzr branch ubuntu:bionic/libtool' at the start.  But when I do that, it tells me I have to tell it first my Launchpad ID.
[15:03] <Aleric> When I go to https://login.launchpad.net/+login I can login with "carlo@alinoe.com" as normal and my password. But when I try to tell bzr about it, I get:
[15:03] <Aleric> sean:/usr/src/debian>bzr launchpad-login carlo@alinoe.com
[15:03] <Aleric> bzr: ERROR: The user name carlo@alinoe.com is not registered on Launchpad.
[15:04] <Aleric> What am I doing wrong? That IS what I use to login there - so why is it telling me it is not registered?
[15:06] <teward> Aleric: your email address and your username may be different.
[15:07] <teward> Aleric: go to your user page on Launchpad, in the URL, look for ~SOMETHING
[15:07] <teward> the 'SOMETHING' is your usernam
[15:07] <teward> use that instead of your email address with the bzr command line
[15:08] <teward> Aleric: if you don't know your username you can't use launchpad-login and email address is typically NOT your username on Launchpad.
[15:09] <teward> Aleric: if this is you, by the way... https://launchpad.net/~carlo-alinoe ... your username is carlo-alinoe
[15:09] <Aleric> I found my user-id after logging in.
[15:09] <Aleric> Yes, thanks :)
[15:09] <Aleric> Now it says I have to upload an ssh key :/ ..hmm.
[15:10] <mas886> Hello there, I need a bit of help formating a SD card, tried gparted, and KDE partition managerand none both of them give me errors while formating
[15:11] <tomreyn> mas886: so they both work fine?
[15:12] <mas886> tomreyn: Maybe I messed up writing there a little bit, iment tgat both programs gave me errors while formating
[15:12] <tomreyn> note that formatting refers to creating / preparing a file system, buzt these are primarily paritioning tools, which read and write to parition tables.
[15:13] <teward> mas886: it'd be great to know the errors you're seeing.
[15:13] <teward> but as tomreyn said, they call other utilities to do the 'formatting' steps, and those may be failing for various reasons
[15:13] <teward> so seeing the errors would help.
[15:13] <mas886> So how couldIdebg the process, the error range I'm gettingis quite variated
[15:14] <tomreyn> mas886: start by providing the first errors they return, and we can walk through it from there.
[15:15] <mas886> Okay, re runing the process
[15:21] <Aleric> Hmm
[15:21] <Aleric> debug1: Skipping ssh-dss key /home/carlo/.ssh/lauchpad_carlo_dsa - not in PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes
[15:22] <Aleric> I just generated it :/
[15:22] <teward> Aleric: you should use RSA keys not DSA keys
[15:22] <teward> and then you need to upload the public key to Launchpad
[15:22] <teward> and then wait up to 15 minutes just to let everything sync
[15:22] <Aleric> It says rsa or dsa.
[15:23] <teward> yes I know what it says, but RSA is typically the 'standard' form to use nowadays
[15:25] <mas886> Now it looks like the formatting process got stuck
[15:31] <Aleric> teward: Is there a way to tell bzr to connect to another host than bazaar.launchpad.net?
[15:31] <mas886> tomreyn teward : I first deleted tlhe two partitions, and then tried to create one and apparently itsaidthat removing them worked fine (which is not true cause the files and partitions are still there,as I can browse though them aswell), then itgave me error on the creating partition process saying: Can't have overlapping partitions
[15:31] <teward> Aleric: no.
[15:32] <Aleric> Ok, I got the authentication working :).
[15:32] <Aleric> Now I get:
[15:32] <Aleric> sean:/usr/src/debian>bzr branch ubuntu:bionic/libtool
[15:32] <Aleric> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu/bionic/libtool/".
[15:33] <Aleric> What I'm trying to do is get the source code of libtool - so that I can add a patch.
[15:34] <Aleric> (still following http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html)
[15:35] <Aleric> Sorry, I never used bzr before - I just installed it. I normally use git.
[15:35] <Aleric> I don't see a bzr clone?
[15:35] <teward> Aleric: bzr was retired in favor of git
[15:36] <Aleric> ...
[15:36] <Aleric> I hate websites with documentation that are just plain wrong :(
[15:36] <teward> Aleric: s/wrong/in the process of being changed/
[15:37] <Aleric> So, how would I get the source of libtool?
[15:37] <teward> Aleric: time to read https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtool and see the 'git clone' commands at the top.
[15:37] <teward> you would then have to check out the specific branch, but I'm not sure where you'd go from there to make changes, upload your own, etc.  as i said, the documentation is still being updated for the very recent massive changeover to git
[15:45] <coconut> How long until 18.10?
[15:45] <blackflow> over nine thousand miliseconds!
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: We are volunteers here, we don't have those answers.
[15:45] <coconut> lol
[15:46] <coconut> that's a very social way of seeing it.
[15:48] <JimBuntu> 18.10 is "expected" to be released tomorrow (depending on your timezone)
[15:49] <Aleric> teward: is quilt still being used to apply patches? debian/patches is still there.
[15:49] <coconut> thnx JimBuntu.
[15:49] <Aleric> Seems a bit silly to use quilt when you're already using git :/
[15:50] <teward> Aleric: yes, quilt is used by debhelper and the package builders to apply packages.
[15:50] <teward> VCS and package builders are 'different' :P
[15:51] <teward> s/apply packages/apply changes outside of the debian directory to the source code of the application/
[16:00] <Aleric> teward: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html also mentions (under 6.2. Adding a New Patch): bzr add .pc/*
[16:00] <Aleric> That seems weird, since .pc isn't in git at all.
[16:01] <Aleric> Isn't it enough to only add debian/patches/lt-gdb.patch (my new patch) and debian/patches/series ?
[16:02] <Aleric> Hmm, my .pc is empty.
[16:03] <Aleric> After 'quilt push -a' it is filled - but it's not OK to add it to git I think.
[16:05] <Aleric> (Nor to bzr before - that seems to be just a bug on the webpage)
[16:06] <teward> Aleric: again, outdated system.
[16:06] <teward> outdated documentation*
[16:12] <mgedmin> isn't ubuntu distributed development transitioning from bzr to git anyway?
[16:13] <Aleric> yes that's what teward is telling me all this time :p
[16:13] <mgedmin> guess who has two thumbs and is not reading the backlog?
[16:16] <teward> mgedmin: you :p
[16:23] <Aleric> How should I build the package now? ... following http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html also fails.
[16:23] <Aleric> sean:/usr/src/ubuntu/libtool>debuild -S -d -us -uc
[16:23] <Aleric> [...]
[16:23] <Aleric> dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../libtool_2.4.6.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}
[16:31] <Aleric> Guess I'll just run DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH="$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)" debian/rules build-arch
[17:11] <tonyt> it is grill time again https://i.imgur.com/EKJbksK.jpg
[17:22] <moopthemighty> hey so if I enable persistance WHILE im in the live OS ... will it save everything ive done or do I have to do this outside the live-usb "container"?
[17:22] <moopthemighty> because i dont want to keep rebooting lol
[17:22] <moopthemighty> what files do i check to make sure its gonna happen?
[17:23] <moopthemighty> and what should those files say?
[17:23] <moopthemighty> i know /etc/mtab should have an entry at the bottom of an overlay of some sort and union or unionfs
[17:24] <moopthemighty> could someone running a live debian based system on usb with persistance cat and post thier /etc/fstab /etc/mtab and boot config files?
[17:24] <moopthemighty> or was it the lack of a newline in my persistance.conf?
[17:26] <tomvolek> anybody here has installed Openstack with Ubuntu ? Like to talk on sideline
[17:34] <tomreyn> tomvolek: try asking your specific question in #ubuntu-server
[17:34] <tomvolek> tx
[17:43] <nicomachus> is there an option somewhere to remove the application icons that Gnome puts in the top-right of each window?
[17:44] <nicomachus> like the poorly-scaled one in the top-right of this terminal window: https://i.imgur.com/XD0C6uZ.png
[17:48] <tomreyn> maybe there's a gnome extension which can hide it.
[17:48] <tomreyn> IIRC gnome tweak tool can move those icons around
[17:48] <nicomachus> I haven't found one yet, but I'll keep looking. Can't seem to find a dconf-editor setting or anthing
[17:48] <nicomachus> anything*
[17:49] <nicomachus> gnome tweak and dconf can both move the close,max,min icons, but I don't see anything for the app icon
[17:50] <tomreyn> oh i got you wrong then, thought you were referring to those.
[17:51] <tomreyn> i dont't actually have that app icon
[17:51] <tomreyn> is this gnome 3?
[17:52] <nicomachus> It only shows on some programs for me. but on the terminal it scales poorly (or not at all) so it looks especially bad.
[17:52] <tomreyn> which terminal emulator is this?
[17:52] <nicomachus> Yea, gnome 3. And it's just gnome-terminal
[17:54] <tomreyn> hmm i dont see that icon on gnome3's gnome-terminal, even with the menu bar hidden
[17:55] <nicomachus> the icon comes from Numix-Circle. Yours may be the default icon or something different.
[17:57] <Xard> i hope the patched nautilus lands up to 18.04 as the crashing on search is quite annoying feature to have considering that the search fires up now just by typing
[17:59] <tomreyn> nicomachus: yes, probably default https://i.imgur.com/AmmvgOz.png
[18:00] <nicomachus> oh yea, that's very default. :)
[18:01] <ericek111> I've found a bug in caja, not sure if applies to nautilus. Sometimes, when working with cards and moving files around, the usual, my caja gets kinda stuck. It looks like nothing happened, I can open files and browse the directories, but when I try to create/rename/delete a folder or a file, it thinks I'm on a different tab and does the action to the selected entry on its respective tab. Like if the selection was stuck. Restarting
[18:01] <ericek111> caja helps. Last time it's happened, I closed the tab which it was stuck on and after pressing F2 (rename) it crashed completely. Does the same happen in nautilus?
[18:02] <ericek111> yikes, that was rather extensive. Sorry, not sorry. :D :)
[18:02] <tomreyn> i have a couple extensions installed already and thus somehow lost some of the snap to screen edge functionality. i can only snap to left or right, no longer top/bottom left or top/bottom right
[18:02] <dury> hi there channel :-)
[18:02] <nicomachus> that seems unusual, tomreyn
[18:03] <tomreyn> nicomachus: i assume it's a side effect of one of those extensions...
[18:04] <dury>  
[18:05] <tomreyn> https://i.imgur.com/SbMCAOO.png is the ones i have
[18:05] <dury> sorry
[18:09] <nicomachus> tomreyn: can't find any extensions for that. Surely there's a setting somewhere... or some config file I can modify
[18:11] <tomreyn> nicomachus: maybe try asking in a gnome channel or in #ubuntu-desktop
[18:16] <dury> got this sony vaio vgn-bz11en... did install beaver 64 bits...installation procedure was ok. but after that the device goes like standby I mean the display goes blank unexpectedly, then press any key and display comes up for user pwd. Type pwd and goes ok. after 5 seconds or something goes the same. Is that something to do with the microprcessor fan or tpm in bios, what's your opinion guys?
[18:24] <dury> it gets blocked in booting process, press space bar or enter key..
[18:25] <dury> and again have to type current user pwd
[18:27] <dury> gessss sony vaio vgn-bz11en
[18:28] <dury> is anybody there to give a clue, please?
[18:29] <nicomachus> !patience | dury
[18:30] <cognition> https://paste.centos.org/view/a347581c#ZzHTWQYT7Pl7VFObkLYsKIe8yMZ2TXvL
[18:32] <cognition> a 700GB disk is seen by df as 1.4TB
[18:36] <ikonia> cognition: you're using centos , this channel is for ubuntu
[18:36] <OerHeks> cognition, no it does not. and what linux is this?
[18:36] <gambl0re> the clock is not showing in the panel. whenever i open the Clock settings and set the time it shows up but when i close the Clock window, the clock will dissapear again. how do i make it so that it stays?
[18:38] <dury> ikonia, what about my issue, what u think ?
[18:39] <ikonia> dury: I've not looked at your issue
[18:39] <dury> ok
[18:41] <OerHeks> dury, maybe it is the same issue, use 'nomodeset'?? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1487383
[18:43] <nicomachus> gambl0re: you may check in dconf-editor and search for "clock", then make sure the correct toggles are on.
[18:52] <dury> OerHeks - Sony Vaio S Series. VPCS117GG is older than sony vaio vgn-bz11en or what?
[18:53] <OerHeks> dury, maybe, but it could be your solution too
[18:53] <OerHeks> hold shift @ boot, press e to edit for this boot only, and try out?
[18:54] <cognition> OerHeks: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[18:54] <dury> I've installed beaver bionic 64bits
[18:55] <dury> in that sony I've mentioned
[18:56] <dury> cognition, better ubuntu 16.04.3 lts in this sony vaio?
[18:57] <cognition> dury? This issue is on the dell platform
[18:58] <dury> cognition, what's the url then?
[19:05] <nicomachus> the manufactureer of your laptop isn't going to matter in 99% of issues, guys.
[19:09] <Sven_vB> is there any benefit of using HTTPS if the connection to the webserver is encrypted with a) IPsec or b) OpenVPN?
[19:10] <Sven_vB> besides being able to send a client cert.
[19:18] <locsmif> Hi all. I lost the use of the proprietary nvidia driver somewhere along the way and I can't get it switched on any more in ubuntu updater, what do I do?
[19:42] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to compile hidclient. for that I needed a bluetooth.h so I installed libbluetooth-dev. which had install conflicts that lead apt to downgrade libbluetooth, I accepted, and since then, "bluetooth.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/libexec/bluetooth/bluetoothd: No such file or directory" … any ideas how to fix it? ideally while still having a bluetooth.h. (the one in the kernel sources was ignored by the makefile s
[19:42] <Sven_vB> o it's probably a wrong one.)
[19:43] <Sven_vB> using xenial
[19:44] <Sven_vB> or is there an easier way to make my notebook act as a bluetooth keyboard?
[19:46] <TJ-> Sven_vB: libbluetooth-dev should Depends: on libbluetoothX (X is some ABI version), so installing -dev should /install/ or leave as-is the (correct) matching installed library/binary packages
[19:46] <TJ-> Sven_vB: what you describe sounds like the system had a mismatch of packages
[19:47] <Sven_vB> TJ-, yeah the version was off by one in the 3rd number (patch probably)
[19:48] <Sven_vB> I'll try compiling the binary in a chroot and copying it out, maybe it works.
[19:52] <Sven_vB> lesson learned: next time apt suggests to downgrad something, I'll cancel and retry in an overlay fs chroot.
[19:54] <sfdebug> does anyone know how can i recover a shift + deleted folder? my file system is ext4..
[19:58] <Sven_vB> sfdebug, power down the machine hard (wall cable) so it has no chance to overwrite the data. then, on another machine, research "disk forensics".
[19:58] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: Might consider ' extundelete ' .
[19:59] <Sven_vB> as for the overwrite protection, maybe a read-only remount will do as well, if that's easier for you. ;)
[20:08] <R13ose> Hi
[20:57] <MWM> Im having trouble with dnsmasq being al;ready bound to port 53. Id like to just remove it but it seems that I cant just remove --purge dnsmasq ... any ideas?
[21:06] <Hamilton> so I want a executable in my path
[21:06] <Hamilton> should i move it to ~/bin or somewhere else?
[21:07] <ericek111> do `echo $PATH`
[21:08] <Hamilton> so it is in .local/bin?
[21:08] <Hamilton> and : is the separator?
[21:08] <ericek111> yep
[21:08] <Hamilton> The app's instructions asked to move it to ~/bin
[21:08] <Hamilton> it is non-standard, no?
[21:08] <ericek111> that's unlikely
[21:09] <ericek111> yep. you can move it to /usr/bin or create a new folder in ~/bin and append that to $PATH
[21:09] <Hamilton> no I'm good with .local
[21:09] <Hamilton> ericek111, thanks man :D
[21:10] <ericek111> you're welcome :) it's usually best to keep your own programs in one place, especially if they're important, so you don't lose them on reinstall.
[21:15] <Hamilton> okay...
[21:15] <Hamilton> still lot to learn about these standard procedures
[21:34] <solarsunburst> Hello, I am using Kubuntu 18.04 and I have a problem with my external hard drive. Somehow it is not mounted automatically, and I can not do it manually either. On Windows it works, so it is not broken. Here is the error message: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qSyvnnVd7g/
[21:35] <solarsunburst> I know it says I should do something on Windows, but I wanted to ask here first.
[21:36] <ericek111> `sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdb1`
[21:37] <solarsunburst> Will it remove my data?
[21:37] <ericek111> no, it will try to repair the partition (e. g. broken journal, header)
[21:38] <ericek111> NTFS is prone to stuff like that. Well, made by Microsoft, can't expect any better.
[21:38] <solarsunburst> Thank you, it worked! :)
[21:38] <ericek111> :] you're welcome
[21:46] <pybert> hi, I'm considering using snap to install docker --- it seems to work fine on my servers
[21:46] <pybert> but Im having second thoughs, if I have investigated this enough
[21:46] <pybert> are there any common downsides to using snap?
[21:46] <pybert> e.g. application performance issues?
[22:13] <urgodfather> Hello hello
[22:22] <Hamilton> urgodfather, hello me compadre
[22:29] <elisa87> hello, can someone please help me with this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1084682/how-to-automatically-re-run-a-process-python-code-that-keeps-crashing-using-ba my process annoyingly keeps crashing every 10-15minutes sometimes even more frequent
[22:31] <ericek111> 1. fix your Python code :D
[22:31] <ericek111> 2. while true; do python3 stuff.py; done
[22:38] <elisa87> ericek111: is there any complication if I use option 2?
[22:43] <ericek111> elisa87, it's dirty, but it works.
[22:43] <ericek111> If I were you, I'd fix the code and make a proper daemon/service instead.
[23:06] <TJ-> elisa87: if you hit a ProtocolError because the other end closed the connection, your code needs to clean up and re-open the connection,not just 'pass'
[23:08] <puff> Good evening.  I'm at the local library, trying to use the wifi.  It gives me a page with a "login to network" button that tries to load wifi.einenetwork.net, and I get "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site."
[23:08] <puff> The staff, of course, barely know what wifi is.  sigh.
[23:12] <puff> Hm, same results under chrome as firefox, slightly more info:  wifi.einetwork.net’s server IP address could not be found.
[23:12] <puff> DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
[23:16] <L00P3X> hello o/ could I ask how to compile https://github.com/sinamas/gambatte ? i did as the readme told but have no clue on how to run this.... please
[23:16] <Sven_vB> trying to undo my libbluetooth downgrade, I discovered I had a bluez from the future. so I downgraded from 5.37-0ubuntu5.2 to 5.37-0ubuntu5.1 which https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/bluez says is the current version, but how could I have gotten the newer one? I didn't modify my PPAs.
[23:29] <TJ-> Sven_vB: "apt-cache policy libbluetooth"
[23:29] <TJ-> !info libbluetooth xenial
[23:29] <TJ-> !info libbluetooth3 xenial
[23:30] <Sven_vB> apt-cache policy only finds 5 and 5.1
[23:47] <urgodfather> hello hello
[23:48] <poltergeese> hi
[23:50] <mustmodify> So, the interwebz says not to panic about the new CVE because it's not actually in use for SSH. But someone must be using it... right?
[23:50] <urgodfather> whats the new cve?
[23:50] <urgodfather> hadnt seen it
[23:50] <mustmodify> https://www.libssh.org/security/advisories/CVE-2018-10933.txt
[23:51]  * urgodfather drops jaw
[23:52] <mustmodify> @urgodfather sure.
[23:52] <urgodfather> thats no bueno
[23:52] <mustmodify> that said, some interwebzians are saying that "vanilla" isn't affected.
[23:52] <mustmodify> that sshd isn't using libssh... but ...
[23:52] <mustmodify> still trying to sort it out.
[23:52] <NerdTheThird> is 18.10 out or later today?
[23:54] <urgodfather> yeah, that is no bueno. interesting approach lol who woulda thunk
[23:54] <mustmodify> So presumably an apt candidate package isn't currently installed?
[23:57] <L00P3X> this maybe isn't the right place to post my question.. but could someone point me somewhere or help me start this https://github.com/sinamas/gambatte ?
[23:57] <hggdh> mustmodify:
[23:58] <mustmodify> @hggdh?
[23:58] <berglh> NerdTheThird: I've written a bash command to watch the download page to be updated
[23:58] <urgodfather> L00P3X did you read the readme?
[23:58] <hggdh> soffy. USN-3795-1 and USN-3796-2. Sorry for the contextlessping
[23:59] <berglh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nHkRhY2nzY/
[23:59] <NerdTheThird> lmao really? that's amazing berglh
[23:59] <hggdh> darn! mustmodify ^
[23:59] <berglh> probably should sleep longer
[23:59] <berglh> i want to seed the torrents