[06:17] <didrocks> good morning
[06:20] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:33] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:37] <acheronuk> is there any .xcf or s.vg of the cuttelefish mascot available, or can be made available?
[06:37] <acheronuk> your ubiquity slideshow usually ships in images-source/ the .xcf of your background with logo, but even that is missing
[06:41]  * duflu searches
[06:44] <didrocks> acheronuk: maybe ask willcooke once around?
[06:45] <didrocks> he's supposed to be in London this week, close to the design team anyway :)
[06:46] <acheronuk> didrocks: thanks. sounds a plan. have even checked git/bzr but no luck
[06:48] <acheronuk> would be nice to be able to do a flavour release banner of a decent quality with the mascot
[07:04] <duflu> I can only find jpegs... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/ubuntu-wallpapers/18.10.2-0ubuntu1/ubuntu-wallpapers_18.10.2.orig.tar.gz
[07:05] <acheronuk> ditto
[08:11] <willcooke> morning
[08:11] <willcooke> jamesh, hihi!  Any joy on the font cache thing?
[08:12] <duflu> Hi willcooke
[08:12] <willcooke> afternoon duflu, how goes?
[08:12] <duflu> willcooke, on a conference call ;)
[08:12] <willcooke> :)
[08:12] <duflu> But good. You, willcooke?
[08:13] <willcooke> so far so good
[08:13] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:13] <jamesh> willcooke: still testing with the daily image.  The move to uuid based cache file naming triggers the same problems as cache file version changes previously
[08:16] <jamesh> willcooke: i.e. upgrading the libfontconfig used in confinement could get it to work fine with cosmic but might just move the problem to bionic
[08:17] <willcooke> jamesh, ah yeah
[08:18] <jamesh> one band-aid solution would be to SRU new fontconfig into the LTS releases, but that's obviously going to have some push back
[08:18] <jamesh> and doesn't help if fontconfig changes it's cache again
[08:21] <willcooke> yeah, sounds like a very temporary solution
[08:21] <willcooke> Bionic is still working "good" though right
[08:21] <willcooke> ?
[08:21] <jamesh> yes.
[08:21] <willcooke> cool
[08:29] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:30] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:30] <clobrano> good morning all 0/
[08:30] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:30] <seb128> hey clobrano
[08:30] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[08:30] <clobrano> hey seb128 :)
[08:30] <didrocks> releasing-mood :)
[08:30] <didrocks> hey clobrano
[08:30] <didrocks> Happy release day !
[08:30] <clobrano> yuhuu, release day :)
[08:48] <acheronuk> didrocks: svg obtained. thanks to you (and Alan Pope on telegram) for suggesting to ask Will
[08:48] <didrocks> great! :)
[08:48] <Laney> acheronuk: could you do a merge proposal for the slideshow so that it's in there for the next upload please?
[08:48] <Laney> also hi
[08:49] <Laney> s/slideshow/wallpapers/?
[08:49] <Laney> wherever it lives
[08:53] <acheronuk> Laney: Will gave me a +junk link to welcome-18.10.xcf for the slideshow, so maybe better for him to do that? For that larger svg, I'm not even sure if that is meant to be anywhere. In past releases I either got one from a bug report where mascot images were attached, or from a ubuntu web page that had the incorporated a svg just after release
[08:53]  * Laney shrugs
[08:54] <Laney> thought you'd be well placed as you are thinking about it right now, but ok
[08:55] <acheronuk> Laney: I could, but am updating release notes, upgrade instructions, etc today with limited time. If there is no MP there in a day or 2 I will gladly do it
[08:57] <Trevinho> Hola!
[08:58] <Laney> moin Trevinho
[08:59] <Trevinho> All ready to shock the world?
[09:01] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:01] <Trevinho> seb128: hi seb
[09:50] <willcooke> duflu, how can I tell if a machine is using synaptics?
[09:50] <duflu> willcooke, I think xinput will show it
[09:51] <willcooke> duflu, tx
[09:51] <duflu> Otherwise, assume yes if using Xorg AND synaptics is installed
[09:52] <duflu> willcooke, correction:  xinput list-props <touchpaddevnum>  will mention "libinput" if present, IIRC
[09:54] <duflu> If you and using Wayland then the answer is no. You will only find xwayland devices there
[09:54] <duflu> If you are*
[09:59] <seb128> grrr
[09:59] <seb128> on a french install, go to g-c-c region, add an english (us) input source
[10:00] <seb128> select it in the shell UI
[10:00] <seb128> style typing in azerty with "en" selected
[10:00] <seb128> it did it on my test machine yesterday, same today on a that new instal
[10:01] <didrocks> unnice
[10:01] <Laney> ze french conspiracy
[10:02] <seb128> I've a systemd-localed error in the journal, "systemd-vconsole-setup.service not found"
[10:03] <seb128> "failed to convert keymap data: No such file or directory"
[10:53] <seb128> bah, the systemd warnings are redherring
[10:53] <seb128> doing sudo apt install gnome-shell from cosmic on a bionic is enough to make the keyboard switch stop working
[10:54] <didrocks> :(
[11:51] <popey> getting reports that steam controllers don't work on 18.10, and the 'fix' is to blacklist the 'new' hid_steam kernel module :S
[11:51] <popey> (asked for a bug report)
[11:52] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1798583
[11:52] <seb128> Trevinho, bug #1745888 unsure why you said it has to do with snaps, I can reproduce with tapping on the nautilus icon in the launcher on the default cosmic install
[11:53] <seb128> popey, it might be a topic for the kernel team?
[11:53] <popey> Yeah, I'll poke them, but figured given steam is a desktoppy thing and our love for Valve, you might be interested :D
[11:53] <seb128> we are interested to see it fixed, we don't own the kernel/have much of a say in what they aredoing though
[11:55] <popey> Sho thang.
[11:56] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, on touch only yes... I meant that also with snaps I had that issue, even with normal interaction
[11:56] <seb128> Trevinho, that sounds like a different bug, that one is about touch screens :)
[11:56] <Trevinho> yep, right... from a first look I though it was same but indeed no
[12:09] <seb128> popey, did you mention that bug on -kernel?
[12:09] <popey> yup
[12:10] <popey> just before you arrived :)
[12:10] <popey> the bug author also found a patch on lkml which I asked them to add to the bug
[12:10] <seb128> right, just saw that
[12:32] <seb128> willcooke, ^ do you know how to get an item on the kernel team backlog? they just auto comment with a stock reply without even reading the bugs, unsure it's going to get anywhere using the standard process
[12:33] <seb128> willcooke, popey, I think we can at least keep an eye on the status of the patch upstream and once it's merge go back to our kernel team asking to pull in the patch for their next update
[12:33] <popey> Sounds reasonable, thanks seb128
[12:34] <seb128> np
[12:34] <Yiguang> :)
[12:34] <popey> Liam (reporter) has updated his article, linking to the bug report. So others affected will at least be able to track progress and 'me too' it.
[14:24] <willcooke> popey, I've added it to my list of things to talk to the kernel team about next week
[14:25] <popey> kk
[17:21] <andyrock> seb128: so fedora is also affected by the keyboard layout issues
[17:26] <andyrock> I know where the issue is
[19:29] <seb128> andyrock, oh, nice! you should enjoy the evening and celebrate cosmic, that can wait tomorrow :)
[19:29] <seb128> andyrock, did you tell garnacho?
[19:30] <andyrock> seb128: yep! waiting for an answer to the proposed fix. I'll send the MP anyway tomorrow
[19:30] <seb128> andyrock, great :) and stop looking at the computer now :p
[19:46] <seb128> kenvandine, I see that you updated fontconfig in the backport ppa yesterday, it was not on 2.13 yet?
[19:46] <kenvandine> no, it was 2.12.  same as was in bionic
[19:46] <kenvandine> that fixed the startup issue on cosmic
[19:47] <kenvandine> without regressing bionic
[19:47] <kenvandine> seb128: back home now?
[19:47] <seb128> k, I though it might the case, which is why I checked the ppa and saw you updated recently
[19:47] <seb128> yes!
[19:47] <kenvandine> great
[19:47] <seb128> it doesn't explain why it was working on some snaps for you in cosmic or why you couldn't reproduce the issue
[19:48] <seb128> still feels like something weird is going on there
[19:48] <kenvandine> well, i must have had a non-uuid cache
[19:48] <kenvandine> if the font didn't have the .uuid file in the directory it would create a checksum based cache file
[19:48] <kenvandine> which the older fontconfig knew about
[19:49] <kenvandine> but it couldn't handle the uuid style
[19:49] <seb128> k, I see
[19:49] <seb128> well, good that it got sorted out :)
[19:49] <kenvandine> my laptop had a font cache with the checksum style files
[19:49] <seb128> did you rebuild all the snaps with the new fontconfig now?
[19:49] <kenvandine> just needed the platform snap
[19:49] <kenvandine> done now
[19:49] <seb128> ah, right
[19:50] <kenvandine> at least for the seeded snaps
[19:50] <kenvandine> other snaps using the backports PPA but not the platform could benefit
[19:50] <seb128> right
[19:51] <seb128> k, good to know that one is resolved :)
[19:51] <seb128> on that note calling it a day, have a nice evening desktopers!
[19:51] <kenvandine> good night!
[19:51] <seb128> thx
[19:52] <seb128> oh, and congrats on cosmic desktopers :)
[19:52] <seb128> see you tomorrow