[00:00] <berglh> so, the sooner I can get the .torrent files the more help I can be; hopefully
[00:01] <L00P3X> urgodfather Yes I did and the program could be already compiled. but I found nothing to start over the terminal so as ther isn't any new application to find
[00:03] <hggdh> mustmodify: most programs link against libssh-4, so updating the library should solve ti
[00:04] <hggdh> and apt-cache rdepends libssh-4 will show them
[00:05] <urgodfather> L00P3X i want to help but this isnt exactly #ubuntu specific. maybe try ##programming
[00:05] <berglh> i should probably break out of that loop :|
[00:05] <L00P3X> urgodfather what I basicali did was lounching the .sh files using bash.. as the readme told.. but after this i don't know further
[00:07] <mustmodify> So, same question. When I do `apt-cache policy libssh-4` it shows that the correct version is the 'candidate', whereas the previous version is 'installed'.
[00:07] <mustmodify> How do I get the candidate to be installed?
[00:07] <L00P3X> urgodfather, and i thank you :) because I realy have no clue on how to lounch this
[00:08] <hggdh> mustmodify: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade show get it done
[00:08] <urgodfather> fyi at a glance it appears to be win specific
[00:08] <mustmodify> full-upgradd!
[00:08] <mustmodify> that seems drastic.
[00:09] <hggdh> why?
[00:09] <mustmodify> wouldn't that update everything?
[00:10] <hggdh> yes, within the same Ubuntu version. You can look at the list of proposed upgrades, and cancel out of it if you want
[00:10] <hggdh> mustmodify: all that will be shown to you are updates due to bug fix, or security (plus kernel ugrades)
[00:16] <apetresc> So what time do new releases usually hit the mirrors? Midnight GMT or just throughout the day tomorrow at an arbitrary time?
[00:17] <hggdh> apetresc: when they are deemed ready, which may happen any time
[00:18] <apetresc> Ah okay, so not at a fixed hour
[00:18] <mustmodify> So why does apt report candidate versions?
[00:18] <mustmodify> Why not just ... install that one?
[00:22] <hggdh> mustmodify: apt upgrade (or apt full-upgrade) *without* the -y parameter will report to you what is new, and ask you to accept/reject
[00:30] <TJ-> apetresc: there's an image respin going on so it will likely be later not sooner
[00:34] <mustmodify> weird, I'm having a hard time finding a list of packages that depend on libssh-4
[00:35] <hggdh> mustmodify: apt-cache rdepends libssh-4
[00:35] <mustmodify> isn't that just locally?
[00:35] <mustmodify> I mean every apt package ever.
[00:40] <hggdh> mustmodify: no, it will show you all packages in the known (to you) repositories, installed or not
[00:40] <mustmodify> right
[00:40] <mustmodify> ok
[00:42] <TJ-> Somebody chasing the CVE there I guess
[00:47] <apetresc> TJ-: good to know, thanks :)
[01:00] <Ntemis> hi need some help, i need to move everything that exist in a lot of folders like /folder/folder2 all to a new folder
[01:01] <Ntemis> in root there are many folders i need to move whats inside those into one
[01:26] <sosheskaz> I just installed Ubuntu, and it keeps freezing (cursor won't respond, needs hard reboot) when I take a window full-screen or remove a window from full-screen.
[01:27] <sosheskaz> Running 18.04. Hoping someone has advice or ideas of where to look.
[01:36] <sosheskaz> Maybe the crashes have to do with running on a 4K monitor?
[01:43] <jasom> I'm having what appears to be xorg crashes on kubuntu; however I don't see any Xorg logs in /var/log, are they in a different place on ubuntu?
[01:45] <lazerlemon> youre all SO FUCKING BLACK
[01:45] <lazerlemon> GOD DAMN
[01:45] <lazerlemon> can I talk about cloverOS here
[01:45] <jasom> oh, my mistake, they are there not sure how I missed them.
[01:47] <lazerlemon> you lazy zulu fuks
[01:47] <eelstrebor> i was using rc.local on 16.04 but i don't see it on 18.04 - so what am i suppose to use now? i used rc.local to start some programs
[01:47] <lazerlemon> get a job?
[01:48] <anym0us3> eelstrebor, read up on using systemctl
[01:51] <jasom> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MyCNhMZK4G/  <- here's an xorg log, doesn't show anything strange.  Only messages in dmesg from around then are apparmor audits of mysqld for akonadi and nvidia-modeset releasing the GPU.
[01:53] <tomreyn> sosheskaz: what's your hardware, ubuntu version?
[01:53] <sosheskaz> It's a custom PC build, 18.04.
[01:54] <sosheskaz> Intel i5, NVIDIA GTX 970, 24GB RAM. I can pull proper specs if needed.
[01:54] <tomreyn> this should be good enough.
[01:54] <tomreyn> probably some nvidia driver issue then.
[01:55] <eelstrebor> anym0us3, that's gonna take awhile - just got my server back up after a fresh re-install so i'm gonna call it a day - or something else
[01:55] <sosheskaz> Yeah, I was afraid of that.
[01:57] <lazerlemon> im impervious to bans/kicks/quiets/etc
[01:57] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: https://askubuntu.com/questions/886620/how-can-i-execute-command-on-startup-rc-local-alternative-on-ubuntu-16-10
[01:57] <lazerlemon> it is good way 2 live
[01:58] <lazerlemon> I fuck bowling pins
[01:59] <sosheskaz> `apt list --installed | grep nvidia` seems to imply nothing is installed
[02:00] <lazerlemon> try typing this
[02:00] <lazerlemon> sudo
[02:00] <tomreyn> sosheskaz: so you're probably using nouveau instead, which may as well cause it.
[02:00] <lazerlemon> budo
[02:00] <lazerlemon> so judo
[02:00] <lazerlemon> wait no
[02:00] <lazerlemon> its sudo budo cludo do judo
[02:00] <lazerlemon> you fuck
[02:01] <sosheskaz> tomeryn: Alright, I'll try installing nvidia then.
[02:01] <lazerlemon> that should paste your file just fine
[02:01] <lazerlemon> LOL "installing nvidia"
[02:01] <lazerlemon> HUAHAHAHAAHAHAH
[02:01] <lazerlemon> yeah lets download SATA
[02:02] <lazerlemon> download a better CPU
[02:02] <anym0us3> /ignore lazerlemon
[02:02] <tomreyn> in case this looser starts getting in the way, just type: /ignore lazerlemon
[02:02] <lazerlemon> you daft cunt
[02:02] <sosheskaz> tomreyn: I stand corrected, ran `ubuntu-drivers devices.
[02:02] <sosheskaz> driver   : nvidia-driver-390 - distro non-free recommended
[02:02] <sosheskaz> driver   : xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - distro free builtin
[02:02] <lazerlemon> loser?
[02:02] <lazerlemon> you mean
[02:02] <lazerlemon> lol
[02:03] <sosheskaz> tbh trolling irc might be one of the saddest things I've ever seen
[02:05] <lazerlemon> IM IMPERVIOUS TO KICK/BAN/QUIETS
[02:05] <tomreyn> sosheskaz: this doesn't seem to indicate which one is in use
[02:05] <lazerlemon> IM SIMPLY UNTOUCHABLE NIGGUH
[02:06] <lazerlemon> IM A SUCCESS CJ I CANT BE TOUCHED
[02:06] <tomreyn> sosheskaz: lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA
[02:08] <sosheskaz> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/5XGvkPCV
[02:08] <lazerlemon> how do I do judo after sudo
[02:08] <lazerlemon> ?
[02:09] <tomreyn> Kernel driver in use: nouveau
[02:09] <tomreyn> + intel i915
[02:09] <sosheskaz> So modprobe out nouveau, see how it does, go from there?
[02:10] <tomreyn> sosheskaz: ^ you can try your luck with the proprietary nvidia drivers, but i'm not going to help debugging them.
[02:10] <tomreyn> *try to
[02:11] <sosheskaz> tomreyn: I'm happy not dealing with them, nouveau is better supported
[02:12] <tomreyn> how do you mean "modprobe out nouveau"? it's already loaded. or do you mean rmmod? this will probably not work if / while X11 is using it.
[02:13] <sosheskaz> I meant modprobe -r.
[02:13] <sosheskaz> Not used to the linux DE world, I'm generally ignorant of x
[02:15] <tomreyn> i see, well then it may succeed
[02:18] <sosheskaz> Switched properly to nouveau, going to try some combination of reproducing and rebooting
[02:28] <sosheskaz> Well, that went poorly
[02:33] <Jonii> A bit weird question: Is there a program that captures all audio and somehow enables you to transform it before it's captured by likes of Discord, Teamspeak, streaming software etc?
[02:34] <Jonii> If making such program is easy enough I could just write one myself, but I'm reeeeeeeeally unfamiliar with how sound systems work on computers
[02:37] <ryuo> Jonii: maybe look into PulseAudio features?
[02:37] <ryuo> it supports a lot for output. maybe input as well.
[02:37] <sosheskaz> tomreyn: The good news is, after switching to nouveau and back, the bug seems to have gone away and everything is running smoothly
[02:37] <sosheskaz> The bad news is I'm typing this from recovery mode
[02:39] <tomreyn> sosheskaz: i can't relaly follow. why are you in recovery mode if everything is running smoothly? why do you say you don't use X but initially said you're shuffling windows around, why do you say you switched to nouveau when you apparently were using nouveau originally?
[02:43] <sosheskaz> It refused to boot without going through recovery mode. But in recovery mode it's running well. I meant I don't usually touch x, so I'm not knowledgeable about it, but I'm setting this box up as a desktop so I'm using it here. And on that last point, I'm not totally sure what's going on. Before I was trying to do things via CLI, but then I found the drivers menu and used that to toggle back and forth.
[02:45] <sosheskaz> I'm going to try rebooting some more and toggling some things one at a time, but I'm going to drop off of IRC. Thanks a lot for your help tomreyn, I've got some idea of where to poke now.
[02:45] <jasom> If anyone at all cares about my Xorg issue I tracked it down: https://www.bountysource.com/issues/50217346-systemd-logind-s-ip-sandbox-breaks-nss-nis-and-suchlike
[02:45] <k_sze[work]> Anybody else having trouble selecting fonts after installing nerd-fonts?
[02:46] <k_sze[work]> I want to use the patched "Noto Mono Nerd Fonts Mono" in GNOME Terminal, but that font is missing from the candidate font list after installing the whole nerd-fonts package. :/
[02:46] <tomreyn> sosheskaz: good luck. note that with nvidia proprietary drivers you may need to use !nomodeset (which is automatically set by recovery)
[02:47] <tomreyn> !nomodeset | sosheskaz
[02:47] <sosheskaz> thanks for the info, I'll keep that in mind.
[03:02] <cyanide> need help. installed on an ssd yesterday, sharing space with a w10 install. grub just couldn't boot into w10.
[03:03] <Irritiable|LT> Windows 10 was installed /first/ on the SSD?
[03:04] <cyanide> yes, a while ago.
[03:04] <cyanide> efi, so it made 4 partitions (recovery, boot/efi, misc, c:)
[03:04] <tomreyn> cyanide: did you make changes in bios / uefi before you installed ubuntu?
[03:05] <cyanide> well i changed the boot order but that's it
[03:05] <cyanide> to boot from the usb installer
[03:05] <tomreyn> permanently? or did you use a one time boot menu?
[03:06] <cyanide> no i changed it back after the install. but earlier i had "Windows boot manager" selected in the efi/bios config as first boot device
[03:06] <cyanide> i changed it to just the SSD entry as the first boot device
[03:07] <cyanide> that allowed grub to boot, but it couldn't boot windows 10 whatever i did
[03:07] <cyanide> for reference, my /boot is on an ext4 partition
[03:08] <tomreyn> which *.efi files do you have in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ ?
[03:10] <tomreyn> is the 'os-prober' package installed?
[03:10] <cyanide> let me boot into the ubuntu install, be back in five.
[03:12] <tomreyn> also show: efibootmgr -v
[03:18] <jadelclemens> Hey all, I'm trying to install 16.04 LTS server in QEMU using virt-manager (libvirt) and it's just going to a black screen after I choose "install ubuntu"
[03:19] <jadelclemens> from the install guide it seems like I should be choosing networking/storage after this option
[03:19] <jadelclemens> in the meantime I'm gonna try Ubuntu Desktop and see if it's any different
[03:20] <k_sze[work]> Does anybody know where I can find the configurations of ibus input methods? e.g. ibus-pinyin
[03:20] <k_sze[work]> given that the graphical ibus preferences is completely dead.
[03:21] <k_sze[work]> (there are questions on askubuntu.com, all complaining that the preferences window won't show when you select it from the ibus menu)
[03:21] <jadelclemens> Ubuntu desktop install is indeed different, it boots to the liveCD graphical interface with the install program open
[03:21] <k_sze[work]> the root of the problem seems to be python-ibus missing from newer releases.
[03:21] <jadelclemens> server is still blacked out
[03:24] <KingPapu> UBUNTU forever
[03:33] <cfhowlett> !ping
[03:44] <someone_> Hi, I have this process "QtWebProcess" running on my Kubuntu with startup, What is this and for what ?
[03:55] <jadelclemens> Thanks for the help folks!
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:12] <KingPapu> Good afternoon Lord LotusPsychje
[04:12] <KingPapu> How are you on this fine day?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> all good thank you KingPapu
[05:42] <NickBusey> I edited my /etc/systemd/resolved.conf file to change `#DNSStubListener=yes` to `DNSStubListener=no` in an attempt to clear port 53 so I could enable pihole. I rebooted, and not only is port 53 still occupied, but I can't ping things anymore, it attempts to use IPv6 and fails. I tried changing the value back to yes, rebooted, same thing. Any ideas
[05:42] <NickBusey> how to fix this?
[05:44] <NickBusey> 18.04.1 if that's important
[06:10] <Irritiable|LT> NickBusey: Delete the file; it will rewrite itself.
[06:10] <Irritiable|LT> "Defaults can be restored by simply deleting this file."
[07:14] <friendlyguy> morning! could someone please explain to me why netplan is "the way to go"? to me it looks like its just over complicating things
[07:15] <lotus|NUC> !netplan | friendlyguy
[07:15] <friendlyguy> yup and i dug through that
[07:15] <friendlyguy> as is said it looks like its overcomplicating things
[07:16] <friendlyguy> i was searching for something like "the benefit of using netplan" but i couldnt find one
[07:20] <lotus|NUC> friendlyguy: here's one tutorial you can have an idea a little bit: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-restart-network-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[07:21] <friendlyguy> i get its a additional abstraction layer that can help if one wants to setup a crazy architecture but to choose it for the majority... thats a -1 from my side.
[07:21] <lotus|NUC> friendlyguy: feel free to discuss that @ #ubuntu-discuss
[07:25] <coraxx> Ubuntu 18.04 uses openjdk-11-jdk as its default Java JDK ... but I'm having trouble developing with JavaSE-1.8 in eclipse even if i specify it (seems like the javajdk package no longer ships with some of the packages) ...what do I do ?
[07:27] <uros> hi guys, i have a problem with using ppa, "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/ppa could not be found."
[07:28] <lotus|NUC> uros: we dont support external ppa's here mate, try to stick to the ubuntu official repos
[07:29] <coraxx> uros: did you add a repository with https ?
[07:29] <uros> Oh, i see. :) Is there a way to get NodeJS v10 from the official repos?
[07:30] <lotus|NUC> coraxx: can this help in any way? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-java-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[07:32] <geirha> uros: install it manually in your homedir for doing development. For running it in production, use docker. Installing it via apt just gets messier
[07:33] <uros> geirha: great idea. will do that, thanks :)
[07:33] <coraxx> lotus|NUC: yes ...the page does give instructions to "downgrade" an openjdk-jdk package.  However I'm looking for a solution where I can develop i both environments (without reinstalling/deinstalling a package for ever time I switch between project)
[07:34] <coraxx> *i=in
[07:37] <BlackDalek> how do I make the screen reader read text inside a PDF open in Document Viewer? It only reads the title of the window and is supposed to read highlighted text inthe PDF itself, but nothing is happening?
[07:37] <BlackDalek> is screen reader for ubuntu broken for PDF reading?
[07:38] <lotus|NUC> BlackDalek: if you find a !bug in ubuntu, please create a report
[07:39] <BlackDalek> ok. problem is not confined to PDF documents. it is ANY highlighted text in any application. It won't read highlighted text. Am I missing something is there some button I need to press to get it to read highlighted text?
[07:42] <friendlyguy> lotus|NUC: thanks
[08:57] <gbear14275> if I just change the netmask from 255.255.255.0 to 255.255.0.0 I should be able to connect to websites on diferent 3rd octets from me right?  e.g. 192.168.1.23 can connect to 192.168.10.45
[08:57] <gbear14275> nvm
[08:57] <gbear14275> ignore that
[09:02] <Dbugger> Is it possible to make a VPN work with a list of specific hosts?
[09:39] <vlt> Hello. Some of our Thunderbird users had the "lightning" calendar plugin installed manually which doesn't work anymore after the latest apt update to Thunderbird 60.2.1 (#1797945). No problem for the users using the system-wide installed xul-ext-lightning. What is a safe way to remove the user installed plugins but keeping their calendar data?
[09:39] <vlt> #1797945 refers to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1797945
[09:44] <TheGrumpyScot> I've got an rsync problem where it hangs randomly on select(). Specifying --timeout does not help; -- full command is `rsync -avvvz --delete --links --perms --owner --group --times --stats -e 'ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null' --log-file=rsync.log --exclude-from=exclude.txt --timeout=600 user@host:/folder/ /folder/` .. Permissions are not an issue here. Any suggestions ?
[10:02] <juniour> hi
[10:14] <ppf> !info java
[10:14] <ppf> what's the Java version in bionic? 10 or still 9?
[10:14] <ppf> !info openjdk
[10:15] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: with UserKnownHostsFile opt, does it ask you to confirm the remote key (it should)?
[10:15] <ppf> packages.ubuntu.com isn't reachable here...
[10:16] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: No; this is an operation that we've run successfully for years from different boxes with the same rack; all ssh keys are fully setup correctly
[10:19] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: in that case, with all else constant, the only variable is the network / connection, no?
[10:19] <ppf> !info default-jre
[10:20] <ppf> !info openjdk-11-jre-headless
[10:21] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: well as it hangs on a select statement that would seem a valid deduction however a) there are plenty of free ephemeral ports; b) there are other communication protocols between the two boxes (tested with and without) and c) this is a fresh install of the OS.
[10:22] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: if you added -v to ssh options, where's that logged? stdout or rsync.log ?
[10:22] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: or in other words, did you check with -v to ssh opts?
[10:23] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: honestly not sure; I'll try that and see what the result is
[10:32] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: unfortunately -v produces no discernable output outside of a line in auth.log as expected
[10:34] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: and using the same options, you can connect via ssh directly?
[10:34] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: oddly, I run multiple rsyncs on this setup; only this one (which is the main backup) fails - the rest operate on small folders without issue
[10:34] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: also, anotehr less obvious thing, is there rsync on the other end? it should be installed there too
[10:37] <ChunkzZ> !isitoutyet
[10:37] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: rsync is installed across the board on all these boxes; though some are older than others so the versions will differ.
[10:38] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: and stripping the ssh potions of the command yields the same result - a hang after a random time on select()
[10:42] <mgedmin> isn't select() essentially how programs like rsync wait for incoming network traffic?
[10:42] <mgedmin> maybe it's a network problem
[10:43] <TheGrumpyScot> mgedmin: we considered that, however this is only one of many rsyncs that communicate with other boxes in the rack; therefore we are confident is clearing network from the list of possibles.
[10:47] <coconut> !noitisnotoutyet
[10:50] <[diablo]> afternoon guys... sorry , possibly a much asked Q ... what time would we expect to see the ISO's for 18.10 out please?
[10:50] <mgedmin> TheGrumpyScot: when the hang occurs, can you see a rsync process on the remote machine?  is it doing anything?  (strace could be helpful)
[10:51] <TheGrumpyScot> mgedmin: Yes, the process is there; all see if I can grab a strace -- -p <pid> sufficient ?
[10:51] <mgedmin> should be, I think
[10:52] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: can you connect via ssh directly?
[10:53] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: yes
[10:53] <coconut> [diablo]: in ubuntu wiki is only a date given without hours. And that's probably what all of us know here.
[10:55] <mgedmin> MTU problems might mean interactive ssh works fine but bulk file transfers don't, but this is probably not the case here given all the other information
[10:55] <OerHeks> [diablo], wait for it in #ubuntu-release-party
[10:55] <TheGrumpyScot> mgedmin: strace yields ``select(8, [], [7], [], {tv_sec=35, tv_usec=794584}`` on the client, (the one instigating the command) and ``select(1, [0], [], [0], {tv_sec=23, tv_usec=821900}`` on the server
[10:55] <[diablo]> hi OerHeks
[10:55] <[diablo]> ok
[10:55] <[diablo]> cheers
[10:55] <mgedmin> so both ends are waiting for the other one?
[10:56] <TheGrumpyScot> mgedmin: my understanding of strace while limited ... suggests that is the case yes
[10:56] <mgedmin> TheGrumpyScot: have you tried tcpdump and/or wireshark?
[10:56] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: -e 'ssh -v'   option to rsync should've produced a lot of output to stderr. remove that --log-file, perhaps that's blocking it
[10:57] <TheGrumpyScot> mgedmin: no; those are a bit of my normal reach for "goto" tools
[10:58] <mgedmin> TheGrumpyScot: ok, a quick test to rule out MTU problems would be to try ping between the two machines using large packets, like ping -s 2000
[10:59] <TheGrumpyScot> mgedmin: ping -s 2000 <rmeote> works perfectly
[10:59] <TheGrumpyScot> in both directions in fact
[10:59] <mgedmin> as for tcpdump, if this is indeed a network problem, I would expect to see packet retransmits that don't get acknowledgement, one on end
[10:59] <mgedmin> k, the ping makes network problems unlikely...
[11:00] <mgedmin> so we have here rsync -> ssh -> network -> sshd -> rsync
[11:00] <eeos> hi everybody! How do you package a source package in snap for ubuntu? Is it possible to transform an appimage package into a snap package?
[11:00] <mgedmin> the rsyncs are both waiting
[11:00] <mgedmin> maybe the ssh is failing to pass packets along?
[11:01] <TheGrumpyScot> mgedmin: makes no sense when other rsync's from the same box with simply different exclusions and folders work fine
[11:01] <mgedmin> maybe strace the ssh child of the client rsync?
[11:01] <afancy> Hello, I have a cluster with 1 master node and 16 slave nodes. All the nodes have two network interfaces. The master has a public ip address, and can access the internet. So, how can I make the slave nodes to access the internet? thanks
[11:01] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: -e 'ssh -v' should produce outupt. if it doesn't, your rsync isn't even trying ssh and is somehow broken
[11:01] <mgedmin> yeah, I'm grasping at straws and trying to be systematic in ruling out everything that could possibly not work
[11:02] <mgedmin> afancy: well, you could set up SNAT (aka IP masquerading) on the master node
[11:03] <mgedmin> there used to be an ubuntu package called ipmasq that did that automatically, but it seems it's gone (or I'm misremembering its name)
[11:03] <mgedmin> there should be tutorials on the internet
[11:05] <afancy> mgedmin: can it also done by setting the iptables, e.g. forward ?
[11:05] <blackflow> afancy: the SNAT _is_ via iptables
[11:05] <mgedmin> that's the how
[11:05] <mgedmin> you need one iptables rule to do SNAT and you need to tweak one sysctl to enable IP forwarding in the kernel
[11:07] <afancy>  mgedmin: thanks. Have any examples?
[11:08] <mgedmin> not at hand, which is why I suggested googling for tutorials
[11:09] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: https://node86.com/pastebin/cj11d
[11:10] <mgedmin> huh
[11:10] <afancy> mgedmin: would it also be possible that from the external network to access one of the slave node in my internal network?
[11:11] <afancy> mgedmin: I mean using iptables SNAT
[11:11] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: okay, ssh works, the problem is likely in those rsync options. can you try a simple rsync of a dir?  rsync -vae ssh remote:/path/from/ /local/path/to/   ?
[11:11] <mgedmin> afancy: you'd need DNAT (port forwarding) for that
[11:12] <mgedmin> it's also done using iptables rules in the nat table
[11:12] <afancy> mgeadmin: i see. Sound really great!
[11:12] <mgedmin> TheGrumpyScot: could the server rsync be blocked on reading from disk rather than on waiting for the network?
[11:12] <mgedmin> or maybe the client blocked on writing to disk?
[11:12] <mgedmin> what's fd 7 pointig to on the client rsync?
[11:12] <blackflow> mgedmin: TheGrumpyScot: that'd be my next suggestion, it's taking time to find all the diffs etc...
[11:13] <afancy> mgeadmin: because, i want to use docker to provide service, instead using the cloud platfrom to create VM
[11:13] <mgedmin> the server rsync was waiting for fd 0, which is stdin, which is how sshd passes the network stream to it
[11:15] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: mgedmin: using a simple rsync -avz <remote>:/folder/ /folder/ works; the client is zero disk activity or as next to zero as I can make it outside of system level jobs and me ssh'd into the box. The server; well that's a different matter; it's under a fair bit of load
[11:16] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: so then that combo of options somehow borks it. I'd suggest adding them one by one and see when it starts hanging
[11:18] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: not really an ideal test as these are production level boxes; copying files for instance without the permissions, groups, times etc would mean recopying the whole lot over at a later date - something that from scratch takes several days
[11:18] <mgedmin> if rsync didn't hang it could fix the permissions in place without copying all the data (just checksumming it, or you can even make it assume the contents are the same if the file size matches iirc)
[11:19] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: and as the identical options work for other rsyncs ... I'm not sure what conclusion we could draw from that
[11:19] <adac> Is there a shortcut for 16.04 where I can focus a window and then move it ot a workspace?
[11:19] <adac> *to
[11:19] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: it simply takes time to prepare the list and start syncing? Did you try stracing or otherwise observing the rsync process on the remote side?
[11:20] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: meanwhile, at that scale, I'd wholeheartedly recommend you using zfs or btrfs and its snapshots for moving large backups like that. We have over a terabyte in several milion files, doing backups every 5 minutes. If that was rsync, one run would take halfa day just to find diffs....
[11:20] <RobBurke> Hi guys. I'm about to shrink+copy  my hdd partitions to a new ssd. I was wondering why it is often suggested to use dd for that job, when I just as well can use gparted - or can I? I use gparted anyway for shrinking it to the right size, why not coyping the partitions with it as well?
[11:21] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: starts almost immediately as we are not using any funky options
[11:21] <mgedmin> adac: there are customizable shortcuts for moving the current window to next/prev workspace (and also workspaces 1 through 12); I don't rememeber the default bindings for those actions
[11:21] <adac> mgedmin, ok I see. but there is no default shortcut right?
[11:21] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: oh I agree with the concept -- getting the boss to understand the need however is a whole new kettle of fish
[11:22]  * TheGrumpyScot looks around ... just in case :D
[11:22] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: well there's only so much a tool can do. But, confirm by stracing or otherwise looking into the rsync process on the remote side, what is it doing.
[11:23] <blackflow> TheGrumpyScot: (because rsync -vae ssh ....    will start a rsync process onthe other side too)
[11:23] <TheGrumpyScot> blackflow: yes, though catching the process before it hangs is tricky .. I'll give it a go however
[11:23] <mgedmin> blackflow: if you check backlog you'll see strace showing select() on both rsyncs, one for reading fd 0, one for writing fd 7
[11:25] <blackflow> mgedmin: I didn't catch that. so strace on remote end shows rsync hanging on select too?
[11:25] <TheGrumpyScot> I get the feeling both are waiting for each other ?
[11:25] <eeos> hi everybody! How do you package a source package in snap for ubuntu? Is it possible to transform an appimage package into a snap package?
[11:31] <RobBurke> Is it true that ext4 support for dropbox runs out?
[11:39] <afancy> mgedmin: could  you help me here? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SCnvXKQJsM/
[11:40] <mgedmin> afancy: --to-source needs two -, not one
[11:48] <afancy> mgedmin: thanks! but it still not work after adding this new rule: see https://i.imgur.com/OBAc1ri.png
[11:51] <afancy> mgedmin: 192.38.83.152 is my public ip address in the master node, that can access or be accessed from the external network.
[11:51] <barc0d4> hi
[11:51] <barc0d4> is there a way to boost application startup speed ?
[11:52] <afancy> mgedmin: 192.168.0.1/24 is my internal network
[11:53] <sebsebseb> hi I want to disable suspend in Ubuntu 18.04 so my lap top does not go to sleep,  but it seems actually its not quite so simple as just that. also running unity 7 in it
[11:54] <barc0d4> sebsebseb: you want to do what ?
[11:55] <sebsebseb> barc0d4: I want to stop my lap top from suspending
[11:55] <sebsebseb> thought I had disabled someting, but still did it
[11:57] <TJ-> sebsebseb: what steps have you already taken to disable it?
[11:57] <plm> Hi all
[11:57] <plm> I addedd ppa of python3.7 to install on ubuntu 16.4 'Hit:4 http://ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf/python-3.7/ubuntu xenial InRelease' but python3.7 don't have to install, why?
[11:58] <plm> # apt-cache search python3.7
[11:58] <plm> python3-gdbm - GNU dbm database support for Python 3.x
[11:58] <plm> python3-tk - Tkinter - Writing Tk applications with Python 3.x
[11:58] <plm> There just this ^two packages.
[11:58] <plm> I used this ppa: # apt-cache search python3.7
[11:58] <plm> python3-gdbm - GNU dbm database support for Python 3.x
[11:58] <plm> python3-tk - Tkinter - Writing Tk applications with Python 3.x
[11:58] <plm> sorry
[11:58] <plm> I used this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7/+packages
[11:59] <mgedmin> afancy: have you enabled the ipv4_forwarding sysctl?
[12:00] <sebsebseb> TJ-: settings   and then went to brightness and lock and disaabled two things
[12:01] <barc0d4> sebsebseb: so go to setting >> power option and uncheck suspend
[12:01] <sebsebseb> barc0d4: where is power option ?
[12:01] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I suspect you may need to disable systemd's suspend function too
[12:02] <Irritiable|LT> sebsebseb: XFCE Power Management? :D
[12:02] <sebsebseb> normally I am ok with suspend, but today I would want it disabled
[12:02] <barc0d4> sebsebseb: Setting or system profrencess
[12:02] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I think the power-managment functions of the OS itself (not the GUI) are going to kick in
[12:02] <sebsebseb> I did put in Unity 7 but that still opens up the GNOME 3 settings I belilve
[12:03] <sebsebseb> yes in system settings
[12:03] <sebsebseb> I don't see much
[12:03] <sebsebseb> for this
[12:03] <barc0d4> dont use unity when there is useable DMs out there apt install xfce4
[12:03] <TJ-> plm: did you "sudo apt update" after adding the PPA?
[12:03] <sebsebseb> barc0d4: no I have never been  that keen on XFCE after  many years of Linux useage
[12:04] <plm> TJ-: yes
[12:04] <plm> TJ-: I triyng to remove ppa of 3.6 from sources.list.d and try again
[12:04] <sebsebseb> I got a like d on't turn screne off otopn
[12:04] <sebsebseb> and that'sa bout it
[12:04] <sebsebseb> brightness and ock
[12:05] <barc0d4> sebsebseb: why ? it's too easy to use and config
[12:05] <sebsebseb> barc0d4: I prefereded GNOME 2 back in the day
[12:05] <sebsebseb> Mate is good now as well
[12:05] <sebsebseb> brandonkal: XFCE  just wasn't quite it
[12:05] <TJ-> plm: is this on amd64 architecture? I see the packages in the pool at http://ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf/python-3.7/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python3.7/?C=M;O=D
[12:05] <sebsebseb> !ot | barc0d4
[12:06] <gartral> hey all, got a slight issue here... I was following this guide (https://www.ostechnix.com/create-list-installed-packages-install-later-list-centos-ubuntu/) but at the step to reinstall I'm getting this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YP3TJ4Phj5/ any ideas?
[12:06] <plm> TJ-: is that ARMv7 arch, but 'Hit:4 http://ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf/python-3.7/ubuntu xenial InRelease' say that package is for armhf too, xenial and bionic
[12:06] <sebsebseb> TJ-: system d might be taking an effect yes
[12:06] <barc0d4> it's all my opinion dont be jelus haha
[12:07] <plm> TJ-: look log http://dpaste.com/08Q43DQ
[12:07] <mgedmin> gartral: try apt-get update and then try dpkg --set-sellections again?
[12:07] <sebsebseb> brandonkal: well mine is that XFCE mostly isn't that good !
[12:07] <sebsebseb> for barc0d4
[12:07] <mgedmin> apt-get update should rebuild your /var/lib/dpkg/available
[12:07] <barc0d4> ubottu: i registerd dude
[12:08] <gartral> did with apt, not apt-get...
[12:08] <barc0d4> ubottu: i know you are bot hahah
[12:08] <plm> TJ-: that http://ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf/python-3.7/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python3.7/?C=M;O=D
[12:08] <plm> TJ-: has for armvhf there
[12:08] <gartral> mgedmin: no change
[12:08] <mgedmin> huh, and did apt update complain about anything?  what's in your sources.list?
[12:09] <TJ-> plm: your system will only fetch the release files for the architecture configured on the host, seen by "dpkg --print-architecture" and "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"
[12:09] <gartral> mgedmin: no complaints, sources.list has ubuntu repos all enabled and retroarch
[12:10] <TJ-> plm: I see the amd64 packages there in the PPA's pool
[12:10] <TJ-> plm: what does "apt-cache policy python3.7" report ?
[12:10] <plm> TJ-: root@deskdev-pi:~# apt-cache policy python3.7
[12:10] <plm> N: Unable to locate package python3.7
[12:10] <plm> N: Couldn't find any package by glob 'python3.7'
[12:10] <afancy> mgedmin: thanks for your advice. after set the ipv4 forward, I could succefully to access the internet from the slave nodes. Thanks
[12:10] <plm> N: Couldn't find any package by regex 'python3.7'
[12:11] <vitimiti> Ubuntu's 18.10 look is amazing, just upgraded. Nice job on the UI, holy cow
[12:11] <gartral> mgedmin: if I manually try to install a package, it installs fine
[12:11] <mgedmin> gartral: does apt-cache policy apache2 know about the apache2 package?
[12:11] <plm> TJ-: "dpkg --print-architecture" show 'armv7'
[12:11] <sebsebseb> vitimiti: its not out just yet in final I belive
[12:11] <vitimiti> I just upgraded it :D
[12:11] <ikonia> vitimiti: what is different that's amazing
[12:11] <plm> TJ-: armhf
[12:11] <plm> TJ-: root@deskdev-pi:~# dpkg --print-architecture
[12:11] <plm> armhf
[12:11] <vitimiti> Well, they have changed the theme from the old adwaita, it's flatter and more sober, I just love it
[12:12] <gartral> mgedmin: yep, info of installed (none) and available versions
[12:12] <ikonia> vitimiti: so a minor theme change then
[12:12] <mgedmin> gartral: then I'm out of ideas
[12:12] <vitimiti> A theme change, yes, but I love the theme change
[12:12] <plm> TJ-: anyway, here show that that ppa has for armhf: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7
[12:12] <mgedmin> gartral: unless the new list of errors is shorter and e.g. only lists packages with :i386 in the name?
[12:12] <plm> TJ-: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7/+build/15314634
[12:12] <mgedmin> gartral: and you're on a 64-bit install and haven't enabled multiarch yet?
[12:13]  * sebsebseb might have to switch into GNOME Sell temporially  for today, since the above issue hmm
[12:13] <vitimiti> It is a community theme, actually, the Yuru theme for GTK, I like it
[12:13] <vitimiti> Yaru*
[12:13] <ikonia> vitimiti: so is that not the default ubuntu 18.10 theme ?
[12:13] <gartral> mgedmin: negative, but I haven't enabled multiarch yet
[12:14] <mgedmin> gartral: I mean if it's still complaining about apache2, then multiarch is not your problem
[12:14] <vitimiti> ikonia, yes, it is the default theme, Yaru
[12:14] <sebsebseb> !ot | vitimiti ikonia
[12:14] <gartral> it's *NOT* complaining about apache2.. I can manually install apache2
[12:14] <sebsebseb> ha ha doing that you ikonia but yes
[12:14] <sebsebseb> at you
[12:15] <gartral> mgedmin: ^^^
[12:15] <ikonia> vitimiti: that's interesting so the default theme is now a community theme rather than an ubuntu one
[12:15] <vitimiti> oops
[12:15] <sebsebseb> yes the default theme is a new community theme
[12:15] <sebsebseb> omgubuntu been going on about it for what months
[12:15] <mgedmin> gartral: are you migrating a 32-bit install to 64-bits?  if so simplest to edit the pkglist.txt and remove all :i386 suffixes
[12:16] <TJ-> plm: I see the armhf packages there, and they're in the Packages file too
[12:16] <mgedmin> wait no I see both :i386 and :amd64 in the list, so you had a multiarch system
[12:16] <gartral> mgedmin: negative, migrating to a new HDD... both installs were 64-bit
[12:16] <mgedmin> gartral: does 'dpkg --print-foreign-architectures' print anything on the new install?
[12:17] <gartral> mgedmin: i386
[12:17] <mgedmin> gartral: ok, I'm out of ideas
[12:18] <mgedmin> install the packages you need manually?
[12:18] <mgedmin> treat this as an opportunity for cleaning your system of packages you don't need ;)
[12:18] <gartral> mgedmin: that's 3000 packages
[12:18] <mgedmin> it may be 3000 packages, but most of those are pulled in automatically as dependencies
[12:19] <gartral> I use everything, this is my gaming, workstation, dev box, and AV editing station
[12:19] <mgedmin> yeah, ok
[12:19] <Irritiable|LT> mgedmin: Write me a Python script to walk all known programs and remove all packages of dependencies that are not actively in use! I am dying for storage space (<8 GB free). :(
[12:20] <mgedmin> Irritiable|LT: apt install deborphan?
[12:20] <Irritiable|LT> What is that and I'm assuming *.deb's work fine with Lubuntu? :)
[12:20] <mgedmin> Irritiable|LT: the dpigs package is also useful for finding large things you can maybe think about removing manually
[12:20] <EriC^^> Irritiable|LT: did you try sudo apt-get clean
[12:20] <EriC^^> and autoremove
[12:20] <Irritiable|LT> I was half way being sarcastic. :s
[12:20] <Irritiable|LT> @EriC^^: Yes. I do that daily.
[12:21] <mgedmin> deborphan is a command-line tool that lists installed packages (mostly libraries) that are not dependencies of any other package
[12:21] <EriC^^> get a larger hdd
[12:21]  * Irritiable|LT googles
[12:21] <mgedmin> it was more useful before apt autoremove existed
[12:21] <plm> TJ-: so, what is the problem?
[12:21] <Irritiable|LT> EriC^^: The SSD and RAM are soldered in the laptop. That's out of the question.
[12:21] <Irritiable|LT> ... Yes. I do mean soldered.
[12:21] <mgedmin> dpigs is a command-line tool that lists the top largest packages you have installed
[12:21] <plm> TJ-: armhf info is there, paackages too, but apt don't find it
[12:21] <mgedmin> you might notice something you never use there and remove it
[12:22] <plm> TJ-: maybe a apt bug?
[12:22] <mgedmin> tools like baobab may be useful in freeing disk space: they show you visually what's taking up most space
[12:22] <TJ-> plm: is "apt update" reporting any errors? did you add the PPAs signing key?
[12:23] <TJ-> gartral: do you still have access to the original install to run command on?
[12:24] <OerHeks> plm, that ppa gives no armhf versions https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7/+sourcepub/9070500/+listing-archive-extra
[12:25] <OerHeks> plm,  upgrade to 18.04, that will give python 3.7
[12:25] <plm> TJ-: no errors, here the complete log of 'apt update' http://dpaste.com/3TNBB2B
[12:25] <gartral> TJ-: not without removing about 23 screws, a keyboard plate and a very touchy daughterboard
[12:26] <TJ-> gartral: you can't use it externally and chroot into it?
[12:26] <plm> OerHeks: where in the https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7/+sourcepub/9070500/+listing-archive-extra you see no armhf versions? Becouse amd86 is negative red too.
[12:26] <TJ-> gartral: can you "pastebinit pkglist.txt"
[12:26] <gartral> if I had an external reader, sure... but it's also encrypted and that's got it's own issues when trying to mount on a running system
[12:27] <TJ-> OerHeks: plm there are published packages for armhf 18.04   https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=bionic
[12:27] <plm> OerHeks: I can't upgrade to 18.4 becouse glibc is very new, and I need generate a package with pyinstaller and put on target device armv7 (that don't have python'
[12:27] <gartral> TJ-: sure, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k4PkGRf9yQ/
[12:27] <TJ-> gartral: not really; "cryptsetup open /dev/sdXy crypt_old --type luks" :)
[12:28] <TJ-> gartral: the pkglist looks sane; I was wondering if it had some weirdness/corruption
[12:28] <OerHeks> Tj i see tham, but bionic only
[12:28] <gartral> TJ-: same LVM label on both, I ran into this issue before
[12:28] <mgedmin> gartral: maybe also pastebinit /var/lib/dpkg/available on the system where you're running dpkg --set-selections and get that error
[12:29] <gartral> i'm also running into THIS crap: Failed to fetch http://68.106.66.3:80/data/0087c922c7eeec85/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-8/gcc-8-base_8.2.0-1ubuntu2~18.04_i386.deb  Redirection loop encountered
[12:29] <OerHeks> plm, contact the maintainer of that ppa, or build it yourself?
[12:30] <Irritiable|LT> sudo apt update && apt upgrade && apt dist-upgrade && apt autoremove && apt-get clean && sync
[12:30] <plm> OerHeks: all right, but that ppa page is clear about has python3.7 for armhf
[12:30] <Irritiable|LT> Best chain linked command in all of Linux!
[12:30] <plm> OerHeks: look https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7/+build/15314634
[12:30] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: and that chain will fail; each command needs the "sudo" prefix
[12:30] <OerHeks> plm, that is bionic only
[12:31] <gartral> mgedmin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CpdFrFNCzz/
[12:31] <OerHeks> not xenial
[12:31] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: I am signed in as root. It works fine for me.
[12:31] <plm> OerHeks: ohh
[12:31] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: in which case you don't need the initial "sudo" :)
[12:31] <mgedmin> gartral: no apache2 in there!  pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:31] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: :D
[12:31] <TJ-> plm: you're using xenial? I thought you were on bionic!
[12:31] <Irritiable|LT> PS: Hi. :)
[12:31] <mgedmin> gartral: I think you're missing the 'universe' component in there
[12:31] <plm> OerHeks: the https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.7/+build/15314634 talk about xenial too, So that I was thing all archs for xenial too
[12:32] <gartral> mgedmin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G6Yk8tr65b/
[12:32] <mgedmin> wait no, apache2 is in main
[12:32]  * mgedmin scratches head
[12:32] <plm> TJ-: no, I'm using xenial. Remember that vm with 16.4 working? =D
[12:32] <plm> TJ-: I tried 18.4, but glibc is  very new for my target armv7
[12:32] <ioria> gartral, that ' Redirection loop encountered' is about your ISP ( i think), but it's not fatal
[12:33] <plm> TJ-: SO I'm back to 16.4
[12:33] <gartral> ioria: yes it is.
[12:33] <gartral> ioria: apt dies when it hits that, won't continue
[12:33] <mgedmin> gartral: I was mistaken in my assumptions -- my /var/lib/dpkg/available also doesn't list apache2, because it's already listed in /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:33] <ioria> gartral, i had it tons of times, i guess the issue is somewhere else then
[12:33] <TJ-> plm: ahh, in which case the builds failed for python3.7 for 16.04 in that PPA
[12:33] <mgedmin> also maybe I shouldn't be checking apache2 if you said that one no longer gets complaints
[12:34] <mgedmin> can you pastebin the latest error output from dpkg --set-selections?
[12:34] <gartral> mgedmin: NONE of the packages get complaints *IF* I manually install them!
[12:34] <TJ-> gartral: you could try switching to "apt-transport-tor" because I think your issue could be partially to do with a malicious/corrupting HTTP proxy in the path
[12:35] <mgedmin> apt checks cryptographic signatures, that will catch any malicious MITM proxies
[12:35] <mgedmin> (at worst they can serve outdated mirror contents, but that's why InRelease files have date ranges for validity)
[12:35] <vlt> Hello. We are using Thunderbird with xul-ext-lightning. How can we set the local language?
[12:36] <gartral> mgedmin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bpDqXQKYqm/
[12:36] <plm> TJ-: all right. I think that compile is the only alternative
[12:37] <gartral> argh
[12:38] <gartral> stupid ISP trying to "help"
[12:38] <Dbugger> Does anybody know if it is possible to configure an VPN so that it is only used for certain URLs / hosts
[12:38] <gartral> how di I tell apt to ignore a repo address?
[12:42] <gartral> i swear this ISP is run by a bunch of monkeys... they can't do IPv6 right and thier "in network" repositories are screwball
[12:44] <TJ-> gartral: can you show us "pastebinit <( T="/var/lib/apt/lists/*ubuntu.com*bionic*Packages"; md5sum $T; ls -l $T )"
[12:44] <gartral> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kr7JVFK52f/
[12:45] <vlt> Dbugger: For certain hosts you can use a routing table. For certain URLs you might need to involve a proxy.
[12:46] <vlt> Dbugger: An HTTP proxy, that is.
[12:47] <TJ-> gartral: good news is your local package lists are valid
[12:47] <gartral> TJ-: I figured as much
[12:51] <TJ-> gartral: can you capture a bunch of commands so we can see the various errors? "pastebinit <( sudo apt -o=Debug::Acquire::http=true update )"
[12:52] <Dbugger> vlt, what do you mean "with certains"?
[12:52] <gartral> TJ-: what am I doing with this?
[12:53] <TJ-> gartral: showing is the pastebin of the command
[12:53] <TJ-> s/is/us/
[12:53] <TJ-> gartral: trying to determine if that proxy is contributing to the problem
[12:54] <gartral> TJ-: it's asking for more input
[12:54] <gartral> oh, oops
[12:55] <TJ-> maybe the sudo password! Ctrl+C it then just do "sudo echo" to re-prime the timer, then re-run the command
[12:55] <gartral> yea, I realized that :P
[12:55] <gartral> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XndwJxNdjb/
[12:56] <TJ-> gartral: there's no debug output in that
[12:57] <gartral> TJ-: I ran the cammand as you told it
[12:57] <TJ-> gartral: haha, it's on stderr not stdout! I'll revise the command!
[12:58]  * gartral holds up finger "Not my fault!" :P
[12:58] <TJ-> gartral:  "pastebinit <( sudo apt -o=Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1 )"
[12:59] <gartral> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XQBc7ZZHk2/
[13:00] <vlt> Dbugger: It looks like you're misquoting me. Did I write "with certains"?
[13:01] <Dbugger> vlt, sorry yeah, it was "for certains" :)
[13:01] <TJ-> gartral: that all looks fine; you're not seeing those 'loop' messages now?
[13:02] <gartral> TJ-: haven't tried anything, hold on
[13:03] <TJ-> gartral: whatever apt command you run  add the debug option as shown above
[13:04] <vlt> Dbugger: I can't find that either, but anyways ... The VPN usually cares for (IP) packets to remote hosts. So yes, you can tell your routing table to route packets to *certain* hosts via your VPN connection.
[13:04] <gartral> whoops >.<
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:05] <vlt> Dbugger: If you need filtering based on an URL (which means on the HTTP layer) you could use something like a proxy server to do that.
[13:05] <Dbugger> Well, to exact quote was: "For certain hosts you can use a routing table. For certain URLs you might need to involve a proxy"
[13:06] <Dbugger> it does not need to be a URL, it can be a host
[13:06] <Dbugger> i dont know much about routing tables. Where could I look that up?
[13:08] <TJ-> gartral: I've come up with an alternative way to install those packages. Instead of feeding the list to dpkg, we prune it a bit the feed it to apt. Try this: "sudo apt install $( cat pkglist.txt | grep '[[:space:]]install$' | cut -f 1 | grep -v '^lib' ) "
[13:09] <gartral> TJ-: you are a wizard.
[13:09] <gartral> if that works
[13:09] <vlt> Dbugger: `man ip route` is a good start.
[13:10] <mgedmin> gartral, TJ-: that should work, but it will set all packages as manually installed, breaking apt autoremove a bit :/
[13:10] <Dbugger> vlt, usually "man" gives me more questions than answer :)
[13:10] <mgedmin> maybe you can use apt-mark to copy the manual/automatic status afterwards?
[13:11] <TJ-> mgedmin:  gartral: I know; which was why I pruned out all mention of the libraries. Originally I askes gartral about access to the original system via chroot, because using "debfoster --show-keepers" is a much better way of doing this
[13:13] <TJ-> mgedmin: gartral hopefully most of those packages are core to the ????-desktop package that is already installed so many of those are already installed and the mark status won't be affected
[13:13] <gartral> omg *headdesk*
[13:13] <TJ-> gartral: what have you done?
[13:14] <gartral> TJ-: learned to not blindly copy commands from a web guide
[13:14] <TJ-> gartral: .... go on ... :p
[13:14] <gartral> TJ-: sudo apt-get install $(cat /home/sk/pkglist.txt | awk '{print $1}')
[13:14] <gartral> my username is not "sk"
[13:15] <RobBurke> Hi! Is there any way to create a live DVD out of a running system? I wonder if I really have to downlad and burn an iso for that when I already have the data installed, so to speak
[13:15] <mgedmin> did you forget your own name, gartral?
[13:15] <TJ-> gartral: mgedmin happens to us all one day!
[13:15] <gartral> mgedmin: I forgot to *replace* the placeholder with my own name, DERP
[13:15] <mgedmin> ~ is such a nice shortcut for the home directory
[13:15] <TJ-> I prefer being more explicit with $HOME
[13:15] <mgedmin> ~/pkglist.txt (unless you're su'd to root)
[13:16] <mgedmin> (of course on ubuntu sudo -s doesn't change $HOME so ~ still refers to your non-root /home/... dir
[13:16] <mgedmin> )
[13:16]  * gartral boards the short-bus of shame 
[13:17]  * mgedmin runs after gartral with the complimentary Useless Use Of Cat Award
[13:17] <mgedmin> (do people still hand those out?  I had mine all dusty in the corner of a drawer)
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> RobBurke: You can make backups of your system, post install that you could use to image other machines. You could build your own Live Disk, however that is outside the scope of this help channel. If you're looking to reduce the number of disks you burn, you can look into booting from USB. Another option is to download the mini.iso which installs Ubuntu, using the online package repos to obtain the latest versions of
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> applications as they're being installed.
[13:22] <RobBurke> pragmaticenigma, thanks, but I'm searching for a non-specific live dvd for things like repairing grub, gparted stuff etc. Something you would get when you download and burn the regular iso. But without downloading an iso beforehand
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> RobBurke: That doesn't make any sense
[13:24] <RobBurke> pragmaticenigma, why is that?
[13:24] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: not sure if you can do that as such, but.  you could havee a persistent usb install
[13:24] <sebsebseb> wrongo ne
[13:24] <sebsebseb> RobBurke:
[13:24] <gartral> mgedmin: I'm more apt for the "Useless Use of 'kill -9' Award"
[13:25] <sebsebseb> RobBurke: you can have a usb with data on it too and programs, not just a live usb
[13:25] <sebsebseb> RobBurke: you can also re master and make your own edited ubuntu iso
[13:25] <TJ-> gartral: are you making progress with installing the packages now?
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> RobBurke: What you said doesn't make any sense to me... You speak of things you get from the ISO, and then you don't want to download the ISO... huh?
[13:26] <RobBurke> I don't have a (working) usb flash drive (atm) but a dvd lying around. And I also do not need any persistent files but am fine with a permanent solution
[13:27] <gartral> TJ-: clean sailing, yes
[13:27] <RobBurke> pragmaticenigma, exactly. Reason being is that I want to save time and data and storage for the iso
[13:28] <TJ-> gartral: Yay! I get to close 10 pastebins :)
[13:29] <gartral> sorry >.>
[13:29] <sebsebseb> gartral: ha ha noo tj is obviously joing
[13:29] <sebsebseb> joking
[13:29] <gartral> TJ-: thank you for your help
[13:30] <sebsebseb> TJ-: stay here and some more pastebins can open later :D
[13:30] <TJ-> RobBurke: see https://launchpad.net/systemback
[13:31] <TJ-> RobBurke: here's an article showing how to use it: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/create-a-live-system-iso-for-your-ubuntu-based-linux-machines-using-systemback/
[13:32] <RobBurke> TJ-,  Thats pretty cool, cheers!
[13:39] <Richard_Cavell> Guys, I'm getting problems when I run sudo apt-get update because I've included 2 PPAs that are not signed.  How do I mark them as "download anyway", or "ignore lack of signing" ?  https://ideone.com/keNlrC
[13:39] <mgedmin> aren't all ppas always signed, automatically?
[13:40] <mgedmin> sudo apt-key adv --recv-key A2F683C52980AECF and the same for 26318813399A679F should add them to your keyring
[13:41] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: PPAs which aren't signed suggests bad quality, i would not use them.
[13:41] <mgedmin> the URLs of those look like they're not Ubuntu PPAs but rather Debian repositories
[13:41] <mgedmin> and they're signed, you just don't have the keys in your apt keyring
[13:42] <mgedmin> also lol at "...content-available-to-author-only...", nice pastebin
[13:42] <tomreyn> one of those isn't signed, two are missing keys.
[13:42]  * mgedmin doesn't see one that isn't signed, just a "is not signed" message that's a direct consequence of the previous NO_PUBKEY error
[13:47] <Richard_Cavell> mgedmin, https://ideone.com/wmjVMY
[13:48] <Richard_Cavell> Didn't work
[13:48] <mgedmin> yeah, apt-key adv --recv-key ... gpg: no keyserver known (use option --keyserver)
[13:49] <mgedmin> oops
[13:49] <mgedmin> yeah, apt-key adv --recv-key ... --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80
[13:50] <ChunkzZ> !isitoutyet
[13:50] <mgedmin> and since these are not ubuntu PPAs I'm no longer 100% sure the keys will be available from keyserver.ubuntu.com, you might need to use some other gpg keyserver
[13:50] <mgedmin> ideally the documentation that told you what repository URL to add to your sources.list would tell you where to fetch the gpg keys for it too
[13:51] <Richard_Cavell> Is it causing my update to fail entirely?
[13:51] <Richard_Cavell> The two unknown repos are from Oracle VirtualBox and 6809.org asm6809
[13:55] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: if you're referring to https://launchpad.net/~sixxie/+archive/ubuntu/ppa then re-read the instructions provided there on how to enable this PPA.
[13:56] <tomreyn> virtualbox.org also provides instruction son how to use their apt repository, and this includes instruction son how to import the GPG signing key.
[13:58] <Richard_Cavell> tomreyn, thank you I fixed the one from sixxie
[14:00] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: good, now read on at https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads#Debian-basedLinuxdistributions
[14:01] <tomreyn> if you're on 18.04, you'll want to use these lines in the apt repository configuration instead:
[14:01] <tomreyn> deb [arch=amd64] http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic contrib #Virtualbox (Upstream, GPLv2)
[14:01] <tomreyn> deb [arch=amd64] http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic non-free #Virtualbox (Upstream, proprietary license)
[14:02] <tomreyn> (the latter is optional)
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> Richard_Cavell: (cc: tomreyn) personally, I don't recommend the VirtualBox repos... In my experience, they have repeatedly caused kernel issues for me during updates and reboots. I recommend installing the .deb package directly
[14:06] <tomreyn> I haven't experienced such, but i would always ppa-purge before upgrading.
[14:06] <mgedmin> virtualbox from ubuntu repos has alway sufficed for me, but then I don't use it much
[14:06] <mgedmin> (mainly for vagrant)
[14:09] <Richard_Cavell> Okay, I think I've fixed virtualbox and asm6809, but now I have problems with Chrome: https://pastebin.com/9mB5Fnaj
[14:10] <mgedmin> Richard_Cavell: those are warnings, not errors, but you can fix them by removing the 2nd 'deb' line in your google-chrome.list
[14:13] <roler> crap. I started updating to 18.10 and realize it's not out yet?
[14:13] <mgedmin> heh
[14:13] <mgedmin> every time I try to wait until do-release-upgrade will offer me the upgrade without -d on the command line
[14:14] <mgedmin> and every time I run out of patience and run it without the -d (but only after I confirm on IRC that the final release _is_ out)
[14:14] <roler> well, it is RC status, and for them to put on the brakes because of a major issue is very low (imho)
[14:15] <roler> maybe I am just trying to convince myself? :)
[14:15] <mgedmin> would filesystem corruption when you pick 'install alongside' be serious enough?
[14:15] <mgedmin> ofc that doesn't affect upgrades
[14:21] <BluesKaj> mgedmin, a lot depends on your repos location with release updates being current
[14:26] <mgedmin> the release pocket is immutable, so it's either present on a mirror or not present
[14:26] <mgedmin> afaiu
[14:26] <mgedmin> wait no that makes no sense
[14:30] <Richard_Cavell> Hello.  I'm back.  This is the output of sudo-apt-get update for me now:  https://ideone.com/Ws3C8X
[14:30] <Richard_Cavell> Should I be even slightly worried about the Ign next to chrome?
[14:31] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: we dont really support external ppa's here, try to clean them out back to the vanilla ones
[14:31] <lotus|NUC> !sources | Richard_Cavell
[14:32] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: there's even a precise ppa in there, is end of life
[14:32] <Richard_Cavell> oh dear
[14:33] <Richard_Cavell> So what's the preferred method of getting Google Chrome then?
[14:33] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: well chromium is the ubuntu version of chrome actually
[14:34] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: unless you really need specific chrome features?
[14:34] <Richard_Cavell> I'm going to ignore it for now.
[14:35] <lotus|NUC> !ppapurge | Richard_Cavell see also, to cleanup
[14:36] <Richard_Cavell> Thanks for your info, lotus|NUC but I'm exhausted for today and I need to learn more about this.  But it'll have to come later.
[14:36] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: sure mate, any time welcome here
[14:36] <lotus|NUC> Richard_Cavell: after the sources cleanup, sudo apt update again ok
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> lotus|NUC: Richard_Cavell: for future reference though.. IGN means that the repo doesn't report that it has changed since the last request. Therefor apt can safely skip downloading an updated package list from that provider, saving bandwidth and time
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> that should read "the repo reports that is hasn't changed since the lat request"
[14:44] <IniGit> hello
[14:44] <lotus|NUC> IniGit: welcome, how can we help you?
[14:44] <IniGit> Can somebody tell me what is the best AMD graphic card that is supported via free and open source drivers on Ubuntu? Or are generally all new AMD graphic cards supported via open source drivers?
[14:45] <lotus|NUC> !amd | IniGit
[14:46] <IniGit> I will read it, but generally are these new RX cards supported via open source drivers?
[14:47] <transhumanist> hi I am wondering if someone could tell me what package the "play" terminal command is in
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: Some features are not available in the open source drivers or the drivers provided from the manufacture. Your milage may very with obtaining the newest cards on the market.
[14:48] <OerHeks> IniGit, look at https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx for supported cards
[14:48] <IniGit> OerHeks: Thx is this a full list?
[14:48] <IniGit> this AMDGPU-Pro Driver is open source?
[14:49] <OerHeks> that info is in the link given to you earlier, the pro driver is closed source binairy blob
[14:49] <lotus|NUC> see here aswell IniGit https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[14:51] <airking> Hello!  I have a USB ethernet adapter, and I need to use it as a NIC for two separate VM's on the host.  is there a way I can bridge the device to qemu's virtual network?
[14:51] <airking> Qemu doesn't see it as a NIC
[14:51] <Shibe> when will I be able to upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10?
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> Shibe: when it is released. We don't have the offical release time
[14:51] <mgedmin> when it's released
[14:52] <mgedmin> I gather #ubuntu-release-party is the channel to watch if you're waiting for the release
[14:52] <vlt> airking: brctl
[14:53] <mgedmin> also, usually upgrades are enabled a couple of days later, for reasons (let early adopters report upgrade bugs; reduce load on mirrors; pick your own reason)
[14:53] <mgedmin> (you don't have to wait -- you can be an early adopter and run update-manager -d and report the hilarious new bugs the upgrade will inevitably trigger)
[14:54] <IniGit> This Radeon RX Vega Series is not supported?
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: Please don't recommend that... -d switches the machine to the dev release channel
[14:55] <lotus|NUC> IniGit: we advice for testing your hardware to bootup a liveusb ubuntu, works well? +>physical install
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> which means the user will forever be getting unstable updates that haven't been pushed to the stable repos
[14:56] <IniGit> lotus|NUC: I do not own it, I think about what to buy
[14:56] <mgedmin> pragmaticenigma: oh?  I thought it was a one-time-only thing!
[14:56] <IniGit> I want a good AMD card with open source drivers
[14:56] <lotus|NUC> IniGit: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[14:57] <lotus|NUC> hey Wild_Man join the party :p
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: From the man page: "If  using  the latest supported release, upgrade to the development release"
[14:58] <IniGit> lotus|NUC: Does certified mean that there will be open source drivers or just that it is supported via open or closed source drivers?
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: that depends on where you are reading the certification
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: It also means, that the card will work. You may not get all the bells and whistles though
[14:59] <IniGit> pragmaticenigma: What you mean with where you are reading the spec?
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: No... the source of where you found the certification
[15:01] <IniGit> pragmaticenigma: https://certification.ubuntu.com
[15:01] <OerHeks> IniGit, check the ubuntu wiki for supported cards .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver .. or that other amdgpu-pro site
[15:02] <OerHeks> i would not try the latest cards, those take some time
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: That site means that someone has tested that particular card and it was found to "work" ... Again, it doesn't mean all the features of the card are supported by the drivers available
[15:03] <IniGit> pragmaticenigma: WHich cards are considered to be fully supported? Maybe I do not need a cutting edge card
[15:04] <IniGit> I just want it to work with open source drivers and GIMP should work smoothly
[15:04]  * OerHeks wonders why asking/reading here and not on official pages
[15:04] <BluesKaj> cutting edge gpus are just that, and lack of supoport is sketchy
[15:05]  * mgedmin likes intel video for this reason: open source drivers of reasonable quality
[15:05]  * mgedmin is not a gamer
[15:05] <airking> can I bridge an adapter to a bridge?
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: Far as I know... GIMP does not leverage anything special with a graphics card. you can use any graphics card you like and have the same experience.
[15:06] <OerHeks> google-chrome does not support hardware-acceleration, so i agree with mgedmin
[15:06] <BluesKaj> mgedmin, my intel onboard gpu is actually more advanced than a 5 yr old nvidia PCie that I was using on this pc
[15:07] <IniGit> pragmaticenigma: OK thx
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: What you want to make sure is the card will support OpenCL... that enables hardware acceleration features
[15:08] <IniGit> pragmaticenigma: ok
[15:09] <IniGit> The amd site does not mention rx 500 series as supported, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver mentions it as supported
[15:09] <IniGit> which one is true, probably trust the AMD site more?
[15:10] <OerHeks> that amd site is about the amdgpu-PRO
[15:10] <OerHeks> that comes on top of .. wait, just read the !amd factoid
[15:10] <OerHeks> !amd
[15:17] <IniGit> Does this amdgpu driver alsso support GCN 4th gen?
[15:18] <IniGit> I'm askling because it says >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen. in prticular aka GCN 3rd gen
[15:18] <IniGit> because of that I'm not usre
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> !alis list amd
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: You might want to ask that question in #amdgpu
[15:20] <IniGit> ok thx
[15:21] <IniGit> What is btw the difference between the amdgpu and the amdgpu-pro driver?
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: The message earlier had the differences listed in them
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> !amd | IniGit
[15:23]  * OerHeks facepalms
[15:23] <lotus|NUC> IniGit: have you actually read all those links?
[15:24] <lotus|NUC> IniGit: please dont troll with us
[15:26] <ioria> IniGit, amdgpu supports rx 460 - 480 if it's what you're asking
[15:27] <IniGit> I'm reading... but I'm not sure if both are entirely open source or if only the amdgpu is entirely open source
[15:27] <ioria> it is
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> IniGit: The bot just told you... three times now
[15:28] <OerHeks> pro is a binairy blob
[15:28] <IniGit> ah sry right
[15:28] <IniGit> thx
[15:35] <JesperA> Is there a way to add event listeners/observers to the default apps in Ubuntu to get metadata output like app-window size, state (active/inactive/background), position on screen/in workspace etc etc?
[15:42] <elisa87> hi, my conda gets installed in the wrong environment. do you have how I can fix the situation? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1084926/conda-package-installs-in-wrong-environment
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> JesperA: No, there is no general way to capture that information.
[15:43] <JesperA> Ok, thanks, such a shame though but yeah 👍
[15:43] <OerHeks> elisa87, conda is not in out repos, ask in #python or wait for someon e to answer askubuntu?
[15:44] <TJ-> JesperA: how about "xwininfo" ?
[15:45] <OerHeks> .. maybe there is a conda channel on #freenode, i don't know
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: Alis doesn't see any
[15:48] <JesperA> TJ- wow, actually that gave enough information, gotta sharpen my google ninja skills, apparently severely lacking. Thanks
[15:49] <JesperA> Yeah, well, short of not having an event listener but i can iterate through the windows so, problem solved
[15:51] <SuperLag> How do you enter emoji characters on Ubuntu?
[15:51] <TJ-> JesperA: In a shelll just try using tab-complete. Type "x" then press tab and look at the list of possible executables, and then investigate those that sound interesting with "man <name>"
[15:52] <TJ-> JesperA: tab twice of course
[15:52] <TJ-> SuperLag: you'll need the correct font set
[15:52] <OerHeks> is it out?
[15:53] <puxavida> why does 18.10 installer have beavr no background and not the cosmic thingy
[15:53] <TJ-> !info fonts-noto-color-emoji | SuperLag
[15:56] <SuperLag> TJ-: thank you
[16:04] <jacknemrod> Hi, where I can set the /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag to never in bionic ?  On xenial, I wrote it in rc.local
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> jacknemrod: my machine with a minimal install has it set to never already
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> at least I think they are set to never
[16:10] <leonardus> Is there a way to view a list of recently upgraded packages?
[16:10] <jacknemrod> And for whatever else ?
[16:10] <jacknemrod> I will wrote a unit systemd
[16:10] <jacknemrod> write*
[16:10] <jacknemrod> write*
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> leonardus: "grep " install " /var/log/dpkg.log"
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> leonardus: /var/log/dpkg.log is where all apt activity is logged to... I don't know if upgraded packages are highlighted by install or upgrade
[16:13] <coconut> !isitoutyet
[16:14] <oldguy> !isitoutyet
[16:14] <oldguy> sorry - had to try it
[16:15] <coconut> oldguy: it is released ;)
[16:16] <OerHeks> http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.10/
[16:16] <coconut> can the bot be edited by anyone?
[16:17] <tieinv> why is it called live-server ?
[16:17] <OerHeks> No, only by the team
[16:17] <coconut> ok i see
[16:18] <OerHeks> tieinv, it gives a live environment a la desktop iso, to perform some tasks
[16:19] <coconut> desktop torrent snatching now
[16:24] <oldguy> coconut: yes it is - Yeh ;}
[16:29] <lotus|NUC> anyone tested minimal on 18.04 or 18.10 yet from amd64 iso? i cant bypass the 8.6gig warning, trying to install on a 8gig ssd
[16:30] <lotus|NUC> the warning comes right after keyboard layout in setup
[16:32] <OerHeks> lotus|NUC, sounds normal, i guess
[16:33] <lotus|NUC> OerHeks: but whats the purpose of enabling 'minimal' if it cant bypass that warning?
[16:33] <Gazooo> Hey guys, so I have an issue with ubuntu server, after several hours (8-12) my services stop responding (ssh, ftp, plex, etc) and I have to hard restart the machine (it's headless)
[16:33] <lotus|NUC> OerHeks: then the minimal/full should come first right?
[16:33] <elias_a> I am trying to get rid of Chrome extension Signal client and move to native Debian client according to this tutorial: https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007320431-Troubleshooting-Desktop-migration-to-the-new-Signal-Desktop
[16:34] <Gazooo> not entirely sure if it could be a hardware issue, but, what I tested was have a cron job to restart it every couple of hours, and that seems to be running, so now I'm sort of confused on how to debug the underlying issues
[16:34] <elias_a> I cannot find the "Set up with import" menu anywhere.
[16:34] <Gazooo> this was running pretty stable for 5~ years without issue
[16:35] <clackety> Gazooo, what version of ubuntu?
[16:35] <Gazooo> 18.04
[16:35] <Gazooo> let me verify exactly but I think that's the last one I upgraded to
[16:36] <Gazooo> 18.04.1 specifically
[16:36] <OerHeks> Gazooo, run memtest86 to see if you have failing hardware?
[16:36] <Gazooo> difficult currently as it's headless at the moment but I can try to do that, but if hardware was failing so badly, why is a cronjob running fine
[16:37] <Gazooo> I have it restart every 12 hours and it runs, and after restart, works fine again (for, some period of time)
[16:37] <Gazooo> I want to say it goes a good 6-8 hours at least without any issues though
[16:37] <clackety> Gazooo, memory could be the issue, if the system is restarted frequently the problematic addresses may not be used within that time
[16:37] <OerHeks> Gazooo, then don't .. i suspect a ram issue
[16:37] <Gazooo> ok got it
[16:38] <clackety> same with HDD issues
[16:38] <Gazooo> I'll try to connect a monitor in there later today and test for bad memory
[16:38] <clackety> i suspect hardware if it goes belly up entirely - does it even respond to pings?
[16:39] <Gazooo> I think it responds to pings last I saw, but everything else (ssh, etc) refuses connections
[16:39] <Gazooo> but, I have seen a few times, certain services fail in different orders, so ssh might die, but plex might live (but die later)
[16:39] <Gazooo> so not entirely all-or-nothing
[16:40] <trobotham> Gazooo: have you reviewed your logs?
[16:40] <clackety> if I were troubleshooting, I'd put a monitor on it and let the problem happen again and see if I have any terminal on the machine then check logs and such, and try to track down the first failure
[16:41] <Gazooo> trobotham: logs don't really tell me much that I can see, really hard to sift through especially if I have to restart to even access them
[16:41] <elias_a> Yep - monitor on and tail -f /var/log/syslog
[16:41] <Gazooo> I can keep a session open and see
[16:41] <TJ-> Gazooo: do you have a local console to the PC, or is it only network services that are failing?
[16:42] <Gazooo> it's headless so SSH only, but I can change that tonight
[16:42] <trobotham> I've diagnosed freezing issues before via logs, esp if there are null bytes in the logs, you may also want to enable persistant journald
[16:42] <Gazooo> I was thinking of installing something like ELK and metricbeat to index the logs
[16:42] <TJ-> Gazooo: I'd check /var/log/kern.log to see the history when you're had to reboot it, there may be clues
[16:43] <Gazooo> ok, I will keep that in mind, I'll tail the syslog for now and run some tests tonight
[16:43] <Gazooo> maybe sync logs actively somewhere (until it gives up)
[16:46] <TJ-> Gazooo: but you can use journalctl to narrow down what to look for, e.g. "journalctl -p "emerg..warning"  "
[16:52] <craigbass76> Anyone tried reading a man page that was downloaded? I tried groff file.1, but it looks the same as it does in a text editor. I'm trying to get the formatting I'd see in a real man page.
[16:52] <craigbass76> And then send it out to a printer... But I've got the lp part down.
[16:54] <TJ-> craigbass76: man "path/to/file.1"
[16:54] <craigbass76> TJ-, Are you serious? :P
[16:55] <TJ-> craigbass76: totally; I use that within source packages to check the man-pages are correct
[16:56] <craigbass76> That was dumb. I stuck my tongue out at myself. I had no idea...  How would you go about editing one, and getting a real time preview? I was looking for an Atom plugin, but there isn't one yet.
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> craigbass76: when it doubt: "man man" will help
[16:57] <pja> craigbass76: nroff -man | less
[16:57] <pja> craigbass76: IIRC
[16:57] <pja> pass the man file on stdin, or as an argument to nroff.
[16:58] <TJ-> craigbass76: in separate terminal something like "watch -n 5 man path/to/file.1"
[17:03] <Hamilton> hi. how can I get packages for C man pages?
[17:03] <TJ-> Hamilton: which man-page, give an example
[17:04] <Hamilton> for example man strtok
[17:04] <TJ-> Hamilton: you can identify the package with "dpkg -S strtok\.3"
[17:06] <ioria> Hamilton, man 3 strtok
[17:06] <Hamilton> ioria, No manual entry for strtok in section 3
[17:06] <keoegie> hi, i have problem... mount: ewf1: failed to setup loop device: permission denied
[17:07] <ioria> Hamilton, man -k strtok
[17:07] <Hamilton> TJ-, octave-doc: /usr/share/doc/octave/octave.html/XREFstrtok.html
[17:07] <Hamilton> octave-common: /usr/share/octave/4.2.2/m/strings/strtok.m
[17:07] <Hamilton> ioria, strtok: nothing appropriate.
[17:09] <TJ-> Hamilton: if it isn't already installed you can use "apt-file search -x 'man.*strtok' "
[17:09] <TJ-> Hamilton: you'll need to install apt-file package, and do "sudo apt-file update" initially
[17:10] <ioria> Hamilton,  you mean the c function in #strings, right ?
[17:10] <ioria> #string
[17:11] <Hamilton> ioria, hyes
[17:12] <Hamilton> TJ-, doesn't it come default by installing gcc?
[17:13] <TJ-> !info manpages-dev | Hamilton
[17:13] <ioria> Hamilton, cd /usr/include   ; grep  strtok string.h
[17:15] <Hamilton> TJ-, thanks I downloaded it and it worked
[17:16] <RobBurke> Hi guys, I could use some help with my partitions. I copied my whole hdd setup to my ssd using gparted. I then refreshed the UUIDs using tune2fs. I also updated grub and the grub.cfg  to the new UUID's. But my machine is still not loading. From the logs it seems like somewhere there is still something searching for the old UUID  of my root partition. But I don't know what or where...
[17:17] <TJ-> Hamilton: I thought you were asking how to discover man-pages generally, not just which package contained those :D
[17:18] <Hamilton> :0
[17:18] <Hamilton> :D
[17:18] <TJ-> RobBurke: did you update /etc/fstab and possibly /etc/crypttab (if using LUKS)
[17:18] <RobBurke> not that I recall
[17:19] <RobBurke> TJ-:  That ceratinly something I forgot. Thank you
[17:19] <TJ-> RobBurke: did you also rebuild the initramfs ("update-initramfs -u -k all")
[17:20] <RobBurke> TJ-:  nope I didn't. Do I have to chroot to my boot partition for that?
[17:21] <TJ-> RobBurke: in theory that may not be needed. If you're able to edit /etc/fstab I'd try a boot with that done first
[17:21] <TJ-> RobBurke: I presume the system curently drops to a busybox shell prompt in the initramfs?
[17:25] <RobBurke> TJ-:  Right now I'm editing fstab (still have to find out how blkid prints out the swap partitions uuid). After that I have to see whether I have to edit the crypttab. The /home is encrypted for sure, but I do not remember what kind of encryption.
[17:26] <RobBurke> TJ-:  If a busybox shell is the one prompt I get where I can choose between looking into the issue and go on with the boot process via ctrl+d, then yes.
[17:30] <TJ-> RobBurke: right, so you are able to fix it manually to continue booting at that point?
[17:30] <RobBurke> So, I don't have a crypttab in etc, I assume I haven't used LUKS for encryption
[17:30] <TJ-> RobBurke: right, so likely it's using ecryptfs for encrypted home directories, that is /home/$USER/
[17:31] <RobBurke> TJ-:  Yeah, I think. At least I could look into the systemd logs. Right now I always booting into a live system to fix things
[17:32] <RobBurke> TJ-: I see. Does encryptfs need any uuid fixes or does it just run
[17:32] <RobBurke> +?
[17:32] <TJ-> RobBurke: some tips then. If you get to the busybox shell, you can do "cat /proc/cmdline" to check the "root=..." entry, then look for that device, e.g. "blkid" and/or "ls -l /dev/mapper/"
[17:33] <TJ-> RobBurke: ecryptfs is a file-based system, not block. The files are in the regular file-system, stored under /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/
[17:34] <RobBurke> TJ-:   ok. Will try now and reboot. fstab looks fine, maybe thats all it was needed. see you later, hopefully
[17:40] <roler> is it out?!
[17:40] <roler> I see it on the website...
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> !isitoutyet
[17:40] <coconut> roler, yes it is
[17:41] <roler> the website says yes :)
[17:41] <roler> the isitoutyet bot failed me
[17:42] <roler> sucking the bits before everyone else gets in there
[17:43] <brombomb> I ran `sudo pkill pulse` to kill my messaging app "Pulse Messenger" and then all my music stopped and my BT broke.  I know I stopped the pulse audio but I don't know how to restart it.  I've tried rebooting
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> brombomb: check your logs
[17:44] <RobBurke> TJ-, Running my native now. Everything seems fine so far. Cheers for the help!
[17:44] <TJ-> RobBurke: great to hear
[17:45] <TJ-> brombomb: "pulseaudio --start" will do it
[17:46] <RobBurke> is there any way to test whether really everything is fine? Some kind of stress test? Or is booting up without issues already enough?
[17:47] <cncr04s> is there a fix for this yet? https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2018-10933
[17:47] <TJ-> RobBurke: if it boots it sounds fine
[17:48] <TJ-> cncr04s: you're unlikely to be using libssh
[17:49] <cncr04s> running OpenSSH
[17:49] <cncr04s> ports are non standard
[17:50] <TJ-> cncr04s: Nope, libssh doesn't belong to openssh
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> cncr04s: Please take a look at the following article: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/10/bug-in-libssh-makes-it-amazingly-easy-for-hackers-to-gain-root-access/
[17:50] <TJ-> cncr04s: but, CVE-2018-10933 was fixed last Tuesday; check the changelog
[17:50] <TJ-> !info libssh-4
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> In there, it was already reported that it is specific to libssh... and that OpenSSH is not affected
[17:51] <brombomb> tried pulseaudio -start and "nothing" got fixed
[17:51] <brombomb> When I try and play spotify, it just does nothing
[17:51] <TJ-> brombomb: is the process now running "psgrep pulse"
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> brombomb: did you look at your system logs to see if any error messages appear there?
[17:51] <TJ-> brombomb: typo "pgrep pulse"
[17:52] <brombomb> 6 process ids
[17:52] <TJ-> brombomb: so it is runninng then, see more with "ps -efly | grep pulse"
[17:53] <brombomb> looks like it's running
[17:54] <brombomb> Oct 18 11:54:09 rwalsh spotify_spotify.desktop[7500]: ALSA lib conf.c:3750:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf Oct 18 11:54:09 rwalsh spotify_spotify.desktop[7500]: ALSA lib pcm.c:2266:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
[17:54] <brombomb> My BT is also not working as it was before, so I did make some BT changes
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> brombomb: TJ-: looks like an issue with ALSA, not pulse
[17:56] <eelstrebor> anyone know why fstrim gives me an error when using --all or -a option?
[17:56] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: not without more information provided by you
[17:59] <tomreyn> such as: the actual error message, ubuntu version and architecture, info on partitioning and other block device layers and file systems.
[18:03] <eelstrebor> tomreyn, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/WtT5fnHtJh/
[18:04] <eelstrebor> my bad, i didn't need to specify a partition
[18:05] <RobBurke> I thinking about getting a model m keyboard (childhood memories convinced me). Are there any good shortcut replacements for the meta key shortcuts that are really recommendable and quick?
[18:05] <JimBuntu> Ctrl-Esc?
[18:06] <JimBuntu> nvm, I'm either mistaken or it no longer works.
[18:13] <eelstrebor> now for my next question: why does fstrim say it trims all ssd mount points (located on the same ssd) but doesn't actually do so - running fstrim --all and then immediately running it again shows the same number of bytes on /usr and /var trimmed except for / (which shows 0 bytes trimmed after the first run of fstrim)
[18:26] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: you probably have extra block device layers in btween the file system and the physical storage which prevent it (because there is no trim / discard support available or enabled there).
[18:26] <tomreyn> (which is why i asked about other blockdev layers)
[18:44] <Gazooo> RobBurke: caps is common, or get a unicomp unless you're dead set on Model M
[18:44] <fassl> hello, can i somehow disable the radeon driver for a specific device?
[18:45] <damolima> How do I get a custom keyboard layout recognized by `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration`? I can switch to the layout with `setxkbmat -layout` after login, but i'd like to use the layout on the virtual console and disk password prompt too.
[18:50] <fassl> or maybe even tell it to just load for the primary graphics adapter?
[18:51] <Copenhagen_Bram> How do I turn bluetooth on in ubuntu?
[18:52] <Copenhagen_Bram> When I try to run blueman-manager I get an error that says Bluez daemon is not running
[18:55] <n-iCe> hi
[18:56] <Copenhagen_Bram> hi
[18:57] <Copenhagen_Bram> i'm starting to wonder if my laptop doesn't support bluetooth :/
[18:57] <Copenhagen_Bram> bluetoothctl says "No default controller available"
[19:01] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: show us "pastebinit < (lsb_release -r; uname -r; lspci -nn; lsusb; dmesg )"
[19:04] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: oops, I typoed
[19:04] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: show us "pastebinit <( lsb_release -r; uname -r; lspci -nn; lsusb; rfkill list; dmesg )"
[19:07] <Copenhagen_Bram> ok that's a lot of information to dump, I hope there's nothing personal in there
[19:08] <Copenhagen_Bram> eh i'll think about that, but i'm kinda certain that this thing doesn't have the hardware, or isn't able to connect to the hardware
[19:09] <Copenhagen_Bram> did you know this thing once had its own wifi? but it stopped, now i use a usb wifi antenna
[19:09] <cyphase> topic needs to be updated :)
[19:09] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: the lot is just the kernel boot log as it discovers devices
[19:09] <TJ-> s/lot/log/
[19:09] <Copenhagen_Bram> ah
[19:10] <Copenhagen_Bram> > pastebinit
[19:10] <Copenhagen_Bram> that's a funny way to spell nc termbin.com 9999
[19:10] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: pastebinit is a program you can install that automatically collects and posts the info
[19:10] <TJ-> !info pastebinit
[19:11] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: issue the command exactly as I gave it, you do not need to interpret it
[19:14] <Copenhagen_Bram> I don't think that's very good advice...
[19:14] <lotus|NUC> Copenhagen_Bram: when volunteers want to help you please follow the advice
[19:15] <OerHeks> it is just ubuntu version, kernel, lspci list, usb list, surpressed devices and kernel messages, nothing fancy at all
[19:15] <OerHeks> Copenhagen_Bram, what makes you think your machine has bluetooth?
[19:16] <Copenhagen_Bram> Do you mind if I use termbin.com then?
[19:16] <leftyfb> Copenhagen_Bram: if you're saying you had wifi but it's not working anymore, that typically means your bluetooth went with it since they are usually the same chipset
[19:16] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: I was just making it easier for you
[19:16] <Copenhagen_Bram> Ah.
[19:17] <OerHeks> good spot, leftyfb
[19:17] <Copenhagen_Bram> thanks TJ-
[19:18] <Copenhagen_Bram> TJ-: http://termbin.com/ov83
[19:19] <Copenhagen_Bram> I hope you don't mind if I ran "(lsb_release -r; uname -r; lspci -nn; lsusb; rfkill list; dmesg) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[19:21] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: 1st thing I notice is there is an F.48 BIOS for that  model, and your PC is on F.43
[19:22] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: at least according to https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/Compaq-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC-series/5091489/model/5111956
[19:22] <Copenhagen_Bram> What does that mean?
[19:23] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: the BIOS is out of date; newer versions generally mean the manufacturer has fixed bugs
[19:24] <Copenhagen_Bram> Ah. Can I upgrade it without taking this thing apart?
[19:25] <Copenhagen_Bram> Or is that just as hard as putting coreboot or libreboot on it?
[19:26] <Copenhagen_Bram> I just noticed there's a log in dmesg of me plugging in a smartphone
[19:26] <ioria> Copenhagen_Bram, it's a desktop pc , right ?
[19:26] <Copenhagen_Bram> no, laptop
[19:27] <ioria> Copenhagen_Bram, then there 's no wifi
[19:27] <ioria> Copenhagen_Bram, i just see a dongle, correct ?
[19:29] <Copenhagen_Bram> yes
[19:29] <Copenhagen_Bram> it used to have wifi
[19:29] <Copenhagen_Bram> it might even have had bluetooth
[19:29] <ioria> Copenhagen_Bram, and what about your wireless card ?
[19:29] <ioria> Copenhagen_Bram, did you disable it from bios ?
[19:29] <leftyfb> again, if your built in wifi chipset died, then it more likely took the bluetooth with it since they are typically the same chipset
[19:30] <leftyfb> also, that
[19:30] <Copenhagen_Bram> ioria: i will check the bios settings to see if the chip is disabled somehow, next time i reboot
[19:30] <leftyfb> They could just be disabled
[19:30] <ioria> oky
[19:30] <lotus|NUC> yeah or uefi blocked
[19:30] <Copenhagen_Bram> who knows, maybe something weird happened while i was booting from usb
[19:30] <Copenhagen_Bram> uefi blocked?
[19:31] <lotus|NUC> wrong uefi settings can disable devices
[19:31] <Copenhagen_Bram> hrm
[19:33] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: Ok, so the hardware looks to not be found in any way. Have you opened up the memory-module cover and checked the adapter hasn't become displaced?
[19:33] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: the service manual, page 40, lists the modules used in that model (2 have Bluetooth) and shows how to access the WLAN module. http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c02786367
[19:34] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: I've seen these issues fixed many times simply by removing and reseating the module into the slot. That is shown on page 41.
[19:38] <qwefytuoityty> if have 2 OS Windows and Ubuntu-Mate 18 64. Bios load not UEFI. If have 2 OS Windows and Ubuntu-Mate 18 64. Bios load, not UEFI. I have the empty section in Windows. I in Windows from the empty partition create the partition with file system and grub during loading began started showing an error message and it became impossible to load OS. The question when the loader is grub, I not need to change sections in Windows, only in Li
[19:38] <qwefytuoityty> nux. If edit sections of a disk from Windows, Grub will not work?
[19:40] <CarlFK> qwefytuoityty: um.. what's the question?
[19:40] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: Looks like this may be the expected Wifi device as it should be reported by lspci: "07:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)"
[19:40] <qwefytuoityty> If edit sections of a disk from Windows, Grub will not work?
[19:41] <ioria> qwefytuoityty, if you nuke the mbr, well ... yes
[19:42] <qwefytuoityty> If edit partitons of a disk from Windows, Grub will not work?
[19:45] <qwefytuoityty> ioria Where it is openly written in a visible place what so cannot be done.
[19:45] <qwefytuoityty> ?
[19:46] <Copenhagen_Bram> hey qwefytuoityty
[19:46] <qwefytuoityty> it is not possible to know everything
[19:46] <Copenhagen_Bram> calm down, it takes some time for people to reply sometimes
[19:47]  * Copenhagen_Bram glares at #ubuntu for taking an hour or two to address his bluetooth issue
[19:47] <ioria> qwefytuoityty, i guess we're experiencing a language barrier ....
[19:48] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: did you read my recommendations? It's most likely a physical disconnect issue, or BIOS is able to completely disable the PCI WLAN device
[19:48] <TJ-> !ru | qwefytuoityty
[19:49] <Copenhagen_Bram> TJ-: yeah i read your recommendations, i'll try to remember then next time i boot
[19:49] <Copenhagen_Bram> i don't really want to shut down my laptop right now lol
[19:49] <Copenhagen_Bram> if it's physical, i really don't want to take it apart
[19:49] <qwefytuoityty> In uduntu ru for me no answer
[19:50] <Copenhagen_Bram> zdrastvutye qwefytuoityty
[19:52] <qwefytuoityty> if UEFI in Windows no problem with Grub, if edit partitions In Windows?
[19:52] <qwefytuoityty> Copenhagen_Bram RU lang?
[19:53] <qwefytuoityty> if UEFI,in Windows no problem with Grub, if edit partitions In Windows?
[19:53] <qwefytuoityty> Linux+XP
[19:54] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: opening the memory module cover should be really easy, it is designed for users to add/remove the parts there.
[19:55] <Copenhagen_Bram> qwefytuoityty: What program in Windows did you use to edit the partitions?
[19:56] <Copenhagen_Bram> Also, cxu vi parolas esperanton?
[19:56] <qwefytuoityty> MiniTool Partition Wizard
[19:56] <coconut> f
[19:56] <coconut> oops
[19:57] <Copenhagen_Bram> qwefytuoityty: Perhaps this partition tool is breaking grub. Try gparted or any other open source partition editor
[19:57] <qwefytuoityty> i think program for edit partition does not matter
[19:58] <qwefytuoityty> in windows
[19:58] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: is there an LED lit up in the F12 key? If so, what colour?
[19:58] <Copenhagen_Bram> TJ-: red
[19:58] <Copenhagen_Bram> doesn't change if I press it
[19:58] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: could it be "orange" ?
[19:58] <Copenhagen_Bram> yeah
[19:59] <Copenhagen_Bram> qwefytuoityty: Try gparted
[20:00] <qwefytuoityty> but I did it~  six months ago. and ubuntu-mate 17
[20:00] <Copenhagen_Bram> And show us screenshots of what you are doing
[20:01] <qwefytuoityty> now 18 and I haven't checked as of now
[20:01] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: OK, this may be unrelated by apparently a 'stuck' F12 showing orange can sometimes be fixed by pressing and holding the key for more than 30 seconds
[20:02] <qwefytuoityty> to edit disk partitions for Windows I know 4 programs.
[20:04] <qwefytuoityty> if UEFI, in Windows 8/10 no problem with Grub, if edit partitions In Windows?
[20:04] <TJ-> qwefytuoityty: why are you editing the partitions? what are you changing? are you resizing the partitions?
[20:05] <Copenhagen_Bram> qwefytuoityty: join #ubuntu-ru
[20:05] <Copenhagen_Bram> and then wait
[20:07] <Copenhagen_Bram> qwefytuoityty: what language do you speak?
[20:12] <ramsub07> Hi, I'm able to ping my server but not SSH into it from a particular machine. However, I am able to SSH from other machines in the same network. what could've gone wrong?
[20:12] <TJ-> ramsub07: how does the ssh session fail? have you enabled debugging "ssh -vvv ..." ?
[20:14] <tripelb> hi, Could there be an update to this page (about HP laptops that work with Ubuntu) because the latest is the G2 and my G3 is 2016 vintage. -- I am looking for a better wifi driver and HP lists none for linux for this model laptop (HP probook 455 G3) on their site.
[20:14] <tripelb> oops... page mentioned. https://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/make/HP/?query=probook&category=Laptop&release=&level=Any
[20:15] <ramsub07> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/Wk44cEG8 this is what I get
[20:15] <ramsub07> TJ-: i am able to ping that IP address from the same machine
[20:16] <qwefytuoityty> I had an empty space in the middle of the disc. I booted through Grub in Windows and created from an empty partition a partition with a file system. -- >Grub stopped working (error). I returned as it was and Grub ok (Gparted live CD/USB Flash)
[20:17] <qwefytuoityty> lang ru
[20:17] <qwefytuoityty> Win XP
[20:18] <qwefytuoityty> As in UEFI and win8/10? +Linux with GRUb
[20:18] <qwefytuoityty> ?
[20:18] <TJ-> ramsub07: doesn't get very far does it!? what ubuntu release is this?
[20:19] <ramsub07> TJ-: 16.04
[20:19] <TJ-> qwefytuoityty: if you switch from BIOS/MBR to UEFI, then you'd need to replace grub-pc package with grub-efi"
[20:20] <TJ-> ramsub07: this rings a bell; I'm sure we had a very similar issue the last few days but I'm struggling to recall when and who
[20:20] <ramsub07> take your time :)
[20:21] <qwefytuoityty> IF UEFI me need Win 7-10 but me not need UEFI. Why not need UEFI? I use LINUX+ WIN XP.
[20:21] <TJ-> ramsub07: oh I know, in the case I'm thinking of, trying to open a TCP connection resulted in the process simply hanging, even when the remote host had no process listening. So not your issue I hope
[20:24] <qwefytuoityty> if UEFI, in Windows 8/10 no problem with Grub, if edit partitions In Windows?
[20:24] <Ntemis> hi need some help, i need to move everything that exist  /bunch of folders/* to a new folder
[20:24] <Ntemis> is there a command that can do this for me easily?
[20:25] <TJ-> qwefytuoityty: We are struggling to understand your problem because of the language barrier. Hoever, if I explain how GRUB is installed you might be able to figure it out yourself. GRUB writes its master-boot-record MBR code of 440 bytes to sector 0 of the disk. That code is loaded by BIOS into memory and executes. The MBR code then reads sector 1 onwards (usually spare sectors on an MBR partitioned disk)
[20:25] <TJ-> which is the GRUB core image and executes it. Core image then searches for the GRUB file-system (usually /boot/grub/) and reads the menu and other modules from there.
[20:25] <Ntemis> now am cut&pasting like a hundred times
[20:27] <qwefytuoityty> For UEFI not need Grub ?
[20:27] <TJ-> Ntemis: there is always a command, but your example needs a little more real detail to be sure what it is
[20:27] <Ntemis> sure
[20:27] <qwefytuoityty> Linux Grub
[20:27] <TJ-> qwefytuoityty: UEFI still requires GRUB, there is a version of GRUB for UEFI
[20:28] <Ntemis> in my / i have hundred of folders
[20:28] <Ntemis> everyone of those have one more folder
[20:28] <Ntemis> usually starts with 58
[20:29] <Ntemis> i need to move those folders inside the folders on root all into one different folder
[20:29] <Ntemis> so the one folder will have all those folders that start with 58**
[20:29] <TJ-> Ntemis: do you also want to delete the now-empty directory off the / ?
[20:30] <Ntemis> if command works sure
[20:30] <TJ-> Ntemis: give me a moment to do a test here
[20:30] <Ntemis> but i prefer to keep it so am sure it worked 1st
[20:31] <Ntemis> TJ-: if it helps i need all the subfolders to be moved to Content/0000000000000000/ that exists on the same hdd
[20:31] <Ntemis> so folder Content/ shouldnt be touched
[20:31] <Ntemis> but even if it is i can move the contents back
[20:32] <Ntemis> make sure /Content/0000000000000000/ is not deleted
[20:33] <tripelb> Ubu 18.04 I cannot figure out how to copy a .png in Pictures into pastebin.com so I can demonstrate something in #hexchat    -- what's up, doc?
[20:33] <Ntemis> TJ and make sure is mv no cp as hdd is already full :)
[20:33] <tripelb> being that it joins me to the channels BEFORE freenode gets me signed in on sasl.
[20:34] <Ntemis> and i know i ask too much
[20:34] <Ntemis> and you know i will be in debt to you for this
[20:35] <tripelb> Ntemis, that wont help because the original isnt freed until after the target has success. (I hope.)
[20:35] <Ntemis> thats ok
[20:35] <Ntemis> they are a few gb each
[20:35] <Ntemis> they are a few gb in each folder
[20:35] <tripelb> I notice that all the time when I update my android with tight space
[20:35] <Ntemis> and i have 19gb free
[20:36] <Ntemis> so move will do its work freely
[20:36] <tripelb> so you want to make sure you dont have to do a separate operation to remove the origin file. I get it Ntemis
[20:37] <Ntemis> i cand select origin folder and delete it my self after i make sure is really empty
[20:37] <tripelb> well, my simple pastebin question is unanswered. I am going to convert it to a jpg and see if that works differently.
[20:37] <Ntemis> no origin file has to be moved to Content/0000000000000000/
[20:37] <Ntemis> like Content/0000000000000000/originfolder
[20:38] <Ntemis> now i have to do 624 cut paste by mouse :(
[20:39] <Ntemis> in TJ- we trust
[20:39] <tripelb> darningneedle, I dont remember how to use convert which I downloaded in some other package.
[20:41] <qwefytuoityty> Exemple: GRUB UEFI. The first partition is Windows 7 or, 8 or, 10., the second partition is any Ubuntu. Linux GRUB UEFI understands the changes made in disk partitions in Windows if I make a change with the disk partitions into Windows any programs (exe) for disk?
[20:41] <qwefytuoityty> it is not sure that is translated correctly
[20:46] <Ntemis> TJ nvm i did it
[20:46] <Ntemis> i confess i am dumb
[20:47] <TJ-> Ntemis: here's a test: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/drqTCTjNFN/
[20:47] <TJ-> Ntemis: OK :)
[20:47] <tripelb> qwefytuoityty, It is not translated well but I may help. what is your language?
[20:48] <Ntemis> ow
[20:48] <Ntemis> thats is magic thanks
[20:48] <TJ-> Ntemis: darn, missed out creating the destination dir. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w6cGCDCv3y/
[20:48] <Ntemis> destination already is there created manually by me
[20:49] <Ntemis> hmm nvm i see
[20:49] <tripelb> qwefytuoityty, You cannot run any .exe in linux. == I partitioned my hdd using windows then installed Ubuntu in the partition I wanted. That is a good idea for the first partitioning because win10 knows how to partion itself. It leaves more space than you think but hey. It works.
[20:51] <tripelb> qwefytuoityty, what I did was use win10 to partion the entire drive in chunks big enough for a linux installation or a data partion, I think it was around 60 gigs per partition. I installed Ubuntu18.04 in the last partition for some reasons I dont exactly remember. --- thats all I know about this subject.
[20:52] <tripelb> qwefytuoityty, there are specific channels for many languages here. If you tell your language then someone will show you how. for spanish !es
[20:52] <tripelb> !es
[20:57] <tripelb> HELP ME please. I want to put an image into pastebin.com and it keeps putting in the local filename in text instead.
[20:57] <tripelb> I know I have done it before. I hope it works in ubuntu.
[20:57] <tgm4883> tripelb: you need something like https://imagebin.ca/ not pastebin
[20:57] <tripelb> ok
[21:02] <tripelb> thanks tgm4883 it worked. (I asked and asked a few days ago abut no answer... asked about something like pastebin for images. thanks again.
[21:05] <tgm4883> yw
[21:17] <KingPapu> Good morning to all.
[21:38] <wolfcomm> i setup a host-only + nat adapter for my ubuntu server and can no longer ssh into it. here's my ifconfig output https://ptpb.pw/R745
[21:56] <gxt> Hi, I am trying to fix a system with full /boot partition by `sudo apt-get purge linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic <some more old versions of the same package>` and I am a bit stuck, since I deleted some of those /boot/initrd.img-... files manually, so now when purging, I get an error and apt is trying to generate the initrd, which then fails again because no space left on device… Any advice on how to purge
[21:56] <gxt> those packages without apt trying to generate the files?
[22:01] <Bashing-om> gxt: We can try and drop down a lower level to 'dpkg' to purge . then repair the package manager afterward -
[22:02] <gxt> Ok I got it to work by deleting two old initrds, then `apt purge`ing some other old ones one by one and since then apt had enough space to generate the missing initrd, it could remove the package. This seems pretty dumb though…
[22:03] <gxt> Bashing-om: Thank you, is there any command I can run after all the purging to make sure the latest packages are not missing files on disk/regenerate the latest initrd to be sure?
[22:05] <Bashing-om> gxt: Yeah .. we will make sure when all set up . For now show in a pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ; uname -r ' so we know what the target is and is not .
[22:11] <gxt> Bashing-om: http://sprunge.us/qAEEo9
[22:11] <Bashing-om> gxt: looking.
[22:12] <gxt> What does the ic/rc/ii in the first column mean? I didn't find anything in the man page.
[22:12] <ish> Is there a trick to getting pip (python) installed?
[22:13] <gxt> ish: On Arch Linux it's simply `pacman -S python-pip`… :P
[22:14] <gxt> ish: According to https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-pip-on-ubuntu-18.04/ it's just as simple on Ubuntu.
[22:15] <Bashing-om> gxt: 'ic' is desired to be (i)nstalled with config files remaining from a removal, 'rc' redmoved nut config files remain . and 11 is installed and installed --- all happy .
[22:15] <ish> haha.. but this is ubuntu.. Fresh install 18.04.1.. Type pip, it says "apt install python-pip".. So I do apt install python-pip...  Unable to location package python-pip. Yes, I've apt update, and have installed a few other packages without issue.
[22:17] <Bashing-om> gxt: Let's see what we can have the system clean up for us ' sudo apt autoremove ' . see if those orphaned files ( ic ) get removed .
[22:17] <gxt> Bashing-om: I guess I should pass --purge to that?
[22:17] <neoncontrails> Do changes made to a filesystem mounted in UEFI mode persist after reboot? Or are the mounted files just ephemeral copies?
[22:19] <Bashing-om> gxt: Yeah you can .. I sometimes do . We will make sure we are "clean" in the end .
[22:19] <Bashing-om> ish: Server install ? that package is in universe, and in a server that repo is not enabled by default .
[22:19] <neoncontrails> And if I run "apt install x" as root (livecd boot) does it actually install that package on the primary partition? It seems not to
[22:20] <gxt> Bashing-om: apt autoremove --purge finished with "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[22:21] <gxt> neoncontrails: When in the live system, installed packages are just installed to the ram disk you are running from and will not be persisted.
[22:21] <Bashing-om> gxt: Looking good .. ok now I DO want to see ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' where in this invocation the headers are also displayed .
[22:21] <neoncontrails> gxt: I see. If I want to make persistent changes due to borked NVIDIA drivers, how should I go about that?
[22:22] <ish> not having it available in server is kind off odd no?
[22:23] <gxt> After installing x, check where it's installed with `which x` or `type x` or `command -v x` and then check on what partition that file lies in the output of `mount`, it should be one of the loop or overlayfs or whatever partitions, not one on a block device.
[22:23] <Bashing-om> ish: Recent change .. and I do not recall the reasoning .
[22:25] <gxt> Hm, on Arch there is an arch-chroot. Not sure if there is such a helper on Ubuntu, but it boils down to chrooting to your real install and fixing stuff.
[22:25] <gxt> neoncontrails: ^
[22:25] <ish> ok, universe added and now installing. Thanks for the heads up..  Google search isn't very good at identifying this one yet.
[22:27] <gxt> Bashing-om: All the old versions are still listed: http://sprunge.us/SJUS4u
[22:27] <Bashing-om> neoncontrails: While one can certainly do a full change root in ubuntu - if it is but a graphics issue, one can boot to a console interface - prior to invoking a GUI to fix .
[22:28] <Bashing-om> gxt: "linux-generic-hwe-16.04" is this a xenial install --- or is 16.04 "leftovers" ?
[22:30] <gxt> Bashing-om: It's a 16.04 that filled up /boot during the upgrade to 18.10.
[22:30] <neoncontrails> Bashing-om: I see, is the idea to invoke ctrl+alt+f7 on boot?
[22:31] <gxt> That was half an hour ago and I haven't rebooted since.
[22:31] <tomreyn> gxt: you upgraded from 16.04 right to 18.10?
[22:34] <Bashing-om> neoncontrails: No, not at boot, but at the login screen. key combo then to bring up a console. depending on the release, F7 maybe not what you want as that could be where the GUI is running .. try as ctl+alt+F2 .
[22:37] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: IRT gxt :: What think you ? I see no evidence of the 4.18 cosmic kernel .
[22:37] <gxt> tomreyn: I am certain that it was from 16.* to 18.*, I'm not certain about the minor versions TBH. This is not my device, I only help the owner when there are problems with it.
[22:37] <tomreyn> gxt: those aren't minor versions.
[22:38] <tomreyn> gxt: so since you don't know for sure, i'd suggest to assume it was an LTS upgrade, 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS, unless indicated otherwise.
[22:40] <gxt> The /boot partition was full, causing warnings, so I 1) Tried apt autoremove, which failed to remove old kernels 2) Manually removed /boot/initrd.img-4.1{0,3}* thinking that would free up enough space 3) Ran apt update && apt upgrade 4) Noticed the Software Center telling me that a new version (18.<not sure>) is available and told it to update, which filled up /boot again at the end of the "Installing
[22:40] <gxt> software" step.
[22:41] <gxt> tomreyn: I think it was those, I got the 18.10 number from the Ubuntu homepage, since I thought it must have been the latest version it tried to update to. The .04 looks really familar though, 90% sure it was those.
[22:42] <gxt> If you tell me how I can check, I can give you the exact version.
[22:42] <tomreyn> gxt: lsb_release -ds
[22:43] <gxt> Just found that myself, It sais 18.04.01 LTS now.
[22:43] <gxt> Uhm, well `lsb_release -a` does.
[22:43] <tomreyn> that's fine then. now you just need to fix the original issue and then finish the upgrade.
[22:44] <tomreyn> to fix the original issue, you will probably have to manually delete soem files off /boot
[22:44] <tomreyn> ls -la /boot | pastebinit
[22:44] <gxt> tomreyn: Good to hear, I was kinda worried when /boot filled up during the sys upgrade. I had `watch df -h /boot` open during and saw it coming, but didn't know how to stop it :P
[22:46] <tomreyn> gxt: this tells you the currently running kernel: uname -r
[22:47] <tomreyn> gxt: so keep all the files with this version number in /boot, as well as the most recent two kernel versions. but delete some of the other versioned vmlinuz and initrd.img files off /boot
[22:47] <gxt> tomreyn: Only the latest version of the files is in there now http://sprunge.us/hk5LVk
[22:48] <tomreyn> looks like you missed initrd.img-4.10.0-28-generic
[22:48] <tomreyn> but you surely deleted more than i'd have. so won't be able to start with the currently running kernel again (though this may not have worked anyways)
[22:49] <gxt> tomreyn: Ah damn right, does `apt purge linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic` not clean that up?
[22:49] <tomreyn> hmm i guess it should have
[22:49] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: All that is left to work with whole is the 4.15.0-30-generic and 4.15.0-36-generic kernels :( Siggest we " dpkg -P " the old headers .
[22:50] <gxt> tomreyn: That machine is running on 4.15.0-36 already.
[22:50] <tomreyn> yes, i'd also suggest to dpkg -P next, or actually use apt for this task.
[22:50] <tomreyn> oh i see.
[22:51] <gxt> So to get rid of the initrd.img-4.10.0-28-generic is `sudo rm ...` actually the correct way? Is there no way to let the package manager do this? It wil complain in the future about missing files again if I manually rm it, no?
[22:52] <tomreyn> so you can sudo apt update && sudo apt purge "linux-{image,headers}-4.1{0,3}.*"
[22:54] <tomreyn> if /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-28-generic is still present afterwards, you can just amnually remove it using rm, right
[22:54] <Bashing-om> gxt: 'rm' will surely break the package manager - I stillhold to dpkg in this instance to remove the header files . Then make sure that /usr/src/ - /lib/modules/ - and /boot all agree .
[22:54] <tomreyn> apt should no longer complain about this file since it doesn't seem to be part of a package that is still installed
[22:54] <Sbur3> Just updated to 18.10.  Sound works only on Kodi.  Nowhere else.  Anyone wanna be patient with me?
[22:55] <tomreyn> gxt: you can run "dpkg -S /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-28-generic" to see whether this file is actually still considered to be part of an installed package
[22:56] <Sbur3> Just updated to 18.10.  Sound only works in Kodi.  Nowhere else.  Any one wanna help me?
[22:57] <Sbur3> Been looking for answers, but haven't found any
[22:57] <tomreyn> gxt: be sure to also show "dpkg -l linux-*"  once you've cleaned up
[22:57] <gxt> Bashing-om: >Then make sure that … all agree.    How do I do that?
[22:57] <LionHeart-Z> Hi guys!
[22:58] <tomreyn> !sound | Sbur3
[22:58] <Sbur3> Can't even get to PulseAudio
[22:58] <LionHeart-Z> How are you all?
[22:58] <tomreyn> welcome LionHeart-Z, do you have any ubuntu support questions?
[22:59] <LionHeart-Z> I need some help in booting my OS. It says "Init not found"
[22:59] <tomreyn> LionHeart-Z: what is your OS, how was it installed, was it working previously, if so what changed between then and now?
[23:00] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Thx. I'll try that too
[23:00] <Bashing-om> gxt: ' ls -al /usr/src/ ; ls -al /lib/modules/ ; ls -al /boot/ ' . That all contain the exact same file versions .
[23:00] <tomreyn> good luck, Sbur3
[23:01] <LionHeart-Z> Yes. It was working previously for years. My OS is Debian GNU/Linux. My laptop hanged in the middle of apt update && aptdist-upgrade
[23:02] <gxt> The apt purge gives a "dpkg: Warning: During removal of linux-headers-4.10.0-28-generic the directory "/lib/modules/4.10.28-generic" is not empty and will not be removed"
[23:02] <LionHeart-Z> So I forced shutdown. (Trying killing X server first. Dosnt work)
[23:02] <tomreyn> Sbur3: try running "pavucontrol" from a terminal, see if this gets you anywhere
[23:02] <LionHeart-Z> And since.then the. OS is not booting
[23:03] <LionHeart-Z> PS: I am typing this from Firefox in Android
[23:03] <tomreyn> LionHeart-Z: we only support ubuntu here (thus the channel name), not debian gnu/linux (try #debian)
[23:03] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Done that/  It tells me that there is a problem with the Pulse Audio server
[23:04] <LionHeart-Z> OK. Thank you tomreyn
[23:05] <tomreyn> welcome, Lionheart
[23:06] <gxt> Bashing-om: You can pass multiple paths to ls btw: `ls -Al /usr/src /lib/modules /boot`
[23:07] <tomreyn> Sbur3: "dpkg -l pulseaudio" should tell you that you have pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils version 1:12.2-0ubuntu4 in state 'ii' (installed).
[23:07] <Bashing-om> gxt: Yup :) .. but as I do not know your experience level .. keep it where it looks sane .
[23:08] <tomreyn> Sbur3: i don't know how to continue trouble shooting it from there but i guess the wiki page ubottu pointed you to can help then.
[23:08] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Even pavucontrol doesn't open access to pulse
[23:10] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Thx for the help so far.  And I've been trying to follow the help on wiki
[23:10] <tomreyn> Sbur3: you're welcome, hope it helps.
[23:10] <gxt> I checked and /lib/modules still has 4.10.0-28-generic and 4.15.0-29-generic. When doing `sudo apt purge linux-modules{,-extra}-4.15.0-29-generic` I get "dpkg: Warning: while removing linux-modules… directory '/lib/modules/4.15.0-29-generic' not empty so not removed"
[23:12] <gxt> Bashing-om: Yeah well I'm an Arch user for >10 years, but I try to minimize contact with Ubuntu :P I just help some friends when they have problems sometimes and I'm not that familiar with apt/dpkg/etc.
[23:12] <tomreyn> gxt: so check what's in there (use ls on this path) and see whether dpkg still has a package registered witht his path: dpkg -S /lib/modules/4.15.0-29-generic
[23:13] <Bashing-om> gxt: Good man :) I came here from Slackware myself .
[23:14] <tomreyn> in the end it's probably just leftover virtualbox (or other self-compiled) kernel modules
[23:16] <gxt> tomreyn: That might be: http://sprunge.us/Tmeci2 dpkg -S told me "no path found matching pattern /lib/modules/4.15.0-29-generic"
[23:17] <gxt> And `dpkg -l | grep linux-` is getting cleaner too slowly: http://sprunge.us/fc8Isa
[23:19] <tomreyn> gxt: so you can just delete the entire directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-29-generic
[23:19] <Bashing-om> gxt: :) .. and as xenial os no more .. get rid of the "ii  linux-generic-hwe-16.04" too, as we do not want to re-download these old kernel images .
[23:20] <tomreyn> gxt: also: sudo apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-29-generic
[23:21] <tomreyn> gxt: also: sudo apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-29-generic linux-modules-4.15.0-32-generic linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-32-generic
[23:21] <tomreyn> actually just this last one.
[23:22] <gxt> Bashing-om, tomreyn: Should I also purge linux-generic-hwe-16.04?
[23:23] <tomreyn> gxt: yes
[23:23] <tomreyn> gxt: then make sure all of these exit without any warnings or errors: apt update; apt -f install; apt full-upgrade
[23:24] <tomreyn> run them with sudo
[23:24] <gxt> tomreyn: I assume linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04 can be purged too, or generally any *-hwe-16.04 package, right?
[23:25] <tomreyn> gxt: correct
[23:27] <gxt> What does it mean if a package is still in `dpkg -l` with "rc" in the first column after it has been purged?
[23:27] <tomreyn> gxt: that package configuration data is still present, often those are files in /etc, but they can be elsewhere, too.
[23:28] <Bashing-om> gxt: While there is no built in way to remove all of your configuration information from your removed packages you can remove all configuration data from every removed package. To purge all removed but not yet purged packages, where The state is rc, the package is removed, but the config files are not removed....with the following command.
[23:28] <tomreyn> "apt purge <package>" removes them while "apt remove <package>" creates this situation
[23:28] <gxt> tomreyn: Isn't purge supposed to delete those too?
[23:28] <Bashing-om> gxt: dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P .
[23:29] <tomreyn> gxt: yes, it is
[23:29] <gxt> Bashing-om: Thanks, good to know.
[23:30] <gxt> Is there a difference between `apt purge "$pkg"` and `dpkg -P "$pkg"`?
[23:30] <tomreyn> apt is the more intelligent tool of the two, it actually runs dpkg as a sub process, but is aware of how packages depends on and conflict with one another.
[23:33] <gxt> Ok I think I'm good now: http://sprunge.us/mtx5Nu
[23:33] <gxt> Bashing-om, tomreyn: Thank you both a ton for all the help!
[23:33] <tomreyn> sometimes (rarely, usuall yonly in situations like this where you have to clean up after a relevant package database issue involving packages or package versions from potentially incompatible distributions / release versions) you want to resort to dpkg -P, most of the time you should just use apt / apt-get
[23:34] <tomreyn> gxt: this says you have: rc  linux-modules-4.15.0-32-generic       4.15.0-32.35~16.04.1
[23:34] <gxt> Is there anything left to do due to the incomplete sys upgrade 16.04 -> 18.04?
[23:34] <tomreyn> gxt: you shoudl update-grub and grub-install to where the boot code should be placed
[23:35] <tomreyn> and before you do this, you should also "update-initramfs -k all"
[23:35] <gxt> tomreyn: Hm yeah, I thought I purged that before, it's gone now.
[23:35] <tomreyn> update-initramfs -k all -c
[23:38] <Bashing-om> gxt: In addition I would question the user as to why " linux-libc-dev " is installed .
[23:40] <gxt> Or shorter `… -ck all` :P It is giving me "debmod: WARNING: could not open /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_3cwJxE/lib/modules/4.10.0-28-generic/modules.{order,builtin}: No such file or directory" (separately in two lines) …I thought I got rid of that version
[23:40] <tomreyn> this can be a result of installing "build-essential" to build some software (possibly automatically, such as using dkms)
[23:41] <gxt> dkms is used on that machine to get WiFi working with bcmwl or something IIRC.
[23:41] <tomreyn> then you may want to keep linux-libc-dev around.
[23:42] <tomreyn> what's in /lib/modules/ ?
[23:43] <tomreyn> you may want to "ls -l /usr/src /lib/modules /boot | pastebinit" to make sure whverything's gone that should be.
[23:50] <gxt> tomreyn: Ok there was still a 4.10.0-28 dir in /lib/modules, I removed it manually, confirmed it is gone, then ran update-initramfs again and it's still trying to generate one for that version: http://sprunge.us/EdI7ik
[23:55] <tomreyn> gxt: see above
[23:55] <tharkun> I have this isue where all the users of a server use nano but me beeing the administrator of this machine am more confortable using vim ( my knowledge of nano is 0) How can I make the root user and my personal user use vim instead of nano? update-alternatives for what I have read is not an alternative. Do I have to configure each and every one of the programs that call /etc/alternatives/editor ?
[23:59] <tomreyn> tharkun: there's the eDITOR environment variable you can set in your shell profile
[23:59] <tomreyn> * EDITOR