[06:07] <Unit193> Hrm, I seem to have http://paste.openstack.org/show/zOO9HkWhuYOG3ef1LdY7 sitting in my clone of the docs.
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[08:07] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: I agree, with bug 1798236 thats kind of a killer for release
[08:07] <ubottu> bug 1798236 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "gnome-software crashes with assertion failure Gs:ERROR:../lib/gs-plugin-loader.c:1698:gs_plugin_loader_pending_apps_add: assertion failed: (gs_app_list_length (list) > 0)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798236
[08:22] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - i386 - i386 built.
[08:27] <akxwi-dave> ahh bugger even after two rebuilds still have 1798236 on 32bit..
[08:34]  * Unit193 wonders if it's one of the Ubuntu patches, and if the Debian one works...
[08:52] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[09:04] <Unit193> [04:58:14] < seb128> can we get the gnome-software uploads from the queue in as 0 day SRU?
[09:04] <Unit193> [05:01:02] < seb128> the one in the release pocket is screwed on i386, that has low number of users nowadays but would still be nice to have fixed in a SRU this week
[09:04] <ochosi> well we can initially only release 64bit and let 32bit follow once the bug is addressed, no?
[09:05] <ochosi> ah ok, that sounds promising
[09:06] <Unit193> So in order to get software installation/upgrades working, one must boot the ISO, open gnome-software, and run updates. :>
[09:08] <bluesabre> Yup, last word was that it was to be a 0-day SRU
[09:08] <bluesabre> so boot, suffer, install, suffer, update, (hopefully not) suffer
[09:11] <ochosi> so block 32 and only release 64?
[09:13] <Unit193> How does that help..
[09:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Making a bad joke.
[09:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: there'd not be a 32-bit respin, so it'd be blocked until 19.04
[09:28] <akxwi-dave> I know most 32bit users could work their way around the "boot, suffer, install, suffer, update, (hopefully not) suffer" but there would be a backlash if we did that I personally believe.. 
[10:02] <bluesabre> I've added a note about it on the release notes, https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.10/release-notes, not sure there's much else we can do
[10:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: planning to bring a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme/+bug/1795135 into cosmic... I see https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/commit/?id=52d4c333269452a03a0f1f8c527861b5cd21792d but not an equivalent fix for greybird
[10:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1795135 in greybird-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) "Window buttons are not clickable at the top of the screen" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:20] <bluesabre> Suppose folks should mark their blueprints all postponed https://dev.xubuntu.org/
[11:09] <bluesabre> !team | It's release day... if anybody's around to do some final iso testing, please take a moment to do so. (In particular, 32-bit seems to be lacking)
[11:09] <ubottu> It's release day... if anybody's around to do some final iso testing, please take a moment to do so. (In particular, 32-bit seems to be lacking): akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193
[11:10] <bluesabre> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/397/builds
[12:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll try to tackle that issue in greybird now
[12:59] <ochosi> maybe we can ship those two things as tiny patches atop
[13:00] <ochosi> btw, i noticed that the panel patch only adds the classes upon orientation changes, so it also needs to be initialized correctly i guess
[13:06] <ochosi> in any case, the best i could do in greybird is the same flickering as in adwaita...
[13:09] <ochosi> (not sure that's worth a patch)
[13:27] <ochosi> in some way this is certainly a panel bug, i've added some findings to the lp report
[13:51] <Spass> ochosi, I think it might be related to docked GTK3 apps, because Plank dock items are blinking, but Latte dock (Qt) is fine
[13:51] <ochosi> possible as well
[13:51] <ochosi> but i only notice this problem with panel at top or at the left
[13:51] <ochosi> bottom and right are both fine
[13:51] <ochosi> if you could test/confirm this, that'd be helpful
[13:52] <Unit193> Spass: Using intelli hiding?
[13:52] <Spass> Unit193, launchers are blinking with intelli on and off, no difference
[13:53] <Spass> that blinking bug is something I try to "diagnose" since 17.04 - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2397371
[13:55] <ochosi> yeah, it's probably not a panel regression of 4.13
[13:55] <ochosi> rather directly related to something in gtk+3
[13:55] <ochosi> so now that the panel is gtk+3 (and all its internal plugins), this bug became way more noticeable
[13:56] <Spass> on 18.04 it's visible only on Whisker, time, and some indicators
[13:56] <Spass> Window Buttons made it much worse :/
[13:57] <Spass> (on cosmic)
[13:58] <ochosi> yeah, well it simply affects them now too because they are now ported to gtk+3
[13:58] <ochosi> but again, please move your panel to the bottom or the right screen edge and test with adwaita
[13:59] <ochosi> it should not flicker
[14:00] <Spass> yes, it only affects top and left edges, so probably elements that are docked to 0x0? just guessing
[14:03] <ochosi> yeah, it obviously is related to that somehow
[16:29] <flocculant> is anyone around to mark them ready?
[16:29] <flocculant> I see tests have been done 
[16:55] <flocculant> did it 
[17:20] <ochosi> thanks flocculant 
[18:13] <akxwi-dave> bugger he beat me to it
[18:13] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[18:20] <flocculant> ha ha 
[18:26] <pleia2> looks like no blog post prepped, do we have plans/highlights for one?
[18:26] <pleia2> I can draft one up real quick based on past ones if needed
[18:27]  * pleia2 just does it ;)
[18:27] <flocculant> pleia2: in the past I've kept on top of that - but didn't this time, didn't do much at all this time
[18:37] <pleia2> could use some more eyes on it, I just cherry-picked stuff from the release notes draft https://xubuntu.org/?p=4591&preview=true
[18:37] <pleia2> and the site itself needs to be flipped to say we've released (knome?)
[18:37] <flocculant> pleia2: looking now]
[18:38] <flocculant> scans ok
[18:39] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:39] <flocculant> knome: 18.10 doesn't exist on releases 
[18:40] <flocculant> consequently not on download page
[18:40]  * pleia2 tries to figure out how to add it
[18:40] <flocculant> lol
[18:40] <flocculant> check out the docs on it ...
[18:40] <pleia2> ah, big question is what the description should be
[18:41] <pleia2> yeah
[18:41] <pleia2> pretty straight forward
[18:41] <flocculant> ummm 
[18:42] <flocculant> Bit like 17.10 except we've got some gtk3/xfce4.14 things I thought
[18:42] <flocculant> but I've been rather mia 
[18:43] <pleia2> same
[18:43] <pleia2> docs need to be uploaded too
[18:44] <flocculant> no clue - thought we were moving to not specific docs *shrug*
[18:44] <flocculant> anyway - dinner time for me - back tomorrow
[18:45] <flocculant> nice to see another release - thanks to all who did stuff for it :)
[18:49] <pleia2> well, I added the release aside from docs link and description, and didn't click the released checkmark yet
[18:51]  * pleia2 uploads wallpaper too
[18:53] <pleia2> ok, I need rescue from knome now to do the rest :)
[19:12] <pleia2> I need to run to the city, but have tiny laptop if need me to do things once the site is updated <3
[20:00] <knome> mm.
[20:07] <knome> flocculant, docs do not specify release, but since it's possible there are changes in the system/docs between releases, we still do build release-specific docs...
[20:18] <flocculant> knome: ok, wasn't completely sure there obviously :)
[20:19] <knome> np
[20:19] <knome> updating the docs atm
[20:19] <flocculant> wasn't sure how to set up new releases either obviously - or I would have done so
[20:20] <knome> np
[20:20] <flocculant> anyway - wandering off now - thanks :)
[20:20] <knome> i've been MIA too, didn't remember it was release day
[20:20] <knome> nighty!
[20:25] <knome> everything related to 18.10 up now on website
[21:00] <pleia2> oh good, I will do some things when I can
[21:05] <pleia2> hm, I don't see it on the releases page
[21:05] <pleia2> does someone want to un-draft our release notes? :)
[21:10] <pleia2> it does have the checkmark now as being released, but even hard refresh of the releases page doesn't make it show up
[22:21] <bluesabre> pleia2: un-drafted
[22:34] <bluesabre> pleia2: I see the release now
[22:38] <pleia2> oh good
[23:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: where should i see the release..?
[23:10] <ochosi> oh, i think i see it
[23:11] <ochosi> i thought you had already published the release announcement
[23:11] <ochosi> cos apart from the release page there isn't anything yet
[23:12] <ochosi> (also, sorry for being pretty late to the party, seems like this time we're all a little unprepared :D)
[23:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: didn't you have release notes ready at some point? (sry, lost my channel backlog today) just to extend on the blog post draft a little
[23:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: release notes are ready at https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.10/release-notes
[23:22] <bluesabre> ochosi: I meant the actual release page is up, different from blog post or anything else, https://xubuntu.org/release/18-10/
[23:23] <ochosi> yeah
[23:25] <ochosi> also yuck, we have some pretty noticeable issues this time
[23:27] <bluesabre> yup
[23:27] <bluesabre> means we can be productive before DD opens up
[23:28] <ochosi> :)
[23:31] <ochosi> should i start editing the "download xubuntu" page?
[23:33] <ochosi> or is anybody else currently on this?
[23:33] <bluesabre> I am not
[23:34] <ochosi> just wondering what the plan is, or if there is one ;)
[23:35] <bluesabre> I guess go for it... it seems like all the other bits are ready
[23:35] <bluesabre> I lack access to the social medias to announce once we press the button though
[23:36] <ochosi> well the blog post also isn't ready
[23:36] <ochosi> those are the two things i see lacking currently (blog post, download page)
[23:37] <ochosi> humm, i don't know our stylesheet well enough, what's the alternative to id=lts or id=lts-old?
[23:37] <ochosi> knome - knooooome!
[23:37] <ochosi> :]
[23:37] <bluesabre> cnoma -aaaaaaaa
[23:38] <pleia2> I don't know how to make the /download page to show the new release
[23:38] <pleia2> the blog post is ready though
[23:39] <pleia2> once someone figures out /download ;)
[23:40] <ochosi> i just updated the downloads page
[23:40] <ochosi> but most mirrors are still 404
[23:40] <pleia2> yeah, that's normal
[23:41] <ochosi> not sure if we want to drop any or if that's even easily possible on a per-release basis
[23:41] <pleia2> takes them a bit to carch up
[23:42] <pleia2> I'd say audit the list later and remove ones that don't sync after a few days
[23:42] <ochosi> k
[23:42] <pleia2> I'll publish blog post and do social media in a moment
[23:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: did you read through the blog post?
[23:43] <ochosi> feels we highlight only some stuff that doesn't even feel that important (although thanks for the praise on theming updates ;))
[23:44] <ochosi> pleia2: mind if i add one or two highlights?
[23:44] <ochosi> at least a general mention of us shipping more Xfce 4.13 components would be nice
[23:44] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, it's a hard one to announce... "we updated themes and there's more gtk3 things"
[23:44] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbiab
[23:44] <ochosi> although it's a mix of "highlights" and "known issues" ;D
[23:44] <bluesabre> :D
[23:47] <pleia2> ochosi: go for it
[23:47] <pleia2> I don't know anything, I just copied some things from the release notes :)
[23:48] <pleia2> ochosi: feel free to hit publish when you're done and let me know
[23:50] <ochosi> hehe
[23:57] <ochosi> pleia2: ok done
[23:58] <pleia2> woo
[23:58] <pleia2> ok, doing the social media things now