 @tsimonq2 [Get agaida to adopt lxqt-calculator upstream, there we go XD], like this? https://github.com/mfitzp/15-minute-apps/tree/master/calculator
 Sweet yeah well using qt with c++
 I do python for side projects though
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 going back to vpn thing.
 nmcli is commanline only, right?
[00:05] <wxl> correct
[00:05] <wxl> nmtui is a ncurses interface but i'm not sure it's feature complete
[00:05] <wxl> if you can get it to work in nmtui, you can get it to work in the "edit connections" selection of nm-tray because that's whta it opens
 Oh, by the way wxl
 plasma-nm and nm-tray both use the same library on the backend
 So while we can't use plasma-nm, we can look at how they implemented certain things with the library.
 Worst case scenario it's a KDE library, so :)
 I don't see VPN in nmtui either
 In add I see: DSL, Ethernet, InfiniBand, Wi-Fi, Bond, Bridge, IP tunnel, Team, VLAN
[00:13] <wxl> bummer
[00:13] <wxl> nmcli it is then
 nmcli is only commadn line
 apparently whit a valid config file a VPN connection can be up/down. But it can't be friendly created
[00:18] <wxl> right
 why plasma-nm ca'nt be used?
[00:21] <wxl> plasmoid
[00:21] <wxl> essentially needs all of plasma desktop
[00:22] <wxl> i mean jeez someone enterprising could probably cut out the stuff in plasma-nm that's not in nm-tray and paste it in and call it a day XD
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[00:28] <wxl> @lynorian: we should probably have a page in the manual on how to set up a connection that isn't natively supported by nm-tray/nmtui.. someone on #lubuntu said wpa-enterprise wasn't a thing either
[00:30] <lynorian> wxl put that on phab please I honestly don't use either of those setups so won't be the easiest for me to write
[00:30] <wxl> @HMollerCl can i count on you for that? you can generalize it. 
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl can i count on you for that? you can generalize it.], ok
 not sure what wpa-enterprise is.
 any other thing? maybe it's easier to port something than to write cases for all the options??
 aaa, you are thinking in copyng the config files generated with plasma-nm ??
[01:15] <wxl[m]> I think just keep it general. You can use the VPN as an example
[01:56] <wxl[m]> Probably could go that
 https://youtu.be/AFSdoI5EfRI
 Yup 👍
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[04:08] <lyorian> @steedalion I just noticed in the changelog that you spotted a typo in a filename I fixed it but ^ should have the diff which should help you in knowning how to fix more of the same problem. 
 They're not on Telegram.
[04:08] <wxl> i wonder if we can bridge to the phab chat
 Hmmm
[04:14] <lyorian> oh well was worth a shot
 👍
 Hello guys. I have a very simple utility that I would like in the future be included in Lubuntu (Ubuntu) repositories
 Any ideas that what are the tasks necessary to get this
 First share the code.
 Well, i had a repository in gitlab.
 Alberto Vicente / pyLinuxWheel · GitLab ... https://gitlab.com/OdinTdh/pyLinuxWheel
 I think that is not properly structured to be packaged but well, in part, this is the reason for i asking in this channel
 Hi @OdinTdh I think @tsimonq2 or @wxl could help you, but I think they are in the US west coast time zone, so, sleeping now.
 I dont have hurry, because the application is in alpha status, and i have to work more in it. But i would like to prepare to be packaged in the future
 So is not a problem to wait hehe
 @HMollerCl [Hi @OdinTdh I think @tsimonq2 or @wxl could help you, but I think they are in th …], (wxl is US west coast, I'm US central ;) )
 @OdinTdh [Hello guys. I have a very simple utility that I would like in the future be incl …], What's it do?
 It is a very little utility to change the range (in grades) of logitech racing wheels
 It is useful for linux gamers, because the official tool to do this is only in Windows, and my program is little alternative. Now, only can change the range, but in the future i want to support all features from the driver
 I can help you get it in the repos but whether or not we should include it in Lubuntu is a different story. ... One major question that affects the latter is why you chose GTK 3 instead of Qt. We switched to LXQt this cycle, and as a project, Qt has become a first class citizen (and we try to avoid shipping GTK apps by default if we 
 I dont pretend that be installed by default in Lubuntu, because it is only useful for owners of logitech racing wheels and it is a minority. But i would like that can be installed easy from Ubuntu repositories
 OK, cool 👍
 I would still like to know why you went with GTK over Qt though. :)
 The release announcement will be out shortly (it's intentionally delayed until today, I'll explain later). ISOs are up here if you want them: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.10/release/
 Ok. Im going to try to explain. My favourites desktops uses Gtk (mate, lxde, xfce) and the python gtk3 tutorial is very good, better in my opinion thst the documentation of pyqt.
 On the other hand i m going to differenciate the ui part from the interaction with the driver, so is perfect possible to create a ui in qt and reuse part of the code of my aplication.
 The truth is that now is a very little applications so it doesnt have sense overthinking about the architecture of the application when it is only a 500 lines in Python
 True.
 Let me know when you make a release that's stable enough for general consumption and I can get it packaged and in the repos for you. :)
 Thanks Simon!!!
 No problem, let me know if you need me for anything else :)
 Sweet idea about Linux drivers for wheels. One of the reasons I still have a Windows based gaming machine
 Interesting take on gtk though this project is more geared to qt for the present so I think that's why we're focusing on using it for now
 Right. I mean, GTK is fine, we just prefer Qt for anything Lubuntu endorses. If @OdinTdh really wanted to, if it was a Qt frontend, I'd let him develop it under the Lubuntu team umbrella (which makes you part of a Linux distro team and strengthens the credibility of the Lubuntu brand I think).
 Plus, God forbid you get hit by a bus or something similar, your project can be carried on as normal.
 But it's all up to you, @OdinTdh.
 Well, i can study qt and take a decision about it. It can be interesting
 Let me know, because we'd be happy to have you on the team, even if it's just to work on that. :)
 By the way, welcome @aptghetto, good to have you here. :)
 Thanks for the invitation. Let me study a bit a qt. I think that a qt version can be easy to make
 👍
 Thanks 👍
 When's the next team meeting btw? And could it be 7:30 pm est onward :D
 Looks like the upgrade from 18.04 is working even worse than expected, this might need a section in the manual and/or release notes. ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/9peiw2/upgraded_to_1810_desktop_environment_is/
 @Wafficus [When's the next team meeting btw? And could it be 7:30 pm est onward :D], After the release announcement etc. I'm taking a vacation from Lubuntu so maybe we have to skip a week if others are doing the same.
 @marneu [Looks like the upgrade from 18.04 is working even worse than expected, this migh …], Oh, I don't doubt it.
 The whole freaking release is a new feature.
 I'm ready to call the upgrade path unsupported, just install fresh...
 Otherwise we have the document Lyn wrote up
 But I don't even know if I want to officially support it.
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[17:19] <wxl> re: T53 did you move the remaining items somewhere else?
[17:24] <tsimonq2> Not yet, but it's two items I know off the top of my head.
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[17:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: DUUUUDE
[17:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
[17:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: Look at those improvements horse guy just made
[17:38] <tsimonq2> <3
[17:41] <wxl> O_O
[17:41] <tsimonq2> ikr!
 Cool!
 So, is that guy lurking in here under a different name? XD
 If so, show yourself, because you're freaking awesome.
[17:46] <wxl> maybe alternately we recommend a move $HOME to a separate partition and do a new install upgrade path
[17:47] <wxl> but we'd need to do something with Cala to get it to support that
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[18:11] <wxl> @TheWendyPower @HMollerCl i didn't really pay attention to it but does the volume icon seem particularly dark to you? can we resolve that some how
 wxl: I've seen a similar issue with the nm-tray icon with light themes.
[18:13] <wxl> that's to be expected, marneau, because it's light
[18:13] <wxl> if you change from a dark to light theme, you need to change from a light to dark icon theme
 No, I think the icon stays light regardless.
[18:14] <wxl> the icon theme should change it
 The volume icon should change as well, but it doesn't.
 Have you tried logging out and logging in again?
 We might need to go hunt down agaida for this one :P
 @tsimonq2 [Have you tried logging out and logging in again?], I think I did, but I might be wrong. I'll investigate.
 ha, nevermind. wxl was right, I didn't change the icon theme (I didn't notice because I usually set the Qt theme to "gtk2").
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower @HMollerCl i didn't really pay attention to it but does the …], It is very dark indeed, also the battery one if you use the one from the theme. I tried to get how it works but I couldn't
 It appears to be papirus dark issue
 With numix it change
 (numix circle looks awesome)
 Nm-tray icon does change when changing between papirus and papirus-dark
 There is an option that is something like "change icon colors according to theme" if you change that the volume icons become black, but all the icons in pcmanfm-qt become white too and thus can't be seen
[19:10] <lyorian> Tes pretty sure logout is best for panel as it doesn't change widget
 @wxl they are dark...
[19:12] <wxl> we probably should have fixed that
[19:12] <wxl> this is my problem. i don't tend to pay attention to stuff like that
[19:12] <wxl> i like dark and as such have had to suffer with the occassional dark icon here and there. no big deal.
[19:12] <wxl> (in my mind)
[19:13] <wxl> maybe we can do an SRU to fix the icon? is that crazy, @tsimonq2 ?
 @wxl [<wxl> maybe we can do an SRU to fix the icon? is that crazy, @tsimonq2 ?], It isn't crazy.
 Fairly doable.
 I would like to lighten them up a little. Keeping them dark, but not so dark.
[19:14] <wxl> maybe a light border around them?
 Here's the only problem. Unless the user does an update before the first login, since LXQt has no concept of profiles, the unpatched copy will be copied to `~/.config`, but then the update won't copy over the change.
 It's hacky, horrible, and won't be accepted if we tried to do that in postinst.
 So it's probably best to release note it.
[19:15] <wxl> ok
 For 19.04 we can have that fixed.
[19:16] <wxl> yeah
 Oh for sure.
 There are several UI things I would like to get cleaned up for 19.04
 @TheWendyPower [There are several UI things I would like to get cleaned up for 19.04], Then you and @MichaelTunnell should file a bunch of Phab tasks. :)
 We have our own instance for a reason, don't be afraid to brain dump in a task.
 @tsimonq2 [Here's the only problem. Unless the user does an update before the first login, …], where is it copied? I always thought there where here /usr/share/icons/Papirus-Dark
 BRAIN DUMP
 @tsimonq2 I really should, so I can keep track of them all.
 @HMollerCl [where is it copied? I always thought there where here /usr/share/icons/Papirus-D …], Wait, are you talking about fixing the icon itself or the CO configuration for the panel?
 @TheWendyPower [@tsimonq2 I really should, so I can keep track of them all.], Doeeeeet
 @MichaelTunnell [BRAIN DUMP], Yup :D
 @tsimonq2 [Wait, are you talking about fixing the icon itself or the CO configuration for t …], Is tehre another way to do it?
 @HMollerCl [Is tehre another way to do it?], Well, if the icon itself is wrong we can fix that, but if the configuration is wrong we can't fix it.
 I'm not sure where the problem is. When you select the icon theme, there is a checkbox with something like "color icons according to style controls (palllet)"
 if you uncheck this, the volume icon can be seen, but the pcmanfm-qt can't
 But that doesn't happened with numix-circle-
 @HMollerCl Could you maybe try to play with Kvantum?
 @tsimonq2 [@HMollerCl Could you maybe try to play with Kvantum?], ok, will look at it
 is there a good info on how icons work? I'm still in an old install from august, and although I have made all the updates, there is still an icon in papirus I have different from a fresh install (for pulse audio I have the same icon as for volume). I have purged and reinstall papirus icon and this rhing is still different.
 maybe there is something i ./config that made this happened and that we could use.
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 So @Wafficus I know you've asked for it, and I think it's a good idea: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing-backlog/
 wxl: ^ please feel free to add stuff.
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 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1053384401588047873
 Simon: yesssss that's great. Sweet. This makes our process more lean instead of having to ask and bog down the chat. Thanks a lot
 👍
[20:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe1e598f1afb7: Add volume control within vlc.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe1e598f1afb7
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 Psyched for the release. I'm assuming you can just do an update via terminal right?
 From beaver to cosmic
[20:58] <lynorian> yes
[20:58] <lynorian> but then you will have gtk duplicates of lots of stuff is the hard part
 @Wafficus [Psyched for the release. I'm assuming you can just do an update via terminal rig …], Yeah, I wouldn't upgrade, personally.
 Gotcha good to know
 https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
 I'm interested in possibly applying some six sigma and lean ideas to our development process too btw. I'm usually involved with quality processes at work and am wondering if you guys think we could benefit from it
 Wuzzat? :)
 Actually
 Don't tell me here
 Create a task 😉
 Will do. I'll put related links. Not a huge deal but it might help the end customer in terms of release schedules and quality
 👍
 Plus it's a skill that anyone in software could definitely put in their resume so I think the whole team could benefit
 Cool
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 Welcome @axelius! You looking to help out or just lurk? :)
 Ah, I see you're from the Spanish group :D
 @tsimonq2 [Ah, I see you're from the Spanish group :D], Yes.
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[23:35] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 The announcement looks good. Please add a link to Mastodon for me https://mastodon.technology/@kc2bez
 Will do :)
 Thanks!
[23:37] <kc2bez> Thank YOU!
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