[00:00] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#Setting_values_to_environment_variables
[00:01] <gxt> tharkun: You might also want to set VISUAL.
[00:02] <gxt> tomreyn: I am not sure which message above you are referring too, sorry, I should probably go to sleep… I rebooted the machine now though and it seems to be fine.
[00:03] <tomreyn> tharkun: see manual page sensible-editor(1)
[00:03] <tomreyn> gxt: <tomreyn> you may want to "ls -l /usr/src /lib/modules /boot | pastebinit" to make sure everything's gone that should be.
[00:04] <tharkun> gxt: headless server
[00:04] <gxt> tomreyn: The output of that was included in the last paste: http://sprunge.us/EdI7ik
[00:05] <gxt> tharkun: VISUAL is visual as in vim opposed to ed, not as in GUI.
[00:05] <gxt> tharkun: At least AFAIU.
[00:05] <tharkun> gxt: ups, thanks for heads up
[00:06] <tharkun> tomreyn: Also thanks.
[00:06] <gxt> tharkun: I might be wrong though, now that I think about it :P
[00:06] <tomreyn> gxt: oh sorry, i missed this. then i'm not sure why update-initramfs was still trying to generate modules for the 4.10.0-28 kernel... once you've rebooted i'd continue cleaning up (deborphan -an, deborphan -H, deborphan -Z, ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported, maybe bleachbit, maybe https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages )
[00:06] <JustAPerson> Get stuck at the dreaded purple boot screen of doom. If I boot without `quiet splash` in the grub config, I can see it gets stuck on the step "Starting Flush Journal to Persistent Storage". Any advice?
[00:10] <gxt> tharkun: No, I was right https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/4861 "Nowadays, you can leave EDITOR unset or set it to vi -e"
[00:11] <tharkun> gxt: Thanks for your time looking it up.
[00:12] <tomreyn> "select-editor"
[00:15] <gxt> tomreyn: Thanks for the advice, but `deborphan -an | wc -l` => 408 …another day :P
[00:15] <JustAPerson> How to fix "PKCS#7 signature not signed with a trusted key" kernel msg when booting? I was getting this before, so I removed nvidia drivers. That fixed it. I reinstalled them and I get it again? I already disabled Secure Boot
[00:16] <tomreyn> gxt: maybe start by omitting n. but another day will be fine. ;-)
[00:16] <gxt> tomreyn: I did, and it was still >100 :)
[00:17] <tomreyn> much work ahead of you ;)
[00:17] <apetresc> My local mirror still doesn't see the new release yet, sigh :(
[00:18] <tomreyn> JustAPerson: i think this message is only printed when secureboot takes place. did you really disable it in the mainboard firmware configuration UI (what was formerly known as 'BIOS setup utility')?
[00:18] <gxt> tomreyn: Just so I understand, the packages listed by `deborphan -a` are completely unused, not just unrequired but optionally useful for some required ones?
[00:19] <gxt> tomreyn: Well I am off to sleep now, thank you for your patience and help!
[00:20] <tomreyn> gxt: those are packages which deborphan has guessed are not actually needed anymore. i don't know exactly how it guesses, and it doesn't always guess right. consider it a good hint, but you will still need to use at least the two main parts of your brains.
[00:21] <tomreyn> you're welcome, have a good night
[00:22] <JustAPerson> tomreyn: I entered the motherboard settings but I'm not sure I disabled the correct thing, as Gigabyte's settings is pretty badly explained. I tried using `mokutil --disable-validation` disable Secure Boot as well
[00:33] <tomreyn> JustAPerson: normally you'll have a page or section dedicated to secure boot there. but IIRC gigabytes' UEFI configuration GUIs for consumer boards just have a property keyword search, maybe that's what you have there. those are terrible.
[00:40] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04 Trying to open /boot/grub/grub.d  I have used gedit,vi,nano but none will open file in text mode
[00:44] <tomreyn> texla: does it exist? is it a file (not a directory)?
[00:45] <tomreyn> maybe you're looking for /etc/grub.d/ instead?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> texla: ^^ ' ls -al /boot/grub/ ' - do you see grub.d listed ?
[00:46] <texla> tomreyn, It opens a panel with the designation at the top
[00:46] <tomreyn> texla: what is "it"?
[00:46] <tharkun> IIRC there was this top like utility that showed you what programs where munching away your battery and you could do something about it. Can someone slap me on the right direction?
[00:47] <tomreyn> tharkun: intel powertop
[00:47] <tharkun> tomreyn: Thank
[00:48] <texla> tomreyn, It is to be used to make changes to the grub.cfg file
[00:49] <eelstrebor> are the virtual machines using the same vpn tunnel as the host?
[00:49] <tomreyn> texla: maybe you shoould more closely explain what you are trying to achieve and what pointed you to /boot/grub/grub.d
[00:49] <JustAPerson> tomreyn: there's a "Security Option" which can be changed to either "Setup" or "System" and that appears to be the only thing. Unless SecureBoot is also related to Trusted Computing or fTPM
[00:52] <tomreyn> JustAPerson: not directly related to (firmware -based) 'trusted computing/platform module'. if you have no options dedicated to "secure boot" or "secureboot" then i guess it's either not uefi booting or there's no UI for disabling secureboot.
[00:53] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: this wuastion lacks quite some context.
[00:53] <tomreyn> *question
[00:54] <texla> tomreyn, I have two ubuntu iso loaded in the grub menu they both show up as Ubuntu 18.04 the other is budgie which is also listed as Ubuntu 18.04 I want to  change the name of the one to bulgie The grub.d comes from ASK UBUNTU on the web
[00:54] <tomreyn> texla: can you point to the exact askubuntu.com page?
[00:55] <eelstrebor> well the guests get their own ip but since they're using the same interface as the host, do the guests need to get their own vpn address? not sure if i'm making sense
[01:00] <tomreyn> texla: /etc/grub.d/10_linux is the partial template which is used when /boot/grub/grub.cfg is generated using update-grub / grub-mkconfig. There, the GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR variable is referred to to set the OS name. This variable is set in /etc/default/grub
[01:01] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: you are apparently working with some kind of virtualization. there are several virtualization techniques, and most of them don't work the same way.
[01:20] <texla> tomreyn, I opened /etc/default/grub in both iso and they both read grub distributor= 'lsb release -l -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian
[01:52] <Sir_Andrei> Hi ppl.
[01:52] <Sir_Andrei> I come with a question. I'm gonna resize a partition which is encrypted with LVM2.
[01:52] <Sir_Andrei> I'm using Gparted for that purpose.
[01:52] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: lvm2 is the logical volume manager, version 2. it does not provide encryption.
[01:53] <Sir_Andrei> Hmm, oka.
[01:54] <Sir_Andrei> Well, It's a Lubuntu 18.04 installed on the entire disk. Encrypted.
[01:54] <tomreyn> full disk encryption with dmcrypt-luks then probably?
[01:55] <Sir_Andrei> Idk, I used the option which comes with the installer.
[01:55] <Sir_Andrei> Well, that's not the problem whatever.
[01:55] <Sir_Andrei> I wanna know if it's safe to resize that partition (It's the computer of a friend of mine and he wanna install Win 7 on another partition).
[01:55] <tomreyn> the installer provides this for full disk encryption, and (used to provides) ecryptfs for home directory / file system encryption
[01:57] <tomreyn> it's always safe to work on anything when you have complete, proven restorable, efficient, remote (and maybe local, too) backups.
[01:57] <Sir_Andrei> Well, in this case is not important lol, he uses the computer to play Dota2.
[01:59] <tomreyn> if no backups are needed, then there can be no data loss. if there can be no data loss, working with partitions is probably safe, as long as you planned it well.
[01:59] <Sir_Andrei> Nice C:
[02:00] <tomreyn> so the goal is to resize a partition, i.e. rewrite the partiiton table. this can be done with gparted. however, gparted may not be able to handle full disk encryption nor lvm.
[02:01] <tomreyn> generally you need to resize the uppermost layer first, this is usually a file system, then the intermediary layers, one by one, working from top to bottom, until you end up at the partition table.
[02:03] <tomreyn> once you know exactly how those block device layers are stacked, make a plan and note down the commands to use to carry this out.
[02:04] <tomreyn> keep in mind that every layer usually requires some storage by itself, so inner / upper layers need to be smaller than outer / lower layers
[02:04] <tomreyn> the outmost layer is the actual storage, which usually a partition table will reside on.
[02:09] <Sir_Andrei> Oki
[02:09] <tomreyn> according to https://gparted.org/features.php gparted can actually shrink (dmcrypt-)luks containers and lvm2 physical volumes (but maybe not logical volumes?). so maybe you just need to shrink the file system and LVM2 logical volume (LV) manually (unless there is unpartitioned space on that physical volume anyways).
[02:09] <tomreyn> ...and the rest can be done by gparted
[02:15] <JustAPerson> Desktop just froze. I can move cursor around but nothing else. Click on stuff has no effect, and nothing on the screen (like clock) is updating (except for cursor moving around, oddly it will event change icons depending what I move cursor over). I can't Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch TTYs. This happened 10 minutes ago and only thing that worked was Alt+SysReq+{REISUB}
[02:18] <JustAPerson> Since this has happened twice (both just a few minutes after booting) how do I debug this?
[02:23] <tomreyn> JustAPerson: check dmesg, syslog
[02:24] <Alexand{er|ra}> I've got a friend here using Ubuntu. Every time they run the update manager and tell it to install the available updates, it crashes. Any idea how to fix it?
[02:24] <tomreyn> JustAPerson: also ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.*.log if it's >= ubuntu 17.10 or /var/log/Xorg.*.log if it's 16.10 or lower.
[02:25] <Alexand{er|ra}> Updating via the command line works, but they'd rather do it via the GUI. I mean, that's one of the advantages of Ubuntu.
[02:25] <tomreyn> Alexand{er|ra}: no, but run it from a temrinal to get a better idea of what's wrong.
[02:26] <tomreyn> any warnings or errors with these? sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:27] <tomreyn> you can simulate the latter by adding -s, thus not breaking the situation which causes the GUI to fail.
[02:27] <Alexand{er|ra}> tomreyn: I tried that already, if you mean running "update-manager" on the command line. It crashes in the same spot, but leaves no error messages when it does.
[02:27] <tomreyn> Alexand{er|ra}: no, i mean using apt or apt-get
[02:28] <Alexand{er|ra}> Apt-get works without error.
[02:28] <tomreyn> also without warning?
[02:28] <tomreyn> (running update-manager from CLI was a good idea, too.)
[02:29] <Alexand{er|ra}> THey said there's no warnings when they do that as well.
[02:30] <Alexand{er|ra}> It looks like it only started happening after they updated from Ubuntu 14.04 to 18.04. Maybe it's an upgrade error?
[02:30] <tomreyn> did they upgrade from 14.04 to 18.04 in a single step?
[02:31] <tomreyn> did they use the release upgrader?
[02:32] <tomreyn> did they have ppa's enabled or PPA sourced packages installed prior to the upgrade?
[02:32] <Alexand{er|ra}> Yeah, it looks like that's what happened. They were given the option to upgrade by their GUI, and they upgraded using that directly from 14.04 to 18.04 on two machines, but only one machine is having the error now.
[02:33] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether a single step upgrade form 14.04 to 18.04 is possible. if it's offered then i guess it's possible.
[02:33] <Alexand{er|ra}> Sorry, trying to ask, but they started talking to someone that just came in. It might take a bit to see if they have any PPAs installed.
[02:34] <Alexand{er|ra}> (At a LUG right now, ha ha.)
[02:34] <Alexand{er|ra}> tomreyn: No, they don't have any PPAs or other alternate sources added.
[02:34] <tomreyn>  /var/log/upgrade/ contains information on how the ubuntu upgrade worked out, and /var/log/apt/term.log contains the latest actions apt carried out and their results.
[02:35] <tomreyn> they should probably be asking themselves, support by proxy is no fun...
[02:35] <tomreyn> that's not against you, rather to save you. ;)
[02:37] <tomreyn> normally, when an application fails on ubuntu, a window will pop up offering to report a bug. doing so may provide a workaround, and more information on what actually happened. these staged crash reports also go into /var/crash/
[02:38] <orbisvicis> what kernel would a 2014 ubuntu system be using ?
[02:38] <Alexand{er|ra}> Yeah, I know it's no fun, but I don't think they use IRC.
[02:38] <orbisvicis> long-term release
[02:38] <tomreyn> orbisvicis: depends on the ubuntu release, and whether HWE is in use
[02:39] <Alexand{er|ra}> tomreyn: "/var/log/upgrade/" doesn't seem to exist. "tail /var/log/apt/term.log" shows no errors after the updater crashes.
[02:40] <tomreyn> Alexand{er|ra}: maybe they could start doing so. installing an irc client is quick, and there is also https://webchat.freenode.net but also http://askubuntu.com
[02:40] <tomreyn> Alexand{er|ra}: maybe it's /var/log/dist-upgrade or similar, take a look at the subdirectories in /var/log
[02:46] <orbisvicis> tomreyn: I don't know the release, but it was an LTE without HWE last updated between 2010-2014
[02:53] <tomreyn> orbisvicis: ubuntu 14.04 LTS is the oldest which still has support. it comes with linux 3.13.0.160.170 by default. with HWE, it can have 4.4.0.137.117
[02:53] <tomreyn> !14.04
[02:54] <tomreyn> EOL is April 2019
[03:15] <Alexand{er|ra}> Huh. They're not sure what they did, but the updater is now working perfectly.
[03:17] <bmore> everytime I use the ubuntu app updater, auto update, I lose all my desktop settings.. any way around this?
[03:18] <salamanderrake> Is there a apt search option to narrow it down to specific package names instead of packages that have mentioned in passing the search string you are looking for in a readme somwhere?
[03:18] <bmore> im assuming it's a kernel update.
[03:18] <bmore> using 18.04
[03:19] <tomreyn> salamanderrake: --names-only
[03:20] <tomreyn> salamanderrake: also keep in mind that the search term is a regular expression.
[03:21] <bmore> learning regex is necessary.
[03:22] <tomreyn> not if it's an alphanumeric search term only, optionally with hyphons, too.
[03:22] <bmore> correct, however, opens options.
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[03:22] <salamanderrake> yeah, was never good at regular expression
[03:22] <tomreyn> Alexand{er|ra}: :) whatever, thanks for the feedback.
[03:24] <salamanderrake> Regular expression, the modern day equilivent of shaking a cup full of bones and tossing them to the ground looking for your aunties lost locket.
[03:24] <bmore> lol
[03:24] <bmore> best of luck there. ;P
[03:25] <salamanderrake> apt search c++ | grep libc++ | wc -l  == 8
[03:25] <salamanderrake> apt search --names-only  "libc++" | wc -l == 5060
[03:28] <pjs> Hi all.. the other day my gdm just stopped working. My laptop wouldn't wake from sleep, hard booted, boots fine, but just hangs. I have to alt+f2, login, startx. 18.04, I updated & dist-upgrade. See screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rancixjbihounvy/2018-10-16%2011.52.14.jpg?dl=0 - Any ideas?
[03:33] <nomoney4u> hi all, any ideas why my `sudo apt-get install openfortivpn` shows 'unable to locate package openfortivpn'?  https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/openfortivpn shows bionic has that as a default right?
[03:33] <tomreyn> salamanderrake: apt search --names-only  'libc\+\+'
[03:34] <marz_d`ghostman_> Do you guys know any tool that is good to use for note taking like domain -> ip addres?
[03:34] <marz_d`ghostman_> I mean when you're working with different domains, you want something that you can refer to for searching domain -> ip address mapping. Any tool good to use for it?
[03:35] <bmore> /dns works
[03:35] <salamanderrake> thank you tomreyn
[03:35] <Bashing-om> nomoney4u: openfortivpn is in the universe repo . Enabled ?
[03:37] <nomoney4u> oh! Bashing-om thanks :)
[04:04] <nucka> yo yo yo
[04:04] <nucka> jk
[04:04] <duoi> anyone have much luck with the Calendar app and Fastmail?
[04:05] <duoi> running ubuntu 18.04, for some reason i can't get it to sync
[04:05] <duoi> it keeps appending :443/ at the end which might be breaking it
[04:07] <nucka> hey I have done the whole install along side windows 10 and maybe I created a  efi partition before so time ago but my memory is very spotty. Also I thought if I changed uefi to legacy this is not needed but now windows 10 will not boot nor will grub find its bootloader
[04:08] <nucka> ubuntu works ok on this tablet but windows 10 is still installed but I cannot boot from it
[04:09] <nucka> bios/uefi is in legacy mode does that cause windows 10 not to boot?
[04:11] <nucka> what is a good text based patition layout to pastebin my partitions
[04:12] <nucka> fricken uefi
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> nucka: sudo fdisk -l
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | nucka start here
[04:15] <nucka> lotuspsychje: I'm thinking I fudged up by switching to legacy mode trying to get ubuntu to install and now windows dont like it
[04:17] <bmore> legacy mode can be switched in bios
[04:21] <nucka> bmore: but will ubuntu boot then
[04:21] <bmore> depends on the install of course. do you have a live usb stick?
[04:22] <nucka> yup
[04:22] <bmore> Id recommend accessing bios, changing out of legacy mode, and booting from live if you jave it.
[04:22] <nucka> ok ill try
[04:22] <bmore> k
[04:22] <Alion> hi! i Just installed Ubuntu bionic Via https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/OverSSH, And Haven't been able to login via SSH For Days NOW
[04:22] <nucka> thanks ive done this before but only once and it was two years ago I think
[04:23] <nucka> foggy to say the least
[04:23] <bmore> no worries.. come back if there's issues.
[04:24] <nucka> do you normally leave it in uefi mode ( non legacy ) then install grub to efi partition? I cant remember how that worked
[04:24] <nucka> think thats how it was
[04:25] <bmore> are you looking for a fresh install?
[04:25] <nucka> no
[04:25] <bmore> well then take it out of legacy and restart
[04:25] <nucka> k
[04:26] <Alion> The tutorial Had To be modified Viz. debootstrap Version And Then Kernel, \Header\Image\Module But That is Basic Stuff And Nothing Should Deny ssh
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> Alion: wiki is 2011 and mentions it can break your system
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Alion: you sure ssh is still running?
[04:28] <bmore> check term
[04:58] <pragomer> can I somehow scale 150% under Xorg?
[05:07] <hyperreal> pragomer: I probably have the same issue as you on my laptop. I tried googling it and the best solution was to increase the font scale to 1.2
[05:07] <pragomer> yes, I know.. thats how I did it, too. Scaling the fonts..
[05:07] <hyperreal> when I tried scaling to 150% with xrandr the desktop became fuzzy
[05:08] <pragomer> but its a pity because, for example, the window borders and button stay too tiny, etc..
[05:08] <hyperreal> I know :/
[05:08] <pragomer> I know it works fine with 150% with wayland session
[05:08] <pragomer> but dont know how fine wayland will work with my programs. maybe I just have to check that out...
[05:09] <pragomer> in wayland it is called "fractal scaling" or so...
[05:09] <hyperreal> ah
[05:09] <hyperreal> I'll have to try that too
[05:30] <Epic_Null> Hi. I'm trying to get bind9 working on an ubuntu server, but systemctl status bind9 is showing that it has failed. I have generated a new VM and attempted to run it out of the box with no change other than uncommmenting the forwarders and replacing the 0.0.0.0 with 8.8.8.8
[05:30] <Goop> So recently I was able to plug in my headphones to my Ubuntu 18.04 laptop, but now I am not getting any sound. I think it may because I did a apt install of "mono-complete", "xdotool" and "libappindicator3-0.1-cil-dev". I have purged all of these, and it still will not allow me to hear what is going on in my headphones. I am also using ubuntu-unity-desktop instead of the 18.04 default desktop as well.
[05:45] <Epic_Null> never mind I found it
[05:46] <kedarapte> is there a way to get athe App icon to the start of the Ubuntu dock on Ubuntu 18.04
[05:54] <Goop> kedarapte, what do you mean?
[05:56] <pragomer> i think he means moving the activities button from top to bottom
[05:56] <pragomer> this is possible in gnome-tweak-tool I think
[05:58] <kedarapte> yes
[05:58] <kedarapte> gnome tweak tool I could not find the setting
[06:00] <nikolam> Hi I have some "ureportable" bug rpeort popping up in the rpevious weeks, about segmentation fault in package libwebkit2gtk
[06:00] <nikolam> It popos up in GUI as internal ubuntu errorto report, and I used to report it several times (by automatic submitting)
[06:01] <nikolam> But is says: "You have some obsolete package versions installed.." uunder UnreportableReason
[06:01] <nikolam> packages libblkid1, libmount1, libsmartcols1, uuid-runtime  and system is regularly updated..
[06:02] <pragomer> how can I scale qt-apps (like virtualox) under gnome hidpi? I can increase font size in tweak-tool but this does not affect qt-apps
[06:02] <nikolam> it's about WebKitWebProcess , crashing with segmentation fault
[06:03] <nikolam> So even I am reportig it automatically, since there is unreportable state and I AM updated, what elese could I do?
[06:04] <nikolam> It is 18.04 LTS
[06:05] <nooodlesnode> so I was here from a livedisk earlier and cannot get ubuntu to boot unless I installed in legacy bios mode instead efi
[06:05] <nikolam> pragomer, maybe it's like Kubuntu people do it? Maybe ask them specifically for QT/KDE apps?
[06:05] <Goop> I'm not sure if someone answered my question regarding getting my headphones to work or not.
[06:05] <Goop> Could someone help me with the headphone jack question please?
[06:06] <nooodlesnode> its acer switch 12 with a damn efi bios
[06:06] <nikolam> nooodlesnode, maybe you can report a bug report, stating your hardware and firmware versions or report it also to your hardware/motherboard manufacturer and Ubuntu and see if you have updated MoBo firmware
[06:07] <nooodlesnode> I tried reenabling secure boot and even tried installing grub to the efi partition and selecting the trusted .efi file in the bios and now only windows will boot
[06:10] <ledeni> Goop: run 'alsamixer' in terminal ans see it is jack port mute
[06:12] <nooodlesnode> this secure boot shit is fucking bullshit
[06:13] <ledeni> Goop: normally plug in headphones
[06:14] <kraiskil> My machine (Ubuntu 18.04) is automatically started by the BIOS and shutdown by cron with 'shutdown -h now' every day. Now randomly (once a week?) the machine is not halted but rebooted, and I have no idea where to even look for clues.
[06:14] <kraiskil> I tried 'shutdown -h now' from the command line several (20?) times, and it always halted.
[06:15] <nooodlesnode> maybe I have to created a /boot partition as well
[06:15] <Goop> ledeni, I have actually created a more detailed explanation at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085117/18-04-headphone-jack-no-sound-after-installing-remotemouse if you would consider looking at it please.
[06:20] <Goop> ledeni, so I have looked at that thing, and I didn't notice that I needed to pick a sound card.
[06:21] <ledeni> Goop: plug in headphones;run alsamixer; select  f5 --(to see all )
[06:26] <Goop> ledeni, so I do see one where it is "speaker" then there is a "mute mute".
[06:26] <Goop> How do I fix this?
[06:29] <Goop> Actually, it looks like it just mutes the speaker when I plug it in, which is pretty reasonable.
[06:29] <Goop> ledeni, when I look at the "headphone" when it's plugged in, it shows "dB gain: 0.00, 0.00"
[06:30] <ledeni> Goop: easy with <> navigate to headphones and +- increase or decrease volume of headphones
[06:31] <ledeni> Goop: all in alsamixer
[06:32] <Goop> ledeni, still nothing.
[06:36] <ledeni> Goop: do you have option headphone or not
[06:37] <Goop> ledeni, it's like the computer is pushing sound to the headphones, and it thinks it's pushing, but it's not actually pushing to sound to my headphones.
[06:37] <Goop> These earbuds work, and this headphone jack worked earlier today before I installed mono-complete.
[06:39] <ledeni> Goop: did you check headphons
[06:40] <Goop> ledeni, what do you mean?
[06:41] <ledeni> Goop: did you check headphones like plug else where
[06:42] <Goop> ledeni, oh yes. It works with my phone.
[06:43] <ledeni> Goop: ok
[06:44] <Goop> ledeni, what is the "OO" and "MM" underneath the bar graphs in the alsamixer? Whenever I try to adjust all the settings to match the speaker's settings when the jack is unplugged, it keeps all the settings except for the "OO" and "MM".
[06:46] <Goop> ledeni, did you look at my askubuntu question?
[06:47] <ledeni> Goop: 00 0 left 0 right mm max left max right
[06:47] <ledeni> Goop:  yes
[06:48] <Goop> Sorry, I just had internet issues. I didn't get anything past 23:46:22
[06:49] <Goop> Did you say anything other than "Goop: 00 0 left 0 right mm max left max right" and "Goop:  yes"?
[06:49] <ledeni> Goop: no
[06:50] <Goop> What am I supposed to do with those numbers and stuff that you sent?
[06:51] <ypatra> hi guys
[06:51] <ledeni> Goop: that is just explanation of your q
[06:51] <ypatra> how do you install libpng12.so.0
[06:51] <ypatra> ?
[06:52] <Goop> ypatra, sounds like you're trying to get a piece of software to work. If so, it would help if you gave us what you're trying to run that needs it.
[06:53] <ypatra> i just downloaded champion of regnum
[06:53] <ypatra> it run on linux too
[06:53] <ypatra> when i run rolaunch it said missing file of libpng12.so.0
[06:53] <ledeni> Goop: in term 'cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999'
[06:59] <Goop> ledeni, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zMb2BJxT5x/
[07:06] <ledeni> Goop: when you run pavucontrol can you see it is headphone plug in or not
[07:06] <Sterist> what's the "new" / alternative method to use nautilus as root? with gksu gone
[07:08] <Goop> ledeni, I can see it plug in.
[07:09] <Goop> Sterist, it will break a few things here and there (like opening the trash), but use sudo nautilus
[07:10] <Goop> If you want to be able to close the terminal and keep nautilus open, use: "sudo nautilus &" next command: "disown %1"
[07:10] <Sterist> I just want to switch around a few files in localhost
[07:11] <Goop> Sterist, Um..... That is not specific at all. localhost is a networking term. One does not simply "switch around a few files" in an ip address.
[07:11] <lotus|NUC> Goop: sudo GUI things isnt the best idea
[07:12] <Sterist> localhost is a server hosted locally, I need to switch files on the local server.
[07:12] <Sterist> at /var/www/
[07:12] <Goop> lotus|NUC, there have been times where I've wanted to use nautilus in sudo. Hence, I said it would break a few things.
[07:12] <ledeni> Goop: 'sudo alsa force-reload'
[07:12] <Goop> Sterist, okay now we're getting somewhere. You would like to switch around files with an Apache webserver, I am guessing.
[07:13] <Goop> ledeni, still nothing.
[07:14] <Goop> ledeni, maybe I'll try a reboot.
[07:14] <solsTiCe> hi. I just accepted to upgrade to 18.10 from the software and update prompt dailog. But nothing is happening ??
[07:15] <Goop> solsTiCe, the graphicals on Ubuntu are typically more buggy than doing things through terminal.
[07:15] <ledeni> Goop: need to reboot
[07:15] <Goop> solsTiCe, I would suggest doing a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal.
[07:16] <ypatra> it fix now
[07:16] <ypatra> :)
[07:17] <ypatra> any one know mmorpg 2018 for ubuntu
[07:17] <ypatra> ?
[07:17] <Goop> ledeni, still nothing.
[07:19] <ledeni> Goop: ok can you 'sudo apt remove --purge alsa-base pulseaudio' and 'sudo apt install alsa-base pulseaudio' reboot
[07:20] <solsTiCe> Goop: do-release-upgrade notified me I needed to upgraded all package first. There was one package to update
[07:23] <Goop> solsTiCe, sorry it's a pure guess now. Can you just upgrade/update all the packages you need?
[07:24] <solsTiCe> Goop: yes. it's done. the upgrade has began. I run do-release-upgrade after `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-update`
[07:25] <ducasse> solsTiCe: do you have any ppas active?
[07:26] <solsTiCe> yes. they have been disabled by the upgrade tool. why ?
[07:26] <ducasse> solsTiCe: if so, we usually recommend purging them before you upgrade to avoid problems (disabling them is not enough)
[07:27] <jluc> hello
[07:27] <lotus|NUC> welcome jluc
[07:27] <jluc> is there a way to read aa files on ubuntu ?
[07:27] <ducasse> solsTiCe: they can cause dependency conflicts
[07:28] <solsTiCe> too late. I am not gonna do that now the upgrade is launched
[07:28] <lotus|NUC> jluc: try mplayer
[07:29] <ducasse> solsTiCe: then now is a good time to read the release notes :)
[07:32] <Goop> ledeni, still nothing.
[07:32] <Goop> ledeni, still nothing.
[07:32] <Goop> Internet issues, sorry if I missed anything!
[07:33] <ledeni> Goop sorry out of ideas
[07:36] <Shibe> when will we be able to upgrade to ubuntu 18.10 from 18.04?
[07:36] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: 18.10 is out
[07:36] <Shibe> lotus|NUC: how can i upgrade?
[07:37] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: is your current system up to date?
[07:37] <Shibe> lotus|NUC: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:37] <Shibe> when i call apt upgrade
[07:38] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: do-release-upgrade
[07:38] <Shibe> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[07:38] <Shibe> No new release found.
[07:38] <Shibe> do i need to remove some ppas?
[07:39] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: we advice so yes
[07:41] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: did you sudo apt update also?
[07:42] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: doublecheck if you have 'check for new versions' enabled in your software&sources too
[07:43] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: i presume you are upgrading from LTS, to non-lts
[07:43] <Shibe> lotus|NUC: yes
[07:43] <lotus|NUC> Shibe: your settings (could) set only check for LTS versions for example
[07:44] <troozers> Hi Gurus, I had to bare metal re-install Ubuntu on my PC (so I went with Ubuntu 18.10)... I overwrote the previous OS installation, but didn't touch the mdadm disks I had in there.  I can't seem to mount the mdadm raid any more.  Keeps coming back like it doesn't have a filesystem on there.
[07:44] <ducasse> Shibe: don't just remove them, purge them
[07:44] <ducasse> !ppa-purge | Shibe
[07:44] <troozers> looking at /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf it seems to have rebuilt the array
[07:46] <troozers> Previous installation was Ubuntu 18.04
[07:48] <Shibe> lotus|NUC: it seems to be upgrading now that i purged fingerprint-gui
[07:48] <lotus|NUC> !cookie | ducasse
[07:50] <tombee> Hi there, I'm just wondering if anyone has any advice on getting an Ubuntu install off a netinstall/minimal iso using an unattended preseed config.  I can't seem to get it to work  using a /cdrom path at all, and from googling around, others seem to have faced the same issue.
[07:51] <tombee> The alternative I've seen is that instead of just remastering the iso to include a preseed.cfg file, to also append the preseed.cfg to initrd and then remaster.
[07:51] <solsTiCe> livepatch is not gonna work on 18.10. only LTS. so I can uninstall it after all ?
[07:54] <lotus|NUC> solsTiCe: you want to purge livepatch?
[07:54] <kundancool> fresh installed Ubuntu and sublime getting these error
[07:54] <kundancool> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GMRXxHRQMt/
[07:55] <solsTiCe> lotus|NUC: yes. remove the snap. it's gonna be usefull if it only works for LTS like 18.04
[07:55] <lotus|NUC> solsTiCe: the users choice to enable or disable livepatch
[07:56] <Shibe> thanks lotus|NUC and ducasse, seems to be going smoothly now
[07:56] <lotus|NUC> !yay | Shibe
[07:57] <solsTiCe> it's NOT gonna be usefull on 18.10 if it only works on LTS like 18.04, right ?
[07:57] <solsTiCe> why are you guys so afraid to remove junk ? is that that by ignorance ?
[07:58] <solsTiCe> that it breaks something ?
[08:02] <lotus|NUC> solsTiCe: we never said you cant remove..
[08:02] <lotus|NUC> solsTiCe: its your system, do what you like
[08:02] <solsTiCe> again. you see the FUD here. as if I am gonna broke something by removing it
[08:03] <solsTiCe> it's like a patch on a wooden leg. It's gonna do anyhting usefull
[08:03] <ducasse> solsTiCe: you're not likely to break anything, no
[08:05] <solsTiCe> I wonder if it was really usefull any way, because I was ask to reboot as often as before
[08:05] <solsTiCe> was it even working ?
[08:06] <lotus|NUC> solsTiCe: come discuss it at #ubuntu-discuss
[08:06] <Goop> ledeni, good news, I solved and answered my own question!
[08:06] <Goop> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085117/18-04-headphone-jack-no-sound-after-installing-remotemouse/1085162#1085162
[08:06] <Goop> Good night!
[08:22] <TomyWork> seriously, muon updater needs to show the old AND new version
[08:23] <TomyWork> i can't properly use thunderbird now, since 2/3 of my addons stopped working
[08:24] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: are you talking about thunderbird from apt vs the snap version?
[08:25] <TomyWork> would snaps show up in muon updater?
[08:25] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: well i dont use muon, but before you download a package, it should show you the version no?
[08:26] <TomyWork> the new version, yes
[08:26] <TomyWork> not the old one
[08:26] <TomyWork> if i see i'm updating from 5x to 60, i know what's going on
[08:26] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: lets start from the start, wich (k-ubuntu version are you on?
[08:26] <TomyWork> 14.04
[08:27] <lotus|NUC> !info thunderbird trusty
[08:27] <lotus|NUC> is this the version you have TomyWork
[08:27] <TomyWork> sounds about right
[08:28] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: and you didnt add thunderbird ppa's or anything right?
[08:29] <TomyWork> /var/log/apt/history.log shows thunderbird:amd64 (52.9.1+build3-0ubuntu0.14.04.1, 60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2)
[08:29] <TomyWork> for yesterday evening
[08:30] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: ok good mate, i dont see relevant bugs existing yet, could you create one please?
[08:30] <TomyWork> against muon updater or against thunderbird?
[08:31] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: ubuntu-bug thunderbird
[08:31] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: in the description, add your personal story, wich addons arent working anymore etc
[08:31] <TomyWork> this isn't really a bug. upstream removed some (likely deprecated) APIs and they won't add them back
[08:32] <TomyWork> and adding them back in a patch is probably not feasible
[08:32] <TomyWork> so I don't see what good opening a bug would do
[08:32] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: tell us more about those addons/api's?
[08:33] <TomyWork> i don't know
[08:33] <TomyWork> probably analogous to what happened in firefox 60
[08:34] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: well i dont know wich addons you talking about, but 'if' they are externally maintained, you could ask the proper maintainer?
[08:35] <TomyWork> yeah, looks like thunderbird is now using quantum as well: "CHANGED Thunderbird now uses the latest Rust-based Mozilla technology, including Quantum's CSS engine (based on Servo) and encoding_rs, for displaying and encoding messages"
[08:37] <TomyWork> lotus|NUC i dont know why you are asking me questions about thunderbird tbh. I think muon updater should show the old and new version because, frankly, I don't know all the package versions in my system and I'd like to be alerted of a major version bump before I install it
[08:37] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: when updates are available, ubuntu updates them..
[08:37] <TomyWork> no it doesn't
[08:38] <TomyWork> when I click update, it installs the selected updates.
[08:38] <TomyWork> big difference. this isn't windows 10.
[08:39] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: its not safe to keep using older packages in ubuntu
[08:39] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: so when a new version is available==> update
[08:40] <TomyWork> i am aware, but given the choice between being safe and hitting a deadline...
[08:40] <lotus|NUC> dealine?
[08:40] <TomyWork> yes, some people have deadlines
[08:41] <TomyWork> fortunately, I don't have any right now, so I can work on fixing the issues caused by the major version update. but you see the source of my hesitation?
[08:41] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: its not ubuntu's fault users have a dealine right?
[08:42] <TomyWork> it's called a deadline. aka. a time when a certain task has to be finished
[08:42] <TomyWork> meeting a deadline is usually more important than installing a system update.
[08:51] <Hamilton> Any idea why the following doesn't work?
[08:51] <Hamilton> sudo rustup completions bash > /etc/bash_completion.d/rustup.bash-completion
[08:51] <Hamilton> bash: /etc/bash_completion.d/rustup.bash-completion: Permission denied
[08:52] <TomyWork> Hamilton  the redirection is not part of the sudo
[08:52] <TomyWork> the >
[08:53] <Hamilton> So what can I do?
[08:54] <TomyWork> sudo -i
[08:54] <TomyWork> and then run the command without sudo
[08:55] <Hamilton> TomyWork, tried it but it doesn't recognize rustup binary
[08:55] <TomyWork> ah
[08:56] <TomyWork> does rustup even need to run with sudo?
[08:56] <Hamilton> TomyWork, no, I want to add bash completions
[08:56] <TomyWork> you could write the file with tee
[08:56] <TomyWork> and then sudo that
[08:59] <Hamilton> TomyWork, I did it with direct addressing rustc in sudo mode
[08:59] <Gargoyle> Hey all. I've upgraded to 18.10. No major issues (slack and atom both segfaulted on launch, but I've removed them and replaced with snaps). However, I don't have the new theme. After playing around with native gnome session in the past, I seem to be stuck in some kind of limbo.
[09:00] <Hamilton> no major issues...slack and atom seg faluted...jesus
[09:01] <cloudy_nz> 1
[09:01] <TomyWork> Hamilton i have no idea what your last 2 lines have to do with writing a text file, but cool
[09:02] <Gargoyle> Hamilton: They are from 3rd party repos. A re-install probably would have worked fine, but it was a good excuse to switch to the snaps.
[09:08] <Gargoyle> Is there a package I can re-install to get the theme?
[09:08] <Shibe> Gargoyle: sudo apt --reinstall yaru-theme-*
[09:08] <Shibe> try that
[09:09] <lotus|NUC> Gargoyle: or install gnome-tweak-tool and see your themes section
[09:10] <solsTiCe> hi. anyone can run atom on 18.10. it's segfualting when I launch it here
[09:10] <solsTiCe> ?
[09:10] <Gargoyle> solsTiCe: Same here.
[09:11] <Gargoyle> solsTiCe: I removed it and installed the snap version (snap install atom)
[09:12] <solsTiCe> Gargoyle: humm I do'nt like snap.
[09:12] <lotus|NUC> guys, for snap support you need to contact the snap maintainer
[09:13] <solsTiCe> "This revision of snap "atom" was published using classic confinement...."
[09:13] <Gargoyle> Shibe, Thanks that worked! lotus|NUC: Already had the tweak tool, just no theme to pick.
[09:13] <TomyWork> woah, canonical developed snap? really?
[09:13] <solsTiCe> I don't use the snap. I used the pkg
[09:13] <TomyWork> these seem like such a bad idea
[09:13] <lotus|NUC> !yay | Gargoyle
[09:14] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: please if you need to discuss things: #ubuntu-discuss
[09:14] <Gargoyle> solsTiCe: "snap install atom --classic"
[09:17] <TomyWork> lotus|NUC can i at least caution users not to use snaps if they can help it?
[09:17] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: no, thats an opinion we try to leave the users choose
[09:18] <lotus|NUC> TomyWork: feel free to discuss this in #ubuntu-discuss please
[09:19] <Gargoyle> Would like to hear your thoughts on that in the other channel, TomyWork.
[09:20] <TomyWork> oh, my bad, the article i read about was on flatpak
[09:23] <TomyWork> http://flatkill.org/ if you want to read it. but again, I was wrong, this deals with flatpak, a RedHat technology, not snap.
[09:24] <blackflow> TomyWork: snaps aren't any different in that regard
[09:25] <TomyWork> i dont know, i haven't looked into it
[09:26] <TomyWork> the sandboxing might be better, the update frequency might be better
[09:26] <TomyWork> or it might not. as i said, i don't know
[09:30] <solsTiCe> Gargoyle: no. I am not gonna do this.
[09:31] <solsTiCe> by the way, all elecron based app are broken on 18.10 because of a bug in electron. You're welcome \o/
[09:32] <solsTiCe> https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/14541 https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/13972
[09:34] <solsTiCe> atom-beta is working fine.
[09:34] <solsTiCe> folks. you'll have to upgrade all your electron based app to get them to work on 18.10
[09:35] <TomyWork> s/on 18.10.*//
[09:36] <TomyWork> another thing for #ubuntu-discuss, i know :)
[09:58] <zamanf> hi
[09:59] <zamanf> I have an iphone xs and I need to know if there is any way to transfer music with ubuntu
[09:59] <zamanf> I dont have any windows
[10:00] <lotus|NUC> zamanf: install celementine
[10:00] <lotus|NUC> !iphone | zamanf
[10:01] <zamanf> thanks
[10:04] <coconut> zamanf: there is gsconnect too, although it is not part of latest ubuntu currently.
[10:04] <Cheez> Out of interest, would you not just fling stuff over with a cloud service? that's how i'd do it on any platform (linux, windows or osx). google, apple, dropbox, amazon etc, one of those providers.
[10:04] <coconut> zamanf:oh, wait, this is only for android phones.
[10:04] <coconut> sorry
[10:06] <zamanf> thought so
[10:06] <zamanf> android ftw
[10:07] <zamanf> got this iphone cuz I dont like the new samsung phones
[10:07] <zamanf> but I think I will get a meizu 16th or oneplus6t soon
[10:08] <bazhang> lets stay topical please zamanf
[10:17] <geekodour08> when I execute 'rm -r some_dir/
[10:17] <geekodour08> as root, it shows that rm: descend into directory 'dirname'?
[10:17] <geekodour08> but if i use sudo it executes easily
[10:17] <geekodour08> why
[10:17] <mooses> geekodour08: Right, the -r means 'recurse into subdirectories'
[10:18] <geekodour08> I am already root, why do I need to use sudo
[10:19] <mooses> geekodour08: You don't - it's asking you if you want to descend
[10:19] <mooses> it's a y/n thing afaik
[10:20] <geekodour08> mooses: I get that, but I am already root why does it ask if 'descend into directory'? It does not ask that when you use sudo. I usually use it when I am running as a non root user. But I am already root now(#) why do I have to use sudo here
[10:22] <mooses> geekodour08: You'd need to use the -f flag to suppress that prompt
[10:22] <mooses> rm -rf somedir
[10:22] <mooses> also you don't need the / after it, that might be causing some weirdness
[10:23] <blackflow> it's not. this is literally the second paragraph of the rm manpage.
[10:24] <mooses> right, without the -f it's going to prompt you
[10:24] <mooses> not sure why it does not if you sudo it
[10:24] <mooses> but just add the -f flag and you should be set
[10:30] <livingbeef> On gentoo, I have /usr/share/terminfo/k/konsole-256color. On ubuntu, this is missing. Any idea why and if/how I can get it? (I looked in /{lib,etc}/terminfo too)
[10:31] <mooses> livingbeef: should be part of package ncurses-term
[10:32] <livingbeef> mooses: thanks, that was it
[10:32] <mooses> livingbeef: no problem, have fun storming the castle! :-)
[10:37] <ramsub07> hi, just a quick question. is it possible to do an undo inside nano?
[10:38] <livingbeef> I didn't even realise that konsole uses xterm's terminfo by default, for whatever reason, untill the not-so-accurate terminfo caused problems for tmux+nvim
[10:41] <livingbeef> ramsub07: quick look at man page suggests that it is
[10:43] <mooses> ramsub07: only if you started nano with the -U option :(
[10:43] <mooses> sorry, -u
[10:44] <ramsub07> mooses: oh ... not a problem now, thanks. Will remember from next time
[10:44] <mooses> ramsub07: it's expermental, but if you start nano with -u you can use alt - U to undo
[10:44] <mooses> ramsub07: edit your .nanorc file and add the line:
[10:44] <mooses> set undo
[10:44] <mooses> if you don't want to remember -u all the time when starting nano
[10:44] <livingbeef> tbh learning vim will be better in the long run
[10:45] <KenSharp> For the past two days I've been having trouble getting updates from gb.archive.ubuntu.com - I don't suppose there's any known issues are there? download speeds drop drastically to around 600 B/s randomly. most of the time it's fine and I use apt-cacher-ng to mitigate any problems, but new packages are affected. I've tried direct (no cache) and the issue the same.
[10:46] <KenSharp> actually, same with archive.ubuntu.com which i assume redirects to gb
[10:47] <ramsub07> mooses: that's even better. thank you!
[10:47] <mooses> ramsub07: glad to help!
[10:47] <KenSharp> working normal again now
[10:48] <mooses> KenSharp: likely just some routing issue between you and that server or something, the internet is full of weird tubes :)
[10:48] <KenSharp> that's what I thought. I was hoping it might be something a little more simple. I blame YouTube.
[10:48] <mooses> KenSharp: I blame the earth's magnetic field
[10:48] <KenSharp> ooh, sunspots too
[10:49] <mooses> KenSharp: perhaps you need to move your computer a few feet high
[10:49] <mooses> higher*
[10:49] <mooses> KenSharp: lol
[10:49] <KenSharp> I tried moving it closer to the door but it didn't help
[10:49] <mooses> xD
[10:49] <KenSharp> Blew on the mouse too
[10:49] <KenSharp> damn, it's back. I spoke too soon. ETA 23h! Woo!
[10:50] <mooses> KenSharp: wondering what happens if you try different DNS - are you using ISP provided DNS?
[10:50] <mooses> maybe try cloudflare or google dns?
[10:50] <KenSharp> i shall give that a go
[10:50] <mooses> KenSharp: cloudflare is 1.1.1.1
[10:51] <mooses> and google is 8.8.8.8
[10:51] <KenSharp> now how am I meant to remember those? :D
[10:51] <mooses> Same way that pros remember passwords - put it on a sticky note and attach the note to the case.
[10:51] <mooses> :-)
[11:02] <ramsub07> hi, i'm able to ping a server, but not ssh into it from my computer. I however am able to SSH from other machines in the same domain. Why would this problem happen?
[11:03] <smutje> maybe some firewal settings?
[11:05] <livingbeef> if the two ssh installations have too different versions or configs, they could fail to negotiate the cypher and stuff
[11:15] <JimBuntu> ramsub07, try  ssh with -vvv  to get more verbose info.  You mentioned 'from the same domain', so my initial thought is firewall
[11:16] <ramsub07> JimBuntu: it says timed out
[11:16] <sazawal> Hello. When I run <systemctl list-units -t mount> command, I see one entry of external hard disk as media-MyHardDisk.mount Load:loaded, ACTIVE:failed, SUB:failed, even when the hard disk is not mounted. Can someone explain me what is the meaning of ACTIVE and SUB failures?
[11:16] <JimBuntu> If it's a crypto/version/negotiation thing, it will be in the vvv, timed out sounds like there is a firewall dropping the  attempt connect
[11:33] <RobBurke> Hi. I mounted an external file system using ecryptfs-recover-private to /tmp/[fs] and now I want to unmount it. But ecryptfs-umount-private returns a "no such  file or directory". Any ideas what went wrong?
[11:48] <geirha> if you named it literally [fs], you need to quote it, else it may match an f or s
[11:48] <howarthjw> has anyone ever noticed this installer gitch
[11:49] <howarthjw> on a machine needing the bcmwl-kernel-source package installed from the Live installer
[11:49] <howarthjw> that works fine *unless* you happen to also have a Nvidia graphics card
[11:50] <howarthjw> In the absence of a network connection, its seems that the installer is demanding access to the nvidia packages and since they aren't available it fouls the installation of the bcmwl-kernel-source package
[11:51] <howarthjw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1798807
[11:51] <howarthjw> Happens with the xenial, bionic and cosmic Live images
[11:51] <howarthjw> I first noticed it after I swapped out my ATI HD2600-XT for a Nvidia GTX-680
[11:51] <tachyon_> I love nvidia but I have nvidia
[11:52] <howarthjw> and discovered that this combo broke the installers ability to install the broadcom wl support
[11:53] <howarthjw> i believe it is an issue for any combination when you need the broadcom driver and some other non-free one which isn't present on the Live image in the absence of a network connection
[11:54] <howarthjw> The installer must no be bright enough to deselect those non-free drivers which can't be installed with the available debs
[11:54] <howarthjw> no=not
[11:56] <ppf> is it possible to rsync _into_ a tar.gz?
[11:56] <ppf> without detour through the FS of course
[11:57] <ioria> howarthjw, interesting....  but  YOU select the non-free drivers checking the box , not the installer
[11:57] <SwedeMike> ppf: https://superuser.com/questions/1025256/rsync-to-from-tar-archive says no.
[11:57] <ppf> :(
[11:58] <tarzeau> kind of looks broken? http://cherry.dhcp.phys.ethz.ch/fonts-3270.png
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:38] <gambl0re> hi, i cant use my external monitor at full resolution (2550x1440). max resolution i can use is 2048x1080. any ideas?
[12:39] <morrowyn> hi
[12:42] <gambl0re> hello?
[12:44] <morrowyn> Can i easily upgrade from 16.04 server to 18.10 server?
[12:44] <gambl0re> everyone is sleeping i think
[12:44] <Ool> morrowyn: easier 16.04 => 18.04 (lts jump)
[12:45] <Ool> server with a non lts , strange idea, no ?
[12:45] <gambl0re> morrowyn, lol see. i knew i would get a response after i wrote that
[12:45] <gambl0re> its called reverse psychology
[12:46] <Lachezar> Hey all. Just switched to Xubuntu 18.10. The "program pager" tool seems to have a 1px padding/border that makes clicking the buttons unexpectedly problematic, is tehre a way to remove that?
[12:51] <RobBurke> geirha, no, I don't want to name it like that, thats just an abbreviation for here. The issue is I cannot unmount my encrypted filesystem
[12:52] <Asad2005> i have upgraded to 18.10 now i have a problem with video card drivers, i have uninstalled amdgpu-pro which was on before upgrade but still can not loging with gui what else can i do?
[12:59] <tomreyn> Asad2005: review logs and get a better idea what's failing there. relevant logs may be /var/log/Xorg.*.log /var/log/gdm3/*
[12:59] <morrowyn> Thanks, but doesn't sudo do-release-upgrade want to upgrade to 18.10 or does it provide me a list I can choose from?
[13:01] <tomreyn> morrowyn: what it will offer depends on what you have selected at the bottom of the window showing when you run: software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2
[13:03] <morrowyn> thanks
[13:03] <tomreyn> morrowyn: oh, that's a server
[13:03] <morrowyn> :-)
[13:03] <tomreyn> then you'll need to edit a configuration file, buti forgot which, trying to find it...
[13:05] <tomreyn> morrowyn: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[13:05] <tomreyn> morrowyn: i would recommend upgrading to 18.04 LTS first, then to 18.10 if you really want a non LTS release on your server
[13:05] <granttrec> how can I share the Public directory? It says the required software is not installed but I have samba
[13:06] <geekodour08> I am trying to use apt pinning to get the package from bionic on a distro based on Ubuntu 16.04, Here is my preference file and source.list what am I doing wrong? http://dpaste.com/0SN25T7.txt
[13:06] <blackflow> geekodour08: what are you doing wrong? Using bionic repo on non-bionic installation.
[13:08] <geekodour08> is that not what apt pinning does? from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto ?
[13:08] <geekodour08> blackflow:
[13:09] <lotus|NUC> geekodour08: we also just support ubuntu here, not 'based on'
[13:10] <blackflow> geekodour08: it's not. apt pinning is about managing versions not about managing cross-distro dependencies and differences in ecosystem. also what lotus|NUC said.
[13:13] <EoflaOE> Hello. Because I have a dualboot system, I have managed to upgrade to 18.10. The LxQt is fine, although font hinting on non-QT or non-KDE applications who uses LXDE window styling seems not to be matching with QT or KDE applications. Setting font hinting on LXDE settings and LxQt does nothing. Image: https://imgur.com/N0r6ivX
[13:20] <geekodour08> blackflow , lotus|NUC : apt pinning, So If I were in ubuntu 16.04 and I wanted to get the version that bionic had, What would I do. My paste is about that only. I don't think it has any distro specific in it.
[13:22] <morrowyn> Yes, im going for 18.04 instead
[13:23] <morrowyn> I just happened to read up on 18.10, so I kind of forgot there was a 18.04 lts version out there
[13:26] <tomreyn> geekodour08: you would upgrade to 18.04, or look for a backport.
[13:28] <blackflow> geekodour08: backports, or in other words rebuilding package from source to match dependencies in 16.04, is the only proper way. you _might_ get lucky by using a newer pacakge via apt pinning if it doesn't have any dependencies, but those are rare.
[13:29] <blackflow> geekodour08: which package you want to install?
[13:29] <tomreyn> prometheus, which has plenty of deps
[13:32] <geekodour08> blackflow: prometheus, I've been told that the Debian maintainer is not doing backports for Ubuntu. So I guess it would be a better to something other than pinning or backports for this
[13:32] <geekodour08> to do*
[13:33] <lotus|NUC> geekodour08: or install prometheus snap?
[13:37] <Mikjaer> I am having terrible write-performance on my system, im on a i7-4770 with 16GB of memory and a 240GB Kingston SA400S3 and writing big files to the disk becomes gradually slower, when i start the write it will be around 400MB/s and slowly go down to around 1MB/s, i don't se any obvious culprits - any idea how to debug this?
[13:40] <Emcy> >this repository does not have a release file
[13:40] <Emcy> what means this?
[13:42] <tomreyn> Emcy: apt repositories need to provide a file named 'Release' to be usable, the one you have configured does not, thus isnt usable.
[13:42] <Emcy> so i just wait for them to fix it?
[13:42] <tomreyn> you may have a typo, incorrect path, or similar.
[13:42] <Emcy> i just upgraded to 18.10
[13:43] <tomreyn> is this related?
[13:43] <Emcy> yes
[13:43] <tomreyn> how?
[13:43] <Emcy> i started getting this message after i upgraded
[13:43] <Emcy> 20 minutes ago
[13:43] <tomreyn> it's possible that the apt repository you have configured just doesn't support this ubuntu release.
[13:44] <Mikjaer> Emcy: show us a pastebin dump of you sources
[13:44] <Emcy> so i have to wait for the repo maintainers to update their end for 18.10 right
[13:44] <tomreyn> so pick one of the official apt repositories or, if you manage it yourself, make your apt repository support your current ubuntu release.
[13:45] <tomreyn> or wait for them to support it, that's another option.
[13:49] <Emcy> https://my.mixtape.moe/haaefv.png
[13:49] <tomreyn> Mikjaer: do you fstrim / discard, and does it actually work? is the file system you're writing to close to full?
[13:50] <troozers> Hi Gurus, quick question around setting up an array with mdadm as I've seen several different howto's on this... some show you create the raid directly on the disk (e.g. mdmadm --create /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb...) other howtos want you to create a partition and utilise /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 etc... can it do both, which is better?
[13:50] <RobBurke> do I have to unmount my drives before shutting  doen a machine? Or does this happen automatically? Because my unmount doesnt work
[13:50] <geekodour08> tomreyn, blackflow, lotus|NUC : thanks a lot :)
[13:51] <Emcy> all those repos i added dont work except the vivaldi one
[13:51] <Emcy> i dont mind if i just have to wait for them to fix their stuff
[13:52] <tomreyn> Emcy: run this instead: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; echo; echo; echo; sudo apt-get update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[13:53] <tomreyn> it should return a url you can post here
[13:57] <Emcy> https://0bin.net/paste/KLa+FEVvujQD0wy7#pUXaOrl2lwTclLz41oWA5g5NySrNRGR0CyIWLwWTJes
[13:57] <MarkB2> Is it necessary that the Apache web server software be installed and running for Ubuntu 18.04 64-bit?
[14:01] <JuJUBee> Im trying to find the id for my wacom tablet, xinput reveils: Wacom Intuos Pro S Pad pad                id=31   [slave  pointer  (2)]
[14:01] <JuJUBee> How do I extract the 31 using something like this: xinput | grep -i Intuos | awk '{ print $7 }' | awk -F '=' '{ print $1 }'
[14:03] <JuJUBee> nm, I figured it out, I was chaning the $1 not the $7...
[14:07] <Emcy> does that help tomreyn
[14:13] <Mikjaer> tomreyn: i don't think it's the filesystem, the behaviour is the same regardless of which filesystem im using, ssd(ext4) to ssd, usb-xfat to ssd, usb to nfs, ssd to nfs, nfs to ssd ... same pattern
[14:22] <lotus|NUC> MarkB2: elaborate your question a bit more please, what do you want to do?
[14:40] <MarkB2> OOPS... buried screen.
[14:41] <MarkB2> Lotus|NUC: I noticed that the Apache server starts up on boot.  I'm not serving web pages; this is a computer at home that I tinker on.
[14:41] <MarkB2> Lotus|NUC: I was thinking of either disabling it or removing it.
[14:42] <iCherriot> After updating to ubuntu 18.10 - screen turns on, acer logo, logo disappears, screen turns off and on again, lubuntu with loading thing, some text that  dissapears quick, and then it cycles through screen off, screen on, mouse appears, screen off, etc
[14:42] <iCherriot> How would i go about fixing this
[14:43] <Asad2005> please help no gui after upgrade amdgpu, it goes to low graphic nad reconfigure doesnot work i checked logs but couldnot figure out
[14:44] <Asad2005> before upgrade i was on 18.04 with amd propritory drivers amdgpu-pro, uninstalled it no use
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: Apache is not installed by default with Ubuntu Desktop. If it was installed, it might have been flagged as a dependency of another application. If you are interested, there is a way to check on what depends on Apache to be installed. It might spark a memory what you did.
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: what did you update from?
[14:47] <iCherriot> 18.04
[14:47] <iCherriot> Using update-manager
[14:48] <iCherriot> And when i say screen turns on, i mean the backlight, the screen is still black
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: did you have to do anything to your display/graphics configuration in 18.04 to get it working. I know Acer laptops are known to have some issues running any version of Ubuntu
[14:48] <iCherriot> Not really
[14:48] <iCherriot> I had to disable secure boot but thats it
[14:49] <iCherriot> And the lubuntu logo shows so thats nit tge problem
[14:49] <iCherriot> (I installed lubuntu, then switched to xfce4)
[14:49] <ncu1> hi
[14:50] <b3knn1> Hi Neil
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: depending on the point at which things are at in the boot sequence, different components have control of the screen. Usually starting with Bios, then grub, then plymouth (ubuntu boot logo), then Xserver ... as each one takes over may indicate some of that. If you run from a live disk, do you experience the same behavior?
[14:51] <iCherriot> I dont currently have a live disk or any way to make one
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> ncu1, b3knn1: Welcome to the Ubuntu support channel. Is there an Ubuntu support issue we can try and help you with? If you would like to chat, please join our #ubuntu-offtopic channel.
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: When you did the upgrade... did you force it or what for update manager to present it to you as an option?
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> *subsitute what with wait
[14:53] <iCherriot> I just ran update-manager and it completed
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: yes, but did you manually run it, perhaps using "update-manager -d" ??
[14:54] <iCherriot> Yes, but without the -d
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: any other options passed... or just simply the app name?
[14:55] <iCherriot> Just “update-manager”
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: okay, that helps me know that you're not stuck on the dev branch or some other version.
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: My current recommendation would be to find a live disk of 18.10 and see if you experience the same thing. While you track down something to do that with, you could try using nomodeset on boot.
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> !nomodeset
[14:59] <iCherriot> Ubuntu worked perfectly fine before, and i got absolutely no way to make a live cd
[15:02] <iCherriot> I can press shift to enter grub, would that help?
[15:04] <fassl> can i disable the radeon driver for specific slots or tell it to just attach to the primary graphics card?
[15:04] <MarkB2> pragmaticenigma: Apologies.. I'm in job search and the recruiters are flooding my emailbox.  Please, I'd like to know how to check dependencies against Apache.
[15:05] <CarlFK> fassl: a long time ago I had that question about a network card.  I remember a "card=1" sort of thing.  so .. maybe?
[15:06] <CarlFK> fassl: why do you only want it to use the primary?
[15:06] <fassl> CarlFK: is that a kernel parameter specific to that driver?
[15:07] <fassl> CarlFK: i have 3 amd graphic cards and i want to pass through 2 of them to vms
[15:07] <Tm_T> hola, I noticed 18.04 doesn't give version upgrade with "do-release-upgrade" to 18.10, says there is no new release found
[15:07] <Tm_T> what to do?
[15:07] <CarlFK> fassl: I think I had to put it in a modules.conf file.  I also think it was specific to the nic driver.
[15:07] <fassl> but the radeon driver attaches to all of them, despite overriding it with vfio-pci
[15:08] <Shibe> Hi, I just updated to ubuntu 18.10, and now XDG_RUNTIME_DIR seems to be unset?
[15:08] <Shibe> is this intentional?
[15:08] <Shibe> I can't launch weston even without manually setting the runtime_dir
[15:08] <fassl> ah ok, dammit
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: When you installed 18.04, you entered the LRT release cycle. You can change your update manager to look for all new releases.
[15:09] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: I tried with -d switch, that doesn't help either
[15:09] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: but I'll double check my conf files, thanks
[15:09] <iCherriot> pragmaticenigma: i was able to go through grub and recovery boot, and now im in root console
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: If you can get to grub, add the kernel option nomodeset... see the link ubottu posted earlier
[15:09] <iCherriot> Ah ok
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: Never use the "-d" switch... that will put your machine in dev mode
[15:10] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: heh, I'm ubuntu dev, kinda, I'm fine with whatever it brings
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: Look for the "Software & updates" config tool. In there is a drop down to select which release cycle you desire
[15:10] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: I don't use gnome
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: the dev means, you will get package updates to things that are in dev, which will be full of bugs and highly unstable
[15:11] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: I know what it does
[15:11] <Tm_T> I'm saying, I'm not given upgrade even with that
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: Look at "software & upates" ... that will have the option to switch
[15:11] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: I don't have gnome
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: what do you have ?
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: It should be neraly the same for all flavors of Ubuntu
[15:12] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: KDE and terminals, but I don't use GUI package managers, also that doesn't explain why do-release-upgrade doesn't find distro upgrade
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: The command: "apt-cache showpkg apache2" under "reverse depends" will list what depends on apache2. you can also just do "apt remove apache2" and see what else is going to get removed
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: I'm getting there Tm_T ... it's not usual for users to be all command line
[15:15] <Asad2005> can i purg xorg and reinstall to have my gui back after 18.10 upgrade
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> Asad2005: no
[15:16] <Asad2005> So what to do please help
[15:17] <iCherriot> pragmaticenigma: i did nomodeset and similar thing happens
[15:17] <iCherriot> Mouse shows, mouse disappears, underscore shows in top left, it dissapears, then repeat
[15:18] <lotus|NUC> Tm_T: check your software&sources see if you have 'check for new versions enabled'
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> Asad2005: Reinstall from scratch. It will effectively be the same thing, but you won't have to track down all the other packages that were lost when purging xorg... there are a lot of dependencies on xorg and everything including the desktop will be uninstalled
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> lotus|NUC: They're not using the GUI
[15:18] <lotus|NUC> oh
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> I'm trying to track down the /etc config file...
[15:19] <ioria>  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> thansk ioria
[15:19] <ioria> ok
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: go here and change the value from "lts" to "normal": sudo vi /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:22] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: thanks, I wonder why it was lts now, I've been upgrading every version from 16.04 on this device
[15:22] <fassl> CarlFK: i found something useful https://superuser.com/questions/541854/disable-specific-pci-device-at-boot i'll try the udev rule with unbinding the radeon driver
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> If you had a fresh install all of 16.04 or 18.04 it is defaulted to LTS... any other version sets it to normal. There could have been an update to the config file at somepoint that changed it unintentionally
[15:23] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: might be, prolly the 18.04 had updated conf and I missed it
[15:23] <Tm_T> pragmaticenigma: thanks, all is good now (:
[15:27] <Asad2005> pragmaticenigma: Why reinstall from scratch if it is a gpu drivers issue only?
[15:28] <Death_Syn> Anyone got an idea when cosmic kernel backport will be available for bionic?
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> Asad2005: I just told you... purging xorg will removing all GUI based applications.
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> Asad2005: At that point, you might as well just start fresh
[15:28] <Death_Syn> i've got a thinkpad e485 that could use the radeon vega m help
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> Death_Syn: It won't... that's what HWE is for
[15:28] <TJ-> Death_Syn: 4.18 is in bionic-proposed
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> i retract my comment
[15:29] <Death_Syn> Thanks!
[15:29] <Asad2005> pragmaticenigma: Sorry i misunderstood you
[15:29] <TJ-> Death_Syn: -> linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-18.04-edge/bionic-proposed,now 4.18.0.8.58 amd64 [installed]
[15:29] <TJ-> Death_Syn: the 'generic' version is also there
[15:29] <Death_Syn> awesome.  I'll work my apt pinning accordingly
[15:30] <TJ-> Death_Syn: install the hwe-18.04-edge package and you don't need any pinning
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> I guess I wasn't entirely off
[15:32] <TJ-> Death_Syn: it should graduate from -proposed to -updates very soon
[15:34] <MarkB2> pragmaticenigma: There's more than a page of "Reverse Depends" and several inches of "Dependencies". Two "Provides:" and nothing under "Reverse Provides".
[15:34] <nowayy> So I'm installing Ubuntu Xenial (16.04.5) I get the .iso from here http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ It has linux 4.4 right? The file is pretty large, 1.5G
[15:36] <CarlFK> fassl:  this looks relevant:    BusID  "bus-id"               This  specifies  the  bus  location  of  the graphics card.  For PCI/AGP cards, the               bus-id string has  the  form  PCI:bus@domain:device:function  (e.g.,  “PCI:1@0:0:0”
[15:36] <CarlFK> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/en/man5/xorg.conf.5.html
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: ioria: do either of you know an accurate way of determining what depends on a package? For only things that are actually installed?
[15:36] <MarkB2> pragmaticenigma: If I remove apache then is it possible to damage the rest of Ubuntu?  I once went to remove one package...and apt announced it was going to remove something like 300M of files.
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: That's what I'm hoping to avoid for you
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: When in doubt, disabling the service is just as easy and safer
[15:37] <MarkB2> pragmaticenigma: If you were standing next to me, I'd buy you lunch right now.
[15:37] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, apt-cache rdepends --installed pkg
[15:37] <Death_Syn> good to know
[15:38] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, or apt-cache depends --installed pkg
[15:39] <MarkB2> ioria: Now THAT one is worth writing down.
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: This should reduce that list: apt-cache rdepends --installed apache2
[15:39] <CarlFK> fassl: BusID also mentioned https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850578
[15:39] <MarkB2> Trying now...
[15:40] <ioria> MarkB2, but if you want to get rid of apache,  just  do   sudo systemctl stop apache2 && sudo systemctl disable apache2
[15:40] <MarkB2> Only two items!!   apache2-doc and javascript-common
[15:41] <MarkB2> That should stop and disable the service without removal, correct?
[15:41] <ioria> yup
[15:41] <MarkB2> I swear, Canonical should put the BUNCH of you on payroll.
[15:43] <eraserpencil> q
[15:43] <leftyfb> MarkB2: some of us used to be :)
[15:43] <OerHeks> !cookie | pragmaticenigma
[15:44] <MarkB2> USED to be?  What, they let you escape?
[15:44] <MarkB2> !cookie | ioria
[15:44] <ioria> hehehe
[15:44] <iCherriot> pragmaticenigma: nomodeset noplymouth nosplash seems to have fixed it (recommended by friend)
[15:45] <MarkB2> !cookie | pragmaticenigma
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> iCherriot: cool... nosplash is a bummer... all that scrolling text!
[15:46] <iCherriot> Not sure exactly which option fixed it (nomodeset by itself didnt work)
[15:47] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: funny you should ask that; I was wondering the same thing earlier whilst clearing out some stray KDE/plasma packages and libraries.
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: not sure what I asked?
[15:49] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I vaguely recall tomreyn alluding to something like it some time ago but can't recall what it was
[15:50] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma:  "TJ-: ioria: do either of you know an accurate way of determining what depends on a package?"
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> oh... between ioria and some interwebs we found it
[15:50] <TJ-> you did?
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: apt-cache rdepends --installed <package>
[15:51] <TJ-> hmm, didn't realise "--installed" was a valid option, that must recent
[16:16] <coconut> !codecs
[16:52] <boredguy> do the latest versions of ubuntu offer drivers for legacy amd hardware?
[16:53] <boredguy> my notebook just overheats and shuts down with 18.04
[16:53] <boredguy> 14.04 worked fine with the catalyst drivers
[16:55] <tripelb> How do I find the people who might be building wifi drivers for my HP laptop (HP has no linux drivers afaik but 18.04 doesnt see near so far as win10) -- I want to get in communication with those driver-building folk.
[16:55] <tripelb> ??
[16:58] <TJ-> tripelb: sounds unusual; what's the hardware?
[16:59] <Jackneill> hey
[16:59] <tripelb> TJ-, i see what you said. I will pastbin the lshw
[16:59] <Jackneill> after an upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10 i cant play any videos or audio files. any idea?
[17:00] <TJ-> tripelb: "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )" is the best command to start with
[17:00] <TJ-> Jackneill: play using what application?
[17:00] <Jackneill> TJ-, everything
[17:01] <Jackneill> firefox youtube doesnt work, mp4 with totem movie player ot mpv doesnt work
[17:01] <TJ-> what container/codecs do these media files use?
[17:01] <tripelb> TJ-, here https://pastebin.com/uSg1mq8y  you'll be charmed at the title of the paste.
[17:01] <TJ-> Jackneill: so mpeg4/aac maybe?
[17:02] <Jackneill> TJ-, the mp4 is aac 2ch 800hz
[17:02] <Jackneill> but nothing else works either
[17:02] <Jackneill> so the problem lies deeper.
[17:02] <Jackneill> totem gives me that codecs are require for this file and takes to the the install store
[17:03] <Jackneill> then luists 3 gstreamer apps that are installed.
[17:03] <TJ-> tripelb: So "RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter" which is using the rtl8723be driver?
[17:04] <TJ-> Jackneill: hmmm, I can't help you there - I don't use the Gnome desktop but it sounds very weird if the do-release-upgrade caused that. It suggests some packages were removeed and not replaced. Did you have some PPAs enabled previosuly ?
[17:04] <Jackneill> TJ-, MPV OUTPUT OF MP4: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2qscHBxWTV/
[17:04] <Jackneill> i use cinnamon on ubuntu
[17:04] <Jackneill> but that doesnt matter
[17:05] <Jackneill> i had a custom ppa
[17:05] <Jackneill> but that unrelated
[17:05] <Jackneill> thats*
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> tripelb: That wireless card should be working. The drivers for it were merged with the kernel a few years ago
[17:05] <Jackneill> since nothing was installed form there
[17:05] <TJ-> Jackneill: what does this report? "pastebinit <( aplay -l )"
[17:06] <TJ-> tripelb: the Wifi has an IP address too, so what is the actual problem you have?
[17:07] <TJ-> tripelb: pragmaticenigma did you notice it shows the "RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller" link 10Mb/s and half/duplex!?
[17:08] <Jackneill> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BbG3vd3xb3/
[17:08] <tripelb> I can see many (15 or so) wifi sources in win10 and I can only see the one in my apt on ubuntu. And the wifi drops which is partly the providers problem for sure. I know that at some time I may want to use a wifi not in my home. So it seems like something to work on/learn about now.
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> didn't look there TJ- .... went directly for the wifi
[17:08] <tripelb> TJ-,
[17:08] <tripelb> TJ-,   ^^^
[17:08] <TJ-> tripelb: OK, so it's a scanning/discovery issue
[17:08] <tripelb> right. afaik
[17:09] <tripelb> and an opportunity to learn something about drivers
[17:09] <TJ-> Jackneill: is it possible the incorrect device is being selected (HDMI not device 0 analog) ?
[17:09]  * tripelb learned about automobiles in this same way, really attend to what is coming up atm. TJ- 
[17:10] <pragmaticenigma> tripelb: drivers aren't the issue though. The card is finding APs, meaning the driver is functioning. It would be more in a configuration and setup that causing the problem
[17:10] <TJ-> tripelb: "sudo iwlist wlp2s0 scan"
[17:10] <tripelb> OK pragmaticenigma keep talking
[17:10] <tripelb> I will do that command TJ-
[17:11] <Jackneill> TJ-, why would an upgrade do something like that? anyway it seems like as i left it
[17:11] <TJ-> tripelb: also this will show what channels/frequences are usable: "iwlist wlp2s0 freq"
[17:11] <Jackneill> headphones
[17:11] <Jackneill> from usb
[17:11] <TJ-> Jackneill: I'm not sure, I'm just trying to reduce the problem space by testing hypothesis
[17:11] <Jackneill> right
[17:12] <Jackneill> test sound doesnt work either from mono or stereo
[17:13] <TJ-> Jackneill: there's another possibility just occurred to me: what does "groups" report ?
[17:14] <Jackneill> my username's grouzp, adm, sudo, lpadmin sambashare
[17:14] <Jackneill> audio is missing
[17:14] <pragmaticenigma> yep
[17:14] <TJ-> Jackneill: Hmmm, try "groups $USER"
[17:14] <Jackneill> but it was like that before and it worked as i remember
[17:15] <Jackneill> TJ-, same output
[17:15] <TJ-> Jackneill: there is a rare bug where the user session is not a member of any groups aside from their own named group, which can cause this kind of weird symptom, but you've proved that isn't the case for you
[17:15] <tripelb> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/HJ3GEH8p
[17:15] <TJ-> Jackneill: so lets dig into pulseaudio some more
[17:16] <TJ-> Jackneill: show us "pastebinit <( pactl list )"
[17:18] <Jackneill> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZHNHcZbwXw/
[17:19] <TJ-> Jackneill: that suggests the Jabra headset is currently the default output device, is that correct?
[17:19] <Jackneill> yes
[17:20] <tripelb> TJ-,  freq  https://pastebin.com/QTgjYseb
[17:20] <Alion> Am having Network problen With Ubuntu 18.04 interfaces File Look like This > https://pastebin.com/SU28mLxM But am Guessing There could be an 192.168.. In Ther
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> Alion: gateway address isn't on the same subnet?
[17:22] <TJ-> Jackneill: right, so let's now try a speaker-test. You say you've already tried that?
[17:23] <Beren> Hi, my sound isn't working on my laptop after upgrading to 18.10. `pacmd list-sinks` only shows 1 card with dummy output
[17:23] <Jackneill> TJ-, test sound from left-right
[17:23] <Jackneill> didnt hear anything.
[17:23] <TJ-> tripelb: so the wifi device is only operating in the 2.4GHz band
[17:23] <Jackneill> either in mono or stereo
[17:23] <TJ-> Jackneill: what command did you use?
[17:23] <Jackneill> cinnamon settings
[17:24] <Jackneill> but it worked before upgrade
[17:24] <tripelb> TJ-, iwlist scan:  https://pastebin.com/HJ3GEH8p  iwlist freq:  https://pastebin.com/QTgjYseb    (my lshw:  https://pastebin.com/uSg1mq8y )
[17:24] <tripelb> pragmaticenigma too,  ^^
[17:25] <TJ-> Jackneill: try this (should use the default sound device) "speaker-test -twav -c 2 -Ddefault"
[17:25] <TJ-> Jackneill: and to test the built-in use "speaker-test -twav -c 2 -Dfront"
[17:26] <Jackneill> ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:752:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Too large
[17:26] <Jackneill> Unable to set hw params for playback: Input/output error
[17:26] <Jackneill> Setting of hwparams failed: Input/output error
[17:26] <Jackneill> TJ-, swecond didnt through error but didnt hear anything
[17:26] <Jackneill> TJ-, anyway i have to go now. thanks for the help.
[17:26] <TJ-> Jackneill: right, lets try direct to a hardware device
[17:27] <TJ-> Jackneill: OK, when you're next on this use "aplay -L" to get a list of the devices you can test with speaker-test's -D option
[17:29] <TJ-> tripelb: show us "pastebinit <( iw list )"
[17:40] <Alion> pragmaticenigma, Well obviously it Need a Fix if i Were Looking For a Proverb i'd Might Be Better The Yemin
[17:41] <Alion> Channel op Just Kick me Now am Done ש
[17:41] <fassl> CarlFK: sorry was on another machine, will check your links thx
[17:42] <fassl> CarlFK: ah yeah i see, thix is just xorg matching i would say
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> All I asked was if the network setup was correct. The IP addresses assigned to the machine and subnet mask made it appear that they shouldn't work with a gateway address not on the same subnet
[17:43] <fassl> CarlFK: i got it working now with unbinding from radeon driver and immediately binding to vfio-pci via an udev pci add action
[17:48] <Beren> I resolved my sound. timidity was locking up the sound (found using sudo fuser -v /dev/snd*)
[17:48] <pjs> Hi all. I've had a hell of a time with gdm this week. I can't even get into my computer at this point. Can you all see this thread please (relevant info, photos, current status, etc.) https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2404026
[17:48] <pjs> Any help is GREATLY appreciated
[17:51] <CarlFK> fassl: yay \o/
[18:01] <TJ-> pjs: how long do you have to work on it?
[18:02] <pjs> TJ-, as long as needed lol.. I was able to get it to boot now.. I removed lightdm and gdm3
[18:02] <pjs> also enabled sshd to run on the local network so I can ssh in .. so frustrating
[18:02] <pjs> I think I'll try re-installing gdm3 now
[18:05] <TJ-> pjs: right! that is what I was going to suggest, you're on the correct lines, but I'd start off by checking the logs for clues - it looks like some hardware issues, or possibly power-management being too aggressive
[18:07] <pjs> TJ-, hrmm, I see a lingering grub option in grub.cfg that was removed from defaults but I guess I never update-grub'd
[18:07] <pjs> retrying that
[18:07] <pjs> also apt-get update is hanging for me.. anyone else? when it's hanging it's killing my CPU
[18:08] <TJ-> pjs: is it due to lost network? try "sudo apt-get -o=Debug::Acquire:http=true update"
[18:08] <coconut> Any way to set the mouse scroll speed higher?
[18:09] <younder>  Hello. I have a problem I made a mistake under install. I wanted the ubuntu install under one partion and /usr/local  under another partion so I used manual install. Unfortunately I came to select /usr instead without noticing. Is there any way I can change this without loosing data?
[18:09] <TJ-> younder: that's a nice one!
[18:09] <TJ-> younder: you can change it easiest from a liveISO boot
[18:10] <pjs> TJ-, I am running that now.. hanging, no debug output. It seems to change which server is causing the delay. Also I keep seeing "apt-key: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied"
[18:10] <TJ-> younder: you can also do it 'live'
[18:10] <TJ-> pjs: OK, then you have permissions issues
[18:10] <pragmaticenigma> younder: Changing that is really difficult once the machine is up. You can do it, live disk is the easiest method. (I've done it the hard way with moving /var, not easy)
[18:11] <pjs> TJ-, ok? what do I do? alter perm's on /dev/null lol
[18:11] <TJ-> pjs: could be apparmor related; are you able to "sudo less /var/log/auth.log" then press 'G' to goto end of log
[18:11] <TJ-> pjs: 'q' to quit the less pager
[18:11] <pjs> TJ-, done
[18:12] <TJ-> pjs: do you see any reports there of commands failing/being denied? If not, do "dmesg | less" and 'G' again then look for apparmor "denied" messages
[18:13] <pjs> TJ-, nothing.
[18:14] <pjs> TJ-, dmesg shows some various audit lines that end with "comm="apparmor_parser""
[18:14] <pjs> but no errors
[18:14] <TJ-> younder: if you want to do it live: "sudo mkdir -p /mnt/rootfs; sudo mount --bind / /mnt/rootfs; "sudo cp -a /usr/* /mnt/rootfs/usr/; sudo umount /mnt/rootfs" then edit the /etc/fstab and change the /usr mountpoint to /usr/local and reboot
[18:15] <fassl> CarlFK: yeah :) thx for the help
[18:15] <TJ-> pjs: OK, and do you see any sign of other errors. I can have a look if you are able to do "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[18:15] <younder> pragmaticenigma, I like /var /tmp /home and /usr/local in different partions. It prevents overflow in DOS attacks and eases backup and restore.
[18:16] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GKGj5xYsdC
[18:16] <younder> Thanks TJ-, I'll try that.
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> younder: mine was moving /var to a external drive on USB. This was done on a raspberry pi B first gen. No way too boot a secondary liveiso
[18:16] <TJ-> younder: on the reboot if everythin is OK, then you need to delete everything under /usr/local/ (which was the /usr/ before)
[18:18] <younder> TJ-, There is data under /usr/local. Better back it up first.
[18:20] <noln> TJ-, I read mount --bind needs --make-rprivate otherwise the umount/remounts impact the original directory, is that right? because systemd defaults to shared bind-mounts as opposed to the previous (kernel-based) default that was private mounts?
[18:21] <TJ-> younder: in which case you can move things around on the reboot before deleting the old /usr/ - e.g. "sudo mv /usr/local/usr/local /usr/local/" (so you'll keep your stuff in /usr/local/local) then you can do "sudo rm -r /usr/local/usr; sudo mv /usr/local/local/* /usr/local/; sudo rmdir /usr/local/local"
[18:21] <noln> At least under ubuntu 18.04, idk about previous releases
[18:23] <TJ-> pjs: dmesg looks perfectly fine; some CPU over-temperature throttling around line 890
[18:23] <TJ-> pjs: so it does seem like something else going on, software wise
[18:23] <pjs> TJ-, right.. so weird. This all just happened out of no where Tuesday
[18:24] <TJ-> pjs: have you checked the logs for entries around the time the first symptoms occurred?
[18:25] <TJ-> pjs: in case the upgrade went wrong it's worth checking in /var/log/apt/ for the history and terminal logs for that period
[18:26] <pjs> TJ-, I did check the logs and saw nothing that stood out to me. I only did the upgrade AFTER the problem started
[18:26] <younder> pjs, Last time I had CPU over-throttling message in dmesg it was the thermal paste that needed changing.
[18:26] <pjs> and even then the update would fail, or hang forever.. so I removed all entries in sources.list.d and tried again, still hangs on ubuntu servers
[18:26] <younder> that is under the cooler
[18:27] <TJ-> pjs: OK, hmm, this is sounding like disk corruption. It might be worth doing a checksum of the installed files, especially those that are exhibting problems
[18:27] <pjs> younder, shit really? this is a basically brand new laptop (not that it means anything).. been using it about 3 months
[18:27] <pjs> TJ-, well shit.. would that mean a reinstall is in order?
[18:27] <TJ-> pjs: try this: "sudo strace -o /tmp/apt.strace -f -e apt update" - if it hangs Ctrl+C then "pastebinit /tmp/apt.strace"
[18:28] <pjs> ok, one sec
[18:28] <younder> pjs, then probably not, I build my own. Intel's CPU paste was no good so I substituted for NH-1 and have been using it ever since.
[18:28] <TJ-> pjs: --reinstall of affected packages possibly - lets find some evidence first though
[18:29] <pjs> TJ-, strace: invalid system call 'apt'
[18:29] <TJ-> pjs: lol my typing"
[18:29] <TJ-> pjs: try this: "sudo strace -o /tmp/apt.strace -f  apt update"
[18:30] <pjs> ok, hung up again.. one sec
[18:31] <Hamilton> I reformetted a usb disk using disk software (to FAT32)
[18:31] <pjs> TJ-, holy shit, the file is 261MB :)
[18:31] <pjs> timing out for pastebinit
[18:31] <TJ-> pjs: ow!
[18:31] <Hamilton> now I can't access to it because it's owned by root
[18:31] <TJ-> pjs: hmm, how about "pastebinit <( tail -n 1000 /tmp/apt.strace )"
[18:33] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QJfgFHcJn3  (head -n 1000, tail next)
[18:33] <TJ-> pjs: it's what happens at the end that's where any clues will show
[18:34] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8xMd8cxdvs  (tail -n 1000)
[18:34] <mdemo> anybody ever try to use the pocketsphinx package? I'm guessing it doesn't come with the training data and dictionary it needs to actually work?
[18:34] <pjs> TJ-, seems like the last 1K lines are just a lot of read loops that's why I threw the head in there
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> mdemo: How and where are you installing from?
[18:35] <younder> Just installed etckeeper, it keeps a version control of etc so you can keep track of revisions and go back is something fails.
[18:36] <TJ-> pjs: looks like we missed the important part in both those!
[18:36] <pjs> let me try again and ctrl+c as soon as it hangs
[18:37] <TJ-> pjs: no, do this ..
[18:37] <mdemo> pragmaticenigma : this package https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/pocketsphinx on xenial
[18:37] <TJ-> pjs: ... identify which line it starts spinning with "grep -n 'select(4, [0 3], [], NULL, {tv_sec=30, tv_usec=0}' /tmp/apt.strace | head "
[18:38] <TJ-> pjs: we need the 1000 lines before it starts spinning
[18:38] <pjs> got it.. one sec
[18:39] <mdemo> just looking through the file lists I don't think it includes training data, maybe the github repos do
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> mdemo: Unless the training data and dictionary are self contained, they probably need to be manually installed or another package installed
[18:39] <mdemo> also they 'recommend' some unavailable packages
[18:39] <mdemo> 'pocketsphinx-hmm-en-hub4wsj' I think is one
[18:39] <TJ-> pjs: if you locate the line number as X, then you can do "pastebinit <( head -n-X /tmp/apt.strace )"
[18:40] <mdemo> that's here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libpocketsphinx3
[18:40] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f24qSkQFtx
[18:40] <pjs> TJ-, that's the entire file up until the loop starts
[18:41] <mdemo> maybe those packages were available at the time https://www.unicom.com/blog/entry/686 was written
[18:41] <TJ-> mdemo: if you look at the source package you'll find...
[18:41] <TJ-> !info pocketsphinx-en-us xenial | mdemo
[18:43] <TJ-> pjs: right, so, "waiting for headers" suggests it has opened a TCP socket and isn't getting a reply. Do you have a HTTP proxy set anywhere on the local system or on your network?
[18:43] <younder> I like the face recognition authentication. I am dying to try it.
[18:43] <pjs> TJ-, nope. The same thing happened all week when I was at a conference in SD from different locations/networks
[18:44] <pjs> TJ-, this is new behavior too. I've never had an issue running an update before this week
[18:45] <TJ-> pjs: how about re-install apt itself? if the packages are in the local cache then it doesn't need to download them. check with "ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/apt*"
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> mdemo: looks like TJ is onto something. It would make sense the package maintainers don't include the dictionary/language, as it would be a huge install for all languages. I was trying to find instruction for installing in Ubuntu, but all I see are build from scratch tutorials
[18:45] <mdemo> looks promising TJ-, thanks
[18:45] <TJ-> pjs: I'm beginning to wonder if python has been messed up - it is used under the hood by much of apt
[18:45] <pjs> TJ-, I have 3 files.. apt-config-icons, apturl, apturl-common
[18:45] <younder> If you set up apt:repositories other that the ubuntu ones they can be slow and also fail
[18:46] <TJ-> pjs: darn, we wanted "apt" alone
[18:46] <pjs> TJ-, that may make sense as I do have apt processes hogging up my CPU resources and one of them is a Python script
[18:46] <pjs> TJ- /usr/lib/update-notifer/apt-check
[18:46] <TJ-> pjs: have you done "sudo apt-get --fix-broken install"
[18:46] <pjs> TJ-, no.. let me try
[18:47] <younder> apt-get still has some featues apt does not
[18:47] <younder> features
[18:47] <pjs> TJ-, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
[18:47] <TJ-> pjs: those apt* processes are all possibly stuck in the same bind - no network reply
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> younder: Please try to refrain from commentary. If you have suggestions to help, that's great, otherwise it makes it hard to follow the conversation.
[18:47] <pjs> TJ-, that would make sense as the cpu fan comes on pretty much immediately
[18:48] <TJ-> pjs: OK, give me 5 minutes to figure out what apt is calling under the hood so we can dig much deeper
[18:48] <pjs> TJ-, seriously thank you so much!
[18:48] <TJ-> pjs: I've forgotten; this is 18.04 isn't it?
[18:48] <pjs> TJ-, yes
[18:48] <TJ-> pjs: OK, give me 5
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | younder
[18:50] <TJ-> pjs: silly question but... is there free space on disk? "pastebinit <( df -h; df -i )"
[18:51] <pjs> TJ-, should be over 320GB free.. let me pastebinit for you
[18:51] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xNGZ2Vgq9x/
[18:57] <TJ-> pjs: try a manual fetch just so we can rule out network issues to the archives: "wget -server-response -O /dev/null http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/InRelease"
[18:58] <pjs> TJ-, 2018-10-19 11:58:11 (612 KB/s) - ‘/dev/null’ saved [242048/242048]
[18:58] <TJ-> pjs: did you see the server headers ?
[18:58] <pjs> TJ-, yup
[18:59] <pjs> TJ-, Length: 242048 (236K)
[18:59] <TJ-> pjs: great, so this is related to apt or its dependencies
[18:59] <pjs> size match
[19:00] <TJ-> pjs: To save us time discovering clues, how about we try reinstalling the apt package manually - if that doesn't work we can then work down its dependencies
[19:00] <pjs> TJ-, sure
[19:04] <TJ-> pjs: OK: "mkdir -p /tmp/apt; cd /tmp/apt; wget http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/libapt-pkg5.0_1.6.6_amd64.deb; wget http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/apt_1.6.6_amd64.deb"
[19:04] <TJ-> pjs: it is  64-bit install isn't it? (amd64) ?
[19:04] <pjs> TJ-, yes
[19:05] <pjs> ok got the packages
[19:05] <TJ-> pjs: now "sudo dpkg -Ri ."
[19:06] <pjs> TJ-, done
[19:06] <TJ-> pjs: now retry an apt command
[19:06] <pjs> TJ-, ie, apt-get update? (or does it have to be "apt"
[19:06] <TJ-> pjs: apt-get is fine
[19:07] <pjs> TJ-, it worked!
[19:07] <pjs> hahhaha dude wow
[19:07] <TJ-> pjs: so, those were somehow broken
[19:07] <pjs> TJ-, I still see this though: /usr/bin/apt-key: 624: /usr/bin/apt-key: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
[19:07] <TJ-> pjs: so the concern now is ... disk corruption or mor
[19:07] <TJ-> pjs: "pastebinit <( ls -latr /dev )"
[19:08] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Q64qZ3KQv/
[19:09] <TJ-> pjs: OK, ownership looks fine, although on my system the group is root not plugdev - that shouldn't matter if you're using "sudo ..." though
[19:10] <younder> Does packaging software like 'Snap' create a /dev/null?
[19:10] <younder> There were a lot of loop.. there. Which they use.
[19:11] <TJ-> younder: it's not a case of creating it, it is whether it is mapped into the secure context
[19:11] <pjs> TJ-, yes I am. Should perms on /dev/null be 666 and group changed to root?
[19:11] <TJ-> pjs: no, it's fine, that is all set up by udev
[19:11] <TJ-> pjs: I'm suspecting apparmor profiles now
[19:11] <TJ-> pjs: give me a few minutes to find the profiles here to check
[19:11] <pjs> TJ-, great, thanks!!!
[19:13] <TJ-> pjs: no apparmor profiles ... it can't be easy, can it!?
[19:14] <mohsen_1> is the non-lts version stable?
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> younder: /dev/null is always present. It's a device that is created on boot
[19:14] <pjs> TJ-, maybe I should run a fsck?
[19:14] <TJ-> pjs: right, let's use Sherlock Holmes techniques. "/usr/bin/apt-key: cannot create /dev/null"
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> mohsen_1: 18.10 is not LTS, and is stable. Enabling the developer channels on your system is what adds unstable software.
[19:15] <TJ-> pjs: that should happen automatically at boot-time if the FS is dirty
[19:15] <younder> pragmaticenigma, unless you chroot, which packages that create these loop..'s do.
[19:15] <TJ-> pjs: apt-key will be called I think to call gpg to check signatures
[19:16] <pjs> TJ-, ok
[19:17] <TJ-> pjs: turns out /usr/bin/apt-key is a shell script so we can make it debug for us
[19:18] <pjs> TJ-, so checking what needs to be updated in a dist-upgrade includes python3-distupgrade.. should I run a dist-upgrade to hopefully help or you think the issue with apt was just the package
[19:18] <TJ-> pjs: I suspect the line " if expr match "$(sed -n '2p' "${GPGHOMEDIR}/gpgoutput.log")" '^-\+$' >/dev/null 2>&1; then " in list_keys_in_keyring() function
[19:18] <TJ-> pjs: I think whilst apt-key is broken apt still can't succesfully install, but YES, try it
[19:18] <noln> mohsen_1, it's frozen as in "won't introduce new functionality without expressly installed from some channel other than the default repositories". If you're talking about bugs instead, be aware that the repository section "main"  is handled by Canonical, the section "universe" is snapshotted from debian unstable/sid
[19:19] <pjs> TJ-, ok I had to run --fix-broken install, then dist-upgrade, both succeeded
[19:19] <TJ-> pjs: now try "sudo apt update" again, see if apt-key breaks again
[19:20] <pjs> TJ-, ok ran fine, though apt-key permission error reminas
[19:20] <pjs> remains*
[19:20] <genii> mohsen_1: Interim ( non-LTS ) versions are considered stable enough for release, but these versions are also being used to incrementally add new features or functions which will be in a future LTS or be backported to the current LTS, like additional UFS feature support in the kernel, etc
[19:21] <TJ-> pjs: so lets work on that... it does feel like disk corruption but we need some evidence first; it could just be a bad config file for something
[19:21] <pjs> TJ-, probably s hould have said this earlier (sorry!), it's line 624 that's the issue: /usr/bin/apt-key: 624: /usr/bin/apt-key: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
[19:21] <TJ-> pjs: make a copy of apt-key that takes precedence in the PATH: "cp /usr/bin/apt-key /usr/local/bin/"
[19:22] <pjs> TJ-, ok I made a copy
[19:23] <TJ-> pjs: now manually edit the file and as the 2nd line add "set -x" and save it.
[19:23] <TJ-> pjs edit /usr/local/bin/apt-key
[19:23] <younder> If you expect disk corruption can't you just take it off-mount and ru fdisk?
[19:23] <younder> run
[19:23] <pjs> TJ-, ok done
[19:23] <TJ-> pjs: now confirm /usr/local/bin is ahead of /usr/bin in the PATH: "echo $PATH"
[19:24] <pjs> TJ-, confirmed.. also 'which apt-key' shows /usr/local/bin copy
[19:24] <TJ-> pjs: Now "sudo apt-get update |& tee /tmp/apt-key.log"
[19:24] <TJ-> pjs: then "pastebinit /tmp/apt-key.log"
[19:25] <pjs> TJ-, done
[19:25] <TJ-> younder: fsck doesn't always reveal disk corruption; we already know the root fs passed the fsck
[19:26] <TJ-> pjs: is the pastebin too large again? :)
[19:27] <pjs> TJ-, nope :)
[19:27] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hXxMFkgSt9/
[19:27] <pjs> basically the output of apt update
[19:27] <TJ-> pjs: right, so our apt-key wasn't called
[19:28] <TJ-> pjs: because "set -x" causes bash to write every line before it is executed
[19:28] <pjs> TJ-, hrmm. let me check root's path
[19:28] <pjs> well, sudo uses the user's path right? sudo echo $PATH shows my path so yea
[19:29] <TJ-> pjs: so, the path to apt-key is hard coded presumablty
[19:29] <pjs> TJ-, so let me backup apt-key and replace it with the set -x copy
[19:29] <pjs> one sec
[19:29] <TJ-> pjs: use dpkg-divery
[19:29] <TJ-> pjs: as in "sudo dpkg-divert --divert /usr/bin/apt-key.real --rename /usr/bin/apt-key"
[19:29] <pjs> TJ-, install that?
[19:30] <TJ-> pjs: then "sudo cp /usr/local/bin/apt-key /usr/bin/"
[19:30] <pjs> TJ-, done. update again?
[19:30] <TJ-> pjs: Now "sudo apt-get update |& tee /tmp/apt-key.log"
[19:31] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vJ3ZX84pjn/
[19:31] <TJ-> pjs: that's better... daaataaa"
[19:32] <pjs> hah!
[19:33] <TJ-> pjs: looks like a missing file, causes a variable to be empty, so the wrong command is formed, let me do the same here and see what should be expected
[19:33] <pjs> TJ-, ok
[19:35] <TJ-> pjs: having to delete some apt list files here to make it fetch
[19:36] <pjs> TJ-, no worries :)
[19:37] <kur1j> I'm having a weird problem with NFS on ubuntu 16.04. If I do "mount 172.16.0.19:/data /mnt/data" the NFS mounts without issue, if I try to do it based on the hostname it doesn't work, "mount dataserver.example.com:/data /mnt/data" it just hangs. I can properly ping dataserver.example.com and it resolves the ip correctly.
[19:38] <younder> kur1j, is the port blocked by a firewall?
[19:38] <TJ-> pjs: very strange; I can't trigger calls to apt-key! tried 'update' and 'upgrade'
[19:38] <kur1j> younder: how would it work if I give it the IP?
[19:39] <pjs> TJ-, hrmmm
[19:39] <pjs> TJ-, maybe it's with my keyfiles? Maybe something doesn't match so that's why it's calling apt-key?
[19:39] <younder> kur1j, is the hostname in in /etc/hosts or do you run a DNS?
[19:40] <kur1j> younder: running freeipa dns
[19:40] <TJ-> pjs: let me re-read your log in depth; there may be a vital clue
[19:40] <ioria> kur1j,  portmap  doesn't like hostnames
[19:41] <kur1j> ioria: what does that mean?
[19:41] <pjs> TJ-, login depth? Is that a paste I've already given?
[19:41] <pjs> hah, "log in depth*" I got it :)
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> kur1j: It means for reliable connection, you should consider using the IP address
[19:42] <TJ-> pjs: what shell is your user using?
[19:42] <pjs> TJ-, bash
[19:43] <TJ-> pjs: read the log in-depth - the apt-key log with set -x you pastebinned earlier
[19:43] <younder> kur1j, dig hostname
[19:43] <kur1j> younder: works
[19:43] <pjs> TJ-, I got it :) Sorry, was too quick to reply earlier
[19:44] <TJ-> pjs: so the line is "  GNUPGHOME="${GPGHOMEDIR}" gpgconf --kill all >/dev/null 2>&1 || true  " and the ">/dev/null" is a redirect. So for some reason bash/the system thinks /dev/null doesn't exist and tries to create it
[19:45] <TJ-> pjs: so, let us insert a line before line 624 that lists it. "id; ls -l /dev/null"
[19:46] <TJ-> pjs: that'll show us the effective user id and the ownership/permission/existence
[19:46] <TJ-> pjs: Now "sudo apt-get update |& tee /tmp/apt-key.log"  yet again
[19:46] <kur1j> im reallying trying to get autofs working with freeipa on ubuntu but none of it works and thought this might be related
[19:47] <pjs> TJ-, running...
[19:47] <younder> kur1j, try: sudo ufs status
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> kur1j: #ubuntu-server may have some additional suggestions on your issues
[19:48] <pjs> TJ-, oh boy.. now it's hanging again
[19:48] <kur1j> younder: I assume you mean "sudo service ufs status"?
[19:48] <TJ-> pjs: uhoh
[19:48] <pjs> TJ-, similar behavior.. fan spins up pretty quickly.. maybe it was the dist-upgrade?
[19:48] <younder> kur1j, s/ufs/ufw
[19:49] <kur1j> Status: inactive
[19:49] <pjs> TJ-, I think something that was installed was like ubuntu-utils, maybe that includes apt?
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> younder: It was already stated what the issue is likely to be. Did you not see ioria comment? portmap, a dependency, doesn't like hostnames being used
[19:49] <TJ-> pjs: can you show me "ls -ld /dev" (it's only 1 line, can paste it here)
[19:49] <pjs> TJ-, ignore me.. we've run update w/ tee since that so..
[19:49] <pjs> TJ-, drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4640 Oct 19 11:41 /dev/
[19:49] <kur1j> pragmaticenigma: well its odd because its working on another 16.04 machine
[19:50] <younder> kur1j, did you try the IP?
[19:50] <kur1j> younder: yes and it works
[19:50] <TJ-> pjs: hmmm, so traverse permissions (x) are there
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> kur1j: I suggest trying your question in #ubuntu-server... though works on one machine and not another is not uncommon. service startup order can play into it. as well as other components
[19:53] <TJ-> pjs: "pastebinit <( systemctl status apparmor )"
[19:54] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3cz2HB2spG/
[19:56] <TJ-> pjs: well damn! it IS apparmor problem
[19:56] <pjs> TJ-, hahah oh?
[19:56] <TJ-> pjs: I really hope apt can run!
[19:57] <pjs> TJ-, hah me too
[19:57] <TJ-> pjs: "AppArmor parser error for /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.surf in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.surf at line 30: Could not open 'abstractions/gstreamer'"
[19:59] <pjs> TJ-, hrmm.. surf is a suckless browser. It's running right now actually (starts automatically when i3 starts)
[19:59] <TJ-> pjs: lets check if the package containing that is supposed to be installed: "dpkg -S /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/gstreamer" and then "apt list --installed apparmor-profiles-extra"
[20:00] <pjs> TJ-, dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/gstreamer
[20:00] <TJ-> pjs: so not installed. Here's hoping! "sudo apt install apparmor-profiles-extra"
[20:00] <pjs> TJ-, nothing for apt list
[20:00] <pjs> "Listing... Done"
[20:01] <pjs> TJ, maybe I need to install the gstreamer1.0-x package? (though not sure why I would)
[20:01] <TJ-> pjs: if that apt install completes OK you can do "sudo systemctl start apparmor" then check it is Active with "systemctl status apparmor"
[20:02] <pjs> TJ-, you mean install of gstreamer?
[20:02] <TJ-> pjs: no
[20:02] <TJ-> pjs: so not installed. Here's hoping! "sudo apt install apparmor-profiles-extra"
[20:02] <pjs> TJ-, oh shit, sorry. Missed that
[20:03] <pjs> TJ-, installed
[20:03] <TJ-> start apparmor and check its status
[20:03] <pjs> TJ-, Oct 19 13:03:17 thinkpad systemd[1]: Started AppArmor initialization.
[20:03] <pjs> :)
[20:03] <TJ-> pjs: now retry the apt-get commands that trigger the apt-key problem, see if we have fixed it
[20:05] <pjs> TJ-, seems to be hanging again :(
[20:05] <TJ-> pjs: well $%^&!
[20:05] <pjs> TJ-, but the cpu isn't being eaten alive.. maybe that's progress lol
[20:05] <iresf> hello
[20:05] <TJ-> pjs: can you reboot it in case we've cleared the error but still have it 'in memory'
[20:06] <pjs> TJ-, sure
[20:06] <pjs> brb
[20:07] <iresf> i have  esxi server that installed ubuntu server on it with nodejs  then a bit project of react is on it  i want to open it on webstorm on my laptop i want to open project  in webstorm from esix
[20:07] <TJ-> pjs: you need to report a bug against 'surf' package; it currently only "Suggests: apparmor-profiles-extra"but if it is going to break the apparmor service it needs to be a "Depends"
[20:10] <pjs> TJ-, update still hangs
[20:10] <pjs> TJ-, ah ok. I will file a bug
[20:10] <TJ-> pjs: so we've not fixed it. Hmmm.
[20:11] <pjs> TJ-, I guess not.. weird it was working fine after the manual install, and even a few times after the dist-upgrade
[20:11] <TJ-> pjs: this really feels like an apt proxy problem. show me "pastebinit <( sudo grep -irn proxy /etc/apt )"
[20:13] <timothylegg> Print server question.  Friend has HP 4500DN, but it is a fairly old printer that has (not clearly defined) issues with Windows 10.  Using HPLIP+CUPS on Ubuntu 16.04, the printer works beautifully.  Is there a method in which perhaps their Windows 10 boxes can deliver a print job to my Ubuntu machine since, on Ubuntu, the printing behaves very well?
[20:13] <pjs> TJ-: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[20:14] <timothylegg> I'm a bit out of loop with modern printing.  The last printer I owned was text only and printed using lpr on comand line.  I'm not certain what can be done with the new postscript printers...
[20:17] <TJ-> pjs: so no proxy there
[20:17] <TJ-> pjs: how about "env | grep -i proxy"
[20:18] <pjs> TJ-, no results
[20:19] <TJ-> pjs: this is getting weirder
[20:19] <[Nord]> Hi, I am new to 'Linux as a desktop', not counting some small experience a few years ago. Can I somehow replace the default docker with something that shows not just icons but titles of running apps, preferably separate for each instance?
[20:20] <TJ-> pjs: we ought to undo the changes to apt-key whilst we are at
[20:21] <TJ-> pjs: "sudo rm /usr/bin/apt-key; sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/bin/apt-key"
[20:22] <pjs> TJ-, done
[20:24] <timothylegg> Anybody familiar with printing?
[20:24] <Shushi> what the printer model
[20:24] <timothylegg> Hello, it is a HP 4500DN.  It works very well in Ubuntu.
[20:25] <Shushi> @timothylegg ok and that is the q
[20:26] <timothylegg> The issue is that it isn't supported on some of our Window 10 devices.  Is there any method that these machines can use by Ubuntu box to print without having the users carrying  a PDF via USB drvie to it?
[20:26] <timothylegg> typo... The issue is that it isn't supported on some of our Window 10 devices.  Is there any method that these machines can use my Ubuntu box to print without having the users carrying  a PDF via USB drvie to it?
[20:28] <Shushi> @timothylegg https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-printserver.html have you tried this one?
[20:29] <timothylegg> I'm sure that this has been done, somehow, but not certain what it's called.  Makes searching difficult lacking the terminology.
[20:29] <timothylegg> I'll read that!
[20:29] <younder> You mean the CUSP printer interface via SAMBA?
[20:30] <timothylegg> So, in a sense, it will make my Ubuntu machine be added as a printer-like device that these machines will print to instead?
[20:32] <timothylegg> I played with Samba a little bit in college back in 2003.  Don't remember if it worked or not.  Vaguely familiar with it.
[20:33] <iresf> how to open a java project in esxi in an idea  ?
[20:34] <Shushi> just FYI win 10 doesnt support smb v1
[20:34] <TJ-> pjs: you're working over SSH - is it possible you've configured the SSH server with a ChrootDirectory to restrict operations!?
[20:35] <TJ-> pjs: in other words, does this problem affect a local console session. Currently we only know it affects SSH
[20:36] <pjs> TJ-, no I'm in X on the laptop
[20:37] <TJ-> pjs: on the affected system?
[20:38] <TypeMachine> hi
[20:38] <TypeMachine> I get the error "snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks"
[20:38] <TypeMachine> when I reinstall snap, it's solved
[20:38] <TypeMachine> But I get it again after every reboot
[20:39] <pjs> TJ-, yup
[20:40] <TypeMachine> if anyone has an idea, i'm interested
[20:42] <NerdTheThird> damn, 18.10 is kinda buggy
[20:44] <TJ-> pjs: which kernel version is it? "uname -r"
[20:46] <pjs> TJ-, 4.15.0-36-generic
[20:47] <TJ-> pjs: right; check which older kernels you have "ls /boot/vmlinuz*" and the reboot and try the oldest version, tapping Esc at boot to get the GRUB boot menu, then navigate to the Advanced > Ubuntu (x.y) version where x.y is the oldest kernel
[20:48] <TJ-> pjs: we had a weird issue reported recently where the latest kernel was causing TCP hangs in very specific circumstances
[20:49] <pjs> TJ-, ok I'll give it a shot. Got pulled into a meeting so give me a few (sorry)
[20:50] <timothylegg> Thanks for the link.  Made a lot of progress.. Tinkering further...
[20:51] <timothylegg> This was the FASTEST I ever got samba running.  15 years ago, it was a multi-day process to get compiled, configured and operating.
[20:54] <timothylegg> We still have a fundamental problem.  The Windows 10 machine sees the printer, but it still wants to find a driver, which doesn't exist for Windows 10.  only for ancient windows, and well, Ubuntu too.  These Win 10 machines can also see the network printer directly, but the Ubuntu driver exists and works.
[20:54] <EliterFFC> I'm trying to use an old, broken laptop to run Ubuntu Desktop on, which I hope to put virtualbox on.
[20:54] <timothylegg> Eliter, I have had a lot of good results with VirtualBox
[20:55] <EliterFFC> However, secure boot is enabled, and I cannot see the screen to type in the code it asks me to type in after I turn off secure boot.
[20:55] <sazawal> I have created a systemd service to execute a script when a hard disk is mounted. The service works if the hard disk name has no spaces, where I have used "media-MyHD.mount" as the Unit name. But if the hard disk has spaces, I have used "media-My\x20HD" for "My HD" as the Unit name, then it doesn't work. Any clues?
[20:56] <EliterFFC> I have a perfectly working laptop for another purpose that is exactly the same, so I can replicate the BIOS menu from the working laptop onto the not-working laptop.
[20:56] <timothylegg> Eliter, Model of laptop?  These are usually somewhat standarized.
[20:56] <EliterFFC> Anyway, I don't think I can turn off secure boot without seeing the screen, which I can't.
[20:57] <timothylegg> Try recording the bootup with a phone and playback/pause the recording to see which key is to be pressed
[20:57] <EliterFFC> I think I will need to screw around with secure boot to get virtualbox to work. I don't know how it works, and I remember there being options in Ubuntu for Ubuntu to work with secure boot.
[20:58] <timothylegg> What VirtualBox will need is access to virtualization features of the intel chipset which is often disabled by the BIOS by default.
[20:58] <EliterFFC> timothylegg, oh yes, I can turn off secure boot no problem. The problem is that it asks me to type in a 4-character random code that is displayed on the screen, or it will revert back to secure boot.
[20:59] <EliterFFC> Yeah, I can turn on virtualization once the Ubuntu Desktop download is done.
[21:01] <EliterFFC> timothylegg, I believe the model is 087D120022305B10000620100
[21:03] <TJ-> EliterFFC: the issue with virtualbox is probably out-of-tree vboxdrv kernel module, which isn't signed, so cannot be loaded
[21:04] <TJ-> EliterFFC: is there a reason for needing VirtualBox? Ubuntu has libvirt/virt-manager
[21:06] <EliterFFC> TJ-, I didn't know that.
[21:06] <TJ-> !info virt-manager
[21:11] <tripelb> Is there an irc client that will let me search back to see if someone mentioned my nick?
[21:12] <tripelb> I asked a question earlier and got interrupted so I want to see it TJ- responded.
[21:12] <tripelb> if
[21:12] <tripelb> using hexchat now
[21:15] <ppf> since i upgraded from xenial to bionic i can't run mpi applications anymore
[21:16] <ppf> 'While computing bindings, we found no available cpus on the following node;
[21:16] <ppf> anyone seen that?
[21:16] <EliterFFC> ppf, yeah, I don't like Ubuntu 18.04. I refuse to switch my main desktop until it gets better.
[21:16] <EliterFFC> Too many features lost with the "upgrade".
[21:16] <xamithan> Just skiip to 18.10
[21:17] <ppf> that's not really helpful :p
[21:20] <ppf> google isn't very insightful on that issue
[21:20] <Bashing-om> tripelb: See if gexchat supports the command ' /last tripelb ' . to see all entires of yours . ( irssi does this )
[21:21] <ppf> there's literally two matches
[21:21] <ppf> either people have no mpi problems or it just predates google
[21:25] <TJ-> tripelb: my last comment was: tripelb: show us "pastebinit <( iw list )"
[21:38] <__0xbadc0de_> lo
[21:38] <__0xbadc0de_> where can I find 32 bit binaries in a modern ubuntu v16
[21:38] <__0xbadc0de_> (64 bit os)
[21:40] <peter22222> hi folks.. anybody knows why i cant click on the import button when i try to import a passphrase protected ssh-key?
[21:42] <__0xbadc0de_> hello?
[21:42] <nacc> __0xbadc0de_: why do you need a 32-bit binary?
[21:42] <nacc> __0xbadc0de_: which specific binary, as well?
[21:42] <__0xbadc0de_> ANY binary
[21:42] <__0xbadc0de_> that sends anything to stdout
[21:43] <nacc> __0xbadc0de_: that doesn't make any sense. Why do you care about the bitness of a binary?
[21:43] <nacc> __0xbadc0de_: 32-bit binaries are not stored in a special path or anything
[21:44] <__0xbadc0de_> nacc: I am trying to understand what is the kernel behaviour when you do an execve() from a 32 bit process into a 64 bit elf. Will that not work? Seems like it.
[21:44] <__0xbadc0de_> now I want to fork from 32-bit to 32-bit to take out some doubts
[21:45] <__0xbadc0de_> Will the kernel handle well the request and transform the 32 bit process into a 64 bit process and resume process startup?
[21:45] <__0xbadc0de_> unlikely because I just tried to fork into "ls" (a 64 bit binary) and it seems that it fails
[21:45] <__0xbadc0de_> happy now?
[21:47] <OerHeks> locate, find, may tools can search for i386 file locations
[21:47] <fassl_> maybe something like: find / -type f -exec file {} \; | grep "ELF 32" | grep executable
[21:47] <__0xbadc0de_> l33t bash skills
[21:47]  * __0xbadc0de_ copy pastes
[21:48] <OerHeks> i'd like to see the path on a windows wls system
[21:49] <__0xbadc0de_> its actually very easy
[21:49] <__0xbadc0de_> 32 bit system binaries in SysWOW64
[21:49] <__0xbadc0de_> its not like this garbage
[21:49] <__0xbadc0de_> stuff spread all over
[21:49] <__0xbadc0de_> but I shouldnt bitch, thanks for the cmd/help
[21:50] <OerHeks> have fun
[21:52] <fassl_> does 64bit linux even have 32bit system binaries?
[21:52] <__0xbadc0de_> wtf was that question?
[21:53] <nacc> fassl_: 'system' binaries? it depends on what you mean
[21:53] <__0xbadc0de_> it does
[21:53] <fassl_> i wanted to say executables
[21:54] <nacc> fassl_: yes, you can have 32-bit executables on a 64-bit OS
[21:54] <fassl_> i know you can, but does any distro have it by default
[21:55] <TJ-> fassl_: for packages, you have to enable the 'i386' foreign-architecture, then the :i386 versions of library packages are co-installable and get put under /usr/i386-linux-gnu/
[21:55] <TJ-> sorry, /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
[21:55] <nacc> fassl_: i think for most binaries, they are all 64-bit on ubuntu if you installed 64-bit, unless you enable the other arch as TJ- said
[21:56] <nacc> fassl_: and specifically install a 32-bit binary package
[21:56] <TJ-> one example on 64-bit of a 32-bit application is wine
[21:57] <fassl_> i was just referring to "spread all over", which i would say it is not, because until you install another arch, there is no spread at all
[21:58] <fassl_> and if you do, there are well defined paths where the binaries are installed
[21:58] <nacc> TJ-: don't have it handy, but iirc, the binaries are the same path on both archs, just libs get moved (and the binaries would use different loaders)
[21:58] <TJ-> fassl_: the libraries are installed in a separate path; PATH executables are not
[21:59] <fassl_> oh
[21:59] <nacc> fassl_: i was ignoring their comment about 'spread' anyways, it didn't seem to be based on reality
[22:05] <fassl_> TJ-, yeah it wants to delete tar when i want to install tar:i386
[22:05] <tripelb> TJ-, iwlist scan:  https://pastebin.com/HJ3GEH8p  iwlist freq:  https://pastebin.com/QTgjYseb    (my lshw:  https://pastebin.com/uSg1mq8y ) --  And the 4th paste of the day, iw list:  https://pastebin.com/fvVhVW5z:
[22:07] <tripelb> TJ-,  now I would like to do some learning, not just some fixing. what was the purpose of each of those?  ((have learned  iw - show / manipulate wireless devices and their configuration ))
[22:08] <__0xbadc0de_> YUP!
[22:08] <__0xbadc0de_> mistery solved
[22:08] <__0xbadc0de_> the kernel DOES NOT HANDLE process bitness transformation
[22:08] <tripelb> TJ-, there's probably a site that would teach me more.
[22:08] <__0xbadc0de_> so you cannot fork into a 64 bit process
[22:09] <__0xbadc0de_> execve("ls", nullptr, nullptr) -> fails
[22:09] <TJ-> tripelb: I generally read the related man-pages and experiment. E.g. "man iw" or do "iw --help"
[22:09]  * tripelb holds onto here second questions about xorg and wayland.
[22:09] <__0xbadc0de_> execve("32bit_elf", nullptr, nullptr) -> works
[22:09] <tripelb> I looked at the man page. What are you looking for in the setup or settings.
[22:10] <tripelb> Also I wish to have the ability to search back and forth in the scrollback to find a string, like tripelb
[22:11] <tripelb> TJ-, the basic question is why the wifi sees no close sites except a site in the same room.
[22:12] <tripelb> TJ-, in Ubuntu -not-win10 which is normal.
[22:12] <TJ-> tripelb: I'm wondering if the wrong antenna is being used
[22:14] <tripelb> TJ-, I didnt know there was a choice of antenna. I will look at the lshw to see if I can find....
[22:14] <TJ-> tripelb: if you do "modinfo -F parm rtl8723be" you'll see "ant_sel:Set to 1 or 2 to force antenna number (default 0)"
[22:14] <TJ-> tripelb: so it might be worth trying to reload the module using values 1 and 2 and testing
[22:14] <hggdh> __0xbadc0de_: just saying, please try to nicier on your comments. And, please, no swearing, even abbreviated.
[22:15] <TJ-> tripelb: as in "sudo modprobe -r rtl8723be && sudo modprobe rtl8723be ant_sel=1" then test, then the same with "ant_sel=2"
[22:16] <tripelb> TJ-, I will copy this to my Hints and Learning file and see how to do it.
[22:17] <__0xbadc0de_> hggdh: I would just like to interject for a second
[22:17] <__0xbadc0de_> and stand for the FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE!
[22:17] <__0xbadc0de_> (and their software)
[22:17] <hggdh> ...
[22:17] <TJ-> tripelb: if one of those alternatives works better you can set it permanently by doing "echo 'options rtl8723be ant_sel=X' | tee -a /etc/modprob.d/rtl8723be.conf " (where ant_sel=X you replace X with the best number)
[22:18] <hggdh> __0xbadc0de_: __this channel has rules, and they must be followed
[22:19] <__0xbadc0de_> but thats a violation of the 4 freedoms!
[22:20] <hggdh> __0xbadc0de_: if you want to discuss this, let's move to another channel. Not here.
[22:21] <__0xbadc0de_> no I actually dont care about that moron, I'll srsly follow the rules and avoid a ban
[22:21] <ryuo> ...
[22:21]  * ryuo facepalms.
[22:22] <__0xbadc0de_> ??
[22:22] <tripelb> TJ-, sadly neither makes a difference.
[22:23] <TJ-> tripelb: OK, did it not make it worse either?
[22:23] <hggdh> __0xbadc0de_: as I already said, this channel runs under the Code of Conduct (which it pointed to in the topic)
[22:24] <tripelb> TJ-, no difference visible; both saw the home system, so did 0. (my connection is ethernet atm.)
[22:25] <__0xbadc0de_> x
[22:26] <TJ-> tripelb: I believe I have a solution for you
[22:26] <tripelb> TJ-, what are you thinking about?
[22:27] <TJ-> tripelb: "echo "options rtl8723be fwlps=0" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf"  then "sudo modprobe -r rtl8723be && sudo modprobe rtl8723be"
[22:29] <adfg> Would somebody help me with installing a VPN? The customer service people for CyberGhost don't seem to know anything about Linux.
[22:30] <EliterFFC> TJ-, how do I use "libvirt/virt-manager"?
[22:33] <adfg> I can follow the instructions from CyberGhost's site, but I reach a point where the command doesn't work. It's this command: sudo openvpn --config /home/USERNAME/CyberGhost/openvpn.ovpn
[22:34] <tripelb> TJ-, I did those commands and found Nothing different. (I felt exploratory so) so I went into the GUI of wifi settings. (ivp4 and 6 are both on automatic) I looked at networks and I saw mine (I have two but Ubu does not see the 5g and I dont remember if windows10 does.) I clicked on the lock icon. It spun and then saw my closest neighbor. Not any of the others that win10 sees. --- OK thats the report.
[22:35] <TJ-> EliterFFC: this may help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager
[22:36] <TJ-> tripelb: OK, you won't see 5G networks, that device doesn't support 802.11a according to the previous reports you've provided
[22:37] <TJ-> tripelb: can you tell me what "lsmod | grep '^rtl8723be' " shows you?
[22:38] <tripelb> TJ-, I get a caret (full stop   the line has no system prompt, just >         (as if waiting for input from me.)
[22:38] <tripelb> wait I forgot the last singel quote. redo
[22:40] <tripelb> TJ-, the output is   rtl8723be              98304  0
[22:42] <tripelb> TJ-, I changed the antenna choice to 2 and did it again and it was the same.
[22:43] <TJ-> tripelb: right, so nothing relies on the module (the 0 tells us that) therefore it should have unloaded/reloaded with the new config. I want to be sure that is happening so can you show me "pastebinit <( for n in /sys/module/rtl8723be/parameters/*; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done )"
[22:44] <tripelb> TJ-, btw I am not using pastebinit because I had to install something and decided to keep doing it the longway to get used to it for a while more.
[22:44] <TJ-> tripelb: OK, I use it to make things easy for you
[22:44] <Paddy_NI> TJ-, Hey thank you very much for your help the other day. I very much appreciated it!
[22:44] <tripelb> so I am unsure of the command's beginning.
[22:45] <TJ-> adfg: did you literally include the USERNAME string or was that really your actual user account name?
[22:45] <adfg> I follow CyberGhost's installation instructions and then when I use this command, the instructions no longer work: sudo openvpn --config '/home/adfg/CyberGhost/openvpn.ovpn'
[22:45] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: you're welcome
[22:45] <adfg> No I put my own username.
[22:45] <TJ-> adfg: hmmm, let me carry on reading their article
[22:45] <adfg> https://support.cyberghostvpn.com/hc/en-us/articles/213189889-How-to-configure-OpenVPN-for-Linux-Ubuntu-Terminal-
[22:46] <tripelb> TJ-, so I installed it and...   http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZTd6ZmH6rs/
[22:46] <TJ-> adfg: so is it prompting for your username and password?
[22:47] <adfg> It says this: Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: ‘/home/adfg/CyberGhost/openvpn.ovpn’
[22:48] <Paddy_NI> Rather hilariously/nerve-wrackingly when I got to the clients home and booted the PC up on their TV, it had 1920x1080 (Great) but the interface elements were huge!  I quickly determined some weird scaling was in effect and a quick bit of googling found a solution to the problem.  :-)
[22:48] <TJ-> tripelb: the pastebin confirms it disabled firmware power-saving, which is apparently a common cause
[22:49] <TJ-> adfg: did you save the file there?
[22:49] <adfg> Yes I downloaded CyberGhost's files and put them there.
[22:49] <TJ-> adfg: in other words, does a file exist there "ls -l $HOME/CyberGhost/"
[22:50] <adfg> Yes it lists the four files in that folder.
[22:51] <TJ-> adfg: openvpn is complaining about something inside the file I believe, but I don't want to ask you to share the file content since it may contain private login info for your CyberGhost account
[22:51] <adfg> Aha, so it's a problem with the files that CyberGhost supplied to me.
[22:51] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: ahhh, yes, interface DPI scaling probably
[22:52] <TJ-> adfg: I *think* so but I cannot be sure without looking
[22:52] <EliterFFC> In Ubuntu 18.04, how do I run a bash script that affects the desktop environment before/during the login script, affecting the system before users log in?
[22:53] <TJ-> adfg: do you see the same kind of output as shown in this screenshot? https://support.cyberghostvpn.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/115000038289/linuxubuntu004.png
[22:53] <EliterFFC> I need a script that disables the monitors and re-sets the primary to be run (pretty much) before the user puts in their password on the desktop.
[22:53] <Paddy_NI> EliterFFC, /etc/rc.local
[22:53] <TJ-> adfg: if not, I'm going to guess as the error reports "[CMD-LINE]:1" it means the first line of the ovpn file is not understood
[22:54] <adfg> Okay. I will tell CyberGhost that there may be a problem with their Linux service.
[22:54] <EliterFFC> Paddy_NI, /etc/rc.local does not exist.
[22:54] <adfg> Nobody in their customer service seems to know anything about Linux. So it's perfectly credible that they are not doing it right.
[22:54] <TJ-> EliterFFC: via /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ scripts
[22:55] <adfg> No I didn't see that.
[22:56] <EliterFFC> TJ-, none of these have file extensions. Can I just throw in a file in this directory and it run as bash?
[22:56] <TJ-> adfg: right, so that seems to confirm it is failing at line 1
[22:56] <TJ-> EliterFFC: they need to be executables, so need +x mode. I use shell scripts
[22:58] <adfg> What I get looks like this:
[22:58] <adfg> resolv-retry infinite
[22:58] <adfg> redirect-gateway def1
[22:58] <adfg> persist-key
[22:58] <adfg> persist-tun
[22:58] <adfg> nobind
[22:58] <pjs> TJ-, apologies.. Just got out (crazy day all of a sudden)..
[22:58] <pjs> TJ-, So I should try booting an older kernel?
[22:59] <adfg> There is a box that opens up, but the text that appears in it is different from that.
[23:00] <adfg> It ends with: key client.key
[23:02] <TJ-> pjs: we have something else for you to do first
[23:02] <pjs> TJ-, oh ok, what's that?
[23:03] <TJ-> pjs: check the installed files are not corrupted internally with "sudo debsum | grep -v OK" -- any results will report files that are corrupt
[23:03] <TJ-> pjs: sorry, debsums not debsum
[23:03] <fassl_> maybe just strace it, see if it really cannot open that file, and whats the last thing it does
[23:03] <pjs> TJ-, I don't have that app.. let me see if I can install it
[23:04] <TJ-> pjs: uhoh
[23:04] <pjs> TJ-, it installed ok (weird!)
[23:05] <TJ-> pjs: right, lets find out... this will take a while even on SSD
[23:05] <EliterFFC> In Ubuntu 18.04, how do I make the system NOT suspend when the laptop lid is shut?
[23:05] <pjs> TJ-, ok.. running it
[23:05] <TJ-> pjs: you might want to capture output to a log file if it starts to report FAILS
[23:05] <TJ-> EliterFFC: I think there is a systemd setting
[23:05] <pjs> TJ-, so far the only fails are for i3 specific files (which is expected since I've overwritten it with a compiled version from source)
[23:07] <pjs> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w5Vg9BRqpq/
[23:07] <pjs> TJ-, ranger is unexpected but I don't think it has to do with this
[23:08] <TJ-> EliterFFC: see "man 5 logind.conf" and HandleLidSwitch
[23:09] <TJ-> pjs: that is weird, that is only your i3 bits, which is very recently installed if I recall correctly
[23:10] <TJ-> pjs: oh, I see you mentioned it already!
[23:10] <pjs> TJ-, I installed i3 when I first setup the laptop but pretty much right after installed it from source.. I've been running from source forever but the first install from source I forgot to specify /usr/local, so the apt installed binaries were overwritten
[23:11] <TJ-> pjs: oops
[23:11] <pjs> lol yea
[23:11] <TJ-> pjs: so of nothing else FAILs then we can rule out corruption in system package files
[23:12] <pjs> TJ-, so my oldest kernel is 4.15.0-20-generic..
[23:13] <TJ-> pjs: right now the only problem we know you have is a random hang from apt... but it worked just now
[23:13] <EliterFFC> TJ-, I need to figure out how to run a xranr command before the user logs in, so I can't use a user autostart for it.
[23:13] <TJ-> pjs: and we know wget works fine
[23:14] <TJ-> EliterFFC: I used to have scripts to run xrandr to rotate monitors at the greeter stage
[23:14] <pjs> TJ-, right and it seems to only be on update, and it did work a few times today
[23:15] <EliterFFC> TJ-, how do I do that for Ubuntu 18.04? I tried using that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ suggestion, but it didn't work.
[23:16] <TJ-> EliterFFC: see http://iam.tj/projects/misc/monitor-rotation.sh
[23:16] <TJ-> EliterFFC: is it using the Xorg session, or Wayland though?
[23:17] <EliterFFC> TJ-, I havne't been able to find a file named Xorg.
[23:17] <TJ-> EliterFFC: Xorg is the project that develops the X server system
[23:18] <EliterFFC> TJ-, I am looking at https://help.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en
[23:18] <EliterFFC> since GDM handles the greeter aparently.
[23:18] <TJ-> EliterFFC: "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" should report "x11" for X server
[23:18] <EliterFFC> TJ-, it's x11
[23:19] <EliterFFC> Am I looking for Init/ or Xsession, based on https://help.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en ?
[23:19] <TJ-> EliterFFC: If you're using gdm then maybe you need to add the file in /etc/gdm/Xsession/ - I don't use gnome so not sure on that
[23:20] <pjs> TJ-, uhhh, so apt-get update just worked (I haven't rebooted)
[23:20] <pjs> apt-key issue still present
[23:20] <EliterFFC> TJ-, /etc/gdm3/Xsession does not exist.
[23:20] <TJ-> pjs: right, that is very weird report too. We deleted the debug script and we still haven't captured it reporting the "ls -l /dev/null" !
[23:21] <TJ-> EliterFFC: I was guessing from that link you gave; maybe that is a file and you need to place scripts in another directory
[23:25] <fassl_> cant you also just make a systemd service that wants graphical.target? shouldnt matter what login manager or compositor u use
[23:26] <pjs> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kk87bRtmCq/
[23:26] <pjs> TJ-, I redid our steps earlier, it hangs when I run with tee, it seems to update when I run it on it's own
[23:31] <TJ-> pjs: oh, nice! I was just reading the apt source-code for inspiration
[23:32] <pjs> TJ-, you are a true warrior :)
[23:33] <pjs> TJ-, should there be a udev rules entry for /dev/null? ie, /etc/udev/rules.d/device-permissions.rules because I don't have one
[23:35] <TJ-> pjs: no, udev does that internally
[23:36] <TJ-> pjs: hmmm, our "ls -l" goes to stdout which doesn't get captured
[23:37] <pjs> TJ-, Right, I saw that.. how can I change it?
[23:37] <pjs> TJ-, I've never seen /dev/null not have o+rw perms.. should I manually change that?
[23:40] <tharkun> Aloha, how can I find out what package provides auth_socket.so for the mariadb server.
[23:40] <TJ-> pjs: I don't think it makes a difference but we need to figure out why your system has root:plugdev ownership for /dev/* whereas mine has root:root - whatever sets that may be at the root of this. The other thing is, *why* is your apt always calling apt-key - mine doesn't. apt-key is called as a wrapper around gpgv which on yours is reporting the key validity
[23:41] <pjs> TJ-, good question.. I don't know what that group is
[23:42] <TJ-> pjs: the group is fine; my primary user is a member for example; the thing I'm wondering about is why your system has that ownership. I have 2 18.04 systems here where it is root:root
[23:42] <tharkun> TJ-: ownership of files under /dev varies according to the device.
[23:42] <TJ-> pjs: I'll install a new 18.04 container and testin that
[23:44] <pjs> TJ-, yea, I thought that was weird too..
[23:44] <pjs> TJ-, ok cool
[23:44] <TJ-> pjs: silly idea; containers don't work that way. Getting tired :)
[23:45] <pjs> TJ-, hah.. it's Friday night.. call it a day and go get some beer
[23:45] <TJ-> pjs: i have several more severs here yet to test!
[23:46] <pjs> TJ-, hah, I see
[23:47] <TJ-> pjs: Every single one so far (I've tested 5) are "crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Aug 31 21:17 /dev/null"
[23:47] <TJ-> pjs: so, you've done something on that system, or installed something, that has changed the defaults
[23:48] <pjs> TJ-, very possible, but I haven't installed much recently. I can't think of what I would have done.
[23:48] <fassl_> tharkun, is that what youre looking for? https://askubuntu.com/a/482
[23:48] <pjs> TJ-, is plugdev a default group on Ubuntu?
[23:50] <TJ-> pjs: do you get any hits that show rules for "grep -rn '[^>]/dev/null' /lib/udev/ "
[23:50] <pjs> TJ-, also, /dev/tty1 is owned by user pjs (my user account).. that can't be right (and may explain my issues with gdm that originally kicked all this off)
[23:50] <tharkun> fassl_: I only know the name of the file auth_socket.so but dpkg seems to require the full path which I don't have.
[23:51] <pjs> TJ-, Yea, looks like for an hp printer
[23:51] <fassl_> is it loaded at runtime or startup? does it show up with ldd mariadbbinary
[23:51] <TJ-> pjs: hplj1000 ? yes, that is the only one I see too
[23:53] <pjs> TJ-, yup.. Also ifupdown-hotplug but it only says "exec > /dev/null 2> /dev/null"
[23:54] <tripelb> TJ-, where were we?
[23:54] <tripelb> TJ-, so I installed it and...   http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZTd6ZmH6rs/
[23:54] <tripelb> TJ-, I suppose you are at work and helping us too. (Respect)
[23:56] <tripelb> TJ-, better stated as:   pastebinit <( for n in /sys/module/rtl8723be/parameters/*; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done )
[23:56] <tripelb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZTd6ZmH6rs/
[23:56] <fassl_> tharkun, anyway you probably can find it with: for dir in `find /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ -exec cat {} 2>/dev/null \; | grep -v "#"`; do find $dir -name "libauth_socket*"; done
[23:57] <tharkun> fassl_: regex is not my strong guru stuff, I cheated and I used https://packages.ubuntu.com/ it seems the package is only available for mysql and not for mariadb so I will need to poke on some other direction to make logrotate have mysql root access.
[23:58] <tharkun> fassl_: BTW nice one liner.