| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| Unit193 | Dancing Dingo have a name yet? | 03:02 |
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| flocculant | Unit193: yup Deeply Dippy | 06:45 |
| Unit193 | ...Dunkin' Donuts. | 06:46 |
| flocculant | :) | 06:46 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: were you aware that upgrades from 18.04 on 32 bit aren't supported anymore? That being the case we should revisit the 32bit story (again) https://i.imgur.com/xzmjB5H.png | 07:26 |
| flocculant | that's a bog standard 32 bit install - god only knows how many 'You've got to be joking's' someone like Unit193 would see if they didn't use the terminal to do things :p | 07:27 |
| flocculant | and perhaps we should add something to the release notes for 18.04/18.10 | 07:28 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Yeah I knew that upgrades were discouraged for 32bit. | 07:28 |
| flocculant | I didn't - unsurprisingly this cycle | 07:31 |
| Unit193 | It wasn't very loudly advertised, I believe. :/ | 07:31 |
| flocculant | we shouldn't really be giving it to people with that being the case imo | 07:31 |
| flocculant | Unit193: right - I did read something this week in -release, just assumed it wasn't Looby Lou and us | 07:32 |
| Unit193 | LTS → normal release will fail, normal → normal should be fine. | 07:32 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Sorry if I didn't mention it and should have, I think I had a crank in -ot but that'd have been it. | 07:32 |
| flocculant | that makes some sense given LTS to LTS would be 2021 | 07:33 |
| flocculant | Unit193: well I'd likely not have noticed anyway this cycle ... | 07:33 |
| Unit193 | I'd say we should certainly point to the LTS for new 32bit users. | 07:33 |
| flocculant | why? | 07:34 |
| flocculant | there's even less chance of a successful upgrade with 32 bit in 2021 | 07:34 |
| flocculant | fingers keep doing 2012 instead of 2021 | 07:34 |
| flocculant | we should point 32 bit users to a shop ... | 07:35 |
| Unit193 | Right, but Bionic will be supported slightly longer, I think. | 07:35 |
| Unit193 | Hah, well there is that. | 07:35 |
| flocculant | :p | 07:35 |
| Unit193 | I think I'm going to give up on the 32bit argument. | 07:37 |
| flocculant | lol | 07:37 |
| flocculant | possibly have to move off of the fence here | 07:37 |
| Unit193 | (And won't secretly hold it aginst the Xubuntu team either, if I want to still run 32bit I can just push them to Debian. If I were sane,I wouldn't though.) | 07:38 |
| Unit193 | Eh, the fence is a nice seat. | 07:38 |
| flocculant | getting a bit thin lately :D | 07:38 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: noticed it on the general release note on release day | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | didn't know who we'd have to bribe to get 32bit upgrades for (l/x)ubuntu (studio) | 11:00 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I sort of read it on Thursday - didn't think about it affecting us till someone mentioned it in #x | 11:02 |
| flocculant | personally I'm now at the position where we should knock that on the head | 11:02 |
| flocculant | I put it on the agenda for whenever slickymaster bothers setting up the next meeting :D | 11:03 |
| bluesabre | great | 11:04 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: is this fix good? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1754872/comments/27 | 18:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1754872 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:54 |
| brainwash | lightdm, lightdm-gtk-greeter -> lightdm-gtk-greeter, lightdm | 19:03 |
| brainwash | this way lightdm will not pull in unity-greeter because gtk-greeter is already checked for being installed | 19:04 |
| brainwash | xfce4-session pulls in xscreensaver still, so moving light-locker from recommends to depends may be the only way to fix that I think | 19:07 |
| brainwash | or making xfce4-session recommend light-locker, xscreensaver | 19:09 |
| brainwash | maybe with xfce4-screensaver this will be solved anyway | 19:10 |
| brainwash | ali1234: do you still think that my added upstream report is not related? bug 1771227 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1771227 in ristretto (Ubuntu) "Ristretto is the default MIME handler for PGM files, even though it cannot display them" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1771227 | 19:12 |
| === Iolo_ is now known as Iolo | ||
| Unit193 | I would be very much against changing recommends to depends. | 20:54 |
| brainwash | even when light-locker is replaced with xfce4-screensaver? | 20:55 |
| Unit193 | It's just not a depend of the package, so listing it as such isn't accurate. | 20:55 |
| brainwash | of xubuntu-desktop you mean? | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-session, as mantioned. | 20:56 |
| brainwash | xubuntu-desktop depends on xfce4-session, and xfce4-session recommends xscreensaver | light-locker | 20:58 |
| brainwash | xubuntu-desktop only recommends light-locker | 20:59 |
| brainwash | this way xscreensaver is pulled in | 20:59 |
| brainwash | and later light-locker is installed too | 20:59 |
| brainwash | when doing apt install xubuntu-desktop | 20:59 |
| brainwash | making xubuntu-desktop depend on light-locker would solve this, but it's not a nice fix | 21:01 |
| brainwash | neither is making xfce4-session recommend light-locker | xscreensaver | 21:01 |
| brainwash | I assume that with xfce4-screensaver both light-locker and xscreensaver could be replaced | 21:02 |
| brainwash | therefore, solving the issue anyway | 21:03 |
| Unit193 | Arguably that latter change isn't as distasteful as some others, considering what Debian does. | 21:03 |
| brainwash | what does Debian do? | 21:08 |
| Unit193 | No xscreensaver rec, he finds upstream's attitude very distasteful. | 21:09 |
| brainwash | no screen locker at all then? or only light-locker? | 21:10 |
| Unit193 | Only light-locker. | 21:10 |
| brainwash | in that case ubuntu could make it light-locker | xscreensaver | 21:11 |
| Unit193 | Most certainly. | 21:11 |
| brainwash | okay | 21:12 |
| pleia2 | if there are no objections, I'm going to go ahead and do the free storage upgrade on xubuntu-dev | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | still need to do the 18.04 upgrade (it's 16.04 right now) but I'll need more time for that and should coordinate it so knome can have a look at everything after ;) | 22:55 |
| Unit193 | Coolio, sounds great. | 22:56 |
| Unit193 | Let me know if there's anything I can help with. | 22:58 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 22:58 |
| pleia2 | ok, server is migrating now, they say it'll be down for 45 minutes or so | 23:00 |
| pleia2 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | /dev/root 48G 9.0G 36G 21% / | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | and now | 23:12 |
| pleia2 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 23:12 |
| pleia2 | /dev/root 79G 9.0G 66G 13% / | 23:12 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 23:12 |
| pleia2 | 45 minutes was conservative ;) it's done | 23:12 |
| Unit193 | Yeah they tend to over estimate. | 23:13 |
| pleia2 | yeah, my personal one took longer than this one because it had a lot more data, but even that didn't take 45 minutes | 23:14 |
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